IBM Scrollpoint Pro

[EverythingIBM]

I'm surprised there's little information about the "scrollpoint pro" mouse. It's one of the coolest things ever.
Here's some juicy shots:

First of all, it supports 360 scrolling, it's like a little tilty stick; SIMILAR to the trackpoint, but more deep... and it's for scrolling, not moving the cursor. It's pressure sensitive and can be controlled to suit your needs. Windows 7 automatically detects it without drivers; and I find it to be fine without any customization.

Next, the button on the side (near the thumb) can be set to a variety of functions; I like to set it as ctrl+z, so it can automatically undo actions: I'm that lazy.

Finally, the scollpoint stick GLOWS! I haven't seen such a stylish IBM product before (and probably never will again). I also enjoy the curvature, I haven't had a mouse that fit my hand so well.

What's amazing about these, is that they were released in 2002. And Apple just released their "magic" mouse which supports 360 scolling... ahh... 7 years too late.

So, I bet you're saying "WHERE CAN I GET ONE?!?!" Well, IBM, rather lenovo, has discontinued them. It's a pity, because, they're much better than the regular scrollpoint.

I was able to buy one right before crapovo discontinued them. Sadly, mine had a lenovo logo (which, I wouldn't have bought if I knew); but a little sandpaper solved that.

These things are quite durable, I spilled a bunch of juice in mine, and it still works. Had it for 2 years now, use it every day.

It's very hard to find them; getting one with an IBM-logo is quite in vain. Oh well, good things always come to pass first.

[Half-Saint]

Went searching and came up with this:
http://www.buymebuyme.com/retail/customer/product.php?productid=44716&XCARTSESSID=57379d219a35856a19f76e71c1a25e73

Unfortunately, shipping to Europe is $37 for a mouse!!!! @!?$#%&

[Rajagra]

Is the Pro version functionally different to the regular one, or just more comfortable and better looking? There are some of the non-Pro's on ebay, I'm wondering if they'd be a good choice of spare mice to keep around for those times you need a decent one in an emergency.

[ch_123]

Nice...

Have to keep an eye on eBay for these.

[EverythingIBM]

Went searching and came up with this:
http://www.buymebuyme.com/retail/customer/product.php?productid=44716&XCARTSESSID=57379d219a35856a19f76e71c1a25e73

Unfortunately, shipping to Europe is $37 for a mouse!!!! @!?$#%&

Yeah, but I'm wondering if those are IBM-labeled, or LENOVO. For some reason, the lenovo logo just depresses me.
And, that's a weird website, I usually don't like buying from obscure places like that. They could be set up to steal some unsuspecting IBMer's credit card!

Is the Pro version functionally different to the regular one, or just more comfortable and better looking? There are some of the non-Pro's on ebay, I'm wondering if they'd be a good choice of spare mice to keep around for those times you need a decent one in an emergency.

The pro version has the thumb button. I never tried a regular one; so I don't know what it uses instead (I think a button in front of the scrollpoint stick; that is, if it even has one). But I like the thumb button better.

Nice...

Have to keep an eye on eBay for these.

They're very rare! I only found them twice on ebay years ago. Should have snatched them up, damn. Maybe try searching up the model number too.

NOTE: Sometimes ebay listers DON'T label them as "scrollpoint pro", sometimes it's just like "IBM mouse" or listed as a normal scrollpoint. Someone who was selling a whole stash of used ones did that (IBM labeled too!).

I'd suggest putting something over the IBM logo to prevent it from being worn down.

[sethstorm]

Yeah, but I'm wondering if those are IBM-labeled, or LENOVO. For some reason, the lenovo logo just depresses me.

That's why I'll end up calling my next Thinkpad order w/ them in and insisting on a logo-delete of Lenovo.  Covering it w/ stickers just isn't an option.

The software build is one thing, having it plastered all over the hardware is another.

[EverythingIBM]

That's why I'll end up calling my next Thinkpad order w/ them in and insisting on a logo-delete of Lenovo.  Covering it w/ stickers just isn't an option.

The software build is one thing, having it plastered all over the hardware is another.

My next thinkpad will be a T42, lol. Actually, Lenovo gets their thinkpads built at "quanta computer," the same place where all dells, hps, acers, and macbooks come from.

My T60p is actually having a lot of problems, it loves to freeze when using CPU intensive apps. It sometimes also likes to never come out of sleep. It only recently started doing this (yeah, when the warranty is expiring). I doubt crapovo would do much about it anyways.
But I LOVE the keyboard on the thinkpad (best laptop one anyways).

[ch_123]

Laptops don't just suddenly lose their ability to sleep on a hardware level... sounds like you need to reinstall Windows.

[EverythingIBM]

Laptops don't just suddenly lose their ability to sleep on a hardware level... sounds like you need to reinstall Windows.

I would have reinstalled windows on it (many people were suggesting this to me), however, I need the IBM DLA for a few things.

Oh, I dunno about that...hardware can and does fail.

That said, a driver issue is more likely to blame. Video is the most common one that won't let a system sleep, I've found (most drivers can do this, but video is the one that causes the most problems I find).

Edit: oops, can't come OUT of sleep. That's different. Yeah, try Windows reinstall, if no luck it's hardware (assuming it WAS properly** able to come out of sleep at some point to begin with)

** properly being as one would expect, not "with any sort of abnormalities but still successfully waking up"

Some people at the thinkpad forums were saying it could be lenovo's drivers and bloatware.

Whatever the case, I should reinstall windows on it at some point; it's always good to do so anyways.

If it still has problems afterwards... T42!!!!

