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Offline bonecandy

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Filco majestouch2 brown metallic ringing
« on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 17:26:07 »
I recently picked up a Filco majestouch2 with brown switches for work since I liked my Leopold brown so much. Unfortunately, the keyboard makes a really loud metallic ringing when typing - even not bottoming out still produces a pretty noticeable echo-y ring. It's especially noticeable since I work in an office environment. My Leopold doesn't make nearly this much of a clang and it's really getting on my nerves. :( It's too bad since I like the feel of the Filco's more than the Leopold.
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to dampen the ringing? I just ordered some of the soft landing pads from EK, but I'm not sure how well that will work.
Thanks!
« Last Edit: Sat, 21 May 2011, 18:57:37 by bonecandy »
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Offline Wallach

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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 18:13:37 »
I sent my Filco MJ2 back partly for this reason. The backspace in particular rang hilariously loud. The Das w/ browns did not have that problem.

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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 22:25:29 »
i think its calling pinging

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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 22:41:46 »
ping filco -majestouch2

I have 2 Majestouch1 keyboards and they don't ping. My Filco Majestouch 2 pings on certain keys.
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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 22:42:52 »
!ping me

67 ms

not bad
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Offline godofdeath

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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 23:22:57 »
my mj1 does it for the keys that got stabilizers here it the most with enter and backspace

Offline Zet

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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 23:47:46 »
Welcome to GeekHack.

Have you tried your Leopold over the same office?

Offline bonecandy

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« Reply #7 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 03:46:37 »
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Welcome to GeekHack.

Have you tried your Leopold over the same office?

 
No, I'm going to bring it in on Monday though and use that until I can dampen the ringing on the Filco. I might just have to get another Leopold. Or MJ1 if they don't have this problem. :(


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I have 2 Majestouch1 keyboards and they don't ping. My Filco Majestouch 2 pings on certain keys.


I wonder if only the MJ2's have this ringing problem?
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« Reply #8 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 07:38:59 »
Yea that happened to me with the majestouch 1 version of the same board before...I hated that sound and sold it.

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« Reply #9 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 08:09:29 »
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I wonder if only the MJ2's have this ringing problem?

exactly.
It would be nice to hear it before buying one.

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« Reply #10 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 08:59:05 »
Nope, as I said this affects the MJ1's with browns too.

I have not experienced the issue with my MJ1 (previously with blues, then modded to clears) or my MJ2 with reds.

Offline canon.tk

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« Reply #11 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 11:28:17 »
Some boards do it some don't.  My 104 Filco with browns doesn't do it.
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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 11:36:48 »
Might just be the tenkeyless' with browns then.

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« Reply #13 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 11:59:23 »
is there a certain key that does this or it's a general sound?

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« Reply #14 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 13:01:18 »
I noticed it in general whilst typing when I owned one. Happened with pretty much all the keys.

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« Reply #15 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 13:03:28 »
Quote from: keyboardlover;349827
Might just be the tenkeyless' with browns then.

 
My friend's 104 Filco with browns does it really bad.
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Offline bonecandy

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« Reply #17 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 15:53:10 »
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is there a certain key that does this or it's a general sound?

 
It's a general sound. With some keys it is less noticeable, but they all produce a ring.

Based on all the responses so far I'm not sure if this defect is just random, or the people who say they haven't heard it have a lot of background noise.

Do you guys think Amazon would accept a return?
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« Reply #18 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 16:01:50 »
I've found Amazon to be very good with accepting returns. It's worth a shot.

The key is crying a lot. No one likes to hear a grown man cry.

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« Reply #19 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 16:34:01 »
I first noticed the pinging on my Ducky 9008 G2. I went back and count and there are about 12-13 keys that ping. There are only 3 keys (numpad#9, ], leftWin) on my Filco gen 2 that ping. It's not very loud and I only hear it in a quiet room. I took each of those keyboards to work for a whole week and didn't notice the pinging. Also, I'm a light typist and don't bottom out that hard. If you bottoming out all the time, you probably hear it more.
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« Reply #20 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 16:46:30 »
On my gen 1(I think) Filco tenkeyless with browns I can hear a slight ping when I slam down on some of the keys, but I never hear it during normal use.

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« Reply #21 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 18:12:26 »
If you wanna get rid of it completely, you're pretty much going to have to do without the spring :-X

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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 18:39:48 »
I think it's coming from the metal plate. It sounds like a small gong.

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Offline bonecandy

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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 09:06:56 »
So, I brought my Leopold into work today and it has much much less ringing than my Filco. There's still some VERY slight ringing on a couple of keys but it's barely noticeable. Aside from the ringing it's also quite a bit more quiet. I'll let you guys know how much the soft landing pads affect the Filco's ringing when they come in, which should hopefully be this week.
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Offline Wallach

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« Reply #24 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 17:15:43 »
Quote from: bonecandy;349962
It's a general sound. With some keys it is less noticeable, but they all produce a ring.

Based on all the responses so far I'm not sure if this defect is just random, or the people who say they haven't heard it have a lot of background noise.

Do you guys think Amazon would accept a return?

They will, certainly. You'll just lose the shipping cost on return (which will probably come out around 7 bucks if you're in the US).

BTW, the noise is from the key upstroke/return. It is loudest when you press a key down fully, then release it quickly (so it returns at full force). My Daskeyboard didn't have that problem on any of the keys, at least to the point that I could reliably hear it. The Filco was quite loud by comparison, I could hear it with a set of studio monitors on if I let the key go quickly.

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« Reply #25 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 17:21:49 »
Afaik brown switches are ringing when the switch is not tightly fitted when soldered.

Is just matter of melting the soldering points while pushing the switch.

