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Title: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - awaiting GB thread approval...
Post by: tex_live_utility on Fri, 31 May 2019, 10:21:11
(https://i.imgur.com/UDJ0WZo.png)
DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020, aka Moogle kit 2020

This is a compatibility kit for Comptec DCS keycaps from vintage Wyse keyboards. These are gorgeous doubleshot ABS keycaps with a classy and subtly colorful aesthetic. The new kits will be produced by Signature Plastics. I am hoping to continue the long tradition of Moogle kits with a modern group buy at accessible prices, but with higher quantities than in the past. Let's save vintage keycaps from the garbage dump!

For a "beginner introduction" to what this is all about, refer to my post on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/f7fjob/ic_compatibility_kits_for_vintage_wyse_keycaps/).

See here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100969.msg2881978#msg2881978) for the latest update, and please fill out the interest check survey (https://forms.gle/EX2TYt1Q5pkvkDmN8)!

(https://i.imgur.com/TbVktzk.png)

Note that the ISO Enter legend is a bit weird in KLE. Here is what it will look like:
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(https://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-ktpi93fl/products/87/images/1257/whiteISO__02253.1525808767.1280.1280.jpg)

The Shift and Menu icons will be standard SP legends, as shown here:
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(https://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-ktpi93fl/products/87/images/2696/IMG_7324__67752.1576788208.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)


Pricing & MOQs

GB dates: April 1 - April 30

USA: Me, aka Salt Rock Lamp
Korean: Luffy_Kr
Europe: MyKeyboard (https://mykeyboard.eu/)
Australia: Dailyclack (https://dailyclack.com/)
Singapore: iLumKB (https://ilumkb.com/)

The PCE kit is sufficient for using keycaps from keyboards with the "PC Enhanced" (aka "PCE") layout. The ASCII kit provides additional compatibility for "ASCII" layout keyboards such as from the WY60 and WY30 terminals. The Future kit is for additional compatibility with various modern keyboard layouts.

ASCII and Gate Array keycaps also have text-only modifier legends in a nonstandard top-left position, while the PC Enhanced keycaps have text+icon modifiers in standard center-left position. Signature Plastics DCS legends are positioned center-left, so I am choosing legends to match the PC Enhanced design. The ASCII and Gate Array modifiers will still look good with this kit, but it won't be a perfect 1:1 match.

Note that ASCII-layout keycaps tend to be in worse condition than others. I will do my best to color match across Wyse variants, but brand-new ABS will never match the appearance of well-worn and sun-yellowed ABS.

Signature Plastics stock colors (see here (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/colors) for official color samples)
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(https://deskthority.net/wiki/images/c/ce/WYSE_SP_colors_001.jpg)

There is a similar interest check by Luffy on KBDLab (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_gb_poll&document_srl=5968615). We have combined our projects, so he will be the Korean vendor for this kit.

If you have any questions, please PM me here or contact me on Discord at salt rock lamp#0679.

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Thank you to everyone who has helped with this project so far!
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: merlin64 on Fri, 31 May 2019, 10:43:59
Consider me interested!!! Been waiting for this for a loong time.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 31 May 2019, 10:48:35
Keeping an eye on this.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 31 May 2019, 11:03:12
Fair warning: Signature Plastics has quite some variance between resin batches, so the keys from the new kit can very possibly be of a different shade.

Example: SP ran out of yellow during production for SA Strong Spirit, they ordered more resin and you can see how this affected the final set. And this was from the same production run, now consider ordering a kit for a set that is multiple decades old.

(https://i.imgur.com/crYzjDq.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: tex_live_utility on Fri, 31 May 2019, 11:40:19
Quote from: Oblotzky on Fri, 31 May 2019, 11:03:12
Fair warning: Signature Plastics has quite some variance between resin batches, so the keys from the new kit can very possibly be of a different shade.

Example: SP ran out of yellow during production for SA Strong Spirit, they ordered more resin and you can see how this affected the final set. And this was from the same production run, now consider ordering a kit for a set that is multiple decades old.

That's a great point. Not to mention all of these caps were made by Comptec, not SP.

IMO that kind of color variance within a single kit would be unacceptable; between kits, maybe I could live with it. Hopefully that was a one-time thing, but I'll have to bring it up with SP if this ever goes to production.

I fortunately have several Wyse boards from various years, in various models, and in various states of "decay". I'll have to order some color chips and compare under various light conditions.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 31 May 2019, 11:40:31
A new Moogle kit? Mmm I'm interested. As for color-matching wouldn't it be best if an OG DCS set is sent to them as a sample for them to color-match it?
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: Myoth on Fri, 31 May 2019, 11:54:54
I have tons of DCS, please make this happen !! I'd be in on this !
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: mrkevint on Fri, 31 May 2019, 14:14:56
I'm definitely in! DCS Wyse is a classic set that I'd love to put on my keyboard. The moogle kits are so rare now.

I actually have DSA Wyse and DCS SoWaRe, but they're not the same lol.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: catamscott on Sat, 01 June 2019, 10:40:47
i'd be 100% in, might even buy a couple to help make moq. hopefully this can attract enough attention to end up happening, those wyse keysets look too damn good to not use.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: jrs on Sat, 01 June 2019, 10:42:06
I hope the group buy is successful, I have always likes the old Wyse keysets.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sun, 02 June 2019, 07:06:35
Quote from: LightningXI on Fri, 31 May 2019, 11:40:31
A new Moogle kit? Mmm I'm interested. As for color-matching wouldn't it be best if an OG DCS set is sent to them as a sample for them to color-match it?