[EverythingIBM]

Of course, try the reinstall and see what happens.

And if/when you take delivery of your T42, I'll happily take the other one off your hands...you know, since you won't be needing it...

Ha.

Actually my T60p isn't in the best condition. The keys are fairly shiny from my extensive typing (I like how they MELTED the letters on though). The screen's hinges are also very loose.

However, even "well used" thinkpads seem to sell like hotcakes (I once went to a "computer place" asking if they had any thinkpads, soon as the person there said: "sorry we sold out;" I instantly turned around and left).

Speaking of which, I should get a scrollpoint for my thinkpad (I don't have that many IBM mice).

Although, I'll let you guys on a little secret. When my intellistation arrived, IBM packed one of their standard black red-wheeled mice with it, AND, it said it was manufactured in 2007. So, IBM still does create products with their logo on it. My uncle works for IBM also gets IBM-branded computers/thinkpads.
Kind of like this

[ch_123]

I recently saved  a Thinkpad T30 from being dumped. One of the latches is broken, and I was told by the person dumping it that the motherboard on it is fried. Might get around to fixing it some day...

[EverythingIBM]

I recently saved  a Thinkpad T30 from being dumped. One of the latches is broken, and I was told by the person dumping it that the motherboard on it is fried. Might get around to fixing it some day...

You could probably just buy a pulled mobo for it cheap. I've seen a lot of IBM motherboards float around on ebay. I'm wondering why people pull working motherboards from perfectly fine computers.

I wonder how that person fried the motherboard on the thinkpad to begin with... maybe he was trying out his XT-to-AT converter.

[EverythingIBM]

The mouse you described (red wheel) should be an MO28UO. Case/housing is similar to the normal Scrollpoint (btw I just bought the cheapest one on ebay and it is new apparently...bonus)

I LOVE THESE MICE. I had one for my desktop...then two side by side...now a third. Muahahahaha. Soon all my extra USB ports will be occupied by MO28UO mice!

Mine DOES look like a MO28UO, however, mine says MO28UOL. What's the extra L for?

[EverythingIBM]

I'm gonna guess it's a Lenovo revision...perhaps they updated it somehow, or just wanted to add the L so if they're checking their product names out they can quickly see what they have and have not investigated (for example if they want to EOL certain former IBM products, adding the L might indicate they have already determined they want to keep that product)

Just a (rather complex) guess

Oh and about Lenovo...they took over a lot earlier than most people are aware of. Many, many, MANY IBM-branded products were made after the Lenovo switch. IBM vs Lenovo is a psychological game; Lenovo does it just as well as IBM did.

The link to the scrollpoint pros half-saint gave had "31P8700", however, mine is "MO18BO".
Not all scrollpoint pros had the glowing stick; and some were made in the classic "ivory" (which I would love to have).

[ch_123]

There's some regular Scrollpoints in ivory on eBay right now. In fact, I think the guy was selling a number of them in the one auction.

[EverythingIBM]

There's some regular Scrollpoints in ivory on eBay right now. In fact, I think the guy was selling a number of them in the one auction.

The scrollpoint pros looked a bit different in ivory:

With some silver and black logo instead of blue.

Although, I will check for some ivory scrollpoint mice later! Perhaps people can say my mouse is old instead of my ThinkPad... I got so many comments from people saying "THAT COMPUTER IS *SO* OLD", then they would say "hey, what's that red thing on the keyboard".
It doesn't look "old" to me, and I kind of like the thinkpad design (I certainly DO NOT like the "thinkpad edge", lenovo is trying too hard; if they want to sell a tacky computer, they should just redesign a whole new one, like their abominable idea pads).

[microsoft windows]

Looking for some Scrollpoint mice?  Here you can get 5 of them for 80 cents each.

[gerry]

Awesome.  I had no idea these were rare.  I bought one a few years ago, but didn't find it comfortable for my hand.  It's a black Pro with side button and glowing blue light.  It's practically brand new since I only used it a few times.  Found it and using it at the moment.  I'm using Debian and I can only scroll up and down by default.  I'm sure there's a way to get 360 degree scrolling to work though.  Honestly, it's still just not the right match for my hand.  It seems to be a little too small to conform to my hand, but a little too large for the claw grip.  Still sticking with the good old Trackpoint for the forseeable future.

[microsoft windows]

I'd have to say I like Trackpoint mice too, especially when in an on-the-go situation. Especially the "cat's toungue" ones where you can get a good grip on them. Some of my laptops have them and I couldn't do without them. They beat Trashpads by a mile.

[EverythingIBM]

Awesome.  I had no idea these were rare.  I bought one a few years ago, but didn't find it comfortable for my hand.  It's a black Pro with side button and glowing blue light.  It's practically brand new since I only used it a few times.  Found it and using it at the moment.  I'm using Debian and I can only scroll up and down by default.  I'm sure there's a way to get 360 degree scrolling to work though.  Honestly, it's still just not the right match for my hand.  It seems to be a little too small to conform to my hand, but a little too large for the claw grip.  Still sticking with the good old Trackpoint for the forseeable future.

You need to install the driver to enable 360 scrolling (although I don't use it that much). I have the driver CD somewhere... you can also download it from lenovo's website, I THINK. Worst case scenario: I can upload the drivers from my CD.

I always have a mousepad under my mice; so my hand is cushioned by a sqaushy mousepad, and I simply shift my hand a little to move the cursor (I always set cursor speed really fast to reduce movement; that could be why other people are more annoyed with mice like these).
Also, I don't know why people think, even though a mouse is optical (or laser), that it shouldn't have a mousepad. It's really horrible having your hand & mouse grind against the table all day. If you have a poor quality desk, you'll get a little worn-off spot too.

