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[IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 22:14:17 »
Based on some retro laptops with DSA style caps and with a built in cassette deck.  I'll get a proper IC later, but for now, just comment in the thread if it's something that sounds interesting to you.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 22:21:30 »
I like the colours, I would scrap the orange though and find a nicer font. I also think that either all the keys should have a single icon, or that it should follow normal keyboard key design. Not the semi-mono legend that your preview has.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 22:21:44 »
Colors look great, but boo to DSA.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 22:25:25 »
This looks fantastic Nubbinator! Definitely interested.
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 22:38:10 »
I like the colours, I would scrap the orange though and find a nicer font. I also think that either all the keys should have a single icon, or that it should follow normal keyboard key design. Not the semi-mono legend that your preview has.

I agree with Vibex, I think it should either be full mono-legend or full standard legend. I do like the mono legend look if I were to pick just one. Regardless, I would be very tempted to order a set. I do like the orange though.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 22:46:29 »
I like the colours, I would scrap the orange though and find a nicer font. I also think that either all the keys should have a single icon, or that it should follow normal keyboard key design. Not the semi-mono legend that your preview has.

If it's DSA, it has to be large and centered (and it goes with the original).  If it's DCS, it can be Cherry.  The pic is just a rough idea though.

And,  to be honest, the orange is really what makes it for me.  I could probably add in a more "normal" option, but then it's practically inverted Dolch. I guess I need to buy an SP color ring so I can show off a nice dark orange (or get them to do a custom orange) and show what the colors would actually be.  I just have a hard time dropping $40 on a color ring to make SP money.

Colors look great, but boo to DSA.

What profile would you prefer?  I'd do GMK, but they don't have anywhere near the right colors.  I'd love some of the Devlin profiles, but they only work through QWERkeys and after my last GB with them, I refuse to work with them ever again.

Would DCS be better?  I refuse to do SA, so it would be between DCS and DSA.
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 22:51:08 »
I like the colours, I would scrap the orange though and find a nicer font. I also think that either all the keys should have a single icon, or that it should follow normal keyboard key design. Not the semi-mono legend that your preview has.

If it's DSA, it has to be large and centered (and it goes with the original).  If it's DCS, it can be Cherry.  The pic is just a rough idea though.

And,  to be honest, the orange is really what makes it for me.  I could probably add in a more "normal" option, but then it's practically inverted Dolch.
Oh I just ment the font in general. I know that if it's DSA it will have to be large and centered. I just think you can find a better font. And to each their own when it comes to colours. I've just never been found of the colour orange (or yellow for that matter). I just think it's a meh colour over all.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 22:52:02 »
Personally I'd definitely prefer DCS.

And,  to be honest, the orange is really what makes it for me.  I could probably add in a more "normal" option, but then it's practically inverted Dolch.

Yeah the orange is great.  The alphas look like they have some brown in them in the pics though?

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 22:54:20 »
ooo I like this, great idea nubb! That color combo on the first picture is awesome! (chocolate alphas with brownish-grey mods) Why not go with this color combo?  :D

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 22:55:46 »
Personally I'd definitely prefer DCS.

And,  to be honest, the orange is really what makes it for me.  I could probably add in a more "normal" option, but then it's practically inverted Dolch.

Yeah the orange is great.  The alphas look like they have some brown in them in the pics though?

Thanks man.  I don't know why, but the orange makes it for me.  Otherwise it's kind of bland.  Just look at the orange WASD cluster that was an option with the DSA Dolch set and how much that sexed it up.

That's kind of the intent (the brown in the alphas that is).  I need to get the color ring again.  I seem to remember an almost black brown that SP has that would be perfect.  I'm really just doing a rough rough mock up with this tool and it doesn't seem to have the right brownish color for it that I remember being in the ring.
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 22:58:20 »
You should put the CTRL key back in its proper place, like your inspiration keyboards. Also, use the right name for RETURN. :)

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 23:00:17 »
You should put the CTRL key back in its proper place, like your inspiration keyboards. Also, use the right name for RETURN. :)

It would be cool to have RETURN instead of ENTER  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 23:01:33 »
You should put the CTRL key back in its proper place, like your inspiration keyboards. Also, use the right name for RETURN. :)

And next you'll be wanting a shift lock cap.

