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« Reply #550 on: Sun, 20 July 2014, 15:58:14 »
Undying lol. I'm heading to bed, it's almost 5am here =( Hoping for a good game. DK DK DK !

It's 7 AM here..

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« Reply #551 on: Sun, 20 July 2014, 17:29:03 »
Is the dream over?

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« Reply #552 on: Sun, 20 July 2014, 17:55:24 »
Dk were my second choice. Although I'm slowly beginning to like VG more and more.

But EG should win. I am still rooting for them. But tbf, I just want Newbee to lose.
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« Reply #553 on: Sun, 20 July 2014, 18:35:30 »
I NEED TO STOP LIKING TEAMS

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Re: GH - DotA2 players
« Reply #554 on: Sun, 20 July 2014, 18:36:51 »
newbee still my #1 compendium.
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« Reply #555 on: Sun, 20 July 2014, 19:39:13 »
THE DREAM IS REAL THE DREAM IS REAL

What a comeback. And Universe has his Void again. This game is going to be tense as ****.

Universe is on the timber, my bad. I'm not confident seeing the first few minutes of this.
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« Reply #556 on: Sun, 20 July 2014, 19:40:41 »
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Re: GH - DotA2 players
« Reply #557 on: Sun, 20 July 2014, 20:07:22 »
NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WHY RTZ WHY U PICK ALCHEMIST. WHEN DK WAS IN THE POOL AND THEY HAD SO MUCH PUSH OMFG.

****. Well, well played to VG, I hope they kick Newbee's ass with a super fast push strat.

I am liking ROTK more and more though, I think he's a p cool guy who doesn't afraid of anything.
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« Reply #558 on: Sun, 20 July 2014, 20:19:11 »
****
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« Reply #559 on: Sun, 20 July 2014, 20:30:25 »
Evil Zeniuses

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« Reply #560 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 02:46:53 »
Wow, it was 7 AM+, I just couldn't take it and went to sleep. Thank god VG is still alive! Please take down NEWBEEE!

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« Reply #561 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 10:00:53 »
So what teams are left? I haven't been able to watch all the games and there doesn't seem to be anywhere to check

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« Reply #562 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 10:31:19 »
So what teams are left? I haven't been able to watch all the games and there doesn't seem to be anywhere to check

Only VG and Newbee. The finals is today.

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« Reply #563 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 11:41:48 »
So what teams are left? I haven't been able to watch all the games and there doesn't seem to be anywhere to check

Only VG and Newbee. The finals is today.

can't wait, it's gonna be intense

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« Reply #564 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 11:55:30 »
This interview of VG is going over like a lead balloon. It's so awkward hahaha

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« Reply #565 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 12:27:51 »
I pray that VG would win this TI.

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« Reply #566 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 12:30:34 »
I pray that VG would win this TI.

rotk and fy god. PLZ!!

Yeah I'm rooting for VG

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« Reply #567 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 15:13:44 »
All these drafts... eziest 5mil of newbee's life

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« Reply #568 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 15:14:13 »
All these drafts... eziest 5mil of newbee's life

VG's draft has absolutely no disables

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« Reply #569 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 15:31:12 »
Told you guys

(sorry I didn't tell you guys but my other friends. On here I made terrible predictions but my Compendium is still correct.)
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« Reply #570 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 15:36:36 »
GG Newbee. well played

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« Reply #571 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 15:38:48 »
At least my number 1 prediction was right, but that was one of the worst finals I've ever seen. The draft is so stupid, it's like basically telling Newbee "here, have this 5mil".

I'm not sure if they were even serious, or were they getting some money from someone else.

I wish it was West vs East finals instead.

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« Reply #572 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 15:43:58 »
At least my number 1 prediction was right, but that was one of the worst finals I've ever seen. The draft is so stupid, it's like basically telling Newbee "here, have this 5mil".

I'm not sure if they were even serious, or were they getting some money from someone else.

