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Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 14 January 2013, 21:03:37
So I've enjoyed the group buy organization process so far and I think I'll be doing another after I have Klaxon ordered.  But I'm not entirely certain on the color combinations, I've thought of:

Black/purple/white (similar to this(image thanks to hashbaz, feel free to tell me to take it down if you'd prefer): (http://i.imgur.com/RpeJX.png)
Charcoal/orange (essentially get OCKC back going)
Red/Blue(think emergency vehicle lights)

Right now, I'm taking suggestions or seconds for one of the three colors I've already thought of here and we'll go from there.

My personal choice is black/purple/white.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: metafour on Mon, 14 January 2013, 21:09:30
Isn't that image based on what we expect to be getting from GMK? I know personally I'm done with full sets from SP and others may be too depending on what happens with GMK.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: boost on Mon, 14 January 2013, 21:15:55
I think the GMK buy will have that purple mod set, maybe something different like CCnB?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Sai on Mon, 14 January 2013, 21:17:36
how about this set?

(http://i.imgur.com/6juDV.jpg?1)

Credit to samwisekoi
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 14 January 2013, 21:25:27
Isn't that image based on what we expect to be getting from GMK? I know personally I'm done with full sets from SP and others may be too depending on what happens with GMK.
I know that the purple set was meant to show how purple mods would look, but I don't know if any GMK stuff is ever going to include a full set.  From the attitudes of the two people that have been doing things with GMK so far, they only seem interested in novelty and mod sets because of the queue. 

And as much as I'd like doing a GB through GMK myself, I'm not certain that it would be one of the more popular of my decisions.  I may though, but we'll see.  If everyone wants to treat SP as the stepchild from now on, obviously I'll do what I can to get things through GMK instead.

I think the GMK buy will have that purple mod set, maybe something different like CCnB?

I wanted to add CCnB to the list, but I have this odd feeling that sherry has a bunch sitting in a box that he's just holding on to until he dumps whatever "is more interesting" on the market.

how about this set?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/6juDV.jpg?1)


Credit to samwisekoi

I wouldn't be opposed to doing a beige/brown/black either. 
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: boost on Mon, 14 January 2013, 21:30:05
Brown and beige looks good in the cherry font but don't know how well it will look in wyse font.

Orange and charcoal!!!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: wiredPANDA on Mon, 14 January 2013, 21:33:13
Orange and charcoal!!!

My votes for this.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Sai on Mon, 14 January 2013, 21:36:26
Brown and beige looks good in the cherry font but don't know how well it will look in wyse font.

Orange and charcoal!!!

i've no idea either. :D

for now, let's just vote !

Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 14 January 2013, 21:37:46
CCnB?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: akuJIWA on Mon, 14 January 2013, 21:40:17
OCKC
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: okooko on Mon, 14 January 2013, 21:50:36
This probably isnt most applicable to this IC/GB but would a full set in Maziora Andromeda be possible? (google Maziora for color)

I guess this would be most appropriate for Metal Cases and what not
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: oluf on Mon, 14 January 2013, 22:06:08
My pref. in order...

1. OCKC
2. Black/purple/white

I would buy both.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Jocelyn on Mon, 14 January 2013, 22:06:37
Charcoal/orange (essentially get OCKC back going)

Yes, I was looking through that thread last week and liked OCKC quite a bit. I'm not sure if it's possible, but I saw some people wanting a second set of inverted mods (orange on darker  charcoal??) and I thought it looked wonderful.

(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll41/Dark-Shot666/OCKCcharcoalmods.png)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: razorsharpgears on Mon, 14 January 2013, 22:09:15
Red/Blue(think emergency vehicle lights)

I like this idea^
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 14 January 2013, 22:33:54
Coffee & Cream!
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: phetto on Mon, 14 January 2013, 22:40:46
Why don't you try something like the orange and charcoal BUT a plain set, with only orange on grey.

Only do 1 option, that is ANSI set with tsangan kit together, no fuzz.

You guys with me?
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: phetto on Mon, 14 January 2013, 22:41:39
Charcoal/orange (essentially get OCKC back going)

Yes, I was looking through that thread last week and liked OCKC quite a bit. I'm not sure if it's possible, but I saw some people wanting a second set of inverted mods (orange on darker  charcoal??) and I thought it looked wonderful.

Show Image
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll41/Dark-Shot666/OCKCcharcoalmods.png)



Or this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So sexy
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: SmallFry on Mon, 14 January 2013, 22:43:53
I could go for a set of OCKC. IIRC, I came up with that name, surprised it stuck like it has. Heh.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: reverkiller on Mon, 14 January 2013, 23:23:41
I'd like a green set like this :

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/DaJuice/Render_reverkiller.jpg)

CCnG but backwards?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: razorsharpgears on Tue, 15 January 2013, 00:01:32
Does not look like CCnG :3
More like Collards and More Greens lol, CnMG
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 15 January 2013, 00:03:35
the reason I didn't have a green option is because of toxic running right now or I'd do GnCC or light green on dark green
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 15 January 2013, 00:22:32
Topre already has a nice lime set - all you'd need is darker green modifiers.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Halverson on Tue, 15 January 2013, 00:29:38
Orange and grey is always a favourite :D

But would love to see something like a Coffee and cream set. Beige with darker brownish beige mods with black legends.

Also, CCnP would be sweet...well...only if SP gets a nice dark purple.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: KuhnTang on Tue, 15 January 2013, 01:04:17
Charcoal/orange (essentially get OCKC back going)

Yes, I was looking through that thread last week and liked OCKC quite a bit. I'm not sure if it's possible, but I saw some people wanting a second set of inverted mods (orange on darker  charcoal??) and I thought it looked wonderful.

Show Image
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll41/Dark-Shot666/OCKCcharcoalmods.png)


This orange and charcoal is Num 1 on my most desired list. 

Second is coffee and cream. 

I would order one of each if both were available.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 15 January 2013, 01:07:49
If I do charcoal/orange, options for all kits will include(I'll order all that meet MoQ):

Charcoal on orange (CoO)
Orange on Charcoal (OoC)
Dark Gray on Orange (DGoO)
Orange on Dark Gray (OoDG)

This will ensure the ability to mix and match at will.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Tue, 15 January 2013, 05:39:01
If I do charcoal/orange, options for all kits will include(I'll order all that meet MoQ):

Charcoal on orange (CoO)
Orange on Charcoal (OoC)
Dark Gray on Orange (DGoO)
Orange on Dark Gray (OoDG)

This will ensure the ability to mix and match at will.

This
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 15 January 2013, 06:30:47
I really like that OCKC but I've been DYING to get my hands on CCnB.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Noko on Tue, 15 January 2013, 07:05:29
I am personally a fan of any brown/cream or coffee and cream sets.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Batmann on Tue, 15 January 2013, 07:34:19
OCKC is dope
I would also love a Blue and CC (there is a thread about that somewhere in the IC section, I don't know where it's going though...)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: reverkiller on Tue, 15 January 2013, 07:35:31
After greens, I like the thought of coffee, but the Orange ones seem neat!

Whatever you pick, I'll probably buy anyway :P
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Acetrak on Tue, 15 January 2013, 07:56:36
Charcoal/orange (essentially get OCKC back going)

Yes, I was looking through that thread last week and liked OCKC quite a bit. I'm not sure if it's possible, but I saw some people wanting a second set of inverted mods (orange on darker  charcoal??) and I thought it looked wonderful.

Show Image
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll41/Dark-Shot666/OCKCcharcoalmods.png)

Replace orange with yellow would be neat for this
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: AKIMbO on Tue, 15 January 2013, 08:25:32
Orange on charcoal with dark grey mods.....mmmmmm.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Shadovved on Tue, 15 January 2013, 08:37:30
I like how the arrow keys are triangles ;D

But it means new legends?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Emmiya on Tue, 15 January 2013, 08:52:38
Might possibly be a bit too similar to the RA2.0, but how about BLUEonWHITE and vice versa? (the blue being either BO, or BFP (http://keycapsdirect.com/images/Customized/ABSColors.jpg)) with the possible option of grey kits being available again for those who missed them in the original group buy?
You just know there's going to be some people who clicked originally and didn't like the red, or the prices were perhaps still too high and didn't/forgot to check back(even though they're cheap as chips now).
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Acetrak on Tue, 15 January 2013, 08:55:41
I like how the arrow keys are triangles ;D

But it means new legends?
Nope, they've done it before :)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Shadovved on Tue, 15 January 2013, 08:56:51
I like how the arrow keys are triangles ;D

But it means new legends?
Nope, they've done it before :)

*inserts **** yeah gif*
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 15 January 2013, 09:03:13
Don't worry, white and blue is in the works. Look for it soon.

So, I really want that orange on charcoal. OAS on GX. I also really like the look of that OAS on GE base with OAS on GX mods.
Title: Re: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 15 January 2013, 09:26:11
Don't worry, white and blue is in the works. Look for it soon.
Let it RAIN!
Title: Re: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Shadovved on Tue, 15 January 2013, 09:26:33
Don't worry, white and blue is in the works. Look for it soon.
Let it RAIN!

FEEL THE RAIN ON YOUR SKIN!  ;D
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 15 January 2013, 09:55:13
Let it RAIN!

SmallFry knows what's up. ;)
Title: Re: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 15 January 2013, 09:56:39
Let it RAIN!

SmallFry knows what's up. ;)
I have.....nooooooooooooo idea what you are talking about. :P
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: mashby on Tue, 15 January 2013, 11:00:19
I'm in for both Charcoal and Orange, but my favorite would be Coffee and Cream. And I think nokcha from KeyPop.net already has a vendor key designed that would fit this set really, really well.  :p


Image from this thread (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36743.msg755003#msg755003)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 15 January 2013, 11:43:15
First GMK buy is small only because they insisted on it. I defineatly have plans to organize buy for full set following. Considering MOQ will probably be at least 300, need to keep colorways as something that will appeal enough to get there. Have idea to do a buy quarterly for full set with one classic repro and one fresh colorway decided by community voting. I have no probelm working with others and sharing the efforts.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Germiphene on Tue, 15 January 2013, 12:50:53
blue (BO) on white (WFK) would with blue on grey(GCF) modifiers?  Anyone feeling the love?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: GMC on Tue, 15 January 2013, 14:21:59

Show Image
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll41/Dark-Shot666/OCKCcharcoalmods.png)

Replace orange with yellow would be neat for this

Brilliant idea.  Lemon on charcoal. 

There are already orange on charcoal sets out there. Though would be nice to have constant colour on the mods too.  Like the original skidata set

Or coffee on creme, but maybe with a rich chocolate brown for the mods with creme legends?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Emmiya on Tue, 15 January 2013, 15:15:13
Don't worry, white and blue is in the works. Look for it soon.

So, I really want that orange on charcoal. OAS on GX. I also really like the look of that OAS on GE base with OAS on GX mods.
*high5*

Yay, on the plus side, lots of new awesome keycaps to get, on the downside... my wallet hurts :(
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: KuhnTang on Tue, 15 January 2013, 15:53:16
I think the lemon on charcoal will look too similar to the "Toxic Set" currently in GB.

Orange/Grey/Charcoal please!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Acetrak on Tue, 15 January 2013, 15:59:21
What if it was like an egg yolk yellow?

TBH I'd like to see charcoal with pink and cyan lol
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 15 January 2013, 16:01:35
What if it was like an egg yolk yellow?

TBH I'd like to see charcoal with pink and cyan lol

This is just crazy talk. ;D
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: KuhnTang on Tue, 15 January 2013, 16:29:14
What if it was like an egg yolk yellow?