Good point on this as well. Will gather some keycap samples and ask about custom color pricing from SP.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: fer.real on Sun, 02 June 2019, 08:03:40
Going beyond color, aren't modern DCS keycaps much thinner than the WYSE ones?  The caps on my WYSE keyboard are much thicker than DCS caps I have from grab bags.  Wouldn't the sound and feel be very different between the OG caps and this kit?
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: catamscott on Sun, 02 June 2019, 11:25:53
Quote from: fer.real on Sun, 02 June 2019, 08:03:40
Going beyond color, aren't modern DCS keycaps much thinner than the WYSE ones?  The caps on my WYSE keyboard are much thicker than DCS caps I have from grab bags.  Wouldn't the sound and feel be very different between the OG caps and this kit?

i think the majority of wyse keycaps are thin, though there are some that have thick keycaps. i don't have any modern dcs keycaps for comparison, but the wyse keycaps i've got (from two wy-50s and one wy-85) are all quite thin. would you mind sharing some pics of your keycaps?
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: stevesie on Sun, 02 June 2019, 11:29:41
I think this looks great! I'd be down for one, I think.

As for the color variation, as long as it doesn't change within the same set, it would work for me. For a 60%, the mods would all be from this set, so it would be all new caps except the spacebar, which I can deal with.

Either way, from the 3-5 wyse sets I have, if you're looking for color matching, it's going to be difficult unless you have pristine, NOS caps from a board sitting around. Most of mine have been yellowed.

Also, as for the thickness of the caps, there seems to be variance in thickness depending on the era of the caps that you have. I have 3-4 different types of caps in my sets. One that is the super thick doubleshots, one doubleshots that aren't as thick, and one (mostly) set of thin that I can't remember if it's doubleshot. There are also color variants as well. Some of what I have are actually black doubleshot instead of the blue.

Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: stevesie on Sun, 02 June 2019, 11:48:53
Quote from: catamscott on Sun, 02 June 2019, 11:25:53

i think the majority of wyse keycaps are thin, though there are some that have thick keycaps. i don't have any modern dcs keycaps for comparison, but the wyse keycaps i've got (from two wy-50s and one wy-85) are all quite thin. would you mind sharing some pics of your keycaps?

I'm not the OP you replied to, but I have a pic of my cap variance, as best I can. I got all mine from a guy who harvested all the blacks from a few boards or sold them without caps and didn't want the caps, so there's a ton of various sets in there. I have 1.75 sets of the thick doubleshots and various amounts of mostly complete different thinner ones. I suspect no one wanted them because they were incomplete, but now I am overflowing with wyse caps of various sizes. I should one day sort them into sets of approximate time period and doubleshot styles...

The leftmost cap in the pic is: .08" thick and the rest are: ~.04" There is a lip on the inside of the edge, so an accurate measurement with my calipers is difficult.

(https://i.imgur.com/PEvRziH.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: fer.real on Sun, 02 June 2019, 12:35:39
Quote from: catamscott on Sun, 02 June 2019, 11:25:53
Quote from: fer.real on Sun, 02 June 2019, 08:03:40
Going beyond color, aren't modern DCS keycaps much thinner than the WYSE ones?  The caps on my WYSE keyboard are much thicker than DCS caps I have from grab bags.  Wouldn't the sound and feel be very different between the OG caps and this kit?

i think the majority of wyse keycaps are thin, though there are some that have thick keycaps. i don't have any modern dcs keycaps for comparison, but the wyse keycaps i've got (from two wy-50s and one wy-85) are all quite thin. would you mind sharing some pics of your keycaps?

Quote from: stevesie on Sun, 02 June 2019, 11:48:53
Quote from: catamscott on Sun, 02 June 2019, 11:25:53

i think the majority of wyse keycaps are thin, though there are some that have thick keycaps. i don't have any modern dcs keycaps for comparison, but the wyse keycaps i've got (from two wy-50s and one wy-85) are all quite thin. would you mind sharing some pics of your keycaps?

I'm not the OP you replied to, but I have a pic of my cap variance, as best I can. I got all mine from a guy who harvested all the blacks from a few boards or sold them without caps and didn't want the caps, so there's a ton of various sets in there. I have 1.75 sets of the thick doubleshots and various amounts of mostly complete different thinner ones. I suspect no one wanted them because they were incomplete, but now I am overflowing with wyse caps of various sizes. I should one day sort them into sets of approximate time period and doubleshot styles...

The leftmost cap in the pic is: .08" thick and the rest are: ~.04" There is a lip on the inside of the edge, so an accurate measurement with my calipers is difficult.

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(https://i.imgur.com/PEvRziH.jpg)


My results are similar.  Original caps come in at a whopping 1.85mm - 1.92mm.  So thick I had to double-check my calipers.  New ones were a wimpy .9mm - .95mm.

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Edit: punctuation.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: catamscott on Sun, 02 June 2019, 13:04:50
Quote from: stevesie on Sun, 02 June 2019, 11:48:53
Quote from: catamscott on Sun, 02 June 2019, 11:25:53

i think the majority of wyse keycaps are thin, though there are some that have thick keycaps. i don't have any modern dcs keycaps for comparison, but the wyse keycaps i've got (from two wy-50s and one wy-85) are all quite thin. would you mind sharing some pics of your keycaps?

