Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 17 March 2016, 06:58:36
feelsbadman.jpeg
Post your feels and losses
RIP
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 March 2016, 08:17:21
/shocking...
I thought you guys only approved known entities in GBs, is this not true ?
Post by: redskull on Thu, 17 March 2016, 08:22:34
Multiple orders of Miami Nights and PBT Dark Second Wave
feelsbadman.jpeg
Post your feels and losses
RIP
don't forget the RedScarf keyboard GB as well.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 March 2016, 08:24:49
People who arn't out for the money, people who are sufficiently INVESTED as a true FORUM MEMBER..
Post by: appleonama on Thu, 17 March 2016, 08:32:21
Maybe only people with 5000+ posts should be allowed to run group buys.
People who arn't out for the money, people who are sufficiently INVESTED as a true FORUM MEMBER..
inb4 tp exit scams with 8k posts :p
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 March 2016, 08:35:21
Maybe only people with 5000+ posts should be allowed to run group buys.
People who arn't out for the money, people who are sufficiently INVESTED as a true FORUM MEMBER..
inb4 tp exit scams with 8k posts :p
hahahahaha he's playing the long game.. hahahahahaha.. no.. don't worry guys.. I don't need your money.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 17 March 2016, 11:13:46
Maybe only people with 5000+ posts should be allowed to run group buys.
People who arn't out for the money, people who are sufficiently INVESTED as a true FORUM MEMBER..
...do you know who ran these GBs?
Post by: Signature on Thu, 17 March 2016, 11:14:38
Post by: JaccoW on Thu, 17 March 2016, 11:15:54
Post by: redbanshee on Thu, 17 March 2016, 11:15:57
Post by: Bromono on Thu, 17 March 2016, 11:16:04
That one elo boost in league that got my account suspended for 80 games
What is an elo boost?
Like get you to a different division?
What divisions did you try to boost to?
Post by: Wannabe on Thu, 17 March 2016, 11:24:55
$208 gone in RS84 gb.... **** you Ivan >:D
If you used a card with Paypal to pay for it, try doing a chargeback through your CC Company/Bank. I couldn't open a Paypal dispute because its way past 180 days. Called my bank and they've opened a dispute for me and their chargeback/fraud team is investigating. Doesn't guarantee that you'll get your money back but at least it's trying something proactive. Really disappointed too. I love 75% boards and this is/was one of my grails. First real GB with GH too. I bought something previously from Ivan's classified before this buy started and had no issues.
Post by: beehatch on Thu, 17 March 2016, 11:51:58
Post by: demik on Thu, 17 March 2016, 12:43:35
genius thread
It's okay at best.
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 17 March 2016, 12:44:48
Post by: beehatch on Thu, 17 March 2016, 12:45:51
Ivan - First time I got scammered. Goodbye perfect record :'(
It's going to be my first time too!
Twinsies!
Post by: demik on Thu, 17 March 2016, 12:46:44
Ivan - First time I got scammered. Goodbye perfect record :'(
It's going to be my first time too!
Twinsies!
Oh so you got your mx sliders?
Post by: beehatch on Thu, 17 March 2016, 12:48:55
Ivan - First time I got scammered. Goodbye perfect record :'(
It's going to be my first time too!
Twinsies!
Oh so you got your mx sliders?
>_> that's a bit different
Post by: demik on Thu, 17 March 2016, 12:54:09
Ivan - First time I got scammered. Goodbye perfect record :'(
It's going to be my first time too!
Twinsies!
Oh so you got your mx sliders?
>_> that's a bit different
At what point is delay after delay and excuse after excuse not a scam?
Post by: inanis on Thu, 17 March 2016, 12:57:06
At what point is delay after delay and excuse after excuse not a scam?
^ Indeed, there is a fine line. Sometimes it is difficult to tell. No one wants to be scammed. :(
This Ivan business is the first time I lost money on a buy. It's not the first time one went south tho. So much risk with this stuff.
Post by: demik on Thu, 17 March 2016, 12:58:37
You have **** luck. Next time run it by me to see if you need it or not. (You don't.)At what point is delay after delay and excuse after excuse not a scam?
^ Indeed, there is a fine line. Sometimes it is difficult to tell. No one wants to be scammed. :(
This Ivan business is the first time I lost money on a buy. It's not the first time one went south tho. So much risk with this stuff.
Post by: Bromono on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:00:26
Post by: Halverson on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:01:22
Post by: kokokoy on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:03:13
Post by: inanis on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:04:08
I know. I have learned a lot in the past year. I am much pickier now. But really, I never thought Ivan would get me. So disappointed. Next time tho, I'm asking you first. Pls talk me out of it.You have **** luck. Next time run it by me to see if you need it or not. (You don't.)At what point is delay after delay and excuse after excuse not a scam?
^ Indeed, there is a fine line. Sometimes it is difficult to tell. No one wants to be scammed. :(
This Ivan business is the first time I lost money on a buy. It's not the first time one went south tho. So much risk with this stuff.
Post by: jd29 on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:05:48
I got some hedge funds if you guys are interested in investing.
Sounds great, where should I wire the money?
Post by: demik on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:06:29
Post by: Signature on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:10:38
All my friends were plat, I was a gold 2 scrub. Enough for me to consider blowing 40€ on a boost, and he ****ed me overThat one elo boost in league that got my account suspended for 80 games
What is an elo boost?
Like get you to a different division?
What divisions did you try to boost to?
Post by: Bromono on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:10:44
Wait have you guys legit given up on Ivan?
I got my caps from him when he came back.
Though, from what I read he has been in the hospital?
I did almost get scammed by TheChemist. He had my board for almost a year.
Luckily he came back for a little bit and I got my board.
Then he vanished again and still has people's boards.
The cycle continues.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:21:26
Wait have you guys legit given up on Ivan?
I got my caps from him when he came back.
Though, from what I read he has been in the hospital?
I did almost get scammed by TheChemist. He had my board for almost a year.
Luckily he came back for a little bit and I got my board.
Then he vanished again and still has people's boards.
The cycle continues.
Yeah TheChemist is a weird one as he was very cryptic when he came back. I haven't been able to get in contact with him for some time now.
Post by: Signature on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:24:22
Post by: trenzafeeds on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:31:10
You have **** luck. Next time run it by me to see if you need it or not. (You don't.)At what point is delay after delay and excuse after excuse not a scam?
^ Indeed, there is a fine line. Sometimes it is difficult to tell. No one wants to be scammed. :(
This Ivan business is the first time I lost money on a buy. It's not the first time one went south tho. So much risk with this stuff.
I mean there is no risk buying more HHKB from EK, what other purchases would she be making?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:33:27
Lol I forgot about that scam in the clack caluation thread, the guy who sold a depth black clack to like 10 ppl lol
Was that the same guy who was a long time member who came back to sell stuff?
If not that guy sold clacks, topre caps, realforces etc to multiple people, not sure what ever came of that.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:38:29
Lol I forgot about that scam in the clack caluation thread, the guy who sold a depth black clack to like 10 ppl lol
Was that the same guy who was a long time member who came back to sell stuff?
If not that guy sold clacks, topre caps, realforces etc to multiple people, not sure what ever came of that.
Reptile (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=8408) - BANNED
Post by: Signature on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:40:58
Nah this is the fellaLol I forgot about that scam in the clack caluation thread, the guy who sold a depth black clack to like 10 ppl lol
Was that the same guy who was a long time member who came back to sell stuff?
If not that guy sold clacks, topre caps, realforces etc to multiple people, not sure what ever came of that.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=26017 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=26017)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:42:31
Nah this is the fellaLol I forgot about that scam in the clack caluation thread, the guy who sold a depth black clack to like 10 ppl lol
Was that the same guy who was a long time member who came back to sell stuff?
If not that guy sold clacks, topre caps, realforces etc to multiple people, not sure what ever came of that.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=26017 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=26017)
Didn't even know about that one. :eek:
Post by: Signature on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:43:22
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59608.msg1390913#msg1390913 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59608.msg1390913#msg1390913)Nah this is the fellaLol I forgot about that scam in the clack caluation thread, the guy who sold a depth black clack to like 10 ppl lol
Was that the same guy who was a long time member who came back to sell stuff?
If not that guy sold clacks, topre caps, realforces etc to multiple people, not sure what ever came of that.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=26017 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=26017)
Didn't even know about that one. :eek:
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:47:19
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59608.msg1390913#msg1390913 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59608.msg1390913#msg1390913)Nah this is the fellaLol I forgot about that scam in the clack caluation thread, the guy who sold a depth black clack to like 10 ppl lol
Was that the same guy who was a long time member who came back to sell stuff?
If not that guy sold clacks, topre caps, realforces etc to multiple people, not sure what ever came of that.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=26017 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=26017)
Didn't even know about that one. :eek:
Oh wow. :|
Here's (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50202.msg1699950#msg1699950) the quick rundown on Reptile, the guy I assume Ray was referring to, if anyone's interested.
Post by: Signature on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:49:33
:/ Sucks that older members will come back just to scam :(https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59608.msg1390913#msg1390913 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59608.msg1390913#msg1390913)Nah this is the fellaLol I forgot about that scam in the clack caluation thread, the guy who sold a depth black clack to like 10 ppl lol
Was that the same guy who was a long time member who came back to sell stuff?
If not that guy sold clacks, topre caps, realforces etc to multiple people, not sure what ever came of that.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=26017 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=26017)
Didn't even know about that one. :eek:
Oh wow. :|
Here's (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50202.msg1699950#msg1699950) the quick rundown on Reptile, the guy I assume Ray was referring to, if anyone's interested.
Post by: digi on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:50:24
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:56:36
(LZ)
The general consensus has been that Druger acted on his own with his scam. Do you have reason to believe that wasn't the case?
And who was beating around the bush? :P
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:00:21
Maybe only people with 5000+ posts should be allowed to run group buys.
People who arn't out for the money, people who are sufficiently INVESTED as a true FORUM MEMBER..
...do you know who ran these GBs?
But does Ivan haz over 5000 posts in threads OTHER THAN Geekhack-marketplace ?
(http://img.emoticonplus.com/JVWm8.gif)
Tp4, Maximum Trustable member..
Post by: trizkut on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:09:23
Maybe only people with 5000+ posts should be allowed to run group buys.
People who arn't out for the money, people who are sufficiently INVESTED as a true FORUM MEMBER..
...do you know who ran these GBs?
But does Ivan haz over 5000 posts in threads OTHER THAN Geekhack-marketplace ?Show Image(http://img.emoticonplus.com/JVWm8.gif)
Tp4, Maximum Trustable member..
Only 4943 ... guess he fails the tp4 test
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:17:54
Maybe only people with 5000+ posts should be allowed to run group buys.
People who arn't out for the money, people who are sufficiently INVESTED as a true FORUM MEMBER..
...do you know who ran these GBs?
But does Ivan haz over 5000 posts in threads OTHER THAN Geekhack-marketplace ?Show Image(http://img.emoticonplus.com/JVWm8.gif)
Tp4, Maximum Trustable member..
Only 4943 ... guess he fails the tp4 test
How bout we have an Interview process before the person is allowed to run group buys..
Post by: appleonama on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:19:13
tp for pres!Maybe only people with 5000+ posts should be allowed to run group buys.
People who arn't out for the money, people who are sufficiently INVESTED as a true FORUM MEMBER..
...do you know who ran these GBs?
But does Ivan haz over 5000 posts in threads OTHER THAN Geekhack-marketplace ?Show Image(http://img.emoticonplus.com/JVWm8.gif)
Tp4, Maximum Trustable member..
Post by: inanis on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:24:08
I mean there is no risk buying more HHKB from EK, what other purchases would she be making?Yeah, next board I want is a Type-S, JP edition, preferably. Cause that tiny spacebar is so damn cute. I hope the Japanese don't scam me. :(
Post by: demik on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:32:17
Exactly.You have **** luck. Next time run it by me to see if you need it or not. (You don't.)At what point is delay after delay and excuse after excuse not a scam?
^ Indeed, there is a fine line. Sometimes it is difficult to tell. No one wants to be scammed. :(
This Ivan business is the first time I lost money on a buy. It's not the first time one went south tho. So much risk with this stuff.
I mean there is no risk buying more HHKB from EK, what other purchases would she be making?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:42:39
How bout, we have them At least reveal their Credit score... to the mods..
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:48:49
OKOK..
How bout, we have them At least reveal their Credit score... to the mods..
Oh why not lets just have a post your credit score thread?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:52:24
OKOK..
How bout, we have them At least reveal their Credit score... to the mods..
Oh why not lets just have a post your credit score thread?
well i mean you have to get it verified live with one of the more trusted members of Geekhack.. like HOFF.. who pretty much doesn't sell anything..
