Where is WFD – part III

[Latin00032]

Welcome back, WFD.

Sounds like you been through allot.

It's good to see you are somewhat ok.

[quochung1989]

Waiting your action

[lightsout714]

Welcome back hope things get back to normal for you. I also lost a love one recently, my condolences.

[Keytrun]

I don't buy it. Not to stir the pot but if you were able to post on those other forums and buy stuff then you should have been able to at least reply to the person(s) here who's stuff you've had for a ridiculous amount of time. To me this all looks like a way to buy time / temporarily save face. Whether you've had a tough time or not doesn't excuse you from your responsibilities. Do you think if you stopped paying rent your landlord wouldn't kick you out just because you've had some issues? I would honestly be surprised if this pasph guy ever gets his stuff back.

This is what I propose in the mean time. You put all of his stuff on top of a recent newspaper (where the date is visible) and take pictures. If you can't fit it all in one picture then take multiple ones, but they should be on the newspaper. That way he can verify that you still actually have his belongings and haven't sold them. Also, I think its pretty crappy of you to respond to his message with "You're calling me a scammer now huh?" when you've had some of his stuff for nearly two years now, as well as decided to disappear for nearly half a year. There is literally no other reasonable conclusion anyone would draw given the circumstances, especially given the fact that you've been spotted in other sites.

I'm not super well versed in the legal repercussions of all of this, but my best friend is an IP lawyer. If you don't post the pictures here in the next week I would advise pasph to take legal action. I'm sure someone on this forum has your contact information. If you do post the pictures but don't send him the stuff back I would, again, advise pasph to take legal action. I'll communicate with pasph, as well as my friend and try to get it all coordinated. I can assume that pasph has sent you money based on the fact that he's asking for a refund. If you took his money / property without delivering goods or services then its theft. Pasph, if you used paypal to pay him I would recommend preparing to contact them and try to get your money back. If paypal gives you the money back then they'll go after WhiteFire for the money that they lost. Likely putting him into collections or contracting an attorney's office to deal with it. I'm not sure exactly how everything transpired, but if you could message me with all of the specifics I can relay it to my lawyer friend and provide you with the best actionable advice going forward - again assuming that you aren't provided with a) proof he still has your belongings, b) a refund or c) your stuff.

If there's anyone else who is interested in what I've said you are more than welcome to send me a PM with your specifics. I am in no way guaranteeing that you will ever get your stuff back, or see a dime for that matter but I will see what I can do to help you out. I have had a few family friends who got screwed online before and I was able to get them their money back. Hopefully WhiteFireDragon still has all of your stuff and will send it all out as soon as possible. Then this whole thing can be avoided. Though, I don't really have much faith in him given the fact that he still hasn't posted.

[Beca]

With all of these posts and disappearances, I can never understand how you can be so busy as to not take minutes to send a quick message to a person like pasph, who has clearly been much more patient with WFD than I would ever be.

[rowdy]

Perhaps some of you have not experienced a life-altering event.

I have - it was not pleasant.  For about a month I was totally consumed by something happening to me and my family which was completely unexpected and out of my control.

Only after things started to settle down could I even think about read threads here.

WFD sounds like he has had a few such things happening one after another - I hope his situation stabilises soon.

[Keytrun]

Perhaps some of you have not experienced a life-altering event.

I have - it was not pleasant.  For about a month I was totally consumed by something happening to me and my family which was completely unexpected and out of my control.

Only after things started to settle down could I even think about read threads here.

WFD sounds like he has had a few such things happening one after another - I hope his situation stabilises soon.

Were you posting about buying things on another fourm, but also unable to post to people here you had obligations to? It would be one thing if he disappeared entirely from the web but he didn't. Not only that but he had one of this guy's items for nearly 2 years. That's just too much.

[Beca]

Perhaps some of you have not experienced a life-altering event.

I have - it was not pleasant.  For about a month I was totally consumed by something happening to me and my family which was completely unexpected and out of my control.

Only after things started to settle down could I even think about read threads here.

WFD sounds like he has had a few such things happening one after another - I hope his situation stabilises soon.

I have experienced a life-altering event, and I understand we all have different ways of dealing with whatever real-life crisis we are going through, but I still feel like we should consider pasph's (and others) perspectives.

If pasph suffered his own financial crisis and needed  money just to feed himself or his family, what would happen then? You could say that he shouldn't have spent hundreds on keyboards, except it's been 2 years, and a lot can change in that period of time.

