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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #50 on: Mon, 13 October 2014, 19:28:38 »
I also really want to try a tactile one for a length of time to see how it's like.
I got a tactile one from ebay (122-key layout) in rough condition. The keys use very stiff springs and I don’t find the switches especially pleasant. I can sell it to you if you want! :p
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #51 on: Mon, 13 October 2014, 19:47:13 »
so the single eye are linear and the double eye are clicky?

i can't remember.............
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #52 on: Mon, 13 October 2014, 19:51:30 »
so the single eye are linear and the double eye are clicky?

i can't remember.............

Mine has both and they are all linear. You can see in the picture.

Well the capslock is latching so I guess it's not linear but still.

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 13 October 2014, 19:53:33 »
so the single eye are linear and the double eye are clicky?

i can't remember.............

Mine has both and they are all linear. You can see in the picture.

Well the capslock is latching so I guess it's not linear but still.

my bad..........i'm not very swift, just caught both in your picture

now i know
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 13 October 2014, 20:19:15 »
The tactile one I have (model number PC122-XT) is all tactile grays, except the spacebar which is a pea-green very heavy linear switch. All two eyes but much skinnier eyes on the green switch.

What I can't figure out is why anyone wants such heavy switches. These things are definitely heavier than MX clear switches, and heavier than brown Alps. Are there lighter-weight tactile space invaders?

Anyhow, I don’t like the tactile version as much as the linear or clicky versions, even ignoring the heavy springs. It seems to be tactile via a similar mechanism to MX: via extra plastic-on-plastic friction, which IMO just isn’t very pleasant. (Edit: it might be extra metal-on-plastic friction, apparently; either way, it’s not the same kind of tactile as e.g. an Alps or SMK switch, and I’m not a fan.)

Nice keycaps though.
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 13 October 2014, 20:21:26 »
The tactile one I have (model number PC122-XT) is all tactile grays, except the spacebar which is a pea-green very heavy linear switch. All two eyes but much skinnier eyes on the green switch.

What I can't figure out is why anyone wants such heavy switches. These things are definitely heavier than MX clear switches, and heavier than brown Alps. Are there lighter-weight tactile space invaders?

Anyhow, I don’t like the tactile version as much as the linear or clicky versions, even ignoring the heavy springs. It seems to be tactile via a similar mechanism to MX: via extra plastic-on-plastic friction, which IMO just isn’t very pleasant.

Nice keycaps though.

WAIT
there's a clicky one? Now I want to try that instead!

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 13 October 2014, 20:24:22 »
WAIT
there's a clicky one? Now I want to try that instead!
Um..?

The clicky black ones are the ones that everyone (e.g. fohat) likes.

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #57 on: Mon, 13 October 2014, 20:25:00 »
The tactile one I have (model number PC122-XT) is all tactile grays, except the spacebar which is a pea-green very heavy linear switch. All two eyes but much skinnier eyes on the green switch.

What I can't figure out is why anyone wants such heavy switches. These things are definitely heavier than MX clear switches, and heavier than brown Alps. Are there lighter-weight tactile space invaders?

Anyhow, I don’t like the tactile version as much as the linear or clicky versions, even ignoring the heavy springs. It seems to be tactile via a similar mechanism to MX: via extra plastic-on-plastic friction, which IMO just isn’t very pleasant.

Nice keycaps though.

the one in the picture i just uploaded are smooth like reds, but much heavier

i guess the grey tactiles are a little heavier than i thought, but i still like them

so what then the blacks are the lightest?
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 13 October 2014, 20:28:58 »
the one in the picture i just uploaded are smooth like reds, but much heavier

i guess the grey tactiles are a little heavier than i thought, but i still like them

so what then the blacks are the lightest?
I’m not sure if all the gray switches are the same spring weight. Anyway, the clicky black ones I’ve tried are much much lighter than the tactile gray ones I’m looking at right now, comparable to blue SMK “monterey” or blue MX switches, I’d say.