And Hoff can't take a bribe, I remember a thread a while back, mentioning Hoff gets many keycaps for free.. and actions such as that, if done on part of the sellers on the Marketplace is no different than an integrity/security compromise. Because Hoff can't be an effective mod, if he's not impartial..
I am not saying Hoff is bad, but he is being influenced.. potentially by scammerz.
It's just that right now, we have no provisions whatsoever against scammers..
I don't think geekhack needs to be responsible should scams happen, but if we're gonna have a market place, we should do something to mitigate these issues..
It's just going to keep happening..
Also, all of Ivan's friends/ close associates.. Them too.. should be scrutinized..
Post by: LeandreN on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:54:51
Maybe only people with 5000+ posts should be allowed to run group buys.I better start posting now!
(http://i.imgur.com/gtZXN3K.gif)
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 March 2016, 15:00:14
Someone like Tp4, who doesn't care 1 nickle about keycaps or keyboards in general, should do the interview process..
You can't bribe me, I don't need your money, and I'm insane enough to know another insane person..
//Petition for Tp4 Interview process
(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/embarrassed3-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862502)
Post by: demik on Thu, 17 March 2016, 15:03:54
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 March 2016, 15:05:07
I, for one, don't trust robots. So sorry tp, as a ronery robot you're disqualified.
You can trust me precisely because I am a robot..
I can not be bribed..
(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/cool-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862496)
Post by: demik on Thu, 17 March 2016, 15:05:58
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 March 2016, 15:10:07
A robot WOULD say that. I'm on to you tp4robot
And the fact that I'm Ronery makes me even more impartially trustworthy, in that I have no obligations to anyone on the forum....
(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/happy-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862507)
Post by: digi on Thu, 17 March 2016, 16:37:41
Post by: azhdar on Thu, 17 March 2016, 16:47:47
I, for one, don't trust robots. So sorry tp, as a ronery robot you're disqualified.
You can trust me precisely because I am a robot..
I can not be bribed..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/cool-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862496)
quoted so it doesn't get edited, we have a proof you're a robot.
Post by: inanis on Thu, 17 March 2016, 17:15:19
I found a bug in this logic. What if it was a female gh'er and they tried to bribe you with nudes?A robot WOULD say that. I'm on to you tp4robot
And the fact that I'm Ronery makes me even more impartially trustworthy, in that I have no obligations to anyone on the forum....Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/happy-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862507)
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 March 2016, 17:22:17
I found a bug in this logic. What if it was a female gh'er and they tried to bribe you with nudes?A robot WOULD say that. I'm on to you tp4robot
And the fact that I'm Ronery makes me even more impartially trustworthy, in that I have no obligations to anyone on the forum....Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/happy-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862507)
sigh..............................................
Well.. Ok..given the Geekhack population, if 1 out of 30 scammers is female, and was able to bribe me.. That means Tp4 is still reliable 96% of the time.. for all females
And If we take into the account that only about 10% of the female population would have high-lvl nudes, then that would make TP4 99.66% reliable
Post by: beehatch on Thu, 17 March 2016, 17:45:36
I found a bug in this logic. What if it was a female gh'er and they tried to bribe you with nudes?A robot WOULD say that. I'm on to you tp4robot
And the fact that I'm Ronery makes me even more impartially trustworthy, in that I have no obligations to anyone on the forum....Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/happy-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862507)
sigh..............................................
Well.. Ok..given the Geekhack population, if 1 out of 30 scammers is female, and was able to bribe me.. That means Tp4 is still reliable 96% of the time.. for all females
And If we take into the account that only about 10% of the female population would have high-lvl nudes, then that would make TP4 99.66% reliable
confirmed robot
Post by: demik on Thu, 17 March 2016, 18:38:33
I found a bug in this logic. What if it was a female gh'er and they tried to bribe you with nudes?A robot WOULD say that. I'm on to you tp4robot
And the fact that I'm Ronery makes me even more impartially trustworthy, in that I have no obligations to anyone on the forum....Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/happy-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862507)
sigh..............................................
Well.. Ok..given the Geekhack population, if 1 out of 30 scammers is female, and was able to bribe me.. That means Tp4 is still reliable 96% of the time.. for all females
And If we take into the account that only about 10% of the female population would have high-lvl nudes, then that would make TP4 99.66% reliable
PM me who you think has high-lvl nudes... im curious.. for science.
Post by: KatzenKinder on Thu, 17 March 2016, 19:00:47
Post by: -musubi on Thu, 17 March 2016, 19:21:15
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 17 March 2016, 19:37:34
MorePM me who you think has high-lvl nudes... im curious.. for science.I found a bug in this logic. What if it was a female gh'er and they tried to bribe you with nudes?A robot WOULD say that. I'm on to you tp4robot
And the fact that I'm Ronery makes me even more impartially trustworthy, in that I have no obligations to anyone on the forum....Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/happy-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862507)
sigh..............................................
Well.. Ok..given the Geekhack population, if 1 out of 30 scammers is female, and was able to bribe me.. That means Tp4 is still reliable 96% of the time.. for all females
And If we take into the account that only about 10% of the female population would have high-lvl nudes, then that would make TP4 99.66% reliable
No sex specified, send demik high level **** pics.
Post by: piemancoder on Thu, 17 March 2016, 20:14:00
1. Buy HHKB
2. There is no step 2. HHKB is best keyboard. You can no longer get scammed buying keycaps, more keyboards, or other things.
Post by: whmeltonjr on Thu, 17 March 2016, 20:18:37
How to not get scammed in keycap/custom KB/other GB according to demik:
1. Buy HHKB
2. There is no step 2. HHKB is best keyboard. You can no longer get scammed buying keycaps, more keyboards, or other things.
Incoming HHKB GB
Post by: jonathanyu on Thu, 17 March 2016, 20:19:29
TheProf, WFD, Sherry 1.0, Druger (LZ), let's be specific boys, no need to beat around the bush (maybe inside the bush?) :Dwe need a thread for listing all the scammers
Post by: jonathanyu on Thu, 17 March 2016, 20:20:43
A robot WOULD say that. I'm on to you tp4robot
And the fact that I'm Ronery makes me even more impartially trustworthy, in that I have no obligations to anyone on the forum....Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/happy-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862507)
tp4 are you going to run a ramen gb? please say yes
Post by: piemancoder on Thu, 17 March 2016, 20:37:12
How to not get scammed in keycap/custom KB/other GB according to demik:
1. Buy HHKB
2. There is no step 2. HHKB is best keyboard. You can no longer get scammed buying keycaps, more keyboards, or other things.
Incoming HHKB GB
Wouldn't that just be FLFisherman selling his extras?
Post by: digi on Thu, 17 March 2016, 20:48:00
A robot WOULD say that. I'm on to you tp4robot
And the fact that I'm Ronery makes me even more impartially trustworthy, in that I have no obligations to anyone on the forum....Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/happy-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862507)
tp4 are you going to run a ramen gb? please say yes
Rare Ramen GB? I'm in!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 18 March 2016, 00:02:04
A robot WOULD say that. I'm on to you tp4robot
And the fact that I'm Ronery makes me even more impartially trustworthy, in that I have no obligations to anyone on the forum....Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/happy-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862507)
tp4 are you going to run a ramen gb? please say yes
Rare Ramen GB? I'm in!
There arn't any rare ramens now that we have internet..
Most of the especially tasty ones are available online,
A few years back this would've been more viable a route..
Post by: romevi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 00:04:30
Post by: Auxo on Fri, 18 March 2016, 02:50:16
What are the best instant ramens? Looking to expand my selection.
Mi goreng: hot & spicy. By 3 cases of them and you are goid
Post by: zennasyndroxx on Fri, 18 March 2016, 02:51:49
Post by: jaffers on Fri, 18 March 2016, 03:14:05
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 18 March 2016, 09:46:00
What are the best instant ramens? Looking to expand my selection.
Um.....
Very generally, all ramen are more/less the same if properly prepared..
This was not always the case but it is today... because there is a PHYSICAL number that they target in the manufacturing of instant ramen products.
When ramen was first introduced, these numbers (similar to the bliss point) were kept secret, overtime all of the companies figured it out, which is when products began to converged..
So, even though today we have some variation in the noodle thickness, the formula to make it springy and slur-py is nearly identical across manufacturers. They're deathly afraid to stray because of the potential to lose sales..
The ideal texture to instant-ramen is a known quantity. Similar to Cocacola, it's suppose to taste exactly like that, OR ELSE, GTFO..
As for what flavors you like, this is the wrong question.. because I've eaten nearly every ramen flavor out there.. NOT because I liked each flavor, but because I eat so much ramen, that EVENTUALLY over time, I become terribly averse to each individual flavor, which forces me to move on.
So, on that front, I can say, if you like ramen, there will never be one flavor, you're just gonna eat everything and cycle..
Now, the PITFALLS, i suppose is worth discussing..
The Ramen that I'm talking about refers very specifically to RAMEN..
They sell all sorts of assorted noodles, like udon, black bean noodles, Pho, glass noodles etc in Ramen packets..
ALL OF THEM SUCK, because with the exception of Oil Fried Ramen, all of the other noodles are Best served fresh as they don't hold up to packet-preservation like instant-ramen..
Post by: Belfong on Fri, 18 March 2016, 10:02:47
what the ****, where did scam therapy turn into, "hi what ramen to buy?"This.
Stop! I want to know who are the scammers!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 18 March 2016, 10:05:53
what the ****, where did scam therapy turn into, "hi what ramen to buy?"This.
Stop! I want to know who are the scammers!
Ivan is the current MIA...
Someone said Hoff has met Ivan before in the past, and nothing terribly alarming came up, so maybe Ivan is really just sick or something.
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 18 March 2016, 10:09:49
what the ****, where did scam therapy turn into, "hi what ramen to buy?"This.
Stop! I want to know who are the scammers!
Ivan is the current MIA...
Someone said Hoff has met Ivan before in the past, and nothing terribly alarming came up, so maybe Ivan is really just sick or something.
FWIW, Hoff did briefly hear from him. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71995.msg2101518#msg2101518)
TheProf, WFD, Sherry 1.0, Druger (LZ), let's be specific boys, no need to beat around the bush (maybe inside the bush?) :Dwe need a thread for listing all the scammers
Seeing as they're all banned, I don't think that would help much honestly.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 10:22:36
What are the best instant ramens? Looking to expand my selection.
Mi goreng: hot & spicy. By 3 cases of them and you are goid
Forgot to mention: I don't like spicy food. :-X
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 18 March 2016, 10:26:08
What are the best instant ramens? Looking to expand my selection.
Mi goreng: hot & spicy. By 3 cases of them and you are goid
Forgot to mention: I don't like spicy food. :-X
it's not spicy like Indian people spicy.. most of these ramens just have a Hint of spiciness..
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 18 March 2016, 10:52:27
what the ****, where did scam therapy turn into, "hi what ramen to buy?"This.
Stop! I want to know who are the scammers!
Ivan is the current MIA...
Someone said Hoff has met Ivan before in the past, and nothing terribly alarming came up, so maybe Ivan is really just sick or something.
FWIW, Hoff did briefly hear from him. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71995.msg2101518#msg2101518)TheProf, WFD, Sherry 1.0, Druger (LZ), let's be specific boys, no need to beat around the bush (maybe inside the bush?) :Dwe need a thread for listing all the scammers
Seeing as they're all banned, I don't think that would help much honestly.
Are they all banned?
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 18 March 2016, 10:53:38
what the ****, where did scam therapy turn into, "hi what ramen to buy?"This.
Stop! I want to know who are the scammers!
Ivan is the current MIA...
Someone said Hoff has met Ivan before in the past, and nothing terribly alarming came up, so maybe Ivan is really just sick or something.
FWIW, Hoff did briefly hear from him. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71995.msg2101518#msg2101518)TheProf, WFD, Sherry 1.0, Druger (LZ), let's be specific boys, no need to beat around the bush (maybe inside the bush?) :Dwe need a thread for listing all the scammers
Seeing as they're all banned, I don't think that would help much honestly.
Are they all banned?
AFAIK, other than Sherry, who technically never scammed anyone as he fulfilled all his orders IIRC.
If they're not I have a strong feeling they've no motivation to show their face here.
On the other hand, who's to say they haven't made alt accounts a la ripster.
Post by: Signature on Fri, 18 March 2016, 10:57:03
Post by: BunnyLake on Fri, 18 March 2016, 11:03:57
Also margo scammed some ppl afaik
I highly doubt that's true
I know he has a couple people's boards, including a ton of my own, but he's had some very extreme personal circumstances and hasn't been around, I'm not personally worried at all that my stuff is gone forever, I know he will come through
That being said, if you know something I don't I'd love you to shoot me a pm so I know the story
Post by: btctopre on Fri, 18 March 2016, 11:05:02
so maybe Ivan is really just sick or something.except he lied about the progress of a couple of the GBs, saying they had already moved on to manufacturing when he'd never even submitted the order/money to the vendor. so the only sickness he could have is greed.