I wish it was West vs East finals instead.

Yeah VG's draft was garbage, no disables to be found

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« Reply #573 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 15:45:18 »
Games were pretty unsightly. Could be better with eg or dk in the finals.
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« Reply #574 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 15:48:16 »
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« Reply #575 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 16:32:37 »
This 1 game beats all 4 games of the finals this year.


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« Reply #576 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 17:13:59 »
This 1 game beats all 4 games of the finals this year.


Fully agree

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« Reply #577 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 17:54:41 »
TI3 was better in so many ways. First the format was way more entertaining, we didn't know one of the finalists in the first ****in day. Second Monday, yes it was great for EU based viewers but damn Mondays are not meant for finals. Also the finals games were pretty boring and one sided, and no fan favorites from west so..
Only thing going for it besides maybe the Arena this year was the prize pool which was obviously way bigger and slightly better distributed than TI3. I am pretty disappointed from a viewer standpoint, but that is maybe because last year was way too epic to repeat :)
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« Reply #578 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 22:40:40 »
in other news today ****ing sucked for me.

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« Reply #579 on: Sat, 26 July 2014, 02:19:37 »
The finals were crap I think for three reasons.

  • Firstly, because almost nobody wanted Newbee to win. The whole racism thing followed them like a dark cloud, and the fact that their strategy is so different from the Chinese Dota everyone is used to, which a lot of people hated. Which leads me to my next point...
  • The fast push strats that Newbee put to good use, do not make for good viewing. The game Vici won was the best of the series, probably because it was the only one to go over 25 minutes. As much as people hated on 90 minute Chinese Dota, I think it would have made for a more enjoyable final. Games that go late, where one awesome team fight can result in the game being lost, rather than 20 minutes of towers falling, and one team resigning to the fact they are going to lose. People say it means there are more kills and more things happening. Their last game vs EG I think, ended 6-1 on kills. Objective based gaming.
  • And finally, if you are losing based on your previous strategy, DON'T DRAFT THE SAME ****ING HEROES AGAIN. As soon as Vici drafted a Furion as first pick in the last game, I pretty much knew it was over. You can't beat an early game push strat with another early game push strat. It will never work. Newbee were just way better than Vici at pushing and rolling over them, and there was nothing Vici could do. I dont think I've ever seen a 15 minute gg call in a Grand Finals final game, but that's what happened.

I didn't even keep it on to watch the montage.

Also, I haven't yet watched the C9 Meepo game, but I think the EG vs DK matches were still the best series of the tournament.
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« Reply #580 on: Sat, 26 July 2014, 11:29:38 »
newbee isn't a bunch of racists it's just something that was taken out of context and then overblown

it's just boring dota, there's no way around it

and the chinese communities know that it was boring dota, hell, even VG knew it was boring dota.

everything is back to normal (mostly) now, so hopefull we'll get some good dota going again soon

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« Reply #581 on: Sat, 26 July 2014, 11:43:14 »
I wasn't saying they were, but that was definitely how it seemed.

I really hope they nerf those heroes that are constantly banned/picked in pro games and buff some who have fallen by the way side.

I think Lycan needs something doing to him, and Void could use a lower base damage and a longer CD on his chrono. Maybe something with Doom too.

I am excited for patch notes for sure.
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« Reply #582 on: Sat, 26 July 2014, 11:46:15 »
I wasn't saying they were, but that was definitely how it seemed.

I really hope they nerf those heroes that are constantly banned/picked in pro games and buff some who have fallen by the way side.

I think Lycan needs something doing to him, and Void could use a lower base damage and a longer CD on his chrono. Maybe something with Doom too.

I am excited for patch notes for sure.

Lycan I feel like is a difficult hero to nerf. If you nerf the wolves then early game jungeling.

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« Reply #583 on: Sun, 27 July 2014, 03:02:49 »
Yeah, I have no idea what they could do to him, but they need to focus on the heroes who appear every game.

