fake clack discussion

[Aidenknives]

You guys do know they will all sell today right? Between Reddit and the awareness being spread about them in general...

Guess not

yeah, guess not many other people care about clickclacks outside of geekhack

The amount sold is double digits if that means anything to you..

[Puddsy]

2/3 sold out in under 2 hours, and the 3rd color is sold out now.

In both MX and Topre.

CC knows, he's just INCREDIBLY busy right now. He'll get to it when he gets to it.

[Aidenknives]

2/3 sold out in under 2 hours, and the 3rd color is sold out now.

In both MX and Topre.

CC knows, he's just INCREDIBLY busy right now. He'll get to it when he gets to it.

Get to what?

[argcargv]

The amount sold is double digits if that means anything to you..

and how many people are on r/MK ?

[Aidenknives]

The amount sold is double digits if that means anything to you..

and how many people are on r/MK ?

What does that have to do with anything? Here - http://i.imgur.com/gBanli8.png

[dustinhxc]

2/3 sold out in under 2 hours, and the 3rd color is sold out now.

In both MX and Topre.

CC knows, he's just INCREDIBLY busy right now. He'll get to it when he gets to it.

Get to what?

Some analysis:

The site is built with wordpress with some kind of shopping addon theme, and the entire site's URL structures follows the so called RESTful API structure. basically means that the urls are "pretty" and so can be "guessed", so you can access pages directly through url if you guessed it correctly(this is not "safe" but makes developing for mobile and web browser at the same time easier because both platforms can essentially just make the same API requests.), for example if you want to access their shop just do baseurl/shop, the url structure behaves very good and it is very easy to guess what pages should have what url.

I think the fake clack maker is not very good with computer so they chose some wordpress shopping theme that could not handle time sensitive sales. For example just by guessing the URL, some users were able to access some restricted pages that should not have been turned on to begin with.

I did some digging through the URL structure, even before the sale, it was apparent that some users realized that they could access pages that's not supposed to be turned on: http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2ev30u/upcoming_keycap_sale/ck3y5i3

But the most interesting part of the website is the "news" sectioned. It is completely native wordpress. You can even register with the wordpress blog backend. Meaning that the fake clack makers either are amateurs or rushed their website job, that they forgot to turn off wordpress's native registration... If you've used wordpress extensively before, you know this means that you might be able to see the backend of the website... So I registered an account and what do I see? Their complete shop statistics on how many purchases there were.

SO, if you are wondering how much this did sell? Go to their news section and register an account with them.
For science. I'm not going to list the exact numbers, go see for yourself. But the number of orders and the total sales(dollar amount I assume) checks out to be about 2 fake clacks per order on average.

haha, yes I noticed that too..  One could say.. Boot linux.. annnd run WPScan.. orrr you know.. 

[Aidenknives]

2/3 sold out in under 2 hours, and the 3rd color is sold out now.

In both MX and Topre.

CC knows, he's just INCREDIBLY busy right now. He'll get to it when he gets to it.

Get to what?

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Some analysis:

The site is built with wordpress with some kind of shopping addon theme, and the entire site's URL structures follows the so called RESTful API structure. basically means that the urls are "pretty" and so can be "guessed", so you can access pages directly through url if you guessed it correctly(this is not "safe" but makes developing for mobile and web browser at the same time easier because both platforms can essentially just make the same API requests.), for example if you want to access their shop just do baseurl/shop, the url structure behaves very good and it is very easy to guess what pages should have what url.

I think the fake clack maker is not very good with computer so they chose some wordpress shopping theme that could not handle time sensitive sales. For example just by guessing the URL, some users were able to access some restricted pages that should not have been turned on to begin with.

I did some digging through the URL structure, even before the sale, it was apparent that some users realized that they could access pages that's not supposed to be turned on: http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2ev30u/upcoming_keycap_sale/ck3y5i3

But the most interesting part of the website is the "news" sectioned. It is completely native wordpress. You can even register with the wordpress blog backend. Meaning that the fake clack makers either are amateurs or rushed their website job, that they forgot to turn off wordpress's native registration... If you've used wordpress extensively before, you know this means that you might be able to see the backend of the website... So I registered an account and what do I see? Their complete shop statistics on how many purchases there were.