And I know you just want to offer another viewpoint rowdy, and I can empathize with WFD to a degree, but if I made a commitment that puts someone out of hundreds of dollars, I would take a few minutes out of my day to respond and let him know what I'm going through. I obviously don't know all the details of WFD's situation, so he may very well have been preoccupied 100% throughout these past few months. I just wanted to offer my own view on how his "victims" may feel.

[Broadmonkey]

I don't think you (keytrun) get what kind of responsibility and stress Geekhack has put on WFD. I know Geekhack did not do it, WFD did himself, but I can really understand that he did not want to have anything to do with geekhack once he had first started to neglect his responsibilities toward the forum and its userbase. Sure he could have replied to Pasph, but he represented GH, which in turn represented hundreds of unreplied PMs, group buy responsibilites, people that was angry with him and so on.
Stress can make your mind really ****ed up, even if there is just a hint of it.

[domoaligato]

I know first hand what it is like to juggle a job a family a life altering event and a forum like this. Everyone will handle it differently and honestly my internet presence comes last. FU If you can not understand that I got married then had my grandmother and grandfather die within 3 months and you may have not received the amount of attention you required during the dsa dolch bull****. Personal attacks are not allowed here. So Keytrun please stay out of the conversation when you have no idea wtf is going on.

[riotonthebay]

I know first hand what it is like to juggle a job a family a life altering event and a forum like this. Everyone will handle it differently and honestly my internet presence comes last. FU If you can not understand that I got married then had my grandmother and grandfather die within 3 months and you may have not received the amount of attention you required during the dsa dolch bull****. Personal attacks are not allowed here. So Keytrun please stay out of the conversation when you have no idea wtf is going on.

Domo, please re-read your comment and then re-read Keytrun's comment, and think about which one actually sounds like a personal attack. Being able to relate to someone's behavior does not excuse it. That's a fallacious argument. "We all make mistakes" is a fallacy as well.

I don't want to get into this though, so I'll leave further arguing to everyone else. I'm thankful that I had no property in WFD's hands, such that this doesn't affect me like it does others.

[domoaligato]

Keytrun starts his post with..."Not to stir the pot but"
This is like anchorman. With all do respect, go ! $#@ yourself.

[BunnyLake]

Personal attacks are not allowed here.

With all do respect, go ! $#@ yourself.

dont see why everything has to devolve into bickering, whatever way you swing it, what we all want here is for someone who was held in high regard to do the right thing here, some people will remember what a big part of the community wfd was, and some people have no idea, and because of that, opinions are gonna differ, but whoever anyone defends here, as i say, we all want the same thing

[domoaligato]

Personal attacks are not allowed here.

With all do respect, go ! $#@ yourself.

dont see why everything has to devolve into bickering, whatever way you swing it, what we all want here is for someone who was held in high regard to do the right thing here, some people will remember what a big part of the community wfd was, and some people have no idea, and because of that, opinions are gonna differ, but whoever anyone defends here, as i say, we all want the same thing

Thanks bunny. I was only trying to state that if you want to be taken seriously do not start your discussion like anchorman lol.

[domoaligato]

I know first hand what it is like to juggle a job a family a life altering event and a forum like this. Everyone will handle it differently and honestly my internet presence comes last. FU If you can not understand that I got married then had my grandmother and grandfather die within 3 months and you may have not received the amount of attention you required during the dsa dolch bull****. Personal attacks are not allowed here. So Keytrun please stay out of the conversation when you have no idea wtf is going on.

Domo, please re-read your comment and then re-read Keytrun's comment, and think about which one actually sounds like a personal attack. Being able to relate to someone's behavior does not excuse it. That's a fallacious argument. "We all make mistakes" is a fallacy as well.

I don't want to get into this though, so I'll leave further arguing to everyone else. I'm thankful that I had no property in WFD's hands, such that this doesn't affect me like it does others.

I meant this as a statement beyond the scope of this thread. Why are new members posting in threads that they have no involvement in? We have asshats posting in the gh60 thread asking when it will be done when they did not join the group buy. This is not a attack against keytrun. It is the idiots that post in groupbuys and other **** they are not involved in.

[domoaligato]

Edit: I hate tapatalk

[pasph]

Ok, he has sent me a PM stating he needs 1 or 2 weeks to sort and ship my stuff.
I've lost so much time chasing him through the internet that i can wait 2 weeks more.
Everyone knows his own (true or false) pains, for sure coming here to reply he exposed himself to the whole community,
I will let him think about this for this time waiting silently and i wish you could do the same.
So i will lock this thread for 2 weeks from now.
We'll see.

