Author Topic: So the rumour with Das Keyboard is true (Read 93476 times)

Lu_e · « **Reply #150 on:** Mon, 14 January 2013, 12:45:46 »

Nice review, but no mention of the changed layout as well? The box even shows the more standardized 1.25x mod keys xD

Binge · « **Reply #151 on:** Mon, 14 January 2013, 14:40:20 »

Quote from: Lu_e on Mon, 14 January 2013, 12:45:46

Nice review, but no mention of the changed layout as well? The box even shows the more standardized 1.25x mod keys xD

*facepalm* of all of the things... thanks for the kind words, and especially for that observation. In the future I won't miss something that ridiculously obvious >.< Shows just how much I pay attention to the modifiers.

Hyde · « **Reply #152 on:** Mon, 14 January 2013, 21:14:03 »

Quote from: Binge on Mon, 14 January 2013, 14:40:20

Quote from: Lu_e on Mon, 14 January 2013, 12:45:46
Nice review, but no mention of the changed layout as well? The box even shows the more standardized 1.25x mod keys xD

*facepalm* of all of the things... thanks for the kind words, and especially for that observation. In the future I won't miss something that ridiculously obvious >.< Shows just how much I pay attention to the modifiers.

lol it's ok it's still a very nice detailed review though. Lots and lots of pictures

Though I wish you took pictures of the new stabilizers they used lol

InAComaDial999 · « **Reply #153 on:** Wed, 13 February 2013, 06:06:50 »

Kind of an old thread, I realize, but I happened to take some pics of the space bar stabilizers on my brand new Model S Professional with the media keys. Pics here.

As you can see, they are Cherry stabilizers. Long story short, my old Model S Professional that I bought in 2010 died on me, and DAS sent me a replacement. I didn't like the feel of the space bar and decided to have a look to see if something was wrong. Imagine my surprise when I saw what lurked under there. From what I gather, the less crisp feel of the spacebar is normal with Cherry stabilizers. Not really a fan of it, but other than that the keybord is OK, though I definitely preferred the original.

Hyde · « **Reply #154 on:** Wed, 13 February 2013, 09:44:42 »

Ahhhhhh this explains a lot. I originally thought that they'd use the costar-like stabilizers found on the blackwidow. But this makes more sense that it feels mushy because it's cherry stabilizer.

lol should ask them if they can send you a Das Ultimate instead (Costar). Or sell it and buy a CM Storm XT when it comes out

InAComaDial999 · « **Reply #155 on:** Wed, 13 February 2013, 13:19:51 »

I bought a Rosewill RK-9000 right after the original Das died, because I couldn't go back to the generic rubber dome spare I had in the closet. I was going to keep the RK as a spare, but I figure if I don't get used to this in the next few days I'll switch back and keep the Das as a spare. The space bar thing is not as jarring as I previously thought, and it isn't interfering with my typing, so I may stick with it after all.

TheQsanity · « **Reply #156 on:** Wed, 13 February 2013, 14:40:50 »

I like Cherry Stabilizers, like on my Poker. Maybe you could switch out the stabilizers from your old Das.

rootwyrm · « **Reply #157 on:** Wed, 13 February 2013, 15:45:25 »

Ugh. They're unlinked stabilizers. NOBODY likes unlinked Cherrys on the spacebar. Not even me. There's two different types of Cherry stabilizers that I've encountered. The "A" type are unlinked; you know, where you're stabilizing a small key like backspace, where the X axis anchoring keeps it from walking. The "B" type are linked or what I usually call 'plate mount' or 'hybrid' stabilizers. There's a metal rod usually mounted to the plate which links the stabilizer action so they move in sync. (Not surprisingly, Wyse PCET is a great example of the "B" type.) On lighter keys especially, the linking rod is pretty damn critical to ensuring the feel is right. Instead Das has pretty blatantly cheaped out hardcore by using no link rod.

Binge · « **Reply #158 on:** Wed, 13 February 2013, 16:13:33 »

the inside of my review Das did not look like that.... seriously worried for this company.

laffindude · « **Reply #159 on:** Wed, 13 February 2013, 16:17:35 »

I am seriously LOLing at rootwyrm now. That is on par with TP4's claim that you have to unsolder all the switches on the board to replace 1 switch.

rootwyrm · « **Reply #160 on:** Wed, 13 February 2013, 16:24:03 »

Quote from: laffindude on Wed, 13 February 2013, 16:17:35

I am seriously LOLing at rootwyrm now. That is on par with TP4's claim that you have to unsolder all the switches on the board to replace 1 switch.