Post by: azhdar on Fri, 18 March 2016, 11:07:45
Also margo scammed some ppl afaik
I highly doubt that's true
I know he has a couple people's boards, including a ton of my own, but he's had some very extreme personal circumstances and hasn't been around, I'm not personally worried at all that my stuff is gone forever, I know he will come through
That being said, if you know something I don't I'd love you to shoot me a pm so I know the story
if you could help epzy get his stuff back from Margo that would be nice, he's been trying for a while apparently.
Post by: BunnyLake on Fri, 18 March 2016, 11:10:56
Also margo scammed some ppl afaik
I highly doubt that's true
I know he has a couple people's boards, including a ton of my own, but he's had some very extreme personal circumstances and hasn't been around, I'm not personally worried at all that my stuff is gone forever, I know he will come through
That being said, if you know something I don't I'd love you to shoot me a pm so I know the story
if you could help epzy get his stuff back from Margo that would be nice, he's been trying for a while apparently.
I've already offered him help, and said I'd ship em personally whenever I can get them from epzy
Margos best friend died in a plane crash sometime ago, and shortly after he lost his job, because of some commitments he had financially he had to take some work out of town
I haven't heard from him in a while, I know Georgek got hold of him semi recently and he was ok
I'll attempt contact again now but margo is a seriously straight up good guy
Post by: Signature on Fri, 18 March 2016, 11:11:16
Well, holding on to stuff and not answering isn't too good.Also margo scammed some ppl afaik
I highly doubt that's true
I know he has a couple people's boards, including a ton of my own, but he's had some very extreme personal circumstances and hasn't been around, I'm not personally worried at all that my stuff is gone forever, I know he will come through
That being said, if you know something I don't I'd love you to shoot me a pm so I know the story
Post by: BunnyLake on Fri, 18 March 2016, 11:13:41
Well, holding on to stuff and not answering isn't too good.Also margo scammed some ppl afaik
I highly doubt that's true
I know he has a couple people's boards, including a ton of my own, but he's had some very extreme personal circumstances and hasn't been around, I'm not personally worried at all that my stuff is gone forever, I know he will come through
That being said, if you know something I don't I'd love you to shoot me a pm so I know the story
Im not suggesting the situation is good, I'm saying he hasn't scammed anyone
Margo doesn't even take payment from people until he ships the goods to them
And while having others property for a long period of time isn't good, he certainly isn't holding anything to keep for himself to make money off of it
Post by: demik on Fri, 18 March 2016, 11:19:16
Also margo scammed some ppl afaik
I highly doubt that's true
I know he has a couple people's boards, including a ton of my own, but he's had some very extreme personal circumstances and hasn't been around, I'm not personally worried at all that my stuff is gone forever, I know he will come through
That being said, if you know something I don't I'd love you to shoot me a pm so I know the story
if you could help epzy get his stuff back from Margo that would be nice, he's been trying for a while apparently.
Epc has been ****ed over so much. But he has some fault in it for not calling people out. A year to get **** shipped and still nothing? Ridic. And then he gets shipped broken **** and is still too chicken **** to say anything. But that seems to be a theme here. Popular GHers get away with bull**** because people are afraid of the backlash.
Post by: BunnyLake on Fri, 18 March 2016, 11:22:01
Post by: BunnyLake on Fri, 18 March 2016, 11:30:48
I'll post pics when I have it and then work out getting it shipped back to people
Post by: madhias on Fri, 18 March 2016, 11:56:26
Margo is dropping any stuff he has of other people's off to me tonight
I'll post pics when I have it and then work out getting it shipped back to people
I am always wondering how you do all this with having kids? No sleep? No work? Rich wife? :)
Also: waiting for TX1800, and Miami Nights.
Post by: BunnyLake on Fri, 18 March 2016, 11:57:45
Post by: BunnyLake on Fri, 18 March 2016, 12:00:47
Post by: BunnyLake on Fri, 18 March 2016, 14:19:12
Post by: margo baggins on Fri, 18 March 2016, 14:51:43
It's a lot less exciting than that. I barely even took people's stuff out of their boxes.
Lets talk about scamming....
40+ JD40's that ive built - do you know how many JD40's I've got that I've built? None. Do you know how many Bunny has? None. Do you know how much I got paid for that? About, $10 a board pretty much (not a complaint - I quite enjoyed doing them). I did that for all you that bought them. And while I know it wasn't fast enough for anyone - I'm yet to see another builder do as many of the same board at the same time for a bunch of people.
60+ other keyboards I have made for people in and around this community - I'm running at a massive loss on this one, I've charged about 4 people real money in my life for building them keyboards.
I don't even know how many group buys I organised for you lot, but it was loads, and it used to take up my entire evenings often working on that stuff with Bunny. Again, not a complaint I quite enjoyed doing it.
walk a mile in my shoes - then call me a scammer.
Post by: Bromono on Fri, 18 March 2016, 15:03:57
The scammer is here - ready to scam you all.
It's a lot less exciting than that. I barely even took people's stuff out of their boxes.
Lets talk about scamming....
40+ JD40's that ive built - do you know how many JD40's I've got that I've built? None. Do you know how many Bunny has? None. Do you know how much I got paid for that? About, $10 a board pretty much (not a complaint - I quite enjoyed doing them). I did that for all you that bought them. And while I know it wasn't fast enough for anyone - I'm yet to see another builder do as many of the same board at the same time for a bunch of people.
60+ other keyboards I have made for people in and around this community - I'm running at a massive loss on this one, I've charged about 4 people real money in my life for building them keyboards.
I don't even know how many group buys I organised for you lot, but it was loads, and it used to take up my entire evenings often working on that stuff with Bunny. Again, not a complaint I quite enjoyed doing it.
walk a mile in my shoes - then call me a scammer.
*drop mic*
Post by: romevi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 15:08:34
The scammer is here - ready to scam you all.
It's a lot less exciting than that. I barely even took people's stuff out of their boxes.
Lets talk about scamming....
40+ JD40's that ive built - do you know how many JD40's I've got that I've built? None. Do you know how many Bunny has? None. Do you know how much I got paid for that? About, $10 a board pretty much (not a complaint - I quite enjoyed doing them). I did that for all you that bought them. And while I know it wasn't fast enough for anyone - I'm yet to see another builder do as many of the same board at the same time for a bunch of people.
60+ other keyboards I have made for people in and around this community - I'm running at a massive loss on this one, I've charged about 4 people real money in my life for building them keyboards.
I don't even know how many group buys I organised for you lot, but it was loads, and it used to take up my entire evenings often working on that stuff with Bunny. Again, not a complaint I quite enjoyed doing it.
walk a mile in my shoes - then call me a scammer.
*drop mic*
*picks it up*
Dude, quit ruining expensive equipment.
Post by: 27 on Fri, 18 March 2016, 15:11:27
The scammer is here - ready to scam you all.
It's a lot less exciting than that. I barely even took people's stuff out of their boxes.
Lets talk about scamming....
40+ JD40's that ive built - do you know how many JD40's I've got that I've built? None. Do you know how many Bunny has? None. Do you know how much I got paid for that? About, $10 a board pretty much (not a complaint - I quite enjoyed doing them). I did that for all you that bought them. And while I know it wasn't fast enough for anyone - I'm yet to see another builder do as many of the same board at the same time for a bunch of people.
60+ other keyboards I have made for people in and around this community - I'm running at a massive loss on this one, I've charged about 4 people real money in my life for building them keyboards.
I don't even know how many group buys I organised for you lot, but it was loads, and it used to take up my entire evenings often working on that stuff with Bunny. Again, not a complaint I quite enjoyed doing it.
walk a mile in my shoes - then call me a scammer.
*drop mic*
*picks it up*
Dude, quit ruining expensive equipment.
**** I hope the soundguy handled the feedback okay. Way too many blown speakers from dumbasses screwing around at school.
Post by: demik on Fri, 18 March 2016, 15:34:28
Post by: digi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 15:42:15
BTW - Tp4, please link some good/rare ramen noodles..
Post by: appleonama on Fri, 18 March 2016, 15:59:40
Good to see the Scam Therapy thread working already..
BTW - Tp4, please link some good/rare ramen noodles..
:))
Tp will recommend Maruchan
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 18 March 2016, 16:11:50
Good to see the Scam Therapy thread working already..
BTW - Tp4, please link some good/rare ramen noodles..
:))
Tp will recommend Maruchan
My budget go to is --Doll--..
They're on the thinner side, which allows you to cook faster.
Post by: digi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 16:13:30
http://www.amazon.com/Doll-Instant-Noodles-Artificial-103-Grams/dp/B004XXXQPG
Post by: Signature on Fri, 18 March 2016, 16:38:22
The scammer is here - ready to scam you all.Good to see you back! I wouldn't classify you as a "scammer" but holding onto boards for a very long time without responding isn't the best of ways. Epzy for example even considered getting a plane ticket to retrieve the boards cause he couldn't get you to respond. This went on for a really long time afaik a year or so. However after like an hour of me calling you out you get back. I don't want any unnecessary drama and if the boards can be sent back then everything's good.
It's a lot less exciting than that. I barely even took people's stuff out of their boxes.
Lets talk about scamming....
40+ JD40's that ive built - do you know how many JD40's I've got that I've built? None. Do you know how many Bunny has? None. Do you know how much I got paid for that? About, $10 a board pretty much (not a complaint - I quite enjoyed doing them). I did that for all you that bought them. And while I know it wasn't fast enough for anyone - I'm yet to see another builder do as many of the same board at the same time for a bunch of people.
60+ other keyboards I have made for people in and around this community - I'm running at a massive loss on this one, I've charged about 4 people real money in my life for building them keyboards.
I don't even know how many group buys I organised for you lot, but it was loads, and it used to take up my entire evenings often working on that stuff with Bunny. Again, not a complaint I quite enjoyed doing it.
walk a mile in my shoes - then call me a scammer.
Also, doing GB's and losing money on soldering is a great deed, but it doesn't justify 1 year of holding onto boards for thousands of dollars with zero communication. I know you've had some struggles and I hope you have recovered from them as well!
Post by: romevi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 16:51:53
Also, I've been eating maruchan for years. Would like to branch out. :thumb:
Post by: HPE1000 on Fri, 18 March 2016, 16:53:40
This one?these are the best tho
http://www.amazon.com/Doll-Instant-Noodles-Artificial-103-Grams/dp/B004XXXQPG
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00778B90S/ref=s9_simh_gw_g325_i4_r?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=1BZNKANWV12CG7ET71K6&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2437869742&pf_rd_i=desktop
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 18 March 2016, 16:54:12
This one?
http://www.amazon.com/Doll-Instant-Noodles-Artificial-103-Grams/dp/B004XXXQPG
yea..
if you do end up trying them dont' cook them all the way through. otherwise you'd make them too soft.
If you're a ramen novice, I'd still go thicker noodles such as shin, because those are more tolerant to cooking times.
Post by: digi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 16:56:11
Post by: katushkin on Fri, 18 March 2016, 19:52:30
There is (in my opinion) no excuse with the limited evidence at hand.
The scammer is here - ready to scam you all.
It's a lot less exciting than that. I barely even took people's stuff out of their boxes.
Lets talk about scamming....
40+ JD40's that ive built - do you know how many JD40's I've got that I've built? None. Do you know how many Bunny has? None. Do you know how much I got paid for that? About, $10 a board pretty much (not a complaint - I quite enjoyed doing them). I did that for all you that bought them. And while I know it wasn't fast enough for anyone - I'm yet to see another builder do as many of the same board at the same time for a bunch of people.
60+ other keyboards I have made for people in and around this community - I'm running at a massive loss on this one, I've charged about 4 people real money in my life for building them keyboards.
I don't even know how many group buys I organised for you lot, but it was loads, and it used to take up my entire evenings often working on that stuff with Bunny. Again, not a complaint I quite enjoyed doing it.
walk a mile in my shoes - then call me a scammer.
Holy **** dude, long time no see. How've you been?
Post by: -musubi on Sat, 19 March 2016, 13:21:05
Hey man, I don't to accuse you of anything but you also seem to ignore my pms when I'm asking about when you can ship the Arctic Lycan I bought from you and your classified topic disappeared... If you have a legit reason it's cool but isn't it all about the communication as you said?The scammer is here - ready to scam you all.Good to see you back! I wouldn't classify you as a "scammer" but holding onto boards for a very long time without responding isn't the best of ways. Epzy for example even considered getting a plane ticket to retrieve the boards cause he couldn't get you to respond. This went on for a really long time afaik a year or so. However after like an hour of me calling you out you get back. I don't want any unnecessary drama and if the boards can be sent back then everything's good.
