[GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2

[cutemelon]

Surprised this hasn't been posted on Reddit yet.

[kajahtaa]

There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

[dottt]

No amount of money would fix fundamental communication issues. If anything, posting to Reddit would be a PSA to try and avoid purchasing from “runners” and try to purchase boards through reputable companies / encourage board creators to partner with said companies.

[Gondolindrim]

There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

I disagree. If you are up for paying extra, get a board on the aftermarket which you are guaranteed to obtain.

[DukeEsquire]

There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

Given that all the facts point to some level of fraud, I don't think giving him more money is the answer.

[_rubik]

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

More money == more ice cream. Seems like a good deal to me

[jbrandona119]

Surprised this hasn't been posted on Reddit yet.

It was! Sort of. Someone made a funny AMV style video a few months ago with all the details, some video game thing. I’m no weeb so idk what it was and I can’t find it but it made its rounds on Reddit and keeb discord servers etc. Probably in one of the previous pages.

Just found my PayPal receipt emails from May 5, 2020. Fun fact: according to an inflation calculator on the Internet, my purchase of a rukia and aluminum top for $611 in 2020 is the equivalent of $644 today.

Anyone ever figure out the mystery folks that apparently had their orders shipped to them without PCBs or was that just a total fabrication? Why even lie about that though…

[Puddsy]

There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

this take is dangerous and bad, and a part of why GBs end up like this in the first place

[XUR]

There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

Are you actually dumb? If it really is a case of the board runner exhausting funds because he waited until a year later to order PCBs and other nonsense, that's our fault?

And instead of complaining, I guess we'll all just shut up and let our money get stolen while the board runner ignores everyone and makes icecream for himself?

[jtangjt]

Hey jaxx, any updates? It's been over 2 months since you said "PCBs incoming" on discord. Surely it doesn't take that long to get proto PCBs ordered and delivered and tested. Do the fitment issues still persist?

[notquant]

I love checking in on this dumpster fire every once in a while. 

[hammerbrotha]

Surprised this hasn't been posted on Reddit yet.

It was! Sort of. Someone made a funny AMV style video a few months ago with all the details, some video game thing. I’m no weeb so idk what it was and I can’t find it but it made its rounds on Reddit and keeb discord servers etc. Probably in one of the previous pages.

Just found my PayPal receipt emails from May 5, 2020. Fun fact: according to an inflation calculator on the Internet, my purchase of a rukia and aluminum top for $611 in 2020 is the equivalent of $644 today.

Anyone ever figure out the mystery folks that apparently had their orders shipped to them without PCBs or was that just a total fabrication? Why even lie about that though…

Here's a link to the reddit thread I think you're referring to.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/myn9e8/latest_rukia_r2_update/

[kajahtaa]

Nobody stole money. You're an investor in ice cream.

 Ode to Ice Cream.... a poetic lamentation of stalled Group Buys

There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

Are you actually dumb? If it really is a case of the board runner exhausting funds because he waited until a year later to order PCBs and other nonsense, that's our fault?

And instead of complaining, I guess we'll all just shut up and let our money get stolen while the board runner ignores everyone and makes icecream for himself?

[NOLA]

There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

I disagree. If you are up for paying extra, get a board on the aftermarket which you are guaranteed to obtain.

Gondo, you got anything to share with regards to the status of this ****ed up situation? Or is it status quo?

[thanatic]

Nobody stole money. You're an investor in ice cream.

 Ode to Ice Cream.... a poetic lamentation of stalled Group Buys

There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

Are you actually dumb? If it really is a case of the board runner exhausting funds because he waited until a year later to order PCBs and other nonsense, that's our fault?

And instead of complaining, I guess we'll all just shut up and let our money get stolen while the board runner ignores everyone and makes icecream for himself?

Did I miss something where is this ice cream machine? Was it in the Jaxx update video?