Try increasing the mouse speed and using a mousepad. Then you can just glide it nicely.

[In Stereo!]

I'd love to use the scollpoint on a modern mouse. But the lousy tracking I have on mine (scrollpoint mouse) is a real deal breaker.

[EverythingIBM]

I'd love to use the scollpoint on a modern mouse. But the lousy tracking I have on mine (scrollpoint mouse) is a real deal breaker.

Maybe UNICOMP can start making them, lol. They'd be way cheaper than Model M keyboards anyhow.

[sethstorm]

My next thinkpad will be a T42, lol. Actually, Lenovo gets their thinkpads built at "quanta computer," the same place where all dells, hps, acers, and macbooks come from.

Still would insist on a logo-delete, should I ever have enough to get a w700ds.

Maybe UNICOMP can start making them, lol. They'd be way cheaper than Model M keyboards anyhow.

Question is, who holds the rights to the design?

[elbowglue]

We have these kinds of scrollpoint mouses at work:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130371894897

It may not be this model exactly, I give it big thumbs down.  The scrolling on it is very poorly implemented, I much prefer a mouse with a scroll wheel.  My 2 cents

[CreamyNutButter]

Yeah, but I'm wondering if those are IBM-labeled, or LENOVO. For some reason, the lenovo logo just depresses me.
And, that's a weird website, I usually don't like buying from obscure places like that. They could be set up to steal some unsuspecting IBMer's credit card!



The pro version has the thumb button. I never tried a regular one; so I don't know what it uses instead (I think a button in front of the scrollpoint stick; that is, if it even has one). But I like the thumb button better.



They're very rare! I only found them twice on ebay years ago. Should have snatched them up, damn. Maybe try searching up the model number too.

NOTE: Sometimes ebay listers DON'T label them as "scrollpoint pro", sometimes it's just like "IBM mouse" or listed as a normal scrollpoint. Someone who was selling a whole stash of used ones did that (IBM labeled too!).

I'd suggest putting something over the IBM logo to prevent it from being worn down.

LOL, my first computer (that solely belonged to me) was an IBM ThinkPad and I got mad whenever someone called it a Lenovo.  Lenovo just doesn't measure up to IBM's rep.

[Rajagra]

"Lenovo" just sounds cheap. I bet it does even to non-English speakers. They should have done more research when choosing the name. (Beyond the usual checks for the word not being a vulgar colloquialism in some obscure language.)

Then again, I find many recent company names a bit offensive, what with their deliberate misspellings or abstract use of words that tell you nothing of the company's purpose.

Get off my lawn!

[Half-Saint]

Lenovo sounds french, to me at least I don't like it... it reminds me of a cheap clothing brand...

[sethstorm]

"Lenovo" just sounds cheap. I bet it does even to non-English speakers. They should have done more research when choosing the name. (Beyond the usual checks for the word not being a vulgar colloquialism in some obscure language.)

Then again, I find many recent company names a bit offensive, what with their deliberate misspellings or abstract use of words that tell you nothing of the company's purpose.

Get off my lawn!

Legend + some form of "new" = Lenovo.

I'd have been fine if they just shortened their name to 'Legend' and not thrown so many curves into the logo typeface.

As for quality, Lenovo is just taking the traditional route of changing things at an imperceptible pace until it no longer resembles the original product.

[EverythingIBM]

Legend + some form of "new" = Lenovo.

I'd have been fine if they just shortened their name to 'Legend' and not thrown so many curves into the logo typeface.

As for quality, Lenovo is just taking the traditional route of changing things at an imperceptible pace until it no longer resembles the original product.

One thing I detest is how Lenovo is making their own quirky designs; straying from the normal "IBM look". Like THIS for example:

From the creators of the ThinkPad? I THINK NOT! It actually took a very diverse group of people to come up with all of those great features: not a bunch of bankrupt clowns in lenovo china. I really dislike "all-in-one" computers anyhow. At least *IBM'S* all-in-one actually had a thing called "ports":

http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-6274-KKU-All-In-One-Monitor-PC-System-As-Is_W0QQitemZ370282793689QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item5636930ad9

Just plain matte black, squared edges, and the "IBM lavender" somewhere.
**Lenovo actually changed the IBM lavender on newer thinkpad enter keys**

If this keeps up, they'll reverse EVERYTHING. Thinkpads will be "macpads". Oh wait, the iPad is already out.

[hyperlinked]

One thing I detest is how Lenovo is making their own quirky designs; straying from the normal "IBM look". Like THIS for example:

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I don't know. Had IBM continued producing hardware, I wouldn't be surprised if they had built something resembling this if they made a space saving all-in-one because it's not really a new design and it's quirkiness in my view owes more to that it's an un-sexy all-in-one which are usually dolled up to look pretty.

When I think of a ThinkPad, I envision something that's mostly unglamorous, built solid, and is all about the hardware. Yeah, there's no lavender, but otherwise, I don't see how this is a tremendous departure from that general approach (unless the hardware sucks).

Anyway, the "normal" IBM look would surely evolve even if Lenovo didn't own it.

[ch_123]

I miss the Lavender. They have sort of brought it back - the newer Thinkpads have the blue-tipped trackpoint buttons.

I always refer to my laptop as being an "IBM" despite it being Lenovo made. Any time I find it necessary to refer to it as Lenovo, I jokingly call it "Len-I can't believe it's not IBM-ovo"

[EverythingIBM]

I don't know. Had IBM continued producing hardware, I wouldn't be surprised if they had built something resembling this if they made a space saving all-in-one because it's not really a new design and it's quirkiness in my view owes more to that it's an un-sexy all-in-one which are usually dolled up to look pretty.