[pasph]

Unlocked upon WFD's request

[WhiteFireDragon]

I don't buy it. Not to stir the pot but if you were able to post on those other forums and buy stuff then you should have been able to at least reply to the person(s) here who's stuff you've had for a ridiculous amount of time. To me this all looks like a way to buy time / temporarily save face. Whether you've had a tough time or not doesn't excuse you from your responsibilities. Do you think if you stopped paying rent your landlord wouldn't kick you out just because you've had some issues? I would honestly be surprised if this pasph guy ever gets his stuff back.

This is what I propose in the mean time. You put all of his stuff on top of a recent newspaper (where the date is visible) and take pictures. If you can't fit it all in one picture then take multiple ones, but they should be on the newspaper. That way he can verify that you still actually have his belongings and haven't sold them. Also, I think its pretty crappy of you to respond to his message with "You're calling me a scammer now huh?" when you've had some of his stuff for nearly two years now, as well as decided to disappear for nearly half a year. There is literally no other reasonable conclusion anyone would draw given the circumstances, especially given the fact that you've been spotted in other sites.

I'm not super well versed in the legal repercussions of all of this, but my best friend is an IP lawyer. If you don't post the pictures here in the next week I would advise pasph to take legal action. I'm sure someone on this forum has your contact information. If you do post the pictures but don't send him the stuff back I would, again, advise pasph to take legal action. I'll communicate with pasph, as well as my friend and try to get it all coordinated. I can assume that pasph has sent you money based on the fact that he's asking for a refund. If you took his money / property without delivering goods or services then its theft. Pasph, if you used paypal to pay him I would recommend preparing to contact them and try to get your money back. If paypal gives you the money back then they'll go after WhiteFire for the money that they lost. Likely putting him into collections or contracting an attorney's office to deal with it. I'm not sure exactly how everything transpired, but if you could message me with all of the specifics I can relay it to my lawyer friend and provide you with the best actionable advice going forward - again assuming that you aren't provided with a) proof he still has your belongings, b) a refund or c) your stuff.

If there's anyone else who is interested in what I've said you are more than welcome to send me a PM with your specifics. I am in no way guaranteeing that you will ever get your stuff back, or see a dime for that matter but I will see what I can do to help you out. I have had a few family friends who got screwed online before and I was able to get them their money back. Hopefully WhiteFireDragon still has all of your stuff and will send it all out as soon as possible. Then this whole thing can be avoided. Though, I don't really have much faith in him given the fact that he still hasn't posted.

Keytrun, those are some pretty bold statements. Since you got me all figured out, can you tell me why I came back if I have the intentions to scam? It would be much easier for me to just run, so why would I need to buy time or save face?

Tell me why I must appease all YOUR demands with pictures and newspapers, when none of this involves you one bit. By giving me this ultimatum, you’re insinuating that I’ve already scammed or sold stuff I’m holding. I don’t have to prove anything to you. So go ahead, take legal action and throw all your lawyers at me. There are over 100 people that have my person info just on this very forum, I give you permission to contact any of them for it. Before you continue being a hero or internet bully, here are some specific things you should know (I’m now addressing everyone else too):

Besides the 1 person that have already paid me postage cost, I have not collected a single penny from anyone else for parts or services that has not gotten them yet. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. I’ve built a handful of keyboards for free to help people out. But if there is a cost involved, I never ask for payment for the service, parts, or postage until AFTER it’s complete and shipped out. I’ve shipped out a lot of stuff, and there are about a dozen people that still OWE ME a cumulative amount of over $1k, which I have not nagged about.

How does this relate to pasph? This gentlemen has not yet given me any money for assembly of his 3 keyboards, nor postage cost, nor additional parts, because I did not accept his payment until I ship them all out. Still want to call me a scammer? I have not stolen any money or items, it just hasn’t been shipped yet. Yes I’ve had his stuff for a little over ONE year, but during the time I was very active, there were other bottlenecks that were out of my control. I was requested by pasph to hold these items during that time. Again, in these “two years” you haven’t gotten a clue what actually transpired. I suggest you (or anyone else) go dig back to my old posts to find out, I will not be summarizing those events in this post. And for the record, I’ve replied to pasph in PM, before you even posted this rant according to the time stamp.
 
You don’t have to take my personal RL issues into account, but with just forum matters, you’ve criminalized me without a clue of my public or behind-the-scenes involvement with the community, or on an individual basis. Every assumption you've made is flat out wrong.