Changing enter to Return is a good idea that I think I'll do, but, since I'm proposing DSA, you can **** with the CTRL wherever you want.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 23:47:02 »
I dig it.

You should play with a red Esc key. Both of your examples have a conspicuous red button in that area of the keyboard.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 01:07:44 »
I'm definitely in,  nubs. Looks great and I hope DSA stays an option.  :'( 

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 01:20:19 »
The splash of color with the orange and red is great!

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 04:26:15 »
I like the color scheme.

Please offer a "boring joe kit" like Matt3o does that contains the standard keys (like light grey scroll lock etc.).

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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 04:46:19 »
Maybe the numpad Enter could be red too?

And the num lock and scroll lock could have red legends to match caps lock?
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 05:04:13 »
Love it.  Especially since it's DSA.  Sex if PBT, might still buy if ABS.

Hope it see it go into production with some kits/mods. 

Agree on the added reds.

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« Reply #19 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 06:15:12 »
Love it.  Especially since it's DSA.  Sex if PBT, might still buy if ABS.

Hope it see it go into production with some kits/mods. 

Agree on the added reds.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #20 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 06:28:03 »
I'm interested for sure, both in the profile and colors involved. I agree with what Vibex said about the font and what jacobolus said about the CTRL/CapsLock swap. Is it possible to get an add-on for the latter? This HHKB's been spoiling me so hard. I need to maintain a certain quality of life now : ' [
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #21 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 12:51:57 »
I was just wondering if anyone would make keysets that look like that. Looks like wishes do come true. I'm definitely interested.
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #22 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 13:01:49 »
And next you'll be wanting a shift lock cap.

Changing enter to Return is a good idea that I think I'll do, but, since I'm proposing DSA, you can **** with the CTRL wherever you want.
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #23 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 14:17:49 »
i like the orange and this is very "old skool"

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #24 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 14:25:43 »
yeppers..............this is really nice!

would be nice if there were a few extra keys for a ducky?

the colors and some of the suggestions could be put in a added pack, but i agree the orange really does it for me as well- i like the contrast :cool:

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these would look pretty awesome if put on an 1800-- of course there has to be enough of "i wants" to justify
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 04 August 2014, 07:49:34 »
And,  to be honest, the orange is really what makes it for me.  I could probably add in a more "normal" option, but then it's practically inverted Dolch. I guess I need to buy an SP color ring so I can show off a nice dark orange (or get them to do a custom orange) and show what the colors would actually be.  I just have a hard time dropping $40 on a color ring to make SP money.

SP has images of their available colors here:
http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/resources/

Aren't these the same as the color ring?
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 06 August 2014, 13:54:57 »
I like it a lot. I think DSA profile is perfect, and the orange is a nice contrast for me. I would buy a set.
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:20:33 »
seem to be another Dolch?

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:28:16 »
It's inverted from Dolch and I'm also aiming for more of a dark almost brownish color for the Alphas like in the first pic.  I need to get a color ring again to get the colors set.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:34:30 »
It's inverted from Dolch and I'm also aiming for more of a dark almost brownish color for the Alphas like in the first pic.  I need to get a color ring again to get the colors set.

I think the brown color you want is TAA.

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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 07 August 2014, 11:27:36 »
It's inverted from Dolch and I'm also aiming for more of a dark almost brownish color for the Alphas like in the first pic.  I need to get a color ring again to get the colors set.

I think the brown color you want is TAA.
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 02:00:29 »
Brown or Grey, they're both nice and well coordinated with the rest of the colour scheme.  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 20 August 2014, 16:17:00 »
I have to ask, because I noticed this on the Royal Apollo set as well:
What's with the shifted < > ? " : [ ] legends?
Mono legends are cool, but why not unshifted  , . / ' ; { } ?