TBH I'd like to see charcoal with pink and cyan lol

I'd be into cyan
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Vintage on Tue, 15 January 2013, 16:33:10
Do CCnB!!!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: wiredPANDA on Tue, 15 January 2013, 17:25:09
What if it was like an egg yolk yellow?

TBH I'd like to see charcoal with pink and cyan lol

I'd be into cyan

+1

That doesn't sound too bad.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 15 January 2013, 17:35:23
What if it was like an egg yolk yellow?

TBH I'd like to see charcoal with pink and cyan lol

+1

That doesn't sound too bad.

I'd be into cyan

This sounds a little like SoWaRe.  I know that there was supposed to be an IC about getting that up and running, but I haven't read anything new about it recently, so we can throw something like that on the list, too.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 17 January 2013, 09:58:50
Don't worry, white and blue is in the works. Look for it soon.

So, I really want that orange on charcoal. OAS on GX. I also really like the look of that OAS on GE base with OAS on GX mods.

Rumors and promises...I demand threads and pictures with signup sheets and prices!!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 17 January 2013, 10:38:11
CPT, trust me. The blue on white will be raining down soon enough. Not Soon™ either, soon.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 17 January 2013, 11:06:57
CPT, trust me. The blue on white will be raining down soon enough. Not Soon™ either, soon.

Lol, it cracked me up that you called me Captain. Is Sherryton the one who's providing the blue and white goodness?

In regards to the OP, the GMK buy is looking interesting as well. That Triumph Adler green set is really growing on me.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: SwissFTW on Thu, 17 January 2013, 11:34:06
Definitely down for some OCKC action...
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: danielucf on Thu, 17 January 2013, 12:44:29
I suggested the the options for OCKC but the guy running it at the time didn't want to add options. He wanted just the base set like SP sells to be orange on grey, and then grey on orange mods. It was like pulling teeth to get him to even consider orange on grey mods and then orange on charcoal (the darker grey) was even worse, but eventually someone made the mock up linked in this thread. I'm just happy to see people backing my suggestions.

Also my interest check thread for SkyWyRe (Sky blue Wyse Replica) is still open and I am planning it for this year at some point. Most people want it to be a limited run of around 100, but there were some suggestions for 150, and even some for only 50-75 so that it is more rare. I think 100 is the sweet spot for price, and limited numbers.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: h4ilthethief on Wed, 23 January 2013, 16:11:16
I really like the idea of yellow on the grey/charcoal so I took the picture and just did a quick spray of yellow on it to see how it looked. Now I'm no professional and I did it in a rush so it is no where near clear or sharp but the idea looks nice unit someone does a proper draw up of the keyboard.
(http://i.imgur.com/8dChfP7.png)

 Still a newbie. :(
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 23 January 2013, 16:23:02
While your idea is valid, we already have the Toxic set, which is sort of a yellow-green.

I still prefer the orange legends.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: h4ilthethief on Wed, 23 January 2013, 16:24:49
I only did it because someone mentioned yellow earlier. It is also my understanding the toxic set will be more of a neon toxic green kinda thing. I'd just prefer a yellow.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: keymaster on Wed, 23 January 2013, 16:30:29
Charcoal/orange (essentially get OCKC back going)

Yes, I was looking through that thread last week and liked OCKC quite a bit. I'm not sure if it's possible, but I saw some people wanting a second set of inverted mods (orange on darker  charcoal??) and I thought it looked wonderful.

Show Image
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll41/Dark-Shot666/OCKCcharcoalmods.png)


This looks amazing.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Jocelyn on Wed, 23 January 2013, 16:34:13


This looks amazing.

I couldn't agree more :)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 23 January 2013, 16:44:32
^^ I need those NAO!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: MKULTRA on Sat, 26 January 2013, 00:21:14
I'd be in for an OCKC.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: elchupanegre on Tue, 05 February 2013, 14:15:29
If they don't go with an orange/grey set in the GMK thread then I'd be up for a set like in the mockup above, but in UK layout.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 05 February 2013, 23:11:18
+1 for coffee and cream
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: absyrd on Wed, 06 February 2013, 09:11:46
I'd like to see some iteration of Round3 with the large font done again... perhaps in some of the colors mentioned above.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: mashby on Wed, 06 February 2013, 10:01:13
I'd like to see some iteration of Round3 with the large font done again... perhaps in some of the colors mentioned above.

Yes! I'm a huge fan of the Dolch Replica / Round 3 style and have been unable to get my hands on any.  :'(
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 06 February 2013, 11:22:19
Considering that round4 is in production, you may see a few floating and he (7bit) is already planning a round5 that may be from GMK, that may not be something I can touch.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 06 February 2013, 11:29:23
I'd like to see some iteration of Round3 with the large font done again... perhaps in some of the colors mentioned above.

Yes! I'm a huge fan of the Dolch Replica / Round 3 style and have been unable to get my hands on any.  :'(

I believe I saw some of leftovers in the Round 4 thread at DT. Maybe you can check there mashby? Otherwise, it seems like a few Round 3s have been popping up.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Leewei on Wed, 06 February 2013, 11:43:13
CCNB! Considering that there is quite a number of people expecting their blue on white cherry pbt caps I think white on blue modifiers would be pretty popular.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 06 February 2013, 11:45:31
CCNB! Considering that there is quite a number of people expecting their blue on white cherry pbt caps I think white on blue modifiers would be pretty popular.

Yes please, I've been dying to see CCnB!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: NexusKaiser on Wed, 06 February 2013, 11:47:11
As someone who loves anything orange, the OCKC has my vote :p

Random thought guys: The OCKC would look fab with an otional F row kit which replaces   F1F2F3F4   F5F6F7F8   F9F10F11F12   clusters with the letters   GEEK   HACK   .ORG, where G is F1, E is F2, "." is F9 etcetc... Would mirror the look of the current header image for the forums :)

Could make this particular kit a fundrasier kit for GH too ;D
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 06 February 2013, 11:48:13
I'd like to see some iteration of Round3 with the large font done again... perhaps in some of the colors mentioned above.

Yes! I'm a huge fan of the Dolch Replica / Round 3 style and have been unable to get my hands on any.  :'(

I believe I saw some of leftovers in the Round 4 thread at DT. Maybe you can check there mashby? Otherwise, it seems like a few Round 3s have been popping up.

I'm pretty sure I'll be selling my R4 set as soon as I get it, same for the hangal set from lysols PBT GB. I just don't need this many sets
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 06 February 2013, 11:52:07
That's actually why I have two keyboards that are lacking keys at all.  I don't want to end up with extras just collecting dust when round4 and klaxon stuff is coming Soon.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 06 February 2013, 11:55:40
I'd like to see some iteration of Round3 with the large font done again... perhaps in some of the colors mentioned above.

Yes! I'm a huge fan of the Dolch Replica / Round 3 style and have been unable to get my hands on any.  :'(

I believe I saw some of leftovers in the Round 4 thread at DT. Maybe you can check there mashby? Otherwise, it seems like a few Round 3s have been popping up.

I'm pretty sure I'll be selling my R4 set as soon as I get it, same for the hangal set from lysols PBT GB. I just don't need this many sets

Dibs on R4!! :P
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 19 February 2013, 23:09:17
So I think the next thing I run is going to be DSA profile because it's different and cool looking

Possible sets:
1. OCKC (may be one of the GMK runs, may not, I suppose we'll see.)
2. CCnB (tired of hearing about how someone else is totally going to do it.  someday.  after something else more cool.  and after something else.  and after a new website.  and after that new website is turned off and back on several times.)
3. klaxon (hesitant to do the same colors so quick, but I bet they'd look good in DSA.  Or at least give RoG/GoR its time in the sun in that profile)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 19 February 2013, 23:14:03
Whatever sets get made, have GMK make them. I love cherry caps 100% more than SP now
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 19 February 2013, 23:18:34
Whatever sets get made, have GMK make them. I love cherry caps 100% more than SP now
GL with the MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 19 February 2013, 23:21:15
I like my thick cherry caps as well, but the problem is, as has been stated, MoQ.

Klaxon was a good success at 175 orders.
Retro was HUGE success at 225.  And that was with at least two vendors buying an unknown quantity of those sets.

Combine those and that's the minimum for GMK.  Is there any color that can get that kind of patient movement behind it?

I have a *slight* worry about communication as well, but that's borne more of not having interacted with the group before more than anything.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 19 February 2013, 23:23:22
I like my thick cherry caps as well, but the problem is, as has been stated, MoQ.

Klaxon was a good success at 175 orders.
Retro was HUGE success at 225.  And that was with at least two vendors buying an unknown quantity of those sets.

Combine those and that's the minimum for GMK.  Is there any color that can get that kind of patient movement behind it?

I have a *slight* worry about communication as well, but that's borne more of not having interacted with the group before more than anything.

I honestly think that GMK will never happen unless either:

1. They lower their MOQ
2. Somehow the Korean communities work with us on reaching the MOQ.

Our best bet on Cherry legends is waiting for SP.

EDIT: speaking of koreans....

http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/6048594
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 20 February 2013, 00:32:19
I like my thick cherry caps as well, but the problem is, as has been stated, MoQ.

Klaxon was a good success at 175 orders.
Retro was HUGE success at 225.  And that was with at least two vendors buying an unknown quantity of those sets.

Combine those and that's the minimum for GMK.  Is there any color that can get that kind of patient movement behind it?

I have a *slight* worry about communication as well, but that's borne more of not having interacted with the group before more than anything.

Actually, DSA Retro sold 422 alpha sets and a combined total of 421 mods sets. With some vendor help, of course.

And Klaxon did what, about 280 full sets? Getting close to a 400 MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 20 February 2013, 07:43:32
That's not how GMK counts MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 20 February 2013, 08:15:15
They wouldn't count 400 full sets ordered as MOQ met? Then how?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: MKULTRA on Wed, 20 February 2013, 14:14:58
They wouldn't count 400 full sets ordered as MOQ met? Then how?
IIRC it is per set.  So you would have to order 400 base, 400 mod, 400 tsangan, etc...
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: realex on Wed, 20 February 2013, 14:18:03
one more vote for orange/charcoal/grey - would prefer orange mods with this one though.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: aggiejy on Wed, 20 February 2013, 17:56:26
It is expected to Rain™ this week.
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 20 February 2013, 18:20:21
They wouldn't count 400 full sets ordered as MOQ met? Then how?
IIRC it is per set.  So you would have to order 400 base, 400 mod, 400 tsangan, etc...

Right. For GMK, everyone would have to order the same thing. No separate kits. Streamlined and inclusive.
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 20 February 2013, 18:21:14
It is expected to Rain™ this week.

Just take all my money, why don't ya? :P
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 20 February 2013, 18:33:04
It is expected to Rain™ this week.

Just take all my money, why don't ya? :P

All my wallet is belong to aggiejy
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Tarzan on Wed, 20 February 2013, 18:54:24
I'd be in as well for the orange/charcoal/grey.  That's a very classy look.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: aggiejy on Thu, 21 February 2013, 03:15:02
LET IT RAIN! (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40520.0)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: L4yercake on Thu, 21 February 2013, 04:19:25
Orange/Charcoal/Grey

(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll41/Dark-Shot666/OCKCcharcoalmods.png)  (http://i46.tinypic.com/2rrouqb.jpg)


Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 22 February 2013, 13:19:40
I'm going to tentatively pull ockc off the table as it looks like sherry "is going to sell it soon"
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 23 February 2013, 16:46:58
I'm going to tentatively pull ockc off the table as it looks like sherry "is going to sell it soon"

Hm, I thought that hint was for a Dolch set.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Jocelyn on Sat, 23 February 2013, 16:51:59
I'm going to tentatively pull ockc off the table as it looks like sherry "is going to sell it soon"

Hm, I thought that hint was for a Dolch set.