[PeppyToad]

Call the roller of big keyboards,
The muscular one, and bid him mill
In machine shops concupiscent curves.
Let the wenches dawdle in alu tops
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring alices from last month's group buys.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

Take from the dresser of deal,
Lacking the three encoder knobs, that sheet
On which she embroidered LEDs once
And spread it so as to cover her face.
If her case bottoms protrude, they come
To show how cold she is, and dumb.
Let the lamp affix its beam.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

[hyppialonso]

I have not joined this group buy, just to make sure this thread is up such that you poor guys are not forgotten

[LiTurk]

Well the keyboard was fun but i think im done rukia fail, CRP C64 fail, UkiyoKeys fail. The keyboard hobby is out dated. $700 lost in two years, I'm out Have fun guys. 

[NDL00Z]

[Ghghop]

Maybe if we make it to the 5 year mark we can have a Rukia Participant reunion.

[kajahtaa]

Beautiful.  I'm touched. Much better than that ketchup hack.

Call the roller of big keyboards,
The muscular one, and bid him mill
In machine shops concupiscent curves.
Let the wenches dawdle in alu tops
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring alices from last month's group buys.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

Take from the dresser of deal,
Lacking the three encoder knobs, that sheet
On which she embroidered LEDs once
And spread it so as to cover her face.
If her case bottoms protrude, they come
To show how cold she is, and dumb.
Let the lamp affix its beam.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

[Puddsy]

Beautiful.  I'm touched. Much better than that ketchup hack.

Call the roller of big keyboards,
The muscular one, and bid him mill
In machine shops concupiscent curves.
Let the wenches dawdle in alu tops
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring alices from last month's group buys.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

Take from the dresser of deal,
Lacking the three encoder knobs, that sheet
On which she embroidered LEDs once
And spread it so as to cover her face.
If her case bottoms protrude, they come
To show how cold she is, and dumb.
Let the lamp affix its beam.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

how dare u

[kraize]

Y'all big dumb dumb. GBs are NEVER a guarantee of delivery. If you want a guarantee that you will receive a product, stick to in-stock buys. You're basically kickstarting a project because the vendor refuses to put their own money upfront or does not have the amount to. Y'all are literally throwing money without any proof. This is a peer "moderated" marketplace where vendors rely on established reputation from previous deliveries. STOP encouraging this **** and advocate for stores to do more in-stock products.

[Arithmetics]

Y'all big dumb dumb. GBs are NEVER a guarantee of delivery. If you want a guarantee that you will receive a product, stick to in-stock buys. You're basically kickstarting a project because the vendor refuses to put their own money upfront or does not have the amount to. Y'all are literally throwing money without any proof. This is a peer "moderated" marketplace where vendors rely on established reputation from previous deliveries. STOP encouraging this **** and advocate for stores to do more in-stock products.

thank you for the irrelevant info that everyone already knows

[kajahtaa]

Last comment I promise.

I continue to believe Jaxx is a good person and wants to deliver.

[_rubik]

Y'all big dumb dumb. GBs are NEVER a guarantee of delivery. If you want a guarantee that you will receive a product, stick to in-stock buys. You're basically kickstarting a project because the vendor refuses to put their own money upfront or does not have the amount to. Y'all are literally throwing money without any proof. This is a peer "moderated" marketplace where vendors rely on established reputation from previous deliveries. STOP encouraging this **** and advocate for stores to do more in-stock products.

thank you for the irrelevant info that everyone already knows

They solved the problem for the entire community! Woah, can't believe we've never thought of that before!!!

Less annoying response: It's more nuanced than just "only shop in-stock products". Plenty of threads around here discussing this. GBs aren't a great system, but we don't have many options that still retain agency/flexibility in the design process

Last comment I promise.

I continue to believe Jaxx is a good person and wants to deliver.

Yeah. If this wasn't intentionally fraud, a huge group of trolls and angry customers could trigger a butt ton of anxiety and fear. I honestly don't blame Jaxx for not chiming in on the thread.

