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geekhack Marketplace => Group Buys and Preorders => Topic started by: hazeluff on Tue, 25 October 2011, 20:03:25
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The word is we can't make them unless we get permission from Blizzard.
This means that this will most likely not happen.
Sorry guys. We tried. (Ragnorock is still trying...?)
Thanks for all the interest. I'll let you know if anything ever happens.
Enjoy a MOBA/QWER kit instead? (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?26772-Order-Thread-quot-GG-quot-ESC-QWER-Kit&p=503588#post503588)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm interested in getting a set of keycaps done for the different League emblems from Starcraft 2.
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At the moment I've done some designs.
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What do you guys think?
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Btw, Unless we get enough people getting the (probably) less liked lower division keys (bronze-gold?), I'm gonna say it's going to be a set. Kind of like Ragnarok's Portal 2 set (but doubleshot).
The number of sets people are currently interested in: >50 sets (Enough)
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Just posted in the other thread, but I'll run this too if you want. It won't ship out with my other group buys, but I could adapt my excel sheet really easily for all this.
I'm in, obviously. A set of doubleshots would be best imo. Diamond might still not come out too good, but we'll see what Melissa says.
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= D Really? That would be amazing. Since I'm trying to do something, I may act as EU distributor if we can get shipping to be cheaper.
RColinTaylor said he'd help out as well and the SVGs are with him. He said he'd pass them onto Melissa.
As for the Diamond emblem. It seemed very dull without the little details on the diamond, so I added some stuff. I'm pretty sure we'll find a way to decorate it and still meet the specs to be made (or just remove them).
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Do Want! 1 set
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Interested!
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Want, 2-3, and already have a friend who wants 2-3 as well.
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No I agree, the main reason I thought a diamond key wouldn't look good was because of the lack of detail, you pulled it off really well with what you did. I'm hoping that it does turn out decent as it is with no changes. We shouldn't get our hopes up too high (TL keycap) but it should look pretty good. The rest should be okay, but you may have to space out the "bars" in the lower league (and GM's wings) logos so that they conform with their specs.
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I'm in for at least 1 set if this ever takes off.
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No I agree, the main reason I thought a diamond key wouldn't look good was because of the lack of detail, you pulled it off really well with what you did. I'm hoping that it does turn out decent as it is with no changes. We shouldn't get our hopes up too high (TL keycap) but it should look pretty good. The rest should be okay, but you may have to space out the "bars" in the lower league (and GM's wings) logos so that they conform with their specs.
Yeah I remember reading that when I browsed the TL gb. I'll fix em up later. I pulled this stuff out quickly to see what it would look like generally.
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... and they look awesome man. Good work.
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take my money!!!! (in for one set)
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Interested if the price for these are anything like the SC2 Doubleshots I just ordered. :)
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Yeah I remember reading that when I browsed the TL gb. I'll fix em up later. I pulled this stuff out quickly to see what it would look like generally.
Sending out the email right now for these; having them checked out to see if there are any line-discrepancies...
Melissa is going to hate receiving emails from me after these last two weeks.
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Interested if the price for these are anything like the SC2 Doubleshots I just ordered. :)
Getting them done at the same place, so they should be in the same ballpark.
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Getting them done at the same place, so they should be in the same ballpark.
Maybe a little more because they are new designs.
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I'm interested in a set.
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Tentatively interested depending on cost.
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same^. i need cool modifiers 0.o
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How bad would everyone feel about doing them as a set rather than individuals? If there are 7 leagues, they should be under $10 a set by the time ordering is done. Since we'd likely run them as row 4 keys, everyone could use them for their control groups, and the more you use... the closer to GM you get. (lol)
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How bad would everyone feel about doing them as a set rather than individuals? If there are 7 leagues, they should be under $10 a set by the time ordering is done. Since we'd likely run them as row 4 keys, everyone could use them for their control groups, and the more you use... the closer to GM you get. (lol)
It is a set... its been a set since the beginning...
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Oh, k coolio.
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Oh, k coolio.
Yea, I shared your concerns from the start. I want Bronze keys but I doubt anyone else does.
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How bad would everyone feel about doing them as a set rather than individuals? If there are 7 leagues, they should be under $10 a set by the time ordering is done. Since we'd likely run them as row 4 keys, everyone could use them for their control groups, and the more you use... the closer to GM you get. (lol)
I like how you gave an example of how to use the keys. = D.
Yeah, I've subtly stated it somewhere that it'd be a set. Unless we get a good amount of buys on every design.
This looks like it might get somewhere. = D
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Well since I, like many others, don't have too much use for a whole bunch of Row 4 keys with the Portal keycap GB AND the SC2 race keys, I'm finding myself hard pressed to figure out where to put all the other random ones I want lol. I need em to make sense!
(Also why I wanted the Japan key to be capslock, or maybe even tab, since my modifiers are all going to be SC2 keys.)
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Well since I, like many others, don't have too much use for a whole bunch of Row 4 keys with the Portal keycap GB AND the SC2 race keys, I'm finding myself hard pressed to figure out where to put all the other random ones I want lol. I need em to make sense!
(Also why I wanted the Japan key to be capslock, or maybe even tab, since my modifiers are all going to be SC2 keys.)
The solution is buy more keyboards.
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The solution is buy more keyboards.
He just sold one... like a fool.
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Niceeee. Haha. I'd be in for one set as well.
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id be interested in a set
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oh man... its been crazy GB's this month but I'm in :smokin:
Also wouldnt mind if they are modifiers also since like others mentioned geting full of R4 keycaps.
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If there was one fewer key I'd say we could do the delete to page up set of 6... Thats an often overlooked section of "useless" keys.
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:) I'm interested!
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I'm interested as well !
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Please include me for 1 set!
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If there was one fewer key I'd say we could do the delete to page up set of 6... Thats an often overlooked section of "useless" keys.
That's actually a pretty great idea. Too bad there's that one extra key...
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Put me down for a set!
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Interested
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Interested in two sets. One for me (bronze), and a buddy (masters).
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Put me down for at least one set.
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Want whole set
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Interested in all of them
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What about the top 20 GM logo? I think there's a 'top 20' or 30 for all the league designations.
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Want.
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What about the top 20 GM logo? I think there's a 'top 20' or 30 for all the league designations.
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Maybe at a later date. Introducing the "top xxx" variations will add to many keys and make it way too expensive. Also It'd be hard to put in the detail to make them look nice. Also, I think it takes away from the design when we throw in more detail. These emblems are more recognizable than ones with the fancy wings underneath. Of course that's just my opinion.
I'll have a look into it, but not likely for this group buy.
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What about the top 20 GM logo? I think there's a 'top 20' or 30 for all the league designations.
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That will probably be too complicated.
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The solution is buy more keyboards.
Yeah. I've been pondering on getting a noppoo mini cho to bring into uni as the keyboards in our labs are horrendous (old membrane) and feels bad man.
Put all my new keycaps on that and just be a massive nerd.
If there was one fewer key I'd say we could do the delete to page up set of 6... Thats an often overlooked section of "useless" keys.
Strangely make the GM key a mod key? It does have extra width because of those wings. (I just looked down at my keyboard. 7 keys...7 mod keys...at least on my filco).
