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Offline texteur

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« Reply #30 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 04:37:04 »
Quote from: AndrewZorn;125853
having a matte texture is one thing.  but even the elitekeyboards rep admits that the COATING wears off quickly.  no matter how much you wash your hands.  so it is a short-term effect.

the topre cap texture will not ever wear 'off', because it IS the cap, but it will WEAR, and be shiny someday... but at least they use materials to avoid this.


I like to see the use that has been made of an object. No piece of furniture can be nicer than an old wooden family table with its old scratches, marks that keep remembrance of all the lunches and breakfeasts of good and bad days.

I think that keyboards belong to the family of the workbenches, those objects/tools made to work, to suffer and have fun, sometimes. This fair wair and tear of your keyboard is the proof that you use it. It's like the patina of time we can find in old and second-hand books: some scars, an old paper perfume and the name of the previous owner written on the front page.

Traces of human artefacts, vestiges of mankind...
IBM Model M Space Saver, 1391472, PS/2, US layout, year 1987 | Apple Standard Keyboard, M0118, ADB, Swiss French layout, year 1987 | IBM Model M, 1391401, PS/2, US layout, year 1988 | IBM Model M Space Saver, 1392934, PS/2, US layout, year 1988 | IBM Model M, 1391403, PS/2, German layout, year 1988 | IBM Model M, 1391403, PS/2, German layout, year 1991 | Apple Extended Keyboard II, M3501, ADB, ANSI layout, year 1995 | DSI Switch Mac Keyboard, SMK-88SMK88-EM/JM, Black Cherry Switches, USB 1.1 & 2.0, ANSI layout, year 2006 | Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2, white with blank keycaps, PD-KB400WN, Topre 45g switches, USB, UNIX key layout, year 2007 | Das Keyboard Ultimate, DASK3, USB, European layout, year 2008 | Topre Realforce 86U, SE0500, USB, ANSI layout, ergonomically weighted switches, year 2009 | Topre Realforce 87UB, SE1700, USB, ANSI layout, ergonomically weighted switches, year 2009 | Filco Majestouch "Otaku", FKBN104MC/NPEK, Blue Cherry MX switches, USB, ANSI layout, year 2009 | Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless Tactile Touch, FKBN87M/EB, Brown Cherry MX Switches, USB, 87 Key ANSI layout, year 2009 | Filco Majestouch Ten Key Extended Keypad, FKB22MB, Brown Cherry MX Switches, USB, year 2009
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #31 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 08:19:45 »
If all my keys were shiny like Ripster's Esc key, I would have no problem with it.  My issue is that some keys get shinier faster than others, so there is an uneveness in texture, and this gives the 'board a worn/old look.  If all the keys looked the same, it would bother me a lot less.
 
Like ripster said, shiny happens.  It would happen slower with a different plastic and texture, perhaps, but it still happens.  The key here (no pun intended) is that the letters do not wear like in lesser keyboards with printed caps.


Offline texteur

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« Reply #32 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 08:40:29 »
Quote from: ripster;125814
I kinda like shiny.
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From what do you have so much to escape? ;-)
IBM Model M Space Saver, 1391472, PS/2, US layout, year 1987 | Apple Standard Keyboard, M0118, ADB, Swiss French layout, year 1987 | IBM Model M, 1391401, PS/2, US layout, year 1988 | IBM Model M Space Saver, 1392934, PS/2, US layout, year 1988 | IBM Model M, 1391403, PS/2, German layout, year 1988 | IBM Model M, 1391403, PS/2, German layout, year 1991 | Apple Extended Keyboard II, M3501, ADB, ANSI layout, year 1995 | DSI Switch Mac Keyboard, SMK-88SMK88-EM/JM, Black Cherry Switches, USB 1.1 & 2.0, ANSI layout, year 2006 | Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2, white with blank keycaps, PD-KB400WN, Topre 45g switches, USB, UNIX key layout, year 2007 | Das Keyboard Ultimate, DASK3, USB, European layout, year 2008 | Topre Realforce 86U, SE0500, USB, ANSI layout, ergonomically weighted switches, year 2009 | Topre Realforce 87UB, SE1700, USB, ANSI layout, ergonomically weighted switches, year 2009 | Filco Majestouch "Otaku", FKBN104MC/NPEK, Blue Cherry MX switches, USB, ANSI layout, year 2009 | Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless Tactile Touch, FKBN87M/EB, Brown Cherry MX Switches, USB, 87 Key ANSI layout, year 2009 | Filco Majestouch Ten Key Extended Keypad, FKB22MB, Brown Cherry MX Switches, USB, year 2009
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« Reply #33 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 08:44:39 »
Quote from: texteur;125954
From what do you have so much to escape? ;-)