SO, if you are wondering how much this did sell? Go to their news section and register an account with them.
For science. I'm not going to list the exact numbers, go see for yourself. But the number of orders and the total sales(dollar amount I assume) checks out to be about 2 fake clacks per order on average.

haha, yes I noticed that too..  One could say.. Boot linux.. annnd run WPScan.. orrr you know..  ;)

Lol nothing will happen.

[dustinhxc]

2/3 sold out in under 2 hours, and the 3rd color is sold out now.

In both MX and Topre.

CC knows, he's just INCREDIBLY busy right now. He'll get to it when he gets to it.

Get to what?

Show Image

Some analysis:

The site is built with wordpress with some kind of shopping addon theme, and the entire site's URL structures follows the so called RESTful API structure. basically means that the urls are "pretty" and so can be "guessed", so you can access pages directly through url if you guessed it correctly(this is not "safe" but makes developing for mobile and web browser at the same time easier because both platforms can essentially just make the same API requests.), for example if you want to access their shop just do baseurl/shop, the url structure behaves very good and it is very easy to guess what pages should have what url.

I think the fake clack maker is not very good with computer so they chose some wordpress shopping theme that could not handle time sensitive sales. For example just by guessing the URL, some users were able to access some restricted pages that should not have been turned on to begin with.

I did some digging through the URL structure, even before the sale, it was apparent that some users realized that they could access pages that's not supposed to be turned on: http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2ev30u/upcoming_keycap_sale/ck3y5i3

But the most interesting part of the website is the "news" sectioned. It is completely native wordpress. You can even register with the wordpress blog backend. Meaning that the fake clack makers either are amateurs or rushed their website job, that they forgot to turn off wordpress's native registration... If you've used wordpress extensively before, you know this means that you might be able to see the backend of the website... So I registered an account and what do I see? Their complete shop statistics on how many purchases there were.

SO, if you are wondering how much this did sell? Go to their news section and register an account with them.
For science. I'm not going to list the exact numbers, go see for yourself. But the number of orders and the total sales(dollar amount I assume) checks out to be about 2 fake clacks per order on average.

haha, yes I noticed that too..  One could say.. Boot linux.. annnd run WPScan.. orrr you know..  ;)

Lol nothing will happen.

Awe dang really?  ^-^  I didnt think he was that secure. But I dont know much about that.

[Aidenknives]

Said it before and I will say it again. The caps themselves don't claim to be anything they aren't. They are obviously Clack knock offs. There are knock offs of everything with value in this world. The problem comes when a PERSON tries to sell them for prices correlating to the inflated value of the AUTHENTIC item. CF can't actually do anything other than spread awareness.

[Tym]

I pinged his site.

It didn't do very much.

Unfortunately thats my limit as a hacker  )

[dustinhxc]

Said it before and I will say it again. The caps themselves don't claim to be anything they aren't. They are obviously Clack knock offs. There are knock offs of everything with value in this world. The problem comes when a PERSON tries to sell them for prices correlating to the inflated value of the AUTHENTIC item. CF can't actually do anything other than spread awareness.

This would be a very bad scenario for sure.

I pinged his site.

It didn't do very much.

Unfortunately thats my limit as a hacker  )

Cool, good shot mate! 

[Aidenknives]

I pinged his site.

It didn't do very much.

Unfortunately thats my limit as a hacker  )

People actually trying to hack his site? With what to gain?

[Tym]

People actually trying to hack his site? With what to gain?

T'is a joke.

[Aidenknives]

People actually trying to hack his site? With what to gain?

T'is a joke.

I kind of meant like what if they were lol.

[dustinhxc]

People actually trying to hack his site? With what to gain?

T'is a joke.

I kind of meant like what if they were lol.

Id put a Rick Rolld video.

[Aidenknives]

People actually trying to hack his site? With what to gain?

T'is a joke.

I kind of meant like what if they were lol.

Id put a Rick Rolld video.

Not just any rick roll... A 10 hour long rick roll

[nubbinator]

Said it before and I will say it again. The caps themselves don't claim to be anything they aren't. They are obviously Clack knock offs. There are knock offs of everything with value in this world. The problem comes when a PERSON tries to sell them for prices correlating to the inflated value of the AUTHENTIC item. CF can't actually do anything other than spread awareness.