But honestly, prob not going to do that. (Tho I understand you're dillema. xD)
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I'm tentatively interested in an entire set, however i'd be more happy buying the keys separately
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I'm tentatively interested in an entire set, however i'd be more happy buying the keys separately
You'll need them for when you get promoted (or demoted =x, jkjk). = D
I'll take note of it, but the concern is that there won't be enough interest to get a few of the less popular ones going.
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I've got it! Since GM is really the only one truly above the rest, you could put it where the scroll lock key is and have it lord over them.
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You'll need them for when you get promoted (or demoted =x, jkjk). = D
I'll take note of it, but the concern is that there won't be enough interest to get a few of the less popular ones going.
Haha although I understand the concern with the lesser leagues not gaining interest, perhaps that isn't such a bad thing?
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I've got it! Since GM is really the only one truly above the rest, you could put it where the scroll lock key is and have it lord over them.
Interesting Idea. What about just replacing any old key, cos you shouldn't be looking for the letters you need to type.
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Id be interested in a GM/ master key. not a set
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Can I get a quick poll on the users that think the diamond emblem (in the game) is actually the best looking still? When masters and GM came out I was really disappointed in how boring they looked in comparison lol.
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Can I get a quick poll on the users that think the diamond emblem (in the game) is actually the best looking still? When masters and GM came out I was really disappointed in how boring they looked in comparison lol.
GM looks best.
Tho I like platinum too.
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Nice idea, I'd be up for 1-2 sets :)
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Definitely up for a set
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I'm in for at least one set.
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No problems for all the emails :). As unfortunate as this might sound, I need to know if you guys have permission from Starcraft to use their images as well. I know that we had made some of the Starcraft images in the past, but we need to cover ourselves for future orders...
Melissa Petersen
Signature Plastics LLC
It seems as though we are going to need to find out whether or not the images are protected.
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Oof this is teh suck.
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It seems as though we are going to need to find out whether or not the images are protected.
You've got to be kidding me. We've got so much interest in this group = (.
Shall one of us get in contact with blizzard?
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I'd be interested in a set
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You've got to be kidding me. We've got so much interest in this group = (.
Shall one of us get in contact with blizzard?
Email is almost done; sending it to their merchandising department.
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Email is almost done; sending it to their merchandising department.
You're a real trooper. *cross fingers...again*.
Please blizz, be nice. Do it for e-Sports.
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We should get Day[9] to talk about it on the daily. Think of the hordes that would come to our aide and email Blizzard (and participate in the buy!)
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You're a real trooper. *cross fingers...again*.
Please blizz, be nice. Do it for e-Sports.
Yea, I am not even sure if the images are copyrighted but I figured I would send out a lengthy explanation email to their merchandising/licensing department to se what we can achieve.
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oh god! cannot wait for Diablo 3 key caps if this happens!
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We should get Day[9] to talk about it on the daily. Think of the hordes that would come to our aide and email Blizzard (and participate in the buy!)
Good idea. Or Husky. These guys are amazing with the community. (Husky really got me into watch pro games + e-Sports). But lets see what Blizz replies with.
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A lot of those guys don't appreciate mechanical keyboards, they swear by their QSenn DT-35, I wouldn't even bother to be honest.
Contacting Blizzard for this stuff doesn't sound good, Blizzard is known to be really strict with their product, I can definitely see them saying no sadly ;(
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A lot of those guys don't appreciate mechanical keyboards, they swear by their QSenn DT-35, I wouldn't even bother to be honest.
Contacting Blizzard for this stuff doesn't sound good, Blizzard is known to be really strict with their product, I can definitely see them saying no sadly ;(
I know, but I'm gonna hope until they reply.
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A lot of those guys don't appreciate mechanical keyboards, they swear by their QSenn DT-35, I wouldn't even bother to be honest.
Contacting Blizzard for this stuff doesn't sound good, Blizzard is known to be really strict with their product, I can definitely see them saying no sadly ;(
Either we send it and they say no and we get no caps or we don't send an email and SP says no; there's no hurt in trying.
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Either we send it and they say no and we get no caps or we don't send an email and SP says no; there's no hurt in trying.
Oh for sure, I'm not saying don't send it. I was just trying to say how Blizzard is an ass when it comes to stuff like this that's all
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Oh for sure, I'm not saying don't send it. I was just trying to say how Blizzard is an ass when it comes to stuff like this that's all
Yeah, I know. = ( Along with a plethora of other companies (coughcoughlucascoughcouh).
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So RCT did you already send them an email? Say nothing about the others lol.
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So RCT did you already send them an email? Say nothing about the others lol.
How did Mellisa find out they were Starcraft graphics as well. We should of said they were just fake military badges or something.
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So RCT did you already send them an email? Say nothing about the others lol.
There was no mention of any of the other Blizzard buys; just this website/SP's website.
How did Mellisa find out they were Starcraft graphics as well. We should of said they were just fake military badges or something.
I am not in the business of trying to deceive our only asset at SP; being honest with Melissa is only fair considering how much she does for us.
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Those other SC2 keys just shot up in price lol
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Those other SC2 keys just shot up in price lol
Yep; pretty much just became a member of the same boat as the TeamLiquid caps.
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Yep; pretty much just became a member of the same boat as the TeamLiquid caps.
That eye-nose-less horse pssh ;<
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That eye-nose-less horse pssh ;<
You mean the overpriced blobs of blue? Yep. I didn't buy one though, came in too late.
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That eye-nose-less horse pssh ;<
It still looks ok...Draw some on with a pen.
Also, DAMN I should of gotten more SC2 Keys...and sold em.
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It still looks ok...Draw some on with a pen.
Also, DAMN I should of gotten more SC2 Keys...and sold em.
I liked the one with the horse that had the eyes and the nose but looked like it was on crack ;3
Wonder if that prototype is for sale hahaha
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It still looks ok...Draw some on with a pen.
Also, DAMN I should of gotten more SC2 Keys...and sold em.
I should've bought those 38 Terran keycaps to get us to the 150 mark instead of just the 14 that I did.
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I should've bought those 38 Terran keycaps to get us to the 150 mark instead of just the 14 that I did.
Frigging Terrans ;<
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Frigging Terrans ;<
Tell me about it. (Zerg here.)
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i'm interested in a set or two :D
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Lol. I really really should sell then for more than I was planning now. $4 and $4.50 sounds about right if there isn't ever going to be any more made.
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Lol. I really really should sell then for more than I was planning now. $4 and $4.50 sounds about right if there isn't ever going to be any more made.
Careful Dave; I might just obtain exclusive rights and undercut your little operation.
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Lol :P
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You mean the overpriced blobs of blue? Yep. I didn't buy one though, came in too late.
i have an extra one if you want it (for w/e the original price was + 3 dollars shipping)
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i have an extra one if you want it (for w/e the original price was + 3 dollars shipping)
What do you want for it?
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damn post doesn't have the original price.
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It was either $4 or 5 I forget.
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4.50 according to paypal. paid for two + shipping came out to 12 (shipping was 3 dollars)
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4.50 according to paypal. paid for two + shipping came out to 12 (shipping was 3 dollars)
So what, $8+Shipping?
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no, 8
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no, 8
You want $8 shipped for your spare?
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si. same price i paid. you dont have to take it if you dont want it. just figure i'd offer it up for sale.
and sorry to OP for getting OT.
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si. same price i paid. you dont have to take it if you dont want it. just figure i'd offer it up for sale.
and sorry to OP for getting OT.