Strange how the key is so shiny that its actually less reflective than the keys around it.
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Buckling Springs - IBM Model M 1391401 (1987) & IBM Model F AT
Cherry MX Blue Switches - iOne Scorpius M10 "otaku"(2009) & OCN-branded Ducky keyboard
Cherry MX Brown Switches - Compaq MX11800 & Cherry G80-8963LUBUS-2 (MX8100) & Filco FKBN91M/JB (Japanese Tenkeyless)

Cherry MX Black Switches -  US Micro Products Metal Keyboard USMP-KX065-TB-USB-A
Fake Cherry MX White Switches - Qtronix Scorpius 32 keypad &  Chicony KB-5191
White round SMK Switches - Gold VTech label keyboard
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Offline AndrewZorn

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« Reply #34 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 09:12:21 »
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I like to see the use that has been made of an object. No piece of furniture can be nicer than an old wooden family table with its old scratches, marks that keep remembrance of all the lunches and breakfeasts of good and bad days.

I think that keyboards belong to the family of the workbenches, those objects/tools made to work, to suffer and have fun, sometimes. This fair wair and tear of your keyboard is the proof that you use it. It's like the patina of time we can find in old and second-hand books: some scars, an old paper perfume and the name of the previous owner written on the front page.

Traces of human artefacts, vestiges of mankind...

no, the table you describe would not have some crappy varnish on top, peeling at the edges.  it would be wood worn smooth from use.
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Offline texteur

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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 09:25:52 »
Quote from: AndrewZorn;125965
no, the table you describe would not have some crappy varnish on top, peeling at the edges.  it would be wood worn smooth from use.


That's true, I admit!
IBM Model M Space Saver, 1391472, PS/2, US layout, year 1987 | Apple Standard Keyboard, M0118, ADB, Swiss French layout, year 1987 | IBM Model M, 1391401, PS/2, US layout, year 1988 | IBM Model M Space Saver, 1392934, PS/2, US layout, year 1988 | IBM Model M, 1391403, PS/2, German layout, year 1988 | IBM Model M, 1391403, PS/2, German layout, year 1991 | Apple Extended Keyboard II, M3501, ADB, ANSI layout, year 1995 | DSI Switch Mac Keyboard, SMK-88SMK88-EM/JM, Black Cherry Switches, USB 1.1 & 2.0, ANSI layout, year 2006 | Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2, white with blank keycaps, PD-KB400WN, Topre 45g switches, USB, UNIX key layout, year 2007 | Das Keyboard Ultimate, DASK3, USB, European layout, year 2008 | Topre Realforce 86U, SE0500, USB, ANSI layout, ergonomically weighted switches, year 2009 | Topre Realforce 87UB, SE1700, USB, ANSI layout, ergonomically weighted switches, year 2009 | Filco Majestouch "Otaku", FKBN104MC/NPEK, Blue Cherry MX switches, USB, ANSI layout, year 2009 | Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless Tactile Touch, FKBN87M/EB, Brown Cherry MX Switches, USB, 87 Key ANSI layout, year 2009 | Filco Majestouch Ten Key Extended Keypad, FKB22MB, Brown Cherry MX Switches, USB, year 2009
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Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #36 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 12:02:52 »
So, has the OP been told "not to judge his filco, but to love it"?  In accordance with GH's new policy of selling filco's at any cost?

I mean how dare he threaten filco sales with such a question! xD

Right?  xD

I didnt read the 44 posts above, I figure they'll just piss me off.