When I think of a ThinkPad, I envision something that's mostly unglamorous, built solid, and is all about the hardware. Yeah, there's no lavender, but otherwise, I don't see how this is a tremendous departure from that general approach (unless the hardware sucks).

Anyway, the "normal" IBM look would surely evolve even if Lenovo didn't own it.

Actually, most IBM products from 1995 to 2007 all have the same look. I like the way IBM actually put the "stripes" in the bezel on some of their computers.
Whatever the case, the "IBM blue" was a feature of every single IBM product I've ever owned.

Although, I have a feeling most of the IBM designers have been sacked (some may even be dead). Lenovo has a different staff creating all of their horrendous products. They actually didn't like the members from the IBM PC division.

[EverythingIBM]

GOD DAMN THAT'S A NICE LOOKING MOUSE (silver scrollpoint pro)

...it's CAPSLOCK day in Canada.

I found the model for the "sage" or "white" scrollpoint pro!
It's 37L7317.

Here's the first site i found it from:
http://www.partstore.com/Part/IBM%20Corporation/IBM/37L7317/Refurbished.aspx?s=froogle&CID=froogle

There's a whole bunch of others i'm sure, i'm going to search around for it when I get home. I got to get one of those, they're way too cool.

[TexasFlood]

I found the model for the "sage" or "white" scrollpoint pro!
It's 37L7317.

Here's the first site i found it from:
http://www.partstore.com/Part/IBM%20Corporation/IBM/37L7317/Refurbished.aspx?s=froogle&CID=froogle

There's a whole bunch of others i'm sure, i'm going to search around for it when I get home. I got to get one of those, they're way too cool.

FYI, through tomorrow there is a Lenovo sale on.  I think it's 15% extra off. Comes out to $16.32 + tax at friends & family site, free shipping.

Lenovo Scrollpoint Optical Mouse - Bring more accurate maneuvering and control to your desktop with the Optical 3-Button ScrollPoint Mouse PS/2 & USB 800 dpi sensor. The ScrollPoint pointing stick is ideal for both horizontal and vertical scrolling, unlike standard wheel mice. ScrollPoint pointing device glows blue.


Also ThinkPad USB Keyboard with TrackPoint $40.12 + tax, FS


and ThinkPad USB Numeric Keypad $14.95 + tax, FS

[didjamatic]

Lot of 5 scrollpoint mice on ebay.

I wonder if you could hack these apart to surface mount a scrollpoint stick on a DT225 trackball just above the ball.  But these particular ones are ps2 which would conflict with the DT225.  A usb option would be better.

[EverythingIBM]

I found the model for the "sage" or "white" scrollpoint pro!
It's 37L7317.

Here's the first site i found it from:
http://www.partstore.com/Part/IBM%20Corporation/IBM/37L7317/Refurbished.aspx?s=froogle&CID=froogle

There's a whole bunch of others i'm sure, i'm going to search around for it when I get home. I got to get one of those, they're way too cool.

Actually, the lenovo page DID list the model number for the "ancient sage" colour, as well as the "slate" one, that funny dark lavender version (I was just blind and didn't read the whole page).
I REALLY want one of the sage ones though, it looks very cool; and the scrollpoint doesn't glow (I think it's a waste of power; having it on 24/7 for 2 years can add up).

FYI, through tomorrow there is a Lenovo sale on.  I think it's 15% extra off. Comes out to $16.32 + tax at friends & family site, free shipping.

They have as much sales as soundsonline (which is, every day of the week). The lenovo products are becomming so DULL. They're also starting to sell non-IBM things... if I want to buy a cheap overpriced logitech mouse or acer monitor, I can go to THEIR websites. I won't even comment on the keyboards.

[TexasFlood]

They have as much sales as soundsonline (which is, every day of the week). The lenovo products are becomming so DULL. They're also starting to sell non-IBM things... if I want to buy a cheap overpriced logitech mouse or acer monitor, I can go to THEIR websites. I won't even comment on the keyboards.

Lenovo always has a coupon or discount on something.  Less often do they have a % off of an entire line such as accessories.  I almost bit on the trackpoint keyboard, but just didn't have the cash this time.  Probably will get it next time it's down around $40 and I have the cash.

[didjamatic]

I got one of these for the scroll point and USB to do a hack on a trackball.

[ch_123]

Are those mice ball or optical?

EDIT: Sorry, didn't look at the pics. Might get one anyway for the lulz.

I wonder how similar the Lenovo ones are... You could get one for cheap and hack it to be optical with the guts of the Lenovo one.

[EverythingIBM]

Are those mice ball or optical?

EDIT: Sorry, didn't look at the pics. Might get one anyway for the lulz.

I wonder how similar the Lenovo ones are... You could get one for cheap and hack it to be optical with the guts of the Lenovo one.

yeah it would be possible, the mouse is divided into two bezels. Someone should combine a white and black scrollpoint together. The lenovo ones are 1005 similar.

Although I'd prefer the ball. Uses less power, can be used on any surface, more accurate for moving the cursor slower, and, IT HAS A BALL. WOW.

[ch_123]

On second thoughts, I might wait till a Scrollpoint Pro comes around. How common are those?