[pasph]

Ok GH Hero now that you've understandably taken it all out, "This gentlemen" is still quietly (just a little tired of) waiting and rest assured that "he" will give you all the money that are needed and that are little comparing to the value of the items "he" is waiting from you.
Also "he" will request an invoice for those money and a tracked shipping.

[TheSoulhunter]

[Photoelectric]

Holding someone's personal items that they originally paid for is pretty much equivalent to holding someone's money--this is regarding the statement that someone hasn't paid for additional parts or return shipment.  And it's usually not about money only--it's stressful for the owner as well.  To me there's an easy solution: arrange return shipment without any assembly--just return all the original parts (or ask for additional payment for extra parts) and say that you simply don't have the time to do the modifications or assembly anymore.  I am certain most people would prefer that and would arrange assembly with someone else rather than wait 6+ months.  This applies to a number of people on GH who have offered assembly services and then just got too busy or whatever the excuse.  Instead of shipping everything back, they for some reason chose to hold on to all the parts seemingly indefinitely, thinking that it's somehow better.  It's not.  It's a lot less stressful for everyone to make that trip or two to the post office and just ship everything back.  Obligation off everyone's shoulders, no drama.

[berserkfan]

Holding someone's personal items that they originally paid for is pretty much equivalent to holding someone's money--this is regarding the statement that someone hasn't paid for additional parts or return shipment.  And it's usually not about money only--it's stressful for the owner as well.  To me there's an easy solution: arrange return shipment without any assembly--just return all the original parts (or ask for additional payment for extra parts) and say that you simply don't have the time to do the modifications or assembly anymore.  I am certain most people would prefer that and would arrange assembly with someone else rather than wait 6+ months.  This applies to a number of people on GH who have offered assembly services and then just got too busy or whatever the excuse.  Instead of shipping everything back, they for some reason chose to hold on to all the parts seemingly indefinitely, thinking that it's somehow better.  It's not.  It's a lot less stressful for everyone to make that trip or two to the post office and just ship everything back.  Obligation off everyone's shoulders, no drama.

Yeah, I second Photoelectric.

If WFD has taken on more than he can handle, the best solution is to offer to ship back or to another person who has the time and willingness.

Don't keep people waiting indefinitely with no communication. Life altering events don't take 2 years to unfold, and even if you are experiencing personal problems you do have obligations to take care of. At most, stuff everything in a box without being assembled or modded and mail it back to the owner.

I think keytrun was a little extreme in talking about legal action. It doesn't seem to be the best solution in this case.

[pasph]

Ok, he has sent me a PM stating he needs 1 or 2 weeks to sort and ship my stuff.
I've lost so much time chasing him through the internet that i can wait 2 weeks more.

3 weeks are gone and still nothing

[ApocalypseMaow]

Ok, he has sent me a PM stating he needs 1 or 2 weeks to sort and ship my stuff.
I've lost so much time chasing him through the internet that i can wait 2 weeks more.

3 weeks are gone and still nothing

Damn, that's ridiculous

[Donbabbeo]

This situation would be even funny if there weren't involved money (mine too, one of the 3 keybs of pasph is mine)

[pasph]

Ok, he has sent me a PM stating he needs 1 or 2 weeks to sort and ship my stuff.
I've lost so much time chasing him through the internet that i can wait 2 weeks more.

3 weeks are gone and still nothing

1 month and still nothing

[nubbinator]

1 month and still nothing

And after all that bluster earlier.  I really hope this works out for you.

[pasph]

Ok, he has sent me a PM stating he needs 1 or 2 weeks to sort and ship my stuff.
I've lost so much time chasing him through the internet that i can wait 2 weeks more.

3 weeks are gone and still nothing

1 month and still nothing

2 months and still nothing

[paicrai]

"i know who u r
i know what u want
i will check view source
and i will send google streetview images of ur house"



edit: did someone actually get mad at this? should i add ironic quotes for good measure?

[mashby]

i know who u r
i know what u want
i will check view source
and i will send google streetview images of ur house

Not cool.

[Photekq]

i know who u r
i know what u want
i will check view source
and i will send google streetview images of ur house

Shut up.

[paicrai]

i know who u r
i know what u want
i will check view source
and i will send google streetview images of ur house

Shut up.

soz...?

[Broadmonkey]

I guess the reference wasn't obvious enough without WFD replying "...good luck"

[Rodgaroon]

Any updates on this?

I really hope you got you stuff back.

[jdcarpe]

WFD is most likely gone for good now. People whose stuff he had possession of should probably just consider it a loss at this point. I predict we won't ever again hear from WFD on this forum in the future.