I'm not the OP you replied to, but I have a pic of my cap variance, as best I can. I got all mine from a guy who harvested all the blacks from a few boards or sold them without caps and didn't want the caps, so there's a ton of various sets in there. I have 1.75 sets of the thick doubleshots and various amounts of mostly complete different thinner ones. I suspect no one wanted them because they were incomplete, but now I am overflowing with wyse caps of various sizes. I should one day sort them into sets of approximate time period and doubleshot styles...

The leftmost cap in the pic is: .08" thick and the rest are: ~.04" There is a lip on the inside of the edge, so an accurate measurement with my calipers is difficult.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/PEvRziH.jpg)


very cool! i was mostly curious as to what the thicker caps looked like, i've read that they exist but haven't seen them. i love how much mystery there is surrounding a lot of vintage keyboards, with these keycap thickness disparities being a prime example.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: merlin64 on Mon, 03 June 2019, 09:24:11
Signature plastics also never made the Wyse caps.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: HungerMechanic on Tue, 04 June 2019, 11:21:24
I pretty much have to be interested in these. I have two sets of original Wyse keycaps, and two Moogle kits. [But more is always good].

There is indeed variance in the Wyse keycap thickness. I have some very classic Wyse keycaps from the COMPTEC era. And they are reasonably thick.

Maybe I should post photos, if I get a chance. They aren't the .9mm you see in the 'modern' DCS keycaps, when they went to thinner molds.

They are about as thick as GMK, I reckon, and lower-pitched in sound.

The only thing I might request for the Moogle kit is a blue spacebar, same shade as the text. The white spacebars can be a bit plain.

But I'm going to use a Cherry-profile spacebar anyway, DCS spacebar is borderline unusable on a modern board.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: HungerMechanic on Tue, 04 June 2019, 12:19:31
Okay, here are the Wyse DCS keycaps that I am using right now:

(https://i.imgur.com/i8xbodH.jpg)

The blue/gray keycaps in the centre are the Wyse terminal DCS alphas. The gray/black keycaps at the top left and right edges are modifiers from a Wyse Moogle Kit, and the bottom red keycaps are GMK alpha keys.

You can see that the Wyse keycaps are similar in thickness to the GMK keycaps. Both sets are alphas, and are in fact the WASD keys of both sets.

The Moogle kit is clearly made from a thinner variant of DCS.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: jrs on Wed, 18 September 2019, 20:05:01
Are you still planning this group buy?
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: zqs1qiwan on Fri, 20 September 2019, 17:06:12
Count me interested, a good news for OG keyboard lovers
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: tex_live_utility on Thu, 24 October 2019, 23:18:46
Quote from: jrs on Wed, 18 September 2019, 20:05:01
Are you still planning this group buy?

Apologies for the long absence. Yes, I would still like to run this group buy. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit
Post by: Themonkeyswrench on Thu, 24 October 2019, 23:21:59
I'd be all over this.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit - survey added!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Fri, 25 October 2019, 11:50:29
Interest check survey added :eek:

Link is in OP.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit - survey added!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sat, 26 October 2019, 12:07:21
(https://pictshare.net/oya4nk.png)

 :p

Help preserve vintage keysets! Fill out the form :-*
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit - survey added!
Post by: catamscott on Sat, 26 October 2019, 13:06:28
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Sat, 26 October 2019, 12:07:21
Show Image
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 :p

Help preserve vintage keysets! Fill out the form :-*

lol
still super interested in this, even with all the nice keysets that have been running i would hop on this in a heartbeat
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit - survey added!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 30 October 2019, 20:28:32
Project update: trying to work out a different kit design that could make things significantly cheaper. Specifically I am going to try and splitting up the kits so that the most popular keys will be available at a lower price. I've reached out to SP for a new round of quotes and I will update if there is any good news.
Title: Re: [IC] SP DCS Wyse compatibility kit - survey added! Updates coming soon...
Post by: zqs1qiwan on Tue, 05 November 2019, 20:25:16
I harvested a few kinda NIB esprit/unitek/g80-0472 keyboards these days, got some impressive DCS doubleshot OG keycaps, I'll put my purchase willing to '5 or more', pls gib OP!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 06 November 2019, 11:27:43
New kits and new pricing posted! Please read and fill out the new IC form :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Mon, 11 November 2019, 01:37:06
Thanks for the survey feedback so far. Keep it coming!

I got a request for a 6u spacebar. I like 6u myself but it's very uncommon (other than the glorious "true HHKB" layout on the IDB60). Is this something other people might want?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: HWHobby on Wed, 13 November 2019, 17:37:37
Would love to see this go through, I have a set I would love to complete and be able to use. If you could split the spacebar kit or make one large kit with everything and bring the whole price down, I think it would make sense.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 13 November 2019, 23:33:12
Quote from: HWHobby on Wed, 13 November 2019, 17:37:37
Would love to see this go through, I have a set I would love to complete and be able to use. If you could split the spacebar kit or make one large kit with everything and bring the whole price down, I think it would make sense.

Signature Plastics told me that combining my kits will not reduce the price. Therefore this seems like the most reasonable balance of convenience and price per each kit.

Do note that the PCE kit is exclusively spacebars and bottom-row modifiers. If you only need a spacebar, I suggest contacting SP directly and ordering a single keycap, I think it's around $10. However I'm not aware of any Wyse keyboard where only a spacebar is required for compatibility.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: Ensaum on Thu, 14 November 2019, 00:19:57
Would it be possible to add in r1 del, r2 page up, and r3 page down to the future kit? Adding these 3 keys would add support for 65% layouts. I'd really like to fill out my discipline65 with a pce set.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Thu, 14 November 2019, 02:15:32
Quote from: Ensaum on Thu, 14 November 2019, 00:19:57
Would it be possible to add in r1 del, r2 page up, and r3 page down to the future kit? Adding these 3 keys would add support for 65% layouts. I'd really like to fill out my discipline65 with a pce set.