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 22 August 2014, 22:23:11 »
Once again, I feel like there are alot of DSA set out there. I would purchase this set for sure.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 02 September 2014, 12:20:02 »
I was working on a very similar design before someone suggested your GB on Deskthority, here is what I thought would be a good recreation of the Epson keyset.



http://imgur.com/a/HtviC is the Imgur album of all my work on it. I thought it should be DCS to keep it consistent with the original design and to separate itself from all of the DSA sets being made right now. I also went with brown legends for the modifiers which gives them more pop in my opinion.

Hopefully this set can come to fruition, if you want any help with more photos of my PX-8 or of my design ideas, I would love to contribute.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 02 September 2014, 14:25:31 »
The colors do a very good match in between. I'd prefer DSA, and I suggest you to include options for most common special keyboard layouts as FC660M, choc mini, and the likes.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 02 September 2014, 21:00:14 »
I was working on a very similar design before someone suggested your GB on Deskthority, here is what I thought would be a good recreation of the Epson keyset.

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http://imgur.com/a/HtviC is the Imgur album of all my work on it. I thought it should be DCS to keep it consistent with the original design and to separate itself from all of the DSA sets being made right now. I also went with brown legends for the modifiers which gives them more pop in my opinion.

Hopefully this set can come to fruition, if you want any help with more photos of my PX-8 or of my design ideas, I would love to contribute.

Well, the plan is to do something like this, pending color rings and choosing from those:





The brown is TBN, which isn't well represented on the mock up site.

The 60% symmetry set at the bottom will be built into the main set as will the color set.  Then you have a Tsangan and an ISO set.  The modifiers will be the same between the two, but you can buy the grey or the brown Alphas.  Even though the legends will be different from Retro DSA colors, the brown is the same color, so letting you choose which Alpha lets you use your Retro DSA Alphas if you already have the set.

DSA is the planned profile since the HX-20 and HX-40 that inspired the set are DSA.

And in before Elrick says SA because it's the best profile ever and everything should be done in SA.  DCS is a possibility, but SA will not be done.
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 02 September 2014, 21:32:56 »
Here is a link to the scans for all the colors:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/compactkey/sets/72157634628432952/with/9294353672/

GH is Error 500ing hard right now at won't let me post any pictures. 
« Last Edit: Tue, 02 September 2014, 21:35:28 by Badwrench »
wut. i'd buy a ****ty IBM board for that green V2

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 02 September 2014, 23:26:53 »
Do want. Gib me, nubbinator.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 03 September 2014, 01:36:49 »
Well, the plan is to do something like this, pending color rings and choosing from those:

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And in before Elrick says SA because it's the best profile ever and everything should be done in SA.  DCS is a possibility, but SA will not be done.

Hey, hey, hey........ If you are going to make the above colour-way then I'll buy it in DSA profile easily.  I may be a rabid crack-ho for SA but I will transgress towards the DSA regime when the colours provide a genuine attraction.

We need some decent warm tints for a colour-way the screams, welcome - come use me as soon as possible.
« Last Edit: Wed, 03 September 2014, 01:39:30 by Elrick »

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 03 September 2014, 08:02:40 »
I was working on a very similar design before someone suggested your GB on Deskthority, here is what I thought would be a good recreation of the Epson keyset.

Show Image


http://imgur.com/a/HtviC is the Imgur album of all my work on it. I thought it should be DCS to keep it consistent with the original design and to separate itself from all of the DSA sets being made right now. I also went with brown legends for the modifiers which gives them more pop in my opinion.

Hopefully this set can come to fruition, if you want any help with more photos of my PX-8 or of my design ideas, I would love to contribute.

Well, the plan is to do something like this, pending color rings and choosing from those:

Show Image


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The brown is TBN, which isn't well represented on the mock up site.