[ch_123]

The problem here is that as a Trackpoint and Trackball user, mice bore me, and I tend to only get them if they are particularly interesting (I have a great gamer's mouse, but I'm thinking of selling it to a friend as I never use it) And then I don't really want to spend huge amounts of money on them as I know that I'll never use them often to justify anything more than a basic investment. Getting my original PS/2 mouse for about €5, and the Trackpoint-I for about €10 was great. I'm not sure if the above Scrollpoint is worth it, even if it's only going to cost me €10 too. I'd probably pay more for a Scrollpoint Pro, but not that much.

[EverythingIBM]

I can't speak for actual rarity, but having saved searches on eBay that watch out for IBM hardware of all sorts...I can tell you I've not ONCE seen one listed such that it would ship to Canada (perhaps in-USA only, but you'd want international anyway, and if they won't do Canada they usually won't do overseas). That's in a 2 year period approximately.

I've seen two listings that DID ship to canada: but often or not they mislabeled it as I heretofore said.

I WANT AN ANCIENT SAGE ONE!! If I get the money, I'll just order the one they have for $100 on memory4less. If It's a lenovo, I'd be pretty mad. Although, I don't think lenovo made them or branded them with lenovo.

[ch_123]

Basically the same mouse, but with a different 'top'. Interesting.

But the thing about the Scrollpoint Pro is that it's actually the sort of mouse I'd use, not a strange curio. Unlike some, I don't have a basement full of computers to be equipped. Hell, I don't even have a basement, as much as I'd like one.

[EverythingIBM]

I can definitely agree with what you're saying...mice are simple, generally not very interesting devices. The ScrollPoint in general is a bit interesting since it's kind of like a TrackPoint stuck on top of your mouse.

You need to spray something on those IBM logos if you want to keep them, it looks like they're clutching for dear life to stay visible. Although, mine looks like it just came out of the factory since I don't put much of my hand on it.

[TexasFlood]

Photos of my current IBM/Lenovo optical mice:

I just got back from Lencrafters and they had those black ones with red scroll wheels...

[TexasFlood]

They were standard equipment with a whole bunch of late NetVistas, ThinkCentres and other equipment...there've gotta be millions of them out there. It's one example of something ridiculously common that does end up being reasonably good.

Yup, I got an IBM scrollpoint mouse years ago with a NetVista at a job.  It had the wrong driver and I didn't realize what it was or could do with the right driver, so I found a Microsoft scroll wheel mouse and ditched the IBM one.  So did a lot of folks, I probably saw dozens of them get tossed out back then but only thought "Good riddance".  Sigh, live and learn.

[TexasFlood]

Well, to be clear, I meant the ones with the red wheels. I've never actually seen a ScrollPoint (the one with the blue knob) as standard equipment but it wouldn't surprise me if some system had it included at some point.

Yeah, the ones we have were (off)white with blue non-lit scrollpointers, kinda like the scrollpoint II shown below from the IBM Almaden Research site..  Unfortunately we, me included, were all to dumb to realize the beauty of them.  We were used to the Micro$oft scroll wheels and there were old ones around to be had so...

[nowsharing]

That's why I'll end up calling my next Thinkpad order w/ them in and insisting on a logo-delete of Lenovo. Covering it w/ stickers just isn't an option.

This aluminum badge might be a nice option for you, if it fits your thinkpad:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350322433822

[sethstorm]

This aluminum badge might be a nice option for you, if it fits your thinkpad:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350322433822

That would be a nice touch. Those look like z61 silver lid logos, are they not?  I currently have IBM-logo Thinkpads despite having the Lenovo-era T60p, a Lenovo-era refit T42p (bought & shipped before Lenovo, 1/25/2005), and an IBM x31(w/ extended battery & slice).  Thus it would be something I'd look at when I can afford the latest w7xxds.

I don't want Lenovo plastered all over(the indicator panel at the bottom of the LCD panel and the LCD lid are major offenders).  The manufacturer stickers at the bottom (the ones relating to COA & type-model) are about as much as I can tolerate.  If the BIOS were amenable to logo-fixing, I'd fix that too.

The Lenovo logo does not deserve to be on the Thinkpad box.  It(the company) has not earned the reputation built over time from IBM.

[EverythingIBM]

That would be a nice touch. Those look like z61 silver lid logos, are they not?  I currently have IBM-logo Thinkpads despite having the Lenovo-era T60p, a Lenovo-era refit T42p (bought & shipped before Lenovo, 1/25/2005), and an IBM x31(w/ extended battery & slice).  Thus it would be something I'd look at when I can afford the latest w7xxds.

I don't want Lenovo plastered all over(the indicator panel at the bottom of the LCD panel and the LCD lid are major offenders).  The manufacturer stickers at the bottom (the ones relating to COA & type-model) are about as much as I can tolerate.  If the BIOS were amenable to logo-fixing, I'd fix that too.

The Lenovo logo does not deserve to be on the Thinkpad box.  It(the company) has not earned the reputation built over time from IBM.

They sacked all of the IBM employees which transitioned to lenovo in order to save money (because lenovo is going into bankruptcy -- I hope they do!)
I've seen some pretty horrific lenovo products that are so inverse of IBM. I don't like flashy silver-painted plastic.

I don't think those silver logos are original? I've never seen such a thing before.

[ch_123]

Here's a seller. US shipping only.

One problem - it's a 2 button mouse with a third button, which from the sound of the description, is really a "fourth" button.

[EverythingIBM]

Here's a seller. US shipping only.

One problem - it's a 2 button mouse with a third button, which from the sound of the description, is really a "fourth" button.

Two clicking buttons, the scrollpoint, and the thumb button, which, I like to set to ctrl+z for automatic undoing action.

And, who knows if that thing has a dreaded LENOVO logo on it.