Except it is his IP, his copyrighted material.  He has every right to assert his IP since counterfeits devalue his brand.

[tjcaustin]

Said it before and I will say it again. The caps themselves don't claim to be anything they aren't. They are obviously Clack knock offs. There are knock offs of everything with value in this world. The problem comes when a PERSON tries to sell them for prices correlating to the inflated value of the AUTHENTIC item. CF can't actually do anything other than spread awareness.

Except it is his IP, his copyrighted material.  He has every right to asset his IP since counterfeits devalue his brand.

And if he doesn't defend it, he can lose it.

[Aidenknives]

Said it before and I will say it again. The caps themselves don't claim to be anything they aren't. They are obviously Clack knock offs. There are knock offs of everything with value in this world. The problem comes when a PERSON tries to sell them for prices correlating to the inflated value of the AUTHENTIC item. CF can't actually do anything other than spread awareness.

Except it is his IP, his copyrighted material.  He has every right to asset his IP since counterfeits devalue his brand.

I don't think anyone sees that happening... People are paying out the ass for clacks and unless everyone decides they finally don't give a **** about novelty keycaps, it will probably stay that way.

[nubbinator]

Said it before and I will say it again. The caps themselves don't claim to be anything they aren't. They are obviously Clack knock offs. There are knock offs of everything with value in this world. The problem comes when a PERSON tries to sell them for prices correlating to the inflated value of the AUTHENTIC item. CF can't actually do anything other than spread awareness.

Except it is his IP, his copyrighted material.  He has every right to asset his IP since counterfeits devalue his brand.

I don't think anyone sees that happening... People are paying out the ass for clacks and unless everyone decides they finally don't give a **** about novelty keycaps, it will probably stay that way.

I still fail to see how that's a justification for counterfeiting.  If you want to make some money on caps, don't be an ******* and counterfeit someone else's work, make your own designs to sell.  End of story. 

I really don't get how you can keep defending and justifying counterfeiting.

[Aidenknives]

Said it before and I will say it again. The caps themselves don't claim to be anything they aren't. They are obviously Clack knock offs. There are knock offs of everything with value in this world. The problem comes when a PERSON tries to sell them for prices correlating to the inflated value of the AUTHENTIC item. CF can't actually do anything other than spread awareness.

Except it is his IP, his copyrighted material.  He has every right to asset his IP since counterfeits devalue his brand.

I don't think anyone sees that happening... People are paying out the ass for clacks and unless everyone decides they finally don't give a **** about novelty keycaps, it will probably stay that way.

I still fail to see how that's a justification for counterfeiting.  If you want to make some money on caps, don't be an ******* and counterfeit someone else's work, make your own designs to sell.  End of story. 

I really don't get how you can keep defending and justifying counterfeiting.

Not defending. If you were more incisive you could see that I am facing the reality that it's not going anywhere.

[demik]

some real commie **** going down

[argcargv]

Maybe Click Clack should do a basic mass produced version, that everybody can get.

Then continue with his limited editions from time to time.

Like what Nike does with it's Air Force one sneakers.
You can get a regular white AF1 anytime you want, but the limited edition ones are hard to get.

[Puddsy]

considering the man barely has enough time to make what he does now, I doubt that'll happen

good idea tho

[Aidenknives]

Maybe Click Clack should do a basic mass produced version, that everybody can get.

Then continue with his limited editions from time to time.

Like what Nike does with it's Air Force one sneakers.
You can get a regular white AF1 anytime you want, but the limited edition ones are hard to get.

This would be the most effective way to get rid of copycats. But yeah don't think we are gonna be that lucky.

[argcargv]

considering the man barely has enough time to make what he does now, I doubt that'll happen

good idea tho

Collaborate with someone who has the means to make a mass produced version? Maybe another cap maker? crossovers? clacks X brobots? 

[eth0s]

considering the man barely has enough time to make what he does now, I doubt that'll happen

good idea tho

Collaborate with someone who has the means to make a mass produced version? Maybe another cap maker? crossovers? clacks X brobots? 

What if CC made miniature clacks?  Then everybody could have like 10, instead of 1.  Like mini-donuts.