Don't worry, OP is with me.
I will take that price, for sure, just let me know when you get it and I will arrange payment.
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will do
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I'd be down for a set, depending on the price ofc.
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si. same price i paid. you dont have to take it if you dont want it. just figure i'd offer it up for sale.
and sorry to OP for getting OT.
OP Is me and I am furious. Nah just kidding.
Tho maybe you should of offered me one xD.
＠RColinTaylor
Any news from Blizz?
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If the price is reasonable, I'm definitely down for a set too.
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OP Is me and I am furious. Nah just kidding.
Tho maybe you should of offered me one xD.
＠RColinTaylor
Any news from Blizz?
Not on the first day; we will see if we even get a response by the end of the week.
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Those other SC2 keys just shot up in price lol
Wait, what happened? Aren't there gonna be any later rounds or more of them available in group buy#4?
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Wait, what happened? Aren't there gonna be any later rounds or more of them available in group buy#4?
Not if I can't secure the rights from Blizzard Entertainment; Signature Plastics is putting a hold on all copyrighted/potentially copyrighted material and refusing to do anything without permission from the organizations who own the images.
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interested in a full set if you can get past the silly legalities
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Not if I can't secure the rights from Blizzard Entertainment; Signature Plastics is putting a hold on all copyrighted/potentially copyrighted material and refusing to do anything without permission from the organizations who own the images.
That's a major bummer, first I miss the group buy for SC2 double shots by a day and now this :(
*fingers crossed*
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Not if I can't secure the rights from Blizzard Entertainment; Signature Plastics is putting a hold on all copyrighted/potentially copyrighted material and refusing to do anything without permission from the organizations who own the images.
If they take money from us, I will throw them out of Round4.
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If they take money from us, I will throw them out of Round4.
Yea; I really don't want to lose the SC2 side of our Group Buy Scene but it isn't looking too good. I sent out the email on Tuesday and haven't heard anything back yet. If that route doesn't work I will find a way to prove that they don't 'own' the images for the ladder badging.
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I'm in for one set!
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Im in for one set, looks amazing ;D
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Yea; I really don't want to lose the SC2 side of our Group Buy Scene but it isn't looking too good. I sent out the email on Tuesday and haven't heard anything back yet. If that route doesn't work I will find a way to prove that they don't 'own' the images for the ladder badging.
Hope Blizz get's back fast, I'm really really impatient. I'm about to rip out my hair (and i love my hair).
I don't think Blizz has copyright over some very basic geometric shapes. I really can't see them having copyright over a hexagon with star in it.
If Plan B fails is the next step finding someone else to make them?
Also, I've tallied about 40 set's that people are interested in. So I don't think there's much of an issue there.
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That's a major bummer, first I miss the group buy for SC2 double shots by a day and now this :(
*fingers crossed*
Ragnarok should have a few spares. Maybe if you got beg on your knees to him...
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Interested in 1 set for me :DD
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Interested in a full set.
Good luck with the blizz issues..
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Why would you need permission for this? You should just call them army badges or something.
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Why would you need permission for this? You should just call them army badges or something.
Yeah I kind of have the same thought as that. I'm not really the type to really lie and deceive people. = /
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So that side is looking good. Our problem at the moment is dealing with Signature Plastics wanting us to have permission from Blizzard (same problem as Starwars set in other GB) to use the images. We've contacted Blizzard and are awaiting a reply. If that fails we may need to resort to other plans.
Is there any contingency plan if there is no response or a rejection from blizzard? I'm a bit of a newb around here but AFAIK signature plastics is the only way to go for doubleshots? It would be a real shame, as the designs are pretty fantastic.
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Is there any contingency plan if there is no response or a rejection from blizzard? I'm a bit of a newb around here but AFAIK signature plastics is the only way to go for doubleshots? It would be a real shame, as the designs are pretty fantastic.
There is always the method of proving that the designs are not in violation of copyright laws. More specifically that the designs are not under protection of the US copyright laws based on their use of Geometric Shapes and Common Designs (I believe its Chapter 13, Original Designs).
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That may be fair enough, but it's the kind of thing you would want to contact a solicitor about. Seeing as it wouldn't be worth that hassle to them, i would think that SP would probably just cut their losses with this one as an unacceptable risk of litigation?
*shrugs*
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That may be fair enough, but it's the kind of thing you would want to contact a solicitor about. Seeing as it wouldn't be worth that hassle to them, i would think that SP would probably just cut their losses with this one as an unacceptable risk of litigation?
*shrugs*
I already spent Friday presenting the evidence based on the Copyright Laws and used outside images as examples for the argument. Its up to them as whether or not they wish to continue.
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I already spent Friday presenting the evidence based on the Copyright Laws and used outside images as examples for the argument. Its up to them as whether or not they wish to continue.
Are you a lawyer. Cos what you´ve done is amazing. Cheers for all the work you put into this.
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Are you a lawyer. Cos what you´ve done is amazing. Cheers for all the work you put into this.
I used Google.
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I used Google.
Lol. Google knows all. Why am i taking a degree in university when i can find everything i need to know on google.
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Lol. Google knows all. Why am i taking a degree in university when i can find everything i need to know on google.
Getting that degree will speed up your google searches, you'll know more precisely what to look for ;)
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SP appreciated what I gave them information wise but they are still waiting to see what Blizzard has to say. I have not yet gotten a response a week later so I am re-sending the original email.
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SP appreciated what I gave them information wise but they are still waiting to see what Blizzard has to say. I have not yet gotten a response a week later so I am re-sending the original email.
If they do decline do we have a backup plan? Surely there must be other manufacturers we can approach?
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If they do decline do we have a backup plan? Surely there must be other manufacturers we can approach?
I don't have a backup plan at this point because I have yet to deal with anybody but SP in regards to keycaps.
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What if Blizzard does not respond? Can we proceed after a certain period of time since first contact?
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What if Blizzard does not respond? Can we proceed after a certain period of time since first contact?
Its a gray area of operation; You have to expect this buy to take much longer now because I have to deal with the legal constraints but I also don't want to tread on any toes at SP either. Pushing Melissa's buttons is not good for anyone around here so I do not intend on being aggressive in this process. Patience is our best chance at having this completed and that is exactly how I intend on going about it.
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What if Blizzard does not respond? Can we proceed after a certain period of time since first contact?
I doubt they will still go ahead with it.
Its a gray area of operation; You have to expect this buy to take much longer now because I have to deal with the legal constraints but I also don't want to tread on any toes at SP either. Pushing Melissa's buttons is not good for anyone around here so I do not intend on being aggressive in this process. Patience is our best chance at having this completed and that is exactly how I intend on going about it.
Yeah, everyone uses SP. So in no way should we push Melissa on this issue. It's all fair. So hopefully Blizz will get back to us soon.
For now I've contacted a few of manufacturers to see if they can make them (just incase).
http://www.fentek-ind.com/keys.htm
http://www.datacal.com/
http://www.synctronics.com
http://smartkeyboardsolutions.com (Replied, sent images).
... Gonna keep looking for more manufacturers. If anyone knows any other manufacturers please let me know.