Oh, because you're a complete and utter moron?
See attachment. You can shut your mouth now, monosyllabic simpleton. And kindly don't open it again.

laffindude · « **Reply #161 on:** Wed, 13 February 2013, 16:32:43 »

That's a PCB mounted stabilizer. It is still linked.

fohat.digs · « **Reply #162 on:** Wed, 13 February 2013, 16:33:43 »

Lovely board chow there.

I have never seen this sort before. Where does that stabilizer go, and/or come up topside again?

rootwyrm · « **Reply #163 on:** Wed, 13 February 2013, 17:26:17 »

Quote from: fohat.digs on Wed, 13 February 2013, 16:33:43

Lovely board chow there.

I have never seen this sort before. Where does that stabilizer go, and/or come up topside again?

Innit though? Also love the yellowing. That's one of my Wyse PCET's - a 1986. The stabilizer is mounted to the PCB using through-hole, and the rod itself is anchored to the plate below the spacebar switch itself - I believe this one is front-lip anchor style.
Edit: oh yeah, probably should note part of that chow is rust, too. Give you an idea of how rough that board is. Switches are just fine though, not surprisingly. Heavy MX Blacks.

laffindude · « **Reply #164 on:** Wed, 13 February 2013, 17:52:05 »

Dear rootwyrm, look closer at your supposedly "unlinked" stabilizers, and you'll find a stabilizer wire in there too.

I doubt that PCB mount stabilizer you pictured is mounted to the plate. It looks like it is just a PCB mount stabilizer mounted under a plate.

cooklaw2 · « **Reply #165 on:** Tue, 19 February 2013, 13:35:04 »

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Quote from: corm on Mon, 07 January 2013, 12:52:38

I recently got the media key version (made in china) and was able to compare it to a friends costar (made in taiwan). Both were Profession Model S with brown switches.

There is definitely significant difference between the 2 keyboards. The quality of the new version is unsatisfactory.

I'll refer to the newer media key version as "china" and previous model "costar"

The differences noticed while comparing the two were:
-china model has a resonating sound when keys are pressed. Very noticeable and annoying.
-costar larger keys (such as shift, bs, enter) are more fluid/smooth than china version.
-in general the costar keyboard just felt better to type on.

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For me, anyway, that settles it. Das is off my list. What a shame.

If I am one day in the market for a used Das, is it safe to say that I would get a Costar board as long as I get one that lacks a Fn key? Or were there earlier revs that were also subpar? (that might be harder to distinguish from a 2008 Costar board?)
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Canada Computers and Amazon.ca both still have the Co-star Professional.

HybridCore · « **Reply #166 on:** Tue, 19 February 2013, 20:24:42 »

Quote from: Carter on Fri, 07 September 2012, 19:52:04

No body believed me

Sounded pretty legit to me when I saw the post over at OCN.

It's sad to see them go. I would have been even more sad if they were making TKL boards. I love my TKL Filco.

chewyfruitloop · « **Reply #167 on:** Tue, 07 May 2013, 09:04:34 »

i've had to have my taiwanese das replaced for the 2nd time as another key died in under 3 months
i've now got one of the dreaded chinese models

the key clicks seem much hollower than the old one and i'm not a fan of the symmetrical bottom row
i keep hitting the fn key when i'm going for the windows / ctrl key but thats just something i'll get used to i suppose

what i'm really hoping for is a > 3 month usage without keys dieing on this one

berserkfan · « **Reply #168 on:** Tue, 07 May 2013, 13:23:49 »

One thing I never understand is how come people have such bad luck with keys dying on them.

I use keyboards for years (and I use them everyday as part of work and life) without any problems. In three decades, never had something die on me under two years.

Does this have anything to do with the usage pattern/ eg gamers hammer a lot on a few keys?