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 13 October 2014, 20:37:50 »
the one in the picture i just uploaded are smooth like reds, but much heavier

i guess the grey tactiles are a little heavier than i thought, but i still like them

so what then the blacks are the lightest?
I’m not sure if all the gray switches are the same spring weight. Anyway, the clicky black ones I’ve tried are much much lighter than the tactile gray ones I’m looking at right now, comparable to blue SMK “monterey” or blue MX switches, I’d say.

no..............your right, i love my grey tactiles-- but now that you say something they are a tad heavier than i realized. i have big hands so maybe they do not bother me as much?

my blacks are very light
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 14 October 2014, 12:31:37 »
(Edit: it might be extra metal-on-plastic friction, apparently; either way, it’s not the same kind of tactile as e.g. an Alps or SMK switch, and I’m not a fan.)

The switch has two sprung contacts that are held apart by a bar in the slider; depressing the slider lowers the bar and allows the contacts to close. With the tactile switches, there are kinks in the contacts that the (much thinner) separator bar catches on; the tactile peak is caused by the slider bar making its way past the kinks.

Some people like them, some people hate them. The force may depend on what switch it is, as there are different colours of tactile switch. The colours and eyes are widely available knowledge, but the force is rarely if ever measured. The nature of the large number of switch variants is not well understood.

so the single eye are linear and the double eye are clicky?

See here:

http://deskthority.net/wiki/NMB_Hi-Tek#Variations

Variations is by switch type, followed by a listing by colour. The colour and the number of eyes both matter. (Does anyone know what the eyes even do?)
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 14 October 2014, 13:18:08 »
i would not mind finding a beige, but heard they are pretty heavy
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 14 October 2014, 17:31:13 »

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 14 October 2014, 17:33:37 »
WAIT
there's a clicky one? Now I want to try that instead!
Um..?

The clicky black ones are the ones that everyone (e.g. fohat) likes.

Yeah, that's been the main type being discussed, mainly because it's the most plentiful. That's what I'll be putting into my Televideo before adding a Teensy. If the matrix is anything like the ones the switches are gonna come from I'll probably just wire it up instead of doing a full handwire.

I do want to try the tactile still.
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 12:00:59 »

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 12:03:11 »

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #66 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 17:11:57 »
I just noticed — Nubbinator's one only says "Hi-Tek" on it, which suggests that it predates Hi-Tek getting involved with NMB.

Technically these switches shouldn't be called "NMB Hi-Tek", as they're are a Hi-Tek patented design. It would be interesting to confirm that the Gundam ones have no mention of NMB anywhere on them at all. The next stage was Hi-Tek on the exterior and NMB only listed on the PCB alongside Hi-Tek, before Hi-Tek started being listed as a division of NMB.
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #67 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 17:12:16 »
BTW, I thought the odd duck was webwit?
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #68 on: Tue, 21 October 2014, 20:34:22 »
Today I received my first "ring" key puller.

Although I will not be using it much for other keys, it is perfect for Hi-Tek Space Invaders.

Clip the sides and avoid the corners.

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« Reply #69 on: Tue, 21 October 2014, 20:39:16 »
no kidding...........?

thanks for the stealth- will have to get me one

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« Reply #70 on: Tue, 21 October 2014, 21:41:54 »
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 21 October 2014, 21:45:21 »
i'm guessing this is probably rubber dome since it ends with a t, but the RT101+ always drives me nuts?
Judging from the look of the keycaps, I’m pretty sure it’s a rubber dome.

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #72 on: Wed, 22 October 2014, 02:44:36 »
RT10x got split up. RT10x/RT8xxx is mechanical. From what I can tell, RT10x/RT6xxx is the rubber dome version. In fact, RTNxxx where N != 8 is always rubber dome, so far as I know. Both mechanical and rubber dome started out RT10x, and they were renumbered as RT8xxx (mechanical) and (it appears) RT6xxx (rubber dome) to avoid confusion.

See: http://deskthority.net/wiki/NMB_Keyboards

We believe "T" just means "tactile", including space invaders.

What I specifically want, is at least one (preferably two or more) documented examples of keyboards like the one above (RT6xxx), but a photo gallery in a safe place (preferably the wiki, but NOT eBay as auction listings and photos don't stay around) proving that RT6xxx is rubber dome, and illustrating whether it's plain dome (integrated mount) or NMB dome with slider. Also, a comparable example of a rubber dome RT10x showing the dome type (sliders or no sliders).