Ski Data with darker/brighter orange - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40315.msg805336#msg805336
Imsto Thick Grey (w/ Hangul?) - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40253.msg805707#msg805707
Dolch set - No idea
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy/Angry angry klaxon 1st official sale
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 05 March 2013, 13:44:51
So I think the next set I'm going to do is just going to suddenly be for sale, almost like I'm a retailer (Cause I would be).  Even still, I'm looking for good bets as to what to get and here are my thoughts:

From GMK -
-Black/white.  It's a simple classic combo that I haven't seen much talk about coming through a group buy, but one that I think would sell reasonably well.
- purple mods.  They look super sharp on black inputs.
- CCnO.  There's a new thread about getting it done through SP, but I think it may be popular enough to get through GMK and get that solid goodness.
- ESC key red/white.  I know I just did klaxon, but the red is different enough to differentiate this set, on top of the thicker plastics.

SP:
- something something DSA

Also, thinking of getting more B series matching function and number rows for some of the new sets out, but there wasn't a huge amount of turn out when these were done back late last year, so I'm hesitant.  I just liked working with sleabo, he's my British Gentleman bro.

I've got other stuff I'm thinking about getting a hold of other than this, but that will have to wait, heh.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Halverson on Tue, 05 March 2013, 13:48:31
GMK Miami set, please and thank you tj bro!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 05 March 2013, 13:50:07
You know, if enough people dig it, I may do that, too as a pseudo surprise.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 05 March 2013, 13:51:47
Let's going to Miami. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nBbGtccrAY)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 05 March 2013, 14:22:09
GMK Miami set, please and thank you tj bro!

I'm down :D
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: oluf on Tue, 05 March 2013, 14:36:20
That solid GMK Orange looks awesome to me.. I'd be in for  a set of CCnO.

Personally, I'm mostly interested in full sets. =)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy/Angry angry klaxon 1st official sale
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 05 March 2013, 14:40:57
So I think the next set I'm going to do is just going to suddenly be for sale, almost like I'm a retailer (Cause I would be).  Even still, I'm looking for good bets as to what to get and here are my thoughts:
From GMK -
-Black/white.  It's a simple classic combo that I haven't seen much talk about coming through a group buy, but one that I think would sell reasonably well.
- purple mods.  They look super sharp on black inputs.
- CCnO.  There's a new thread about getting it done through SP, but I think it may be popular enough to get through GMK and get that solid goodness.
- ESC key red/white.  I know I just did klaxon, but the red is different enough to differentiate this set, on top of the thicker plastics.
I've got other stuff I'm thinking about getting a hold of other than this, but that will have to wait, heh.

I think Black on White with grayish mods would looks really clean.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 05 March 2013, 19:19:12
In the next couple days, expect Interest checks to go up for Miami and CCnO.  I'll contact GMK and SP to get quotes from both in the morning.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 05 March 2013, 19:24:52
CCnO? Where did that come from? And what would the approximate SP color codes be?

NVM, found it. :D
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: KuhnTang on Wed, 06 March 2013, 00:36:04
In the next couple days, expect Interest checks to go up for Miami and CCnO.  I'll contact GMK and SP to get quotes from both in the morning.

Miami looks nice
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 06 March 2013, 14:45:28
Dat Creamsicle set!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 06 March 2013, 17:06:54
I won't be changing the two ICs inc, but I totally forgot about trying to do a SoWaRe replica.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 06 March 2013, 17:15:03
Why do SoWaRe replica (WYSE replica replica)? Do actual WYSE replica! :D





Oh yeah, and 3000 posts!!!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 06 March 2013, 17:28:16
I'm going to tentatively pull ockc off the table as it looks like sherry "is going to sell it soon"

But he won't be using paypal, ONLY Credit Card payments are accepted by him.  >:(

If you are going to offer any kind of Key-set sale you have to include Paypal or it's not on.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 06 March 2013, 17:34:10
I'm going to tentatively pull ockc off the table as it looks like sherry "is going to sell it soon"

But he won't be using paypal, ONLY Credit Card payments are accepted by him.  >:(

If you are going to offer any kind of Key-set sale you have to include Paypal or it's not on.

I plan to, especially after the BS with klaxon.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: MKULTRA on Wed, 06 March 2013, 21:22:18
Why do SoWaRe replica (WYSE replica replica)? Do actual WYSE replica! :D





Oh yeah, and 3000 posts!!!
There is already an IC for WYSE replica, and I think soware looks better anyways.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: fydo on Thu, 07 March 2013, 13:51:38
I like to throw in a vote for both CCnB and Coffee & Cream. :D
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Leewei on Thu, 07 March 2013, 14:02:48
You can get coffee and cream from keypop.net. =)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Tarzan on Thu, 07 March 2013, 14:10:05
I'd be in as well for the orange/charcoal/grey.  That's a very classy look.

The OCKG color scheme is the only one I've seen in this thread that I'd be interested in.  If Sherryton/others don't end up offering this will there be an updated IC?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 07 March 2013, 14:11:24
And I don't think CCnB will be a go, what with RainDrop going on...
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: mushupork on Thu, 07 March 2013, 14:53:49
How about a Woodland camo themed keyset?  Dark green keys, brown modifiers ... or maybe random numbers of same colored keys groups together rather than defined sections/rows of color.  Blaze orange font. 

Future sets in the same vein could be the Desert Camo, Grassland Camo, Shipboard Camo, Winter Camo.  Kind of like the RA/Klaxon is Red v. White while is RainDrop and Toxic is the same idea but with Blue v. White or Black v. Lime Green.

I thought of this when I saw the Camo Filco pics and how different people chose different color keysets because they could not match the greens. 

EDIT:  Saw this right after I posted ... http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39741.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39741.0)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: fydo on Thu, 07 March 2013, 16:19:01
You can get coffee and cream from keypop.net. =)

I did see that earlier, but I won't be ordering it for a few reasons:

1) $95 is a little pricey for just a TKL set
2) I'd want the matching 17key set as well
3) They've fixed this already, but they initially had a misleading image showing that you would get novelty keys instead of the proper F5-F8 keys and a coffee colored spacebar only
4) I took a look at the shipping policy information page on their site and they state that international shipping costs $3.99 + $0.10 per keycap. So for a 95-key set, this should be $13.49. When I add the keyset to my cart, shipping is $24.99!

For the above reasons, I'd much rather order a keyset from someone that I respect and trust. TJ has definitely earned that (for me, anyways) with his excellent Klaxon group buy.

Sorry for threadcrapping, but I just wanted to illustrate that there is still demand for a Coffee & Cream set. Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Leewei on Thu, 07 March 2013, 16:56:17
I would like a graphite/black set. They look pretty awesome =D
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 08 March 2013, 03:17:14
You can get coffee and cream from keypop.net. =)

I did see that earlier, but I won't be ordering it for a few reasons:

1) $95 is a little pricey for just a TKL set
2) I'd want the matching 17key set as well
3) They've fixed this already, but they initially had a misleading image showing that you would get novelty keys instead of the proper F5-F8 keys and a coffee colored spacebar only
4) I took a look at the shipping policy information page on their site and they state that international shipping costs $3.99 + $0.10 per keycap. So for a 95-key set, this should be $13.49. When I add the keyset to my cart, shipping is $24.99!

For the above reasons, I'd much rather order a keyset from someone that I respect and trust. TJ has definitely earned that (for me, anyways) with his excellent Klaxon group buy.

Sorry for threadcrapping, but I just wanted to illustrate that there is still demand for a Coffee & Cream set. Thanks!

+1 for a coffee set

I was tempted to buy that coffee set from keypop, but it was just to pricey in the end especially with shipping to EU

A group buy could solve this issue ;)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: KeyPop on Fri, 08 March 2013, 13:49:30
You can get coffee and cream from keypop.net. =)

I did see that earlier, but I won't be ordering it for a few reasons:

1) $95 is a little pricey for just a TKL set
2) I'd want the matching 17key set as well
3) They've fixed this already, but they initially had a misleading image showing that you would get novelty keys instead of the proper F5-F8 keys and a coffee colored spacebar only
4) I took a look at the shipping policy information page on their site and they state that international shipping costs $3.99 + $0.10 per keycap. So for a 95-key set, this should be $13.49. When I add the keyset to my cart, shipping is $24.99!

For the above reasons, I'd much rather order a keyset from someone that I respect and trust. TJ has definitely earned that (for me, anyways) with his excellent Klaxon group buy.

Sorry for threadcrapping, but I just wanted to illustrate that there is still demand for a Coffee & Cream set. Thanks!

1.) We believe $95(roughly $1 per keycap) is a very fair price for the keyset. Unfortunately we cannot sell at manufacturer prices for obvious reasons. We're sorry you feel that way.
3.) Our initial picture clearly showed you were receiving 2 space bars. One of each color. We stated multiple times that the f5-f8 keys were going to be included.
4.) We chose to ship all keysets via Priority Mail. We specifically chose that shipping option because of the quick delivery time. First Class Mail was very unreliable and at times the packages were delivered even a month after they were shipped out. This created problems for us where we were unable to issue refunds correctly. We're not making any money off of the shipping cost. In fact we're paying around a dollar or two from our own pockets to ship it out.

We perfectly understand and respect your opinion on this but we felt obligated to correct some of the misunderstanding that's been going on. We are thinking about providing cheaper shipping but the price difference is not too big. 7-30 day wait vs 5-10 day wait was just more applicable.

Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: fydo on Fri, 08 March 2013, 15:54:39
4.) We chose to ship all keysets via Priority Mail. We specifically chose that shipping option because of the quick delivery time. First Class Mail was very unreliable and at times the packages were delivered even a month after they were shipped out. This created problems for us where we were unable to issue refunds correctly. We're not making any money off of the shipping cost. In fact we're paying around a dollar or two from our own pockets to ship it out.

There's nothing wrong with requiring Priority Mail for keysets, but the shipping policy page *still* lists the incorrect information regarding pricing for international shipping. ($3.99 for the first keycap + $0.10 per extra, with optional Priority Mail for at most an extra $10)

I realize most of this is nitpicky, but these little mistakes make me uneasy to order from KeyPop. I'd definitely give TJ my full support if he decided to do a Coffee & Cream set!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: WarNutts on Sun, 10 March 2013, 13:10:32
gun metal and orange set plox.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 14 March 2013, 13:05:24
I've asked kaporkle for a price to get nice renders, but for now, which white/cream cheese looks best?

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#OBC,WBO,WBO,OBC

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#OBC,WCK,WCK,OBC

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#OBC,WA,WA,OBC

I've also got first correspondence in with GMK, I'm waiting on a reply with some orange and white color options from them.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Sai on Thu, 14 March 2013, 19:21:17
I've asked kaporkle for a price to get nice renders, but for now, which white/cream cheese looks best?

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#OBC,WBO,WBO,OBC

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#OBC,WCK,WCK,OBC

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#OBC,WA,WA,OBC

I've also got first correspondence in with GMK, I'm waiting on a reply with some orange and white color options from them.