AND, I hate when products ship only to the states, GAH.

[Rajagra]

Is the Pro version functionally different to the regular one, or just more comfortable and better looking? There are some of the non-Pro's on ebay, I'm wondering if they'd be a good choice of spare mice to keep around for those times you need a decent one in an emergency.

To answer my own question, I bought 2 of these, and they are good no-nonsense mice. A bargain at £5 each. Out of the box they work as 3-button mice with up/down scroll. 800dpi is fine for most things, scrolling is very fast (probably too fast for weapon selection in games, but good for the intended purpose.) The size is comfortable in my large hands, but the design is such that I imagine it fits any size hand equally well.

I'll probably take the time to install the drivers later. I'll keep one of these and give the other to a neighbour who still uses a ball mouse that keeps sticking.

I'll keep looking for the Pro version as well.

[EverythingIBM]

To answer my own question, I bought 2 of these, and they are good no-nonsense mice. A bargain at £5 each. Out of the box they work as 3-button mice with up/down scroll. 800dpi is fine for most things, scrolling is very fast (probably too fast for weapon selection in games, but good for the intended purpose.) The size is comfortable in my large hands, but the design is such that I imagine it fits any size hand equally well.

I'll probably take the time to install the drivers later. I'll keep one of these and give the other to a neighbour who still uses a ball mouse that keeps sticking.

I'll keep looking for the Pro version as well.

You CAN buy the silver pro version from memory4less, but it's $100. They do ship outside of the states; my friend ordered something from them once.

If I ever get the money, I think I might. It's a cool mouse!

[EverythingIBM]

That is substantially worse than someone paying big bucks for a keyboard based on age.

That's basically a standard price for any modern mouse. My friend paid $90 for his microsoft travel one (got 3 free replacements however because the USB reciever always gets weak after frequent use).

I think I paid $58 for my current scrollpoint pro from lenovo. It's a very nice mouse though; a lot of people on amazon bought them for gaming along with backups.

I'll wait and see if memory4less drops the price, $50 wouldn't be that bad, but $100 is pushing it (I don't want to fathom the price with shipping). But if someone really wants something, they will pay the extra price. It's also worthy to note that I have never even seen a photograph of the silver scrollpoint mice, it's always stock pictures. So it would be a real treat to see that thing in real life.

[woebtz]

I found the cat tongue on the IBM/Lenovo Scrollpoint 3 to be a bit slippery. Is the Pro scrollpoint any different? Maybe I'll just mod mine with a blob of paper-tac.

Is there a way to use the scrollpoint as a trackpoint?

[ch_123]

I think they're the same.

And unlikely. The thing is hardwired to be a scrollwheel. I'm not sure if it is even the same thing as a laptop trackpoint, although it could be.

[woebtz]

Rats.

I thought it'd be rad to have the mbutton toggle between a scrollpoint and trackpoint!

[gr1m]

That's basically a standard price for any modern mouse. My friend paid $90 for his microsoft travel one (got 3 free replacements however because the USB reciever always gets weak after frequent use).

I think I paid $58 for my current scrollpoint pro from lenovo. It's a very nice mouse though; a lot of people on amazon bought them for gaming along with backups.

I'll wait and see if memory4less drops the price, $50 wouldn't be that bad, but $100 is pushing it (I don't want to fathom the price with shipping). But if someone really wants something, they will pay the extra price. It's also worthy to note that I have never even seen a photograph of the silver scrollpoint mice, it's always stock pictures. So it would be a real treat to see that thing in real life.

You dig your computers out of dumpsters but think spending $100 on mice is normal?

[ch_123]

Allow me to extent on that -

"... thinks spending $100 on a Microsoft mouse..."

[EverythingIBM]

You dig your computers out of dumpsters but think spending $100 on mice is normal?

I get computers people throw away or don't want (I've never seen any computers in actual dumpsters before). And I bet my higher end computers are faster and more upgraded than yours.

But my older computers can do stuff new ones can't, so I still enjoy them.

And yes, if you buy brand new OEM stuff, $100 is perfectly normal. If you think it's strange, go to bestbuy, staples, or any store like that and see how much the mice there cost. They're not cheap. Cheapest is probably $60.

[ch_123]

Yeah, but not all expensive mice are good.

[gr1m]

Bestbuy? Staples? Are those where you bought your higher end computers that are faster and "more upgraded" than mine from? Besides, this isn't about who's computer is better. This is largely about your IBM CRT thread where your stance is that spending money on any current item is retarded and that 1996 dumpster components are the way to go. Surely your faster and "more upgraded" components aren't from 1996? Maybe 1996 mice cost a lot because they're considered valuable antiques?

[ch_123]

I get computers people throw away or don't want (I've never seen any computers in actual dumpsters before). And I bet my higher end computers are faster and more upgraded than yours.

But my older computers can do stuff new ones can't, so I still enjoy them.

And yes, if you buy brand new OEM stuff, $100 is perfectly normal. If you think it's strange, go to bestbuy, staples, or any store like that and see how much the mice there cost. They're not cheap. Cheapest is probably $60.

Upgrading? You mean like buying a new IBM PC to go from a 5 year old CPU to a 4 year old one?

[EverythingIBM]

Bestbuy? Staples? Are those where you bought your higher end computers that are faster and "more upgraded" than mine from? Besides, this isn't about who's computer is better. This is largely about your IBM CRT thread where your stance is that spending money on any current item is retarded and that 1996 dumpster components are the way to go. Surely your faster and "more upgraded" components aren't from 1996? Maybe 1996 mice cost a lot because they're considered valuable antiques?