Quote from: chewyfruitloop on Tue, 07 May 2013, 09:04:34

i've had to have my taiwanese das replaced for the 2nd time as another key died in under 3 months
i've now got one of the dreaded chinese models

the key clicks seem much hollower than the old one and i'm not a fan of the symmetrical bottom row
i keep hitting the fn key when i'm going for the windows / ctrl key but thats just something i'll get used to i suppose

what i'm really hoping for is a > 3 month usage without keys dieing on this one

chewyfruitloop · « **Reply #169 on:** Wed, 08 May 2013, 10:09:21 »

i noticed the dead 4 on my first one because i use it a lot in starcraft
f8 died because i use it a lot at work for stepping through code

afaik, a cherry cap has ~50 million key press life, to get to that you would have to hit it 95 times a minute, 24 hours a day for a full year
admittedly you could get less or more than 50 mill, but you wouldn't expect < 3 months life out of any keyboard

TreeSc2 · « **Reply #170 on:** Thu, 09 May 2013, 15:51:42 »

I have the das ultimate anyhow, so im set

littlenoises · « **Reply #171 on:** Tue, 04 June 2013, 15:17:09 »

I've just signed up here after reading this thread because my Das seems to be a somewhat odd model.
I've got the media keys, but, interestingly no Windows-key on the left side, also the label clearly says "made in Taiwan"
Could it be that my keyboard was made shortly before the manufacturer switch or something like that? Maybe someone here with better knowledge can help me out?

Also, please excuse the scratches, it's been used quite a bit by now

chewyfruitloop · « **Reply #172 on:** Wed, 05 June 2013, 07:06:24 »

well you seem to have a weird one there
afaik the media keys only came out in the last year
it looks like you have an old board with retro fitted keycaps...which seems to be the plausible reason for those keys

littlenoises · « **Reply #173 on:** Wed, 05 June 2013, 11:56:53 »

That could probably be it, thanks for the input.
That's certainly weird, the Das was purchased in August 2010 from an authorized German reseller... but hey, having non-standard equipment always is nice

Hyde · « **Reply #174 on:** Wed, 05 June 2013, 16:29:28 »

If my memory served me right, I think they had a Costar made ones with volume control.....etc originally, then later on switch to without any secondary function, then finally when they switched OEM we get media edition (current one).

So I think you had the original batch one but good thing is that it's made by Costar I believe.

EDIT: According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Keyboard it seems like you have the Professional edition. Which had some minor hardware issue but then later on they fixed it and came out with Professional S edition.

wetto · « **Reply #175 on:** Wed, 05 June 2013, 22:27:22 »

Ughhhh... I threw up when I saw the new space bar and keycaps quality...

New:

Old:

Why Das Keyboard, why? I used to love you guys and now you've proved to me that your keyboards are now just as bad if now worse than a bloody Razer Blackwidow! WHY?!?!

I love my Das Keyboard Model S Professional Silent soo much and I even fixed its biggest problem and even made it look badass... Why can't Metadot do things right?

Hyde · « **Reply #176 on:** Wed, 05 June 2013, 22:31:05 »

lol what the extra stem for? Also I guess it's a bit more curved because of lens distortion from camera.

EDIT: As for the gloss surface, I kind of like what Razer did with their 2013 edition. The matte black finish feels quite nice actually, Das should've done that too

Source: Custom PC Review

hrombaba · « **Reply #177 on:** Sat, 14 September 2013, 13:17:13 »

Hi, I'm new here.

I'm going to order my first mechanical keyboard and I decided to order Das Keyboard. I was decided for Profesional S. I can type without looking to my keyboard, but sometimes I'm looking for some special character and don't know where exactly is. But after reading this I'm pretty sure that I'll order Ultimate version rather than Proffesional.

I'm interested if the Ultimate version is still made in Taiwan or not? It's been a while since last post in this thread and I don't know if there is anything new?

Thanx

Hyde · « **Reply #178 on:** Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:30:52 »

Yeah I'm not too sure if they ran out of old stock on the Ultimate yet. Overall geekhack people aren't too big on Das Keyboard in general so we don't get much update on it.

What switch are you looking for? Because at the current moment it sounds like QuickFire Rapid/QuickFire XT or WASD V2 would be better options.

davkol · « **Reply #179 on:** Tue, 17 September 2013, 04:46:08 »

Quote from: Hyde on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:30:52

What switch are you looking for? Because at the current moment it sounds like QuickFire Rapid/QuickFire XT or WASD V2 would be better options.

Yeah, but they are exactly available in Central Europe. In fact, only QFR is... with only linear switches though.

hrombaba · « **Reply #180 on:** Wed, 18 September 2013, 10:05:14 »

DK Ultimate came today. Confirmed! It's still made in Taiwan. It feels so nice in my hands. I fell in love with it just in minute of using it!

Purchased in German shop http://www.getdigital.de/

Just now I'm waiting for my ordered red o-rings from wasd and some color key caps.