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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #37 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 12:17:03 »
The answer is two parts:
 
-Filco keys go shiny quickly; this sucks and is a trait shared by, generally, lower quality keyboards.
 
-Plastic is plastic, and regardless of the type or how long it takes, it will eventually go shiny.  It might take a week, it might take a year, it might take five years, but it's going to happen.
 
The idea is to present the facts, and let people draw their own conclusions.  I, for one, think that Filco caps going shiny in about 2 weeks is indicitave of low quality since I have a keyboard with POM caps that look brand new, and I have had that 'board longer.  To say, however, that the other 'board's keys will never go shiny would be silly.


Offline msiegel

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« Reply #38 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 12:25:49 »
Quote from: wellington1869;126039
So, has the OP been told "not to judge his filco, but to love it"?  In accordance with GH's new policy of selling filco's at any cost?

I mean how dare he threaten filco sales with such a question! xD

Right?  xD

I didnt read the 44 posts above, I figure they'll just piss me off.


come on welly, you know they don't make keyboards "like they used to".

and by they i mean everybody :)

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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 12:35:33 »
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I'm not even using the standard issue keys

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Offline AndrewZorn

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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 12:45:11 »
he meant to do ,,, but the comma was so worn he got confused
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #41 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 12:46:07 »
Dammit, I think even my keycaps are transposed.


Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #42 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 12:50:29 »
The keys on my M1s went shiny just as fast, but I have the older model.  Maybe they changed the coating when they changed the font on the keys.


Offline mike2h

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« Reply #43 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 12:57:17 »
lmao -> posts 51-53

i know my lettering will never wear of on my deck, but was wondering about the feel of my keys- they are almost smooth with a very lite texture that i really like. while i would prefer for them to stay in their prisitne state this obviously isnt going to happen. the keys are concave so they tend to 'catch' my fingers anyway so losing that little bit of texture is non issue, just an asthetics thing.
 its no big deal, just a curiosty thing brought on by the heated battle in this thread. :)

Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #44 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 12:59:20 »
Quote from: itlnstln;126055

The idea is to present the facts, and let people draw their own conclusions.  

This is exactly what I'd like to see on this site... and that means from time to time we will have to say things vendors dont want us to say, even on threads where vendors are participating.

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-Plastic is plastic, and regardless of the type or how long it takes, it will eventually go shiny.  It might take a week, it might take a year, it might take five years, but it's going to happen.


but the devil is in the details -- coating coming off in a month versus letters wearing off after 5 years (as on my toshiba laptop) are very, very different things, and worth differentiating between.  Let alone differences between key construction itself.

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 To say, however, that the other 'board's keys will never go shiny would be silly.


at the same time, to even imply that printed keys are the same as laser etched keys or dye sublimated keys or double shot keys, would be equally silly, right?  
Ripster taught me that. There's a reason why YOU GUYS taught ME the VALUE of the different types of keys, and why I came to believe that consumers -- as part of their awareness when they shell out big bucks for an expensive keyboard - should be made aware of those differences too.

Only an informed consumer can be a non-sucker in this marketplace which is filled with crappy elements on boards sold as, er, whats the word?  Special? High Class? Lets just say "expensive".

For instance, if I want crappy controllers and keys that wear, I shouldnt have to spend more than $20 on amazon. One has to know what they're getting and what they're not getting for this kind of money. And that means we have to be able to discuss good and bad points freely.

We have to be able to inform consumers when we find differences in quality in different constructions (in controllers, in keys, whatever). And not feel uncomfortable that we're going to hurt a vendor's feelings.

The vendors would like nothing more than for us to say that the flaws on that vendor's boards "are just like" the flaws on "any" board. But thats just not true. Different boards have different flaws. Some ARE better than others in certain things, even at similar price points.

Its up to the consumer to decide based on their purchasing priorities. But they cant decide if they're not informed. Ripster's tests of different keys (and his discussion of comparative quality) is invaluable. It taught me to be more aware of key differences where I was not aware before. Why would anyone (even ripster himself) want to downplay the value of that awareness? Where else would such a discussion take place on the internet except at geekhack? So long as it remains free and an enthusiasts site rather than a shopping mall, that is.

