Post by: eniigma on Sat, 08 February 2020, 08:11:41
This switch has been in circulation throughout Korea. After sending samples to several people and gauging interest, HHHH would like to bring it to the western market.
This linear switch is extremely smooth. Sound tests are linked at the bottom of the post, and hopefully that gives an idea of the smoothness.
The spring is a custom 78g gold plated spring, weighted to HHHH's preferences.
These are NOT ordinary JWK linears; HHHH worked with JWK and modified existing molds to his specification.
He has told me that he wanted a switch that felt similar to vintage Cherry MX Blacks, and in my opinion, he has successfully captured that smoothness.
The switches will come with a very small amount of factory lube applied to the stem.
I can attest that these are some of the smoothest linears I've tried, with an extremely nice, thocky sound profile. My sound test will come after I actually use my samples in a board.
HHHH wanted me to clarify this: in China, there is a very similar switch being produced that is essentially a clone of the H1. HHHH created this switch first, and he wanted to make this clear to avoid any confusion.
Leave any questions down below, and either I or HHHH will answer it.
TLDR:
Top: Polycarbonate
Bottom: Polyamide (which is essentially nylon)
Stem: POM
Spring: 78g
Vendors: Novelkeys, MyKeyboard, iLumKB, DailyClack, letsgetit.io (HHHHH's store for Korea and neighboring nations) and (NEW) ApexKeyboards!
Estimated price: $6.00 (could be more in some regions with import tax etc)
In-stock sale - NOT a group buy
Sound tests:
t=102s
Timeline:
12/19 - First samples recieved
1/20 - Sale in Korea started
2/8 - IC posted
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Post by: eniigma on Sat, 08 February 2020, 08:17:20
interested, any pricing estimate?Not decided yet. I will update when I have details on pricing.
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Post by: eniigma on Sat, 08 February 2020, 08:37:09
really interesting depending on the price. Is there any possibility of sending some of these to some people to be compared with other switches? Wanting to get inks and put UHMWPE stems, but might get these instead. But would love some opinions over them from a variety of people.You can compare the sound tests to other sound tests. Or, once I get back to my home, I can record a side-by-side between a few different linear switches.
Post by: eniigma on Sat, 08 February 2020, 08:38:46
Any photo of the switch?I forgot to take photos earlier, but they are an all black switch. Something you may find interesting is that the switches themselves are very shiny, and some may even say, slippery. The plastic is very smooth.
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EDIT: added HHHH's proto to OP.
Post by: dyka.tran on Sat, 08 February 2020, 08:41:23
really interesting depending on the price. Is there any possibility of sending some of these to some people to be compared with other switches? Wanting to get inks and put UHMWPE stems, but might get these instead. But would love some opinions over them from a variety of people.You can compare the sound tests to other sound tests. Or, once I get back to my home, I can record a side-by-side between a few different linear switches.
Do you have any kb that has stainless steel plate to test this switch?
Post by: eniigma on Sat, 08 February 2020, 08:48:58
I don't own a stainless steel plate, no. Sorry about that. I will be rebuilding my Infinitum prototype with these switches with a POM plate in the coming weeks, if that's something you'd be interested in.really interesting depending on the price. Is there any possibility of sending some of these to some people to be compared with other switches? Wanting to get inks and put UHMWPE stems, but might get these instead. But would love some opinions over them from a variety of people.You can compare the sound tests to other sound tests. Or, once I get back to my home, I can record a side-by-side between a few different linear switches.
Do you have any kb that has stainless steel plate to test this switch?
Post by: YMwoo on Sat, 08 February 2020, 08:52:47
- I'm in Korea but I don't know any local community. Is there anyway I can get it for local? instead of purchasing from overseas
- is it SMD LED compatible? since seems it's solid?
Post by: hkiri on Sat, 08 February 2020, 08:55:46
But in the end the price is the deciding factor.
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Post by: ThereminGoat on Sat, 08 February 2020, 09:19:15
Link to 43 Studios' Obsidian Switches:
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/18102
Post by: eniigma on Sat, 08 February 2020, 09:27:01
2 questions:They are not being sold by HHHH at the moment for the time being, as he'd like to expand to other markets. You will have an opportunity to purchase them through the group buy.
- I'm in Korea but I don't know any local community. Is there anyway I can get it for local? instead of purchasing from overseas
- is it SMD LED compatible? since seems it's solid?
Not sure about SMD, I don't remember so I will ask him.
Are these switches being manufactured in Korea? Also, which switch is essentially a clone of this switch? If the clone is a popular linear then I think I would be even more interested in getting some of these.It is being manufactured by JWK. See below for more clone switch info.
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How does the smoothness and sound compare to the C3 tangerines v2, alpacas and inks?The smoothness is comparable to Tealios, if not slightly smoother. The sound profile is deeper pitched than inks. Haven't tried alpacas and C3 tangerine v2s.
Talking about a Chinese clone, I'm sure you're likely talking about 43 Studios' Obsidian switch. However, according to 43's ZFrontier page, those are being sold with 62g gold plated springs rather than the 78g springs listed here for H1s. Do you have any commentary on if these are the clones being mentioned and if so, why the difference in spring weight?HHHH didn't tell me exact details but looking at that page, I think he was talking about that switch.
Link to 43 Studios' Obsidian Switches:
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/18102
Spring weight isn't too hard to change up in order to make a clone switch look "different". I would assume that is why the weights are different.
Post by: sivor on Sat, 08 February 2020, 09:29:36
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Post by: dyka.tran on Sat, 08 February 2020, 09:35:10
I don't own a stainless steel plate, no. Sorry about that. I will be rebuilding my Infinitum prototype with these switches with a POM plate in the coming weeks, if that's something you'd be interested in.really interesting depending on the price. Is there any possibility of sending some of these to some people to be compared with other switches? Wanting to get inks and put UHMWPE stems, but might get these instead. But would love some opinions over them from a variety of people.You can compare the sound tests to other sound tests. Or, once I get back to my home, I can record a side-by-side between a few different linear switches.
Do you have any kb that has stainless steel plate to test this switch?
It's okay, I just wondered how the sound would be while typing on SS plate in comparison with aluminum plate. SS plate in a customed kb is quite rare these days.
Post by: Vireca on Sat, 08 February 2020, 09:35:46
Post by: eniigma on Sat, 08 February 2020, 09:36:51
Yo Eniigma, any estimates for gb time rn? or is it too early to tell?
A bit early, yes, but hopefully in the next couple of months. Depends on a number of factors, including the coronavirus outbreak.
Are the switches using the hinghinghonghing springs? From the typing sounds, I think they sounds quite a bit like cherry mx. Very flat sound instead of high pitched and pressured like inks. Color me interested
The springs have been tuned to HHHH's spec, and he was going for a vintage MX Black-like switch anyways, so that explains the nice sound profile.
Post by: nickaster1 on Sat, 08 February 2020, 09:39:14
Yeah scrap that I’m inYo Eniigma, any estimates for gb time rn? or is it too early to tell?
A bit early, yes, but hopefully in the next couple of months. Depends on a number of factors, including the coronavirus outbreak.Are the switches using the hinghinghonghing springs? From the typing sounds, I think they sounds quite a bit like cherry mx. Very flat sound instead of high pitched and pressured like inks. Color me interested
The springs have been tuned to HHHH's spec, and he was going for a vintage MX Black-like switch anyways, so that explains the nice sound profile.
Post by: dyka.tran on Sat, 08 February 2020, 09:53:22
How does the smoothness and sound compare to the C3 tangerines v2, alpacas and inks?The smoothness is comparable to Tealios, if not slightly smoother. The sound profile is deeper pitched than inks. Haven't tried alpacas and C3 tangerine v2s.
Superb!
Are the switches using the hinghinghonghing springs? From the typing sounds, I think they sounds quite a bit like cherry mx. Very flat sound instead of high pitched and pressured like inks. Color me interested
The springs have been tuned to HHHH's spec, and he was going for a vintage MX Black-like switch anyways, so that explains the nice sound profile.
Superb x2! BTW, are the springs from the Chinese switch-maker itself? Not from third side (such as some famous Korean spring-makers)?
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Post by: eniigma on Sat, 08 February 2020, 10:02:14
Not Gon springs, but afaik, not OG HHHH spring manufacturer as well. JWK is handling the production, but the springs are tuned to HHHH's preferences, so it will feel very similar, if not identical.How does the smoothness and sound compare to the C3 tangerines v2, alpacas and inks?The smoothness is comparable to Tealios, if not slightly smoother. The sound profile is deeper pitched than inks. Haven't tried alpacas and C3 tangerine v2s.
Superb!Are the switches using the hinghinghonghing springs? From the typing sounds, I think they sounds quite a bit like cherry mx. Very flat sound instead of high pitched and pressured like inks. Color me interested
The springs have been tuned to HHHH's spec, and he was going for a vintage MX Black-like switch anyways, so that explains the nice sound profile.
Superb x2! BTW, are the springs from the Chinese switch-maker itself? Not from third side (such as some famous Korean spring-makers)?
Any price estimate on these?Nothing final yet, but price will be as low as possible.
How about putting HHHH on the switchtop? Wouldn’t that be a big selling point?This is a good idea; I will talk to him about it.
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lolwat
anyway, I'll try em, bring the GB
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Post by: wholypantalones on Sat, 08 February 2020, 16:22:32
It's cool that they look like shiny vintage blacks though.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 08 February 2020, 16:51:44
Alpacas also have a polycarb top and to be honest they had a bit of a pop on the upstroke that I wasn't fond of and few others have mentioned the same thing. Sounds like the typing videos reflect that too.
It's cool that they look like shiny vintage blacks though.
That pop is largely caused by the loose top housing. It is greatly reduced with switch films. I don't mind adding films, but it would be ideal if they could just tighten tolerances.
Post by: funderburker on Sat, 08 February 2020, 17:14:11
Post by: dyka.tran on Sat, 08 February 2020, 17:15:17
Alpacas also have a polycarb top and to be honest they had a bit of a pop on the upstroke that I wasn't fond of and few others have mentioned the same thing. Sounds like the typing videos reflect that too.
It's cool that they look like shiny vintage blacks though.
That pop is largely caused by the loose top housing. It is greatly reduced with switch films. I don't mind adding films, but it would be ideal if they could just tighten tolerances.
Well, based on this
...we can hope that HHHH did make JWK do something to tighten the top housing.
These are NOT ordinary JWK linears; HHHH worked with JWK and modified existing molds to his specification.
...
Post by: wholypantalones on Sat, 08 February 2020, 18:35:18
Alpacas also have a polycarb top and to be honest they had a bit of a pop on the upstroke that I wasn't fond of and few others have mentioned the same thing. Sounds like the typing videos reflect that too.
It's cool that they look like shiny vintage blacks though.
That pop is largely caused by the loose top housing. It is greatly reduced with switch films. I don't mind adding films, but it would be ideal if they could just tighten tolerances.
It's not fixed with switch films, I did 90 of them with 205 and the tops were still pretty loud even filmed. It's the polycarb top.
Post by: carlouws on Sat, 08 February 2020, 19:00:46
Post by: YMwoo on Sat, 08 February 2020, 23:02:19
well that's sucks since the shipping will always be expensive to here though it's understandable.2 questions:They are not being sold by HHHH at the moment for the time being, as he'd like to expand to other markets. You will have an opportunity to purchase them through the group buy.
- I'm in Korea but I don't know any local community. Is there anyway I can get it for local? instead of purchasing from overseas
- is it SMD LED compatible? since seems it's solid?
Not sure about SMD, I don't remember so I will ask him.
about SMD will be waiting! i don't mind either way, just want to know what to expect
Post by: rclewright on Sat, 08 February 2020, 23:11:30
Post by: eniigma on Sun, 09 February 2020, 01:02:25
I’ve tried 5 different type of JWK switches and they all needed switch films to keep the top housing from rattling. Any chance you could convince them to get that addressed?Tolerances were pretty tight from my impressions, but I'll talk to him to see what I can do to tighten it some more.
"This linear switch is extremely smooth. Sound tests are linked at the bottom of the post, and hopefully that gives an idea of the smoothness."don't shoot the messenger
lolwat
Post by: Quinella on Sun, 09 February 2020, 01:14:58
DailyClack for Aus vendor please!!
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Post by: quad_h on Sun, 09 February 2020, 09:03:55
Very interested as I'm kinda sick of all the cutesy colored switches (especially with linears) TBH. It would definitely be a huge plus if HHHH got the tightness of the top housings fixed with his design here. Either way count me in for at least batch or two!
This switch has good top/bottom coupling.
Post by: quad_h on Sun, 09 February 2020, 09:12:14
Talking about a Chinese clone, I'm sure you're likely talking about 43 Studios' Obsidian switch. However, according to 43's ZFrontier page, those are being sold with 62g gold plated springs rather than the 78g springs listed here for H1s. Do you have any commentary on if these are the clones being mentioned and if so, why the difference in spring weight?
Link to 43 Studios' Obsidian Switches:
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/18102
To explain my poor English, I am referring to the switch.
I can't claim ownership of the existing molds.
I am also due to the switch made by modifying the existing mold.
Creating new molds can be expensive, and consequently the amount of the product increases.
Someday I'll have a new mold engraved with the logo on the top shell, but not now.
So what I want to say is to I avoid misunderstanding later
Post by: nickaster1 on Sun, 09 February 2020, 09:14:48
Concise. But not rude. From the OP. I’d like to see more of this.Talking about a Chinese clone, I'm sure you're likely talking about 43 Studios' Obsidian switch. However, according to 43's ZFrontier page, those are being sold with 62g gold plated springs rather than the 78g springs listed here for H1s. Do you have any commentary on if these are the clones being mentioned and if so, why the difference in spring weight?
Link to 43 Studios' Obsidian Switches:
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/18102
To explain my poor English, I am referring to the switch.
I can't claim ownership of the existing molds.
I am also due to the switch made by modifying the existing mold.
Creating new molds can be expensive, and consequently the amount of the product increases.
Someday I'll have a new mold engraved with the logo on the top shell, but not now.
So what I want to say is to I avoid misunderstanding later
Post by: Pach on Sun, 09 February 2020, 10:54:48
Post by: Rob27shred on Sun, 09 February 2020, 11:17:26
Very interested as I'm kinda sick of all the cutesy colored switches (especially with linears) TBH. It would definitely be a huge plus if HHHH got the tightness of the top housings fixed with his design here. Either way count me in for at least batch or two!