Thanx davkol for his help in czech forum :-)

davkol · « **Reply #181 on:** Wed, 18 September 2013, 10:30:54 »

Enjoy.

jangozo · « **Reply #182 on:** Tue, 24 December 2013, 18:42:41 »

Quote from: hrombaba on Wed, 18 September 2013, 10:05:14

DK Ultimate came today. Confirmed! It's still made in Taiwan. It feels so nice in my hands. I fell in love with it just in minute of using it!

Purchased in German shop http://www.getdigital.de/

Just now I'm waiting for my ordered red o-rings from wasd and some color key caps.

Thanx davkol for his help in czech forum :-)

Sure it's made in Taiwan but until somebody opens theirs to check the circuit board, nothing's for sure I'm afraid. I've got an Ultimate directly from Das Keyboards early this month also made in Taiwan and the space bar feel is uneven. Pressing the left side of the space bar feels much sturdier than when I press the right side which makes me think I'll find the same thing wetto found underneath.

Hyde · « **Reply #183 on:** Tue, 24 December 2013, 20:54:03 »

I think if it says it's made in Taiwan then for the most part you're safe. As for the uneven spacebar, maybe check to see if the stabilizer wire is straight and sits properly.

I think even Costar make defects from time to time. But yeah pop open your spacebar and check.

Follow this guide:

terran5992 · « **Reply #184 on:** Tue, 24 December 2013, 21:23:14 »

Quote from: jangozo on Tue, 24 December 2013, 18:42:41

Quote from: hrombaba on Wed, 18 September 2013, 10:05:14
DK Ultimate came today. Confirmed! It's still made in Taiwan. It feels so nice in my hands. I fell in love with it just in minute of using it!

Purchased in German shop http://www.getdigital.de/

Just now I'm waiting for my ordered red o-rings from wasd and some color key caps.

Thanx davkol for his help in czech forum :-)

Sure it's made in Taiwan but until somebody opens theirs to check the circuit board, nothing's for sure I'm afraid. I've got an Ultimate directly from Das Keyboards early this month also made in Taiwan and the space bar feel is uneven. Pressing the left side of the space bar feels much sturdier than when I press the right side which makes me think I'll find the same thing wetto found underneath.

You should take a picture of the spacebar

jangozo · « **Reply #185 on:** Wed, 25 December 2013, 03:34:51 »

I guess the Ultimates are still fine.

However, I couldn't find what was wrong with the stabilizers. I inspected them and everything seemed normal but when I put the space bar back it was just like before (left side stable, right side noisy and wobbly).

terran5992 · « **Reply #186 on:** Wed, 25 December 2013, 03:58:20 »

The stabalizers look thinner on the left side

jangozo · « **Reply #187 on:** Wed, 25 December 2013, 04:12:33 »

Quote from: terran5992 on Wed, 25 December 2013, 03:58:20

The stabalizers look thinner on the left side

Maybe it's the bad quality but I checked and they look equally thin to me. I even swapped them and it had no effect. I noticed something else, the metal piece isn't even. See how on the left side, the metal bar is touching the plastic and resting nicely but the right side isn't touching anything. I tried bending it to align them but it just wouldn't align.

Xrayz0r · « **Reply #188 on:** Mon, 31 March 2014, 04:13:40 »

Check this out. Is it robots running the Das Keyboard helpdesk?

Quote from: Aimee-DasKeyboard on Tue, 27 November 2012, 15:17:08

Quality is at the forefront of everything we do at Das Keyboard. Our goal is to create the best keyboard and the only way to do that is to put quality first. In 2012, we made a significant investment in additional factories to meet expanding demand and have carefully chosen additional manufacturers who reflect the same level of quality we have always stood for. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to send us a message over at Das Keyboard and we’d be happy to address them.

Quote from: March 2014 response from Das Keyboard helpdesk

Thank you for contacting us. Quality is at the forefront of everything we do at Das Keyboard. Our goal is to create the best keyboard and the only way to do that is to put quality first. In 2012, we made a significant investment in additional factories to meet expanding demand. Although we cannot disclose our manufacturing partners, we have carefully chosen additional manufacturers who reflect the same level of quality we have always stood for. Our Ultimate models are manufactured in Taiwan and our Professional models are manufactured in China.

I hope this helps. Let me know if you have further questions.

Either a big coincidence, or they've been using the same standard response for 2 years now.

Or robots..

davkol · « **Reply #189 on:** Mon, 31 March 2014, 04:59:38 »

Maybe they just run a patched version of the Corporate Bull**** Generator.

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