Upgrading? You mean like buying a new IBM PC to go from a 5 year old CPU to a 4 year old one?

Are you sure you two aren't distant cousins? You sure sound the same.

[instantkamera]

What's amazing about these, is that they were released in 2002. And Apple just released their "magic" mouse which supports 360 scolling... ahh... 7 years too late.

3 years, technically the mighty mouse they released in 2005 was also capable of 360 troll...err...scrolling.

That is actually a decent looking mouse, especially the lighter coloured one.

I was able to buy one right before crapovo discontinued them. Sadly, mine had a lenovo logo (which, I wouldn't have bought if I knew); but a little sandpaper solved that.

I dont get that. Why are you so hostile against a company who sold you a product with their logo on it that, by your account:

These things are quite durable, I spilled a bunch of juice in mine, and it still works. Had it for 2 years now, use it every day.

[EverythingIBM]

3 years, technically the mighty mouse they released in 2005 was also capable of 360 troll...err...scrolling.

That is actually a decent looking mouse, especially the lighter coloured one.

I dont get that. Why are you so hostile against a company who sold you a product with their logo on it that, by your account:

If you've read other members' response (with mine), the lenovo logo looks quite ugly in my opinion. I'd rather have it blank.

Also, the fact that they discontinued it doesn't put them in any more of a positive light for me.

[Rajagra]

Firstly, I thought the drivers for these were no good - couldn't scroll in FF for example - but newer drivers (6.37) fixed most things.

Also, guess what I found on ebay?

Scrollpoint mouse? Check.
Pro version? Check.
IBM logo? Check.
Antique Sage colour? Check.



$25.30 + $13.99 shipping.
3 available, I might nab one despite the international postage ($27).

[netwebber]

Hate to break it to you, but this is not actually for sale. I've emailed the seller twice and even clicked "Buy It Now" and "Commit to Pay" a month ago. I haven't heard a peep.

I was disappointed too.

[Rajagra]

How odd. I was holding off due to high international shipping, poor feedback, one-sided terms, and no mention of whether they were new or used.

Thanks for the warning.

At least some good came out of it. With the new drivers I'm using my (non-pro) scrollpoint mouse and I'm loving the way it scrolls. Matches or even beats the free-spinning wheel on my Logitech G9 (for scrolling purposes anyway.)

[netwebber]

How odd. I was holding off due to high international shipping, poor feedback, one-sided terms, and no mention of whether they were new or used.

Thanks for the warning.

At least some good came out of it. With the new drivers I'm using my (non-pro) scrollpoint mouse and I'm loving the way it scrolls. Matches or even beats the free-spinning wheel on my Logitech G9 (for scrolling purposes anyway.)

You're welcome. I wish some legit ones would come up.

I love the Scrollpoint. It's great for long documents, But I still like the Logitech scroll wheel for tasks which have a lot of start/stop scrolling. I don't mind the ambidextrous design; I sometimes keep my Scrollpoint to the left of the keyboard. It makes a great second mouse. The one reason I want the Pro is the thumb button, rather than the awkwardly-placed and useless middle button you can't hit without scrolling.

I've gotten so used to the G500 and G700's multiple buttons that I don't think I could go back to a 3-button or even 5-button mouse.

[ch_123]

Hate to break it to you, but this is not actually for sale. I've emailed the seller twice and even clicked "Buy It Now" and "Commit to Pay" a month ago. I haven't heard a peep.

I was disappointed too.

****, I paid him money for one now... I'll give him a week and file a complaint.

[itlnstln]

Wow, I have never seen feedback that low before.

[ch_123]

Well, he's only got five bad feedback in the past year...

[netwebber]

I just got a Scrollpoint Pro from a seller on Amazon. It's a very comfortable mouse. It's very similar in shape to the Logitech G700, but with a slightly higher curve on the left. This leads to a hand position that's rotated at a slightly higher angle.

The Scrollpoint Pro's sensor is located in the middle of the mouse. I tend to use a claw-type grip with middle-sensor mice, but this mouse is too high for me to use a comfortable claw grip. I realize now Logitech's wisdom putting the sensor toward the front of the G700. On the G700, you can move horizontally with a "yaw" motion - you can keep the back of the mouse anchored and rotate the front of the mouse several inches side to side.  On the Scrollpoint (and other mice that have the sensor in the middle or rear), you have to move the whole mouse for large horizontal distances.

The ScrollPoint Pro's 800 dpi is fine for multiple monitors at high sensitivity (I usually run a 1900x1200 next to a 1600x1200 in portrait mode. My sensitivity on Win7 is set at 9/11, with no acceleration. Forget about gaming with this thing if you use the wheel for anything--the Scrollpoint is useless for switching weapons and has no tactile tilt function. The sensor is a standard 800 dpi optical sensor, the same as on the original Scrollpoint and countless other mice. It seems reliable.

The Scrollpoint Pro's side button is a vast improvement over the middle button on the original Scrollpoint, but the tilt buttons are mapped to the Scrollpoint to retain Intellimouse compatibility. So that leaves only three buttons: primary, secondary, and side. They have a nice tactile click but are not too difficult to press. They can be remapped with the Lenovo Mouse Suite, but sadly not to any modifiers. It's nice to have a CTRL button on the mouse for zooming or an ALT for Photoshop.

Happily, the IBM logo is placed such that it's not in danger of rubbing off.

The Scrollpoint joystick itself is different from the one on the original Scrollpoint mouse. It's the same width but thinner front to back. The texture also seems rougher, giving a better grip. The new design is a little easier to use.