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Is it too late to get a set? Totally down for one
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Is it too late to get a set? Totally down for one
It's not too late to get on the list, but it's looking pretty grim for this buy due to legal issues. :-|
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It's not too late to get on the list, but it's looking pretty grim for this buy due to legal issues. :-|
Not really, we seem ok. I've got 2 other manufacturers who will do them. But I would like to do things with SP of course. I think if we don't sort it out with SP in 1-2 weeks I'll go ahead doing it with one of the other manufacturers I'm talking with.
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That is fantastic news. Spitting out top-notch SVGs in record time? Forging relationships with new suppliers? You are my new favorite geekhacker.
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That is fantastic news. Spitting out top-notch SVGs in record time? Forging relationships with new suppliers? You are my new favorite geekhacker.
To think i joined this Sept, cos I wanted some SC2 keys = p. Man I'm so pissed I missed some GBs.
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I doubt they will still go ahead with it.
Yeah, everyone uses SP. So in no way should we push Melissa on this issue. It's all fair. So hopefully Blizz will get back to us soon.
For now I've contacted a few of manufacturers to see if they can make them (just incase).
http://www.fentek-ind.com/keys.htm
http://www.datacal.com/
http://www.synctronics.com
http://smartkeyboardsolutions.com (Replied, sent images).
... Gonna keep looking for more manufacturers. If anyone knows any other manufacturers please let me know.
This is fantastic news! Great work hazeluff!
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hazel, do these places do doubleshots, or just dye-sub/pad printing?
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Haha literally the same response word for word in my first sentence as hashbaz. Seriously though if we open up more suppliers i think this little hiccup could turn out to be a good thing.
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hazel, do these places do doubleshots, or just dye-sub/pad printing?
Looking at smartkeyboardsolutions:
We offer keyboard customization by:
Color coded keys
Color printing on keys
Color labels (self-adhesive stickers) to put on keys
We offer a number of different processes and solutions for customizing keyboards.
Pad printing keys
Sublimination
Engraving
Two-shot
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Haha literally the same response word for word in my first sentence as hashbaz. Seriously though if we open up more suppliers i think this little hiccup could turn out to be a good thing.
It could definitely good for us, we could possibly get the starwar ones done through them. Yes, I read each of the site quite thoroughly, they do double-shots (or two-shot. same thing different name).
Fentek has gotten back to me with a quote on 25 sets/keys. It's $4 per keycap (that makes it $28 per set + setup cost). I think this price is too expensive and I've asked if they can do a discounts if we order 50+. I'm waiting for a reply.
I've spoken to someone at Smartkeyboardsolutions. He's seen the designs and should be able to do them. Atm I'm waiting for him to send me catalog of colors + price quote.
They should get back to me tomorrow.
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yes plz <3
1 set probably.
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Just updated our situation with other manufacturers on the OP.
One of them wont do copyright material as well = (
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Yep, I want these. Hopefully you can sort something out soon!
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So since SP isn't doing it, I'm probably going to let you handle this group buy if that's alright with you. I've no idea who you're dealing with etc. If that's terribly inconvenient lmk.
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So since SP isn't doing it, I'm probably going to let you handle this group buy if that's alright with you. I've no idea who you're dealing with etc. If that's terribly inconvenient lmk.
If Blizz doesn't get back and we go to someone different from SP, I will deal with sorting it out with the new manufacturer. But may need you or RCT to pay/sort orders from here.
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If Blizz doesn't get back and we go to someone different from SP, I will deal with sorting it out with the new manufacturer. But may need you or RCT to pay/sort orders from here.
Im in the same boat as Dave; I really only want to work with SP on group buys. They have been good to me up until now and thats the sort of people I like to continue to do business with.
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Im in the same boat as Dave; I really only want to work with SP on group buys. They have been good to me up until now and thats the sort of people I like to continue to do business with.
Yeah. Where the hell is our response from blizz...damnit...
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I'd like two of each. Hopefully Blizz will respond soon!
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I'd like two of each. Hopefully Blizz will respond soon!
I;m just watching the Ro.32 Code S. And I see artosis wearing a t-shirt with Bronze emblem on it... /cry.../wrist... = (
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If they don't care about them using that on a T shirt on a highly publicized broadcast for a tournament sanctioned by Blizzard, they shouldn't care about this. Maybe add that to the argument RCT? That's precedent.
I can probably collect orders again and run it alongside nyancat if it can be done in a timely manner.
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Somebody tweet Artosis a link to this thread, I bet he'll want some.
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Somebody tweet Artosis a link to this thread, I bet he'll want some.
I want his bronze league t-shirt, I can only find platinum and masters ;<
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If they don't care about them using that on a T shirt on a highly publicized broadcast for a tournament sanctioned by Blizzard, they shouldn't care about this. Maybe add that to the argument RCT? That's precedent.
I can probably collect orders again and run it alongside nyancat if it can be done in a timely manner.
I find the probability of the thing working out the same time as nyancat to be low. (I've realized that fentek actually hasn't approved the artwork yet. Pessimist-me says its prob gonna get rejected.). If someone gets back with a decent quote and stuff, we could get them done together.
As for the Tshirt http://celisco.biz/shop/product.php?id_product=690. They are made by Jinx, who have license with Blizzard. At first I thought it was one from thehandsomenerd.com.
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I want his bronze league t-shirt, I can only find platinum and masters ;<
If you click the link above and look at the shirts tag, its Jinx (where i assumed you found the platinum and masters shirts). I think they may of discontinued it cos of low demand.
Somebody tweet Artosis a link to this thread, I bet he'll want some.
Maybe see if he can help out on the licensing problems? I'll send a tweet if you think it would help. Cos I dont know.
Also, to make some sc2 nerds really jelly:
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<3 bronze league shirt!
Yeah I was on J!NX's website and no bronze league for sale ;(
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Maybe see if he can help out on the licensing problems? I'll send a tweet if you think it would help. Cos I dont know.
I just twote him as well.
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I just twote him as well.
I don't think he'll see it..= / It went like off the page when i tried to search for it. ><
Sigh...even then I don't think he can do much about it.
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Yup. Worth a shot though.
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Yup. Worth a shot though.
@HuskyStarcraft??
Also, I'm getting bored waiting for people to reply emails. people need to reply emails lickitysplit.
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Ok, So far all 4 of the manufacturers I've contacted have replied.
smartkeyboardsolutions.com won't do the designs due to copyright.
fentek is waiting for design approval and also they cost a $4 a key + setup. I'm asking them for discounts for at 50 sets.
Datacal and Synctronics, I'm awaiting further replies about design approval and quotes.
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Ok, So far all 4 of the manufacturers I've contacted have replied.
smartkeyboardsolutions.com won't do the designs due to copyright.
fentek is waiting for design approval and also they cost a $4 a key + setup. I'm asking them for discounts for at 50 sets.
Datacal and Synctronics, I'm awaiting further replies about design approval and quotes.
99% sure Fentek outsource their stuff to SP, also why the price is higher
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99% sure Fentek outsource their stuff to SP, also why the price is higher
So does smartkeyboardsolutions. So... we're down to 2 contenders...who will win? Or do they both outsource to SP?
NEXT TIME ON:
*play some epic background music, maybe liek power rangers song*
SUPER ANNOYING COPYRIGHT LAWS
Hazeluff downloads illegal mp3s and movies using uTorrent!
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So does smartkeyboardsolutions. So... we're down to 2 contenders...who will win? Or do they both outsource to SP?
