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Das Keyboard III vs FILCO
« on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 05:47:24 »
The question is why FILCO is better than Das? I read that Das has some controller problems, but is there any other things that Filco surpass Das?
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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 06:00:01 »
its your opinion if you forget the controller issues.The das case looks better for me and the filco keys are far better then the das keys. Also the klicky sound is differed for me.

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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 06:11:48 »
Build quality is meant to be better on the Filcos. Ive seen more than one bashed up Das

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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 07:03:19 »
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Build quality is meant to be better on the Filcos. Ive seen more than one bashed up Das

meant??? i have the most of the filcos and all the das until version 3 without S.
So i can compare. Just i say each one has a differed opinion.

I am not a das funboy but it is not so bad as you think.


If i chose between das or filco then i take TOPRE.

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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 07:16:03 »
The Das is designed by a marketing company, the Filco is designed by a keyboard company, therein lies the issues of quality control on the Das side.
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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 07:32:23 »
Quote from: leos;142542
meant??? i have the most of the filcos and all the das until version 3 without S.
So i can compare. Just i say each one has a differed opinion.

I am not a das funboy but it is not so bad as you think.

Based my opinion on a number of bashed up Das 3s I have seen. Filcos don't have that problem.

Also, are you saying that you have all of them up to and including the Das 3, or do you not have one?

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If i chose between das or filco then i take TOPRE.

I know this going to flame war............................

Topres are well built alright, but that doesn't have much to do with what the OP asked.
« Last Edit: Tue, 15 December 2009, 07:40:10 by ch_123 »

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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 07:38:33 »
if the people behind the Das admit problems, how can you say it is better than a filco
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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 08:15:03 »
Quote from: ch_123;142548
Based my opinion on a number of bashed up Das 3s I have seen. Filcos don't have that problem.

Also, are you saying that you have all of them up to and including the Das 3, or do you not have one?


yea i know the das3 has the controler issue. and yes i have all the das except the das "s". I just say that the build quality is not so bad as you think.
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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 08:19:35 »
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The Das is designed by a marketing company, the Filco is designed by a keyboard company, therein lies the issues of quality control on the Das side.


dont think so, because both of them they are come from a real keyboard company...
both are oem boards

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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 08:22:12 »
Quote from: leos;142556
dont think so, because both of them they are come from a real keyboard company...
both are oem boards

costar

There's a difference between design and manufacturing. I almost think Diatech designed their own controllers, considering how almost every other branded costar keyboard seems to have some issue or another.
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Offline leos

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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 08:25:20 »
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if the people behind the Das admit problems, how can you say it is better than a filco


i dont say its better i say that some things on das like better then on the filco.

1, the case
2, the leds

due the controller issues its no comperable to a filco.

i would like to have one keyboard with the look of das and the keys of a filco. Without controller problems.
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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 08:31:13 »
Quote from: timw4mail;142557
There's a difference between design and manufacturing. I almost think Diatech designed their own controllers, considering how almost every other branded costar keyboard seems to have some issue or another.


any proof that Diatec designed their own controllers? they have also problems.

filco test


filco another test

filco again

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Offline AndrewZorn

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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 08:56:12 »
yes but das is a lot less perfect!!!!!!

EDIT arent those all Zero boards?  filco = majestouch around here
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Offline 1839cc

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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 08:59:21 »
Wasn't it the ALPS based Filcos that had that issue, and not the ones with Cherry switches?
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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 09:07:02 »
I have both but would go with the filco.

The filco has better keys, the letters are wearing  off on the Das after about a year of use.The filco is still going strong.

The Das is all shiny which may be a plus for some users. For me it looks cheap and shows smudges and finger prints to easily.

I  don't have the issue with the controller that some do, but maybe thats because I don't type over 100 wpm.
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« Reply #15 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 09:12:43 »
Quote from: AndrewZorn;142564
yes but das is a lot less perfect!!!!!!

EDIT arent those all Zero boards?  filco = majestouch around here


onother filco link

not all of them



youtube user is wellington1869....maybe a geekhack member??
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« Reply #16 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 09:19:13 »
Quote from: leos;142572
onother filco link

not all of them



youtube user is wellington1869....maybe a geekhack member??


Yes, that's a Filco Zero he's using. The Majestouch ones don't have those problems.

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« Reply #17 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 09:21:27 »
Quote from: bigpook;142569
I have both but would go with the filco.