The IBM ASM P/N is 24P0504, and the FRU P/N is 24P0505. Most of the 800dpi Scrollpoint Pro Optical mice had the P/N 31P8700. I don't think there's any difference.

It looks like this place has two in stock for $45 each.

I don't see the Scrollpoint Pro becoming my primary mouse, especially since I love my G700 and have gotten used to having 13 buttons at my disposal (as I noted above). But the Scrollpoint Pro will have a place on my desk for reading long documents and navigating spreadsheets. It's a much better design than the original Scrollpoint mouse. Interestingly, the Pro is even comfortable in my left had. It's not exactly ergonomic, but hardly worse than the original MS Mouse/Intellimouse.

[netwebber]

I just picked up two more ScrollPoint Pros on eBay... debating whether to sell one. (The seller had them listed as "scroll point" mice.
It's a really comfortable mouse, and the third button placement is much better than on the symmetrical blue Scrollpoint. Those folks at the Almaden Research center were right: a resistive joystick mechanism really is more natural for scrolling than a wheel, or even a touchpad. Combined with the Chromium Wheel Smooth Scroller, scanning long web pages is a breeze.

[jikrocentrist]

Nice find! I asked him about international shipping and was quoted $85 (to Europe). I want one bad, but $85 is just insane.

I bought a Lenovo Scrollpoint Pro to my girlfriend, but the joystick broke from the board after about two years. She doesn't want to go back to scrolling wheel again, so I'm searching for another. This forum is the best source of information I have found so far.

Also, guess what I found on ebay?

Scrollpoint mouse? Check.
Pro version? Check.
IBM logo? Check.
Antique Sage colour? Check.



$25.30 + $13.99 shipping.
3 available, I might nab one despite the international postage ($27).

[ricercar]

Oh that reminds me. Is this a set of scrollpoints? They were at my surplus place yesterday. I can go back and snag them if they're popular.

[lowpoly]

Two pros on ebay Germany right now.

I got a pro some time ago but two things put me off: the ball and missing buttons 4 + 5 which I use for browser forward and backward. I think I never even connected it. Will do tomorrow!

The silver/white version is beautiful.

[EverythingIBM]

Oh that reminds me. Is this a set of scrollpoints? They were at my surplus place yesterday. I can go back and snag them if they're popular.

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The one with the grey stick on the left isn't IBM as far as I can tell (doesn't look IBMish). Yeah, those are the scrollpoint Is, with the old style trackpoint nib before it was switched to a stick.
Generally most IBM peripherals are not "popular," which surprises me since they're WAY better than logitech or stock HP trash. Although the older scrollpoints *are* a little less common now.

Yeah ricercar, they're the older non-pro ScrollPoint mice. I'd be interested in the lower right one if it was optical and USB but I kind of doubt it is.

No the white ones are ball-based with PS/2. The black version of those are USB however and optical.

Nice find! I asked him about international shipping and was quoted $85 (to Europe). I want one bad, but $85 is just insane.

I bought a Lenovo Scrollpoint Pro to my girlfriend, but the joystick broke from the board after about two years. She doesn't want to go back to scrolling wheel again, so I'm searching for another. This forum is the best source of information I have found so far.

Actually that seller doesn't really have any (they never shipped out). So, it's a dead end. One member here had to go to a fair amount of trouble for a refund.
I still have my lenovo scrollpoint pro and it's going to be (three?) years old soon (I think you should adjust the stick's sensitivity so you don't break it).

Yeah, you shouldn't have spoiled your girlfriend: don't get her an IBM Model M keyboard otherwise she'll never want to use a rubber dome again.

[EverythingIBM]

Okay I just opened up my scrollpoint pro to clean out the stick (which had juice residue).

[excuse the bad quality of photos]

Interestingly enough, the mouse uses two circuit boards, much like the very first PS/2 IBM mouse. One PCB houses the scrollpoint stick and button assembly, and the bottom PCB, which houses the laser and logic chips... as well as plugin for the cord.

One flaw I noted was the buttons just use tiny picks of plastic to hit the button clickers. After lots of clicking, the plastic picks wear down (well mine was just worn down on the left button, nothing durastic, but after say eight years, it would be ground down pretty well: but I've used it straight for three years, so it's not too bad). I just covered them with masking tape... SO... it's adviseable to cover these up with something to prevent major wearing of the rather soft ABS plastic. Yeah, that's another thing, very soft ABS.

Sadly I can't take the scrollpoint stick apart, so, I just have to kind of flush it out with some water... working so far.

It kind of makes sense as to why IBM (rather LENOVO) discontinued these... all of the sections and assembly take a lot of pieces, and isn't as simple as one would first guess (Especially the top part). Probably one of the most interesting things I've opened up in a long time. The expense to make these would be a lot more than a typical mouse which requires only one PCB, and not so many complex parts for the top part. And that's exactly what lenovo sells now!

PS: upon opening it, there's a few specific things you have to do, it's not just unscrew and it'll come apart. You actually have to pop off the scrollpoint nub, it's fairly snug but does come off and needs to.

[ch_123]

Two pros on ebay Germany right now.

I got a pro some time ago but two things put me off: the ball and missing buttons 4 + 5 which I use for browser forward and backward. I think I never even connected it. Will do tomorrow!

The silver/white version is beautiful.

I thought all the Pro versions were optical?

The guy on German eBay wants 30 euros to ship a mouse from Germany to Ireland. Christ...

[EverythingIBM]

I thought all the Pro versions were optical?

The guy on German eBay wants 30 euros to ship a mouse from Germany to Ireland. Christ...

Yes all pro versions are optical.