[demik]

WFD is most likely gone for good now. People whose stuff he had possession of should probably just consider it a loss at this point. I predict we won't ever again hear from WFD on this forum in the future.

poor pas. if i had the money id refund him his loss. been more than a champ waiting for wfd.

[jdcarpe]

WFD is most likely gone for good now. People whose stuff he had possession of should probably just consider it a loss at this point. I predict we won't ever again hear from WFD on this forum in the future.

poor pas. if i had the money id refund him his loss. been more than a champ waiting for wfd.

Yeah, no joke. What is it you are missing again, pasph? Maybe I can send you a Filco or something.


Edit: found it.

Just for the record he must send to me
1 Vortex alu case
1 Universal TKL plate
3 Phantom kits (pcb, plate, Teensy etc..)

I can't cover all that, but I can send you a Phantom kit and Universal TKL plate. Anyone have a Vortex TKL case they want to donate to the cause? I will accept donations toward restoring (at least some of) pasph's missing goods, and send them on to pasph.

[nubbinator]

WFD is most likely gone for good now. People whose stuff he had possession of should probably just consider it a loss at this point. I predict we won't ever again hear from WFD on this forum in the future.

poor pas. if i had the money id refund him his loss. been more than a champ waiting for wfd.

Yeah, no joke. What is it you are missing again, pasph? Maybe I can send you a Filco or something.


Edit: found it.

Just for the record he must send to me
1 Vortex alu case
1 Universal TKL plate
3 Phantom kits (pcb, plate, Teensy etc..)

I can't cover all that, but I can send you a Phantom kit and Universal TKL plate. Anyone have a Vortex TKL case they want to donate to the cause? I will accept donations toward restoring (at least some of) pasph's missing goods, and send them on to pasph.

I have a plate (not universal, I don't think) vintage Browns with Clear for caps and Grey for space and a teensy I can donate.  I just need the PCB (or can send stuff on) and case.  I have Cherry stabilizers on the way and Costar on hand.  The plate was painted (mediocre job since) but I can sand it.

[exitfire401]

WFD is most likely gone for good now. People whose stuff he had possession of should probably just consider it a loss at this point. I predict we won't ever again hear from WFD on this forum in the future.

poor pas. if i had the money id refund him his loss. been more than a champ waiting for wfd.

Yeah, no joke. What is it you are missing again, pasph? Maybe I can send you a Filco or something.


Edit: found it.

Just for the record he must send to me
1 Vortex alu case
1 Universal TKL plate
3 Phantom kits (pcb, plate, Teensy etc..)

I can't cover all that, but I can send you a Phantom kit and Universal TKL plate. Anyone have a Vortex TKL case they want to donate to the cause? I will accept donations toward restoring (at least some of) pasph's missing goods, and send them on to pasph.

I have $25 I can put towards the vortex case.

[jdcarpe]

I have a plate (not universal, I don't think) vintage Browns with Clear for caps and Grey for space and a teensy I can donate.  I just need the PCB (or can send stuff on) and case.  I have Cherry stabilizers on the way and Costar on hand.  The plate was painted (mediocre job since) but I can sand it.

Great! You can send me anything you wish to donate (Teensy and switches would be especially helpful, as well as stabs). If you need my address, just PM me.

I have $25 I can put towards the vortex case.

Thanks! I will let you know my Paypal in a bit. I will keep donations to pasph in a separate account that I don't use for personal transactions, so it won't be touched until I go to purchase the goods.

[esoomenona]

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[nubbinator]

****ing scamhack....

What color was the Vortex case, and where can it be found for sale?

I think it's the same as the TKL Tex cases on mechanicalkeyboards.com

[esoomenona]

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[demik]

put me down for 50. i started it id be a damn shame if i didnt contribute. ill send you the money after work jd. send me your paypal addy

[pasph]

I'm just tired to say "no updates".
Money (all described in OP) lost.
End of the story, life goes on.
Thank you all for your sympathy!

[pasph]

Oh! I was on mobile and hadn't read the last posts. I'm without words...

[jdcarpe]

These are reasonably priced. I will buy one for pasph. What color? Black, grey, or red.

What a guy! If you want to have it shipped it to me, I can send it on to pasph with the other things we're collecting for him.

put me down for 50. i started it id be a damn shame if i didnt contribute. ill send you the money after work jd. send me your paypal addy

Nice! I'll send you a pm with my PP addy.

[hwood34]

I'll chip in $20 for whatever else needs to be bought

[HPE1000]

Put me for $25