Author Topic: Truly Ergenomic (Read 29672 times)

FunkTrooper · « **on:** Sat, 16 January 2010, 09:48:09 »

So, what does geekhack think of this: http://www.trulyergonomic.com/

I think it looks rather nice. It'll have some sort of Cherry Switch, and the layout looks nice. I'd like to see more emphasis on not having to leave the home row though, like more modifier keys, and embedder arrow keys and page up/down etc. (like Happy Hacking, but with better key placement)

ch_123 · « **Reply #1 on:** Sat, 16 January 2010, 09:59:17 »

The staggering of the keys is interesting. I assume this is to accomodate the different lengths of the fingers you are meant to use the particular column of keys with... but I thought that it was good ergonomic practice to type with your fingers angled downwards, which somewhat negates the fact that your fingers are of a different length, and would probably just be confusing to use.

That said, ergonomics is not something that I read into much asides from the basics.

Oh, and get ready for the standard Webwit "It's not ergonomic unless you can adjust the angle of the keyboard" rant.

Mental Hobbit · « **Reply #2 on:** Sat, 16 January 2010, 12:56:04 »

Keys for the longest fingers elevated, keys for the shortest fingers recessed?
I don't get that.

didjamatic · « **Reply #3 on:** Sat, 16 January 2010, 13:00:01 »

I like the copy/cut/paste keys. At a glance I don't like the / \ key locations, but maybe I could get used to it. The home/end/pgup/pgdn location is interesting.

I think this layout would be pretty easy to learn

Can't do 1 handed ctrl alt del so that's a negative for me

quadibloc · « **Reply #4 on:** Sat, 16 January 2010, 13:35:05 »

Adjusting the staggering of the keys for the lengths of the fingers has happened before. The Palantype keyboard - which is the layout normally used in Britain for syllable chord typing for court reporting and closed captioning, the way Stenotype is used in America - was laid out in that fashion.

ricercar · « **Reply #5 on:** Sat, 16 January 2010, 16:41:44 »

I hope the US doesn't continue with Palintype politicking.

spolia optima · « **Reply #6 on:** Sat, 16 January 2010, 17:30:29 »

I hope they change the legends to Palatino Linotype.

djones · « **Reply #7 on:** Sat, 16 January 2010, 22:18:45 »

Unless the split is adjustable, it's not 'truly ergonomic' to anyone but the few people who happen to anatomically match the angel of the split.

JasonFruit · « **Reply #8 on:** Sun, 17 January 2010, 09:18:35 »

"Angel of the split" calls up so many mental pictures . . .

itlnstln · « **Reply #9 on:** Mon, 18 January 2010, 08:05:23 »

I don't like where the page nav and arrow keys are. I think I would be accidently pressing them quite often.

Rajagra · « **Reply #10 on:** Mon, 18 January 2010, 08:43:43 »

Quote from: itlnstln;151758

I don't like where the page nav and arrow keys are. I think I would be accidently pressing them quite often.

That's exactly what I thought when I first saw it. Those keys could be moved down a little to separate them from the main typing keys.

But the more I think about it, the more I suspect it wouldn't be a problem. You never hit space when you aim for C or V on a standard keyboard, do you? Maybe with practice, those keys would be in the ideal place - very easy to reach. I really want to try one of these out.

itlnstln · « **Reply #11 on:** Mon, 18 January 2010, 08:45:35 »

I'm a palm rester, though. It's not that I think I am going to hit them with a finger but with my palm.

hyperlinked · « **Reply #12 on:** Tue, 19 January 2010, 02:19:47 »

Quote from: itlnstln;151766

I'm a palm rester, though. It's not that I think I am going to hit them with a finger but with my palm.

So.... I don't know what your hands look like, but it seems to me that even as a palm rester that it might not be all that easy to accidentally hit those keys with your palm. I find the diamond arrow keys shape to be more of an issue. I have a hell of a time with anything that's not an inverted T.

Looks like an interesting idea for a keyboard though... kinda like a poor man's Maltron.

hyperlinked · « **Reply #13 on:** Tue, 19 January 2010, 05:32:27 »

Just noticed that Rajagra spotted this keyboard a few weeks ago:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=8245#5

hoggy · « **Reply #14 on:** Fri, 26 February 2010, 14:09:39 »

There's a survey on the site so we can give feedback, but they don't have the courage or decency to invite feedback about features we don't like.

It's close - having features I like, but has lots of minor issues that I don't - most of which are listed above.

trulyhealthy · « **Reply #15 on:** Wed, 03 March 2010, 20:13:14 »

Quote from: ripster;151279

Poll results are tabulated by Nigerians.

Why the obsession with Nigerians?? Something to do with District 9?
:alien:

Quote from: hoggy;160955

There's a survey on the site so we can give feedback, but they don't have the courage or decency to invite feedback about features we don't like.

It might just be me, but they DO have the question “Features you would like to see added or don't like?” a good place to provide insight and features we wish for.
:ohwell:

Quote

.

As a remark, the directional arrow keys in diamond arrangement as per this keyboard (3 columns, 2 rows) is better than an inverted T; will just have to fine-tune some muscle memory. Not to be confused with the awful diamond arrangement used in the Natural Elite (2 columns, 3 rows).

lal · « **Reply #16 on:** Wed, 10 March 2010, 02:51:27 »

Quote from: trulyhealthy;161717

Why the obsession with Nigerians?? Something to do with District 9?