It's a lot less exciting than that. I barely even took people's stuff out of their boxes.
Lets talk about scamming....
40+ JD40's that ive built - do you know how many JD40's I've got that I've built? None. Do you know how many Bunny has? None. Do you know how much I got paid for that? About, $10 a board pretty much (not a complaint - I quite enjoyed doing them). I did that for all you that bought them. And while I know it wasn't fast enough for anyone - I'm yet to see another builder do as many of the same board at the same time for a bunch of people.
60+ other keyboards I have made for people in and around this community - I'm running at a massive loss on this one, I've charged about 4 people real money in my life for building them keyboards.
I don't even know how many group buys I organised for you lot, but it was loads, and it used to take up my entire evenings often working on that stuff with Bunny. Again, not a complaint I quite enjoyed doing it.
walk a mile in my shoes - then call me a scammer.
Also, doing GB's and losing money on soldering is a great deed, but it doesn't justify 1 year of holding onto boards for thousands of dollars with zero communication. I know you've had some struggles and I hope you have recovered from them as well!
Post by: Signature on Sat, 19 March 2016, 13:38:29
Oh I'm sorry I didn't respond to your PM yesterday, it's going out asap.Hey man, I don't to accuse you of anything but you also seem to ignore my pms when I'm asking about when you can ship the Arctic Lycan I bought from you and your classified topic disappeared... If you have a legit reason it's cool but isn't it all about the communication as you said?The scammer is here - ready to scam you all.Good to see you back! I wouldn't classify you as a "scammer" but holding onto boards for a very long time without responding isn't the best of ways. Epzy for example even considered getting a plane ticket to retrieve the boards cause he couldn't get you to respond. This went on for a really long time afaik a year or so. However after like an hour of me calling you out you get back. I don't want any unnecessary drama and if the boards can be sent back then everything's good.
It's a lot less exciting than that. I barely even took people's stuff out of their boxes.
Lets talk about scamming....
40+ JD40's that ive built - do you know how many JD40's I've got that I've built? None. Do you know how many Bunny has? None. Do you know how much I got paid for that? About, $10 a board pretty much (not a complaint - I quite enjoyed doing them). I did that for all you that bought them. And while I know it wasn't fast enough for anyone - I'm yet to see another builder do as many of the same board at the same time for a bunch of people.
60+ other keyboards I have made for people in and around this community - I'm running at a massive loss on this one, I've charged about 4 people real money in my life for building them keyboards.
I don't even know how many group buys I organised for you lot, but it was loads, and it used to take up my entire evenings often working on that stuff with Bunny. Again, not a complaint I quite enjoyed doing it.
walk a mile in my shoes - then call me a scammer.
Also, doing GB's and losing money on soldering is a great deed, but it doesn't justify 1 year of holding onto boards for thousands of dollars with zero communication. I know you've had some struggles and I hope you have recovered from them as well!
I wouldn't call out on scamming if I don't respond to a pm within 24 hours tho.
(http://i.imgur.com/rNAxBaG.png)
Post by: -musubi on Sat, 19 March 2016, 13:56:52
Yeah I'm not accusing you of scamming at all, just saying that the communication wasn't there so it's kind of scary right? Especially when people usually ship right away after payment, or at least try to let the buyer know if there will be delays.Oh I'm sorry I didn't respond to your PM yesterday, it's going out asap.Hey man, I don't to accuse you of anything but you also seem to ignore my pms when I'm asking about when you can ship the Arctic Lycan I bought from you and your classified topic disappeared... If you have a legit reason it's cool but isn't it all about the communication as you said?The scammer is here - ready to scam you all.Good to see you back! I wouldn't classify you as a "scammer" but holding onto boards for a very long time without responding isn't the best of ways. Epzy for example even considered getting a plane ticket to retrieve the boards cause he couldn't get you to respond. This went on for a really long time afaik a year or so. However after like an hour of me calling you out you get back. I don't want any unnecessary drama and if the boards can be sent back then everything's good.
It's a lot less exciting than that. I barely even took people's stuff out of their boxes.
Lets talk about scamming....
40+ JD40's that ive built - do you know how many JD40's I've got that I've built? None. Do you know how many Bunny has? None. Do you know how much I got paid for that? About, $10 a board pretty much (not a complaint - I quite enjoyed doing them). I did that for all you that bought them. And while I know it wasn't fast enough for anyone - I'm yet to see another builder do as many of the same board at the same time for a bunch of people.
60+ other keyboards I have made for people in and around this community - I'm running at a massive loss on this one, I've charged about 4 people real money in my life for building them keyboards.
I don't even know how many group buys I organised for you lot, but it was loads, and it used to take up my entire evenings often working on that stuff with Bunny. Again, not a complaint I quite enjoyed doing it.
walk a mile in my shoes - then call me a scammer.
Also, doing GB's and losing money on soldering is a great deed, but it doesn't justify 1 year of holding onto boards for thousands of dollars with zero communication. I know you've had some struggles and I hope you have recovered from them as well!
I wouldn't call out on scamming if I don't respond to a pm within 24 hours tho.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/rNAxBaG.png)
I sent payment on March 13 (a week ago), no response to that, then I asked the next day again and then you said you would ship the following day (March 15). Then I asked for another update yesterday, which is the PM you showed so I wouldn't say it was just 24 hours...
I'm not trying to be offensive or anything, just really wondering what the situation is like here since I'm sure no one wants to lose out on anything, and we all want to enjoy our caps!
Post by: Signature on Sat, 19 March 2016, 14:14:40
Do you know what, I'd rather refund you. I was going to send out the cap, yes I'm sorry I haven't done it before but school is taking up time. However when you go out and call me (indirectly) a scammer for sending within a week, I'd rather deal with someone else. It's a privelege to buy a lycan at my price (retail + shipping) and you still *****ed about it in PM's. I don't want to give you that privilege if you are going out and calling me stuff, there are tons of other friends that wants this cap so I'll gladly give it to them.Yeah I'm not accusing you of scamming at all, just saying that the communication wasn't there so it's kind of scary right? Especially when people usually ship right away after payment, or at least try to let the buyer know if there will be delays.Oh I'm sorry I didn't respond to your PM yesterday, it's going out asap.Hey man, I don't to accuse you of anything but you also seem to ignore my pms when I'm asking about when you can ship the Arctic Lycan I bought from you and your classified topic disappeared... If you have a legit reason it's cool but isn't it all about the communication as you said?The scammer is here - ready to scam you all.Good to see you back! I wouldn't classify you as a "scammer" but holding onto boards for a very long time without responding isn't the best of ways. Epzy for example even considered getting a plane ticket to retrieve the boards cause he couldn't get you to respond. This went on for a really long time afaik a year or so. However after like an hour of me calling you out you get back. I don't want any unnecessary drama and if the boards can be sent back then everything's good.
It's a lot less exciting than that. I barely even took people's stuff out of their boxes.
Lets talk about scamming....
40+ JD40's that ive built - do you know how many JD40's I've got that I've built? None. Do you know how many Bunny has? None. Do you know how much I got paid for that? About, $10 a board pretty much (not a complaint - I quite enjoyed doing them). I did that for all you that bought them. And while I know it wasn't fast enough for anyone - I'm yet to see another builder do as many of the same board at the same time for a bunch of people.
60+ other keyboards I have made for people in and around this community - I'm running at a massive loss on this one, I've charged about 4 people real money in my life for building them keyboards.
I don't even know how many group buys I organised for you lot, but it was loads, and it used to take up my entire evenings often working on that stuff with Bunny. Again, not a complaint I quite enjoyed doing it.
walk a mile in my shoes - then call me a scammer.
Also, doing GB's and losing money on soldering is a great deed, but it doesn't justify 1 year of holding onto boards for thousands of dollars with zero communication. I know you've had some struggles and I hope you have recovered from them as well!
I wouldn't call out on scamming if I don't respond to a pm within 24 hours tho.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/rNAxBaG.png)
I sent payment on March 13 (a week ago), no response to that, then I asked the next day again and then you said you would ship the following day (March 15). Then I asked for another update yesterday, which is the PM you showed so I wouldn't say it was just 24 hours...
I'm not trying to be offensive or anything, just really wondering what the situation is like here since I'm sure no one wants to lose out on anything, and we all want to enjoy our caps!
If you don't get the refund within 24 hours, you have something to post about in this thread.
Post by: -musubi on Sat, 19 March 2016, 14:19:32
You could've just said school was taking up time and that you would update me within a week or something, I would've totally understood and given you time. Just from my point of view it was sketchy that you were being active on the forums but not responding to me. Sorry if you feel that way, but honestly who else wouldn't feel the same way I did, especially since I'm new to this kind of thing?Do you know what, I'd rather refund you. I was going to send out the cap, yes I'm sorry I haven't done it before but school is taking up time. However when you go out and call me (indirectly) a scammer for sending within a week, I'd rather deal with someone else. It's a privelege to buy a lycan at my price (retail + shipping) and you still *****ed about it in PM's. I don't want to give you that privilege if you are going out and calling me stuff, there are tons of other friends that wants this cap so I'll gladly give it to them.Yeah I'm not accusing you of scamming at all, just saying that the communication wasn't there so it's kind of scary right? Especially when people usually ship right away after payment, or at least try to let the buyer know if there will be delays.Oh I'm sorry I didn't respond to your PM yesterday, it's going out asap.Hey man, I don't to accuse you of anything but you also seem to ignore my pms when I'm asking about when you can ship the Arctic Lycan I bought from you and your classified topic disappeared... If you have a legit reason it's cool but isn't it all about the communication as you said?The scammer is here - ready to scam you all.Good to see you back! I wouldn't classify you as a "scammer" but holding onto boards for a very long time without responding isn't the best of ways. Epzy for example even considered getting a plane ticket to retrieve the boards cause he couldn't get you to respond. This went on for a really long time afaik a year or so. However after like an hour of me calling you out you get back. I don't want any unnecessary drama and if the boards can be sent back then everything's good.
It's a lot less exciting than that. I barely even took people's stuff out of their boxes.
Lets talk about scamming....
40+ JD40's that ive built - do you know how many JD40's I've got that I've built? None. Do you know how many Bunny has? None. Do you know how much I got paid for that? About, $10 a board pretty much (not a complaint - I quite enjoyed doing them). I did that for all you that bought them. And while I know it wasn't fast enough for anyone - I'm yet to see another builder do as many of the same board at the same time for a bunch of people.
60+ other keyboards I have made for people in and around this community - I'm running at a massive loss on this one, I've charged about 4 people real money in my life for building them keyboards.
I don't even know how many group buys I organised for you lot, but it was loads, and it used to take up my entire evenings often working on that stuff with Bunny. Again, not a complaint I quite enjoyed doing it.
walk a mile in my shoes - then call me a scammer.
Also, doing GB's and losing money on soldering is a great deed, but it doesn't justify 1 year of holding onto boards for thousands of dollars with zero communication. I know you've had some struggles and I hope you have recovered from them as well!
I wouldn't call out on scamming if I don't respond to a pm within 24 hours tho.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/rNAxBaG.png)
I sent payment on March 13 (a week ago), no response to that, then I asked the next day again and then you said you would ship the following day (March 15). Then I asked for another update yesterday, which is the PM you showed so I wouldn't say it was just 24 hours...
I'm not trying to be offensive or anything, just really wondering what the situation is like here since I'm sure no one wants to lose out on anything, and we all want to enjoy our caps!
If you don't get the refund within 24 hours, you have something to post about in this thread.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 19 March 2016, 14:44:10
At what point is delay after delay and excuse after excuse not a scam?
^ Indeed, there is a fine line. Sometimes it is difficult to tell. No one wants to be scammed. :(
This Ivan business is the first time I lost money on a buy. It's not the first time one went south tho. So much risk with this stuff.
Ha yeah, I've somehow wiggled out of a lot of buys that went south, but would still not have my **** had I not backed out/sold my spot on some buys, which is basically a scam after 1+ after the date of promised arrival.
I have a pretty bad track record with buys honestly :confused:
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 19 March 2016, 14:48:35
Also margo scammed some ppl afaik
I highly doubt that's true
I know he has a couple people's boards, including a ton of my own, but he's had some very extreme personal circumstances and hasn't been around, I'm not personally worried at all that my stuff is gone forever, I know he will come through
That being said, if you know something I don't I'd love you to shoot me a pm so I know the story
if you could help epzy get his stuff back from Margo that would be nice, he's been trying for a while apparently.