The filco has better keys, the letters are wearing  off on the Das after about a year of use.The filco is still going strong.


yes the keys are superior

Quote from: bigpook;142569
The Das is all shiny which may be a plus for some users. For me it looks cheap and shows smudges and finger prints to easily.

its your point of view. i like shiny. Like the ps3

Quote from: bigpook;142569

I  don't have the issue with the controller that some do, but maybe thats because I don't type over 100 wpm.


btw, i can reproduce the issues on das because i write lot in bursts.
words like.... the , das, data, klären, nockenwelle, and many others.
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« Reply #18 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 09:30:02 »
Sounds like you may like the Das then, but the controller issue will hose you.

Filco?

I have a PS3 too. Its on the shelf and I  don't actually touch the shiny parts. I dust it occasionaly.
Shiny is personal pref., its all good.

All in all, I like the filco better mostly because its not shiny. The letters wearing off of the keys can be a show stopper for some people, I don't really care so much.
The filco is also cleaner looking to me. But all of that is just my personal opinion.
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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 09:30:05 »
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Yes, that's a Filco Zero he's using. The Majestouch ones don't have those problems.


you are right, i found this link
geekhack

i asume because i collect the boards and dont use them, going to this mistake.

seems only the fukka filco has this problems.
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« Reply #20 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 09:36:54 »
Quote from: bigpook;142581
Sounds like you may like the Das then, but the controller issue will hose you.

Filco?

I have a PS3 too. Its on the shelf and I  don't actually touch the shiny parts. I dust it occasionaly.
Shiny is personal pref., its all good.



like the das shiny look ....yes alot, not the errors.
btw, here in germany we have only the choice to go das, because we dont have a distri company for filco or topre.

i use @work and @home only topre. I collect every mechanical keyboard i found on ebay or lokal markts here.
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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 09:42:09 »
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Old Das versus Filco review here.  In terms of the most important thing, key feel, the two are almost identical.   Haven't seen the new one yet.  They are taking preorders (again.)



we must wait until early 2010 to take a look to the new das ssss.
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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 09:46:35 »
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And remember even on that Fukka Filco the problem was not felt to be as bad as the Das's.   So in other words, plenty of people have used the Filco Fukka and never seen the problem.

same with the das if you dont write above 100WPM

how much is 100 wpm in charakters per min???
---edit---
google helps us wikipedia

i think i am under 100wpm. if i use this open source trainer i ll make 470+ keystrokes per min. If i use tprx i make 132 wpm.
who has right?
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Das has superior distribution and (usually) marketing.   The stupid Japanese keep cranking out keyboards like this.

Not in europe

look at the big shops and you find nothing about a "das"
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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 10:02:18 »
Quote from: leos;142588
same with the das if you dont write above 100WPM

how much is 100 wpm in charakters per min???



Not in europe

look at the big shops and you find nothing about a "das"

100 wpm is 500 cpm.

But it is not the sustained speed that is the problem it is the bursts, like you said before on words like the, and , .com stuff like that it might cause a problem.  The first review I saw of the zero fukka the problem was with notepad becoming ntoepad because he bursts that word very very quickly.

But I'm typing on a zero fukka right now, and have been for about a week and have only had it transpose a few times, and it was on very very fast roll.  I type regularly at about 80 wpm and get up to 100 if I'm trying to type for speed.
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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 10:28:20 »
FWIW, I have the fukka filco and don't have a problem with transposition errors.
It's a nice keyboard too.
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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 10:45:54 »
Quote from: bigpook;142594
FWIW, I have the fukka filco and don't have a problem with transposition errors.
It's a nice keyboard too.


Yeah I'm loving it!  Definitely a good purchase.
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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 11:03:11 »
I find the das great for typing, I never hit the transposition problem, although I have had to modify my pattern of typing just for this keyboard.

This is how I type now:  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik5MgEas3VY

It's awesome because I never transpose letters anymore.  Thank you das keyboard you have changed my life.
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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 12:11:18 »
Quote from: leos;142584
like the das shiny look ....yes alot, not the errors.
btw, here in germany we have only the choice to go das, because we dont have a distri company for filco or topre.

i use @work and @home only topre. I collect every mechanical keyboard i found on ebay or lokal markts here.


There's a company in the UK that sells them. They ship to Europe too. Some company in Finland sells Topres too.

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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 12:18:31 »
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There's a company in the UK that sells them. They ship to Europe too. Some company in Finland sells Topres too.


keyboardco.com??? ...they dont have differed filcos until mid Januar.
and www.verkkokauppa.com in finland ....sells only the 105keys Realforce.

if you know another company who sells the HHKB and the realfonce ansi layout plz tell us.
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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 12:20:06 »
Keyboardco sells the ANSI Filcos already.