The only thing we can count on vendors to do is make a sales pitch. I'm not going to participate in that. They dont need help from us in making the monolithic sales pitch.

If a vendor has a crappy return policy - we should be able to say so without fear. Return policy's arent "the same" any more than keys are.

I'll get off the soap box now, but I feel I cant make these points strongly enough.  I really dont want to see GH be infiltrated by vendors talking points. This is really a structural change in the make-up of the site, I feel, and something worth discussing and guarding against.
« Last Edit: Fri, 16 October 2009, 13:05:45 by wellington1869 »

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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #45 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 13:01:14 »
Quote from: webwit;126087
Note that the M1 coating was defined as the inferior one.

That said, I couldn't tell the difference between them and my Majestouch.  My M1s are the older model/revision, though, so it might have had the same coating as the Majestouch.  I couldn't imagine it being any worse, though.


Offline AndrewZorn

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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 13:03:44 »
Quote from: wellington
wapkwfopyufkwpowfke
yeah that's basically the post that sums it up, without the jokes.

i mean, i should make a keyboard with G15 keycaps and an old DAS controller and the Deck layout...
BUT AS LONG AS IT HAS THOSE CHERRY SWITCHES... ZOMG!
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #47 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 13:11:44 »
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but the devil is in the details -- coating coming off in a month versus letters wearing off after 5 years (as on my toshiba laptop) are very, very different things, and worth differentiating between. Let alone differences between key construction itself.

Apples and oranges.  The letters don't wear off on the Filco, either.  This is exactly the point.  The coating might come off and the plastic goes shiny, but the letters don't wear off.
 
I bet the caps on your Toshiba are pretty shiny, too.


Offline AndrewZorn

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« Reply #48 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 13:17:18 »
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Apples and oranges.  The letters don't wear off on the Filco, either.  This is exactly the point.  The coating might come off and the plastic goes shiny, but the letters don't wear off.
 
I bet the caps on your Toshiba are pretty shiny, too.

but this is exactly the point.

no spraypaint: letters take years to wear, quality still not as good as doubleshot, blah blah blah... FINE.  that's ok.  the filco is cheaper.

spraypaint: keys look crappier after a month.  years down the line there's still going to be some keys showing SOME coating, as in, still worse than just normal, even wear.

and with the incessant "ah well they have to cut costs somewhere so they can stay in operation, affordable products, $5 worth of keycaps is impossible, etc"... if they stopped spending money on this spray, maybe some money could be saved and put to better use.
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Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #49 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 13:29:20 »
(And with regards to Filco Key Wear, if the question comes up and anyone (the vendor or anyone else), asks again with a straight face, "Where'd you hear that?!", I'm putting links to this thread and related threads in the Alps Wiki, under a topic titled "discussions about filco key wear/key quality").
That was the question (by the vendor with a straight face: "Where'd you hear that?!") that launched this detour after all.

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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #50 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 13:30:37 »
Quote from: AndrewZorn;126098
spraypaint: keys look crappier after a month. years down the line there's still going to be some keys showing SOME coating, as in, still worse than just normal, even wear.

See these posts:
 
http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=125785&postcount=11
 
http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=125814&postcount=19
 
Special K's keyboard is the first time I have seen this "spraypainted" phenomenon.  You are also assuming that you can see the coating.  Comparing my original, coated keys to my uncoated blank keys, there is no visible difference (other than Special K's problem); they look identical.  You can, however see evidence on the underside of a coated cap by some "waterspots" from the coating being sprayed on.
 
That said, and for those reasons above, I agree with you.  The coating seems pretty pointless, and they could save some money, hopefully for the consumer, by not using it.


Offline AndrewZorn

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« Reply #51 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 13:50:57 »
an invisible coating, while invisible when uniformly spread, is usually visible at the 'edge' of where it starts and stops...
but i will say no more until i see it for myself (or don't!)
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #52 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 13:56:37 »
Quote from: ripster;126117
Here's my shiny spacebar (I had this in the key wiki but since it's coming up again). I can't tell where the coating has worn off. Pretty invisible transition.
 