NEXT TIME ON:
*play some epic background music, maybe liek power rangers song*
SUPER ANNOYING COPYRIGHT LAWS
Hazeluff downloads illegal mp3s and movies using uTorrent!
Fentek doesn't say but according to ripster and sixty they are identical
Fentek outsources their double shot keys to Signature Plastics. Unless they use the exact same molds and the exact same machines, there is no doubt about this.
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So does smartkeyboardsolutions. So... we're down to 2 contenders...who will win? Or do they both outsource to SP?
NEXT TIME ON:
*play some epic background music, maybe liek power rangers song*
SUPER ANNOYING COPYRIGHT LAWS
Hazeluff downloads illegal mp3s and movies using uTorrent!
Bummer. Best of luck with the other two suppliers but i guess it's looking pretty bleak now...
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Bummer. Best of luck with the other two suppliers but i guess it's looking pretty bleak now...
= (. This is making me very very sad. If anyone knows some Chinese manufacturers who don't give a rat's ass about copyright. Please contact me.
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Update:
Datacal, just gets their stuff done by SP.
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rofl everyone just outsources to SP
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I expect ripster to barge in here any minute and and tell us to read the All Key Manufacturers Outsource to SP wiki.
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I expect ripster to barge in here any minute and and tell us to read the All Key Manufacturers Outsource to SP wiki.
Yeah, but where do chinese people make all their keycaps? HUH??? HUH?? (I'm trying to find out that...but must go out for now. Will be back in a few hours to continue research...)
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id be down for a set
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Yeah, but where do chinese people make all their keycaps? HUH??? HUH?? (I'm trying to find out that...but must go out for now. Will be back in a few hours to continue research...)
I know Chinese so I can send a email or something if you find who makes the keycaps.
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I know Chinese so I can send a email or something if you find who makes the keycaps.
Thanks for the offer. No idea for finding manufacturers. I don't even know if anyone will do double-shot keycaps. I look around and everything is pad printed/lasered keycaps. But if we get a lead on something I'll let you know.
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I was trying to look on KBC but I get "Forbidden" every time.
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Thanks for the offer. No idea for finding manufacturers. I don't even know if anyone will do double-shot keycaps. I look around and everything is pad printed/lasered keycaps. But if we get a lead on something I'll let you know.
Yeah they seem to do pad printing or laser, rarely is it double shot
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Interested!
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Yeah they seem to do pad printing or laser, rarely is it double shot
If you look something like taobo. All theyhave are pad printed/laser stuff. I dont even think kbc do doubleshot or infact anyone.
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1st post!! Interested in representing the bronze league!!
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1st post!! Interested in representing the bronze league!!
We have enough interest, but we are waiting for permission to use images from Blizz/other means to avoid copyright.
Lol welcome to geekhack = p
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I'm down for some sets
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I am working on some stuff to get this done but January 1st will be the EARLIEST that I can have any progress with this within legal constraints. After that I will keep this thread up to date with what I am doing and what needs to be done. Unfortunately we are in the waiting game and as much as that pains 99% of GH its what must be done.
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I am working on some stuff to get this done but January 1st will be the EARLIEST that I can have any progress with this within legal constraints. After that I will keep this thread up to date with what I am doing and what needs to be done. Unfortunately we are in the waiting game and as much as that pains 99% of GH its what must be done.
= )
I'll just be patient. *is very quickly biting nails away*
For those who are/were interested. We've definitely got enough interest, but we're gonna have to wait as RCT has said.
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I'll just be patient. *is very quickly biting nails away*
For those who are/were interested. We've definitely got enough interest, but we're gonna have to wait as RCT has said.
I have the back-end interest among my mates of about 30-50 sets so its being done no matter what if feasible. And, as I have said before, I want these as much if not more than everyone else.
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I have the back-end interest among my mates of about 30-50 sets so its being done no matter what if feasible. And, as I have said before, I want these as much if not more than everyone else.
30-50 sets from just your mates. Wow...
We'd be making alot of sets ^_^. Happy happy fun fun
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2 sets here! Hope this goes thru!
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In for a set. Also, while you guys are at it clearing these images, would it be any extra hassle to ask them about the other sc2 doubleshot race keys? i know gb4 isnt doing it because of the same issue.
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In for a set. Also, while you guys are at it clearing these images, would it be any extra hassle to ask them about the other sc2 doubleshot race keys? i know gb4 isnt doing it because of the same issue.
Cannot do that; these are justifiable for other reasons unlike the race emblems which are very much Blizzard's.
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i want this!
and im gold league only!
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I'm in for at least 1 set.
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in 4 1
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I'm in for at least 2 sets.
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huh? copyright?
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me too , for at least a set...
Can you use 2 colors on the keycaps to put some grey on some designs ?
or the keycaps can only have 2 colors? (natural color + design color )
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me too , for at least a set...
Can you use 2 colors on the keycaps to put some grey on some designs ?
or the keycaps can only have 2 colors? (natural color + design color )
The keys are doubleshot. Meaning the key itself is one color, and we can only put one more color on top of that. If we could do triple shot (3 colors) I would. Unfortunately we can't = (
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If this ends up happening, I'm interested in a set.
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I'd want a set
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I want 1SET!!
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Holysh*t, what is with the influx of people posting in my IC xD.
= D I'm glad everyone is interested. Too bad we can't get this up and going.
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in the future triple shot is coming... for now i can stick with these... you really need to get this up and running , like yesterday
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in the future triple shot is coming... for now i can stick with these... you really need to get this up and running , like yesterday
You'd think i'd have it running if I could. = (
SP isn't making any copyrighted material, and these falls under that. We've good reason that these arn't as well as are looking for permission from blizzard to use them. Once that's sorted we'll get it up ASAP.
I want them even more than you do.
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Blizzard will probably ask for something or doesnt give permission.. i like blizzard but they like money..
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Blizzard will probably ask for something or doesnt give permission.. i like blizzard but they like money..
Depends on how much, but I'm willing to make these legit merchandise along with the Race keycaps, if i could.
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official ones have to be triple shot..
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official ones have to be triple shot..
Eh? SP can't do 3-shot.
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Yeah they can't do triple shot man. Those just aren't happening. TBH a set of dyesubs of these would look really cool, but meh, expensive. Hazel put a lot of effort into these SVGs and they look fantastic, so I'd like to see them happen. They most likely will not though, since it has been so long.
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Interested!
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I am working on some stuff to get this done but January 1st will be the EARLIEST that I can have any progress with this within legal constraints. After that I will keep this thread up to date with what I am doing and what needs to be done. Unfortunately we are in the waiting game and as much as that pains 99% of GH its what must be done.
Keep faith in RCT and thou shall be saved :)
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Keep faith in RCT and thou shall be saved :)
Oh keep the faith~~
Oh keep the faith~~
All you gotta do is keep the faith~~
(From some musical production i had to be in primary school).
I will get these keys!
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I'm in for atleast 1 set.
keeping my fingers crossed that it can happen :)
also my first post on geekhack lulz
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I'm in for atleast 1 set.
keeping my fingers crossed that it can happen :)
also my first post on geekhack lulz
Welcome to Geekhack!
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Want [x]
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Im almost sure that if this order was made to some factory in China , they would do it without Blizzard permission....
They just copy everything , so we just have to find the factory in China that can do this !