[Aevyn]

Y'all big dumb dumb. GBs are NEVER a guarantee of delivery. If you want a guarantee that you will receive a product, stick to in-stock buys. You're basically kickstarting a project because the vendor refuses to put their own money upfront or does not have the amount to. Y'all are literally throwing money without any proof. This is a peer "moderated" marketplace where vendors rely on established reputation from previous deliveries. STOP encouraging this **** and advocate for stores to do more in-stock products.

thank you for the irrelevant info that everyone already knows

They solved the problem for the entire community! Woah, can't believe we've never thought of that before!!!

Less annoying response: It's more nuanced than just "only shop in-stock products". Plenty of threads around here discussing this. GBs aren't a great system, but we don't have many options that still retain agency/flexibility in the design process

Last comment I promise.

I continue to believe Jaxx is a good person and wants to deliver.

Yeah. If this wasn't intentionally fraud, a huge group of trolls and angry customers could trigger a butt ton of anxiety and fear. I honestly don't blame Jaxx for not chiming in on the thread.

Ohh wow. Flexibility is so much more important than actually receiving the product I paid for. Hmm. Would I rather buy a keyboard where it's not the perfect color and cerakote it afterwards? Or would I rather be down $XXX. You say it's more nuanced but offered nothing to add. What customization options are you willing to risk this amount of money for when you can customize later for an additional cost? And don't tell me GBs are more convenient. If you're dumb enough to give someone an interest free loan with no guarantee of a return, then that's on you.

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[Sandy]

Y'all big dumb dumb. GBs are NEVER a guarantee of delivery. If you want a guarantee that you will receive a product, stick to in-stock buys. You're basically kickstarting a project because the vendor refuses to put their own money upfront or does not have the amount to. Y'all are literally throwing money without any proof. This is a peer "moderated" marketplace where vendors rely on established reputation from previous deliveries. STOP encouraging this **** and advocate for stores to do more in-stock products.

thank you for the irrelevant info that everyone already knows

They solved the problem for the entire community! Woah, can't believe we've never thought of that before!!!

Less annoying response: It's more nuanced than just "only shop in-stock products". Plenty of threads around here discussing this. GBs aren't a great system, but we don't have many options that still retain agency/flexibility in the design process

Last comment I promise.

I continue to believe Jaxx is a good person and wants to deliver.

Yeah. If this wasn't intentionally fraud, a huge group of trolls and angry customers could trigger a butt ton of anxiety and fear. I honestly don't blame Jaxx for not chiming in on the thread.

Ohh wow. Flexibility is so much more important than actually receiving the product I paid for. Hmm. Would I rather buy a keyboard where it's not the perfect color and cerakote it afterwards? Or would I rather be down $XXX. You say it's more nuanced but offered nothing to add. What customization options are you willing to risk this amount of money for when you can customize later for an additional cost? And don't tell me GBs are more convenient. If you're dumb enough to give someone an interest free loan with no guarantee of a return, then that's on you.

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Obviously the situation isn't optimal. But personally I'm gonna go out on a limb and say... going onto a website targeted towards group buys, whose history is group buys, and whose future will probably be for what is foreseeable group buys and calling both group buys and those who are participating in them stupid probably ain't it fam.

Edit because my finger slipped and I posted too fast. I don't get what good these bad faith comments even do. Who is the target? The buyers? The community?

[ThePanduuh]

[cutemelon]

This is not cool

[yhehdgjs]

Think I have to just move on.

I mean, if Jaxx was such a devoted guy and really wants to deliver the GB, he should have been more transparent.

I don't believe his words that it's in the process of fixing things. It's not hard to write few lines to people who are waiting for their keyboards, it's not rocket science to tell us whats currently going on.

[NOLA]

I PM this dude on Discord once or twice a week. He quit responding 07/08. Not a word.