Wagamama is coming to the end of his 24 hour stream, and he's just finished a game as Medusa, getting lv 25 and 2 rapiers in 33 minutes. It was a good game.
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« Reply #584 on: Sun, 27 July 2014, 03:23:50 »
When they drafted Venomancer, I knew it was all over. With the way VG drafted, it really does seem like VG just wants to lose, as if they are paid, hence a little community saying "conspiracy TI finals".

Lycan
Void
Clinkz
TA

This 4 heroes rarely have their stats or skills nerfed, but people started to find out about them. Before Panda got famous recently, I was thinking why haven't anyone picked them at all? Until the patch came out and some stats were changed, and then people started to practice the hero and try to include them. And then here comes the "trend" dota, VG follows trend a whole lot, they don't make their own draft, they copy draft. I remember looking at one of their draft, fnatic beat them using the SAME exact draft, same pick same ban. I even remember drafting for my team, picking Viper, Razor and DP constantly before they were even famous. Any 2 combination of these 3 easily wins in pushing and war.

Teams like EG, NaVi, and C9 plays their own draft. Yes they do pick the OP heroes or rather "trend" heroes like Lycan, Doom, Shadow Shaman, but they tend to pick something they are used to and make it to good use, and that's why no one figured out how to beat EG, because of their "weird" strategy. Whenever I look at EG play I just don't understand what they are doing, but they seems to do it perfectly. C9 has their own draft (Blink Clinkz/Drow anyone?"), and Na`Vi with their "I have the biggest balls of all" draft. I personally think Na`Vi and C9 has the mindset of "high risk high reward" draft, and that's why they would always entertain the audience.

Teams like VG, Newbee, and DK just loves to copy trend, and DK has the weakest draft among these 3 Chinese team. The problem with DK is that they are always drafting weakly, and they don't know what they want to do. When they picked AM last pick during the DK vs VG game, I pretty much went "wtf is going on?", if they wanted to push, Pugna would have been the better pick, but they picked AM instead, and then Pugna completely destroys Mushi.  (5 minutes into the game I realize why DK was drafting like this, but it was already too late)

Same problem with Fnatic, they have all the potential, but they just don't know what they are doing and most of the games they lost when having a big lead is they somehow knew how to blow it up. (Most of the games) They don't know how to capitalize a lead compare to Na`Vi (xboct throwing occasionally).

I believe Alliance is still one of the best team out there, if they started drafting differently and stop depending on Bulldog so much. I believe Bulldog is one of the best offlaners out there, his movements and map sense is very good. I remember watching ESL C9 vs Alliance and watch his perspective, his movements really was mesmerizing. If only Alliance starts to draft differently, because to me.. Na`Vi and Alliance has the best war sequence of all the teams.

And people are gonna hate me.. but when is C9 going to kick PLD? He does nothing for the team, he's basically what his nickname says.. Pieliefeed.

The format of the tournament is pretty weird as well, I hope it returns to last year's format. It makes ESL look better than TI4.

These are pretty much what I think of the teams right now.

The finals were crap I think for three reasons.

  • Firstly, because almost nobody wanted Newbee to win. The whole racism thing followed them like a dark cloud, and the fact that their strategy is so different from the Chinese Dota everyone is used to, which a lot of people hated. Which leads me to my next point...
  • The fast push strats that Newbee put to good use, do not make for good viewing. The game Vici won was the best of the series, probably because it was the only one to go over 25 minutes. As much as people hated on 90 minute Chinese Dota, I think it would have made for a more enjoyable final. Games that go late, where one awesome team fight can result in the game being lost, rather than 20 minutes of towers falling, and one team resigning to the fact they are going to lose. People say it means there are more kills and more things happening. Their last game vs EG I think, ended 6-1 on kills. Objective based gaming.
  • And finally, if you are losing based on your previous strategy, DON'T DRAFT THE SAME ****ING HEROES AGAIN. As soon as Vici drafted a Furion as first pick in the last game, I pretty much knew it was over. You can't beat an early game push strat with another early game push strat. It will never work. Newbee were just way better than Vici at pushing and rolling over them, and there was nothing Vici could do. I dont think I've ever seen a 15 minute gg call in a Grand Finals final game, but that's what happened.