That way, we can say for certain which number series the rubber dome RT10x became.
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #73 on: Wed, 22 October 2014, 14:19:04 »
Great for typing on.  Bad for playing any fast paced gaming because, at least with mine (Black 2 big eyes), you have to release the key fully before you can hit it again.  (hyper-stasis might be the word for this).  Originally hated the boards for that + the fact that I tend to type heavy and they really fatigued my fingers.  I use them at work though and are pretty satisfying.  No wobble on the keys sans space enter shift etc in witch they have an "acceptable amount" of wobble. 

In my personal opinion though SMK alps mount "Monteray" switches are hands down better in every way even in a flimsy keyboard case with sub par keycaps.


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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #74 on: Thu, 23 October 2014, 16:40:16 »
122-key XT keyboard. Heavy tactile gray switches (personally I don’t like these much) + even heavier linear pea-green switch:



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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #75 on: Thu, 23 October 2014, 17:10:12 »
^^ → wiki page.
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #76 on: Thu, 23 October 2014, 20:50:51 »
Totally standard ANSI (no big enter key) 101-key Televideo terminal keyboard, white space invader switches, NIB. I guess it does have an 8u spacebar and small Alt keys, so not precisely like a Model M.













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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #77 on: Thu, 23 October 2014, 20:56:08 »
woa........... :eek:

that is one nice board- looks like pbt caps?
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #78 on: Thu, 23 October 2014, 21:12:12 »
All the space invader boards I’ve seen are PBT caps. These are nice dyesubs.

The case is a bit flimsy (as you can see, it’s just two pieces of plastic). Otherwise the board is great, for what it is.

First changes I would make if redesigning it: (1) include a split spacebar, or at least something smaller than 8u, (2) Use a shorter right shift, since these hi-tek stabilizers for 2.75u shift keys kinda suck; (3) put a lighter switch under the spacebar.
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #79 on: Thu, 23 October 2014, 21:42:41 »
The case is a bit flimsy (as you can see, it’s just two pieces of plastic).

That is kind of disappointing. The ancient Televideo that I parted out had a truly awesome case.
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #80 on: Fri, 24 October 2014, 02:04:21 »
Someone on Reddit found another of those condensed-green-on-beige ANSI boards:
https://imgur.com/a/q9p9C

(Though those look a lot more beige than they should, because the exposure and white balance are pretty far off.)

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #81 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 17:14:31 »
I’ve been using a clicky space invader board today (and very much enjoying the feeling, since I swapped out the ridiculously heavy spacebar spring with the spring on another key), and noticing that it actuates just slightly prematurely. That is, actuation comes a bit before the tactile/click point. Not nearly as bad as clicky Omrons, but still a bit annoying. Alps and SMK switches don’t seem to have this problem at all.

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #82 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 17:22:52 »
Alps and SMK switches don’t seem to have this problem at all.
My experience with SMK ("monterey") blue switches as well as ALPS in general has been decidedly different than yours.

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #83 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 18:04:36 »
My experience with SMK ("monterey") blue switches as well as ALPS in general has been decidedly different than yours.
You get pre-click actuation with Alps or SMK switches?

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 01 November 2014, 04:37:49 »
A guy who likes white space invaders:
http://www.johnbear.net/symbolics-keyboard-paper/MacIvoryKeyboard.pdf

Discussion of this document (currently not much there):
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65048

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #85 on: Sat, 01 November 2014, 17:27:31 »
I really have no clue who makes this board?

I thought white with 2 eyes were clicky, but this one is linear

board is pretty much like new- just a little dust, weird layout but it is AT

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #86 on: Sat, 01 November 2014, 17:29:48 »
The colour—eye count combinations are not unique. White with two eyes can be linear or clicky :-P
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #87 on: Sat, 01 November 2014, 17:31:49 »
I really have no clue who makes this board?

I thought white with 2 eyes were clicky, but this one is linear

board is pretty much like new- just a little dust, weird layout but it is AT



i've tried loading the picture but the site will not let me...........errpr

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #88 on: Sat, 01 November 2014, 17:39:45 »
I really have no clue who makes this board?