That's a good idea, since it also covers 75%. Please do fill out the interest check form and mention 65% legend support in the comments field.

I'll ask SP for a quote. But I can't guarantee that they'll be added. With respect to kit pricing, we are already at the high end of what it seems the market (and my Korean counterpart) will bear.

My objective here is to make it physically possible to use DCS Wyse keycaps on modern keyboards. Those 1u keys aren't strictly needed since you can put numpad keys (or other extra caps) there instead. So it's a tradeoff between "possibly increased appeal" and "keeping the price low for everyone". I'll update on this when I can.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: Ensaum on Thu, 14 November 2019, 12:32:50
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Thu, 14 November 2019, 02:15:32
Quote from: Ensaum on Thu, 14 November 2019, 00:19:57
Would it be possible to add in r1 del, r2 page up, and r3 page down to the future kit? Adding these 3 keys would add support for 65% layouts. I'd really like to fill out my discipline65 with a pce set.

That's a good idea, since it also covers 75%. Please do fill out the interest check form and mention 65% legend support in the comments field.

I'll ask SP for a quote. But I can't guarantee that they'll be added. With respect to kit pricing, we are already at the high end of what it seems the market (and my Korean counterpart) will bear.

My objective here is to make it physically possible to use DCS Wyse keycaps on modern keyboards. Those 1u keys aren't strictly needed since you can put numpad keys (or other extra caps) there instead. So it's a tradeoff between "possibly increased appeal" and "keeping the price low for everyone". I'll update on this when I can.

Alright, filled out. I figured it would fit well in the future kit since it's goal is to increase compatibility with modern layouts. I personally wouldn't mind paying $5-$10 more for those keys.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Fri, 15 November 2019, 10:40:27
Quote from: Ensaum on Thu, 14 November 2019, 12:32:50
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Thu, 14 November 2019, 02:15:32
Quote from: Ensaum on Thu, 14 November 2019, 00:19:57
Would it be possible to add in r1 del, r2 page up, and r3 page down to the future kit? Adding these 3 keys would add support for 65% layouts. I'd really like to fill out my discipline65 with a pce set.

That's a good idea, since it also covers 75%. Please do fill out the interest check form and mention 65% legend support in the comments field.

I'll ask SP for a quote. But I can't guarantee that they'll be added. With respect to kit pricing, we are already at the high end of what it seems the market (and my Korean counterpart) will bear.

My objective here is to make it physically possible to use DCS Wyse keycaps on modern keyboards. Those 1u keys aren't strictly needed since you can put numpad keys (or other extra caps) there instead. So it's a tradeoff between "possibly increased appeal" and "keeping the price low for everyone". I'll update on this when I can.

Alright, filled out. I figured it would fit well in the future kit since it's goal is to increase compatibility with modern layouts. I personally wouldn't mind paying $5-$10 more for those keys.

Thanks!

Just keep in mind that I now have to juggle: full 1800 support (R1 Del, End, PgDn), HHKB support (R2 backspace, R4 Fn, and 65/75 support (various 1u R2 and R3 keys). Adding all of them would be prohibitively expensive, and splitting them into separate kits could lead to higher prices and lower order quantities. I'm open to suggestions on how to handle this.

In any case I appreciate the continued interest and hopefully we can get this to market early next year.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: Ensaum on Fri, 15 November 2019, 18:38:21
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Fri, 15 November 2019, 10:40:27
Quote from: Ensaum on Thu, 14 November 2019, 12:32:50
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Thu, 14 November 2019, 02:15:32
Quote from: Ensaum on Thu, 14 November 2019, 00:19:57
Would it be possible to add in r1 del, r2 page up, and r3 page down to the future kit? Adding these 3 keys would add support for 65% layouts. I'd really like to fill out my discipline65 with a pce set.

That's a good idea, since it also covers 75%. Please do fill out the interest check form and mention 65% legend support in the comments field.

I'll ask SP for a quote. But I can't guarantee that they'll be added. With respect to kit pricing, we are already at the high end of what it seems the market (and my Korean counterpart) will bear.

My objective here is to make it physically possible to use DCS Wyse keycaps on modern keyboards. Those 1u keys aren't strictly needed since you can put numpad keys (or other extra caps) there instead. So it's a tradeoff between "possibly increased appeal" and "keeping the price low for everyone". I'll update on this when I can.

Alright, filled out. I figured it would fit well in the future kit since it's goal is to increase compatibility with modern layouts. I personally wouldn't mind paying $5-$10 more for those keys.

Thanks!

Just keep in mind that I now have to juggle: full 1800 support (R1 Del, End, PgDn), HHKB support (R2 backspace, R4 Fn, and 65/75 support (various 1u R2 and R3 keys). Adding all of them would be prohibitively expensive, and splitting them into separate kits could lead to higher prices and lower order quantities. I'm open to suggestions on how to handle this.

In any case I appreciate the continued interest and hopefully we can get this to market early next year.

Maybe offer a blanks pack? Or does SP offer relegendables?

Edit: They do indeed offer relegendables in row 1, 2, and 3 on pmk. Not in GTD currently though.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sat, 16 November 2019, 02:41:57
What do you all think of these kits?