[bananathock]

I PM this dude on Discord once or twice a week. He quit responding 07/08. Not a word.

and on your 69th message just say "nice" .

[XUR]

Does anyone know someone who knows this ****ing guy IRL to get some more answers? I thought he was fairly well known in the community before. Obviously going direct to him is no longer going to work. Gondo seems to have been the only proxy that stood up so far.

[XUR]

FYI since most people in this thread are just sulking and not taking any action, I can confirm that I WAS able to open a dispute on my card for this transaction. Even though it took place back in April 2020, it's merchandise that has not been received, so my bank (and most banks) should allow you to do so.

I'd advise you all to try to do the same.

[finalarcadia]

Except I paid with PayPal balance lol

[pleasega]

#scammed

[alspdx]

Cool, cool, 3 months since the last “non-“ update.

[dottt]

Cool, cool, 3 months since the last “non-“ update.

My credit card company approved the charge back but it could take 2 months to finalize, let’s see what happens first.

[clankgy1]

I love checking in on this dumpster fire every once in a while. 

I do too.  I just wish that I wasn't a participant.

[cutemelon]

the other Alice layout board I joined in July already has sent the group manufacturing updates, photos and videos.

I actually have a decent shot at getting this in Q1 2022. As for my Rukia order. . . looking like a bust.

[Diamagisk]

Got my chargeback approved also. Glad to be rid of this cursed GB

[ObsidianRaid]

Got my chargeback approved also. Glad to be rid of this cursed GB

Same here

[alwaysbless]

Damn imagine screwing up this bad with this many peoples funds and not even having the balls to ever give the truth. What a lame a** coward.

[cong314159]

Got my chargeback approved also. Glad to be rid of this cursed GB

What's a charge back? I want out as well. Could you point me to the right direction?

[ZyBeR]

So each kit was $390, with shipping, extra plates, pcbs, tops and what not I think it's safe to assume people on average paid around $430 if not more.

In this post someone says there were around 500 orders in total.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105770.msg3046146#msg3046146

Did this dude just scam 500 people of $215 000 ( Two hundred twenty thousand dollars! ) and is getting away with by just ghosting and people not giving a ****!?

[finalarcadia]

SE was 700 so u can add on to that number

[cong314159]

So each kit was $390, with shipping, extra plates, pcbs, tops and what not I think it's safe to assume people on average paid around $430 if not more.

In this post someone says there were around 500 orders in total.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105770.msg3046146#msg3046146

Did this dude just scam 500 people of $215 000 ( Two hundred twenty thousand dollars! ) and is getting away with by just ghosting and people not giving a ****!?

No one has the time to organize a lawsuit or actually do something about it. I say this, if anyone wants to do the hardwork, I will give 10% of the money I get back to that person. If we have 100 victims to join me on this, that's a few thousand dollars, maybe someone would want to do this. Any lawyer here?

[Visionaire]

FWIW... understand everyone's anger here. Small point to add in... when folks talk about legal action (which could be totally valid), I'd expect any legal representation for Jaxx to advise him to shut his mouth. All things he could say / do when threatened with legal action could be detrimental to him in court. Don't know if this is the case here... but could be part of the silence. Hopefully he's still working on this stuff =/

[ZyBeR]

FWIW... understand everyone's anger here. Small point to add in... when folks talk about legal action (which could be totally valid), I'd expect any legal representation for Jaxx to advise him to shut his mouth. All things he could say / do when threatened with legal action could be detrimental to him in court. Don't know if this is the case here... but could be part of the silence. Hopefully he's still working on this stuff =/

So talking legal action is not a good alternative as it would scare him quiet? I mean how f-cking silent can a guy get?
This dude haven't been seen for months, you seriously think he's still working on the GB?

No one given the state this GB is in can be that stupid to work on it in silence. It's his silence (among other things) that taken us here.
There is a reason he ghosted and it's not good.