I like the WBO, OBC.
WCK is too bright for me.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 14 March 2013, 19:24:57
I'm a fan of the WCK. It's actually darker than it shows on the monitor. It's what was used for CCnG. WA is WAy too bright, like needles in your eyes bright.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 14 March 2013, 19:40:37
Also, I'm thinking about this not getting much momentum until 3rd quarter of this year.  It's starting to feel like we're close to market saturation on any custom stuff with how much came out this quarter.

I may even do this through SP with DSA profile instead of GMK because I'm not entirely sure how I'll get 400 sets sold.
Title: Re: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Jocelyn on Thu, 14 March 2013, 20:05:41
Also, I'm thinking about this not getting much momentum until 3rd quarter of this year.  It's starting to feel like we're close to market saturation on any custom stuff with how much came out this quarter.

I may even do this through SP with DSA profile instead of GMK because I'm not entirely sure how I'll get 400 sets sold.

Maybe you should do this through Imsto instead haha - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41187
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 14 March 2013, 20:07:26
This would be for next year or a small run this year, but I'm thinking of getting a clear polycarb set organized.  Don't know if I will for sure yet, though.

Also, I'm thinking about this not getting much momentum until 3rd quarter of this year.  It's starting to feel like we're close to market saturation on any custom stuff with how much came out this quarter.

I may even do this through SP with DSA profile instead of GMK because I'm not entirely sure how I'll get 400 sets sold.

Maybe you should do this through Imsto instead haha - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41187


Hmm, good point.  We'll see if GMK ever gets back to me and maybe I'll do both(black blank and CCnO) at once...
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 15 March 2013, 02:45:04
Also, I'm thinking about this not getting much momentum until 3rd quarter of this year.  It's starting to feel like we're close to market saturation on any custom stuff with how much came out this quarter.

My wallet says "Thank you!"

:D
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Saturn on Fri, 15 March 2013, 02:52:32
how about glow-in-the-dark bright green legends on purple keys
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 18 March 2013, 20:43:06
I wonder if there'd be anyone interested in a b-series 33key input set.  I've asked sleabo about pricing/MoQ already, because I think I'd like a set that matched my f-row and number row.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: i488 on Wed, 20 March 2013, 10:25:17
Orange and charcoal!!!

My votes for this.
+1
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 20 March 2013, 12:03:13
CCnO renders coming soon.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 20 March 2013, 12:07:18
I wonder if there'd be anyone interested in a b-series 33key input set.  I've asked sleabo about pricing/MoQ already, because I think I'd like a set that matched my f-row and number row.

I think an 87-key B-series kit would be awesome, but I can understand restrictions...

so +1 to B-series 33 key.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 20 March 2013, 12:09:31
I wonder if there'd be anyone interested in a b-series 33key input set.  I've asked sleabo about pricing/MoQ already, because I think I'd like a set that matched my f-row and number row.

I think an 87-key B-series kit would be awesome, but I can understand restrictions...

so +1 to B-series 33 key.

I'm waiting on a price, still.  I fully expect the 33-key to brush $100
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 20 March 2013, 14:57:20
I've asked kaporkle for a price to get nice renders, but for now, which white/cream cheese looks best?

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#OBC,WBO,WBO,OBC

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#OBC,WCK,WCK,OBC

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#OBC,WA,WA,OBC

I've also got first correspondence in with GMK, I'm waiting on a reply with some orange and white color options from them.
OBC and WA - WCK both look so damn good I can't decide.
http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#YW,WCK,WCK,YW (http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#YW,WCK,WCK,YW)?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 20 March 2013, 14:59:38
Based on the quarter-res renders he's given me on half of what I requested so far, I think this could be a huge hit
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 March 2013, 17:49:46
Because I'm bored :

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/DaJuice/CCoO_test_02.jpg)

Orange on cream inc, as well as full keyboard shots in 60% and tkl and cherry and dsa profile.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Sai on Fri, 22 March 2013, 02:12:13
Because I'm bored :

Show Image
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/DaJuice/CCoO_test_02.jpg)


Orange on cream inc, as well as full keyboard shots in 60% and tkl and cherry and dsa profile.
Olange !!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 22 March 2013, 03:17:03
Because I'm bored :

Show Image
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/DaJuice/CCoO_test_02.jpg)


Orange on cream inc, as well as full keyboard shots in 60% and tkl and cherry and dsa profile.

Beautiful!!

Do want  :D
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Glod on Fri, 22 March 2013, 11:43:36
Because I'm bored :

Show Image
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/DaJuice/CCoO_test_02.jpg)


Orange on cream inc, as well as full keyboard shots in 60% and tkl and cherry and dsa profile.

damn that looks good

I'm going to need more keyboards.....LOL
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 22 March 2013, 14:01:07
Seeing more complete pictures, gotta say, it'll be a tough decision between dsa and cherry for these...

Also, sleabo got back to me about input keys in b-series and it's looking like ~ $80 plus assorted fees.  I'll toss an IC specific to it up soon.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: redeye on Fri, 22 March 2013, 17:06:18
Cherry's still got it  :D
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: redeye on Tue, 26 March 2013, 15:57:53
For me the dsa shape suits darker colour configurations like dolch but cherry suits the lighter colours. But having said that i bet seeing these colours in dsa will probably make me look like a fool.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 26 March 2013, 21:27:59
Waiting on a couple more renders to get completed and then we'll let the class decide.  I'm completely torn like to the degree I wouldn't mind trying to run both through, heh.
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 26 March 2013, 21:40:07
Waiting on a couple more renders to get completed and then we'll let the class decide.  I'm completely torn like to the degree I wouldn't mind trying to run both through, heh.

As long as these are available in an all WoO set, like your first render, I'm all over this.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: inteli722 on Tue, 26 March 2013, 21:59:25
I do like the WoO (I like the Windows 8 logo, but not Windows 8!)

Now if SP would make a mold for that stupid Leopold Spacebar...
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 26 March 2013, 23:37:13
Waiting on a couple more renders to get completed and then we'll let the class decide.  I'm completely torn like to the degree I wouldn't mind trying to run both through, heh.

As long as these are available in an all WoO set, like your first render, I'm all over this.

If it's a gmk set, that's all I'm doing, if I go SP, I'll be doing it like klaxon
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Thu, 28 March 2013, 18:49:41
Can't see the pics
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Tarzan on Thu, 28 March 2013, 18:58:58
Can't see the pics

+1
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 28 March 2013, 20:22:17
Ah, I bet I know why, fix inc.
DSA:
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/CCnO/DSAOoCC-CCoO60_zps8a49a303.jpg)
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/CCnO/DSAOoCC_zpsead33444.jpg)
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/CCnO/DSACCoO-OoCC_zps385854f2.jpg)
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/CCnO/DSACCoO602_zpsad4d2ab6.jpg)
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/CCnO/DSACCoO60_zps7c8a2c5f.jpg)

Cherry:

(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/CCnO/ChOoCC-CCoO60_zps3c0ee363.jpg)
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/CCnO/ChOoCC-CCoO_zps0e764d6f.jpg)
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/CCnO/ChCCoO-OoCC_zpsb58d227a.jpg)
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/CCnO/ChCCoO60_zps23feb585.jpg)

Difference between font/profile only (same color pattern):

(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/CCnO/ChCCoO60_zps23feb585.jpg)
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/CCnO/DSACCoO60_zps7c8a2c5f.jpg)
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 28 March 2013, 20:41:43
Oh my goodness, oh my dayum!

Dat white on orange!

I can't decide between the large, centered, retro legends on spherical DSA, or the thick, bold, contrast-y legends on THICK ABS from GMK.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 28 March 2013, 20:45:07
I saw these renders... so good!
Whoops, I see you've posted them. I saw them on the Flickr. :D
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 28 March 2013, 20:49:30
Oh my goodness, oh my dayum!

Dat white on orange!

I can't decide between the large, centered, retro legends on spherical DSA, or the thick, bold, contrast-y legends on THICK ABS from GMK.

I no rite?  If there's enough interest, I may run both and let DSA/SP have more color options and GMK have dat orangey goodness(partly because it looks the best for cherry profile, partly to limit fragmentation and lose MoQ).
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: redeye on Thu, 28 March 2013, 20:52:04
Oh my goodness, oh my dayum!

Dat white on orange!

I can't decide between the large, centered, retro legends on spherical DSA, or the thick, bold, contrast-y legends on THICK ABS from GMK.

This is exactly what I'm weighing up, but the boldness just nudges it for me. Having said that, I'm in with whatever is decided (as long as the orange is right on the money). this is an opportunity to get a unique gorgeous set.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: redeye on Thu, 28 March 2013, 20:55:50
Oh my goodness, oh my dayum!

Dat white on orange!

I can't decide between the large, centered, retro legends on spherical DSA, or the thick, bold, contrast-y legends on THICK ABS from GMK.

I no rite?  If there's enough interest, I may run both and let DSA/SP have more color options and GMK have dat orangey goodness(partly because it looks the best for cherry profile, partly to limit fragmentation and lose MoQ).

well imagined Tj, I would never had thought of it
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Tarzan on Thu, 28 March 2013, 20:59:50
Oh my goodness, oh my dayum!

Dat white on orange!

I can't decide between the large, centered, retro legends on spherical DSA, or the thick, bold, contrast-y legends on THICK ABS from GMK.

This is exactly what I'm weighing up, but the boldness just nudges it for me. Having said that, I'm in with whatever is decided (as long as the orange is right on the money). this is an opportunity to get a unique gorgeous set.

Indeed.  I want one of each.  All.  Every font/cap profile combo.  Orange with white, and white with orange.     :D
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: oluf on Thu, 28 March 2013, 21:02:37
Ahhh.. Creamcicle! Yum! Love the colors both ways! Forward and reverse, that is.. If I had to chose one, I'd go w/ the SP/DSA, based on these renders. They look more refined to me.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 28 March 2013, 21:18:02
Sign me up!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 28 March 2013, 21:59:52
Man, these went from an inkling to a render in no time flat. The orange modifiers with the  'white' base set looks so, so good. Any chance of having 60% mods available?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: inteli722 on Thu, 28 March 2013, 22:30:45
Oh man. I swear, you can take any color you like, and make that kind of keycap set (color x as legends on alpha and color x as base on mods) and it'll look great.
Title: Re: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 29 March 2013, 00:34:53
I no rite?  If there's enough interest, I may run both and let DSA/SP have more color options and GMK have dat orangey goodness(partly because it looks the best for cherry profile, partly to limit fragmentation and lose MoQ).

Please do the solid orange GMK option!
Title: Re: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 29 March 2013, 04:08:28
I no rite?  If there's enough interest, I may run both and let DSA/SP have more color options and GMK have dat orangey goodness(partly because it looks the best for cherry profile, partly to limit fragmentation and lose MoQ).

Please do the solid orange GMK option!

my favorite option as well :)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: realex on Fri, 29 March 2013, 05:23:26
since originative seems to be in a somewhat undisclosed state right now, shouldn't dolch become an option again? iirc the reason it was dropped from the ic was, because a lot of people assumed it might be the next on their to do list.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Fri, 29 March 2013, 05:32:48
I no rite?  If there's enough interest, I may run both and let DSA/SP have more color options and GMK have dat orangey goodness(partly because it looks the best for cherry profile, partly to limit fragmentation and lose MoQ).

Please do the solid orange GMK option!

my favorite option as well :)

+1
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 29 March 2013, 07:41:17
since originative seems to be in a somewhat undisclosed state right now, shouldn't dolch become an option again? iirc the reason it was dropped from the ic was, because a lot of people assumed it might be the next on their to do list.