I didn't even keep it on to watch the montage.

Also, I haven't yet watched the C9 Meepo game, but I think the EG vs DK matches were still the best series of the tournament.
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« Reply #585 on: Sun, 27 July 2014, 03:56:51 »
Yeah, the format really sucked. I think if they just did a regular old tree style bracket, 16 teams in, 8 either side, Bo3s, it would be great. Making it so we knew one of the finalists on day 1 sucked, and it also meant EG had to wait 2 days before playing again, which really didn't help.

Throughout all of the final, the drafts were boring. I like the way DK play, and they were my second favorites to win. I think the format just really sucked. I think the Summit final was better =/
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« Reply #586 on: Sun, 27 July 2014, 04:24:03 »
Yeah, the format really sucked. I think if they just did a regular old tree style bracket, 16 teams in, 8 either side, Bo3s, it would be great. Making it so we knew one of the finalists on day 1 sucked, and it also meant EG had to wait 2 days before playing again, which really didn't help.

Throughout all of the final, the drafts were boring. I like the way DK play, and they were my second favorites to win. I think the format just really sucked. I think the Summit final was better =/

Hopefully TI5 will be better, with better teams, because I'll be attending the next one!

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« Reply #587 on: Tue, 05 August 2014, 17:54:30 »
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« Reply #588 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 14:19:23 »
ARISE DEAD THREAD

So DK are pretty much player-less, just after I received my DK shirt in the mail from teespring...

And SingSing is without a team which sucks as he's pretty funny. And team secret is pretty much an all-star team.

Discussion on roster changes?
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Re: GH - DotA2 players
« Reply #589 on: Tue, 02 September 2014, 00:39:52 »
What happened to cloud 9?

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Re: GH - DotA2 players
« Reply #590 on: Tue, 02 September 2014, 03:36:51 »
What happened to cloud 9?


Singsing left/got kicked. FATA came in for him  :(
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Re: GH - DotA2 players
« Reply #591 on: Tue, 02 September 2014, 03:38:50 »
What happened to cloud 9?


Singsing left/got kicked. FATA came in for him  :(

thus, teamiro tinkerino/youporn is born.
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Re: GH - DotA2 players
« Reply #592 on: Tue, 02 September 2014, 13:47:23 »
I like sing sing.

The NaVi vs Alliance game was awesome. I watched both of them today and they are pretty good
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Re: GH - DotA2 players
« Reply #593 on: Wed, 03 September 2014, 00:31:50 »
Also, it looks like SNA might become the new Liquid... You never know...
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Re: GH - DotA2 players
« Reply #594 on: Thu, 04 September 2014, 13:50:34 »
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Re: GH - DotA2 players
« Reply #595 on: Thu, 04 September 2014, 13:54:25 »
Nuoooo sing sing.
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« Reply #596 on: Thu, 04 September 2014, 14:01:05 »
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Re: GH - DotA2 players
« Reply #597 on: Fri, 05 September 2014, 00:06:13 »
EG got rekd

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Re: GH - DotA2 players
« Reply #598 on: Sun, 07 September 2014, 10:52:37 »
BUT NOW THEY GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE LOSERS BRACKET TO WIN.

Beating both TI4 finalists, and C9 in the finals. USA USA USA USA

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Re: GH - DotA2 players
« Reply #599 on: Sun, 07 September 2014, 10:59:38 »
BUT NOW THEY GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE LOSERS BRACKET TO WIN.

Beating both TI4 finalists, and C9 in the finals. USA USA USA USA

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