And if we're gonna start QFTing all over the place (how annoying) this is the post that Majestouch was responding to. Technically all he was talking about was the letters, not the shininess.

Thank you, ripster.  I think we're all done here.  No more talk of Filco key cap wear.  This post/pic pretty much says it all.


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« Reply #53 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 14:03:21 »
okay, so maybe it really IS just that one guy.
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Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #54 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 17:01:27 »
Quote from: itlnstln;126096
Apples and oranges.  The letters don't wear off on the Filco, either.  This is exactly the point.  The coating might come off and the plastic goes shiny, but the letters don't wear off.
 
I bet the caps on your Toshiba are pretty shiny, too.


I see, so now the new rule is: printed lettering is same as laser etched?
on what basis exactly?

And on what basis are you saying the keys dont look like crap in the meanwhile while you're waiting for the silk screen to come off? Because you dont like "that one guy's" pictures?  
If you want more pictures thats reason to DEFER judgement, not hastily rush to it.


On what basis are you saying with such certainty that:
-while the coating comes off
-while the keys get shiny
Both indicating wear from contact with fingers,
-the printed letters are magically going to remain?

On what basis? Logic? nope. Faith? ya, faith.

My toshiba keys are shiny alright -- right over the half-erased lettering.
« Last Edit: Fri, 16 October 2009, 17:07:30 by wellington1869 »

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« Reply #55 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 17:04:35 »
Quote from: ripster;126117
Here's my shiny spacebar (I had this in the key wiki but since it's coming up again).  I can't tell where the coating has worn off.  Pretty invisible transition.


thats strange, ripster -- the OP seems to have "noticed" it.

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I was quite disappointed to find yesterday morning that the S key on my 1-month old FKBN104MC/EB already has a little spot in the center of it where the special coating seems to have worn off.
....
Now that I take a closer look, I'm starting to notice a similar spot on the right side of the spacebar.


BUT IF YOU DIDNT, THEN THERE MUST BE NO PROBLEM HERE. I GUESS HE"S JUST NUTS, HUH?


Or did the cavalry successfully convince him he was seeing things?
Seeing things again, as we customers tend to do, I guess.

It must be our fault - OP, TRY PUTTING YOUR FINGERS LESS ON THE KEYS, THAT WILL "SOLVE" THE KEY WEAR ISSUE.

Ah, another customer's problem solved.
« Last Edit: Fri, 16 October 2009, 17:29:54 by wellington1869 »

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Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #56 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 17:11:18 »
Quote from: ripster

And if we're gonna start QFTing all over the place (how annoying) this is the post that Majestouch was responding to. Technically all he was talking about was the letters, not the shininess.


You used the right word ripster -- "technically".

Now, this is interesting.

So, geekhack responders in the thread should therefore NOT point out to the OP that:
1) the posts he was reading was about key/coating wear.  WHy not point that out to him? Only one reason.
2) Not point him to other threads discussing this. WHy not? Only one reason.
3) Not point out to him that long standing opinion at GH (not to mention the facts on the ground) are that nearly any other style of keyboard contruction will last longer than printed letters. Why not point that out to him? only one reason.

In other words, we should have -- like the vendor -- carefully delineated the conversation in a way that is carefully benefiicial to the vendor. Thats what ripster is saying. "Technically."

Fanboys? Maybe. Rushing to judgement? Sure. An abundance of misdirected politeness for the vendor? Of course.

Fanboys? Maybe...

Serving geekhackers interests? No.  Helping the vendor bury criticism? Definitely.
« Last Edit: Fri, 16 October 2009, 17:18:12 by wellington1869 »

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Offline SCTony

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« Reply #57 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 17:16:11 »
I'll just chime in to say that this issue stopped me from seriously considering getting one of these boards. Everything else about them I like, but the finish coming off would just bug me. I keep waiting to see if they consider it enough of an issue to change the keys. I am in no hurry now that I've found a Model F :whistle:
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Offline msiegel

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« Reply #58 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 17:18:17 »
they won't, but congratulations on the model f
:D :D

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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #59 on: Fri, 16 October 2009, 17:20:25 »
I haven't had any problems with the finish on my Model F's keycaps!

*ducks for cover*