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The Living Soldering Thread
« on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 21:46:12 »
Big thanks to jdcarpe for the initial help

I'm making this as a repository/dump for basic soldering advice with the influx of custom boards (gh60, phantom r2, kmac 2/happy, gh60++) for those of us interested in trying our hand at doing this ourselves.

I plan on keeping this fairly up-to-date with people's suggestions, tips and tricks but here's at least a basic shopping list to start.

Recommended for good soldering:
Soldering stuff store - http://sra-solder.com/

Soldering wick - http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=341-550

Soldering flux

Kester 44 .032 diameter solder(.020 for SMD) -
63/37 - http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=370-074
.020 - http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=370-072

Solder spool holder - http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=370-345

Helping Hands soldering too - http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=360-670

Magnifying lamp (I say requirement, but really you can get away without this, but anything to reduce eye strain is a good) - http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200514197_200514197

Jeweler's Visor - http://www.amazon.com/Jewelers-Lighted-High-Power-Magnifier-Visor/dp/B005VR19ES/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388723286&sr=8-1&keywords=jeweler%27s+glasses

Multimeter - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA04E0BA8503&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-_-pla-_-Electrical+Testers-_-9SIA04E0BA8503

Solder Smoke Absorber - http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=370-358

Heat gun - http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=360-386

Budget (sub-$50):
Edsyn CL1481 kit (includes tips/tools/soldapullt) - http://www.edsyn.com/index.php?Mode=piw&pn=CL1481-K
NOTE - mkawa will be making a better version of this kit with more robust stuff through the geekhackers store, but it won't be anywhere close to this bargan basement pricing

Mid-range (sub $100):
Soldering
Hakko FX888D- http://www.ebay.com/itm/170990362664?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 OR

Desoldering -
Edsyn soldapullt III - http://www.edsyn.com/index.php?Mode=piw&pn=DS017 OR
Universal soldapullt - http://www.edsyn.com/index.php?Mode=piw&pn=US140

Baller (the rest):
Soldering
Edsyn 951SX - http://www.edsyn.com/index.php?Mode=piw&pn=951SX
Edsyn 2020 (what I use for work) - http://www.edsyn.com/index.php?Mode=piw&pn=2020

Desoldering -
Hakko FX808 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/380086641353?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 21:55:24 »
Tip tinner.  Need that tip tinner.
Also let me put in my vote for the fantastic, all American Weller WES51

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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 21:57:01 »
Something I've been wondering is what replacement tips should I get for the Hakko FX-888?

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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 21:58:35 »
Something I've been wondering is what replacement tips should I get for the Hakko FX-888?

Any tool worth anything should come with a manual that lists proper replacement part numbers.  If you don't have it, try Hakko's website.

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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 22:00:14 »
Both suggestions added to appropriate sections.

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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 22:07:02 »
Need to add flux. That stuff works magic

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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 22:17:49 »
For the people completely new to soldering...
A quick tip that I learned real early in class, but a bit after I first began soldering:

Don't just heat up the solder enough to melt it and then touch it to the metal hoping it will stick - it will stick, but you will likely get a cold solder joint.  You should ideally heat up the component enough to make the solder melt when you touch the solder to the metal.  This will give a nice looking solder joint.

Take this with a grain of salt when soldering PCBs (which is what you'll be doing when soldering switches).  If you overheat the metal pad it can spread heat to the board and cause warping or melting.  There's a sweet spot of heat to apply and it may take some time and practice to get good at this.
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The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 22:30:35 »
I'll be monitoring this thread :) thanks for the info
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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 22:44:30 »
Not a fan of soldering wick, I like suckers more.

The best:
http://www.amazon.com/Edsyn-Deluxe-Soldapullt-DS017LS-Static-Safe/dp/B0019V5HRA/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1366945331&sr=8-17&keywords=solder+sucker

I have, literally, two different soldapullts in the mid tier.  Sure, neither are the ESD safe ones, but still :P

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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 23:02:39 »
Cheap solder wick is like cheap hookers, they look nice until they don't suck. Nice wick is VERY good at sufficient temperatures. I prefer it to a sucker, but you can't just wash a roll of wick out like you can a solder sucker

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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 23:05:31 »
Cheap solder wick is like cheap hookers, they look nice until they don't suck. Nice wick is VERY good at sufficient temperatures. I prefer it to a sucker, but you can't just wash a roll of wick out like you can a solder sucker

Man, you love that joke :p

Not a fan of soldering wick, I like suckers more.

The best:
http://www.amazon.com/Edsyn-Deluxe-Soldapullt-DS017LS-Static-Safe/dp/B0019V5HRA/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1366945331&sr=8-17&keywords=solder+sucker

Agreed, and I just ordered this one yesterday :D


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Re: Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 23:08:52 »
Cheap solder wick is like cheap hookers, they look nice until they don't suck. Nice wick is VERY good at sufficient temperatures. I prefer it to a sucker, but you can't just wash a roll of wick out like you can a solder sucker

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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 23:10:56 »
I don't know if I'd consider the Aoyue 'baller'..  Nice list otherwise though :)

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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 23:32:39 »
I don't know if I'd consider the Aoyue 'baller'..  Nice list otherwise though :)

It was an easy descriptor of price.  Is it worthwhile?