Epc has been ****ed over so much. But he has some fault in it for not calling people out. A year to get **** shipped and still nothing? Ridic. And then he gets shipped broken **** and is still too chicken **** to say anything. But that seems to be a theme here. Popular GHers get away with bull**** because people are afraid of the backlash.
I F****N LOVE YOU
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 19 March 2016, 14:56:04
Every groupbuy goes through Ebay..
They're insured..
You'll all get your money back..
The ebay fee isn't really that big a deal given the small denominations of items that's being sold.
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Sat, 19 March 2016, 15:03:45
Post by: Michael on Sat, 19 March 2016, 16:19:25
Also margo scammed some ppl afaik
I highly doubt that's true
I know he has a couple people's boards, including a ton of my own, but he's had some very extreme personal circumstances and hasn't been around, I'm not personally worried at all that my stuff is gone forever, I know he will come through
That being said, if you know something I don't I'd love you to shoot me a pm so I know the story
if you could help epzy get his stuff back from Margo that would be nice, he's been trying for a while apparently.
Epc has been ****ed over so much. But he has some fault in it for not calling people out. A year to get **** shipped and still nothing? Ridic. And then he gets shipped broken **** and is still too chicken **** to say anything. But that seems to be a theme here. Popular GHers get away with bull**** because people are afraid of the backlash.
I F****N LOVE YOUDEMIKdemik :-*
(http://i.imgur.com/UIfgtI9.gif)
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 19 March 2016, 16:25:40
Also margo scammed some ppl afaik
I highly doubt that's true
I know he has a couple people's boards, including a ton of my own, but he's had some very extreme personal circumstances and hasn't been around, I'm not personally worried at all that my stuff is gone forever, I know he will come through
That being said, if you know something I don't I'd love you to shoot me a pm so I know the story
if you could help epzy get his stuff back from Margo that would be nice, he's been trying for a while apparently.
Epc has been ****ed over so much. But he has some fault in it for not calling people out. A year to get **** shipped and still nothing? Ridic. And then he gets shipped broken **** and is still too chicken **** to say anything. But that seems to be a theme here. Popular GHers get away with bull**** because people are afraid of the backlash.
I F****N LOVE YOUDEMIKdemik :-*Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/UIfgtI9.gif)
(http://i.giphy.com/ixLYNqV0oMPwQ.gif)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 19 March 2016, 22:19:45
IF YOU ARE PART OF AN IVAN GROUP BUY PLEASE READ
More than a reasonable amount of time has passed for Ivan to come forward and explain the situation.
I am now putting together as much evidence as I can to present to the relevant authorities.
I am calling on everyone who has participated in an affected Group Buy to forward me their relevant PayPal transaction details so that we have a solid case if the time calls for it.
The more evidence we gather, the better chance we have of this being taken seriously and getting our money back.
I am now putting together as much evidence as I can to present to the relevant authorities.
I am calling on everyone who has participated in an affected Group Buy to forward me their relevant PayPal transaction details so that we have a solid case if the time calls for it.
The more evidence we gather, the better chance we have of this being taken seriously and getting our money back.
Please send the following:
- Paypal invoice from Ivan for relevant GB
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]
to
ivanevidence@gmail.com
The more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.
If any moderator wants to come forward and take sole or shared ownership of this email address for the sake of oversight please PM me.
ivanevidence@gmail.com
The more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.
If any moderator wants to come forward and take sole or shared ownership of this email address for the sake of oversight please PM me.
If any of you are worried about sending me your personal information, please PM me and we can discuss you sending your evidence directly when the time calls for it.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 19 March 2016, 22:25:32
(http://www.spanish-only.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/79715770_640.jpg)
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 19 March 2016, 22:25:46
Xpost from Miami Nights and PBT DarkIF YOU ARE PART OF AN IVAN GROUP BUY PLEASE READMore than a reasonable amount of time has passed for Ivan to come forward and explain the situation.
I am now putting together as much evidence as I can to present to the relevant authorities.
I am calling on everyone who has participated in an affected Group Buy to forward me their relevant PayPal transaction details so that we have a solid case if the time calls for it.
The more evidence we gather, the better chance we have of this being taken seriously and getting our money back.Please send the following:- Paypal invoice from Ivan for relevant GB
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]to
ivanevidence@gmail.com
The more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.
If any moderator wants to come forward and take sole or shared ownership of this email address for the sake of oversight please PM me.If any of you are worried about sending me your personal information, please PM me and we can discuss you sending your evidence directly when the time calls for it.
Fantastic. Thanks for doing this :thumb:
Post by: appleonama on Sat, 19 March 2016, 22:26:55
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 19 March 2016, 22:26:57
I hope no one minds me reposting this from time to time in case people don't see it
If you know someone who is affected let them know
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 19 March 2016, 22:34:56
No problem guys
I hope no one minds me reposting this from time to time in case people don't see it
If you know someone who is affected let them know
It's more relevant than 90% of the stuff in the threads now, i dont see why anyone would get pissed about that haha.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 19 March 2016, 22:50:20
No problem guys
I hope no one minds me reposting this from time to time in case people don't see it
If you know someone who is affected let them know
It's more relevant than 90% of the stuff in the threads now, i dont see why anyone would get pissed about that haha.
Well, i mean, gotta clear space for -some- ramen..
Ramen is a priority.
Post by: jaffers on Sat, 19 March 2016, 23:29:19
Post by: romevi on Sat, 19 March 2016, 23:37:19
So when we get all this money from paypal returns and Ivan gets sent to jail, we get the money, and we buy lots and lots of ramen, and then we run a group buy and fund a new ramen company led by tp4, with his knowledge in ramen flavours, and we sell them in south korea, an we have spies over there. And then we get some microelectronics inside the ramen, and then when one of the KKK members (korean kustom keyboards) buys our ramen, the robotic ramen will assemble itself into a spider like thing and crawl out of the packet and hack their computers and download the CAD files for the keyboards and send them back to the western keyboard world and we can reproduce the keyboards for less using capitalistic like methods and make lots of money and make some solid gold keyboards with that profit and we can be like the arabs that have gold lamborghini and **** but keyboards instead
Is the Australian heat getting to you?
Post by: demik on Sun, 20 March 2016, 00:41:53
Also margo scammed some ppl afaik
I highly doubt that's true
I know he has a couple people's boards, including a ton of my own, but he's had some very extreme personal circumstances and hasn't been around, I'm not personally worried at all that my stuff is gone forever, I know he will come through
That being said, if you know something I don't I'd love you to shoot me a pm so I know the story
if you could help epzy get his stuff back from Margo that would be nice, he's been trying for a while apparently.
Epc has been ****ed over so much. But he has some fault in it for not calling people out. A year to get **** shipped and still nothing? Ridic. And then he gets shipped broken **** and is still too chicken **** to say anything. But that seems to be a theme here. Popular GHers get away with bull**** because people are afraid of the backlash.
I F****N LOVE YOUDEMIKdemik :-*
i love me too
Post by: xtrafrood on Sun, 20 March 2016, 01:23:30
Post by: tjcaustin on Sun, 20 March 2016, 02:28:08
Also margo scammed some ppl afaik
I highly doubt that's true
I know he has a couple people's boards, including a ton of my own, but he's had some very extreme personal circumstances and hasn't been around, I'm not personally worried at all that my stuff is gone forever, I know he will come through
That being said, if you know something I don't I'd love you to shoot me a pm so I know the story
if you could help epzy get his stuff back from Margo that would be nice, he's been trying for a while apparently.
Epc has been ****ed over so much. But he has some fault in it for not calling people out. A year to get **** shipped and still nothing? Ridic. And then he gets shipped broken **** and is still too chicken **** to say anything. But that seems to be a theme here. Popular GHers get away with bull**** because people are afraid of the backlash.
I F****N LOVE YOUDEMIKdemik :-*
i love me too
Well, at least someone does?
Post by: jaffers on Sun, 20 March 2016, 05:41:21
Is the Australian heat getting to you?
Yes.
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sun, 20 March 2016, 06:39:40
Wait have you guys legit given up on Ivan?I don't want to, but damn son...
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 20 March 2016, 08:29:32
How many times have you...loved yourself...today?Also margo scammed some ppl afaik
I highly doubt that's true
I know he has a couple people's boards, including a ton of my own, but he's had some very extreme personal circumstances and hasn't been around, I'm not personally worried at all that my stuff is gone forever, I know he will come through
That being said, if you know something I don't I'd love you to shoot me a pm so I know the story
if you could help epzy get his stuff back from Margo that would be nice, he's been trying for a while apparently.
Epc has been ****ed over so much. But he has some fault in it for not calling people out. A year to get **** shipped and still nothing? Ridic. And then he gets shipped broken **** and is still too chicken **** to say anything. But that seems to be a theme here. Popular GHers get away with bull**** because people are afraid of the backlash.
I F****N LOVE YOUDEMIKdemik :-*
i love me too
Post by: korrelate on Sun, 27 March 2016, 19:45:16
I got suckered by Miami Nights also.
Post by: dgneo on Tue, 20 August 2019, 10:54:43
Yes. Epzy where are u
right here! first time seeing this thread :)) still waiting on the 360c and kmac
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80883.msg2800696#msg2800696
Post by: romevi on Tue, 20 August 2019, 11:05:44
The scammer is here - ready to scam you all.
It's a lot less exciting than that. I barely even took people's stuff out of their boxes.
Lets talk about scamming....
40+ JD40's that ive built - do you know how many JD40's I've got that I've built? None. Do you know how many Bunny has? None. Do you know how much I got paid for that? About, $10 a board pretty much (not a complaint - I quite enjoyed doing them). I did that for all you that bought them. And while I know it wasn't fast enough for anyone - I'm yet to see another builder do as many of the same board at the same time for a bunch of people.
60+ other keyboards I have made for people in and around this community - I'm running at a massive loss on this one, I've charged about 4 people real money in my life for building them keyboards.
I don't even know how many group buys I organised for you lot, but it was loads, and it used to take up my entire evenings often working on that stuff with Bunny. Again, not a complaint I quite enjoyed doing it.
walk a mile in my shoes - then call me a scammer.
*drop mic*
*picks it up*
Dude, quit ruining expensive equipment.
lol
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 20 August 2019, 11:55:21
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 20 August 2019, 12:09:15
Not many scam reports of late.. seems like they've moved on from keeb.
This is why this is the perfect time for a skam.
Nobody will expect it !
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 20 August 2019, 12:11:45
This is why this is the perfect time for a skam.
Nobody will expect it !
(https://i.imgur.com/zkdP3qz.gif)
Post by: redbanshee on Tue, 20 August 2019, 13:37:44
Not many scam reports of late.. seems like they've moved on from keeb.
Wish this were true, still ongoing scams:
EM.7 and Dolphin (fu Lynn)
Kira 80 (fu zfrontier)
Post by: Sintpinty on Thu, 22 August 2019, 11:49:37
Still waiting for them to come in the mail :(
Edit: Hyperglides came in :D
Hyperglides are making my productivity mouse smooth as ever!
Post by: nathanchere on Sat, 24 August 2019, 15:07:30
Don't forget the Model F keyboard scam which has, since 2016, been supposedly only a few months away from delivering, and literally every single month without fail the "get your orders in by : (insert last day of current month)" as if it is any kind of deadline to pressure people who don't want to miss out, yet as recently as July they're still encouraging people to share links to get as many people in on the buy as possible (even though manufacturing is again supposedly nearly done).Not many scam reports of late.. seems like they've moved on from keeb.Wish this were true, still ongoing scams:
EM.7 and Dolphin (fu Lynn)
Kira 80 (fu zfrontier)
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 24 August 2019, 16:56:28
EM.7 and Dolphin (fu Lynn)
Kira 80 (fu zfrontier)
Read up on these, they don't seem to be straight scams, Mere Incompetence.
That said, all the best to anyone still crossing fingers arms and thighs for product.
(https://i.imgur.com/qGg7oTJ.gif)
Post by: Sintpinty on Sun, 25 August 2019, 15:00:46
Xpost from Miami Nights and PBT DarkIF YOU ARE PART OF AN IVAN GROUP BUY PLEASE READMore than a reasonable amount of time has passed for Ivan to come forward and explain the situation.
I am now putting together as much evidence as I can to present to the relevant authorities.
I am calling on everyone who has participated in an affected Group Buy to forward me their relevant PayPal transaction details so that we have a solid case if the time calls for it.
The more evidence we gather, the better chance we have of this being taken seriously and getting our money back.Please send the following:- Paypal invoice from Ivan for relevant GB
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]to
ivanevidence@gmail.com
The more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.
