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Offline eeperson

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brown vs. blue cherry
« on: Fri, 29 May 2009, 17:12:10 »
I was thinking of buying one of the Filco 'tenkeyless' keyboards over at Elite Keyboards.  After contacting the web site and viewing some posts on this forum, I discovered that Elite Keyboards will selling a limited run of Filco 'tenkeyless' keyboards with blue Cherry switches in about a month. I am torn between the buying the current keyboards with the brown Cherry switches and waiting a month for a limited run of the blue Cherry switches.

I have used the blue switches before and really like the tactile feedback.  I like the idea of the brown switches (quieter, lighter springs) but I'm not sure they will have as much tactile feedback.  So, for the people that have used keyboards with both the brown and the blue switches, how does the tactile 'click' of the two compare?  Is it less noticeable in the browns?

Offline watduzhkstand4

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« Reply #1 on: Fri, 29 May 2009, 17:37:55 »
I am definitely waiting for some blue cherries from elitekeyboards. I guess we're gonna be fighting for one >;)
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Cherry Blue *Filco Tenkeyless w/ blank keys* w/ red ESC key thanks to Megarat
Cherry Red Noppoo Choc Mini
IBM Model M 1391401 12/15/88
Siig Minitouch w/ White Alps


SOLD
HHKB Pro 2 white w/ blank keys red ESC key and blank WASD keys
HHKB L-2
Cherry Brown Compaq mx11800
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Offline bigpook

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« Reply #2 on: Fri, 29 May 2009, 17:41:17 »
The browns don't click at all. What noise they do make come from the key bottoming out.
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Offline jayray999

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« Reply #3 on: Fri, 29 May 2009, 17:51:38 »
I was in your position not so long ago. I settled it by trying both by two buying cheap keyboards (G80-3000 LSCRC-2 ($60) and MX11800($27)) that have Blues and Browns respectively. Since that does not seem to be an option, you have to judge by other people's subjective descriptions.

Blues: Definitely more tactile. Each keypress is staccato. I try to minimize bottoming out since the audible clicks satisfy my need for feedback.

Browns: Not as tactile but that may be because of the lack of auditory feedback. Unique lightness which is enjoyable in its own right. However, I find myself bottoming out more to generate auditory feedback.

One obvious advantage of the brown is that you dont annoy people around you.

Edit: If damage to your tendons depends on actuation force then bear in mind ripster's point about Browns needing 5cN less force.
« Last Edit: Fri, 29 May 2009, 18:01:06 by jayray999 »
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed and they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
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Offline bigpook

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« Reply #4 on: Fri, 29 May 2009, 18:00:02 »
Quote from: jayray999;93304


One obvious advantage of the brown is that you dont annoy people around you.


Not when I am typing on them : )

I had both the blue cherry and the brown cherry filco tenless.

FWIW, I sold the blue cherry version. The brown cherry filco tenless is my second one. I sold the first one I had : )
Pretty crazy; I know.

Its not that I don't like the blue cherries, I think I just like the brown cherries better.
Having said all that, I am typing on a filco tenless with black alps switches.
I think I need a beer.

Hopefully you will make the right choice the first time out : )
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Offline jayray999

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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 29 May 2009, 18:04:02 »
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Its not that I don't like the blue cherries, I think I just like the brown cherries better.


I wish I had your clarity of thought. Every time I try the one I think it is better. And then I try the other...

Make that two beers.
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed and they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
Harry Lime (Orson Welles) :: The Third Man (1949)

Offline jayray999

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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 29 May 2009, 18:07:03 »
Quote from: ripster;93306

Browns are "relaxing".
Blues are "fun".


That's exactly right.
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed and they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
Harry Lime (Orson Welles) :: The Third Man (1949)

Offline bigpook

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« Reply #7 on: Fri, 29 May 2009, 18:14:09 »
or in other words: the blues are all sparkly and the browns are sublime.
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Offline bigpook

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« Reply #8 on: Fri, 29 May 2009, 18:16:04 »
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I wish I had your clarity of thought. Every time I try the one I think it is better. And then I try the other...