(https://pictshare.net/aak80q.png)

The Future kit now has better compatibility with 1800. And the newly separate ISO and Anachronism (accents) should be pretty cheap even at very low MOQ. SP pricing makes it much easier to separate kits compared to GMK.

I haven't gotten a quote for these yet... I will try with and without 65% keys to see how expensive it will get.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: Ensaum on Sat, 16 November 2019, 12:03:02
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Sat, 16 November 2019, 02:41:57
What do you all think of these kits?

Show Image
(https://pictshare.net/aak80q.png)


The Future kit now has better compatibility with 1800. And the newly separate ISO and Anachronism (accents) should be pretty cheap even at very low MOQ. SP pricing makes it much easier to separate kits compared to GMK.

I haven't gotten a quote for these yet... I will try with and without 65% keys to see how expensive it will get.

Look's great. I like the accent pack. Just need a couple more keys for 65%/75% compatibility now. Quick question though. What is the R3 Fn key for? I'm scratching my head trying to figure out a layout that would go with.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sat, 16 November 2019, 12:16:35
Quote from: Ensaum on Sat, 16 November 2019, 12:03:02
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Sat, 16 November 2019, 02:41:57
What do you all think of these kits?

Show Image
(https://pictshare.net/aak80q.png)


The Future kit now has better compatibility with 1800. And the newly separate ISO and Anachronism (accents) should be pretty cheap even at very low MOQ. SP pricing makes it much easier to separate kits compared to GMK.

I haven't gotten a quote for these yet... I will try with and without 65% keys to see how expensive it will get.

Look's great. I like the accent pack. Just need a couple more keys for 65%/75% compatibility now. Quick question though. What is the R3 Fn key for? I'm scratching my head trying to figure out a layout that would go with.

40%. It can be dropped if necessary to keep price low, or we can split it off into yet another kit for e.g. Minivan, JD40, Pearl owners.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: Ensaum on Sat, 16 November 2019, 12:37:25
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Sat, 16 November 2019, 12:16:35
Quote from: Ensaum on Sat, 16 November 2019, 12:03:02
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Sat, 16 November 2019, 02:41:57
What do you all think of these kits?

Show Image
(https://pictshare.net/aak80q.png)


The Future kit now has better compatibility with 1800. And the newly separate ISO and Anachronism (accents) should be pretty cheap even at very low MOQ. SP pricing makes it much easier to separate kits compared to GMK.

I haven't gotten a quote for these yet... I will try with and without 65% keys to see how expensive it will get.

Look's great. I like the accent pack. Just need a couple more keys for 65%/75% compatibility now. Quick question though. What is the R3 Fn key for? I'm scratching my head trying to figure out a layout that would go with.

40%. It can be dropped if necessary to keep price low, or we can split it off into yet another kit for e.g. Minivan, JD40, Pearl owners.

Ah, okay. Just asking because I noticed there also needs to be a R3 Control for HHKB campat and thought maybe it could take the place of that Function key.

Edit: Honestly, don't know much about 40%, but it looks like a few more keys would need to be added for proper 40s support anyways. Like a r2 Esc, a short Enter, a r3 tab, and probably some others too depending on layout.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sat, 16 November 2019, 19:29:16
Quote from: Ensaum on Sat, 16 November 2019, 12:37:25
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Sat, 16 November 2019, 12:16:35
Quote from: Ensaum on Sat, 16 November 2019, 12:03:02
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Sat, 16 November 2019, 02:41:57
What do you all think of these kits?

Show Image
(https://pictshare.net/aak80q.png)


The Future kit now has better compatibility with 1800. And the newly separate ISO and Anachronism (accents) should be pretty cheap even at very low MOQ. SP pricing makes it much easier to separate kits compared to GMK.

I haven't gotten a quote for these yet... I will try with and without 65% keys to see how expensive it will get.

Look's great. I like the accent pack. Just need a couple more keys for 65%/75% compatibility now. Quick question though. What is the R3 Fn key for? I'm scratching my head trying to figure out a layout that would go with.

40%. It can be dropped if necessary to keep price low, or we can split it off into yet another kit for e.g. Minivan, JD40, Pearl owners.

Ah, okay. Just asking because I noticed there also needs to be a R3 Control for HHKB campat and thought maybe it could take the place of that Function key.

Edit: Honestly, don't know much about 40%, but it looks like a few more keys would need to be added for proper 40s support anyways. Like a r2 Esc, a short Enter, a r3 tab, and probably some others too depending on layout.

Indeed.

However my concern with this kit first and foremost is making sure keys in the correct size and row exist at all. This is why I'm hesitant at all to include any legend compatibility; it's really not necessary, and just for aesthetics.

That is, on a 65%, you can always just use extra number pad keys or something like that.  On a 40%, you actually cannot have the correct profile keys in the correct position without adding this 1.25u R3 key.
This is something that GMK group buy runners consistently fail to recognize.

Basically, we will have to see what the quotes are like from SP. I don't exactly want to do another round of formal interest check surveys, but once I have a sense of pricing for a bigger kit, I will start being able to make decisions about what can stay and what needs to go.

In my opinion, having slightly mismatched keys is part of the fun love using vintage key caps. I care much more about having the right shape in the right size than having the right legends and colors. That of course is just my preference, and even though this is my project I don't want it to only appeal to my taste.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Mon, 18 November 2019, 16:22:41
Hopefully that last post didn't sound dismissive. Keep the suggestions coming, please!