If any moderator wants to come forward and take sole or shared ownership of this email address for the sake of oversight please PM me.If any of you are worried about sending me your personal information, please PM me and we can discuss you sending your evidence directly when the time calls for it.
Please explain what this fuss is about.
Post by: dgneo on Sun, 25 August 2019, 15:49:28
Don't forget the Model F keyboard scam which has, since 2016, been supposedly only a few months away from delivering, and literally every single month without fail the "get your orders in by : (insert last day of current month)" as if it is any kind of deadline to pressure people who don't want to miss out, yet as recently as July they're still encouraging people to share links to get as many people in on the buy as possible (even though manufacturing is again supposedly nearly done).Not many scam reports of late.. seems like they've moved on from keeb.Wish this were true, still ongoing scams:
EM.7 and Dolphin (fu Lynn)
Kira 80 (fu zfrontier)
except for the fact that he’s providing regular updates on his thread.
Post by: nathanchere on Mon, 26 August 2019, 06:31:04
(https://i.imgur.com/1jc6wbR.png)
Apparently the project was all but finalised, orders needed to be in ASAP and customers could expect boards to start arriving from April 2016!
Fast-forward to April 2016:
(https://i.imgur.com/AY6tw8r.png)
OK so even though production should have been well under way by now at least to the point of finalising numbers, apparently you can still order for a few more months. OK fair enough, delays happen. No major red flags at this point. But hey, last day to order is June 2016! Don't miss out!
July 2016:
(https://i.imgur.com/5SV2qGB.png)
Hold on, you can still get in for the 'early bird' sales? OK, good for the 'late-comers', and the good news is a lot of the molds to prepare for actual production were finished in May and June (wasn't it already pretty much ready for production before April?).
October 2016:
(http://blob:https://imgur.com/3c9c5da5-a6e6-449d-8a02-342138276ff2)
Soo.... the January promise of April delivery is long gone. 3 months has turned into 9 and we're still making molds? But hey good news, you don't have to miss out! You can still get your orders in by 31st October! :rolleyes: Still on track for delivery in December...
December comes and goes... half of 2017 comes and goes... now well over a year after boards were supposed to start being delivered. No meaningful updates, no explanation what happened yet again to the last delivery timeframe, just another 'get your orders in by the end of this month!" update:
(https://imgur.com/f395700f-911b-45dc-a874-7ccd6b76c723)
I think you get the idea by this point. It's now August 2019. 3 years of the same pattern repeating itself. Perhaps the clearest sign of bullsh*t yet:
(https://i.imgur.com/ilySl9t.png)
Isn't everything manufactured already? Isn't it just assembly? And if it's taking longer because there are so many orders, so what? Should the 'early bird' orders from over 3 years ago already be getting shipped out rather than waiting for all the orders to be ready? Isn't that the point of 'early bird'? And if everything is already manufactured - why trying to 'get the word out' to as many people as possible? Just trying to take in even more money. And conveniently enough, now in August 2019:
(https://imgur.com/933c1880-488b-40fd-8f4f-07e95c8a4c0b)
There sure is a lot of constant playing at "Fear of Missing Out" and time pressuring ("The sooner you order, the sooner your keyboard ships!", "Make sure your order is in by x") which reek of as much credibility as someone selling into a time-share pyramid scheme. Anyone want to take bets on whether the end of August goes and magically the cut-off date for orders is now the end of September?
If these ever do actually materialise for buyers, what is the bet that preference is given to notable buyers (bloggers, youtube reviewers, forum/reddit/etc community leaders etc) but a vast majority of other buyers have other 'complications' with their orders and never see the light of day. For many, way outside the eligible period to make a claim via their credit card (and of course there was no Paypal/etc option with this).
This may have started off with good intentions but my guess would be they realised they were way out of their depth with the project, and rather than do the right thing and issue refunds, went with milking as much money as possible (making more than enough to produce some prototype material which is convincing in photo form but immune to hands-on scrutiny) before someone finally calls them on their bullsh**.
Post by: dgneo on Mon, 26 August 2019, 06:43:41
Let me take you back to January 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1jc6wbR.png)
Apparently the project was all but finalised, orders needed to be in ASAP and customers could expect boards to start arriving from April 2016!
Fast-forward to April 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AY6tw8r.png)
OK so even though production should have been well under way by now at least to the point of finalising numbers, apparently you can still order for a few more months. OK fair enough, delays happen. No major red flags at this point. But hey, last day to order is June 2016! Don't miss out!
July 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5SV2qGB.png)
Hold on, you can still get in for the 'early bird' sales? OK, good for the 'late-comers', and the good news is a lot of the molds to prepare for actual production were finished in May and June (wasn't it already pretty much ready for production before April?).
October 2016:Show Image(http://blob:https://imgur.com/3c9c5da5-a6e6-449d-8a02-342138276ff2)
Soo.... the January promise of April delivery is long gone. 3 months has turned into 9 and we're still making molds? But hey good news, you don't have to miss out! You can still get your orders in by 31st October! :rolleyes: Still on track for delivery in December...
December comes and goes... half of 2017 comes and goes... now well over a year after boards were supposed to start being delivered. No meaningful updates, no explanation what happened yet again to the last delivery timeframe, just another 'get your orders in by the end of this month!" update:Show Image(https://imgur.com/f395700f-911b-45dc-a874-7ccd6b76c723)
I think you get the idea by this point. It's now August 2019. 3 years of the same pattern repeating itself. Perhaps the clearest sign of bullsh*t yet:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ilySl9t.png)
Isn't everything manufactured already? Isn't it just assembly? And if it's taking longer because there are so many orders, so what? Should the 'early bird' orders from over 3 years ago already be getting shipped out rather than waiting for all the orders to be ready? Isn't that the point of 'early bird'? And if everything is already manufactured - why trying to 'get the word out' to as many people as possible? Just trying to take in even more money. And conveniently enough, now in August 2019:Show Image(https://imgur.com/933c1880-488b-40fd-8f4f-07e95c8a4c0b)
There sure is a lot of constant playing at "Fear of Missing Out" and time pressuring ("The sooner you order, the sooner your keyboard ships!", "Make sure your order is in by x") which reek of as much credibility as someone selling into a time-share pyramid scheme. Anyone want to take bets on whether the end of August goes and magically the cut-off date for orders is now the end of September?
If these ever do actually materialise for buyers, what is the bet that preference is given to notable buyers (bloggers, youtube reviewers, forum/reddit/etc community leaders etc) but a vast majority of other buyers have other 'complications' with their orders and never see the light of day. For many, way outside the eligible period to make a claim via their credit card (and of course there was no Paypal/etc option with this).
This may have started off with good intentions but my guess would be they realised they were way out of their depth with the project, and rather than do the right thing and issue refunds, went with milking as much money as possible (making more than enough to produce some prototype material which is convincing in photo form but immune to hands-on scrutiny) before someone finally calls them on their bullsh**.
lol
Post by: Sintpinty on Tue, 27 August 2019, 16:16:35
Let me take you back to January 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1jc6wbR.png)
Apparently the project was all but finalised, orders needed to be in ASAP and customers could expect boards to start arriving from April 2016!
Fast-forward to April 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AY6tw8r.png)
OK so even though production should have been well under way by now at least to the point of finalising numbers, apparently you can still order for a few more months. OK fair enough, delays happen. No major red flags at this point. But hey, last day to order is June 2016! Don't miss out!
July 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5SV2qGB.png)
Hold on, you can still get in for the 'early bird' sales? OK, good for the 'late-comers', and the good news is a lot of the molds to prepare for actual production were finished in May and June (wasn't it already pretty much ready for production before April?).
October 2016:Show Image(http://blob:https://imgur.com/3c9c5da5-a6e6-449d-8a02-342138276ff2)
Soo.... the January promise of April delivery is long gone. 3 months has turned into 9 and we're still making molds? But hey good news, you don't have to miss out! You can still get your orders in by 31st October! :rolleyes: Still on track for delivery in December...
December comes and goes... half of 2017 comes and goes... now well over a year after boards were supposed to start being delivered. No meaningful updates, no explanation what happened yet again to the last delivery timeframe, just another 'get your orders in by the end of this month!" update:Show Image(https://imgur.com/f395700f-911b-45dc-a874-7ccd6b76c723)
I think you get the idea by this point. It's now August 2019. 3 years of the same pattern repeating itself. Perhaps the clearest sign of bullsh*t yet:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ilySl9t.png)
Isn't everything manufactured already? Isn't it just assembly? And if it's taking longer because there are so many orders, so what? Should the 'early bird' orders from over 3 years ago already be getting shipped out rather than waiting for all the orders to be ready? Isn't that the point of 'early bird'? And if everything is already manufactured - why trying to 'get the word out' to as many people as possible? Just trying to take in even more money. And conveniently enough, now in August 2019:Show Image(https://imgur.com/933c1880-488b-40fd-8f4f-07e95c8a4c0b)
There sure is a lot of constant playing at "Fear of Missing Out" and time pressuring ("The sooner you order, the sooner your keyboard ships!", "Make sure your order is in by x") which reek of as much credibility as someone selling into a time-share pyramid scheme. Anyone want to take bets on whether the end of August goes and magically the cut-off date for orders is now the end of September?
If these ever do actually materialise for buyers, what is the bet that preference is given to notable buyers (bloggers, youtube reviewers, forum/reddit/etc community leaders etc) but a vast majority of other buyers have other 'complications' with their orders and never see the light of day. For many, way outside the eligible period to make a claim via their credit card (and of course there was no Paypal/etc option with this).
This may have started off with good intentions but my guess would be they realised they were way out of their depth with the project, and rather than do the right thing and issue refunds, went with milking as much money as possible (making more than enough to produce some prototype material which is convincing in photo form but immune to hands-on scrutiny) before someone finally calls them on their bullsh**.
ok
Post by: fanpeople on Tue, 27 August 2019, 19:23:44
Let me take you back to January 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1jc6wbR.png)
Apparently the project was all but finalised, orders needed to be in ASAP and customers could expect boards to start arriving from April 2016!
Fast-forward to April 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AY6tw8r.png)
OK so even though production should have been well under way by now at least to the point of finalising numbers, apparently you can still order for a few more months. OK fair enough, delays happen. No major red flags at this point. But hey, last day to order is June 2016! Don't miss out!
July 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5SV2qGB.png)
Hold on, you can still get in for the 'early bird' sales? OK, good for the 'late-comers', and the good news is a lot of the molds to prepare for actual production were finished in May and June (wasn't it already pretty much ready for production before April?).
October 2016:Show Image(http://blob:https://imgur.com/3c9c5da5-a6e6-449d-8a02-342138276ff2)
Soo.... the January promise of April delivery is long gone. 3 months has turned into 9 and we're still making molds? But hey good news, you don't have to miss out! You can still get your orders in by 31st October! :rolleyes: Still on track for delivery in December...
December comes and goes... half of 2017 comes and goes... now well over a year after boards were supposed to start being delivered. No meaningful updates, no explanation what happened yet again to the last delivery timeframe, just another 'get your orders in by the end of this month!" update:Show Image(https://imgur.com/f395700f-911b-45dc-a874-7ccd6b76c723)
I think you get the idea by this point. It's now August 2019. 3 years of the same pattern repeating itself. Perhaps the clearest sign of bullsh*t yet:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ilySl9t.png)
Isn't everything manufactured already? Isn't it just assembly? And if it's taking longer because there are so many orders, so what? Should the 'early bird' orders from over 3 years ago already be getting shipped out rather than waiting for all the orders to be ready? Isn't that the point of 'early bird'? And if everything is already manufactured - why trying to 'get the word out' to as many people as possible? Just trying to take in even more money. And conveniently enough, now in August 2019:Show Image(https://imgur.com/933c1880-488b-40fd-8f4f-07e95c8a4c0b)
There sure is a lot of constant playing at "Fear of Missing Out" and time pressuring ("The sooner you order, the sooner your keyboard ships!", "Make sure your order is in by x") which reek of as much credibility as someone selling into a time-share pyramid scheme. Anyone want to take bets on whether the end of August goes and magically the cut-off date for orders is now the end of September?
If these ever do actually materialise for buyers, what is the bet that preference is given to notable buyers (bloggers, youtube reviewers, forum/reddit/etc community leaders etc) but a vast majority of other buyers have other 'complications' with their orders and never see the light of day. For many, way outside the eligible period to make a claim via their credit card (and of course there was no Paypal/etc option with this).
This may have started off with good intentions but my guess would be they realised they were way out of their depth with the project, and rather than do the right thing and issue refunds, went with milking as much money as possible (making more than enough to produce some prototype material which is convincing in photo form but immune to hands-on scrutiny) before someone finally calls them on their bullsh**.