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Im almost sure that if this order was made to some factory in China , they would do it without Blizzard permission....
They just copy everything , so we just have to find the factory in China that can do this !
I know that, tapk69. Cept, I don't know any factories. Specifically I need one that will do Doubleshot Injection molding. Also, I'd need the profile of the plastic assuming they don't specifically do keycaps. Also, new mold = money.
But if you know people, please let me know.
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The problem with the chinese is the language .... im sure there are keycaps factories there.... you are in london , im in Portugal , were not in china....
it has to be someone from this forums that is from china , that can inform us
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The problem with the chinese is the language .... im sure there are keycaps factories there.... you are in london , im in Portugal , were not in china....
it has to be someone from this forums that is from china , that can inform us
I'm only in London for studies, I'm actually from Hong Kong. So in my family we speak cantonese and know mandarin. I've asked them if they know anyone back in their "Home town". But yeah, I'm not actively pursueing it atm.
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ahhh ... ok ... you can probably find it , but for me is impossible .. i didnt even know about mechanical boards until 3 weeks ago...
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Count me in as interested too...
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i'm in, i'll buy one of every league when this goes through
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I keep forgetting if i said this already but im in for sure!
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all the starcraft people are in.... Blizzard are the motherfukers who are out..
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I will Buy~! Go~!
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Totally in for it
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Would defiantly buy atleast one of these.
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I know that, tapk69. Cept, I don't know any factories. Specifically I need one that will do Doubleshot Injection molding. Also, I'd need the profile of the plastic assuming they don't specifically do keycaps. Also, new mold = money.
But if you know people, please let me know.
No one in China does doubleshot injection molding, only thing you can get is dyesubs
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How much per set do you think it will cost us?
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Yeah China loves their PBT and their Lasers right now
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DO Want
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I would like a set as well
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Should I ask around on KBC forums?
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totally in if I havent posted here before lol
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Slightly off topic, but:
If you want to support the SC2 community, Team liquid, Liquid'Hero, ThePortraitArt (the artist who created all the TSL3 portraits of all the players) - There's a Youtube poll running for another 1.5 hours to determine one of next 'featured' youtube videos on youtube's main page. The Teamliquid Starcraft 2 community is rallying behind thePortraitArt, and is currently in the lead, but it's fading fast and needs more votes! No account is needed to vote! If you don't know who thePortraitArt is, check out their videos, they are incredible (especially the Liquid'Hero one)
Teamliquid thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293162
youtube voting page:
http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2011/12/meet-december-on-rise-nominees-and-vote.html
Go vote!!
P.S. I've already said I'm interested in this set however now I'm SUPER interested
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totally in if I havent posted here before lol
I think you have. You seem to be interested in everything = )
Slightly off topic, but:
If you want to support the SC2 community, Team liquid, Liquid'Hero, ThePortraitArt (the artist who created all the TSL3 portraits of all the players) - There's a Youtube poll running for another 1.5 hours to determine one of next 'featured' youtube videos on youtube's main page. The Teamliquid Starcraft 2 community is rallying behind thePortraitArt, and is currently in the lead, but it's fading fast and needs more votes! No account is needed to vote! If you don't know who thePortraitArt is, check out their videos, they are incredible (especially the Liquid'Hero one)
Teamliquid thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293162
youtube voting page:
http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2011/12/meet-december-on-rise-nominees-and-vote.html
Go vote!!
P.S. I've already said I'm interested in this set however now I'm SUPER interested
Voted. That's not bad = p
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Hook me up with one set (if it's cheap and I'm in singapore). Want
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Since when have you been on GH EpicPie? :P
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Since when have you been on GH EpicPie? :P
Since my awesome interest check brought him in? xD
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Lolz haha
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im interested for sure
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My first keyboard is in the mail, hoping this group buy along with the meme one goes through!
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Put me down for a set!
I hope this happens...
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This is what I want for Christmas~
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any clue to when this will be active?
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any clue to when this will be active?
No dates, I believe RCT is still working on it.
Patience...
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Speaking of RCT I don't think I've seen a post from him in weeks. I hope the Paypal debacle didn't sour him.
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I think it did...
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So interested! as long as it's a fair price i'd be in for a whole set
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= (
Stupid paypal. I will get revenge!!! REVENGE I TELL YOU.
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Add me to the list of interested buyers
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i m interested too depending on the price.
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If RCT is no longer going to do this I will probably pick it up once I get done with the current festivities. I'm trying to come up with a timeline for stuff... Doing multiple ones at a time is a lot more PITA, so I'm trying to figure the order I want to do them. Such as:
Nyancat Delivering Jan-Feb
SC2 League (if SP will do it and RCT isn't) Delivering April
Portal redux (With potentially different designs as desired in the first round) Delivering June
Meme keys (I'm hesitant to do some of them because of their content. I don't really want to associate myself too much with Pedobear or Anonymous lol.) Delivering August?
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Need!
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If RCT is no longer going to do this I will probably pick it up once I get done with the current festivities. I'm trying to come up with a timeline for stuff... Doing multiple ones at a time is a lot more PITA, so I'm trying to figure the order I want to do them. Such as:
Nyancat Delivering Jan-Feb
SC2 League (if SP will do it and RCT isn't) Delivering April
Portal redux (With potentially different designs as desired in the first round) Delivering June
Meme keys (I'm hesitant to do some of them because of their content. I don't really want to associate myself too much with Pedobear or Anonymous lol.) Delivering August?
Well sure, but you've gotta fix the copyright issue we're having with SP. That was the main problem.
Ignore the meme one for now. I'll be taking a break after this last year in uni so after june-ish I may start doing my own GB.
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We should get some more number row keys instead of functions. :P
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We should get some more number row keys instead of functions. :P
I'm pretty sure that the ESC row is the number row.
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Yeah the top two rows are the same.
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Thats weird. Everytime I tried to fit it on my Das, it wouldn't fit. At least it fits on my Filco.
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They are the same profile on most boars. It might be your das.
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What doesn't fit about it? The profile is lower than normal, everyone should know that by now.
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Yeah and that SP have lower profile than filcos. Its quite obviose ob my filco.
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I'm really interested in getting some of those :) might help motivate me to play 1v1 ladder more if I can see my league icon looking at me all day lol
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I tried to see if the F1 key would fit on the number row just to see if the keys were the same size. It ended being way too high or low. I forgot because I don't have the keyboard anymore.
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i'm interested too depending on the price.
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Definitely interested.
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Would love to have a set of these to go along with my SCII race keycaps! Maybe more, if my friends want in :)
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ill go for a set! :)
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I tried to see if the F1 key would fit on the number row just to see if the keys were the same size. It ended being way too high or low. I forgot because I don't have the keyboard anymore.
Yeah that's definitely something specific to your keyboard then, since I just checked mine and the Esc key and the 1 key are absolutely identical in size and shape. That's off of a Filco and a Leo.
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Yeah that's definitely something specific to your keyboard then, since I just checked mine and the Esc key and the 1 key are absolutely identical in size and shape. That's off of a Filco and a Leo.
My Filco Majestouch2 and Noppoo Choc Mini have same profile Esc and number row as well.
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Yeah that's definitely something specific to your keyboard then, since I just checked mine and the Esc key and the 1 key are absolutely identical in size and shape. That's off of a Filco and a Leo.