[nubbinator]

considering the man barely has enough time to make what he does now, I doubt that'll happen

good idea tho

Collaborate with someone who has the means to make a mass produced version? Maybe another cap maker? crossovers? clacks X brobots? 

What if CC made miniature clacks?  Then everybody could have like 10, instead of 1.  Like mini-donuts.

Then I could have Clacks on Clacks on Stacks. 

[rowdy]

considering the man barely has enough time to make what he does now, I doubt that'll happen

good idea tho

Collaborate with someone who has the means to make a mass produced version? Maybe another cap maker? crossovers? clacks X brobots? 

What if CC made miniature clacks?  Then everybody could have like 10, instead of 1.  Like mini-donuts.

Someone would have to start making miniature keyboards for them to go on.

[dustinhxc]

considering the man barely has enough time to make what he does now, I doubt that'll happen

good idea tho

Collaborate with someone who has the means to make a mass produced version? Maybe another cap maker? crossovers? clacks X brobots? 

What if CC made miniature clacks?  Then everybody could have like 10, instead of 1.  Like mini-donuts.

Someone would have to start making miniature keyboards for them to go on.

considering the man barely has enough time to make what he does now, I doubt that'll happen

good idea tho

Collaborate with someone who has the means to make a mass produced version? Maybe another cap maker? crossovers? clacks X brobots? 

What if CC made miniature clacks?  Then everybody could have like 10, instead of 1.  Like mini-donuts.

considering the man barely has enough time to make what he does now, I doubt that'll happen

good idea tho

Collaborate with someone who has the means to make a mass produced version? Maybe another cap maker? crossovers? clacks X brobots? 

What if CC made miniature clacks?  Then everybody could have like 10, instead of 1.  Like mini-donuts.

Then I could have Clacks on Clacks on Stacks. 

hahahaha

[heedpantsnow]

So looks like the fake ones didn't properly copy the bottoms. I copied my bottom from time to time in grade school. The Sunday school teachers went crazy. Kindof like everyone is going crazy now. It's amazing how things come full circle. ;-)

[argcargv]

Like this by bunnylake but smaller?

[limitz]

So looks like the fake ones didn't properly copy the bottoms. I copied my bottom from time to time in grade school. The Sunday school teachers went crazy. Kindof like everyone is going crazy now. It's amazing how things come full circle. ;-)

It's not that he didn't properly copy the bottom, it's that he's not selling them as fake Click Clacks... but a ripoff... if that makes any sense. Him not copying the bottom was conscious decision.

[HipsterPunks]

So looks like the fake ones didn't properly copy the bottoms. I copied my bottom from time to time in grade school. The Sunday school teachers went crazy. Kindof like everyone is going crazy now. It's amazing how things come full circle. ;-)

It's not that he didn't properly copy the bottom, it's that he's not selling them as fake Click Clacks... but a ripoff... if that makes any sense. Him not copying the bottom was conscious decision.

I dont believe for a minute that the altered bottoms were the only ones released. Who knows how many unaltered bottoms he released before pulling this stunt. Remember that "genuine" clack with just the eyes painted that was in classifieds recently? Heres a photo before a huge chunk of resin was removed off the front. Atleast CC has perfected his materials and colors, these fakes will stick out like a sore thumb.

[nubbinator]

Do you have more information on that cap Hipster?  You've really piqued my curiosity now.  If that one is a fake, it means that fakes could have been being made for longer than we thought.

[Halverson]

So looks like the fake ones didn't properly copy the bottoms. I copied my bottom from time to time in grade school. The Sunday school teachers went crazy. Kindof like everyone is going crazy now. It's amazing how things come full circle. ;-)

It's not that he didn't properly copy the bottom, it's that he's not selling them as fake Click Clacks... but a ripoff... if that makes any sense. Him not copying the bottom was conscious decision.

I dont believe for a minute that the altered bottoms were the only ones released. Who knows how many unaltered bottoms he released before pulling this stunt. Remember that "genuine" clack with just the eyes painted that was in classifieds recently? Heres a photo before a huge chunk of resin was removed off the front. Atleast CC has perfected his materials and colors, these fakes will stick out like a sore thumb.

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Wasn't that just marker in the eyes? The resin on the front looks like it could have been scraped on something as well, like a hang nail.