No.

trievalot · « **Reply #17 on:** Wed, 10 March 2010, 04:25:39 »

anyone done the 7 minute survey?
i only did the 2 min (took 1.5)

and it needs a giant trackball built in.

Sam · « **Reply #18 on:** Sat, 07 August 2010, 00:42:01 »

I'm a new member here because I found the website for this keyboard and googling for more info on it found this thread.

Anyone have any feeling for how real / serious this company is? They list August 12, 2010 as the pre-release order date. I had my heart set on the Miniguru, but with that project canceled, this one looks interesting. From earlier comments in this thread and a few other threads, seems they've made some changes based on feedback. They say there will be a limited run of 1,000 keyboards made.

Makes me wonder why if they think they can be successful with only 1,000 units, why couldn't Miniguru be successful at 1,000 units. I doubt the additional components amounted to that much of a difference in production costs.

I still would have preferred the Miniguru, though this keyboard's ergonomic concept is enticing. I do like their idea of not having staggered keys, but rather having them placed in a row at the angle your hands/fingers are pointed. I'm a pretty fast touch-typist, but it is definitely less natural for me to hit the keys off the home row using my left hand, being my fingers need to move off the the left/right rather than straight in the same direction my fingers are pointed.

Forsaken · « **Reply #19 on:** Sat, 07 August 2010, 00:59:06 »

Seems they're not stating a price.... I do really like the design though.

Henry · « **Reply #20 on:** Sun, 15 August 2010, 00:02:34 »

Pre-orders have started. $199 + shipping.

chongyixiong · « **Reply #21 on:** Sun, 15 August 2010, 03:50:44 »

Wow I like how you are able to customise your order to exactly your liking.

Key options:
Blank Keys
Lettered Keys (recommended)

Haha.

Konrad · « **Reply #22 on:** Sun, 15 August 2010, 10:00:18 »

I just happen to live in North Vancouver, BC, Canada.

Yep, we have a silicon valley. 2+ universities reknowned for engineering and compsci; about 2-3 dozen little software companies (including HQs for EA and Radical games); and hordes and hordes of genius cyborgs imported (sometimes illegally) from various parts of Asia and India. Seems Canada is perceived as a sunny magical land of wealth, prosperity, and happiness to the rest of the world - though why they'd pick Vancouver is beyond me. Plus our wimpy dollar and easily bribed political leaders make business in Canada a very attractive option for US investors. Same reason we have "Hollywood North", also located in/around Vancouver.

mr_a500 · « **Reply #23 on:** Fri, 27 August 2010, 08:53:46 »

Quote from: Konrad;212816

I just happen to live in North Vancouver, BC, Canada.

Yep, we have a silicon valley. 2+ universities reknowned for engineering and compsci; about 2-3 dozen little software companies (including HQs for EA and Radical games); and hordes and hordes of genius cyborgs imported (sometimes illegally) from various parts of Asia and India. Seems Canada is perceived as a sunny magical land of wealth, prosperity, and happiness to the rest of the world - though why they'd pick Vancouver is beyond me. Plus our wimpy dollar and easily bribed political leaders make business in Canada a very attractive option for US investors. Same reason we have "Hollywood North", also located in/around Vancouver.

That's funny. Apparently, we have two of each. "Hollywood North" also refers to Toronto - and "Canada's silicon valley" usually refers to Markham, Ontario. That's where ATI headquarters are (I've been there), IBM Canada, Digital/Compaq (before mergers), etc..

IBM headquarters even has it's own bridge ramps coming off the public streets! That's the only time I've ever seen a tech company with that kind of power to modify public roadwork.

Konrad · « **Reply #24 on:** Fri, 27 August 2010, 10:52:20 »

:smow: Great White North, tyvm

rantenki · « **Reply #25 on:** Thu, 09 September 2010, 15:12:20 »

I did chat with them briefly over email. Very "form-lettery" response, but they mentioned that they will soon have a better deal on Canadian shipping.

I am going to ask if they can do a video of their prototype being typed on; to get a feel for the sound etc.

They clearly have a decent prototype made up...

IndesisiveAvocaodes · « **Reply #26 on:** Thu, 09 September 2010, 16:42:17 »

Useless post but I like how the Model M is all sepia'd out with the legendary and not so legendary keyboards.

shrap · « **Reply #27 on:** Thu, 09 September 2010, 17:07:52 »

Anyone else notice they dropped red Cherrys from their list of switches?

lmnop · « **Reply #28 on:** Thu, 09 September 2010, 17:11:55 »

it's because Cherry MX Red are in short supply.

rantenki · « **Reply #29 on:** Sat, 25 September 2010, 11:30:01 »

A bit more heckling leads to a bit more information. I asked the TE people if they had photos of an actual physical prototype...

So, I think the first image shows that they actually HAVE one, but no video of operation or anything, so it may be a mockup dummy board.

Also, the fact that they poured text all over it to cover it up makes me a touch suspicious. I think what is really going on here is that they don't have a production quality prototype, and they are hoping to pre-order and get a batch built in order to finance the next production run.

Also, I think they are pretty bad at marketing. I mean, look at their blog page. Reads like an email from Nigeria. Sheesh.

That said, I am still considering order one just because they have dropped the price into "speculative toy purchase territory".

News:

Author Topic: Truly Ergenomic (Read 29672 times)