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Offline dacm

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Chatteringg Cherry Blues on a Filco
« on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 10:06:49 »
Hi guys.

I bought a Filco with blue cherries a few months ago. Sadly a few of the keys (g & numpad-5) seem to have started chattering. (I believe chattering is when a single keypress registers as 2 or more.) I'd say it only happens about 2% of the time but it's still very annoying and disappointing for such a new and expensive keyboard.

I think I'm going to complain to the retailer (should still be in warranty after all). Is it common for these keyboards to have the odd chattering key? Is it not remarkably unlucky to get 2 on one board? Or is it common to get more once you already have one? Are there any other possible causes that would make a key appear to be chattering? Also, once a switch has started to chatter does it continue to degrade or does it stay at the same level of cruddiness?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 10:27:44 »
Seconded.  RMA, get a Topre, never worry about it again.


Offline kidchunks

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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 10:30:10 »
Can chattering be fixed by simply replacing the switch?
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 10:31:43 »
Turning on the heater helps, too.


woody

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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 10:42:05 »
Or try to blow it.

Offline PRISONER 24601

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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 11:17:17 »
You don't hear about chattering problems with MX switches very often. I'm surprised.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 13:26:38 »
Shame on your houses!!! Commit Hari Kari, now, thief!!!

Or some such nonsense.


Offline braben

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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 21 December 2010, 12:13:57 »
Quote from: woody;258703
Or try to blow it.


You saved my keyboard. Thank you.

I got two chattering keys on a blues Filco. It looks like bouncing has gone.

woody

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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 21 December 2010, 12:22:51 »
Quote from: braben;266771
You saved my keyboard. Thank you.

I got two chattering keys on a blues Filco. It looks like bouncing has gone.

You're welcome. Small particles could've been between the contacts, most likely.
Next in order are PCB tracks and solder points, but you don't need to get that far with a new Filco.

Offline braben

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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 21 December 2010, 12:49:32 »
I have to admit you both are right. Too much life matter floating here I guess.

woody

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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 21 December 2010, 13:58:28 »
Just a hair could cause enough fun.

Offline dacm

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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 16:24:34 »
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Turning on the heater helps, too.

Sorry for bumping this after so long, but could you expand on this? Does the cold really increase chattering?

I ask because my problems started in the winter and now that I've finally got around to RMA'ing it the retailer is having trouble reproducing the problem. :-/ (The weather has been quite warm recently.)

I sent them logs of how I was able to reproduce the problem when I had the board, but it doesn't seem to be occurring for them... ...Starting to wish I'd filmed myself typing on the board or something...

Bit worried really, this wasn't a cheap purchase for me.
« Last Edit: Fri, 06 May 2011, 16:31:17 by dacm »

Offline sam113101

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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 16:58:04 »
The caps lock on my unicomp space saver chatters.
So I'm using my das now.
Hoping to hear from you again, your dearest friend, sam113101.

Offline Arcanius

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 17:39:31 »
This has happened to me as well. My problem was that the spring had come a bit loose, and hitting the key would cause it to register twice, sometimes. Sam, maybe try tightening the spring on the hammer? I tried this and broke two springs, so I'm not sure I really recommend it..... :/

woody

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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 18:30:37 »
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A IBM buckling spring chattering?  Hmm.. that's kind of what the buckling spring was designed to prevent (according to the patent).
With the membrane doing the electrical contact, that's not that surprising.

woody

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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 18:37:26 »
That, or something slipped between the membranes, conductive pads dirty/damaged, etc.

Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #16 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 19:33:04 »
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It happens.

 

Strange you haven't opened a new tread with "another filco bites the dust" as title :becky:
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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #17 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 19:42:51 »
So if a cherry switch fails , it happens (it's a cherry fault), if a led get dimmer is not a cree/lumileds/whatever fault, it's an Xarmor fault. Right ?
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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 06 May 2011, 20:00:00 »
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Xarmor sucks. Get used to me posting whenever these come up at OCN over here.


Get used to me replying...

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Just not the Topre.


Usually on a switchless keyboard hardly a switch will fail, as happen to the filco/das/ibm backlight
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Offline dacm

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« Reply #19 on: Mon, 16 May 2011, 08:51:18 »
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Maybe all the bumping in shipping fixed it?


I guess. There were three keys that were chattering and had been for months. Is it likely that all three would be fixed by the bumping around.

Quote from: ripster;342670
I don't think it's temperature dependent.


Thinking about it I think maybe that comment about 'turning on the heater' refers to the cold making your teeth chatter! :-) Glad I'm not the only one who didn't get the joke.

Offline DukeRobillard

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« Reply #20 on: Sun, 09 October 2011, 20:13:52 »
Quote from: woody;258703
Or try to blow it.

Oh, man, thanks.   My Filco Cherry MX Brown was chattering on a number of keys...and after popping them off and blowing out the cat fur, it's much better.....