[dustinhxc]

So looks like the fake ones didn't properly copy the bottoms. I copied my bottom from time to time in grade school. The Sunday school teachers went crazy. Kindof like everyone is going crazy now. It's amazing how things come full circle. ;-)

It's not that he didn't properly copy the bottom, it's that he's not selling them as fake Click Clacks... but a ripoff... if that makes any sense. Him not copying the bottom was conscious decision.

I dont believe for a minute that the altered bottoms were the only ones released. Who knows how many unaltered bottoms he released before pulling this stunt. Remember that "genuine" clack with just the eyes painted that was in classifieds recently? Heres a photo before a huge chunk of resin was removed off the front. Atleast CC has perfected his materials and colors, these fakes will stick out like a sore thumb.

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Maybe thats his fake oktoberfest too.. I hope for the love of god he doesnt copy candy corns.. >.< The one cap I get that I know is real.

[naasfu]

So looks like the fake ones didn't properly copy the bottoms. I copied my bottom from time to time in grade school. The Sunday school teachers went crazy. Kindof like everyone is going crazy now. It's amazing how things come full circle. ;-)

It's not that he didn't properly copy the bottom, it's that he's not selling them as fake Click Clacks... but a ripoff... if that makes any sense. Him not copying the bottom was conscious decision.

I dont believe for a minute that the altered bottoms were the only ones released. Who knows how many unaltered bottoms he released before pulling this stunt. Remember that "genuine" clack with just the eyes painted that was in classifieds recently? Heres a photo before a huge chunk of resin was removed off the front. Atleast CC has perfected his materials and colors, these fakes will stick out like a sore thumb.

Show Image

Wasn't that just marker in the eyes? The resin on the front looks like it could have been scraped on something as well, like a hang nail.

I thought this was just a badly abused hardcore white?

And it was scraped against something rough like Dustin's sidewalk, haha.

Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkk.   *shudder*

[Halverson]

So looks like the fake ones didn't properly copy the bottoms. I copied my bottom from time to time in grade school. The Sunday school teachers went crazy. Kindof like everyone is going crazy now. It's amazing how things come full circle. ;-)

It's not that he didn't properly copy the bottom, it's that he's not selling them as fake Click Clacks... but a ripoff... if that makes any sense. Him not copying the bottom was conscious decision.

I dont believe for a minute that the altered bottoms were the only ones released. Who knows how many unaltered bottoms he released before pulling this stunt. Remember that "genuine" clack with just the eyes painted that was in classifieds recently? Heres a photo before a huge chunk of resin was removed off the front. Atleast CC has perfected his materials and colors, these fakes will stick out like a sore thumb.

Show Image

Wasn't that just marker in the eyes? The resin on the front looks like it could have been scraped on something as well, like a hang nail.

I thought this was just a badly abused hardcore white?

And it was scraped against something rough like Dustin's sidewalk, haha.

Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkk.   *shudder*

Haha Dustin was distracted by that sexy lady again!

[dustinhxc]

So looks like the fake ones didn't properly copy the bottoms. I copied my bottom from time to time in grade school. The Sunday school teachers went crazy. Kindof like everyone is going crazy now. It's amazing how things come full circle. ;-)

It's not that he didn't properly copy the bottom, it's that he's not selling them as fake Click Clacks... but a ripoff... if that makes any sense. Him not copying the bottom was conscious decision.

I dont believe for a minute that the altered bottoms were the only ones released. Who knows how many unaltered bottoms he released before pulling this stunt. Remember that "genuine" clack with just the eyes painted that was in classifieds recently? Heres a photo before a huge chunk of resin was removed off the front. Atleast CC has perfected his materials and colors, these fakes will stick out like a sore thumb.

Show Image

Wasn't that just marker in the eyes? The resin on the front looks like it could have been scraped on something as well, like a hang nail.

I thought this was just a badly abused hardcore white?

And it was scraped against something rough like Dustin's sidewalk, haha.

Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkk.   *shudder*

So looks like the fake ones didn't properly copy the bottoms. I copied my bottom from time to time in grade school. The Sunday school teachers went crazy. Kindof like everyone is going crazy now. It's amazing how things come full circle. ;-)

It's not that he didn't properly copy the bottom, it's that he's not selling them as fake Click Clacks... but a ripoff... if that makes any sense. Him not copying the bottom was conscious decision.