:))
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 27 August 2019, 19:25:58
Let me take you back to January 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1jc6wbR.png)
Apparently the project was all but finalised, orders needed to be in ASAP and customers could expect boards to start arriving from April 2016!
Fast-forward to April 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AY6tw8r.png)
OK so even though production should have been well under way by now at least to the point of finalising numbers, apparently you can still order for a few more months. OK fair enough, delays happen. No major red flags at this point. But hey, last day to order is June 2016! Don't miss out!
July 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5SV2qGB.png)
Hold on, you can still get in for the 'early bird' sales? OK, good for the 'late-comers', and the good news is a lot of the molds to prepare for actual production were finished in May and June (wasn't it already pretty much ready for production before April?).
October 2016:Show Image(http://blob:https://imgur.com/3c9c5da5-a6e6-449d-8a02-342138276ff2)
Soo.... the January promise of April delivery is long gone. 3 months has turned into 9 and we're still making molds? But hey good news, you don't have to miss out! You can still get your orders in by 31st October! :rolleyes: Still on track for delivery in December...
December comes and goes... half of 2017 comes and goes... now well over a year after boards were supposed to start being delivered. No meaningful updates, no explanation what happened yet again to the last delivery timeframe, just another 'get your orders in by the end of this month!" update:Show Image(https://imgur.com/f395700f-911b-45dc-a874-7ccd6b76c723)
I think you get the idea by this point. It's now August 2019. 3 years of the same pattern repeating itself. Perhaps the clearest sign of bullsh*t yet:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ilySl9t.png)
Isn't everything manufactured already? Isn't it just assembly? And if it's taking longer because there are so many orders, so what? Should the 'early bird' orders from over 3 years ago already be getting shipped out rather than waiting for all the orders to be ready? Isn't that the point of 'early bird'? And if everything is already manufactured - why trying to 'get the word out' to as many people as possible? Just trying to take in even more money. And conveniently enough, now in August 2019:Show Image(https://imgur.com/933c1880-488b-40fd-8f4f-07e95c8a4c0b)
There sure is a lot of constant playing at "Fear of Missing Out" and time pressuring ("The sooner you order, the sooner your keyboard ships!", "Make sure your order is in by x") which reek of as much credibility as someone selling into a time-share pyramid scheme. Anyone want to take bets on whether the end of August goes and magically the cut-off date for orders is now the end of September?
If these ever do actually materialise for buyers, what is the bet that preference is given to notable buyers (bloggers, youtube reviewers, forum/reddit/etc community leaders etc) but a vast majority of other buyers have other 'complications' with their orders and never see the light of day. For many, way outside the eligible period to make a claim via their credit card (and of course there was no Paypal/etc option with this).
This may have started off with good intentions but my guess would be they realised they were way out of their depth with the project, and rather than do the right thing and issue refunds, went with milking as much money as possible (making more than enough to produce some prototype material which is convincing in photo form but immune to hands-on scrutiny) before someone finally calls them on their bullsh**.
I thought this buy was over and done with .. People still didn't get their boards yet ? EN MASS non receipt or is it like 10-20% left ?
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 28 August 2019, 03:37:28
I thought this buy was over and done with .. People still didn't get their boards yet ? EN MASS non receipt or is it like 10-20% left ?[/size][/color][/font]
As far as I'm aware it's still 100% non-receipt. To their credit, tying a factory up for 3 1/2 years with alleged ongoing production and assembly is pretty impressive.
Post by: Kavik on Wed, 28 August 2019, 10:06:04
I thought this buy was over and done with .. People still didn't get their boards yet ? EN MASS non receipt or is it like 10-20% left ?[/size][/color][/font]
As far as I'm aware it's still 100% non-receipt. To their credit, tying a factory up for 3 1/2 years with alleged ongoing production and assembly is pretty impressive.
Yes, it's still 100% non-receipt.
My understanding and impression of the whole thing is that he got scammed out of some money for the project (he wrote a blog post about it) because someone impersonated him to the factory or something, but he waited several months - until he got that resolved - to tell anyone, probably because everyone would have flipped **** and demanded refunds which he wouldn't have been able to provide. My impression is that there have been a lot of complications, which have increased the cost of the project beyond what he charged (like the aforementioned scam, his extreme pickiness in parts QA, and also redesigning the case from milled aluminum to cast zinc after the GB started), hence why he keeps the early bird round open (to be able to keep cashflow until R2 when prices increase). I feel he's had to be very careful with his presentation of information since people are generally very reactionary. I understand why some people think it's shady, but, given the press he's received for the project, the length of the project, and the updates with pictures of machinery and keyboard parts (not to mention showing up to KB meetups), I believe he really is working on it, but it was just much harder than he'd anticipated. The perpetually rolling order cutoff date is annoying though. I fell for it myself almost three years ago.
Post by: 1391401 on Sat, 31 August 2019, 14:58:39
Post by: Sintpinty on Sat, 31 August 2019, 19:55:24
Aliexpress is most reliable.
Post by: fanpeople on Sun, 01 September 2019, 05:59:45
Feel so bad for y'all.
Aliexpress is most reliable.
Don't know if tp'd post or srs.
Post by: nathanchere on Mon, 02 September 2019, 09:25:29
Imagine my surprise....
https://imgur.com/nFEjKGz
Post by: Wildcard on Fri, 04 October 2019, 11:49:26
Let me take you back to January 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1jc6wbR.png)
Apparently the project was all but finalised, orders needed to be in ASAP and customers could expect boards to start arriving from April 2016!
Fast-forward to April 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AY6tw8r.png)
OK so even though production should have been well under way by now at least to the point of finalising numbers, apparently you can still order for a few more months. OK fair enough, delays happen. No major red flags at this point. But hey, last day to order is June 2016! Don't miss out!
July 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5SV2qGB.png)
Hold on, you can still get in for the 'early bird' sales? OK, good for the 'late-comers', and the good news is a lot of the molds to prepare for actual production were finished in May and June (wasn't it already pretty much ready for production before April?).
October 2016:Show Image(http://blob:https://imgur.com/3c9c5da5-a6e6-449d-8a02-342138276ff2)
Soo.... the January promise of April delivery is long gone. 3 months has turned into 9 and we're still making molds? But hey good news, you don't have to miss out! You can still get your orders in by 31st October! :rolleyes: Still on track for delivery in December...
December comes and goes... half of 2017 comes and goes... now well over a year after boards were supposed to start being delivered. No meaningful updates, no explanation what happened yet again to the last delivery timeframe, just another 'get your orders in by the end of this month!" update:Show Image(https://imgur.com/f395700f-911b-45dc-a874-7ccd6b76c723)
I think you get the idea by this point. It's now August 2019. 3 years of the same pattern repeating itself. Perhaps the clearest sign of bullsh*t yet:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ilySl9t.png)
Isn't everything manufactured already? Isn't it just assembly? And if it's taking longer because there are so many orders, so what? Should the 'early bird' orders from over 3 years ago already be getting shipped out rather than waiting for all the orders to be ready? Isn't that the point of 'early bird'? And if everything is already manufactured - why trying to 'get the word out' to as many people as possible? Just trying to take in even more money. And conveniently enough, now in August 2019:Show Image(https://imgur.com/933c1880-488b-40fd-8f4f-07e95c8a4c0b)
There sure is a lot of constant playing at "Fear of Missing Out" and time pressuring ("The sooner you order, the sooner your keyboard ships!", "Make sure your order is in by x") which reek of as much credibility as someone selling into a time-share pyramid scheme. Anyone want to take bets on whether the end of August goes and magically the cut-off date for orders is now the end of September?
If these ever do actually materialise for buyers, what is the bet that preference is given to notable buyers (bloggers, youtube reviewers, forum/reddit/etc community leaders etc) but a vast majority of other buyers have other 'complications' with their orders and never see the light of day. For many, way outside the eligible period to make a claim via their credit card (and of course there was no Paypal/etc option with this).
This may have started off with good intentions but my guess would be they realised they were way out of their depth with the project, and rather than do the right thing and issue refunds, went with milking as much money as possible (making more than enough to produce some prototype material which is convincing in photo form but immune to hands-on scrutiny) before someone finally calls them on their bullsh**.
Wow I've really been out of the loop on a lot. So these Type F remakes haven't been delivered to anyone yet? That's really sad.
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 04 October 2019, 12:00:56
Let me take you back to January 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1jc6wbR.png)
Apparently the project was all but finalised, orders needed to be in ASAP and customers could expect boards to start arriving from April 2016!
Fast-forward to April 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AY6tw8r.png)
OK so even though production should have been well under way by now at least to the point of finalising numbers, apparently you can still order for a few more months. OK fair enough, delays happen. No major red flags at this point. But hey, last day to order is June 2016! Don't miss out!
July 2016:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5SV2qGB.png)
Hold on, you can still get in for the 'early bird' sales? OK, good for the 'late-comers', and the good news is a lot of the molds to prepare for actual production were finished in May and June (wasn't it already pretty much ready for production before April?).
October 2016:Show Image(http://blob:https://imgur.com/3c9c5da5-a6e6-449d-8a02-342138276ff2)
Soo.... the January promise of April delivery is long gone. 3 months has turned into 9 and we're still making molds? But hey good news, you don't have to miss out! You can still get your orders in by 31st October! :rolleyes: Still on track for delivery in December...
December comes and goes... half of 2017 comes and goes... now well over a year after boards were supposed to start being delivered. No meaningful updates, no explanation what happened yet again to the last delivery timeframe, just another 'get your orders in by the end of this month!" update:Show Image(https://imgur.com/f395700f-911b-45dc-a874-7ccd6b76c723)
I think you get the idea by this point. It's now August 2019. 3 years of the same pattern repeating itself. Perhaps the clearest sign of bullsh*t yet:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ilySl9t.png)
Isn't everything manufactured already? Isn't it just assembly? And if it's taking longer because there are so many orders, so what? Should the 'early bird' orders from over 3 years ago already be getting shipped out rather than waiting for all the orders to be ready? Isn't that the point of 'early bird'? And if everything is already manufactured - why trying to 'get the word out' to as many people as possible? Just trying to take in even more money. And conveniently enough, now in August 2019:Show Image(https://imgur.com/933c1880-488b-40fd-8f4f-07e95c8a4c0b)
There sure is a lot of constant playing at "Fear of Missing Out" and time pressuring ("The sooner you order, the sooner your keyboard ships!", "Make sure your order is in by x") which reek of as much credibility as someone selling into a time-share pyramid scheme. Anyone want to take bets on whether the end of August goes and magically the cut-off date for orders is now the end of September?
If these ever do actually materialise for buyers, what is the bet that preference is given to notable buyers (bloggers, youtube reviewers, forum/reddit/etc community leaders etc) but a vast majority of other buyers have other 'complications' with their orders and never see the light of day. For many, way outside the eligible period to make a claim via their credit card (and of course there was no Paypal/etc option with this).
This may have started off with good intentions but my guess would be they realised they were way out of their depth with the project, and rather than do the right thing and issue refunds, went with milking as much money as possible (making more than enough to produce some prototype material which is convincing in photo form but immune to hands-on scrutiny) before someone finally calls them on their bullsh**.
Wow I've really been out of the loop on a lot. So these Type F remakes haven't been delivered to anyone yet? That's really sad.
you can actually go to the model f thread and read all the updates yourself, instead of making an uninformed post here, like the asshat you quoted.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 04 October 2019, 12:30:08
Post by: demik on Sun, 06 October 2019, 15:29:53
Post by: nathanchere on Tue, 08 October 2019, 07:25:12
Wow I've really been out of the loop on a lot. So these Type F remakes haven't been delivered to anyone yet? That's really sad.Correct. Award for most creative interpretation of "early bird" goes to... :P
Contrary to the throwaway comments from the asshat a few posts above, nothing has been delivered now 3 1/2 years after supposed delivery date of the original group buy, and still taking orders.