Make that two beers.


I don't really think you can go wrong with either one though. We all have our opinions though, but they are both fine switches.

In the end, you will end up buying both : )
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Offline bigpook

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« Reply #9 on: Fri, 29 May 2009, 18:17:47 »
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That is Blues are "fun" until your significant other throws you "The Look".  We call it here, "The Pook Look".


Thanks, but really, all of us married guys know all too well what the "look" is. Don't be sticking my name all over that : )
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Offline bigpook

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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 29 May 2009, 19:31:57 »
Quote from: ripster;93314
Couldn't resist the rhyme.

Yeah, kinda ironic since it's your wife that has the Das.  Why didn't you try and have her use the Filco Blue Cherry? -  that must have been a tricky one to get your hands on so I was surprised when you let it go.


She likes having the numpad and she likes the das. I won't mess with it now that its on her desk.  Shes already wearing the letters off of some of the keys, and why would I risk the "look"? and a fair amount of "why can't you just leave it alone?".

I ordered the blue cherry filco from benippon if IIRC. Its not like I didn't like it, it was just sitting around not getting used so I sold it to a fellow geekhacker.

I can narrow down my favorites to the model m mini's, HHKB, filco with brown cherries and the filco with black alps.
Thats pretty good for me. I kind of wish I could just pick one and stick with it forever. But I really don't see that happening. : )

These keyboards are like a curse.
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Offline o2dazone

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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 29 May 2009, 20:38:08 »
Quote from: bigpook;93319
I kind of wish I could just pick one and stick with it forever. But I really don't see that happening. : )

These keyboards are like a curse.


I agree. Since I've gotten my HHKB, and learning the layout at home and at work, both of my other keyboards (brown and blue cherries) have been on the back burner. I'm probably going to loan out my Filco, it looks so sad just sitting there :(

Offline bigpook

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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 29 May 2009, 20:46:53 »
Quote from: o2dazone;93322
I agree. Since I've gotten my HHKB, and learning the layout at home and at work, both of my other keyboards (brown and blue cherries) have been on the back burner. I'm probably going to loan out my Filco, it looks so sad just sitting there :(



So you think you can settle on the HHKB as your daily driver?

I thought I could at one point, then it was back to the model m's, then the filco's. In a month or so I will be back on the HHKB : )
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Offline o2dazone

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 29 May 2009, 21:24:51 »
Well, I say "Yes" to that answer because I just got it. Honestly I miss the browns, but I'm trying to find where they would fit in my day. Maybe at work once I stop carting the HHKB to the job and back, but then my blue cherries are gone, and I really like those...
Damnit for having only 2 computers

Offline o2dazone

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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 00:14:30 »
To seal the deal, I let my brother borrow my Filco Majestouch. He loved the g80-3000 when I got it, and got one for himself. So now he might be convinced to get a Filco. I wonder if Elitekeyboards has a referral program! LOL

It's out of the house, so I can't roll back to it. It'll give me and the HHKB some alone time to get intimate with one another.....................

Offline watduzhkstand4

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« Reply #15 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 01:31:31 »
the blue cherries are more tactile and louder than the brown cherries, that I know. What about the feel between blue cherries and black alps?
KEYBOARDS
Cherry Blue *Filco Tenkeyless w/ blank keys* w/ red ESC key thanks to Megarat
Cherry Red Noppoo Choc Mini
IBM Model M 1391401 12/15/88
Siig Minitouch w/ White Alps


SOLD
HHKB Pro 2 white w/ blank keys red ESC key and blank WASD keys
HHKB L-2
Cherry Brown Compaq mx11800
Dell AT101W
Cherry Red Leopold 104-key Otaku FC500RR/ABN

Offline bigpook

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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 06:43:29 »
Quote from: watduzhkstand4;93348
the blue cherries are more tactile and louder than the brown cherries, that I know. What about the feel between blue cherries and black alps?