Don't forget, at the end of the day we just want to keep these nice keysets out of the trash:

(https://i.imgur.com/y9ePaPC.jpg)

Picture credit due to TheInverseKey.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: Ensaum on Mon, 18 November 2019, 20:35:29
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Mon, 18 November 2019, 16:22:41
Hopefully that last post didn't sound dismissive. Keep the suggestions coming, please!

Don't forget, at the end of the day we just want to keep these nice keysets out of the trash:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/y9ePaPC.jpg)


Picture credit due to TheInverseKey.

Not dismissive at all. Just don't really have any more suggestions, haha. I also don't want my voice to be the only one here. Still super excited for this set and I'd like to try and find a NOS PCE after this runs. (also r3 control pls)

Edit: Hopefully I'm not overstepping, but here's a brainstorm of the changes that I personally would like to see.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Mon, 18 November 2019, 23:24:38
I don't think we can add more keys to the PCE kit. There will be sticker shock if it's over $40. So R3 Ctrl would probably have to be part of the Future kit.

Alt Gr isn't a bad idea, although I'm not sure how faithful it is to the original.

Let me run this by SP and see how expensive the Future kit gets. Then depending on that outcome we can decide. Maybe it needs to be broken into more kits or something, as long as price at 25 MOQ isn't too egregious.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: Ensaum on Mon, 18 November 2019, 23:30:37
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Mon, 18 November 2019, 23:24:38
I don't think we can add more keys to the PCE kit. There will be sticker shock if it's over $40. So R3 Ctrl would probably have to be part of the Future kit.

Alt Gr isn't a bad idea, although I'm not sure how faithful it is to the original.

Let me run this by SP and see how expensive the Future kit gets. Then depending on that outcome we can decide. Maybe it needs to be broken into more kits or something, as long as price at 25 MOQ isn't too egregious.

My thinking with R3 Control in the PCE kit is that it would give physical non-stepped caps lock support to pce sets for those who want it. (although I use stepped so I couldn't care less what kit it's in)

I just though Alt Gr was a "cool retro" touch. I'm not attached to it in any way if you don't like it.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 19 November 2019, 20:32:57
Noted. Again the feedback is appreciated.

By the way, I'm looking for a proxy in Europe. If you are interested, please PM me here or on Discord at salt rock lamp#0679. If all goes according to plan, we already have a Korean proxy established for Asia.

Title: Re: [IC] Compatibility kits for vintage Wyse keycaps
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 19 November 2019, 22:50:40
Update finally posted to Reddit! https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/dywrei/ic_compatibility_kits_for_vintage_wyse_keycaps/

Also lots of sexy Wyse photos headed your way https://imgur.com/a/tcQLWxf  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] Compatibility kits for vintage Wyse keycaps
Post by: Chimera on Wed, 20 November 2019, 00:47:33
Yeah. I've been trying to track down a lot anyways
Title: Re: [IC] Compatibility kits for vintage Wyse keycaps
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 26 November 2019, 08:00:35
Looks like we aren't going to get a final pricing update before Thanksgiving.

Some more updates:
Title: Re: [IC] Compatibility kits for vintage Wyse keycaps
Post by: HungerMechanic on Tue, 21 January 2020, 19:13:08
Has there been any development on this set?

I am interested in purchasing at least one of the kits + I really could use that 'anachronism' kit.
Title: Re: [IC] Compatibility kits for vintage Wyse keycaps
Post by: tex_live_utility on Thu, 23 January 2020, 09:10:52
Good thing you asked! Big update coming this week/weekend, keep your eyes open :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Compatibility kits for vintage Wyse keycaps
Post by: HungerMechanic on Thu, 23 January 2020, 19:02:00
All right. You know I'm in.
Title: Re: [IC] Compatibility kits for vintage Wyse keycaps
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 26 January 2020, 23:06:36
Here to wait for the update.
Title: Re: [IC] Compatibility kits for vintage Wyse keycaps
Post by: tex_live_utility on Mon, 27 January 2020, 09:03:57
The big update is here!!!

I want to start the GB in early March.

I now have pricing for the Euro and Anachronism kits. Both Euro and Anachronism should be $15 or less. My objective is to get as many of these kits made as I can, so I'm trying to get prices as low as possible while still making sure proxies will be paid for their effort, shipping is covered, sorting errors can be rectified, etc.

Speaking of proxy pricing, the European proxy will be Mykeyboard.eu. Proxy pricing is in the final stages.

It's been called to my attention that the original PCE keyboard has text + icon modifiers, whereas the ASCII and Gate Array keyboards have only text. Moreover, text+icon was used in the original Moogle kit group buy. At least one person has requested switching from text-only to text+icon. I'm attaching a KLE mockup here; note that the legends would still be standard SP legends, so the Shift key will have a closed bottom and the icons will be proportioned as usual compared to the text. I've been convinced to switch to text+icon modifiers for the sake of historical consistency. If anyone has strong feelings about the modifier legends, now is your chance to speak up.

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For the 1u "windows" key icon, I'm still deciding on whether to use a diamond, a star, or a vintage Windows 95 logo. I personally like the retro Windows logo best, but I will only use it if SP has it in stock and can make it doubleshot. Otherwise I will use the star icon as a homage to the original kit. The original kit had all 3, but for cost reasons we can only choose 1. Here's the Windows logo on a Filco:

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and here are the diamond and star options from a previous Moogle kit run:

[attach=2]

These photos should give a good sense of how the new caps will look. I am planning to use the same stock colors (although I'm aware of the "batch variation" problem that Oblotzky highlighted in an earlier post).