Something like 10 seconds of work per switches.
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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 19:03:02 »
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They will, certainly. You'll just lose the shipping cost on return (which will probably come out around 7 bucks if you're in the US).

BTW, the noise is from the key upstroke/return. It is loudest when you press a key down fully, then release it quickly (so it returns at full force). My Daskeyboard didn't have that problem on any of the keys, at least to the point that I could reliably hear it. The Filco was quite loud by comparison, I could hear it with a set of studio monitors on if I let the key go quickly.

Yeah that is exactly what's happening - the ringing only really happens on the release. I'm not sure if I should risk ordering another MJ2 since it seems like the ringing varies from keyboard to keyboard based on how well each one was put together. Makes me sad :(.
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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 20:45:17 »
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My Filco Gen1 Cherry Brown doesn't have any noticeable ringing.

Gen1>Gen2.
Well I'm taking my chances and ordering an MJ1 from thekeyboardco.com and returning my Mj2. It certainly can't be worse this *crosses fingers*
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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 20:46:57 »
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Afaik brown switches are ringing when the switch is not tightly fitted when soldered.

Is just matter of melting the soldering points while pushing the switch.

Something like 10 seconds of work per switches.

 
Seriously, WTF?

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« Reply #29 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 20:55:44 »
Just got my Gen2 w/ Reds. No ringing anywhere on the board. Although it does suffer from the "rattly" backspace issue that my brown has as well. Good thing I got some Lithium grease on the way!

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« Reply #30 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 21:00:26 »
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You are a master of wildass theories.

 unlike you I'm used to open my mouth when I've something of intelligent to say.

in this case is not theory, simply I've tried.
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« Reply #31 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 21:29:38 »
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WAIT!  MY Gen 2 Red Cherry doesn't have any ringing either.

Gen1=Gen2.

Haha, well, I want to increase my chances of getting one without any ringing by getting something as different as possible. Also, so far it seems that most people that have had this problem had Filcos with brown switches. I don't think i've seen anyone with blue or red switches with serious ringing issues.
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« Reply #32 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 22:07:59 »
You may use a head phone and listen to your favorite bands during typing.
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« Reply #33 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 22:26:09 »
My Leo with blues also rings, but unlike some of you OCD types, I actually like the sound.  Somewhat therapeutic.

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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 22:34:35 »
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My Leo with blues also rings, but unlike some of you OCD types, I actually like the sound.  Somewhat therapeutic.

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« Reply #35 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 23:06:22 »
I once set up my PC so that every time I hit a key it would make a sound (cow, dog, cat, horn, barf, fart, whatever). Each key would make a different sound. Now imagine you're typing a sentence...
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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 24 May 2011, 00:34:30 »
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Those are built at the Helen Keller School Of Soldering.

 
Hahaha, Where no fanboy has gone before :pound:


More or less all industrial plate mounted keyboards are affected, try to find a ringing keyboard when the switches are swapped and carefully soldered by an hobbyist.
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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 24 May 2011, 00:46:16 »
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Does the hobbyist have to be Italian too?

 
I' think that even in S. Francisco melting 4 soldering point should be quicker than criticize w/o any clue. And the Italian saint is just a coincidence.
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« Reply #38 on: Tue, 24 May 2011, 02:01:18 »
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To the OP.

 Before sending the keyboard back or trying to resolder the pinging switches I'd try putting it on a Super XXL mousemat or rubber mesh drawer liner.

 You'd be amazed how the acoustics of what's underneath the keyboard can change things.


Yes it works.

The hard part is just explaining to the mousemat to dampen the sound of just two or three keys...:smokin:
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« Reply #39 on: Tue, 31 May 2011, 19:12:52 »
Holy crap. I just got my Mj1. This feels a million times better than my MJ2. The MJ2 just felt a little loose. It's also much quieter overall, and best of all there appears to be very minimal ring to it :D. yay!
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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 03 June 2011, 19:45:24 »
So any solution to this?

My MJ2 with Reds has the "ping" noise on the home and left arrow key.

No big but I'd just like to fix it if possible.

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« Reply #41 on: Fri, 03 June 2011, 19:51:16 »
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So any solution to this?


Read the thread solution is already given.
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« Reply #42 on: Fri, 03 June 2011, 21:10:17 »
Can someone make an audio recording of what this pinging sound is?

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« Reply #43 on: Fri, 03 June 2011, 21:17:42 »
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Can someone make an audio recording of what this pinging sound is?
Oh man I should've done that. Too late now, I already sent back my MJ2.
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« Reply #44 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 13:27:16 »
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Oh man I should've done that. Too late now, I already sent back my MJ2.

Can anyone else who notices this ring upload a recording? I don't notice it on my MJ2 and maybe it's because it isn't there or I hear it and am assuming it is suppose to sound like that.  I just want to make sure I don't have that issue on my keyboard.

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« Reply #45 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 16:04:59 »
mine PINGS real bad :( especially on the page up key for some reason? Even with the mouse pad underneath
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« Reply #46 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 16:23:21 »
Now I opened up the filco keypuller that came with the keyboard and its dirty. I guess that means I cant send the keyboard back?

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« Reply #47 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 16:29:20 »
i stuck it in my earhole. But I cleaned it good. So no RMA?

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« Reply #48 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 16:35:31 »
i am in the uk...i just opened up the filco key puller to have a look at it...I havent changed any keys or anything. But theres this one key on my ninja keyboard and it PINGS like a goddamn cashier till or something. Not sure what to do...

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« Reply #49 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 16:42:54 »
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Like a cash machine?
.

 
Well not quite like a cash machine...wish i had a way to record it...