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Offline Shuki

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« on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 14:09:42 »
I would say I spend most of my time in front of my computer, either browsing forums, playing games or writing up work for college and that entails quite a lot of typing. I used to have a Saitek Eclipse keyboard as at the time it looked a lot better than the standard run of the mill keyboard however my knowledge of keyboards was even more lacking than it is now.

After getting the Saitek keyboard I felt a bit ripped off, the keys just felt like those of a standard cheap keyboard and the backlight seemed to inhibit my view of the keys in the dark rather than increase it. After some time I bought a Logitech G15 Keyboard, and although it had some very gimmicky features (such as the LCD screen) I was still very much unimpressed by the keyboard. I mean it wasn't bad, but it was certainly not worth the increased premium .

I decided to look into steelseries keyboards, as they seemed to offer keyboards that were designed for function rather than form. I thought the 6g and the 7g looked fairly similar and for the smaller price tag I was convinced to buy the 6g. The 6g was obviously a higher build quality than the previous keyboards I had bought. However it was by no means without problems. The keys were very stiff and gave me pains in my little finger when I pressed control in games (I use control to crouch). The keyboard also beeped if I tried to press >4 keys which became increasingly irritating and so I decided to briefly switch back to the loathed G15 while I looked for a new keyboard.

After a bit of searching it was suggested that I buy a Deck Keyboard. Looking at the website and the specifications it seemed like this would actually deliver more bang for buck than the other Razer/Logitech keyboards. Oh and also it looked cool as ****.

Well it's now has been a year since I got my deck, and although some of the LEDs seem to be going on the board I still very much like it. However as I do more reading into the different key switches I am beginning to wonder if there are other keyboards which are even superior to this one. If I am not playing games then I am usually typing so it's important that I have a keyboard which is pleasant to type on as well as game on.

In summary I am inquiring into which switches/keyboards you would recommend for someone who like to play in competitive multiplayer online games as well as someone who also does quite a lot of typing work. In games the obvious important things I think would be, the buttons aren't too stiff (maybe slightly less stiff than the cherry black switches), it should allow multiple key presses >5 should be fine unless I sprout extra fingers, and they probably shouldn't be too tactile or clicky to allow clean button presses.

Thanks in advance for your opinions.

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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #1 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 14:17:02 »
You will probably want a Filco with N-Key Rollover (NKRO) and Cherry brown switches.  There are several versions available from elitekeyboards.com (although the owner is visiting vendors overseas, so it'll be another week or so until he starts shipping again).  The brown switches are tactile but not clicky, and they are much lighter than blacks you have had in your previous 'boards.  As a matter of fact, you might pound on the brown switches so hard at first, you might not even realize they are tactile.  If you are feeling very adventurous, you look at importing a 'board from Japan or Korea that used Cherry reds.  The reds are linear like the blacks, but have the light resistance of the browns.  You can find a list of buying services in the wiki of you decide to check out that route.


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« Reply #2 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 14:17:04 »
Deck just put out tactile boards with Cherry white switches, which are much better for typing than the black switches.

I happen to like buckling spring keyboards for gaming, but that can be kind of tiring if you aren't used to it. On my Model F, the Control key is between Shift and Tab, so it isn't as bad on that finger.

This is just based on my experiences.
Pointing devices- CH Products DT255 (With Lapis Lazuli ball), Razer Salmosa, Logitech MX400
Buckling Springs - IBM Model M 1391401 (1987) & IBM Model F AT
Cherry MX Blue Switches - iOne Scorpius M10 "otaku"(2009) & OCN-branded Ducky keyboard
Cherry MX Brown Switches - Compaq MX11800 & Cherry G80-8963LUBUS-2 (MX8100) & Filco FKBN91M/JB (Japanese Tenkeyless)

Cherry MX Black Switches -  US Micro Products Metal Keyboard USMP-KX065-TB-USB-A
Fake Cherry MX White Switches - Qtronix Scorpius 32 keypad &  Chicony KB-5191
White round SMK Switches - Gold VTech label keyboard
SMK blue Monterrey Switches - Chicony KB-5181
Damped tactile ALPS - Apple AEKII
Blue NEC Switches - NEC APC-H412


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Offline Shuki

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« Reply #3 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 14:20:18 »
It's funny that you should say that because I was looking at the Filco FKBN104M/EB. Judging by what I can see it seems to be perfect. It looks pretty compact, nice layout and NKRO. If it types well then this seems to be what I am looking for.

By tactile I understand that people mean a pronounced bump upon registration of the key press. How pronounced is it in the cherry brown switches? I'm wondering if it would be a hinderence in games if there was too much feedback upon a key press.

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« Reply #4 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 14:22:06 »
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Deck just put out tactile boards with Cherry white switches, which are much better for typing than the black switches.

This is true.  I know the whites are heavier than the browns, and I believe they use the same springs as the blacks, do you wouldn't get any relief from the key resistance if you went that route.
 
Buckling springs (IBM Model M and Unicomp keyboards) are lighter than the Cherry blacks, but they are still a fairly heavy switch.


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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 14:23:13 »
I was going to say browns too. The tactility on the browns is very subtle, so much so that some people have trouble telling them apart from linear switches. However, they have a much lower force than the Black Cherrys you have (45g vs 60g) and they would be much more pleasant for fast typing.

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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 14:24:54 »
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By tactile I understand that people mean a pronounced bump upon registration of the key press. How pronounced is it in the cherry brown switches? I'm wondering if it would be a hinderence in games if there was too much feedback upon a key press.

This would be correct.  Since the browns are designed as a very light switch, the tactile bump is very soft.  Most people that are coming from heavier switches like Cherry blacks and buckling springs don't even notice the tactility at first.  Browns, to be used at their full tactile glory, need a very light touch.  As a comparison, the blacks have 80g of resistance whereas the browns only have 45g.