The 60% symmetry set at the bottom will be built into the main set as will the color set.  Then you have a Tsangan and an ISO set.  The modifiers will be the same between the two, but you can buy the grey or the brown Alphas.  Even though the legends will be different from Retro DSA colors, the brown is the same color, so letting you choose which Alpha lets you use your Retro DSA Alphas if you already have the set.

DSA is the planned profile since the HX-20 and HX-40 that inspired the set are DSA.

And in before Elrick says SA because it's the best profile ever and everything should be done in SA.  DCS is a possibility, but SA will not be done.

This is great man.  Nice to see the red Esc made it in there.   :thumb:

Prefer the dark gray, personally.  And I'd echo Elrick's sentiments about DSA.  It just seems to fit this theme really well.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 03 September 2014, 08:24:28 »
I was working on a very similar design before someone suggested your GB on Deskthority, here is what I thought would be a good recreation of the Epson keyset.

Show Image


http://imgur.com/a/HtviC is the Imgur album of all my work on it. I thought it should be DCS to keep it consistent with the original design and to separate itself from all of the DSA sets being made right now. I also went with brown legends for the modifiers which gives them more pop in my opinion.

Hopefully this set can come to fruition, if you want any help with more photos of my PX-8 or of my design ideas, I would love to contribute.

Well, the plan is to do something like this, pending color rings and choosing from those:

Show Image


Show Image


The brown is TBN, which isn't well represented on the mock up site.

The 60% symmetry set at the bottom will be built into the main set as will the color set.  Then you have a Tsangan and an ISO set.  The modifiers will be the same between the two, but you can buy the grey or the brown Alphas.  Even though the legends will be different from Retro DSA colors, the brown is the same color, so letting you choose which Alpha lets you use your Retro DSA Alphas if you already have the set.

DSA is the planned profile since the HX-20 and HX-40 that inspired the set are DSA.

And in before Elrick says SA because it's the best profile ever and everything should be done in SA.  DCS is a possibility, but SA will not be done.
DSA all the way and I'm in love. Awesome job as usual nubs!!!  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 03 September 2014, 14:50:56 »
Wish this were PBT over ABS...
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 03 September 2014, 15:12:52 »
Wish this were PBT over ABS...

It's impossible to do in PBT.  You can't dyesub light on dark and SP can't do doubleshot PBT.  I love PBT, but you work with the tools you have.
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 03 September 2014, 16:26:40 »
Wish this were PBT over ABS...

It's impossible to do in PBT.  You can't dyesub light on dark and SP can't do doubleshot PBT.  I love PBT, but you work with the tools you have.

At least SP's ABS keycaps should be relatively thick and high quality, right?

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 03 September 2014, 16:37:14 »
Wish this were PBT over ABS...

It's impossible to do in PBT.  You can't dyesub light on dark and SP can't do doubleshot PBT.  I love PBT, but you work with the tools you have.

At least SP's ABS keycaps should be relatively thick and high quality, right?

SP DSA is thicker than DCS, but thinner than Cherry/GMK.

If the quality wasn't good, GH wouldn't do most GBs with them.

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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #46 on: Sun, 07 September 2014, 14:41:14 »
Playing around with the idea of some WASD clusters:








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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #47 on: Sun, 07 September 2014, 15:11:10 »
Playing around with the idea of some WASD clusters:

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Hi nubb.

I love the last one, with the blue WASD.

Are you going to use SP standard font?



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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #48 on: Sun, 07 September 2014, 15:55:18 »
Playing around with the idea of some WASD clusters:

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Orange looks good with grey and brown, but the blue seems to only work with the grey... IMO...  :p
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Re: [IC] Retro Cassette DSA
« Reply #49 on: Sun, 07 September 2014, 16:01:06 »
Wish this were PBT over ABS...

It's impossible to do in PBT.  You can't dyesub light on dark and SP can't do doubleshot PBT.  I love PBT, but you work with the tools you have.

Vortex seems to be having a lot of luck with doubleshot PBT. Even SP has small quantities of doubleshot PBT caps. I think we're just a few years away from seeing fully doubleshot PBT sets as an option from SP.