TJ is trying to stick with new, original ideas for now, not rehashes of existing sets. Besides, for the price of a full set from Orignative, you can find a Dolch PAC (maybe even just the keyboard) on eBay all the time.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Fri, 29 March 2013, 12:23:51
Wasn't sure I'd be a fan but if it was DSA would definitely pick up a set.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 29 March 2013, 21:52:24
since originative seems to be in a somewhat undisclosed state right now, shouldn't dolch become an option again? iirc the reason it was dropped from the ic was, because a lot of people assumed it might be the next on their to do list.

TJ is trying to stick with new, original ideas for now, not rehashes of existing sets. Besides, for the price of a full set from Orignative, you can find a Dolch PAC (maybe even just the keyboard) on eBay all the time.

Also, considering the rabble for Dolch, I'm sure *someone* not named T.J. could run a group buy for them.  Right now, I'm a little frustrated at the lack of any communication from GMK.  I guess I'll have to call them on Monday.  Worst case, I'll look into helping Dan/Hash finish the cherry replica project and use it after Toxic is in production.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Hyde on Thu, 04 April 2013, 23:35:21
I vote for CCnB, I see CCnG around but I don't think I've ever seen any CCnB run  :(

Blue ftw LOL.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 04 April 2013, 23:59:50
Heya TJ, I need you to start a new GB right now, okay?

Round3/DSA Retro style. DSA profile. Large, centered WYSE (SP default) legends. ALL CAPS (CENTERED) ON MODIFIERS. Dolch colorway; WA on GE/GX.

Okay? Go now. If you need help, I'll help you run it. :D
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 05 April 2013, 00:36:11
I'd do that if I didn't just send a quote in to Melissa for my next group buy, Orange Madness (seriously *just* thought that up, btb).  Or maybe it'll just be Orange Crush Madness(even though the jokes feel more plentiful than the angry angry klaxoning), I haven't decided quite yet.

Options are going to be:

Full sets in OoCC or CCoO (including traditional and tsangan mods, so if someone only wants one uniform color for a tkl board, they order whichever they want)(easy to just get two base kits and get everything in every color tkl)
Mod sets in OoCC or CCoO (including tsangan mods) to mirror first choice if you want a basic contrast
10key sets in OoCC or CCoO (includes both matching and mirror non-numeric keys)
ISO (whichever has the most buyers)

Hopefully, this will limit order confusion and my sorting time/confusion as well.  That will probably go up in around a month, once I have CCnG payments collected and set to SP for that.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 05 April 2013, 00:41:33
Hear anything from GMK yet? (lol) :)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 05 April 2013, 03:40:33
Will there be more mock ups for the available options for my lazy brain?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Fri, 05 April 2013, 06:08:03
The GBs are comin out of the wood work. It's only April! :)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 05 April 2013, 12:27:23
Hear anything from GMK yet? (lol) :)

Lawl

Will there be more mock ups for the available options for my lazy brain?

You bum, there are renders in this thread :P  But there will also be mock ups
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Fri, 05 April 2013, 12:29:21
Is it possible to get the ISO kit in both colours? Just asking as both are great but not knowing which ISO means ordering both and then cancelling the one that doesn't get it rather than buying both, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 05 April 2013, 12:39:43
Is it possible to get the ISO kit in both colours? Just asking as both are great but not knowing which ISO means ordering both and then cancelling the one that doesn't get it rather than buying both, if that makes sense.

I plan on offering both colors this time.  I've been toying with the idea of just including it in the base set, depending on the quote I get back from Melissa and GMK
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Fri, 05 April 2013, 12:41:22
Is it possible to get the ISO kit in both colours? Just asking as both are great but not knowing which ISO means ordering both and then cancelling the one that doesn't get it rather than buying both, if that makes sense.

I plan on offering both colors this time.  I've been toying with the idea of just including it in the base set, depending on the quote I get back from Melissa and GMK

Great stuff, thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 05 April 2013, 12:52:34
Is it possible to get the ISO kit in both colours? Just asking as both are great but not knowing which ISO means ordering both and then cancelling the one that doesn't get it rather than buying both, if that makes sense.

I plan on offering both colors this time.  I've been toying with the idea of just including it in the base set, depending on the quote I get back from Melissa and GMK

I think including those 4 ISO Keys in the base set is an awesome idea!

This way the actual costs for them will go down from ~15$ to like ~4$. Of course many ANSI users won't need those keys, but they profit from better tiers made possible by ISO users as well.

I think it's a fair trade-off and a nice gesture for us ISO users :)

Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Fri, 05 April 2013, 15:16:01
Is it possible to get the ISO kit in both colours? Just asking as both are great but not knowing which ISO means ordering both and then cancelling the one that doesn't get it rather than buying both, if that makes sense.

I plan on offering both colors this time.  I've been toying with the idea of just including it in the base set, depending on the quote I get back from Melissa and GMK

I can't believe it...:)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Scoliosis Jones on Fri, 05 April 2013, 18:38:13
I'd do that if I didn't just send a quote in to Melissa for my next group buy, Orange Madness (seriously *just* thought that up, btb).  Or maybe it'll just be Orange Crush Madness(even though the jokes feel more plentiful than the angry angry klaxoning), I haven't decided quite yet.

Options are going to be:

Full sets in OoCC or CCoO (including traditional and tsangan mods, so if someone only wants one uniform color for a tkl board, they order whichever they want)(easy to just get two base kits and get everything in every color tkl)
Mod sets in OoCC or CCoO (including tsangan mods) to mirror first choice if you want a basic contrast
10key sets in OoCC or CCoO (includes both matching and mirror non-numeric keys)
ISO (whichever has the most buyers)

Hopefully, this will limit order confusion and my sorting time/confusion as well.  That will probably go up in around a month, once I have CCnG payments collected and set to SP for that.

is it gonna be CC or white?

renders are white right?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 05 April 2013, 18:39:42
I'd do that if I didn't just send a quote in to Melissa for my next group buy, Orange Madness (seriously *just* thought that up, btb).  Or maybe it'll just be Orange Crush Madness(even though the jokes feel more plentiful than the angry angry klaxoning), I haven't decided quite yet.

Options are going to be:

Full sets in OoCC or CCoO (including traditional and tsangan mods, so if someone only wants one uniform color for a tkl board, they order whichever they want)(easy to just get two base kits and get everything in every color tkl)
Mod sets in OoCC or CCoO (including tsangan mods) to mirror first choice if you want a basic contrast
10key sets in OoCC or CCoO (includes both matching and mirror non-numeric keys)
ISO (whichever has the most buyers)

Hopefully, this will limit order confusion and my sorting time/confusion as well.  That will probably go up in around a month, once I have CCnG payments collected and set to SP for that.

is it gonna be CC or white?

renders are white right?

Nope, they're cream.
Title: Re: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 05 April 2013, 18:43:56
Nope, they're cream.

Should be called CSoO & OoCS, sicle starts with s not c :)

Edit - I guess that really doesn't make sense lol
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Scoliosis Jones on Fri, 05 April 2013, 18:58:44
I'd do that if I didn't just send a quote in to Melissa for my next group buy, Orange Madness (seriously *just* thought that up, btb).  Or maybe it'll just be Orange Crush Madness(even though the jokes feel more plentiful than the angry angry klaxoning), I haven't decided quite yet.

Options are going to be:

Full sets in OoCC or CCoO (including traditional and tsangan mods, so if someone only wants one uniform color for a tkl board, they order whichever they want)(easy to just get two base kits and get everything in every color tkl)
Mod sets in OoCC or CCoO (including tsangan mods) to mirror first choice if you want a basic contrast
10key sets in OoCC or CCoO (includes both matching and mirror non-numeric keys)
ISO (whichever has the most buyers)

Hopefully, this will limit order confusion and my sorting time/confusion as well.  That will probably go up in around a month, once I have CCnG payments collected and set to SP for that.

is it gonna be CC or white?

renders are white right?

Nope, they're cream.

would you see the difference on a white case?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 05 April 2013, 19:04:29
Yes, and all the renders have a white case, which makes the cream stand out a bit more.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Fri, 05 April 2013, 20:10:08
Gonna rock CCnG and CCnO. Miami Hurricanes!!!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 08 April 2013, 18:42:31
Orange Madness pricing.  How freaking awesome are they?  That input kit will be all you need for a tkl board.  And the number on the right for it is including ISO pieces.  I'm *pumped*.

Input/Base Pack (87 total keys, including 1.5mod/7xspacebar)/includes ISO (not completely sure if this is guaranteed)

25 sets                   $76.25 per set/88.37

50 sets                   $58.92 per set/66.62

75 sets                   $53.15 per set/59.37

100 sets                 $50.26 per set/55.74

150 sets                 $47.37 per set/52.12

200 sets                 $45.93 per set/50.31

250 sets                 $45.06 per set/49.22

Modifier Set (13 total keys)

25 sets                   $28.03 per set

50 sets                   $18.69 per set

75 sets                   $15.57 per set

100 sets                 $14.02 per set

150 sets                 $12.46 per set

200 sets                 $11.68 per set

250 sets                 $11.21 per set

ISO (5 total keys - Enter key is DCS)

25 sets                   $14.12 per set

50 sets                   $9.70 per set

75 sets                   $8.22 per set

100 sets                 $7.48 per set

150 sets                 $6.75 per set

200 sets                 $6.38 per set

250 sets                 $6.16 per set

Numpad Set (26 total keys - includes the 3 extra 1x keys pictured)

25 sets                   $30.66 per set

50 sets                   $21.88 per set

75 sets                   $18.95 per set

100 sets                 $17.49 per set

150 sets                 $16.03 per set

200 sets                 $15.30 per set

250 sets                 $14.86 per set

Geek Hack Keys (2 total keys)

25 sets                   $2.88 per set

50 sets                   $2.83 per set

75 sets                   $2.81 per set

100 sets                 $2.80 per set

150 sets                 $2.79 per set

200 sets                 $2.78 per set

250 sets                 $2.75 per set

Shipping to me/to you is not included, neither is paypal fees, paying for my keys or sorting costs, but worst case will be the same as last time (9.50+paypal fees)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Tarzan on Mon, 08 April 2013, 18:53:59
I'd do that if I didn't just send a quote in to Melissa for my next group buy, Orange Madness (seriously *just* thought that up, btb).  Or maybe it'll just be Orange Crush Madness(even though the jokes feel more plentiful than the angry angry klaxoning), I haven't decided quite yet.

Options are going to be:

Full sets in OoCC or CCoO (including traditional and tsangan mods, so if someone only wants one uniform color for a tkl board, they order whichever they want)(easy to just get two base kits and get everything in every color tkl)
Mod sets in OoCC or CCoO (including tsangan mods) to mirror first choice if you want a basic contrast
10key sets in OoCC or CCoO (includes both matching and mirror non-numeric keys)
ISO (whichever has the most buyers)

Hopefully, this will limit order confusion and my sorting time/confusion as well.  That will probably go up in around a month, once I have CCnG payments collected and set to SP for that.

Apologies if this has been spelled out elsewhere in the thread, but which font and profile did you settle on?  The centered Wyse font, or the upper-left Cherry font?  And on which profile?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:11:20
Cherry is out...

Large centered WYSE on DSA!!!

rite?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Tarzan on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:18:07
Cherry is out...

Large centered WYSE on DSA!!!

rite?

That's what I'm hoping for... 

 ;)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 08 April 2013, 22:07:27
Cherry is out...