I had to turn around and type on my wifes das. It immediately felt lighter but with a high pitched click. The black alps have a a more solid feel, not as light.
Its early, and hard to describe this.
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Offline patrickgeekhack

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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 09:05:17 »
Quote from: bigpook;93363
I had to turn around and type on my wifes das. It immediately felt lighter but with a high pitched click. The black alps have a a more solid feel, not as light.
Its early, and hard to describe this.


Blue Cherries definitely feel lighter than the Black Alps. Black Alps don't have a click with them, but the bottoming out of the keys can be heard.

Previously owned
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Current collection
Cherry MX Blue:  Cherry G80-3000 | Das Ultimate Model S  
Cherry MX Brown: Filco FKB104M/EB | Compaq MX-11800
Simplified Black ALPS: ABS M1
Complicated Orange ALPS: Apple Extended Keyboard
Complicated Dampened Cream ALPS: Apple Extended Keyboard II
Topre: Topre 103UB
Buckling Spring:  IBM Model M 1391401

Offline patrickgeekhack

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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 09:08:11 »
Quote from: ripster;93371

Just curious - I wonder if Geekhackers would be more naturally "forgiving"of others typing loud since we're used to the sound.


I wonder about that too. I don't know since my wife does not care about a clicky keyboard, and is very happy with her laptop keyboard. I don't think I will be able to concentrate on my reading if someone is using a clicky keyboard close to me. Sound selfish, right? This is why I have my wireless Microsoft keyboard always handy for the times when she does not want to hear click clack constantly or when our baby is having a hard time falling asleep.

Previously owned
Customizer 104 | Dell AT-101W

Current collection
Cherry MX Blue:  Cherry G80-3000 | Das Ultimate Model S  
Cherry MX Brown: Filco FKB104M/EB | Compaq MX-11800
Simplified Black ALPS: ABS M1
Complicated Orange ALPS: Apple Extended Keyboard
Complicated Dampened Cream ALPS: Apple Extended Keyboard II
Topre: Topre 103UB
Buckling Spring:  IBM Model M 1391401

Offline bigpook

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« Reply #19 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 09:09:38 »
Quote from: ripster;93371
So she must be sitting near you.  The sound of the Blue Cherries don't bug you?

Just curious - I wonder if Geekhackers would be more naturally "forgiving"of others typing loud since we're used to the sound.


Not really, its a high pitched sound but I have a bunch of computers running so there is fan noise going on to. Its not like the room is actually quiet.
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Offline bigpook

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« Reply #20 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 09:10:15 »
Quote from: patrickgeekhack;93375
Blue Cherries definitely feel lighter than the Black Alps. Black Alps don't have a click with them, but the bottoming out of the keys can be heard.


Yeah, that would be about right.
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Offline patrickgeekhack

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« Reply #21 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 09:13:28 »
Quote from: bigpook;93380
Yeah, that would be about right.


If I had a choice, I would prefer to have someone using blue Cherries than black Alps or Buckling Spring beside me.

Previously owned
Customizer 104 | Dell AT-101W

Current collection
Cherry MX Blue:  Cherry G80-3000 | Das Ultimate Model S  
Cherry MX Brown: Filco FKB104M/EB | Compaq MX-11800
Simplified Black ALPS: ABS M1
Complicated Orange ALPS: Apple Extended Keyboard
Complicated Dampened Cream ALPS: Apple Extended Keyboard II
Topre: Topre 103UB
Buckling Spring:  IBM Model M 1391401

Offline watduzhkstand4

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« Reply #22 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 10:23:56 »
I do find the black alps a bit too heavy for my typing. Now that the blue cherries are lighter, I hope it will improve my typing.
KEYBOARDS
Cherry Blue *Filco Tenkeyless w/ blank keys* w/ red ESC key thanks to Megarat
Cherry Red Noppoo Choc Mini
IBM Model M 1391401 12/15/88
Siig Minitouch w/ White Alps