Edit: thank you to LightningXI for some very helpful feedback, as well as the sexy photo of the Moogle kit on the Filco.
Title: Re: [IC] Compatibility kits for vintage Wyse keycaps (Moogle kit 2020)
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 27 January 2020, 23:18:27
One last correction I could think of was that the Ctrl keys could all be spelled out as Control.
Title: Re: [IC] Compatibility kits for vintage Wyse keycaps (Moogle kit 2020)
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 11 February 2020, 13:44:10
Quote from: LightningXI on Mon, 27 January 2020, 23:18:27
One last correction I could think of was that the Ctrl keys could all be spelled out as Control.

Yup, this was pointed out to me already and will be fixed.
Title: Re: [IC] Compatibility kits for vintage Wyse keycaps (Moogle kit 2020)
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 11 February 2020, 23:05:07
Sorry for double post, but I'm still waiting on pricing information from Mykeyboard.eu. Thanks for being patient everyone!
Title: Re: [IC] Compatibility kits for vintage Wyse keycaps (Moogle kit 2020)
Post by: tex_live_utility on Fri, 21 February 2020, 12:12:03
Pricing from Mykeyboard is in! Currently finalizing things with Luffy before final prices are announced.

Currently looking for a last-minute vendor for SEA or Australia, since Luffy in Korea will not be able to ship internationally. Please let me know if you're willing to proxy :eek:

Some legend changes have been made:

Title: Re: [IC] Adapter kits for vintage Wyse keysets (aka Moogle kit) - March GB???
Post by: Quinella on Sat, 22 February 2020, 02:10:52
Daily Clack for OCE!
Title: Re: [IC] Adapter kits for vintage Wyse keysets (aka Moogle kit) - March GB???
Post by: Shadohhh on Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:43:34
Filled out the form. Everything seems reasonable. I hope this gets a chance to run. Would love these adapter kits.
Title: Re: [IC] Adapter kits for vintage Wyse keysets (aka Moogle kit) - March GB???
Post by: Zeroix7 on Sat, 29 February 2020, 08:03:40
Daily Clack for Aus vendor please!
Title: Re: [IC] Adapter kits for vintage Wyse keysets (aka Moogle kit) - March GB???
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sat, 07 March 2020, 19:13:24
Quote from: Zeroix7 on Sat, 29 February 2020, 08:03:40
Daily Clack for Aus vendor please!

Your wish has been granted :eek:

Update time!


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Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - GB April 1! Proxies announced!
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 07 March 2020, 20:39:37
Hyped.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - GB April 1! Proxies announced!
Post by: JwordFish on Tue, 10 March 2020, 17:18:25
Let’s go!! Can’t wait to upcycle some older and WYSE-er caps.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - GB April 1! Proxies announced!
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 10 March 2020, 18:13:20
Did you give up on the idea of a 65% compat kit?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - GB April 1! Proxies announced!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Thu, 12 March 2020, 13:10:57
Quote from: constexpr on Tue, 10 March 2020, 18:13:20
Did you give up on the idea of a 65% compat kit?

Not entirely. I have to badger SP to see what kind of pricing they can give me.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: HungerMechanic on Thu, 12 March 2020, 15:09:04
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Mon, 18 November 2019, 16:22:41
Hopefully that last post didn't sound dismissive. Keep the suggestions coming, please!

Don't forget, at the end of the day we just want to keep these nice keysets out of the trash:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/y9ePaPC.jpg)


Picture credit due to TheInverseKey.

Hey, does anyone know which WYSE board that is? One of my keycap sets is definitely from that.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Thu, 12 March 2020, 16:09:45
Quote from: HungerMechanic on Thu, 12 March 2020, 15:09:04
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Mon, 18 November 2019, 16:22:41
Hopefully that last post didn't sound dismissive. Keep the suggestions coming, please!

Don't forget, at the end of the day we just want to keep these nice keysets out of the trash:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/y9ePaPC.jpg)


Picture credit due to TheInverseKey.

Hey, does anyone know which WYSE board that is? One of my keycap sets is definitely from that.

It's usually called "Gate Array" layout. The PCE and ASCII kits together should work with these caps.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - GB April 1! Proxies announced!
Post by: monteyalps on Fri, 13 March 2020, 10:43:24
Just pulled the trigger on a WYSE PCE on ebay for $60 without even knowing this existed.

I'm in for a PCE set for sure!
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - GB April 1! Proxies announced!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 18 March 2020, 13:24:49
Quote from: constexpr on Tue, 10 March 2020, 18:13:20
Did you give up on the idea of a 65% compat kit?

What keys do you consider essential to 65%? Considering that you know my opinion - "just use the miscellaneous 1u keys anyway". Is just R2 PgUp and R3 PgDn sufficient?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - GB April 1! Proxies announced!
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 18 March 2020, 13:52:21
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Wed, 18 March 2020, 13:24:49
Quote from: constexpr on Tue, 10 March 2020, 18:13:20
Did you give up on the idea of a 65% compat kit?

What keys do you consider essential to 65%? Considering that you know my opinion - "just use the miscellaneous 1u keys anyway". Is just R2 PgUp and R3 PgDn sufficient?

The standard keys needed to cover most 65% and 75% layouts are: R1 Home, R1 Delete, R2 Delete, R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn, R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn, R4 End, R4 Fn. Some of these keys, like the R1 Home and R2 Delete, are covered by standard TKL nav keys, while others, like the R1 Delete and R4 Fn, are covered by compat for other layouts, such as 1800/CP and 60%/HHKB. That leaves just R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn, R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn, R4 End as strictly 65%/75% keys.