Post by: dgneo on Thu, 10 October 2019, 08:27:08
Wow I've really been out of the loop on a lot. So these Type F remakes haven't been delivered to anyone yet? That's really sad.Correct. Award for most creative interpretation of "early bird" goes to... :P
Contrary to the throwaway comments from the asshat a few posts above, nothing has been delivered now 3 1/2 years after supposed delivery date of the original group buy, and still taking orders.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/030/403/YouMad.jpg?1260647699)
Post by: 1391401 on Mon, 25 November 2019, 01:10:01
Post by: cicada on Sun, 01 March 2020, 03:47:21
Post by: epicfacethe3rd on Tue, 03 March 2020, 12:12:20
>zero mention of any plan to have backlit/doubleshot caps in the future
>buy them as a compromise
>wait
>Massdrop releases identical keycaps but backlit and doubleshot
>my non backlit caps haven't even shipped yet but i can't get out of the groupbuy
>cry over spilled milk
>Massdrop releases custom ultralight geared kylmit made sleeping pad for like $100
>buy it
>pad that is half the weight and cost with much better features announced a week after first group buy ends
>mildly flip my **** this time
granted i got what i bought, but it's still scummy in both cases. that's not what took the cake though
>take a deep breath and justify the $200 or so I've wasted on massdrop so far with this having happened several times now
>decide to wait and watch massdrop for about 3 months to see what happens
>watch them do this with literally everything they sell over and over
literally never buying anything through them again. jfc what a joke. can't believe they have a sponsor spot with LTT still
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 04 March 2020, 04:20:44
(https://i.imgur.com/OxaJqDl.png]https://i.imgur.com/OxaJqDl.png)
With an additional 4 years to get things right, still problems with warped keys, non-functioning keys, dodgy springs (after making a big deal at one point about part of the delay being sourcing custom springs and taking dozens of samples to get them perfect), requiring the few delivered to mess around with firmware flashing to fix debounce issues etc, and first models being predominantly sent out to reviewers or high profile like Notch... I could see Hanlon's razor applying for the most part but not with the continued blatant dodginess about the 'early bird' round and 'get your orders in by {insert end of this month}' for 4 years running. Still smells like an elaborate grift.
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 04 March 2020, 07:29:42
Now over 4 years late, despite in December last year proudly announcing "NOW SHIPPING! Brand New Model F Keyboards" (total shipped at that point: one, yes, 1 - way to clickbait), still haven't even fulfilled 'earlybird' orders from 2016 yet, still taking more orders 'get them in by end of this month! No really this time!' (for literally around the 50th time now):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OxaJqDl.png]https://i.imgur.com/OxaJqDl.png)
With an additional 4 years to get things right, still problems with warped keys, non-functioning keys, dodgy springs (after making a big deal at one point about part of the delay being sourcing custom springs and taking dozens of samples to get them perfect), requiring the few delivered to mess around with firmware flashing to fix debounce issues etc, and first models being predominantly sent out to reviewers or high profile like Notch... I could see Hanlon's razor applying for the most part but not with the continued blatant dodginess about the 'early bird' round and 'get your orders in by {insert end of this month}' for 4 years running. Still smells like an elaborate grift.
and yet he's still shipping orders, still providing support, still posting here
not a scam, for the second time.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 March 2020, 09:26:49
and yet he's still shipping orders, still providing support, still posting here
not a scam, for the second time.
It's very likely the project will be abandoned at this point.
It's not an intentional scam, but the incompetence in this case will likely generate an identical conclusion.
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 04 March 2020, 16:47:34
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 March 2020, 17:04:38
Got a job offer that seemed promising, but turned out to be money laundering for a crypto currency trader.
get'n on the ground floor, gotta hustle.
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 04 March 2020, 18:35:27
and yet he's still shipping orders, still providing support, still posting here
not a scam, for the second time.
It's very likely the project will be abandoned at this point.
It's not an intentional scam, but the incompetence in this case will likely generate an identical conclusion.
have you followed the thread at all? lol
Post by: SixtyLife on Wed, 04 March 2020, 19:10:27
talking out of his assand yet he's still shipping orders, still providing support, still posting here
not a scam, for the second time.
It's very likely the project will be abandoned at this point.
It's not an intentional scam, but the incompetence in this case will likely generate an identical conclusion.
have you followed the thread at all? lol
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 March 2020, 19:27:07
have you followed the thread at all? lol
Don't need to, eventually, he'll get tired and bored. It's already clear he doesn't know what he's doing. Drag this out long enough, he'll throw in the towel.
Post by: SixtyLife on Wed, 04 March 2020, 20:18:57
while you were spending every day of the past 4 years ****posting incessantly on geekhack, ellipse recreated and is mass producing kishsavers and F77s from scratch. every single piece from springs to barrels to pcb to case to keycaps completely from scratch.
have you followed the thread at all? lol
Don't need to, eventually, he'll get tired and bored. It's already clear he doesn't know what he's doing. Drag this out long enough, he'll throw in the towel.
what the hell are you talking about "he doesn't know what he's doing"?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 March 2020, 20:30:16
ellipse recreated and is mass producing kishsavers and F77s from scratch. every single piece from springs to barrels to pcb to case to keycaps completely from scratch.
what the hell are you talking about "he doesn't know what he's doing"?
Going from idea to concept to prototype is one thing, then make hundreds, then managing the producer, leveraging them, making sure they deliver. He's missing a few steps.
This is not something that should take 4 years. If you wanted a keyboard, even from scratch, from concept to tap-out should be ~ 1-2 months from any medium size oem.
I hope it all goes well, and this is not a reflection on his character, but it really seems he's bitten off way too much. In that way one can say it may have been a bit irresponsible to take in funding when his ability to deliver timely isn't there. The crowd is essentially funding an education process for him, be that as it may, 4 years guys, it should not be this long.
To be clear, I'm not saying he's a bad guy, or at all hope the project fails, but 4 years to make a keyboard, I used a harsh word to describe the situation yes.
Post by: dgneo on Thu, 05 March 2020, 08:41:48
ellipse recreated and is mass producing kishsavers and F77s from scratch. every single piece from springs to barrels to pcb to case to keycaps completely from scratch.
what the hell are you talking about "he doesn't know what he's doing"?
Going from idea to concept to prototype is one thing, then make hundreds, then managing the producer, leveraging them, making sure they deliver. He's missing a few steps.
This is not something that should take 4 years. If you wanted a keyboard, even from scratch, from concept to tap-out should be ~ 1-2 months from any medium size oem.
I hope it all goes well, and this is not a reflection on his character, but it really seems he's bitten off way too much. In that way one can say it may have been a bit irresponsible to take in funding when his ability to deliver timely isn't there. The crowd is essentially funding an education process for him, be that as it may, 4 years guys, it should not be this long.
To be clear, I'm not saying he's a bad guy, or at all hope the project fails, but 4 years to make a keyboard, I used a harsh word to describe the situation yes.
holy **** you're delusional, aren't you?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 05 March 2020, 08:43:24
holy **** you're delusional, aren't you?
Apparently yes
Post by: nathanchere on Thu, 05 March 2020, 08:45:55
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 05 March 2020, 08:51:49
While I would disagree with the "from concept to tap-out should be ~ 1-2 months from any medium size oem" part, it's otherwise fair enough. Delays happen but my biggest beef is the continual and intentionally misleading/deceptive behaviour. Even now there are still people expressing FOMO over the 'end of month' deadline which I imagine is precisely the point of it, and the 'earlybird' round is still open despite being more than 4 years late for delivery. When asked what the end of month deadline means, "I've answered that before" - gee thanks! Where? What answer?
We can't say it is deceptive, I think that's been the biggest beef here in the discussion.
It's not deceptive, and ellipse is NOT a villain.
However, the part that seems unfair to the buyer is that, his capabilities were not entirely transparent.
If anyone asked for money, for a keyboard to be delivered in 4 years, would you give him the money, probably not.
We would say in this situation, it's a bit irresponsible for ellipse to be asking that of the customer.
Someone else, whoever is capable of delivering faster on some other project should get our dollars instead. This who-ever, is a more efficient investment.
Not a bad guy, as far as we know, not a scammer.
Given the internet, probably anyone can build a house. But how do we decide who builds house, the guy who's never built a house before ?
So, let's say some guy really wants to build a house, OK, does he go directly to get customers ? No, he shouldn't. He should either take trades-school or join up in a construction crew. THEN, in a couple years, when he can efficiently build a house, THEN he engages with customers.
That is how Every real business works.
Post by: nathanchere on Thu, 05 March 2020, 10:03:00
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 23 April 2020, 11:26:16
ellipse recreated and is mass producing kishsavers and F77s from scratch. every single piece from springs to barrels to pcb to case to keycaps completely from scratch.
what the hell are you talking about "he doesn't know what he's doing"?
Going from idea to concept to prototype is one thing, then make hundreds, then managing the producer, leveraging them, making sure they deliver. He's missing a few steps.
This is not something that should take 4 years. If you wanted a keyboard, even from scratch, from concept to tap-out should be ~ 1-2 months from any medium size oem.
I hope it all goes well, and this is not a reflection on his character, but it really seems he's bitten off way too much. In that way one can say it may have been a bit irresponsible to take in funding when his ability to deliver timely isn't there. The crowd is essentially funding an education process for him, be that as it may, 4 years guys, it should not be this long.
To be clear, I'm not saying he's a bad guy, or at all hope the project fails, but 4 years to make a keyboard, I used a harsh word to describe the situation yes.
tp... Just, no... I can't even muster the strength to properly respond. But no, it's not that easy to reverse engineer a decades-old keyboard with the precision required for an insanely attentive and picky (rightfully so, honestly) customer base.
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 23 April 2020, 12:49:11
I can't even muster the strength to properly respond.
For reasons, mostly money, I have not gotten into this thing personally, but to a mostly disinterested outsider it seems strange.
Aren't these things being manufactured (as opposed to hand-built)? It seems like they have been trickling out at a very slow rate for months now.
If the components are available, why not ship them?
Or is this just round after round of prototyping?
PS - I ignore the proper thread because il looks like an infinite wall of TL;DR
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 23 April 2020, 13:24:47
Or is this just round after round of prototyping?
Basically yes - lots of prototyping and fine-tuning things to perfection (there was a bit of a debacle about the spring sound, for example). I'm sure we could all imagine a scenario where the process went faster and smoother, but that's just not how real life works, and working in manufacturing I can certainly understand how it goes. Maybe you need to drop a supplier and start over with another, machines break, quality issues, etc. We are talking about building components that haven't been manufactured in decades, and the knowledge and experience to produce the parts doesn't get any easier just because someone else has done it at some point in the past.
To be perfectly clear, I'm also not in the GB - felt a bit too risky for me at the time - so I'm also coming at this from a healthily skeptical perspective. My comment was less of an endorsement (though everything I've read has been positive with no major red flags to me), and more to counter tp's comment that it was a scam because it is taking so long.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 23 April 2020, 13:51:05
to counter tp's comment that it was a scam because it is taking so long.
Tp4 has not at any point said it was a Scam. Tp4 only spoke as to the lack of competence / ability to deliver this project timely. Finally, Tp4 has also said, the LONGER investors/ buyers let people run these projects, the more likely they're abandoned.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 23 April 2020, 14:15:26
to counter tp's comment that it was a scam because it is taking so long.
Tp4 has not at any point said it was a Scam. Tp4 only spoke as to the lack of competence / ability to deliver this project timely. Finally, Tp4 has also said, the LONGER investors/ buyers let people run these projects, the more likely they're abandoned.
This is true, my quoted comment was not entirely fair to your initial criticism. I do still think you were a bit too hard on him, and actually I would say that my confidence in the buy has only grown over time given how active and responsive Ellipse is.
Post by: Maledicted on Thu, 23 April 2020, 15:07:39
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 24 April 2020, 09:53:02
I stumbled upon this at random. I have an F77, but only because I got lucky and found it on Ebay. I'm typing on it right now. It is wonderful. The only thing I wish was better was the really thin black usb cable that snakes through a hole in the case. The one that I ordered on the official website, even though I went for a low serial number, and unprinted caps, is still somewhere out in the ether in terms of shipping date.
Have you opened it up? Depending on how it was converted to USB, it may be as simple as unplugging an internal Micro USB plug and swapping the cable. That's how xwhatsit's controller board works, which is what I use in my F62 and F107.
Post by: Maledicted on Fri, 24 April 2020, 10:12:57
I stumbled upon this at random. I have an F77, but only because I got lucky and found it on Ebay. I'm typing on it right now. It is wonderful. The only thing I wish was better was the really thin black usb cable that snakes through a hole in the case. The one that I ordered on the official website, even though I went for a low serial number, and unprinted caps, is still somewhere out in the ether in terms of shipping date.
Have you opened it up? Depending on how it was converted to USB, it may be as simple as unplugging an internal Micro USB plug and swapping the cable. That's how xwhatsit's controller board works, which is what I use in my F62 and F107.
It is probably hard to see in my profile picture, but I actually drilled the hole out large enough to glue a GX12 aviator socket in its place, and made a corresponding cable for it with some gray paracord to match.
(https://i.imgur.com/qdKwWQj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dB9gJhI.jpg?1)
Is your F62 original? I wish I could find an F107. Orihalcon says he has some, but he hasn't responded for a week.
Post by: 1391401 on Fri, 05 June 2020, 09:29:17
Post by: Maledicted on Fri, 05 June 2020, 15:11:43
My model F arrived today - super excited!
Enjoy. You're going to love it. :thumb:
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Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 07 February 2022, 09:09:42