SOLD
HHKB Pro 2 white w/ blank keys red ESC key and blank WASD keys
HHKB L-2
Cherry Brown Compaq mx11800
Dell AT101W
Cherry Red Leopold 104-key Otaku FC500RR/ABN

Offline bigpook

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« Reply #23 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 10:26:39 »
coming off of a BS keyboard the black alps are positively lively : )
but compared to a brown cherry, the black alps are all chunky.
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Offline patrickgeekhack

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« Reply #24 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 11:11:14 »
Quote from: ripster;93383
LOL - I was just thinking the same thing.  It's the anticipation with a Buckling Spring - there's a lot of random "pings" I can hear a good distance away.

For yuks I just plugged in my son's Sennheiser PXC 450 noise cancelling headphones and they don't do much to dampen the high pitched sounds.  I think they are more for the jet engine's low rumbling pitch range.


Somehow, I find that most people, especially in an office environment, more tolerant towards black Alps than towards Blue Cherries. This could be cause some rubber dome keyboards produce quite "loud" noise when the keys are bottomed out and when they go back to their initial location.

Previously owned
Customizer 104 | Dell AT-101W

Current collection
Cherry MX Blue:  Cherry G80-3000 | Das Ultimate Model S  
Cherry MX Brown: Filco FKB104M/EB | Compaq MX-11800
Simplified Black ALPS: ABS M1
Complicated Orange ALPS: Apple Extended Keyboard
Complicated Dampened Cream ALPS: Apple Extended Keyboard II
Topre: Topre 103UB
Buckling Spring:  IBM Model M 1391401

Offline jayray999

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« Reply #25 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 11:47:02 »
Quote from: ripster;93383
For yuks I just plugged in my son's Sennheiser PXC 450 noise cancelling headphones and they don't do much to dampen the high pitched sounds.  I think they are more for the jet engine's low rumbling pitch range.


My experience with noise cancellation phones suggests that passive noise cancellation (Etymotic, Shure etc.) works well while active noise cancellation (Bose, Sennheiser etc.) is wishful thinking at best, snake oil at worst and either way needs batteries.

Off-topic: You can't go wrong with that blue cherry of earphones, the great Etymotic ER-4S (or ER-4P) in terms of noise cancellation and sound quality. And they are so tiny they can fit in your shirt pocket. Why do I have a feeling you know all this?
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed and they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
Harry Lime (Orson Welles) :: The Third Man (1949)

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« Reply #26 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 12:07:47 »
Quote from: ripster;93399
Fo Shure....

Hey you have an Iriver H120; the greatest portable digital music player ever built. They don't build 'em like that. Rockbox is great but I am always scared when I upgrade that I will brick my player. I have the H140.
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed and they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
Harry Lime (Orson Welles) :: The Third Man (1949)

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« Reply #27 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 12:50:43 »
Quote from: ripster;93412
Compared to the Sansa Clip it IS a brick.


It is the only portable player I encountered with an optical in/out. Add a DAC and an amp and you are ready to rock. Ok not exactly a portable setup.
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed and they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
Harry Lime (Orson Welles) :: The Third Man (1949)

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« Reply #28 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 13:31:54 »
You are not alone...

"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed and they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
Harry Lime (Orson Welles) :: The Third Man (1949)

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« Reply #29 on: Sat, 30 May 2009, 14:21:02 »
iRiver's current model- E100- is a fairly crummy player.

I had a Sandisk E250 for a few years, with Rockbox towards the end, and rather liked it, but the wheel seized up, so I bought an E100 (8Gb for less than I paid for the 2Gb Sandisk), and it just feels like working through molasses-- unresponsive and slow.  UI design counts hugely on these tiny devices.
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