I thought white with 2 eyes were clicky, but this one is linear

board is pretty much like new- just a little dust, weird layout but it is AT



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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #89 on: Sat, 01 November 2014, 18:59:32 »
The colour—eye count combinations are not unique. White with two eyes can be linear or clicky :-P

What? I thought that white was always linear.
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #91 on: Tue, 04 November 2014, 08:23:52 »
Just a crazy thought - not really an IC or something to be built...

What do you guys think about a custom space invaders tenkeyless/40%/60%?  And because the huge enter small backspace is a problem for many - just using alternative switches for those keys - either MX Clears/Whites/Greens or White/Matias Clicky Alps.

Yes ... it's silly.

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #92 on: Tue, 04 November 2014, 10:18:30 »
Just a crazy thought - not really an IC or something to be built...

What do you guys think about a custom space invaders tenkeyless/40%/60%?  And because the huge enter small backspace is a problem for many - just using alternative switches for those keys - either MX Clears/Whites/Greens or White/Matias Clicky Alps.

Yes ... it's silly.

silly here is cool........... :cool:

elaborate, tease us some more :eek:

be interesting to see what pcb and plate you are going to use?
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #93 on: Tue, 04 November 2014, 10:41:54 »
Just a crazy thought - not really an IC or something to be built...

What do you guys think about a custom space invaders tenkeyless/40%/60%?  And because the huge enter small backspace is a problem for many - just using alternative switches for those keys - either MX Clears/Whites/Greens or White/Matias Clicky Alps.

Yes ... it's silly.

silly here is cool........... :cool:

elaborate, tease us some more :eek:

be interesting to see what pcb and plate you are going to use?

I'm not planning anything like that - it's a 'pipe dream' just to see how many people would accept alternative switches on those specific keys.

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #94 on: Tue, 04 November 2014, 13:06:40 »
I'm not planning anything like that - it's a 'pipe dream' just to see how many people would accept alternative switches on those specific keys.

Why alternative switches? Just because you'd have to use another brand of keycap?
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #95 on: Tue, 04 November 2014, 13:18:19 »
I'm not planning anything like that - it's a 'pipe dream' just to see how many people would accept alternative switches on those specific keys.

Why alternative switches? Just because you'd have to use another brand of keycap?

Read what I wrote above.  Not everyone is into the large Enter, small Backspace.  As far as I know there are no alternative Space Invader mount keycaps for those switches.

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #96 on: Tue, 04 November 2014, 13:30:01 »
I'm not planning anything like that - it's a 'pipe dream' just to see how many people would accept alternative switches on those specific keys.

Why alternative switches? Just because you'd have to use another brand of keycap?

Read what I wrote above.  Not everyone is into the large Enter, small Backspace.  As far as I know there are no alternative Space Invader mount keycaps for those switches.

there's at least one that fohat has, but according to him the font is ugly.

I really like the font and hope to get one like that eventually.

If you look at the PCB, there are holes for a normal enter and backspace, but the plate doesn't accept it of course.

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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #97 on: Tue, 04 November 2014, 13:30:21 »
That is what I was trying to clarify — you were not specific about it. The keycaps certainly exist though:

http://deskthority.net/review-f45/nmb-rt-102-with-clicky-space-invaders-t8469.html

However, you'd have to find broken examples of such keyboards. Apparently the "+" in model numbers (e.g. RT101+) refers to the large enter key that you don't want, so avoid those.
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #98 on: Tue, 04 November 2014, 13:35:01 »
I suspect the hard part will be finding an ANSI space invader keyboard — I am not sure I've ever seen one.
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Re: NMB Hi-Tek Space Invaders discussion topic
« Reply #99 on: Tue, 04 November 2014, 13:37:55 »
I suspect the hard part will be finding an ANSI space invader keyboard — I am not sure I've ever seen one.
Did you miss this, upthread? http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=60707.msg1513316#msg1513316

dante: I’d recommend using either SMK clicky switches (“monterey blue” or the MX-mount ones) or MX blue/green on the enter and spacebar(s) if you need to match Hi-Tek clicky switches. Clicky Alps switches aren’t going to feel like they match, I expect.
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