Large centered WYSE on DSA!!!

rite?

rite.  GMK can't get back in touch with me so whatevs
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 08 April 2013, 23:18:26
We should wait till Cherry legends are finished for this.  It will look beautiful.  I wish I knew what daniel's progress was with it.  Haven't seen him in the Toxic thread lately.  Maybe that means he's busy.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 08 April 2013, 23:33:38
So while the pricing is awesome, it didn't include everything I asked for in that the base price doesn't include matching 1.5xmods/7x spacebar and the mod price is *just* the cost of tsangan when I wanted both popular sets included so that people could get contrasting mods for their base sets.

Though, considering the prices now, that may still be what it is so that people that need tsangan kits pay the whatever extra and if someone wants contrast, they can just buy a full set.

Hm.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: elton5354 on Tue, 09 April 2013, 01:12:00
Is it possible to make the modifiers in caps?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 09 April 2013, 01:15:34
I will ask Melissa.

She has a couple of pricing changes to send me and I'll get a thread up soon.  I'm also extending talks to matt3o to borrow his GB software and such.

Depending on pricing, a base set may include 1.25/1.5xmodsand 6.25/7xspacebar for all sorts of inclusivity and a mod set will include 1.25/1.5x and 6.25/7x spacebar.  The price I've shared today is base set without the tsangan sized stuff and the mod set only being a tsangan kit.  The downside to this would be if someone wanted contrasting colors for mods, they would have to buy two base kits that would also include the contrasting alpha kit.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 01:22:22
Is it possible to make the modifiers in caps?

I like this also.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 09 April 2013, 01:22:54
R1 or 2 was caps wasn't it?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 01:24:09
R3 and R4-R3 :)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 09 April 2013, 01:30:49
Close enough.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: elton5354 on Tue, 09 April 2013, 01:31:38
Also the current DSA Retro GB

So it's about how much it cost to add caps on..
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 09 April 2013, 01:37:46
Honestly, there will probably be a price change because I want it to slightly mirror the DSA buy that matt3o and samwisekoi ran in that:

Base kit means that.  Buy one of these and your entire tkl board is covered in sweet sweet keycaps.  That includes those ISO users (to a degree), winkeyless users and stuff.

Mod kit will be for adding contrasting colors to your base set and will include both standard mods and spacebar on top of a tsangan set.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 09 April 2013, 01:43:07
Does anybody have a good picture that shows the differences between an ISO DSA enter key and an ISO DCS enter key?

Wouldn't it look horrible if one key on the board had a different profile than all the other keys?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 01:44:41
It's too bad SP doesn't have the molds for DSA profile ISO Enters, then. :(
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 09 April 2013, 03:25:37
I'm lost... But orange and cream cheese DSA sounds amazing. Sign me up.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Tue, 09 April 2013, 04:02:46
So a Input/Base Pack is 87 keys all OoCC (or all CCoO)?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 09 April 2013, 14:10:12
So a Input/Base Pack is 87 keys all OoCC (or all CCoO)?

It will actually be 100 keys, all OoCC or CCoO, like this:

(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/CCnO/OrangeandWhiteBaseSet_zps393781d2.jpg)

And the mod kit is:
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/CCnO/OrangeandWhiteModifierSet_zps6e758610.jpg)

Also, I will probably include ISO in that base kit as well. 

Pricing is as follows:


Base (inc ISO):
25 sets                   $114.40 per set
50 sets                   $83.31 per set
75 sets                   $72.94 per set
100 sets                 $67.76 per set
150 sets                 $62.58 per set
200 sets                 $59.99 per set
250 sets                 $58.44 per set
 
Modifier Set (46 total keys)
25 sets                   $73.76 per set
50 sets                   $49.61 per set
75 sets                   $41.56 per set
100 sets                 $37.53 per set
150 sets                 $33.51 per set
200 sets                 $31.50 per set
250 sets                 $30.29 per set

I keep banging on about this, but that price seems phenomenal.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 09 April 2013, 14:13:42
So the ISO keys didn't make it?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 09 April 2013, 14:24:11
Oh, they made it.  That price for base kits *includes* ISO.

Also, that's not all I'm offering.  I'll have additional ISO kits available as well as numpads and geekhack keys.
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Halverson on Tue, 09 April 2013, 14:26:17
Hey tj, do you know if this orange is the same as the one used in R4 sets?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 14:26:37
Best base kit evah!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 09 April 2013, 14:28:32
Hey tj, do you know if this orange is the same as the one used in R4 sets?

I did not.

(http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/The-more-you-know.png)
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 14:30:33
He was asking if it is. I think so, OAS correct?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 09 April 2013, 14:36:44
OBC.  I totes misread that.
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 09 April 2013, 14:37:32
Well, you're changing to OAS, right?!
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Halverson on Tue, 09 April 2013, 17:48:28
Just wondering because I have an orange alpha from R4 that could use some white mods to match.
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Tue, 09 April 2013, 18:18:56
Will these come in white alpha/orange mods and the reverse like other sets in the past?  Or only all orange or all white and we need to buy a mod set seperately?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 09 April 2013, 19:01:07
Well, you're changing to OAS, right?!

Actually, yes, because the original orange I picked is a translucent orange that they don't double shot with.

Just wondering because I have an orange alpha from R4 that could use some white mods to match.

Good thing for you, then.  Here's the email from Melissa:
TJ-
I was just reviewing your original email and I failed to notice the color code you chose for the orange. OBC is a very translucent color and does not lend well to the doubleshot process. While we have it on our color ring, we won't run it for a double shot order. We also don't have hardly any in stock. Would you be open to another color - perhaps OAS?

Will these come in white alpha/orange mods and the reverse like other sets in the past?  Or only all orange or all white and we need to buy a mod set seperately?

The base set is a uniform color (so CCoO or OoCC), so you would have to order a mod set to get the contrasting mods.  I personally don't feel that the contrasting sets look as good as either uniform one does.
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Halverson on Tue, 09 April 2013, 19:38:47
Good to hear about the orange! For me that is :D

Wizbrorangesicle!
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Tue, 09 April 2013, 20:01:29
Good to hear about the orange! For me that is :D

Wizbrorangesicle!
Here we go again!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Glod on Tue, 09 April 2013, 20:23:27
DSA OR DCS?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 09 April 2013, 20:29:57
Other than 1 key, DSA
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Glod on Tue, 09 April 2013, 20:41:54
Oh cool. Would you consider offering blanks (no legends) like in the DSA Retro kit? I would love to have more complete sets for the Ergodox

i think the ergodox was
4 x 2-units
12 x 1.5-units

if not i understand but my ergodox will be sad :(
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 09 April 2013, 21:05:32
If I can get use of his software, I will have blanks and different space bars and mods available.

Also, and this is a maybe even if I do get his software, I may run a retro r3 lookalike with Orange Madness.  I'm hesitant because of a supposed round 5 coming and at least one person talking about GMK dolch.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Glod on Tue, 09 April 2013, 21:09:06
awesome, i hope this all works out on both things, it looks im joining the club of keycap collectors. wayyyy more keycaps than keyboards.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 10 April 2013, 03:01:53
ISO enter is the only DCS cap right...
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: BimboBB on Wed, 10 April 2013, 03:56:15
@tj

is it possible to arrange for tooling the ISO enter (in DSA) and maybe asking for quotes of a german language pack (pls see attached file)? 

thanks  :)

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Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 10 April 2013, 13:45:11
ISO enter is the only DCS cap right...

Correct

@tj

is it possible to arrange for tooling the ISO enter (in DSA) and maybe asking for quotes of a german language pack (pls see attached file)? 

thanks  :)

(Attachment Link)

Melissa was fairly adamant that it wasn't possible to do the ISO enter in DSA, but of course if we were to pay for the tooling, I'm sure that answer would change.  But are we really going to try to spend however many (what I assume are) thousands of dollars for one cap?

Also, I'll email her about the German pack, but I really don't want to turn this into DSA Round4: Everyone gets caps!

ALSO, big news.

I got word back from GMK finally about doing a basic version of this.  Including 7xspacebar, 1.5x mods, center stemmed caps and 1.75x shift we're looking ~$85/set.  And we'd need to get 400 sets sold.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 10 April 2013, 13:58:58

I received word back from Melissa about the DSA ISO enter.  $3500 legend fee plus 12 weeks lead time.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 10 April 2013, 14:32:42

I received word back from Melissa about the DSA ISO enter.  $3500 legend fee plus 12 weeks lead time.

3500$ ?!?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YdpENPgwwpg/UQx8GQglWAI/AAAAAAAABN4/dtkEK4CC0pc/s1600/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 10 April 2013, 14:49:48
Pricing for Deutsche kit

25 sets                   $15.77 per set
50 sets                   $12.85 per set
75 sets                   $11.88 per set
100 sets                 $11.39 per set
150 sets                 $10.90 per set
200 sets                 $10.66 per set
250 sets                 $10.51 per set
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 10 April 2013, 15:04:40
Pricing for Deutsche kit

25 sets                   $15.77 per set
50 sets                   $12.85 per set
75 sets                   $11.88 per set
100 sets                 $11.39 per set
150 sets                 $10.90 per set
200 sets                 $10.66 per set
250 sets                 $10.51 per set

nice! can we pay in bavarian beer and pretzels :D

(http://www.joy.de/imgs-335x223_f3_b4_7f_4f_24449bb0dc18bf38c5439875771ae583)
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 10 April 2013, 15:08:18
nice! can we pay in bavarian beer and pretzels :D

Show Image
(http://www.joy.de/imgs-335x223_f3_b4_7f_4f_24449bb0dc18bf38c5439875771ae583)


You can't, but SHE can! :P
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 10 April 2013, 18:37:24
You wouldn't want to, the exchange rate is horrible.

nice! can we pay in bavarian beer and pretzels :D

Show Image
(http://www.joy.de/imgs-335x223_f3_b4_7f_4f_24449bb0dc18bf38c5439875771ae583)


You can't, but SHE can! :P

I wouldn't let her pay me in beer and pretzels either.  And forgive me, but that doesn't look like a very Bavarian lady.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Wed, 10 April 2013, 18:46:51
Pricing for Deutsche kit

25 sets                   $15.77 per set
50 sets                   $12.85 per set
75 sets                   $11.88 per set
100 sets                 $11.39 per set
150 sets                 $10.90 per set
200 sets                 $10.66 per set
250 sets                 $10.51 per set

Ok i'm going to ask the usual boring question:
Why not an EU kit?
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Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 10 April 2013, 18:51:29
Because I was asked to price a German kit.

I can price this, as well.  While I am going to have the ultra basic ISO included in the base kit, these will be extra subject to their own MOQs.  Depending on how things progress, I may work a bit of subsidization to help, but I'm trying to toe a fine line and not just end up being R4: Pt 2
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Wed, 10 April 2013, 19:18:20
Don't worry this set is beautiful as it is, but ask another quote in an IC don't hurt
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 10 April 2013, 19:20:02
Don't worry this set is beautiful as it is, but ask another quote in an IC don't hurt

Yup and I'm always willing to order what enough people will pay for.

I wish I could get 400+ people on board for one solid set, though as I'd like to run a buy through GMK, too.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 10 April 2013, 19:23:20
Damn GMK MOQ. I wonder if they will end up changing their mind after seeing so much interest from us. I mean, if we can get 150 set MOQ, they would be swimming in GBs from us.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Wed, 10 April 2013, 19:37:26
If you run Dolch in DSA or SA profiles i think 400 MOQ is feasible
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 10 April 2013, 22:43:30
I wonder if I should just run both gmk and SP and if GMK doesn't hit MOQ, oh well.