This switch has good top/bottom coupling.
Awesome to hear & thanks for the response! Looking forward to the GB!
Post by: jrs on Sun, 09 February 2020, 16:15:45
Post by: eniigma on Sun, 09 February 2020, 19:31:11
Concise. But not rude. From the OP. I’d like to see more of this.Talking about a Chinese clone, I'm sure you're likely talking about 43 Studios' Obsidian switch. However, according to 43's ZFrontier page, those are being sold with 62g gold plated springs rather than the 78g springs listed here for H1s. Do you have any commentary on if these are the clones being mentioned and if so, why the difference in spring weight?
Link to 43 Studios' Obsidian Switches:
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/18102
To explain my poor English, I am referring to the switch.
I can't claim ownership of the existing molds.
I am also due to the switch made by modifying the existing mold.
Creating new molds can be expensive, and consequently the amount of the product increases.
Someday I'll have a new mold engraved with the logo on the top shell, but not now.
So what I want to say is to I avoid misunderstanding later
Sorry if I came off as rude, just wanted to clear the air
Post by: nickaster1 on Sun, 09 February 2020, 19:46:14
Ah don’t worry. You weren’t being rudeConcise. But not rude. From the OP. I’d like to see more of this.Talking about a Chinese clone, I'm sure you're likely talking about 43 Studios' Obsidian switch. However, according to 43's ZFrontier page, those are being sold with 62g gold plated springs rather than the 78g springs listed here for H1s. Do you have any commentary on if these are the clones being mentioned and if so, why the difference in spring weight?
Link to 43 Studios' Obsidian Switches:
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/18102
To explain my poor English, I am referring to the switch.
I can't claim ownership of the existing molds.
I am also due to the switch made by modifying the existing mold.
Creating new molds can be expensive, and consequently the amount of the product increases.
Someday I'll have a new mold engraved with the logo on the top shell, but not now.
So what I want to say is to I avoid misunderstanding later
Sorry if I came off as rude, just wanted to clear the air
Post by: snelltrail on Sun, 09 February 2020, 20:27:39
DailyClack for Aus vendor please!!
+1 for our lovely DailyClack as oce vendor
Another +1 for Daily Clack. Phatty and would are numbah wan.
Post by: bigboss on Mon, 10 February 2020, 00:47:49
Post by: Tefrem34 on Mon, 10 February 2020, 01:38:34
I look forward to when they are going to be available.
Thank you for sharing.
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Post by: monteyalps on Mon, 10 February 2020, 16:51:12
I'm in!
Post by: Mtalbert on Mon, 10 February 2020, 18:53:44
Post by: quad_h on Mon, 10 February 2020, 19:07:29
Funny. I have seen a very similar switch in China comunication. Its called 'obsidian', and its made by JWK as well.
That's it. That's what I thought. I want to avoid this misunderstanding. I was selling it in Korea while it was receiving applications. Isn't it really funny? I don't think there can be a monopoly on color and pressure. Also, I did not create a new mold and I did it by asking for modification of the existing mold. I think a switch of similar concept can be made because it belongs to JWK.
Post by: Mtalbert on Mon, 10 February 2020, 19:31:57
I see. Thanks for your reply. In my opinion, all JWK linear switches types really close. Hope you can bring something new.Funny. I have seen a very similar switch in China comunication. Its called 'obsidian', and its made by JWK as well.
That's it. That's what I thought. I want to avoid this misunderstanding. I was selling it in Korea while it was receiving applications. Isn't it really funny? I don't think there can be a monopoly on color and pressure. Also, I did not create a new mold and I did it by asking for modification of the existing mold. I think a switch of similar concept can be made because it belongs to JWK.
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 10 February 2020, 19:58:24
For what it's worth, between this and other JWK linears I own, they are significantly different.I see. Thanks for your reply. In my opinion, all JWK linear switches types really close. Hope you can bring something new.Funny. I have seen a very similar switch in China comunication. Its called 'obsidian', and its made by JWK as well.
That's it. That's what I thought. I want to avoid this misunderstanding. I was selling it in Korea while it was receiving applications. Isn't it really funny? I don't think there can be a monopoly on color and pressure. Also, I did not create a new mold and I did it by asking for modification of the existing mold. I think a switch of similar concept can be made because it belongs to JWK.
Post by: carlouws on Mon, 10 February 2020, 20:21:14
For what it's worth, between this and other JWK linears I own, they are significantly different.
In which way are they significantly different? How would you compare these to the Alpaca/Mauve in terms of smoothness?
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 10 February 2020, 21:16:38
For what it's worth, between this and other JWK linears I own, they are significantly different.
In which way are they significantly different? How would you compare these to the Alpaca/Mauve in terms of smoothness?
Similar smoothness unlubed, H1s are more buttery when lubed. Much deeper and thockier sounding.
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Post by: eniigma on Mon, 10 February 2020, 23:14:11
Dope, definitely interested. Will the you be sticking with the all black color scheme?Yep, the switch will be the same all-black color that is seen in the pictures from the OP.
Post by: Nevermore012 on Mon, 10 February 2020, 23:48:53
i may swap the stem to invyr stem uhmwep to match with gmk metaverse, lolDope, definitely interested. Will the you be sticking with the all black color scheme?Yep, the switch will be the same all-black color that is seen in the pictures from the OP.
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 12 February 2020, 00:28:21
ooooh i love me some drama. things are heating up in 43's group rn =)We aren't looking for drama. Just wanted to clear up any confusion that would have inevitably occurred had we not clarified it in the OP.
Post by: dyka.tran on Wed, 12 February 2020, 04:10:06
ooooh i love me some drama. things are heating up in 43's group rn =)We aren't looking for drama. Just wanted to clear up any confusion that would have inevitably occurred had we not clarified it in the OP.
Don't worry, I believe people here will still buy from quad_h-nim.
On the other hand, have quad_h-nim and you tried lighter springs? 60-70gr?
Post by: renolo on Wed, 12 February 2020, 05:32:29
ooooh i love me some drama. things are heating up in 43's group rn =)
Drama? Where? Drama is always fun : P
Post by: Momo.Kafka on Wed, 12 February 2020, 07:39:11
+1 Dailyclack for Australian vendors
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Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 12 February 2020, 08:53:50
I’ve tried 5 different type of JWK switches and they all needed switch films to keep the top housing from rattling. Any chance you could convince them to get that addressed?Tolerances were pretty tight from my impressions, but I'll talk to him to see what I can do to tighten it some more.
I experienced the same, although we have yet to see what happens with the Marshmallow switches.
To be clear, historically films were designed to reduce "wobble" in which the top visibly wobbles side to side when you move the slider around. However nowadays by and I think many people use them to reduce "rattle", in which under normal typing conditions the top housing vibrates against the bottom housing. Cherry MX, Gateron (including Zealios), and JWK switches all seem to need it. Kailh Creams need it too but not all films fit due to their thickness. The difference is mostly noticeable in sound, but you can also feel the reduced vibration depending on how sensitive your fingers are. It's even more noticeable with silent switches. It also tends to increase the tactility of tactile switches.
Post by: walie on Wed, 12 February 2020, 17:13:07
Post by: donkey on Wed, 12 February 2020, 18:37:23
1. H1 from the two videos sounds very similar to how Mauves sound. Slightly sharper but that's could easily be attributed to other build factors as well as the microphone. C3 Tangerine R2 sound is closer to Inks and Tealios than these new crop of silky-thocks from JWK.
2. Mauve rattles and filming does not help. What reduced rattle in my Mauve build is lubing, adjusting reducing spring weight, and trying different keycaps and profiles. AFAIK, the sound is made by the top surface of the slider hitting the top housing which is why reducing spring weight or adding more lube there reduces rattle. But it's not clear whether stronger spring, like H1's 78g, will help or hurt with the rattle.
3. IMO these silky-thocks (Alpaca, Mauve, Marshmallow, and now H1) from JWK are the best value linear switches today. The good news is that we've now reached the level of smoothness where what I can best describe as skating feel surfaces prominently. The bad news is that we now have to choose between skating and buttery feel as they don't mix well (lube adds drag that detracts from skating).
UPDATE:
4. I was able to swap top housing easily with Mauves. C3 Tangerine R2 top fits. Aliaz top fits. etc. I think they all use the same housing design and process, changing only the material and coloring. FYI, nyton top had slightly more rattle than polycarb top.
5. I'd like to see JWK make some silky-clacks by making the stem tip slightly longer like Halo and Cream stems. Too loud for office use but more satisfying soundwise.
6. More details of my Mauve build can be found over at Keebtalk: https://www.keebtalk.com/t/easing-into-linears/6855/323?u=donpark
UPDATE2: I won't be getting H1s as-is because a) I already have Mauves (it's mauvelous) and b) 78g is too much for me. But I'd order in an instant if the mentioned 'modification' is longer stem tip for that addictive CLACK!
Post by: quad_h on Wed, 12 February 2020, 18:54:05
So how do we know JWK isn’t lying to everyone and these are just recoloured alpacas?
If the switches were previously made by JWK, they could be similar.
Despite my request, JWK didn't offer me a mold for my own use.
Actually, this my request was rude in JWK's position.
That means the mold can be shared.
Switch designers think they should find their own characteristics through materials, colors, and pressure.
If not, I think we're going to have to make a mold that can only be used on its own.
Post by: Sup on Wed, 12 February 2020, 19:17:17
Post by: Aatlatlatla on Wed, 12 February 2020, 19:24:07
Post by: quad_h on Wed, 12 February 2020, 19:33:21
Interested are there going to be proxies for every region? EU,NA,Asia
I am in talks with NK,MK,DC,ILKB.
I can't afford to send shipping charges abroad. I'm looking for ways to make purchases faster and more comfortable with overseas vendors.
Post by: ttom on Wed, 12 February 2020, 19:42:09
Interested are there going to be proxies for every region? EU,NA,Asia
I am in talks with NK,MK,DC,ILKB.
I can't afford to send shipping charges abroad. I'm looking for ways to make purchases faster and more comfortable with overseas vendors.
glad to hear about mk, looking forward to this :thumb:
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 12 February 2020, 20:26:29
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 12 February 2020, 22:15:57
oh nice. would love to see an SEA proxy :thumb:also planned
Post by: delet_d on Wed, 12 February 2020, 22:39:23
Post by: datfroyodoe on Wed, 12 February 2020, 22:58:41
Post by: Smoff on Thu, 13 February 2020, 17:16:42
Any lighter spring avail?Just swap out the spring for something else my guy. That is what I am gonna do
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 13 February 2020, 21:12:54
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 13 February 2020, 21:39:14
Why polycarb top housing?Why not?
In all seriousness though, it's a common material for top housings, and HHHH didn't see any need to change it just for the sake of being different.
The tops are slightly thicker, which reduces the upstroke "clack" noise, so if that was your concern, it shouldn't be an issue.
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 13 February 2020, 21:41:27
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Post by: eniigma on Thu, 13 February 2020, 21:55:26
Just curious, been asking everywhere and the answer seems to be non-existent hah. Seems like all nylon housings sound better so was curious if the PC top was a sound preference akin to milky gaterons.Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness. Most switch manufacturers (including JWK) just don't want to produce full nylon switches as it isn't as cost effective as polycarbonate.
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To compensate, HHHH has increased the thickness of the tops to better the sound profile. Hope that answers your question.
Post by: nickaster1 on Thu, 13 February 2020, 22:14:47
I don’t have anything against poly housings, but I think it’d do the switch tremendously if the tolerances are comparable to the panda switches.Just curious, been asking everywhere and the answer seems to be non-existent hah. Seems like all nylon housings sound better so was curious if the PC top was a sound preference akin to milky gaterons.Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness. Most switch manufacturers (including JWK) just don't want to produce full nylon switches as it isn't as cost effective as polycarbonate.
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To compensate, HHHH has increased the thickness of the tops to better the sound profile. Hope that answers your question.
Also that makes me hope for a nylon housing with tighter tolerances. Please someone take down Cherry
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Post by: eniigma on Thu, 13 February 2020, 22:17:45
I don’t have anything against poly housings, but I think it’d do the switch tremendously if the tolerances are comparable to the panda switches.Just curious, been asking everywhere and the answer seems to be non-existent hah. Seems like all nylon housings sound better so was curious if the PC top was a sound preference akin to milky gaterons.Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness. Most switch manufacturers (including JWK) just don't want to produce full nylon switches as it isn't as cost effective as polycarbonate.
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To compensate, HHHH has increased the thickness of the tops to better the sound profile. Hope that answers your question.
Also that makes me hope for a nylon housing with tighter tolerances. Please someone take down Cherry
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Can confirm that the tolerances are quite tight. Not sure if they're Panda tight (those hurt my hands to open), but they're tight enough that I don't feel like they need switch films.
Post by: lakeboredom on Fri, 14 February 2020, 03:20:11
It definitely does, thank you!Just curious, been asking everywhere and the answer seems to be non-existent hah. Seems like all nylon housings sound better so was curious if the PC top was a sound preference akin to milky gaterons.Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness. Most switch manufacturers (including JWK) just don't want to produce full nylon switches as it isn't as cost effective as polycarbonate.
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To compensate, HHHH has increased the thickness of the tops to better the sound profile. Hope that answers your question.
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Post by: quad_h on Sat, 15 February 2020, 01:27:19
is this an HHHH 78g spring, or made to HHHH's spec?
That's not my spring.
This is a JWK requested spring for pressure similar to Cherry Black.
Post by: dyka.tran on Sat, 15 February 2020, 02:20:02
is this an HHHH 78g spring, or made to HHHH's spec?
That's not my spring.
This is a JWK requested spring for pressure similar to Cherry Black.
Hi HHHH-nim, does this switch still work well with lighter spring (60-70gr)?
Post by: lakeboredom on Sat, 15 February 2020, 02:21:15
is this an HHHH 78g spring, or made to HHHH's spec?
That's not my spring.
This is a JWK requested spring for pressure similar to Cherry Black.
Hi HHHH-nim, does this switch still work well with lighter spring (60-70gr)?
It's a linear switch homie.
Post by: eniigma on Sat, 15 February 2020, 03:30:09
I did a spring swap, and it works as well as you'd expect, considering nothing else is changing.is this an HHHH 78g spring, or made to HHHH's spec?
That's not my spring.