Off the top of my heard, I can think of only a few that have a different profile for the F-row and number row, (the Vortex Race among them).
One other explanation is that some of the keys are filco/wasd and the others are SP/cherry.
Too add to the matching pile:
(cmstorm, WASD, WYSE, olivetti, and IBM and unicomp (lol!) all have the same profile for those rows)
Except the olivetti, which has print screen, scroll lock, and pause the same profile as the tenkey. But even on that all the function keys are the same as the number keys.
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ill be down for a set aswell
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So is this ever going to be a group buy?
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So is this ever going to be a group buy?
Only ripster knows...
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This group buy is never going to happen. It looks like RColinTaylor is still "emailing of Blizz and SP", but lets be realistic. Who takes months to email, and who takes months to respond? Between RColinTaylor, Blizzard, and SP, at least one party is slacking or doesn't give a sh!t for followup.
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I'm going to talk to Melissa again about it and see what she says. Depending on her answer, this will either happen soon, or never.
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If Melissa from SP won't allow the production of the SC2 race icons from the other group buy, what makes you think these league icons will go through? I guess it is worth a try though, but I highly doubt it.
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If Melissa from SP won't allow the production of the SC2 race icons from the other group buy, what makes you think these league icons will go through? I guess it is worth a try though, but I highly doubt it.
Well thing is that the race icons are actual complex images that blizz designed. These league icons are very simple shapes thrown together. The arguement is it can't be copyrighted because of it being generic.
We're not waiting for blizz, they won't give liscensing unless we're a big company.
Also I wrote up that stuff like 2 motnhs ago and haven't touched it since. My apologies that it is somewhat outdated. I may just shut down the idea if Ragnorock can't get it done.
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Well thing is that the race icons are actual complex images that blizz designed. These league icons are very simple shapes thrown together. The arguement is it can't be copyrighted because of it being generic.
Except that it's a bogus argument. Once you combine specific color and shape combinations together, especially a series of them (each rank), it becomes non-generic. If you identify this product, anywhere, with the word "Starcraft", you're infringing. It's also not an issue of copyright but of trademark.
A trademark, trade mark, or trade-mark[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark#cite_note-0) is a distinctive sign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_(semiotics)) or indicator, used by an individual, business organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_organizations), or other legal entity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juristic_person), to identify that the products (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_(economics_and_accounting)) or services (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_(economics)) with which the trademark appears originate from a unique source, and to distinguish its products or services from those of other entities.
These symbols are definitely distintive signs or indicators used by Blizzard that identify their product, Starcraft 2. You can even trademark specifically shaped letters of fonts. For example, Lavalife's trademarked logo, ꔛ, is merely the written syllable "ze" from the Vai language. Quiznos has a trademark on a specific way of writing the letter Q. This is a trend with trademarks being granted internationally (http://www.bnai.com/CourtofJusticeTrademarks/default.aspx) and even internet domain names following suit. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-letter_second-level_domain)
So, yeah, some cases are stupid, but this case really isn't...and if it were to go to court, whoever is involved in it will lose.
IANAL/IANAS. I used to work in print production and navigating the minefield of marks and rights is enough of a nightmare to not take risks with customers.
Edit: I am amazed at some of the caps that we do have...and yes, I will happily buy them, but eventually I see this being something that companies crack down on -- specifically the games industry.
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Except that it's a bogus argument. Once you combine specific color and shape combinations together, especially a series of them (each rank), it becomes non-generic. If you identify this product, anywhere, with the word "Starcraft", you're infringing. It's also not an issue of copyright but of trademark.
These symbols are definitely distintive signs or indicators used by Blizzard that identify their product, Starcraft 2. You can even trademark specifically shaped letters of fonts. For example, Lavalife's trademarked logo, ꔛ, is merely the written syllable "ze" from the Vai language. Quiznos has a trademark on a specific way of writing the letter Q. This is a trend with trademarks being granted internationally (http://www.bnai.com/CourtofJusticeTrademarks/default.aspx) and even internet domain names following suit. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-letter_second-level_domain)
So, yeah, some cases are stupid, but this case really isn't...and if it were to go to court, whoever is involved in it will lose.
IANAL/IANAS. I used to work in print production and navigating the minefield of marks and rights is enough of a nightmare to not take risks with customers.
Edit: I am amazed at some of the caps that we do have...and yes, I will happily buy them, but eventually I see this being something that companies crack down on -- specifically the games industry.
I definitely won't be calling them "Starcraft 2 Keycaps".
And I don't believe these icons are trademarked by Blizz.
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I definitely won't be calling them "Starcraft 2 Keycaps".
And I don't believe these icons are trademarked by Blizz.
This thread already does call them that though.
Also, at least in the US, you are not required to register with a state or federal agency to be granted trade mark protection as there are both Unregistered trade marks (basically all they have to do is slap a TM next to it) and common law trade marks...and additionally there's the Lanham Act which offers other rights. They don't need to because they can just test it in court afterwards and damage awards are high.
Anyway, back to the question of copyright, this section is from Blizzard's Starcraft 2 EULA. Emphasis is mine:
5. Ownership
All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, structural or landscape designs, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, character likenesses, methods of operation, moral rights, and any related documentation) are owned or licensed by Blizzard. The Game is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international treaties and conventions, and other laws. The Game may contain materials licensed by third parties, and the licensors of those materials may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this License Agreement. You have no interest, monetary or otherwise, in any feature or content contained in the Game or associated with the Account.
The copyright issue is actually easier to get by on as it isn't a direct copy of the artwork but honestly it's similar enough to be past the grey area.
At the point that anyone makes money on the product (as Signature Plastics would be by producing keys), there's no chance of "fair use" protection either.
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This thread already does call them that though.
Also, at least in the US, you are not required to register with a state or federal agency to be granted trade mark protection as there are both Unregistered trade marks (basically all they have to do is slap a TM next to it) and common law trade marks...and additionally there's the Lanham Act which offers other rights. They don't need to because they can just test it in court afterwards and damage awards are high.
Anyway, back to the question of copyright, this section is from Blizzard's Starcraft 2 EULA. Emphasis is mine:
The copyright issue is actually easier to get by on as it isn't a direct copy of the artwork but honestly it's similar enough to be past the grey area.
This is getting quite deep for me.
Sigh...
Outlook of this GB is pretty bad atm to be honest.
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I don't want everyone who wants these (i want em too) to hate me for saying it. It's just that Signature Plastics being uncomfortable with the last set, I don't think that this will ever happen.
Somebody should honestly get Blizzard to license the use of some artwork to Signature Plastics.
It would raise the cost of the caps some but at least it would make such things possible, though I gather there'd only be one type of cap made and you'd have to buy it direct through Blizzard if it did.
Blizzard does respond to the fans for this kind of thing...Jinx has a very full line of Starcraft shirts and I don't think they're all that huge a money maker for Blizzard.
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I'm currently trying for an internship with Blizzard this summer, if I get it, then I do intend to talk to them about it.
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I don't want everyone who wants these (i want em too) to hate me for saying it. It's just that Signature Plastics being uncomfortable with the last set, I don't think that this will ever happen.
Somebody should honestly get Blizzard to license the use of some artwork to Signature Plastics.
It would raise the cost of the caps some but at least it would make such things possible, though I gather there'd only be one type of cap made and you'd have to buy it direct through Blizzard if it did.