I dont believe for a minute that the altered bottoms were the only ones released. Who knows how many unaltered bottoms he released before pulling this stunt. Remember that "genuine" clack with just the eyes painted that was in classifieds recently? Heres a photo before a huge chunk of resin was removed off the front. Atleast CC has perfected his materials and colors, these fakes will stick out like a sore thumb.

Show Image

Wasn't that just marker in the eyes? The resin on the front looks like it could have been scraped on something as well, like a hang nail.

I thought this was just a badly abused hardcore white?

And it was scraped against something rough like Dustin's sidewalk, haha.

Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkk.   *shudder*

Haha Dustin was distracted by that sexy lady again!

 ) Oh man.. Yall make me want to bring my Tekmat outside! hehe 

[Halverson]

So looks like the fake ones didn't properly copy the bottoms. I copied my bottom from time to time in grade school. The Sunday school teachers went crazy. Kindof like everyone is going crazy now. It's amazing how things come full circle. ;-)

It's not that he didn't properly copy the bottom, it's that he's not selling them as fake Click Clacks... but a ripoff... if that makes any sense. Him not copying the bottom was conscious decision.

I dont believe for a minute that the altered bottoms were the only ones released. Who knows how many unaltered bottoms he released before pulling this stunt. Remember that "genuine" clack with just the eyes painted that was in classifieds recently? Heres a photo before a huge chunk of resin was removed off the front. Atleast CC has perfected his materials and colors, these fakes will stick out like a sore thumb.

Show Image

Wasn't that just marker in the eyes? The resin on the front looks like it could have been scraped on something as well, like a hang nail.

I thought this was just a badly abused hardcore white?

And it was scraped against something rough like Dustin's sidewalk, haha.

Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkk.   *shudder*

So looks like the fake ones didn't properly copy the bottoms. I copied my bottom from time to time in grade school. The Sunday school teachers went crazy. Kindof like everyone is going crazy now. It's amazing how things come full circle. ;-)

It's not that he didn't properly copy the bottom, it's that he's not selling them as fake Click Clacks... but a ripoff... if that makes any sense. Him not copying the bottom was conscious decision.

I dont believe for a minute that the altered bottoms were the only ones released. Who knows how many unaltered bottoms he released before pulling this stunt. Remember that "genuine" clack with just the eyes painted that was in classifieds recently? Heres a photo before a huge chunk of resin was removed off the front. Atleast CC has perfected his materials and colors, these fakes will stick out like a sore thumb.

Show Image

Wasn't that just marker in the eyes? The resin on the front looks like it could have been scraped on something as well, like a hang nail.

I thought this was just a badly abused hardcore white?

And it was scraped against something rough like Dustin's sidewalk, haha.

Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkk.   *shudder*

Haha Dustin was distracted by that sexy lady again!

 ) Oh man.. Yall make me want to bring my Tekmat outside! hehe 

Lol. When I'm home I'll take some cringeworthy cap shots

[Belfong]

Scary thoughts. I hope what hipster said is not true. I begin to wonder how genuine my collection is!

[Puddsy]

If you think 100% accurate clones don't exist, I've got bad news for you.

It's almost impossible that anyone here owns one though. Less than 5 were made, and I think they were all thrown out.

[dustinhxc]

If you think 100% accurate clones don't exist, I've got bad news for you.

It's almost impossible that anyone here owns one though. Less than 5 were made, and I think they were all thrown out.

Clack was sent all of them right? Except the ones on kbdmania

[Puddsy]

these are different

but CC was sent all of drugER's yes

i really can't say much, i don't know much more than what i posted

[strict]

I find it hard to believe drugER would have produced only 5 "proper clones" ... 

[Puddsy]

not drugER

im still investigating

so keep it cool for now

[lightsout714]

not drugER

im still investigating

so keep it cool for now

TS is on the case.

[Signature]

not drugER

im still investigating

so keep it cool for now

TS is on the case.

Also known as "TS le reddit detective"

Fixed! ty nub *tips fedora*

[ApocalypseMaow]

not drugER

im still investigating

so keep it cool for now

TS is on the case.

Also known as "TS the reddit detective"

Always looking for the scoop...