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« Reply #7 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 14:26:50 »
Hmmm Cherry reds, those sound intriguing. I have pretty much seen youtube videos or reviews of all switches except for cherry green and red switches. I guess I'm a bit of a sucker when buying thing for my computer. I'm a try 'n buy sort of guy (wow intense rhyme). Mostly though I buy new mice as that is the most important input device in games and I also buy a few mousepads as well.



Shameful I know, but I am sure I will have a collection of mechanical keyboards as well soon :$

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« Reply #8 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 14:38:33 »
Cherry greens are only really used as the spacebar switch in Cherry blue-based keyboards.  There is a member here that did a mod to effectively change his Cherry blue 'board to greens.  There are greys, too, but again, they are used mainly as spacebar switches.


Offline Shuki

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« Reply #9 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 14:47:08 »
The spacebar key is very important for a lot of gamers. For example in games such as quake 3 it will be being bashed solidly the whole game, so it would be important to have a responsive switch for it too keep up with the fast paced action as well as having a precise input.

Hmmm, I'm torn now between either a Filco with brown switches or a board with red switches. Where should I be looking for a keyboard with red switches?

For pink keyboards Hello Kitty is king!

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« Reply #10 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 14:58:07 »
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Where should I be looking for a keyboard with red switches?
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Leopold.co.kr might be a good place to start.  I am not sure who is making a Cherry red keyboard right now, though.  They do exist.  You may want to PM Skyian, as he/she has one.


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« Reply #11 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 15:05:49 »
Hmm I guess I'm going to have to install a language pack in order to translate this.

Are these key switches going to become more mainstream anytime soon, so maybe they would be easier to get a hold of?
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« Reply #12 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 15:24:26 »
Is there trouble importing from Korea? I'm not really up to date with customs.

If I order from abroad it's usually from America, the funny thing is the postal service in England is so bad sometimes it's even quicker getting delivery from usps/ups.

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« Reply #13 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 15:28:49 »
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Is there trouble importing from Korea? I'm not really up to date with customs.
 
If I order from abroad it's usually from America, the funny thing is the postal service in England is so bad sometimes it's even quicker getting delivery from usps/ups.

There's nothing out of the ordinary from what I have heard, but you have to use a buying service which can jack up the price.


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« Reply #14 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 15:35:20 »
Hmm well as long is it's "reasonable" I mean if it is worth the extra I would be willing to shell out a little more. I mean my deck keyboard cost $170 + shipping.

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« Reply #15 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 15:41:21 »
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The problem with Leopold.kr is they only accept local currency (Won). Stupid. They will start taking Paypal some web rep said but don't hold your breath.

That from a company called International Leopold.


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« Reply #16 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 16:18:16 »
I bought my deck over a year ago and I knew nothing about keyboards. As far as I knew the alternatives were razer, logitech, steelseries :DDD

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« Reply #17 on: Mon, 03 August 2009, 17:03:32 »
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Actually I was surprised you were having nkey rollover issues with the Steelseries 7G.   I thought somebody here tested that.  Must not have used the right test or did it wrong.

I got the 6G because it was cheaper.

Wise investment right? ¬_¬

Edit : Hopefully the FKBN104M/EB will be better :D
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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 09:50:53 »
Coming from rubber dome to brown switch, i feel strange while playing game. It seems so wrong lol.
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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 10:06:14 »
Hmm, why is that? Is it the tactility of the keys?

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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 11:00:10 »
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Hmm, why is that? Is it the tactility of the keys?

The browns are probably a lot less stiff.


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« Reply #21 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 11:36:48 »
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Hmm, why is that? Is it the tactility of the keys?


Lightness, and bumps aren't noticeable. Hmm not just that I don't think Model M will also do any good for me. I guess it's because the depth of the keys(hard to keep pace with the game), or maybe I had been using rubber dome too long, and don't have many board collections. It just doesn't feel right hehe. I even think it's better without tactility.

If you're coming from rubber dome/scissor/low profile board, u might not like mechanical board, especially for gaming.
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Offline Shuki

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« Reply #22 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 12:16:47 »
I changed from rubber dome, to cherry black switches and I much prefer it for typing and gaming.

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« Reply #23 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 12:45:39 »
Gaming is best done with a low or no tactile switch, hence why blacks are so sought after (and it's linear force). I guess browns would be good because of it's low tactility. I personally didn't mind it, and it was better to game on than my blue cherries and my HHKB. I don't gave competitively enough to hang onto it though

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« Reply #24 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 13:29:41 »
I guess I might try and find a board with red cherry switches as well as they too are linear force and apparently are a lot softer than the black switches.

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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 14:09:31 »
Do you find the blacks in your deck exhausting to game on?

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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 14:24:45 »
Only my little finger in games where I crouch with ctrl. My other fingers are fine it's just my little finger that's affected. Sometimes it can be quite painful :(

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« Reply #27 on: Thu, 06 August 2009, 09:24:59 »

looks nice.

try it.
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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 06 August 2009, 12:16:51 »
Cherry red G80-3494 . You may try to get a Cherry red keyboard from Taiwan or China. Rigth now, Cherry Co does not sell the red switches to other companies.
Realforce 103U-UW
IBM PC/AT 84 key
Unicomp On-the-Ball
Cherry G80-3000LQCEU-0
Filco FKBN104M/EB
KBtalKing cherry blue
Alps Glidepoint
Strong Man Smk-7120XPT Taiwan white switch

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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 06 August 2009, 13:22:14 »
A Cherry Red with half the throw?....would be sublime for gaming.

Long throw keys, IMO, suck for gaming.