Oh the other hand, I could see that backfiring as people just place an SP order thinking that GMK MOQ won't be met anyways and I don't really want to take the CCoO full set from SP to push people to get the GMK version.

Scenario A: Just SP

Scenario B: Just GMK, if it fails, go SP

Scenario C: Both at the same time, if GMK fails only SP

Scenario D: Both at same time, don't offer the color that I'm getting through GMK through SP.

I wish their MOQ was just 100 less.  I know I could get 300 fairly easily considering Klaxon (which was a replica of a replica) got near 250 sets sold and retro got over 300 sold.  Maybe if I offer this on DT, too and have a proxy for KBM and OTD and whatever else.

As to dolch, let one of the other people that have claimed that they're getting dolch through GMK put their money where their mouth is.  I've got other sets I think are interesting enough to let them.  Matt3o suggested doing this along with Orange Madness (or Orange Crush, I kinda like Orange Crush more now) - http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#WA,GPA,GPA,WA

/ramble off
Title: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 10 April 2013, 22:51:09
Never gonna make the 400 MOQ, not with the current stable of keyboard enthusiasts. Once SP buys start to get closer to that number, then we can try with GMK. Either that, or front the $34000 and sell them as a vendor for $10 profit per set. What a way to make $4000, huh?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: aggiejy on Wed, 10 April 2013, 22:58:05
I agree with that.  I'd guess you'd have to let it run a year to get even close to 400 with orange.  Never know though. :)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 10 April 2013, 23:01:20
Never gonna make the 400 MOQ, not with the current stable of keyboard enthusiasts. Once SP buys start to get closer to that number, then we can try with GMK. Either that, or front the $34000 and sell them as a vendor for $10 profit per set. What a way to make $4000, huh?

Assuming I can get 400 sold on my own, heh.

EDIT:  I could also run Scenario D and when it came time to collect, I just buy the leftovers to sell to stragglers and the like.  Even 200 is a lot easier to sell than 400...
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 11 April 2013, 00:39:33
I prefer option B.

I think people are keen on those GMK caps and if we don't reach MOQ there is a backup option.

Running both at the same time will probably split interest and result in lower numbers for each option.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: elton5354 on Thu, 11 April 2013, 00:48:33
Any word on cap modifiers? :)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 11 April 2013, 01:39:00
For everything being capital lettered?  Yes, everything is a go with no price difference.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: BimboBB on Thu, 11 April 2013, 07:16:49
@tj

thanks for the quotes. "deutsche kit" is way less than expected.  :) however the tooling cost for ISO enter is quite hard.  :-[ What do you think if you add $7 on each kit? This way you would need to sell "only" 500 kits in total to cover the ISO enter tooling and pricing would look like follows:

Base TKL

25 sets                   $83.25 per set
50 sets                   $65.92 per set
75 sets                   $60.15 per set
100 sets                  $57.26 per set
150 sets                  $54.37 per set
200 sets                  $52.93 per set
250 sets                  $52.06 per set
 
Modifier Set (13 total keys)

25 sets                   $35.03 per set
50 sets                   $25.69 per set
75 sets                   $22.57 per set
100 sets                  $21.02 per set
150 sets                  $19.46 per set
200 sets                  $18.68 per set
250 sets                  $18.21 per set

ISO (5 total keys - Enter key is DCS)

25 sets                   $21.12 per set
50 sets                   $16.70 per set
75 sets                   $15.22 per set
100 sets                  $14.48 per set
150 sets                  $13.75 per set
200 sets                  $13.38 per set
250 sets                  $13.16 per set


Numpad Set (26 total keys - includes the 3 extra 1x keys pictured)

25 sets                   $37.66 per set
50 sets                   $28.88 per set
75 sets                   $25.95 per set
100 sets                  $24.49 per set
150 sets                  $23.03 per set
200 sets                  $22.30 per set
250 sets                  $21.86 per set

Deutsche kit

25 sets                   $22.77 per set
50 sets                   $19.85 per set
75 sets                   $18.88 per set
100 sets                  $18.39 per set
150 sets                  $17.90 per set
200 sets                  $17.66 per set
250 sets                  $17.51 per set


If you are going above 500 sets (in total) you can further reduce the "tooling fee". Would be great if this would be possible, as nobody likes incomplete sets.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 11 April 2013, 07:28:21
First of all:

500 orders is just not realistic.

And second of all:

Even though I am an ISO user and would profit from this, I wouldn't want others to pay for my stuff.

I mean at least 90% of all people won't need this enter key. Why should they pay 7$ per set for it?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: BimboBB on Thu, 11 April 2013, 07:46:27
500 sets in total means:

200 x base set
200 x modifiers
100 x numpad, iso, deutsche kit

I think these numbers should be possible.


There is no other way to have a complete ISO set than spreading these high costs for tooling on as many shoulders as possible. 7bit's Round4 worked the same principle.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 11 April 2013, 08:33:02
So in your scenario, if I get a base set, modifiers, and a numpad, I'm subsidizing the ISO Enter tooling for $21? No thanks.

A simpler solution would be to get you guys off the ISO. We've coddled you for too long. Move over to ANSI and you'll be much happier with GB key sets.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: BimboBB on Thu, 11 April 2013, 08:42:42
It would be only this one time. Afterwards SP has the tool for the enter key and you dont have to coddle us ISO guys again when it comes to DSA groupbuys. Come on....show some love.  :)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 11 April 2013, 08:45:20
No love from JD this morning....  :))
But! I do agree that me shelling out more for caps so a handful can get iso, is a no go.
I always buy numpads and usually have to shell out for that cause I don't do tkl.
No free rides!  :p
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 11 April 2013, 08:52:47
Well, we're going to have plenty of time to find a solution to raise the $3500 for the tooling, since TJ won't be running this until probably June.

My suggestion would be to combine DSA Orange Crush with two other DSA sets into one big GB. Use Matt3o's GB software for orders. Run it in the usual GB timeline, not flash, not R4. That way there should be more orders to spread the cost of the tooling, and everyone pays less subsidy, as in 7bit's R4.

I was thinking that the sets that would get the most orders, if run at the same time as DSA Orange Crush, are Matt3o/samwisekoi's DSA Retro Blue, DSA "R4-Retro," and DSA "Round 3" style.

Or TJ could split off Orange Crush (I've used it 3 times now, TJ, so this is officially the new name),  and run it through GMK, while someone else could run the DSA sets GB.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: BimboBB on Thu, 11 April 2013, 09:08:29
That sounds great!  :) I am not in a hurry and if the tooling costs/per set can be reduced way more because of multiple DSA set GB, I am feeling not so guilty asking for it.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 11 April 2013, 10:09:59
Well, we're going to have plenty of time to find a solution to raise the $3500 for the tooling, since TJ won't be running this until probably June.

My suggestion would be to combine DSA Orange Crush with two other DSA sets into one big GB. Use Matt3o's GB software for orders. Run it in the usual GB timeline, not flash, not R4. That way there should be more orders to spread the cost of the tooling, and everyone pays less subsidy, as in 7bit's R4.

I was thinking that the sets that would get the most orders, if run at the same time as DSA Orange Crush, are Matt3o/samwisekoi's DSA Retro Blue, DSA "R4-Retro," and DSA "Round 3" style.

Or TJ could split off Orange Crush (I've used it 3 times now, TJ, so this is officially the new name),  and run it through GMK, while someone else could run the DSA sets GB.
Sounds like a solid plan!
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: KuhnTang on Thu, 11 April 2013, 12:09:00
No love from JD this morning....  :))
But! I do agree that me shelling out more for caps so a handful can get iso, is a no go.
I always buy numpads and usually have to shell out for that cause I don't do tkl.
No free rides!  :p

I have to admit that I too would be turned off paying for tooling/keys that I will never use.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Tarzan on Thu, 11 April 2013, 12:19:49
No love from JD this morning....  :))
But! I do agree that me shelling out more for caps so a handful can get iso, is a no go.
I always buy numpads and usually have to shell out for that cause I don't do tkl.
No free rides!  :p

I have to admit that I too would be turned off paying for tooling/keys that I will never use.

I've accumulated quite a few ISO layout keyboards by now, the SkiData unit, a G80-1800, and most recently a G80-1501 HAD (inbound from Berlin...).  I'd like to see more ISO keycap options, but I agree that any new tooling costs should be incorporated in ISO-specific buys, not added to ANSI layouts as well.  Same goes for 104-key sets, I like the full-size boards, but I wouldn't expect that group buys with TKL options should cover a portion of the costs for NumPad and the extra modifiers.

What I would like to see are ISO option kits included in every GB.  It's a bit frustrating to see group buys posted with TKL-only layouts, I think I've passed on five or six buys already that would only work on a TKL board. 
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 11 April 2013, 14:22:34
Keep in mind that I'd like to keep some room to help german and eruo kits in case they don't get 25 sets sold.

Also, keep in mind this is for one key in one layout in one key profile.  And if we do split the cost between this and the next retro buy that matt/samwise are hosting, that delays all of the stuff nearly 3 months while they create the tooling to do it.

Retro should be shipping soon and didn't it have an ISO option?  Let's see how that looks before cementing whether we need to invest in a new key.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 11 April 2013, 14:56:40
Just got word back from Melissa about the Euro kit.  They don't have much of it in DSA and as such, each of those keys would be subject to a $35 legend fee.  There are 33 keys that are subject to that and as such, here's the break down of cost:

25 sets                   $71.16 per set
50 sets                   $46.59 per set
75 sets                   $38.40 per set
100 sets                 $34.30 per set
150 sets                 $30.21 per set
200 sets                 $28.15 per set
250 sets                 $26.93 per set
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Thu, 11 April 2013, 17:36:45
Just got word back from Melissa about the Euro kit.  They don't have much of it in DSA and as such, each of those keys would be subject to a $35 legend fee.  There are 33 keys that are subject to that and as such, here's the break down of cost:

25 sets                   $71.16 per set
50 sets                   $46.59 per set
75 sets                   $38.40 per set
100 sets                 $34.30 per set
150 sets                 $30.21 per set
200 sets                 $28.15 per set
250 sets                 $26.93 per set

Thank you! This is the first quote i see on an iso legends kit!
Maybe a DSA set GB is not the best opportunity for such attempt
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: sicaine on Fri, 12 April 2013, 02:40:31
Is DSA final? I mean i do like the DSA, but i also will have a SP CCnG and it would be awesome to combine those two sets.

I also think that it does look way better in normal profile.
I'd love an CCnO set but i wouldn't buy an CCnO DSA set.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: BimboBB on Fri, 12 April 2013, 05:40:46
Thank you! This is the first quote i see on an iso legends kit!
Maybe a DSA set GB is not the best opportunity for such attempt

But sooner or later you need to pay for the DSA legends anyway, if you ever want a DSA set with yr native layout. And if there is a big multiple DSA GB thats probably the best opportunity. 

And if we do split the cost between this and the next retro buy that matt/samwise are hosting, that delays all of the stuff nearly 3 months while they create the tooling to do it.

Is it maybe possible to split the language kit (or even just the ISO enter) from the other kits in terms of delivery? So this ISO enter isnt spoiling the delivery time of all the remaining stuff?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Fri, 12 April 2013, 06:09:07
Thank you! This is the first quote i see on an iso legends kit!
Maybe a DSA set GB is not the best opportunity for such attempt

But sooner or later you need to pay for the DSA legends anyway, if you ever want a DSA set with yr native layout. And if there is a big multiple DSA GB thats probably the best opportunity. 