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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 23:36:22 »
cheap hookers, they look nice until they don't suck.
Something tells me you're not too aware of how hookers work...
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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 25 April 2013, 23:38:55 »
I don't know if I'd consider the Aoyue 'baller'..  Nice list otherwise though :)

It was an easy descriptor of price.  Is it worthwhile?

I've used that model specifically not too long ago. I feel that the weller wes51 performs much better. The the 968 is actually a budget/entry level setup for rework stations.
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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 26 April 2013, 00:59:23 »
I don't know if I'd consider the Aoyue 'baller'..  Nice list otherwise though :)

It was an easy descriptor of price.  Is it worthwhile?

I've used that model specifically not too long ago. I feel that the weller wes51 performs much better. The the 968 is actually a budget/entry level setup for rework stations.

Would you say that a rework station would be a good idea for those that want to do light SMD stuff plus other soldering or should that be left to more experienced people?

(I'm asking these questions in as much as to get them out for people to read as anything.)

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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 26 April 2013, 01:06:18 »
Aoyue in general is well priced for what it offers, but it's not really a high end brand, especially that model you linked. I have a Aoyue rework station, but a higher end one. A hakko or weller with similar features would be in the thousand $ range.

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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 26 April 2013, 01:14:57 »
I would pick eutectic solder instead. I might include flux in that list as well, and I would move most of what you have put under required to recommended.

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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 26 April 2013, 01:20:13 »
I would pick eutectic solder instead. I might include flux in that list as well, and I would move most of what you have put under required to recommended.

Flux added and header changed to recommended.

Aoyue in general is well priced for what it offers, but it's not really a high end brand, especially that model you linked. I have a Aoyue rework station, but a higher end one. A hakko or weller with similar features would be in the thousand $ range.

That's fair, and like I said (and could stand to be more clear in OP, admittedly) the baller tag was solely for the amount of money more than anything else.

Again, though, is a rework station too much for a typical geekhacker?

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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 26 April 2013, 02:02:22 »
Yeah, rework station is overkill for keyboards. Hot air is great and all, but there are not a lot of opportunities to use it for keyboards. You won't be able to solder or desolder with hot air when switches are around, because they'll melt. There are not many cases where you're forced to do SMD soldering, and even if you are, you can do it perfectly fine with just an iron. The only thing you really need for good soldering is ~$40 variable temp iron, rosin-core solder, and a sponge. Add in a solder sucker or desoldering iron if you ever desolder switches. Separate flux is highly recommeded, but everything else is just accessories (helping hands, magnifying glass, spool holder, etc).

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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 26 April 2013, 07:46:47 »
I agree. I seldom use a spool holder as well as a magnifying glass, but they're nice to have when needed.

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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 26 April 2013, 08:07:33 »
One of these tip cleaners is much better than a sponge, IMHO
http://www.amazon.com/Hakko-Cleaner-599B-02-Non-Corrosive-Needed/dp/B000PDQORU
I would never use a sponge on my nice fine tips.

Also, that reminds me, you need very small soldering tips for SMD work, get good ones.  Also always chisel or screwdriver tip.

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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 26 April 2013, 10:15:09 »
Surprised no one has suggested the Hakko 808 Desoldering Kit. Probably overkill for most folks, but I think it could be listed as "baller".  :p
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FWIW, that 808 is used at Mechanical Keyboards
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« Reply #26 on: Fri, 26 April 2013, 10:22:47 »
I did suggest it! :P

It's not overkill. It's the best time saver if you do much desoldering.
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« Reply #27 on: Fri, 26 April 2013, 10:50:37 »
As another desoldering option I like the spring-loaded plunger style vs the blub. But it's probably all what you get used too.

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Re: The Living Soldering Thread
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 26 April 2013, 10:51:32 »
For first time solders I suggest an old alarm clock or VCR or some similar product that will have lots of through hole components. You will have the opportunity to rip something apart, as well as learn to desolder, and resolder if you're ambitious. Better to screw over a VCR than a $100+ keyboard.

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« Reply #29 on: Fri, 26 April 2013, 11:01:54 »
If you want to buy an Edsyn Soldapullt for desoldering, please buy it direct from Edsyn. Their customer service phone number is 818-989-2324. Their customer service reps are very friendly, knowledgeable, and helpful. They will also usually quote you a lower price than what is listed on their web site (www.edsyn.com). The DS017 is the one I bought from them.

I have a hunch that some of the "Soldapullt" tools sold by Techni Tool through Amazon are knockoffs. Also, I know Amazon is convenient, but they are evil. Don't buy from Amazon, buy direct!
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