Blizzard does respond to the fans for this kind of thing...Jinx has a very full line of Starcraft shirts and I don't think they're all that huge a money maker for Blizzard.
I would love to do that. But they're not gonna even look at us because we're not a retailer or any sort.
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I am sure that if Signature Plastics gave Blizzard some order data on custom keycaps, they would at least consider it.
And actually, I think the best bet would be to talk to their eSports managers/community people (since so many pros and people in eSports use mechanicals). This is something they could have available at LAN events or even something to give out at BlizzCon. There are lots of good reasons why Blizzard would want to do this.
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Exactly what I would say to them in person. Aside from that, I'm pretty sure a bunch of Blizzard employees have seen/own some of the keys themselves.
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I am sure that if Signature Plastics gave Blizzard some order data on custom keycaps, they would at least consider it.
And actually, I think the best bet would be to talk to their eSports managers/community people (since so many pros and people in eSports use mechanicals). This is something they could have available at LAN events or even something to give out at BlizzCon. There are lots of good reasons why Blizzard would want to do this.
I know , but we need to present this carefully to blizzard and also catch their attention.
Tho, from blizzards POV they would prefer to liscense to someone who is a retailer/proper outlet instead of a forum like us. Or even SP who manufactures mainly.
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This thread already does call them that though.
Also, at least in the US, you are not required to register with a state or federal agency to be granted trade mark protection as there are both Unregistered trade marks (basically all they have to do is slap a TM next to it) and common law trade marks...and additionally there's the Lanham Act which offers other rights. They don't need to because they can just test it in court afterwards and damage awards are high.
Anyway, back to the question of copyright, this section is from Blizzard's Starcraft 2 EULA. Emphasis is mine:
The copyright issue is actually easier to get by on as it isn't a direct copy of the artwork but honestly it's similar enough to be past the grey area.
At the point that anyone makes money on the product (as Signature Plastics would be by producing keys), there's no chance of "fair use" protection either.
First: I am not a lawyer. Let's make that clear. This is based on my interpretations of how this stuff works.
The Trademark stuff is irrelevant: It only really applies to companies encroaching on a particular trade. For example, if I want to make a pizza place called "Pizza Hut" I can't 'cause it's Trademarked, but there's no reason why I can't make a laundromat called "Pizza hut". Since it's demonstratively in a different trade. There's no way I can encroach on that. For reference, look at Apple computers vs. Apple records. Both have the same (or really similar) names, but there's no encroaching on trademarks. Since it's pretty easy to spot (and happens frequently) court cases involving this are abundant (Like if I start a software company called "Dynamic Convergence" not knowing one already exists, I'll get sued by the real one for infringing on their trademark)
The real issue here is copyright. Now, Blizzard's blanket claims of copyrighting everything are somewhat valid: If I write a poem, and don't attach any notice to it, it's still copyrighted to me (in the US). Anything new/creative I output I can also claim copyright to. Anything blizzard comes up with, they claim copyrights on. Hence the really broad statements. But they can't copyrighted something that's already been come up with. For example, if I want to copyright a shamrock symbol used in playing cards as "clubs" I can't. It already exists. If I come up with a set of playing cards, and include that, but say I copyright all the images, It may look like I claim to copyright the clubs symbol, but in reality I can't. This is similar to the "prior artwork" in patent law (and how I can't patent a post-and-lintel door structure, since it's been around for 5000 years)
So, since blizzard's images are distinctly different than Hazeluff's, I don't see the issue. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, Hazeluff holds the copyright to them (if applicable), as they are based on blizzard's work, but not copying it (distinctly different). Take for example ,the Parody exclusion: If I write a parody, it's clearly based on their work, but my own creation. Also, all of Handel's music is out of copyright, but if I play it, I can copyright the performance of it. It may sound really similar to another performance of it, but not infringe on their separate copyright (or the fart the the actual music is in the public domain.)
Finally, a lot of those images look based on and really similar to military rank insignias. I am pretty sure those are public-domain anyway, as most work produced through a government (the SElinux security, for example) is automatically in the public domain. That means that the ones based on chevrons should be good regardless.
In a really direct example, I can repaint a painting, claim it as my work (with regard and respect to the original) and still sell it.
NOW: Printing an exact copy of blizzard's- work (is impossible, but even if it weren't) would likely be a violation, but an original, similar, but distinct representation of it... I'd say we're good.
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I disagree about saying that trademark stuff is irrelevant. Blizzard through its partners sells Starcraft 2 themed input devices: Mice and keyboards specifically. Themed keycaps DEFINITELY encroaches on their trade.
Also the music copyright issue can't really be used here. Performance rights are actually different to rights over the composition/of ownership. Also, you can't go out and perform a song that someone has the rights to the actual music without permission. This happens all the times with unauthorized covers and even karaoke covers of the song in bars - big, big lawsuits (Universal is suing the biggest karoake producer in the world over performance rights for $2.3billion right now -- even though the company secured the "mechanical rights" to the songs). This also happens when the melody of one song is the same as another's, even without sampling. (Note; You cannot copyright the harmony (ie the chord progression) of a piece of music since that's generic). As little as 4 notes of melodic similarity has cost people millions of dollars.
Also, I don't know about rank insignias but military ribbons and awards/honors/sashes are fiercely protected by copyright by most governments (Japan has hit people with stiff penalties and I believe even jail time IIRC for unauthorized reproductions of some of their honors. The US Government has sued companies that produce replica ribbons sold to army/navy stores at prices that undercut them). Also I don't exactly agree about government work being in public domain (though SElinux is a good example) when you have the examples of classified documents, secret laws, cryptography, darpa projects, etc. In fact there was some big US court ruling about this issue recently where the court ruled that just because something is funded with tax dollars does not mean that the product belongs to the people.
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psh, trademark issues. i wonder if anyone has any connections to chinese keycap manufacturers.
:)
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psh, trademark issues. i wonder if anyone has any connections to chinese keycap manufacturers.
:)
This. But personally, once I'm set up casting my own keys, I'll just run my own. Zerg Creep keyboard, anyone?
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how does one cast their own keys? like what kind of equipment would u need?
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how does one cast their own keys? like what kind of equipment would u need?
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:23722
Note for any kind of doublecasts (same idea as doubleshot just we're not talking about injection molding) or fine details you will likely need extra (expensive) equipment to get air bubbles out: a vacuum chamber (w/ pump), shake table and pressure pot (w/ air compressor). Several hundred dollars over just the basic materials but not required for blank keys. I'm hoping to eventually offer some compelling products like Clickclack does (I promise no skulls, no splats, no imitations). That guy is an inspiration, honestly.
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Doublecast? Sounds awesome. I hope that works out, I would love to see the result.
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Doublecast? Sounds awesome. I hope that works out, I would love to see the result.
I'm pretty sure that's how clickclack is doing it now. I'm also pretty sure I stole that word from 'im. ;)
Doing a legend would be pretty difficult I think though. The best way I've thought to do it so far is to have a template to press into clay and that probably will mean buying a typeset or making one using raster laser engraved acrylic which is INCREDIBLY expensive. (Or I could scult and cast them, which would be ****ing tedious.)
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Want. Interested. Willing to buy. Ready to send money.
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Just got the definite word: no until Blizzard approves. I will work with them in the future if I get the internship with them this summer, but as of now consider this on indefinite hiatus.
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