This is a JWK requested spring for pressure similar to Cherry Black.
Hi HHHH-nim, does this switch still work well with lighter spring (60-70gr)?
Post by: Esquimo on Sat, 15 February 2020, 04:57:08
Post by: Prelim on Sat, 15 February 2020, 06:06:20
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 15 February 2020, 06:12:07
saying Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness in $1 switches, when Cherry/Gateron full nylon switches are being sold for $0.2-0.5 is ridiculous! :eek: :eek:
Cherry/Gateron are established manufacturers that produce millions of switches, that helps a lot in bringing down pricing.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 15 February 2020, 06:22:30
saying Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness in $1 switches, when Cherry/Gateron full nylon switches are being sold for $0.2-0.5 is ridiculous! :eek: :eek:Economies of scale.
Post by: eniigma on Sat, 15 February 2020, 07:51:36
saying Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness in $1 switches, when Cherry/Gateron full nylon switches are being sold for $0.2-0.5 is ridiculous! :eek: :eek:Economies of scale.
Post by: Angelsin on Sat, 15 February 2020, 08:29:33
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 15 February 2020, 08:38:38
I've heard rumors that you didn't pay for the new molds on recent batches ? Do you have anything to say against these rumors ?Was he supposed to? Don't see anything in the OP saying new molds would be made?
Post by: ShAzz on Sat, 15 February 2020, 08:41:49
Post by: dyka.tran on Sat, 15 February 2020, 08:53:50
I've heard rumors that you didn't pay for the new molds on recent batches ? Do you have anything to say against these rumors ?
What kind of tone is this? Are you some kind of reporter who wants to dig up some scandal. quad_h already answered:
Funny. I have seen a very similar switch in China comunication. Its called 'obsidian', and its made by JWK as well.
That's it. That's what I thought. I want to avoid this misunderstanding. I was selling it in Korea while it was receiving applications. Isn't it really funny? I don't think there can be a monopoly on color and pressure. Also, I did not create a new mold and I did it by asking for modification of the existing mold. I think a switch of similar concept can be made because it belongs to JWK.
Post by: Angelsin on Sat, 15 February 2020, 08:58:08
I've heard rumors that you didn't pay for the new molds on recent batches ? Do you have anything to say against these rumors ?
What kind of tone is this? Are you some kind of reporter who wants to dig up some scandal. quad_h already answered:Funny. I have seen a very similar switch in China comunication. Its called 'obsidian', and its made by JWK as well.
That's it. That's what I thought. I want to avoid this misunderstanding. I was selling it in Korea while it was receiving applications. Isn't it really funny? I don't think there can be a monopoly on color and pressure. Also, I did not create a new mold and I did it by asking for modification of the existing mold. I think a switch of similar concept can be made because it belongs to JWK.
Not quad H, Enigma.
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Post by: Prelim on Sat, 15 February 2020, 10:57:08
Economies of scale.
the most absurd is end up paying a high price for a "special switch" and still need to change the top for a nylon one, harvested from regular cherry/gateron switches lol
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Post by: keyberzerker on Sat, 15 February 2020, 11:17:17
Economies of scale.
the most absurd is end up paying a high price for a "special switch" and still need to change the top for a nylon one, harvested from regular cherry/gateron switches lolShow Image(https://i.imgflip.com/1tu6em.jpg)
And why would you "need to change the top" ?
These switches will be a lot smoother in operation to any regular cherry or gateron switch + they have their own sound signature. These are not there to copy vintage blacks but to create more smooth and even maybe thockier alternative.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 15 February 2020, 11:43:52
Post by: Prelim on Sat, 15 February 2020, 12:39:40
And why would you "need to change the top" ?
just because nylon sounds better and fit tightly, not requiring the usage of switch films like the rest of the switches with PC tops?
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 15 February 2020, 12:44:00
If one balks over switch film pricing, this is not the hobby for them. Lol.
And why would you "need to change the top" ?
just because nylon sounds better and fit tightly, not requiring the usage of switch films like the rest of the switches with PC tops?
Post by: keyberzerker on Sat, 15 February 2020, 13:11:02
And why would you "need to change the top" ?
just because nylon sounds better and fit tightly, not requiring the usage of switch films like the rest of the switches with PC tops?
Dude switch films were made for vintage blacks....
Post by: Prelim on Sat, 15 February 2020, 13:26:37
Dude switch films were made for vintage blacks....
lol? this thread noob level is getting insane...
Post by: keyberzerker on Sat, 15 February 2020, 14:06:42
Dude switch films were made for vintage blacks....
lol? this thread noob level is getting insane...
kek stick to your cherry blacks :-*
Amount of yikes you can get by some people feeling personally threatened or insulted by any other switch or its supporters that dares to challenge THE CHERRY BLACK is amazing!
Post by: Prelim on Sat, 15 February 2020, 14:10:50
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 15 February 2020, 14:11:04
Apparently no one should make anything else ever. That'd show us.
Dude switch films were made for vintage blacks....
lol? this thread noob level is getting insane...
kek stick to your cherry blacks :-*
Amount of yikes you can get by some people feeling personally threatened or insulted by any other switch or its supporters that dares to challenge THE CHERRY BLACK is amazing!
Lotta angst over these switches. If only we could distill it into switch form...
Post by: juaninamilli on Sat, 15 February 2020, 18:15:55
Post by: vaughno on Sat, 15 February 2020, 20:17:07
Oh
Dude switch films were made for vintage blacks....
lol? this thread noob level is getting insane...
kek stick to your cherry blacks :-*
Amount of yikes you can get by some people feeling personally threatened or insulted by any other switch or its supporters that dares to challenge THE CHERRY BLACK is amazing!
Post by: eniigma on Sun, 16 February 2020, 06:02:17
Sound is subjective, and I prefer the sound of H1s to other switches with nylon tops. Also, you haven't even tried the switch, so I don't think you should comment on the wobbliness.
And why would you "need to change the top" ?
just because nylon sounds better and fit tightly, not requiring the usage of switch films like the rest of the switches with PC tops?
If nylon tops are your first priority, may I direct you towards MX Blacks.
So many feeling in this thread. Only thing I wish is that they came with zero lube. Any chance that would happen? As someone who lubes, its more work to clean off someone else’s non careful application. Not to mention, who knows what type of lube it is. Personal preference of feel and sound is such a variable, I’m surprised this isn’t brought up more.This is a good point, let me talk to HHHH.
Post by: dyka.tran on Mon, 17 February 2020, 09:44:39
So many feeling in this thread. Only thing I wish is that they came with zero lube. Any chance that would happen? As someone who lubes, its more work to clean off someone else’s non careful application. Not to mention, who knows what type of lube it is. Personal preference of feel and sound is such a variable, I’m surprised this isn’t brought up more.This is a good point, let me talk to HHHH.
+1 to this opinion. If there isn't any lube, will the price get cheaper?
Post by: irew0w on Mon, 17 February 2020, 14:53:06
Post by: lolpes on Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:25:11
Sound is subjective, and I prefer the sound of H1s to other switches with nylon tops. Also, you haven't even tried the switch, so I don't think you should comment on the wobbliness.
If nylon tops are your first priority, may I direct you towards MX Blacks.
The concern regarding wobbliness and and rattle was raised in this thread a few times already:
I experienced the same, although we have yet to see what happens with the Marshmallow switches.
To be clear, historically films were designed to reduce "wobble" in which the top visibly wobbles side to side when you move the slider around. However nowadays by and I think many people use them to reduce "rattle", in which under normal typing conditions the top housing vibrates against the bottom housing. Cherry MX, Gateron (including Zealios), and JWK switches all seem to need it. Kailh Creams need it too but not all films fit due to their thickness. The difference is mostly noticeable in sound, but you can also feel the reduced vibration depending on how sensitive your fingers are. It's even more noticeable with silent switches. It also tends to increase the tactility of tactile switches.
And the reply to simply increase the tolerances may require a bit more than that. Not looking for drama but seems like a few good concerns where raised, and they to have been simply dismissed for the sake of keeping the hype train moving.
The switches do look promising but the marketing happening here is kind putting me off any additional interest.
Anyway, interested, don't mind factory lube, and hope no additional work will be required to improve the switch to make it what it is trying to accomplish.
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 17 February 2020, 21:09:25
Sound is subjective, and I prefer the sound of H1s to other switches with nylon tops. Also, you haven't even tried the switch, so I don't think you should comment on the wobbliness.
If nylon tops are your first priority, may I direct you towards MX Blacks.
The concern regarding wobbliness and and rattle was raised in this thread a few times already:
I experienced the same, although we have yet to see what happens with the Marshmallow switches.
To be clear, historically films were designed to reduce "wobble" in which the top visibly wobbles side to side when you move the slider around. However nowadays by and I think many people use them to reduce "rattle", in which under normal typing conditions the top housing vibrates against the bottom housing. Cherry MX, Gateron (including Zealios), and JWK switches all seem to need it. Kailh Creams need it too but not all films fit due to their thickness. The difference is mostly noticeable in sound, but you can also feel the reduced vibration depending on how sensitive your fingers are. It's even more noticeable with silent switches. It also tends to increase the tactility of tactile switches.
And the reply to simply increase the tolerances may require a bit more than that. Not looking for drama but seems like a few good concerns where raised, and they to have been simply dismissed for the sake of keeping the hype train moving.
The switches do look promising but the marketing happening here is kind putting me off any additional interest.
Anyway, interested, don't mind factory lube, and hope no additional work will be required to improve the switch to make it what it is trying to accomplish.
I'm sorry you feel that this thread is full of marketing fluff, but we've been as transparent as can be. HHHH asked the factory to tighten the tolerances, and the tops were thickened to prevent against the "snappy" sound that people tend to dislike, and counter with switch films.
Anyhow, if you have any more questions, I'll try to answer them to the best of my ability.
Post by: ballinboyz on Tue, 18 February 2020, 15:23:18
So many feeling in this thread. Only thing I wish is that they came with zero lube. Any chance that would happen? As someone who lubes, its more work to clean off someone else’s non careful application. Not to mention, who knows what type of lube it is. Personal preference of feel and sound is such a variable, I’m surprised this isn’t brought up more.This is a good point, let me talk to HHHH.
+1 to this opinion. If there isn't any lube, will the price get cheaper?
+1. Factory lube adds to the manufacturing process and detracts from the final product.
Post by: jrs on Tue, 18 February 2020, 16:46:57
Post by: walie on Tue, 18 February 2020, 17:20:30
Post by: cryworm on Tue, 18 February 2020, 18:24:25
One point I haven't seen mentioned is: Alpacas are also nylon bottom, PolyCarb top, and POM stems made by JWK/Durock. It seems the differences between the H1s and Alpacas is the "thicker" top housing and spring weight. Are they any other big differentiations between the two? JWK and Durock are the same factories right?
Enigma, maybe you should put out an IC form to gauge how people feel about the pre-lubed switches. Either way I'll prob buy 70 just because I love linears.
Post by: nickaster1 on Tue, 18 February 2020, 20:02:55
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 18 February 2020, 22:43:02
Will the thicker tops make it so switch films can't be used?
Switch films still can be used, just not necessary IMO. The thicker tops won't stop you from applying them.
Can we get confirmation that the tops are actually thicker using some measurements with some calipers? I wouldn’t be surprised if JWK is also lying about this claim.
I will test that once I am home from my vacation. Keep in mind that occasionally, misinformation is spread due to the language barrier, not because they intent to mislead their customers.
I am also against factory lubed switches. I feel like most people that want lubed switches know exactly how they want them to feel, and will be fine doing it themselves.Durock is a company that manufactures switches using the OEM JWK. I'll try to get some more switches and do in-depth comparisons once I am home. IC form is a maybe, I think most people are against factory lube haha.
One point I haven't seen mentioned is: Alpacas are also nylon bottom, PolyCarb top, and POM stems made by JWK/Durock. It seems the differences between the H1s and Alpacas is the "thicker" top housing and spring weight. Are they any other big differentiations between the two? JWK and Durock are the same factories right?
Enigma, maybe you should put out an IC form to gauge how people feel about the pre-lubed switches. Either way I'll prob buy 70 just because I love linears.
With Covid-19 rampaging all over, do you wait until China has opened up their factories again or do you start the GB before and pray that the timeline matches up later on?The group buy will likely open after. We wouldn't want to start collecting money until we're certain that the factory is able to handle the order.
Post by: Joaquox on Wed, 19 February 2020, 02:21:44
Durock is a company that manufactures switches using the OEM JWK. I'll try to get some more switches and do in-depth comparisons once I am home. IC form is a maybe, I think most people are against factory lube haha.
Would it be possible to even get them without the factory assembling them? This would ramp up lubing and spring swap speed dramatically, and reduce the risk of you getting bad reviews from people who tries to use them without lube.
Post by: manzel on Wed, 19 February 2020, 03:24:15
Post by: funderburker on Wed, 19 February 2020, 04:56:04
Durock is a company that manufactures switches using the OEM JWK. I'll try to get some more switches and do in-depth comparisons once I am home. IC form is a maybe, I think most people are against factory lube haha.
Would it be possible to even get them without the factory assembling them? This would ramp up lubing and spring swap speed dramatically, and reduce the risk of you getting bad reviews from people who tries to use them without lube.
This just screams bad reviews because of all the damaged parts while shipping. Also, people that are here probably know if they want to lube and if they don't then that's their own choice.
Don't be lazy, use lube and let it slide smooth and nice. :thumb:
Post by: vegs on Wed, 19 February 2020, 05:30:02
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 19 February 2020, 10:58:18
Durock is a company that manufactures switches using the OEM JWK. I'll try to get some more switches and do in-depth comparisons once I am home. IC form is a maybe, I think most people are against factory lube haha.
Would it be possible to even get them without the factory assembling them? This would ramp up lubing and spring swap speed dramatically, and reduce the risk of you getting bad reviews from people who tries to use them without lube.
It's likely possible, but would create a furfillment nightmare. Also, not delivering a complete, assembled product isn't very professional, and we likely won't be taking this route.
Post by: fleeceman on Wed, 19 February 2020, 15:08:50
Post by: cdhoffmann on Wed, 19 February 2020, 15:39:03
Very interested - also can we skip the factory lube? Everyone will want to lube their own switches I imagine
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Post by: nickaster1 on Wed, 19 February 2020, 20:41:37
Very interested - also can we skip the factory lube? Everyone will want to lube their own switches I imagineThe question was literally asked 50 times just above you my friend.
Post by: Joaquox on Thu, 20 February 2020, 08:34:33
Well, it's not complete without lube, and IKEA seems to do ok sans assembly. I get what you're saying, and it's hardly a deal breaker :thumb:Durock is a company that manufactures switches using the OEM JWK. I'll try to get some more switches and do in-depth comparisons once I am home. IC form is a maybe, I think most people are against factory lube haha.
Would it be possible to even get them without the factory assembling them? This would ramp up lubing and spring swap speed dramatically, and reduce the risk of you getting bad reviews from people who tries to use them without lube.
It's likely possible, but would create a furfillment nightmare. Also, not delivering a complete, assembled product isn't very professional, and we likely won't be taking this route.
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 20 February 2020, 08:37:15
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 20 February 2020, 16:26:07
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Post by: eniigma on Sat, 22 February 2020, 00:09:19
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Post by: Top Right Logo on Sat, 22 February 2020, 00:18:33
Post by: eniigma on Sat, 22 February 2020, 00:32:53
Great to hear back on the proxies! Is there any general timeline as of yet?Not yet, due to coronavirus.
Post by: nickaster1 on Sat, 22 February 2020, 00:34:58
Post by: bobgr8 on Sat, 22 February 2020, 03:17:45
As long as these are priced alongside the other JWK switches, I'll probably buy some. heavy boi springs though wew
+1 great pricing on alpacas, hoping to see a similar price on these, if not lower. Given these are a gb
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sat, 22 February 2020, 05:27:57
Post by: 43studio on Sat, 22 February 2020, 08:20:44
Recently, there are lot of friend tells me that there is a switch on Geekhack that is very similar to my obsidian switch, I read the post and I will respond to the following points:
First of all, the accusation of plagiarism H1 switch.I got the idea to make an extremely smooth switch just like vintage MX black at October the 2019 when I were loving using vintage black switches .To achieve this.I place the order with some new technology to jwick in the end of October 2019.
And I got my sample at Nov.28,Share them with my trusted friend,earlier then HHHH got the sample.
At January of 2020,I Sold some test Pack,and begin Group buy from jan.14 to Feb.14
HHHH is everything later then my obsidian switch ,and you just accuse me of plagiarizing your switch? Plz tell me how can I stealing your ideas?
About the clone.This two switch have significant difference,obsidian using 62cn Black spring,and the custom build switch tops with a side engraved 43 studio logo.
The following are some evidence screenshot and links:
1. The picture I got sample and share with my friend(Nov.28)
(https://i.imgur.com/BlEiBK1.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/h4A5lGr.jpg)
2. My IC post in Zfrontier(A famous Chinese form):
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/18102
I hope you will respond one by one to what I said above,I have relevant legal documents, if necessary, can be litigated;
Post by: Seoulcialite on Sat, 22 February 2020, 08:47:14
Yeah the leafs would get wrecked if unassembled.
I was thinking the same thing. Unless they ship the bottom housing in a box with rails like Drop Halo switches, there's a good chance that many of the switch leafs would get wrecked.
Post by: ThereminGoat on Sat, 22 February 2020, 09:56:27
I hope you will respond one by one to what I said above,I have relevant legal documents, if necessary, can be litigated;
I'd just like to say, thanks for making my job easier. With drama like this, the reviews write themselves.
Post by: raptorzoz on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:00:45
I hope you will respond one by one to what I said above,I have relevant legal documents, if necessary, can be litigated;
I'd just like to say, thanks for making my job easier. With drama like this, the reviews write themselves.
kek
Post by: Dafraz117 on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:14:33
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Post by: raptorzoz on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:24:10
Hello guys,43 studio there.
Recently, there are lot of friend tells me that there is a switch on Geekhack that is very similar to my obsidian switch, I read the post and I will respond to the following points:
First of all, the accusation of plagiarism H1 switch.I got the idea to make an extremely smooth switch just like vintage MX black at October the 2019 when I were loving using vintage black switches .To achieve this.I place the order with some new technology to jwick in the end of October 2019.
And I got my sample at Nov.28,Share them with my trusted friend,earlier then HHHH got the sample.
At January of 2020,I Sold some test Pack,and begin Group buy from jan.14 to Feb.14
HHHH is everything later then my obsidian switch ,and you just accuse me of plagiarizing your switch? Plz tell me how can I stealing your ideas?
About the clone.This two switch have significant difference,obsidian using 62cn Black spring,and the custom build switch tops with a side engraved 43 studio logo.
The following are some evidence screenshot and links:
1. The picture I got sample and share with my friend(Nov.28)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BlEiBK1.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/h4A5lGr.jpg)
2. My IC post in Zfrontier(A famous Chinese form):
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/18102
I hope you will respond one by one to what I said above,I have relevant legal documents, if necessary, can be litigated;
dude, you're literally copying a switch (cherry mx black), which isn't exactly a distinct colourway, and then when somebody else makes a black switch you complain, get outta here... If you're salty about it just run your own parallel GB
Post by: senryo on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:28:51
Hello guys,43 studio there.
Recently, there are lot of friend tells me that there is a switch on Geekhack that is very similar to my obsidian switch, I read the post and I will respond to the following points:
First of all, the accusation of plagiarism H1 switch.I got the idea to make an extremely smooth switch just like vintage MX black at October the 2019 when I were loving using vintage black switches .To achieve this.I place the order with some new technology to jwick in the end of October 2019.
And I got my sample at Nov.28,Share them with my trusted friend,earlier then HHHH got the sample.
At January of 2020,I Sold some test Pack,and begin Group buy from jan.14 to Feb.14
HHHH is everything later then my obsidian switch ,and you just accuse me of plagiarizing your switch? Plz tell me how can I stealing your ideas?
About the clone.This two switch have significant difference,obsidian using 62cn Black spring,and the custom build switch tops with a side engraved 43 studio logo.
The following are some evidence screenshot and links:
1. The picture I got sample and share with my friend(Nov.28)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BlEiBK1.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/h4A5lGr.jpg)
2. My IC post in Zfrontier(A famous Chinese form):
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/18102
I hope you will respond one by one to what I said above,I have relevant legal documents, if necessary, can be litigated;
dude, you're literally copying a switch (cherry mx black), which isn't exactly a distinct colourway, and then when somebody else makes a black switch you complain, get outta here... If you're salty about it just run your own parallel GB
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HHHH wanted me to clarify this: in China, there is a very similar switch being produced that is essentially a clone of the H1. HHHH created this switch first, and he wanted to make this clear to avoid any confusion.
it was an allegation against, presumably 43 studio, which was why they responded.
I don't see anything wrong if A called out B, and B comes out to defend himself.
Post by: lolpes on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:29:24
dude, you're literally copying a switch (cherry mx black), which isn't exactly a distinct colourway, and then when somebody else makes a black switch you complain, get outta here... If you're salty about it just run your own parallel GB
I don't think it's about patented design or something like that, i think it's a response to HHHH claims that he came up with the switch first:
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HHHH wanted me to clarify this: in China, there is a very similar switch being produced that is essentially a clone of the H1. HHHH created this switch first, and he wanted to make this clear to avoid any confusion.
Anyway, gotta love the drama :)
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:32:04
I mean without having some timestamp showing when HHHH created his everything he said is kinda baseless. I can come out and say I created a switch before either. Means nothing if I can't prove it. Just like they cant call me out without proving it also.Hello guys,43 studio there.
Recently, there are lot of friend tells me that there is a switch on Geekhack that is very similar to my obsidian switch, I read the post and I will respond to the following points:
First of all, the accusation of plagiarism H1 switch.I got the idea to make an extremely smooth switch just like vintage MX black at October the 2019 when I were loving using vintage black switches .To achieve this.I place the order with some new technology to jwick in the end of October 2019.
And I got my sample at Nov.28,Share them with my trusted friend,earlier then HHHH got the sample.
At January of 2020,I Sold some test Pack,and begin Group buy from jan.14 to Feb.14
HHHH is everything later then my obsidian switch ,and you just accuse me of plagiarizing your switch? Plz tell me how can I stealing your ideas?
About the clone.This two switch have significant difference,obsidian using 62cn Black spring,and the custom build switch tops with a side engraved 43 studio logo.
The following are some evidence screenshot and links:
1.The picture I got sample and share with my friend(Nov.28)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BlEiBK1.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/h4A5lGr.jpg)
2.My IC post in Zfrontier(A famous Chinese form):
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/18102
I hope you will respond one by one to what I said above,I have relevant legal documents, if necessary, can be litigated;
dude, you're literally copying a switch (cherry mx black), which isn't exactly a distinct colourway, and then when somebody else makes a black switch you complain, get outta here... If you're salty about it just run your own parallel GBQuoteHHHH wanted me to clarify this: in China, there is a very similar switch being produced that is essentially a clone of the H1. HHHH created this switch first, and he wanted to make this clear to avoid any confusion.
it was an allegation against, presumably 43 studio, which was why they responded.
I don't see anything wrong if A called out B, and B comes out to defend himself.
Post by: quad_h on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:36:58
Hello guys,43 studio there.
Recently, there are lot of friend tells me that there is a switch on Geekhack that is very similar to my obsidian switch, I read the post and I will respond to the following points:
First of all, the accusation of plagiarism H1 switch.I got the idea to make an extremely smooth switch just like vintage MX black at October the 2019 when I were loving using vintage black switches .To achieve this.I place the order with some new technology to jwick in the end of October 2019.
And I got my sample at Nov.28,Share them with my trusted friend,earlier then HHHH got the sample.
At January of 2020,I Sold some test Pack,and begin Group buy from jan.14 to Feb.14
HHHH is everything later then my obsidian switch ,and you just accuse me of plagiarizing your switch? Plz tell me how can I stealing your ideas?
About the clone.This two switch have significant difference,obsidian using 62cn Black spring,and the custom build switch tops with a side engraved 43 studio logo.
The following are some evidence screenshot and links:
1. The picture I got sample and share with my friend(Nov.28)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BlEiBK1.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/h4A5lGr.jpg)
2. My IC post in Zfrontier(A famous Chinese form):
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/18102
I hope you will respond one by one to what I said above,I have relevant legal documents, if necessary, can be litigated;
(https://i.imgur.com/QYDDvJR.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/rh2hSfY.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/D7ocJTm.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ftGL0Sm.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/v5Y8IKF.png)
The original plan was 67 grams, but it was changed to 78 grams. To resemble a cherry's black axis
My Chinese and English skills are terrible, so I ask for your understanding first.
1.
Your first thought is from 2019 to October.
My first thought is August, 2019.
2.
I may have received the sample later than you because I am in Korea,
but the day when the factory delivered it to me was November 11.
And I sold some sample switches in my Korea store. That's November 26th.
The final switch, not the sample, was launched on January 6 in Korea.
3.
I did not make my own mold and prepared using existing mold.
JWK told me Your switch said the logo is on the top shell ?? ( anyway ) and some of the materials are different.
but As stated in the previous article, I didn't want to add to the confusion.
Nevertheless, many people asked if it was like your switch.
I have been discussing with vendors and testing switches for GB for a long time.
The idea of you and I was very perfect.
It can be seen as the destination that everyone wants.
It doesn't matter who thought first or who made it. But I think that based on Cherry switch is not a monopoly.
I am not good at English, so my foreign friend is helping me.
This process may have been misplaced. Please excuse me. I never meant to blame you.
I really wanted to get off the hook. in some suspicious people.
I hope we can prepare a good switch together next time.
Post by: raptorzoz on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:37:23
Hello guys,43 studio there.
Recently, there are lot of friend tells me that there is a switch on Geekhack that is very similar to my obsidian switch, I read the post and I will respond to the following points:
First of all, the accusation of plagiarism H1 switch.I got the idea to make an extremely smooth switch just like vintage MX black at October the 2019 when I were loving using vintage black switches .To achieve this.I place the order with some new technology to jwick in the end of October 2019.
And I got my sample at Nov.28,Share them with my trusted friend,earlier then HHHH got the sample.
At January of 2020,I Sold some test Pack,and begin Group buy from jan.14 to Feb.14
HHHH is everything later then my obsidian switch ,and you just accuse me of plagiarizing your switch? Plz tell me how can I stealing your ideas?
About the clone.This two switch have significant difference,obsidian using 62cn Black spring,and the custom build switch tops with a side engraved 43 studio logo.
The following are some evidence screenshot and links:
1. The picture I got sample and share with my friend(Nov.28)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BlEiBK1.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/h4A5lGr.jpg)
2. My IC post in Zfrontier(A famous Chinese form):
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/18102
I hope you will respond one by one to what I said above,I have relevant legal documents, if necessary, can be litigated;
dude, you're literally copying a switch (cherry mx black), which isn't exactly a distinct colourway, and then when somebody else makes a black switch you complain, get outta here... If you're salty about it just run your own parallel GBQuoteHHHH wanted me to clarify this: in China, there is a very similar switch being produced that is essentially a clone of the H1. HHHH created this switch first, and he wanted to make this clear to avoid any confusion.
it was an allegation against, presumably 43 studio, which was why they responded.
I don't see anything wrong if A called out B, and B comes out to defend himself.
ah ok I didnt see that, both are ridiculous.
Post by: lolpes on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:37:26
which in itself looks either blatantly naive or the pictures are fabrications, not that it is, but come on....
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:42:20
Post by: senryo on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:42:35
what i find funny is how the accuser has pictures in messenger of him saying to someone "DON'T LEAK THIS". How the hell do you trust someone enough to share something, but then you feel the need to prevent them from leaking it?
which in itself looks either blatantly naive or the pictures are fabrications, not that it is, but come on....
It's more of a insurance for oneself. Like when you're handling something off the book and has yet to get to the surface, you wouldn't want it to get exposed anywhere before you planned for it.
Not that saying that will help prevent the matter, but the fact that you did say it and can screen capture it later on to use it against whomever exposed the material makes your words more reliable. Cases like this is when the chat history can come to play.
Post by: nickaster1 on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:43:26
Post by: ThereminGoat on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:44:22
So the whole story essentially is just 43 got upset over HHHH saying how he came up with the idea first, but it was based on the mold of the supposed-came-about-later-on obsidian switches of 43. Is it just me losing track or there are some inconsistencies here?
Give me a week or two and hopefully I will be able to parse this out into a review/update on the drama. Aside obtaining switch sample I am also talking with some of the parties involved in one capacity or another.
Post by: nickaster1 on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:46:08
Pming you on discordSo the whole story essentially is just 43 got upset over HHHH saying how he came up with the idea first, but it was based on the mold of the supposed-came-about-later-on obsidian switches of 43. Is it just me losing track or there are some inconsistencies here?
Give me a week or two and hopefully I will be able to parse this out into a review/update on the drama. Aside obtaining switch sample I am also talking with some of the parties involved in one capacity or another.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:46:14
Def interested in outcome. I'd like to try one of these switches. LolSo the whole story essentially is just 43 got upset over HHHH saying how he came up with the idea first, but it was based on the mold of the supposed-came-about-later-on obsidian switches of 43. Is it just me losing track or there are some inconsistencies here?
Give me a week or two and hopefully I will be able to parse this out into a review/update on the drama. Aside obtaining switch sample I am also talking with some of the parties involved in one capacity or another.
Post by: quad_h on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:50:17
So the whole story essentially is just 43 got upset over HHHH saying how he came up with the idea first, but it was based on the mold of the supposed-came-about-later-on obsidian switches of 43. Is it just me losing track or there are some inconsistencies here?
I don't know the circumstances of JWK.
My final switch has no logo at switch
This will be a difference from his switch.
Anyway, I just want to say that I didn't steal his idea and It is that it has been prepared from the past.
Post by: eniigma on Sat, 22 February 2020, 11:27:17
So the whole story essentially is just 43 got upset over HHHH saying how he came up with the idea first, but it was based on the mold of the supposed-came-about-later-on obsidian switches of 43. Is it just me losing track or there are some inconsistencies here?
So clearly, I was not fully aware of what was going on hear, and due to the language barrier, ocassional inaccuracies were spread.
Here's what I've learned after hearing from both parties:
43 thinks he had the idea first, gave screenshots from October.
HHHH shows he had the idea first, gave screenshots from August.
Based on that, logically speaking, the molds used for the H1 switch are NOT modified molds from the Obsidian switch. Additionally, the Obsidian switch has a logo while the H1 switch is unbranded. HHHH has reached out to JWK, and is pending a response.
Also, based on what I've been able to piece together, the H1 and Obsidian samples may have came from the same mold, but in the end, 43 created his own molds. I'm still not 100% certain on this, so keep that in mind.
At this point, I'm not even certain that the Obsidian switch and H1 uses the same molds, and I suspect I won't be certain until I can get my hands on some and compare side-by-side. I will keep everyone updated, but based on the information above, I think it's clear that HHHH had the idea for a modern take on vintage blacks before 43 did, and a litigation would be utterly pointless.
EDIT: As HHHH puts it, similar switches can and should coexist. Similar molds are entirely possible; especially since both parties were after a switch that felt similar to vintage blacks.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 22 February 2020, 11:30:26
This sounds about right.So the whole story essentially is just 43 got upset over HHHH saying how he came up with the idea first, but it was based on the mold of the supposed-came-about-later-on obsidian switches of 43. Is it just me losing track or there are some inconsistencies here?
So clearly, I was not fully aware of what was going on hear, and due to the language barrier, ocassional inaccuracies were spread.
Here's what I've learned after hearing from both parties:
43 thinks he had the idea first, gave screenshots from October.
HHHH shows he had the idea first, gave screenshots from August.
Based on that, logically speaking, the molds used for the H1 switch are NOT modified molds from the Obsidian switch. Additionally, the Obsidian switch has a logo while the H1 switch is unbranded. HHHH has reached out to JWK, and is pending a response.
At this point, I'm not even certain that the Obsidian switch and H1 uses the same molds, and I suspect I won't be certain until I can get my hands on some and compare side-by-side. I will keep everyone updated, but based on the information above, I think it's clear that HHHH had the idea for a modern take on vintage blacks before 43 did, and a litigation would be utterly pointless.
Post by: nickaster1 on Sat, 22 February 2020, 11:31:45
All of this just makes me want to try the switches more. Good to knowSo the whole story essentially is just 43 got upset over HHHH saying how he came up with the idea first, but it was based on the mold of the supposed-came-about-later-on obsidian switches of 43. Is it just me losing track or there are some inconsistencies here?
So clearly, I was not fully aware of what was going on hear, and due to the language barrier, ocassional inaccuracies were spread.
Here's what I've learned after hearing from both parties:
43 thinks he had the idea first, gave screenshots from October.
HHHH shows he had the idea first, gave screenshots from August.
Based on that, logically speaking, the molds used for the H1 switch are NOT modified molds from the Obsidian switch. Additionally, the Obsidian switch has a logo while the H1 switch is unbranded. HHHH has reached out to JWK, and is pending a response.
At this point, I'm not even certain that the Obsidian switch and H1 uses the same molds, and I suspect I won't be certain until I can get my hands on some and compare side-by-side. I will keep everyone updated, but based on the information above, I think it's clear that HHHH had the idea for a modern take on vintage blacks before 43 did, and a litigation would be utterly pointless.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 22 February 2020, 11:34:06
Haha. Right? Nothing like a little drama behind a switch.All of this just makes me want to try the switches more. Good to knowSo the whole story essentially is just 43 got upset over HHHH saying how he came up with the idea first, but it was based on the mold of the supposed-came-about-later-on obsidian switches of 43. Is it just me losing track or there are some inconsistencies here?
So clearly, I was not fully aware of what was going on hear, and due to the language barrier, ocassional inaccuracies were spread.
Here's what I've learned after hearing from both parties:
43 thinks he had the idea first, gave screenshots from October.
HHHH shows he had the idea first, gave screenshots from August.
Based on that, logically speaking, the molds used for the H1 switch are NOT modified molds from the Obsidian switch. Additionally, the Obsidian switch has a logo while the H1 switch is unbranded. HHHH has reached out to JWK, and is pending a response.
At this point, I'm not even certain that the Obsidian switch and H1 uses the same molds, and I suspect I won't be certain until I can get my hands on some and compare side-by-side. I will keep everyone updated, but based on the information above, I think it's clear that HHHH had the idea for a modern take on vintage blacks before 43 did, and a litigation would be utterly pointless.
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 22 February 2020, 13:15:52
Post by: Wolframme on Sat, 22 February 2020, 21:42:49
It doesn't matter who thought first or who made it. But I think that based on Cherry switch is not a monopoly.
Not sure if this is what he meant by monopoly, but its a good point that Cherry MX designed switches are not a monopoly anymore.
Threatening litigation towards someone for making another Cherry MX switch design isn't logical because the patent is out the window. Threatening litigation for a design that is not patented that is based on another design that had its patent expire is a little absurd.
Either way, I'll be looking forward to these switches.
Post by: walie on Sat, 22 February 2020, 23:15:27
Post by: keyberzerker on Sun, 23 February 2020, 04:33:46
Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
^ this
Post by: wholypantalones on Sun, 23 February 2020, 06:20:36
Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
Right on the nose on that one.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 23 February 2020, 07:05:37
Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.I do love my alpacas.
Post by: bobgr8 on Sun, 23 February 2020, 08:09:40
Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.Sounds right. I do love my alpacas.
Any idea when are they coming back in stock? Hopefully durock will start selling them on Aliexpress as well
Post by: eniigma on Sun, 23 February 2020, 08:20:53
Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.Let's not jump to conclusions.
Post by: Sup on Sun, 23 February 2020, 08:38:35
Post by: self on Sun, 23 February 2020, 09:13:03
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Post by: ThereminGoat on Sun, 23 February 2020, 10:42:05
Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 23 February 2020, 10:56:51
Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
Post by: Slayer77 on Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:07:19
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Post by: funderburker on Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:15:28
Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:20:47
I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Post by: juaninamilli on Sun, 23 February 2020, 12:00:45
Post by: eniigma on Sun, 23 February 2020, 12:43:30
Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 23 February 2020, 13:17:41
Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
Post by: eniigma on Sun, 23 February 2020, 13:23:24
Two vendors bickering and pointing fingers like children is pretty off-putting. Makes me have less interest in this interest check.
For those of you who want a summarization of the drama, this writeup by ThereminGoat is pretty damn good.Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19vudiIkgDdTeVF2jK9Oti5nZNMMFFrQ3/view
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 23 February 2020, 13:24:34
Thanks! Will give it a read.Two vendors bickering and pointing fingers like children is pretty off-putting. Makes me have less interest in this interest check.For those of you who want a summarization of the drama, this writeup by ThereminGoat is pretty damn good.Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19vudiIkgDdTeVF2jK9Oti5nZNMMFFrQ3/view
Post by: Nevermore012 on Sun, 23 February 2020, 22:11:14
nice, I am ready for the GB.Two vendors bickering and pointing fingers like children is pretty off-putting. Makes me have less interest in this interest check.For those of you who want a summarization of the drama, this writeup by ThereminGoat is pretty damn good.Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19vudiIkgDdTeVF2jK9Oti5nZNMMFFrQ3/view
Post by: nickaster1 on Sun, 23 February 2020, 22:25:22
Apart from the throwing shades at each other, this hectic of a thread successfully gave each team some massive hype for their switches. Good or bad, the switches are going to be sought after from here on out. Good marketing it isTwo vendors bickering and pointing fingers like children is pretty off-putting. Makes me have less interest in this interest check.For those of you who want a summarization of the drama, this writeup by ThereminGoat is pretty damn good.Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19vudiIkgDdTeVF2jK9Oti5nZNMMFFrQ3/view
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 23 February 2020, 22:26:06
Wait til they televise the knife fight!Apart from the throwing shades at each other, this hectic of a thread successfully gave each team some massive hype for their switches. Good or bad, the switches are going to be sought after from here on out. Good marketing it isTwo vendors bickering and pointing fingers like children is pretty off-putting. Makes me have less interest in this interest check.For those of you who want a summarization of the drama, this writeup by ThereminGoat is pretty damn good.Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19vudiIkgDdTeVF2jK9Oti5nZNMMFFrQ3/view
Post by: juaninamilli on Sun, 23 February 2020, 22:37:23
TBH... at the end of all this “marketing” is a company profiting off of the community. A company who blatantly copied another manufacturer’s product and even went as far as to put the other company’s logo on it. I’m not telling people how to spend their money, but this drama reminded me of all that... and regardless of how good the switch is... they won’t be getting any of my money.Apart from the throwing shades at each other, this hectic of a thread successfully gave each team some massive hype for their switches. Good or bad, the switches are going to be sought after from here on out. Good marketing it isTwo vendors bickering and pointing fingers like children is pretty off-putting. Makes me have less interest in this interest check.For those of you who want a summarization of the drama, this writeup by ThereminGoat is pretty damn good.Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19vudiIkgDdTeVF2jK9Oti5nZNMMFFrQ3/view
Post by: goddream on Mon, 24 February 2020, 01:05:31
From what I can see from HHHH's posts, he was trying to clear the air that there is also a concurrently running switch (Obsidian Switches), of a very similar nature - he wanted to preempt any sort of 'clone' accusation, by saying that yes there is a also a vint remake being run in china, but his is not a clone of 43 studios as he actually 'came up with the idea first', and they also use different molds.
Am i crazy? Is this not the reality of the situation? He even comes out and says 'I never meant to blame you', amd 'I just wanted to say I didn't steal this idea'.
smh you guys
Post by: Slayer77 on Mon, 24 February 2020, 02:47:41
It's ridiculous how you are butthurt over a possible misunderstanding. They are not original switches anyway, they are trying to mimick a switch.TBH... at the end of all this “marketing” is a company profiting off of the community. A company who blatantly copied another manufacturer’s product and even went as far as to put the other company’s logo on it. I’m not telling people how to spend their money, but this drama reminded me of all that... and regardless of how good the switch is... they won’t be getting any of my money.Apart from the throwing shades at each other, this hectic of a thread successfully gave each team some massive hype for their switches. Good or bad, the switches are going to be sought after from here on out. Good marketing it isTwo vendors bickering and pointing fingers like children is pretty off-putting. Makes me have less interest in this interest check.For those of you who want a summarization of the drama, this writeup by ThereminGoat is pretty damn good.Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19vudiIkgDdTeVF2jK9Oti5nZNMMFFrQ3/view
Sent from my GM1911 using Tapatalk
Post by: nickaster1 on Mon, 24 February 2020, 03:08:56
Since Cherry’s patent expired quite some time ago, his comment just shows that he doesn’t understand how a free market functionIt's ridiculous how you are butthurt over a possible misunderstanding. They are not original switches anyway, they are trying to mimick a switch.TBH... at the end of all this “marketing” is a company profiting off of the community. A company who blatantly copied another manufacturer’s product and even went as far as to put the other company’s logo on it. I’m not telling people how to spend their money, but this drama reminded me of all that... and regardless of how good the switch is... they won’t be getting any of my money.Apart from the throwing shades at each other, this hectic of a thread successfully gave each team some massive hype for their switches. Good or bad, the switches are going to be sought after from here on out. Good marketing it isTwo vendors bickering and pointing fingers like children is pretty off-putting. Makes me have less interest in this interest check.For those of you who want a summarization of the drama, this writeup by ThereminGoat is pretty damn good.Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19vudiIkgDdTeVF2jK9Oti5nZNMMFFrQ3/view
Sent from my GM1911 using Tapatalk
Post by: Slayer77 on Mon, 24 February 2020, 03:16:59
Yeah, he is just being silly.Since Cherry’s patent expired quite some time ago, his comment just shows that he doesn’t understand how a free market functionIt's ridiculous how you are butthurt over a possible misunderstanding. They are not original switches anyway, they are trying to mimick a switch.TBH... at the end of all this “marketing” is a company profiting off of the community. A company who blatantly copied another manufacturer’s product and even went as far as to put the other company’s logo on it. I’m not telling people how to spend their money, but this drama reminded me of all that... and regardless of how good the switch is... they won’t be getting any of my money.Apart from the throwing shades at each other, this hectic of a thread successfully gave each team some massive hype for their switches. Good or bad, the switches are going to be sought after from here on out. Good marketing it isTwo vendors bickering and pointing fingers like children is pretty off-putting. Makes me have less interest in this interest check.For those of you who want a summarization of the drama, this writeup by ThereminGoat is pretty damn good.Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19vudiIkgDdTeVF2jK9Oti5nZNMMFFrQ3/view
Sent from my GM1911 using Tapatalk
Sent from my GM1911 using Tapatalk
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 24 February 2020, 03:19:39
Is there actually any drama here? It looks to me that this is all just a misunderstanding arising from misinterpretations and poor translations.Right. From what it sounds like, the other guy thinks hhhh did steal his idea and it is a clone of his. Or just that he thinks thats what hhhh is saying to people. But yes, it's all rather silly.
From what I can see from HHHH's posts, he was trying to clear the air that there is also a concurrently running switch (Obsidian Switches), of a very similar nature - he wanted to preempt any sort of 'clone' accusation, by saying that yes there is a also a vint remake being run in china, but his is not a clone of 43 studios as he actually 'came up with the idea first', and they also use different molds.
Am i crazy? Is this not the reality of the situation? He even comes out and says 'I never meant to blame you', amd 'I just wanted to say I didn't steal this idea'.
smh you guys
Post by: 43studio on Mon, 24 February 2020, 03:30:44
And what I want to express is: black is a very common color, there is no plagiarism, there is no I plagiarize you or you plagiarize me, but you say Obsidian plagiarizes H1.
I also found JWk these days. The official reply given there is: Obsidian and H1 are two different products. There is no plagiarism. It happens that the color is the same.
It should have been a misunderstanding. I apologized for the extreme words before. My English is not good, so there are some misunderstandings in some places. I apologize again for that. I hope you can get rid of that sentence. ‘HHHH wanted me to clarify this: in China, there is a very similar switch being produced that is essentially a clone of the H1. HHHH created this switch first, and he wanted to make this clear to avoid any confusion. ’
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 24 February 2020, 03:38:00
Post by: Slayer77 on Mon, 24 February 2020, 03:46:05
I responded positively because HHHH said this in the post. ‘HHHH wanted me to clarify this: in China, there is a very similar switch being produced that is essentially a clone of the H1. HHHH created this switch first, and he wanted to make this clear to avoid any confusion. ’Yes, we understand. It's all just a big misunderstanding at this point. Would love to get your switches outside China too!
And what I want to express is: black is a very common color, there is no plagiarism, there is no I plagiarize you or you plagiarize me, but you say Obsidian plagiarizes H1.
I also found JWk these days. The official reply given there is: Obsidian and H1 are two different products. There is no plagiarism. It happens that the color is the same.
It should have been a misunderstanding. I apologized for the extreme words before. My English is not good, so there are some misunderstandings in some places. I apologize again for that. I hope you can get rid of that sentence. ‘HHHH wanted me to clarify this: in China, there is a very similar switch being produced that is essentially a clone of the H1. HHHH created this switch first, and he wanted to make this clear to avoid any confusion. ’
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Post by: juaninamilli on Mon, 24 February 2020, 07:18:49
Haha. I can to spend my money however I’d like. I’m not butt hurt. How exactly does it affect you, if I choose not to give my money to a company that made fake zeal switches?It's ridiculous how you are butthurt over a possible misunderstanding. They are not original switches anyway, they are trying to mimick a switch.TBH... at the end of all this “marketing” is a company profiting off of the community. A company who blatantly copied another manufacturer’s product and even went as far as to put the other company’s logo on it. I’m not telling people how to spend their money, but this drama reminded me of all that... and regardless of how good the switch is... they won’t be getting any of my money.Apart from the throwing shades at each other, this hectic of a thread successfully gave each team some massive hype for their switches. Good or bad, the switches are going to be sought after from here on out. Good marketing it isTwo vendors bickering and pointing fingers like children is pretty off-putting. Makes me have less interest in this interest check.For those of you who want a summarization of the drama, this writeup by ThereminGoat is pretty damn good.Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19vudiIkgDdTeVF2jK9Oti5nZNMMFFrQ3/view
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Post by: juaninamilli on Mon, 24 February 2020, 07:22:09
Not talking about cherry. Look up stealios. I’m perfectly aware of the expired cherry patent and free market.Since Cherry’s patent expired quite some time ago, his comment just shows that he doesn’t understand how a free market functionIt's ridiculous how you are butthurt over a possible misunderstanding. They are not original switches anyway, they are trying to mimick a switch.TBH... at the end of all this “marketing” is a company profiting off of the community. A company who blatantly copied another manufacturer’s product and even went as far as to put the other company’s logo on it. I’m not telling people how to spend their money, but this drama reminded me of all that... and regardless of how good the switch is... they won’t be getting any of my money.Apart from the throwing shades at each other, this hectic of a thread successfully gave each team some massive hype for their switches. Good or bad, the switches are going to be sought after from here on out. Good marketing it isTwo vendors bickering and pointing fingers like children is pretty off-putting. Makes me have less interest in this interest check.For those of you who want a summarization of the drama, this writeup by ThereminGoat is pretty damn good.Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19vudiIkgDdTeVF2jK9Oti5nZNMMFFrQ3/view
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Post by: Slayer77 on Mon, 24 February 2020, 07:35:44
I am perfectly aware of stealios. That's different, they were knockoffs, this on the other hand is a different case.Not talking about cherry. Look up stealios. I’m perfectly aware of the expired cherry patent and free market.Since Cherry’s patent expired quite some time ago, his comment just shows that he doesn’t understand how a free market functionIt's ridiculous how you are butthurt over a possible misunderstanding. They are not original switches anyway, they are trying to mimick a switch.TBH... at the end of all this “marketing” is a company profiting off of the community. A company who blatantly copied another manufacturer’s product and even went as far as to put the other company’s logo on it. I’m not telling people how to spend their money, but this drama reminded me of all that... and regardless of how good the switch is... they won’t be getting any of my money.Apart from the throwing shades at each other, this hectic of a thread successfully gave each team some massive hype for their switches. Good or bad, the switches are going to be sought after from here on out. Good marketing it isTwo vendors bickering and pointing fingers like children is pretty off-putting. Makes me have less interest in this interest check.For those of you who want a summarization of the drama, this writeup by ThereminGoat is pretty damn good.Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19vudiIkgDdTeVF2jK9Oti5nZNMMFFrQ3/view
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Post by: juaninamilli on Mon, 24 February 2020, 07:40:50
I am perfectly aware of stealios. That's different, they were knockoffs, this on the other hand is a different case.Not talking about cherry. Look up stealios. I’m perfectly aware of the expired cherry patent and free market.Since Cherry’s patent expired quite some time ago, his comment just shows that he doesn’t understand how a free market functionIt's ridiculous how you are butthurt over a possible misunderstanding. They are not original switches anyway, they are trying to mimick a switch.TBH... at the end of all this “marketing” is a company profiting off of the community. A company who blatantly copied another manufacturer’s product and even went as far as to put the other company’s logo on it. I’m not telling people how to spend their money, but this drama reminded me of all that... and regardless of how good the switch is... they won’t be getting any of my money.Apart from the throwing shades at each other, this hectic of a thread successfully gave each team some massive hype for their switches. Good or bad, the switches are going to be sought after from here on out. Good marketing it isTwo vendors bickering and pointing fingers like children is pretty off-putting. Makes me have less interest in this interest check.For those of you who want a summarization of the drama, this writeup by ThereminGoat is pretty damn good.Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19vudiIkgDdTeVF2jK9Oti5nZNMMFFrQ3/view
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If you’re not going to bother reading my original statement properly... please stop replying to it.
Post by: chits on Mon, 24 February 2020, 08:25:55
Post by: tanvir175 on Mon, 24 February 2020, 14:57:46
I am perfectly aware of stealios. That's different, they were knockoffs, this on the other hand is a different case.Not talking about cherry. Look up stealios. I’m perfectly aware of the expired cherry patent and free market.Since Cherry’s patent expired quite some time ago, his comment just shows that he doesn’t understand how a free market functionIt's ridiculous how you are butthurt over a possible misunderstanding. They are not original switches anyway, they are trying to mimick a switch.TBH... at the end of all this “marketing” is a company profiting off of the community. A company who blatantly copied another manufacturer’s product and even went as far as to put the other company’s logo on it. I’m not telling people how to spend their money, but this drama reminded me of all that... and regardless of how good the switch is... they won’t be getting any of my money.Apart from the throwing shades at each other, this hectic of a thread successfully gave each team some massive hype for their switches. Good or bad, the switches are going to be sought after from here on out. Good marketing it isTwo vendors bickering and pointing fingers like children is pretty off-putting. Makes me have less interest in this interest check.For those of you who want a summarization of the drama, this writeup by ThereminGoat is pretty damn good.Right. Just meant it's been massively overshadowed by all kinds of claims. Some unanswered.Not sure what other info you're looking for, the point of this thread is to ask questions and nearly every one has been answered.I mean to be fair, their drama kind of trashed the thread to start with. Very little info has been given outside of this drama. With a general statement of we're waiting. It was inevitable it'd head this route. Probably worth closing this thread til they sort it out, or stuff is ready to go (or at least closer).Sounds like this guy is a spy!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
Please, either try ****posting harder or learn about your switches more before you try and stir the pot.
And y'all stay on topic. It's an interest check for an upcoming product, not a ****posting thread.
People, don't trash the thread with useless posts. We've heard from both parties involved in the "drama" (of which I don't see none) and it's just a new switch, made to be similar to a vintage MX Black. Nothing new or original. These are just plastic/metal pieces so there's no need to stir up a conspiracy theory about it.
On a side note:
Waiting on an official announcement when GB is happening as I'm interested in these as well.
Will be changing out the springs and probably doing switch films, lubing'em as well. Love the sound signature and the clean look!
Finally, no weird colour combos that are meant to match a keyset or smth...
Don't get me wrong. I'm def still interested. But the thread is a mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19vudiIkgDdTeVF2jK9Oti5nZNMMFFrQ3/view
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If you’re not going to bother reading my original statement properly... please stop replying to it.
Don't mind me. I'm just here to keep the quote train going.
Post by: Ahngel on Mon, 24 February 2020, 15:03:52
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 24 February 2020, 15:09:59
Nice. An all black alpaca clone. I've been waiting for a ninja switch. Wish we could try those obsidians since they are a custom mold and are different but alpacas are great switches and the new standard for linears. Just price them like all the other clones! $.55!
Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.PSA: this isn't a recolored alpaca.
Post by: Slayer77 on Mon, 24 February 2020, 15:30:56
Yes, we are aware. Guess he couldn't even read through the interest check.Nice. An all black alpaca clone. I've been waiting for a ninja switch. Wish we could try those obsidians since they are a custom mold and are different but alpacas are great switches and the new standard for linears. Just price them like all the other clones! $.55!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.PSA: this isn't a recolored alpaca.
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Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:12:48
Post by: delrn on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:26:08
Haha. This threadIt’s even more of a trainwreck than the Olivia++ one
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Post by: ttom on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:27:52
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 24 February 2020, 17:06:47
is there an eta on production being finished / shipping?The production and shipping will happen after the group buy
Post by: ttom on Mon, 24 February 2020, 17:14:23
is there an eta on production being finished / shipping?The production and shipping will happen after the group buy
ah, for whatever reason I thought they were in production already.
Post by: cryworm on Mon, 24 February 2020, 17:44:47
Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
I understand that these H1 switches aren't really Alpaca CLONES because they are not made from the exact same molds and because Durock is not involved in the making of them. But my question is: how exactly do they differ? Alpacas are also nylon bottom, PolyCarb top, and POM stems made by JWK. This is in direct contradiction to your second point stating that the materials between the two are different. It seems the differences between the H1s and Alpacas is the "thicker" top housing (which is very intriguing to me) and spring weight. Is there any other big differentiation between the two?
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 24 February 2020, 17:57:23
H1s are polyamide bottom. Not exactly nylonLooks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
I understand that these H1 switches aren't really Alpaca CLONES because they are not made from the exact same molds and because Durock is not involved in the making of them. But my question is: how exactly do they differ? Alpacas are also nylon bottom, PolyCarb top, and POM stems made by JWK. This is in direct contradiction to your second point stating that the materials between the two are different. It seems the differences between the H1s and Alpacas is the "thicker" top housing (which is very intriguing to me) and spring weight. Is there any other big differentiation between the two?
Post by: ThereminGoat on Mon, 24 February 2020, 18:51:59
Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
I understand that these H1 switches aren't really Alpaca CLONES because they are not made from the exact same molds and because Durock is not involved in the making of them. But my question is: how exactly do they differ? Alpacas are also nylon bottom, PolyCarb top, and POM stems made by JWK. This is in direct contradiction to your second point stating that the materials between the two are different. It seems the differences between the H1s and Alpacas is the "thicker" top housing (which is very intriguing to me) and spring weight. Is there any other big differentiation between the two?
If you refer to my linked writeup from Eniigma I explain that not all polyamides are Nylon whereas Nylon is the family name for a specific class of polyamides. They are different.
Post by: dyka.tran on Mon, 24 February 2020, 21:35:17
Yes, I will.
- How much do I want?
Cheaper than switches with the same specs on the market would be nice.
- Anything else?
No factory lube please.
I just want to show eniigma and HHHH my idea for this IC because some people here are busy pointing to each other like a more ridiculous version of some Phoenix Wright game.
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 24 February 2020, 21:44:20
- Will I buy this switch?I mean including the creators XD
Yes, I will.
- How much do I want?
Cheaper than switches with the same specs on the market would be nice.
- Anything else?
No factory lube please.
I just want to show eniigma and HHHH my idea for this IC because some people here are busy pointing to each other like a more ridiculous version of some Phoenix Wright game.
Post by: dyka.tran on Mon, 24 February 2020, 22:42:12
I mean including the creators XDOne bunch of thic-thock linear switches with no drama, please :'(
Post by: cryworm on Tue, 25 February 2020, 00:44:09
Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
I understand that these H1 switches aren't really Alpaca CLONES because they are not made from the exact same molds and because Durock is not involved in the making of them. But my question is: how exactly do they differ? Alpacas are also nylon bottom, PolyCarb top, and POM stems made by JWK. This is in direct contradiction to your second point stating that the materials between the two are different. It seems the differences between the H1s and Alpacas is the "thicker" top housing (which is very intriguing to me) and spring weight. Is there any other big differentiation between the two?
If you refer to my linked writeup from Eniigma I explain that not all polyamides are Nylon whereas Nylon is the family name for a specific class of polyamides. They are different.
H1s are polyamide bottom. Not exactly nylonLooks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.
I'd just like to point out that this is officially the dumbest comment in this entire thread and if anyone surpasses it, it is through sheer will of force.
First of all, Alpacas are Durock property and are only made at JWK. Neither the H1 nor Obsidians are made under Durock's sphere. Secondly, both of these switches feature different housing materials than each other as well as Alpacas. Third, Alpacas are not the first nor the flagship Durock product, so the fact that you (and several other people) are claiming that things are "Alpaca-clones" is wrong both in timeline and understanding. Fourth, both HHHH and 43 bought samples of these pieces from JWK prior to actually committing on them, ergo they clearly were aware these were not Alpaca switches. Fifth, this list is starting to get annoying. And finally (#6), 43 Studios has pointed out that he has custom engraving on his top housing that the Alpacas nor the HHHH's have.
I understand that these H1 switches aren't really Alpaca CLONES because they are not made from the exact same molds and because Durock is not involved in the making of them. But my question is: how exactly do they differ? Alpacas are also nylon bottom, PolyCarb top, and POM stems made by JWK. This is in direct contradiction to your second point stating that the materials between the two are different. It seems the differences between the H1s and Alpacas is the "thicker" top housing (which is very intriguing to me) and spring weight. Is there any other big differentiation between the two?
This is very interesting! Thank you both for the information. I will definitely be buying a batch of these switchess
Post by: senryo on Tue, 25 February 2020, 01:10:26
I mean including the creators XDOne bunch of thic-thock linear switches with no drama, please :'(
:-*
Post by: vsrnth on Tue, 25 February 2020, 04:10:40
Something in the range of 62-67g?
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Post by: dyka.tran on Tue, 25 February 2020, 04:23:23
Will switches with lesser spring weight be available?
Something in the range of 62-67g?
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Nope, HHHH wants to make a Vintage Black-like switch so 78gr is the only option now, but swapping springs by yourself isn't difficult, is it?
Post by: vsrnth on Tue, 25 February 2020, 04:24:59
I'll swap out the springs for sure, was just curious if there was going to be such an offering since a lot of people would be interested.Will switches with lesser spring weight be available?
Something in the range of 62-67g?
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Nope, HHHH wants to make a Vintage Black-like switch so 78gr is the only option now, but swapping springs by yourself isn't difficult, is it?
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Post by: lolpes on Tue, 25 February 2020, 04:56:21
Having said that i do have a board built with 120g springs on the mods....don't ask.
Post by: dyka.tran on Tue, 25 February 2020, 05:05:10
I'll swap out the springs for sure, was just curious if there was going to be such an offering since a lot of people would be interested.Will switches with lesser spring weight be available?
Something in the range of 62-67g?
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Nope, HHHH wants to make a Vintage Black-like switch so 78gr is the only option now, but swapping springs by yourself isn't difficult, is it?
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Post by: Ahngel on Tue, 25 February 2020, 08:21:29
Nice. An all black alpaca clone. I've been waiting for a ninja switch. Wish we could try those obsidians since they are a custom mold and are different but alpacas are great switches and the new standard for linears. Just price them like all the other clones! $.55!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.PSA: this isn't a recolored alpaca.
My bad lemme rephrase
Nice. An all black jwk clone. I've been waiting for a ninja switch. Wish we could try those obsidians since they are a custom mold and are different but jwks are great switches and the new standard for linears. Just price them like all the other clones! $.55!
Post by: datfroyodoe on Tue, 25 February 2020, 18:57:08
Me too. Spring swapping isn't difficult but I'm all for less wastage of parts.I'll swap out the springs for sure, was just curious if there was going to be such an offering since a lot of people would be interested.Will switches with lesser spring weight be available?
Something in the range of 62-67g?
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Nope, HHHH wants to make a Vintage Black-like switch so 78gr is the only option now, but swapping springs by yourself isn't difficult, is it?
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Post by: itskuroi on Tue, 25 February 2020, 19:12:43
Nice. An all black alpaca clone. I've been waiting for a ninja switch. Wish we could try those obsidians since they are a custom mold and are different but alpacas are great switches and the new standard for linears. Just price them like all the other clones! $.55!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.PSA: this isn't a recolored alpaca.
My bad lemme rephrase
Nice. An all black jwk clone. I've been waiting for a ninja switch. Wish we could try those obsidians since they are a custom mold and are different but jwks are great switches and the new standard for linears. Just price them like all the other clones! $.55!
how'd jwk clone itself
Post by: Gondolindrim on Tue, 25 February 2020, 19:59:20
Nice. An all black alpaca clone. I've been waiting for a ninja switch. Wish we could try those obsidians since they are a custom mold and are different but alpacas are great switches and the new standard for linears. Just price them like all the other clones! $.55!Looks to me JWK took both parties for a ride and gave them each a recoloured alpaca.PSA: this isn't a recolored alpaca.
My bad lemme rephrase
Nice. An all black jwk clone. I've been waiting for a ninja switch. Wish we could try those obsidians since they are a custom mold and are different but jwks are great switches and the new standard for linears. Just price them like all the other clones! $.55!
how'd jwk clone itself
I'd say a clone of oneself is a reproduction, but I digress
Post by: Slayer77 on Wed, 26 February 2020, 12:22:13
Yup, wouldn't mind a 67g spring as an option..I'll swap out the springs for sure, was just curious if there was going to be such an offering since a lot of people would be interested.Will switches with lesser spring weight be available?
Something in the range of 62-67g?
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Nope, HHHH wants to make a Vintage Black-like switch so 78gr is the only option now, but swapping springs by yourself isn't difficult, is it?
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Post by: jrs on Wed, 26 February 2020, 13:12:01
Post by: Rozalin81 on Wed, 26 February 2020, 13:16:31
Post by: jedidood on Thu, 27 February 2020, 02:28:07
Post by: Koniotaur on Thu, 27 February 2020, 08:07:43
Post by: quad_h on Sat, 29 February 2020, 04:07:51
Hello guys,43 studio there.
Recently, there are lot of friend tells me that there is a switch on Geekhack that is very similar to my obsidian switch, I read the post and I will respond to the following points:
First of all, the accusation of plagiarism H1 switch.I got the idea to make an extremely smooth switch just like vintage MX black at October the 2019 when I were loving using vintage black switches .To achieve this.I place the order with some new technology to jwick in the end of October 2019.
And I got my sample at Nov.28,Share them with my trusted friend,earlier then HHHH got the sample.
At January of 2020,I Sold some test Pack,and begin Group buy from jan.14 to Feb.14
HHHH is everything later then my obsidian switch ,and you just accuse me of plagiarizing your switch? Plz tell me how can I stealing your ideas?
About the clone.This two switch have significant difference,obsidian using 62cn Black spring,and the custom build switch tops with a side engraved 43 studio logo.
The following are some evidence screenshot and links:
1. The picture I got sample and share with my friend(Nov.28)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BlEiBK1.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/h4A5lGr.jpg)
2. My IC post in Zfrontier(A famous Chinese form):
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/18102
I hope you will respond one by one to what I said above,I have relevant legal documents, if necessary, can be litigated;
(https://i.imgur.com/eRWL3Ux.jpg)
This is JWK's official statement.
Our clientele, gh Forumid:43studio) and Quad_h(gh Forumid:quad_h), respectively, ordered obsidian and H1 in November 2019.
The two products are independent products, and there is no plagiarism, There is no case of copying ideas or plagiarizing works.
I also solved the misunderstanding with Studio 43 through JWK and decided to proceed if there is a chance to collaborate in the future.
The H1 switch will proceed as scheduled.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 29 February 2020, 06:48:52
Post by: self on Sat, 29 February 2020, 07:07:32
Waiting for the GB! :)
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Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 29 February 2020, 08:01:11
Post by: ChickenBear on Sat, 29 February 2020, 10:52:17
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 29 February 2020, 11:37:47
Can someone TLDR this drama lol
Basically quad_h & someone else both came up with the ideal to make an improved MX black & had samples made from JWK right around the same time. AFAIK quad_h & the other person never had any beef over it, it was just the people who knew of both switches throwing around accusations of whoever they supported having their design copied/stolen. Since then quad_h & the other party have talked & squashed any allegations of copying so both GBs will be going forward. I believe the Obsidian switch (other guy's switch) is supposed to be exclusive to Chinese & close Asian markets while the H1 switch (quad_h's switch) will be a world wide GB, but don't quote me on that though, as I'm not 100% sure that is the case.
Post by: dbeats824 on Sat, 29 February 2020, 15:37:03
Post by: vsrnth on Sat, 29 February 2020, 16:35:49
Do we have an update on if the switches will no longer be prelubed? I would much rather have the switches come unlubed from the factory and apply the lubing myself. Big deciding factor on if I participate in the GB or not.+1 for unlubed switches
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Post by: eniigma on Sat, 29 February 2020, 17:15:59
Do we have an update on if the switches will no longer be prelubed? I would much rather have the switches come unlubed from the factory and apply the lubing myself. Big deciding factor on if I participate in the GB or not.All of the vendors were satisfied with the menial amount of factory lube preapplied, so it will stay that way. We're trying to make this an option for new users, who may not want to lube their switches, and experienced users alike, and we think that the amount preapplied is a happy compromise.
Post by: Boy_314 on Sat, 29 February 2020, 17:25:32
Post by: eniigma on Sun, 01 March 2020, 18:04:59
Here is a typing test with the H1 switches, lubed with MCG 129, and with stock springs.
Post by: msting on Sun, 01 March 2020, 18:31:36
Vendor Announcement!
We've partnered with these amazing vendors to bring this switch to every corner of the world!
North America: Novelkeys
Europe: MyKeyboard
Asia: iLumKB
Oceania: DailyClack
My bad, it was camouflaged. ;)
Post by: CaptainVinceO2 on Sun, 01 March 2020, 19:39:02
Post by: Dreamre on Mon, 02 March 2020, 12:53:11
Interested in proxying for Canadians! DM'd on Discord :thumb:
Interested in this option!
Post by: cryworm on Mon, 02 March 2020, 13:13:19
Here's my typing test using these switches.
Here is a typing test with the H1 switches, lubed with MCG 129, and with stock springs.
They sound pretty good! I like the low pitch. Can you give us more details about this keyboard build this sound clip is from? It's pretty important to know what the material of the plate is at least.
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 02 March 2020, 13:42:53
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103574.0
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 02 March 2020, 21:27:28
Post by: o3okevin on Mon, 02 March 2020, 21:29:04
The Canada vendor has been announced! We're working with ApexKeyboards to bring the H1 switches to Canada!Poggers
Post by: GaNeBaL on Mon, 02 March 2020, 21:33:20
The Canada vendor has been announced! We're working with ApexKeyboards to bring the H1 switches to Canada!Let's GOOOOOOOO
Post by: CaptainVinceO2 on Mon, 02 March 2020, 22:20:28
Post by: jedidood on Mon, 02 March 2020, 23:33:23
The Canada vendor has been announced! We're working with ApexKeyboards to bring the H1 switches to Canada!Poggers
Cannot be more happier!!
Post by: noodleman on Tue, 03 March 2020, 08:36:49
Post by: Dreamre on Tue, 03 March 2020, 13:52:31
Happy to be proxying H1's for Canada :thumb: looking forward to checking out some samples.
YES! :-*
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 04 March 2020, 16:35:29
Some pretty major updates here.
This is now no longer going to be held as a group buy (with the exception of 1 vendor). The vendors will be purchasing a certain number of switches, and then they will be released into inventory as soon as they arrive. There are a good number of switches available, so you won't have to play switch FCFS.
ApexKeyboards of Canada will be hosting a preorder for the next couple weeks for the H1 switches, at the price of 8.75 CAD per 10. The preorders will be up tonight on https://www.apexkeyboards.ca/ and they will be for Canada only.
I know this is pretty significant for most of you, but myself, HHHH and the vendors think it will work best this way. It not only reduces risk on our (HHHH's) front, but it also ensures a quick and speedy delivery time. I can't give exact timelines just yet (especially with coronavirus) but the in-stock units will likely release in Q2 of 2020.
If you guys have any other questions, and want quicker updates, feel free to join the discord(s) below:
HHHH's discord: https://discord.gg/3ZZRRhX
My Discord: https://discord.gg/FbdVJbD
Post by: aslanxdeft on Wed, 04 March 2020, 19:10:08
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 04 March 2020, 19:27:07
Are the vendors gonna stay the same tho?Yes.
Post by: of_sam on Wed, 04 March 2020, 21:13:56
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 04 March 2020, 21:21:06
Was hoping for a better price point on these :/ what makes these more expensive than other durock switches?For starters, these aren't durock switches. They are modified molds, plus the money is being fronted, which means more risk on the vendor side.
Post by: kaladinpaladin on Wed, 04 March 2020, 21:22:36
Post by: quad_h on Wed, 04 March 2020, 22:15:54
If you convert that to usd. It's about 65 cents a switch which is the equivalent of creams and 10c more than other durocks. so really not all that much more for a custom version. Maybe the spring? And mold modifications are the reason?
Modification of mold is not the main reason.
There are many reasons such as delivery and import process.
Sorry. There were some errors in our communication.
The sale amount will be approximately six dollars per ten switch. ( excluding taxes from each country )
Sorry I didn't know what was going on with them.
Vendors have different price based on country import export.
Because may vary slightly depending on their situation.
Post by: YMwoo on Wed, 04 March 2020, 22:47:43
Modification of mold is not the main reason.Previously Eniigma told me to purchase it through group buy since you won't restock it locally.
There are many reasons such as delivery and import process.
Sorry. There were some errors in our communication.
The sale amount will be approximately six dollars per ten switch.
Eniigma will amend the amount stated.
Vendors have different price based on country import export.
Because may vary slightly depending on their situation.
But since it will be an in-stock only, does that mean I still need to get it from Asia proxy or can I expect you to restock it on your naver store?
Post by: quad_h on Wed, 04 March 2020, 22:51:01
Modification of mold is not the main reason.Previously Eniigma told me to purchase it through group buy since you won't restock it locally.
There are many reasons such as delivery and import process.
Sorry. There were some errors in our communication.
The sale amount will be approximately six dollars per ten switch.
Eniigma will amend the amount stated.
Vendors have different price based on country import export.
Because may vary slightly depending on their situation.
But since it will be an in-stock only, does that mean I still need to get it from Asia proxy or can I expect you to restock it on your naver store?
My main sales are in Korea.
Rather than rushing to re-entry into Korea, I decided to introduce it to overseas markets first.
I am not good at English. So I think there is a misunderstanding about communication with Eniigma.
Korea and other neighboring countries can buy it through me.
Post by: bobgr8 on Thu, 05 March 2020, 00:13:22
Post by: Slayer77 on Thu, 05 March 2020, 00:44:33
When can we get these?Q2, so expect May/June.
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Post by: Top Right Logo on Thu, 05 March 2020, 00:46:27
Post by: Slayer77 on Thu, 05 March 2020, 00:49:54
So south east Asia countries buy from you or ilumkb?Modification of mold is not the main reason.Previously Eniigma told me to purchase it through group buy since you won't restock it locally.
There are many reasons such as delivery and import process.
Sorry. There were some errors in our communication.
The sale amount will be approximately six dollars per ten switch.
Eniigma will amend the amount stated.
Vendors have different price based on country import export.
Because may vary slightly depending on their situation.
But since it will be an in-stock only, does that mean I still need to get it from Asia proxy or can I expect you to restock it on your naver store?
My main sales are in Korea.
Rather than rushing to re-entry into Korea, I decided to introduce it to overseas markets first.
I am not good at English. So I think there is a misunderstanding about communication with Eniigma.
Korea and other neighboring countries can buy it through me.
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Post by: Sup on Thu, 05 March 2020, 02:17:16
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 05 March 2020, 06:14:04
late March to early April actuallyWhen can we get these?Q2, so expect May/June.
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Post by: eniigma on Thu, 05 March 2020, 06:18:59
Any idea if mykeyboard.eu is gonna do a pre-order?
No; every vendor besides Apex will have an instock sale once the switches arrive
You can buy from either ilumkb or letsgetit.io (HHHH's store)So south east Asia countries buy from you or ilumkb?Modification of mold is not the main reason.Previously Eniigma told me to purchase it through group buy since you won't restock it locally.
There are many reasons such as delivery and import process.
Sorry. There were some errors in our communication.
The sale amount will be approximately six dollars per ten switch.
Eniigma will amend the amount stated.
Vendors have different price based on country import export.
Because may vary slightly depending on their situation.
But since it will be an in-stock only, does that mean I still need to get it from Asia proxy or can I expect you to restock it on your naver store?
My main sales are in Korea.
Rather than rushing to re-entry into Korea, I decided to introduce it to overseas markets first.
I am not good at English. So I think there is a misunderstanding about communication with Eniigma.
Korea and other neighboring countries can buy it through me.
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When can we get these?Late March to early April
Post by: jedidood on Thu, 05 March 2020, 11:46:06
One thing I am wondering, with these being prelubed, is there a need to lubed them again once we get them?
Post by: blitz on Thu, 05 March 2020, 12:11:19
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 05 March 2020, 12:20:13
This is perfect for me, just ordered them for my next build.I personally would lube any switch. Prelubed usually doesn't replace a solid lube job.
One thing I am wondering, with these being prelubed, is there a need to lubed them again once we get them?
Sorry if I missed it but is there a US vendor?Novelkeys
Post by: Slayer77 on Thu, 05 March 2020, 12:57:15
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Post by: eniigma on Thu, 05 March 2020, 13:41:12
Sorry if this is off topic, but what's the ash switch?Not sure; not affiliated with the H1 switch and should be kept out of this thread if possible. Try posting on the other sections of Geekhack for a better answer to that
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Post by: CaptainVinceO2 on Thu, 05 March 2020, 16:21:04
This is perfect for me, just ordered them for my next build.
One thing I am wondering, with these being prelubed, is there a need to lubed them again once we get them?
If you arn't satisfied or want to lube the swithces with lubes like Tribosys 3204 or Krytox 205g0 it would be a possbility.
Post by: Prelim on Fri, 06 March 2020, 04:16:29
Post by: delrn on Fri, 06 March 2020, 04:48:39
is this the same switch? I'm confused, the sound pitch just sucks on these H1 >:D >:DIt’s a tofu case tho lol
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Post by: lolpes on Fri, 06 March 2020, 07:31:25
The surprise here is the huge difference between these and the OP videos.
Would be interested in seeing some more unbiased videos.
To give some positives, i can't notice any scratchiness sound from the video, so for a stock switch at least that seems to be on the right track. But i guess this will become more aparent once i have them in hand.
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 06 March 2020, 08:46:44
Tofu case should not be the excuse, seen tons of builds with tofu cases that have decent sounds.
The surprise here is the huge difference between these and the OP videos.
Would be interested in seeing some more unbiased videos.
To give some positives, i can't notice any scratchiness sound from the video, so for a stock switch at least that seems to be on the right track. But i guess this will become more aparent once i have them in hand.
is this the same switch? I'm confused, the sound pitch just sucks on these H1 >:D >:D
Couple of things here going on.
Firstly, the switches don't appear to be lubed, and they sound pretty bad.
Secondly, his/her typing style seems to be pretty pecky, which might contribute to the higher sound profile.
Thirdly, we also don't know much about the audio recording setup. My sound test that I posted was using a Blue Yeti microphone.
Lastly, it's a Tofu case compared to other high-end cases, and it undoubtably sounds worse than other cases.
I think it's unfair to call our videos 'biased' but in real life, these switches sould a whole lot better than they do in that video. If you don't want to take my word for it, there's unfortunately nothing more I can say that'll help.
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 06 March 2020, 08:51:54
Post by: sozo on Fri, 06 March 2020, 11:08:57
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 06 March 2020, 11:22:40
Is the switch live on novelkeys?There is no pre-order for vendors besides Canada. The other vendors will be recieving the switches early April, and they will be sold as an instock item.
Post by: Pach on Fri, 06 March 2020, 14:59:57
Does an in stock item mean that it will continue to be replenished periodically after selling out?Is the switch live on novelkeys?There is no pre-order for vendors besides Canada. The other vendors will be recieving the switches early April, and they will be sold as an instock item.
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 06 March 2020, 16:13:39
That depends completely on demand, and whether people really like them and are interested in more.Does an in stock item mean that it will continue to be replenished periodically after selling out?Is the switch live on novelkeys?There is no pre-order for vendors besides Canada. The other vendors will be recieving the switches early April, and they will be sold as an instock item.
Post by: Joaquox on Sat, 07 March 2020, 01:12:30
I have uwu stems in regular durocks, but since these supposedly have a modified housing, it'd be interesting to see.
Would also love to hear the difference between these and regular durocks/alpackas/everglides in the same board.
Post by: Abhorrent Cell on Wed, 18 March 2020, 18:13:55
Did you ever try these with the Invyr UHMWPE stems? Would love to hear a sound comparison.
I picked up UHMWPE stems specifically for this switch. Excited to try this out.
Post by: ekim8029 on Wed, 18 March 2020, 23:35:36
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 24 March 2020, 10:58:31
Did you ever try these with the Invyr UHMWPE stems? Would love to hear a sound comparison.I don't have any hotswap boards ATM, sorry about that.
I have uwu stems in regular durocks, but since these supposedly have a modified housing, it'd be interesting to see.
Would also love to hear the difference between these and regular durocks/alpackas/everglides in the same board.
Apologies for weird formatting down below, couldn't fix it for some reason.
Did you ever try these with the Invyr UHMWPE stems? Would love to hear a sound comparison.I don't have those either, sorry. I'll be preordering some soon, though, and when they arrive, I'll give em a try.is the virus delaying the production time at all? Or is it still estimated to be late March/early April?
Production is ramping back up in China right now, and I think we are still on track for late March/early April. However, the virus spreading to other countries may impact how soon the vendors can receive and ship out the switches. We'll continue to monitor the situation over the next few weeks.
Post by: Luciqueii on Tue, 24 March 2020, 15:35:04
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 24 March 2020, 15:38:07
So when can we order from EU vendors, soon?Original estimate stands, late March/early April.
Post by: Gottschalk on Fri, 27 March 2020, 16:06:39
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 27 March 2020, 16:28:53
Did I miss out on this already?
The sale hasn't happened yet.
Post by: Boffen on Fri, 27 March 2020, 18:35:03
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 30 March 2020, 13:56:25
Post by: NathanAlphaMan on Tue, 31 March 2020, 00:12:22
Quick update for y'all: Overall, production has been slightly delayed. Around half of the units have been produced so far. Those units are en route to HHHH right now. Production is expected to finish in early April.
Does that move the in-stock sale out to mid-April?
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 31 March 2020, 07:40:19
Yep, mid to late April I’d estimate.Quick update for y'all: Overall, production has been slightly delayed. Around half of the units have been produced so far. Those units are en route to HHHH right now. Production is expected to finish in early April.
Does that move the in-stock sale out to mid-April?
Post by: Han on Fri, 03 April 2020, 10:19:03
Post by: Module on Sat, 04 April 2020, 09:43:30
Post by: eniigma on Sat, 04 April 2020, 11:04:38
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 04 April 2020, 11:30:59
All units are now finished production! They are currently en route to HHHH, and vendors should start receiving soon!
Thanks for the update! I was just wondering about these switches the other day.
Post by: FIJ1 on Sun, 05 April 2020, 07:04:44
I can't wait, and really hope I don't miss out on these.
Post by: Hanabi on Thu, 09 April 2020, 04:51:38
Post by: Sycomore on Thu, 09 April 2020, 05:10:21
Post by: HungerMechanic on Thu, 09 April 2020, 21:24:40
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 09 April 2020, 22:42:56
Yeah, get your films ready. I hear they're set to arrive with vendors for sure within a week or two.
wait... i thought these were going to be the fix for loose tops. NOOOOO. I love every durock/everglide switch I've tried in terms of feel, but man, those loose tops suck ass. I've gone through 7 packages of switch films in the past two months.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 10 April 2020, 00:33:37
Post by: nasp on Fri, 10 April 2020, 01:12:34
All units are now finished production! They are currently en route to HHHH, and vendors should start receiving soon!
How soon we talking about? Next week? Next month?
Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 10 April 2020, 10:27:49
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 10 April 2020, 21:19:06
I’d estimate before the end of the month for the sale.All units are now finished production! They are currently en route to HHHH, and vendors should start receiving soon!
How soon we talking about? Next week? Next month?
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 15 April 2020, 15:10:59
https://eniigmakeyboards.com/pages/h1-switch-review (https://eniigmakeyboards.com/pages/h1-switch-review)
Post by: austinliu on Wed, 15 April 2020, 15:15:39
With the date of the sale for these rapidly approaching, I thought I'd compile my full thoughts into a review. See the link below to read it.Good read
https://eniigmakeyboards.com/pages/h1-switch-review (https://eniigmakeyboards.com/pages/h1-switch-review)
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Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:07:22
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:10:02
Don't quite understand the broken in stems part. So when broken in the stem wobbled a fair amount. But then you filmed em and somehow that reduced stem wobble. That's not how films work. They reduce housing wobble, but not stem wobble.The way I see it, stem wobble = housing wobble. My logic is probably incorrect, but just bear with me.
The switches "broke in" and got smoother, the same way novelkeys creams do. Hope that answers your questions
Post by: sortofsleepy on Wed, 15 April 2020, 17:29:39
Don't quite understand the broken in stems part. So when broken in the stem wobbled a fair amount. But then you filmed em and somehow that reduced stem wobble. That's not how films work. They reduce housing wobble, but not stem wobble.
Could be wrong but I'm guessing housing wobble compounded the stem wobble, hence, after adding films, stem wobble appeared reduced.
Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 15 April 2020, 17:41:09
Ah. Ok. Yeah. That makes more sense. I mean bad stem wobble is a concern. If it's only average with bad house wobble, I'm ok with filming.Don't quite understand the broken in stems part. So when broken in the stem wobbled a fair amount. But then you filmed em and somehow that reduced stem wobble. That's not how films work. They reduce housing wobble, but not stem wobble.
Could be wrong but I'm guessing housing wobble compounded the stem wobble, hence, after adding films, stem wobble appeared reduced.
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 16 April 2020, 08:19:56
There is virtually no wobble after filming, and the sound definitely improves :thumb:Ah. Ok. Yeah. That makes more sense. I mean bad stem wobble is a concern. If it's only average with bad house wobble, I'm ok with filming.Don't quite understand the broken in stems part. So when broken in the stem wobbled a fair amount. But then you filmed em and somehow that reduced stem wobble. That's not how films work. They reduce housing wobble, but not stem wobble.
Could be wrong but I'm guessing housing wobble compounded the stem wobble, hence, after adding films, stem wobble appeared reduced.
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 16 April 2020, 08:44:32
Them a lot. Just unfortunate that you have to film them.
Post by: Joaquox on Thu, 16 April 2020, 10:19:11
Post by: FIJ1 on Thu, 16 April 2020, 10:29:45
Well, $6 for a regular durock is a bit over the top.Is it $6 per switch or per 10 switches?
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Post by: Joaquox on Thu, 16 April 2020, 10:46:18
They cost $.55 at durock if you buy a small quantity, if you buy more than 10000 you get them for $.4 ea without even haggling, though I hear you can get the price down below that.
And if you cut durock out and buy directly from JWK, you'd probably get a better price still.
Post by: steezkeez on Thu, 16 April 2020, 16:30:19
Post by: hmmmwhatsthis on Thu, 16 April 2020, 17:00:25
Post by: Gondolindrim on Thu, 16 April 2020, 22:26:27
Post by: clik_clak on Thu, 16 April 2020, 22:29:05
I thought this wasn't produced by JWK?
Right in the OP:
"These are NOT ordinary JWK linears; HHHH worked with JWK and modified existing molds to his specification."
Post by: scoopbb on Thu, 16 April 2020, 23:45:05
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 21 April 2020, 15:11:53
Per 10.
They cost $.55 at durock if you buy a small quantity, if you buy more than 10000 you get them for $.4 ea without even haggling, though I hear you can get the price down below that.
And if you cut durock out and buy directly from JWK, you'd probably get a better price still.
Well darn. Sounds like your basic Durock switch. It’s fine. I like
Them a lot. Just unfortunate that you have to film them.
all jwk linears are the same, change my mind.
Well, $6 for a regular durock is a bit over the top.
Lol better off buying Durocks at this price if you have to film them for them to even be decent.*sigh* These aren't durock switches. Anyhow, the sale starts tomorrow so you'll finally have a chance to try them and formulate opinions.
The group buy thread is pending approval right now, and I will link it when it is approved. Thanks everyone! :D
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 21 April 2020, 15:19:19
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105882.msg2891920#msg2891920 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105882.msg2891920#msg2891920)