I don't want helps from ansi people for a regional kit because i'm tired of iso vs ansi debates, i really hope we eu people can work it out by ourselves and i'm worry that THIS gb isn't the best opportunity to reach our goal since there's even the iso enter profile problem, maybe is better try the eu kit first in a DCS gb?
The DSA iso enter it's a totally different problem.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: BimboBB on Fri, 12 April 2013, 06:27:39
There is no help from ANSI people, except for the ISO enter. The legend fees for the euro-kit are ONLY within the euro-kit. However as bigger the whole groupbuy, as less the kits (incl euro-kit) will cost. for example matt3o asked for a single quoation (not within a gb) for euro-kit in DSA retro design: $100 for 50 sets. Tjcaustin asked for same quotation within his orange-GB: $47 for 50 sets.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: KuhnTang on Fri, 12 April 2013, 11:35:51
There is no help from ANSI people, except for the ISO enter. The legend fees for the euro-kit are ONLY within the euro-kit. However as bigger the whole groupbuy, as less the kits (incl euro-kit) will cost. for example matt3o asked for a single quoation (not within a gb) for euro-kit in DSA retro design: $100 for 50 sets. Tjcaustin asked for same quotation within his orange-GB: $47 for 50 sets.

What?

to answer what I think you're trying to say.  If you buy more "euro-kit's" it doesn't affect the price of anyone else's ansi kit.  They are completely seperate. 
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 12 April 2013, 11:47:04
Is DSA final? I mean i do like the DSA, but i also will have a SP CCnG and it would be awesome to combine those two sets.

I also think that it does look way better in normal profile.
I'd love an CCnO set but i wouldn't buy an CCnO DSA set.

The only way it isn't is if 400+ people sign up for it to go through GMK (which severely limits the order/options).  That's not to say I won't revisit this in 6-12 months and see if a DCS version is popular enough to get ran, but this specific set is going to be DSA
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Wraul on Sat, 13 April 2013, 04:47:09
Just got word back from Melissa about the Euro kit.  They don't have much of it in DSA and as such, each of those keys would be subject to a $35 legend fee.  There are 33 keys that are subject to that and as such, here's the break down of cost:

25 sets                   $71.16 per set
50 sets                   $46.59 per set
75 sets                   $38.40 per set
100 sets                 $34.30 per set
150 sets                 $30.21 per set
200 sets                 $28.15 per set
250 sets                 $26.93 per set

Nice.
Those prices aren't all bad considering how many DSA legends we lack.
This would indicate that a Euro kit in DCS profile should be very doable, given that we already have the legends for those.

Personally I wouldn't mind paying quite a lot for a Euro kit.
Having the correct legends makes a huge difference.
If you are already paying a premium to get double shot keys, why not take it the whole way?
Those nice double shot legends doesn't do you much good if they don't correspond to what the keys actually does.

The standard ISO kit usually included in group buys is kind of useless in this regard.
Yes they makes the set usable on ISO keyboards. And I really appreciate that they are included, even though I mainly use ANSI.
I'm sure there is many that can't justify paying for a set of keycaps when the legends isn't correct in their language.
So I believe a Euro kit would get more buyers that the usual ISO kits.

For the record.
At the DSA Euro kit prices I would buy 1-2 sets at $71.16 and 3-4 at $46.59
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 22 May 2013, 05:26:38
Just got word back from Melissa about the Euro kit.  They don't have much of it in DSA and as such, each of those keys would be subject to a $35 legend fee.  There are 33 keys that are subject to that and as such, here's the break down of cost:

25 sets                   $71.16 per set
50 sets                   $46.59 per set
75 sets                   $38.40 per set
100 sets                 $34.30 per set
150 sets                 $30.21 per set
200 sets                 $28.15 per set
250 sets                 $26.93 per set

Thank you! This is the first quote i see on an iso legends kit!
Maybe a DSA set GB is not the best opportunity for such attempt

this is so freaking untrue! :P

we discussed on DT about the feasibility of DSA Retro ISO kit and we also got a quote from SP which includes tooling for new legends. I'm not posting it here, but keys+missing tools for main EU languages came out definitely expensive (much more than tj's quote)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Wed, 22 May 2013, 05:36:59
So TJ's quotes are false?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 22 May 2013, 05:40:27
So TJ's quotes are false?

TJ's probably includes less languages, or SP changed pricing for DSA tooling. Don't know what to say, but the quote that I got it's almost twice tj's one (it can be found on DT DSA GB thread)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Wed, 22 May 2013, 05:50:07
Pricing for Deutsche kit

25 sets                   $15.77 per set
50 sets                   $12.85 per set
75 sets                   $11.88 per set
100 sets                 $11.39 per set
150 sets                 $10.90 per set
200 sets                 $10.66 per set
250 sets                 $10.51 per set

Ok i'm going to ask the usual boring question:
Why not an EU kit?
(Attachment Link)

I think TJ's quote is about the attached eu kit
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 22 May 2013, 05:52:36
ooh that explains everything.

we had many more legends than that, I don't remember exactly but it was like 70 new legends.

(I took all keyboard layouts, merged them and ended up with approx that number of unique legends)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 22 May 2013, 05:56:08
ooh that explains everything.

we had many more legends than that, I don't remember exactly but it was like 70 new legends.

(I took all keyboard layouts, merged them and ended up with approx that number of unique legends)

I think TJ's Euro set covers all that is needed for regular ISO boards. It would be too much if we considered every single key there might be...
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 22 May 2013, 06:17:16
sorry but... is nobody interested in DSA/PBT/dyesub?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Wed, 22 May 2013, 09:08:39
Price?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 22 May 2013, 12:26:02
sorry but... is nobody interested in DSA/PBT/dyesub?

I'm sure there are some people, but I think dyesub doesn't look as good and figure there are enough GB organizers (such as yourself) that do that I don't worry about it /shrug.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Wraul on Wed, 22 May 2013, 13:14:47
Ok i'm going to ask the usual boring question:
Why not an EU kit?
(Attachment Link)

If this is the Euro kit quoted, it does miss a couple of keys for most of the languages.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Wed, 22 May 2013, 15:43:50
This is for dsa caps so the Keys position is interchangeable, you can put the same "A" key in row3 or row2
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: BimboBB on Thu, 23 May 2013, 03:19:09
pasph missed only one key (2/"). otherwise he is completely right with the selection. which keys are you missing wraul?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Wraul on Thu, 23 May 2013, 10:59:10
pasph missed only one key (2/"). otherwise he is completely right with the selection. which keys are you missing wraul?

I don't know the exact constraints that was used when selecting which keys to include in the Euro kit.
There might be a reason why it is the way it is.

I did a quick picture of which keys is missing for a complete Swedish/Finish layout.
Similar keys appear to be missing from other languages.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1357824/MissingKeysSE.png)
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: realex on Thu, 23 May 2013, 11:07:01
well the reason was/is that it wasn't particularly intended to make the iso kit a special language pack - cause then we would have looked at a whole lot of different legends that had been needed to acquire (for lots of $) in order to complete multiple languages - but to make the set usable with an iso layout keyboard while setting it to ansi us input method within windows (if you need all legends to match the exact key they display).
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 23 May 2013, 11:12:24
This should be a pretty complete list of keys per language

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BE
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DE
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DK
½§ 1! 2"@ 3#£ 4¤$ 5%€ 6& 7/{ 8([ 9)] 0=} +? ´`|
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ES
°ª\ 1!| 2"@ 3·# 4$~ 5%€ 6&¬ 7/ 8( 9) 0= '? ¡¿
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FR
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IT
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NO
|§ 1! 2"@ 3#£ 4¤$ 5% 6& 7/{ 8([ 9)] 0=} +? \`´
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PT
\| 1! 2"@ 3#£ 4$§ 5% 6& 7/{ 8([ 9)] 0=} '? «»
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ç āō ~^
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SW-FI
§½ 1! 2"@ 3#£ 4¤€ 5% 6& 7/{ 8([ 9)] 0=} +?\ ´`
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UK
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the SP quote for all of them was basically twice what tj posted
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 23 May 2013, 12:57:53
If I remember right (I could look at an email, but that was two months ago and I got a lot of emails since then), it's $35 a legend to have new stuff made.  I'm also unsure of their triple shooting abilities or if they would do the secondary as dyesub or pad-print.

Keep in mind that while I'm very interested in getting as many people Orange Crush Madness as possible, I am not at all interested in getting into a round 4 situation ever.

Another idea/option would be to order a bunch of cream and orange blanks and have them dye-subbed by a fourth party.

Also, depending on the mood of the forum and myself, I would still be interested in getting a white on orange set run through GMK (it would include basic ISO and tsangan kits).
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: BimboBB on Thu, 23 May 2013, 17:41:39
@wraul

these keys are in, just without the triple legend. makes no sense to make this third legend, as we would end up with tons of different keys.

@tjcaustin

how would you end up in a round 4 situation when you add ONE more kit? 7bit proposed this euro-kit just BECAUSE of the round 4 experience with these many different small kits.

but well....if you go with GMK, that topic is closed anyway. No way 300 people are going to order that euro-kit. Unfortunately.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 23 May 2013, 19:01:26
@wraul

these keys are in, just without the triple legend. makes no sense to make this third legend, as we would end up with tons of different keys.

@tjcaustin

how would you end up in a round 4 situation when you add ONE more kit? 7bit proposed this euro-kit just BECAUSE of the round 4 experience with these many different small kits.

but well....if you go with GMK, that topic is closed anyway. No way 300 people are going to order that euro-kit. Unfortunately.

I'm just saying to say.  I'm not claiming this one additional set makes it a round4 situation, just that there should be the expectation that at some point I'll be cutting off regional/non-popular kits.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: Wraul on Fri, 24 May 2013, 14:42:01
@wraul

these keys are in, just without the triple legend. makes no sense to make this third legend, as we would end up with tons of different keys.

I understand the will to keep the number of keys low.
I think like this though. The 3rd legends are some of the harder to remember, which actually raises their importance and usefulness.

I still think that at least a (2") key should be included. Or perhaps even a (2"@) key.

Don't think I'm complaining. I'm very happy to see this Euro kit. And the keys included goes 80% of the way, which is awesome.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: pasph on Fri, 24 May 2013, 16:40:40
Maybe someone can open a thread, here or over DT, about this topic to find a good compromise for the various potential buyers
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 29 August 2013, 03:59:28
So, is this dream dead then?
[attachimg=1]

sorry about the resurrection, but I was really looking forward to this  :'(
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 29 August 2013, 05:20:57
I think this set was basically replaced by this set:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45288.0

I am not sure though.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 29 August 2013, 12:11:39
They're two different sets, but I'm not sure the popularity of mine with the trans orange/white coming.

I'm thinking of getting just the monotone cream on orange done through GMK, but I've been dealing with other group buys this summer that have delayed me
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 29 August 2013, 12:24:09
I'm thinking of getting just the monotone cream on orange done through GMK

That would be awesome!

But do you really think you can hit a MOQ of 400 with that?
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 29 August 2013, 16:57:55
Plan on doing a pre-sale and then selling the leftovers via mimic if I do that.
Title: Re: [IC] The After Klaxon group buy discussion
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 29 August 2013, 18:16:58
Another thought to garner more attention, holding a giveaway with the group buy for an couple Orangsicle CC's. I may consider donating mine if it would help this groupbuy get off the ground.

Perhaps adding an optional image for the windows key like a Popsicle, or creamy hapsters.
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