However, the situation here isn't as clear cut since there are several distinct layouts of Wyse keyboards that this kit is trying to cover, and not all of those keyboards come with keys that we would otherwise consider a given (e.g. the TKL nav keys). You'll have to take all of this into account and decide what's best for the kit overall.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - GB April 1! Proxies announced!
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 18 March 2020, 13:58:06
By the way, regardless of that, I think the Futurism kit should definitely have a R4 1u Fn key. As for the existing R3 1.25u Fn key, I'm not sure how useful that is. Is it intended for 40% layouts?
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse compatibiilty kit: new kits and pricing as of November 6!
Post by: HungerMechanic on Wed, 18 March 2020, 14:53:55
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Thu, 12 March 2020, 16:09:45

It's usually called "Gate Array" layout. The PCE and ASCII kits together should work with these caps.

Thanks. That's my assessment as well. I have two WYSE sets, and those two kits should work with either. Finally, I'll be able to use a good-condition set that is missing a bottom-row.

Gonna want those anachronistic accent keys, as well.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - GB April 1! Proxies announced!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 24 March 2020, 09:53:41
Quote from: constexpr on Wed, 18 March 2020, 13:52:21
Quote from: tex_live_utility on Wed, 18 March 2020, 13:24:49
Quote from: constexpr on Tue, 10 March 2020, 18:13:20
Did you give up on the idea of a 65% compat kit?

What keys do you consider essential to 65%? Considering that you know my opinion - "just use the miscellaneous 1u keys anyway". Is just R2 PgUp and R3 PgDn sufficient?

The standard keys needed to cover most 65% and 75% layouts are: R1 Home, R1 Delete, R2 Delete, R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn, R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn, R4 End, R4 Fn. Some of these keys, like the R1 Home and R2 Delete, are covered by standard TKL nav keys, while others, like the R1 Delete and R4 Fn, are covered by compat for other layouts, such as 1800/CP and 60%/HHKB. That leaves just R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn, R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn, R4 End as strictly 65%/75% keys.

However, the situation here isn't as clear cut since there are several distinct layouts of Wyse keyboards that this kit is trying to cover, and not all of those keyboards come with keys that we would otherwise consider a given (e.g. the TKL nav keys). You'll have to take all of this into account and decide what's best for the kit overall.

Agreed that it's not so clear cut. One obvious oversight in the existing kits is R2 Delete and R1 Insert, which are available in PCE but not ASCII boards.

Due to the current economic situation we are already looking at the possibility of reducing MOQs and splitting/reshuffling kits. I will try to take the above into account, but can't make any guarantees.

Quote from: constexpr on Wed, 18 March 2020, 13:58:06
By the way, regardless of that, I think the Futurism kit should definitely have a R4 1u Fn key. As for the existing R3 1.25u Fn key, I'm not sure how useful that is. Is it intended for 40% layouts?

I use HHKB layout mostly, so I consider this my territory. I don't think this key is needed at all for 60%. Use use an Up arrow. If you want split right shift on TKL (I do this) or 65/75... maybe, although I still think you should just use the "No Scroll" key from an ASCII board, or one of the 1u keys from the planned PCE kit. I'll consider it in conjunction with the above.
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - GB April 1! Proxies announced!
Post by: Shadohhh on Tue, 31 March 2020, 17:07:49
Tomorrow?  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - GB April 1! Proxies announced!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 31 March 2020, 19:36:48
Tomorrow, yes!! The group buy will run from April 1 through April 30.

Also, in light of the Coronavirus having a serious effect on the economy, we have decided to reshuffle the kits. I know, I know, I know: this is not ideal the night before the GB starts. I solicited quite a bit of feedback while developing these new kits, and we think that these kits will do a better job of hitting MOQs while keeping things affordable. Note that Signature Plastics pricing does NOT provide significant discounts for combining kits, so I tried to split things up in such a way that we are not forced to subsidize each other's particular preferences.

Final kits

(https://i.imgur.com/TbVktzk.png)

MOQs and pricing

Note that vendor pricing might be slightly different due to local taxes and exchange rates.


I know that we said the ASCII kit would be under $20. With the reduced MOQ, this proved to be unrealistic :(

That said, the most important "headline" cost is PCE + ASCII, which is $62.50. If you add the cost of a Wyse keyset to this price, you can still have a fully-covered keyboard (and standard numpad) for under $100.

Speaking of vintage keycaps... I'm working on a deal to try and get some original Wyse keysets to sell in conjunction with this group buy. So if you don't have a Wyse board already, you might be in luck! I won't have everything available on day 1 of the group buy, but it will all be announced long before the buy is over. I am also doing my best to adhere to the $100 total price tag stated above.

Thank you all for your continued interest and patience. I know this has been a slightly erratic interest check, and these are confusing unpredictable times. Let's all take solace in these beautiful old keycaps to see us into the summer months. I'm looking forward to getting this underway and getting these keycaps out into the world :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - going live TOMORROW !!!
Post by: Shadohhh on Wed, 01 April 2020, 19:09:03
Dang, got April fooled
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - going live TOMORROW !!!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 01 April 2020, 19:22:03
Waiting on thread approval  :'(

I guess start date is April 2 now....
Title: Re: [IC] DCS Wyse Compatibility Kit 2020 - awaiting GB thread approval...
Post by: Shadohhh on Wed, 01 April 2020, 19:35:39
Sweet appreciate the honest update :cool: