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Are there any KAT sets out right now?Only KAT Alpha, the second is going to be KAT Milkshake
Never tried it, looks nice 🧐
No ISO-FR, no go :-[I second the ISO FR suggestion. If Milkshake and Oasis can do it, then why not Atlantis?
Dark Alt alphas please, this is fantastic.
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You realize Atlantis had been found? And it wasn’t under water? Check the Richart Structure. Aka eye of the Sahara. If you have read the Timeus by Plato.... it’s exactly where he says it should be on a map he drew, it’s the exact diameter, the correct amount of concentric rings, mountains to the north with evidence rivers once flowed down them, opened up to the sea in the south. The list goes on. It’s Atlantis.
Is there any chance you'd consider offering non-themed modifiers?
Love the creativity.
Would you mind putting rows out by the novelties? I think I can guess what they are but I'd rather not risk being wrong. Thanks!
You realize Atlantis had been found? And it wasn’t under water? Check the Richart Structure. Aka eye of the Sahara. If you have read the Timeus by Plato.... it’s exactly where he says it should be on a map he drew, it’s the exact diameter, the correct amount of concentric rings, mountains to the north with evidence rivers once flowed down them, opened up to the sea in the south. The list goes on. It’s Atlantis.sir this is a Wendy's
No ISO-FR, no go :-[I second the ISO FR suggestion. If Milkshake and Oasis can do it, then why not Atlantis?
I will be fixing this! :thumb:
You realize Atlantis had been found? And it wasn’t under water? Check the Richart Structure. Aka eye of the Sahara.What
The circular distribution of ridges and valleys is explained as the formation of cuestas by the differential erosion of alternating hard and soft rock layers uplifted as a dome by an underlying alkaline igneous complex of Cretaceous age.Lets not get to those "alien pyramids" thing again please...
Looks awesome! Gotta ask: any chance of a Colevrak kit?
You realize Atlantis had been found? And it wasn’t under water? Check the Richart Structure. Aka eye of the Sahara. If you have read the Timeus by Plato.... it’s exactly where he says it should be on a map he drew, it’s the exact diameter, the correct amount of concentric rings, mountains to the north with evidence rivers once flowed down them, opened up to the sea in the south. The list goes on. It’s Atlantis.sir this is a Wendy's
also some reading for those gullible enough to think this is believable (https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/no-atlantis-has-not-been-discovered-in-north-africa/)
You realize Atlantis had been found? And it wasn’t under water? Check the Richart Structure. Aka eye of the Sahara. If you have read the Timeus by Plato.... it’s exactly where he says it should be on a map he drew, it’s the exact diameter, the correct amount of concentric rings, mountains to the north with evidence rivers once flowed down them, opened up to the sea in the south. The list goes on. It’s Atlantis.sir this is a Wendy's
also some reading for those gullible enough to think this is believable (https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/no-atlantis-has-not-been-discovered-in-north-africa/)
Not gonna do a full atlantean alphas kit?
.. please mention it in the comments on the Google poll...
.. please mention it in the comments on the Google poll...
Did you forget to link the form? I see the text, but there's no link :)
thanks for giving me something to wake up and laugh at, i appreciate itYou realize Atlantis had been found? And it wasn’t under water? Check the Richart Structure. Aka eye of the Sahara. If you have read the Timeus by Plato.... it’s exactly where he says it should be on a map he drew, it’s the exact diameter, the correct amount of concentric rings, mountains to the north with evidence rivers once flowed down them, opened up to the sea in the south. The list goes on. It’s Atlantis.sir this is a Wendy's
also some reading for those gullible enough to think this is believable (https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/no-atlantis-has-not-been-discovered-in-north-africa/)
That’s so wrong it’s a joke. But if you want to continue believeing every lie you’re fed go ahead. That article says only Plato knew about atlantis when Plato himself said he learned it from an elder in his family who learned it from Egyptians. Not to mention the Egyptians also have many temples describing Atlantis. A shipwreck from Atlantis was found carrying the metal they used to use as described by both Plato and the Egyptians. What are the chances that they both describe something so exact and it happens to be a “natural structure”. I love the explanations of how it formed naturally cause I’ve heard 3 year olds tell more believable lies.
Still no link.. please mention it in the comments on the Google poll...
Did you forget to link the form? I see the text, but there's no link :)
It's at the top of the IC
Google form to help us gauge interest (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdB9gdKi20nMXD3quxiuy8rZMelu7vGg6zmH_Y6n6P9S0ei0A/viewform?usp=sf_link)
I think it may be a Tapatalk issueStill no link.. please mention it in the comments on the Google poll...
Did you forget to link the form? I see the text, but there's no link :)
It's at the top of the IC
Google form to help us gauge interest (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdB9gdKi20nMXD3quxiuy8rZMelu7vGg6zmH_Y6n6P9S0ei0A/viewform?usp=sf_link)
I think it may be a Tapatalk issue
I should have just posted a simple link I guess lolI think it may be a Tapatalk issue
Yep, it's a Tapatalk issue. Perhaps the fancy formatting thrown it ;)
This set needs Atlantis ISO support :))
Is this PBT or double shot ABS?
KAT is PBT :thumb:
Reverse dyesubKAT is PBT :thumb:
How do they get a light on a dark color? Is the entire cap including the sides dye sublimated?
How do they get a light on a dark color? Is the entire cap including the sides dye sublimated?In the case of all-over dye sub, yes. There are cases of double shot PBT (AFAIK only in SA and Cherry profiles so far) but KAT is dye sublimated.
I just noticed this is basically Leviathan but with a different color green. Even both water themed.
I just noticed this is basically Leviathan but with a different color green. Even both water themed.
"this is just another set but the colours are different"
nice
Exactly the same, except the colors, the profile, the font and the noveltiesI just noticed this is basically Leviathan but with a different color green. Even both water themed.
"this is just another set but the colours are different"
niceShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/8XKSgbR.png)
I just noticed this is basically Leviathan but with a different color green. Even both water themed.
"this is just another set but the colours are different"
niceShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/8XKSgbR.png)
Why are there 2 pictures of R2 Olivia? Let's keep it on topic guysI just noticed this is basically Leviathan but with a different color green. Even both water themed.
"this is just another set but the colours are different"
niceShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/8XKSgbR.png)
I don't get it why did you post the same photo twice?
/s (just in case)
I just noticed this is basically Leviathan but with a different color green. Even both water themed.
Glad you like the set! And yes, alternative more normal modifiers will be offered once I get time to update all the new kits being addedI just noticed this is basically Leviathan but with a different color green. Even both water themed.
No it isn't.
- Designer of Leviathan
P.S. This looks amazing Rensuya :) keep up the good work! Count me in! Would you consider doing more "standard" icon mods as an alt mod kit?
Small update: I fixed the "3" keys inccorect legend and have added a novelty for the ISO users.
Also, I'm still considering FR compatability that some of you mentioned. I'm not as familiar with this, so if any of you would like to suggest the keys you would like to see offered in this kit or a separate one then I'll see what I can do :thumb:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UlONB9I.png)
Small update: I fixed the "3" keys inccorect legend and have added a novelty for the ISO users.
Also, I'm still considering FR compatability that some of you mentioned. I'm not as familiar with this, so if any of you would like to suggest the keys you would like to see offered in this kit or a separate one then I'll see what I can do :thumb:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UlONB9I.png)
The easiest way is to take a peek at biip's Kat Milshake for the FR keys ;D It's called "Baguette kit (aka Azerty kit)". Maybe do a standalone kit, because it's a lot of keys compared to ISO-UK.
Wow - this could drive ansi users to iso :eek:Oh yeah, that ISO enter novelty is really awesome ! This is worth getting the set just for it !
What about having Korean on the Alpha sets?
What about having Korean on the Alpha sets?
What about having Korean on the Alpha sets?
Is there a reason why the French kit does not include ISO enter?
And I think the top legend of the * key in the French kit is incorrect, you have it as M, but shouldn't it be µ?
M is the uppercase form of µ. Does the key only allow for lowercase output? (genuine question, I have no experience with AZERTY)There is the ISO FR layout:
Ah, I'd forgotten it was the shifted version. That does make sense - in this case (Atlantis) I think it was a stylistic choice as all the other letters are uppercase.M is the uppercase form of µ. Does the key only allow for lowercase output? (genuine question, I have no experience with AZERTY)There is the ISO FR layout:Show Image(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/KB_France.svg/500px-KB_France.svg.png)
As you can see the M and µ are on different keys, µ is the shifted variant of the * key.
There are 3rd level sublegends too for the right alt combinations ("Alt Gr.")
Ah, I'd forgotten it was the shifted version. That does make sense - in this case (Atlantis) I think it was a stylistic choice as all the other letters are uppercase.Oh true, it's just that M has its own key, that is a specific symbol (and to be honest, almost never used outside of scientific notations...)
YES I love it! I'm 100% in now that Colemak is added :D
Hey guys! I have a big update for you today :D
Changes
-Added French kit
Love this set! Any chance of legends on the ergo set?
Hey guys! I have a big update for you today :D
Changes
-Added French kit
Thanks again !
Edit : Is the french kit complete ? Shouldn't it have the 2 ISO Enter and the 1.25U Shift ?
Colevrak users. Can you help a noob understand this layout? From my research I’m gathering that it’s a combination of Colemak and Dvorak layouts, correct? Is it a more optimal typing layout? Why is an additional key set needed for Colevrak layouts? Thanks for the help!
Ah I see. I’m a moron thanks for the helpColevrak users. Can you help a noob understand this layout? From my research I’m gathering that it’s a combination of Colemak and Dvorak layouts, correct? Is it a more optimal typing layout? Why is an additional key set needed for Colevrak layouts? Thanks for the help!
There is no colevrak layout. It's just a name for an add-on kit that will let you make Colemak, Dovrak, or some other layout when combined with the normal alphas.
Ah, I'd forgotten it was the shifted version. That does make sense - in this case (Atlantis) I think it was a stylistic choice as all the other letters are uppercase.M is the uppercase form of µ. Does the key only allow for lowercase output? (genuine question, I have no experience with AZERTY)There is the ISO FR layout:Show Image(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/KB_France.svg/500px-KB_France.svg.png)
As you can see the M and µ are on different keys, µ is the shifted variant of the * key.
There are 3rd level sublegends too for the right alt combinations ("Alt Gr.")
It looks odd to me because it would mean 2 M keys very close to each other.It is not used indeed. It's only for scientific measurement units.
And while µ is a Greek letter, it isn't used as a letter in French (as far as I know, I'm not a native French speaker).
Ah, I'd forgotten it was the shifted version. That does make sense - in this case (Atlantis) I think it was a stylistic choice as all the other letters are uppercase.M is the uppercase form of µ. Does the key only allow for lowercase output? (genuine question, I have no experience with AZERTY)There is the ISO FR layout:Show Image(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/KB_France.svg/500px-KB_France.svg.png)
As you can see the M and µ are on different keys, µ is the shifted variant of the * key.
There are 3rd level sublegends too for the right alt combinations ("Alt Gr.")
I guess that makes sense then from a design point.
It looks odd to me because it would mean 2 M keys very close to each other.
And while µ is a Greek letter, it isn't used as a letter in French (as far as I know, I'm not a native French speaker).
TILAh, I'd forgotten it was the shifted version. That does make sense - in this case (Atlantis) I think it was a stylistic choice as all the other letters are uppercase.M is the uppercase form of µ. Does the key only allow for lowercase output? (genuine question, I have no experience with AZERTY)There is the ISO FR layout:Show Image(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/KB_France.svg/500px-KB_France.svg.png)
As you can see the M and µ are on different keys, µ is the shifted variant of the * key.
There are 3rd level sublegends too for the right alt combinations ("Alt Gr.")
I guess that makes sense then from a design point.
It looks odd to me because it would mean 2 M keys very close to each other.
And while µ is a Greek letter, it isn't used as a letter in French (as far as I know, I'm not a native French speaker).
It looks odd because that μ is actually µ and therefore shouldn't have been placed in uppercase. I'll explain:
μ (U+03BC) is the Greek lowercase letter mu (from which the Latin letter m was derived).
µ (U+00B5) is the "micro" (10^-6) symbol (which is DERIVED from the letter mu, of course).
French keyboards (and German keyboards, too) have the micro symbol, not the mu letter.
And yes, in some fonts, both characters look the same... others take care to make them a bit different, so you can tell which is which.
I'm taking a second look now at the kits. Why do the ISO and French kits have the Enter key in R1-R2 instead of R2-R3?
In the ISO kit, shouldn't the "upper" R1 line of alphas be marked as R2 as well? Also, it should also contain R2 \| keys (for full support of US English over ISO and ANSISO).
Heck, why is the ISO kit called "ISO", anyways? Given the other two are "French" and "North", why not call this one "English" (as it's meant for UK(+US) English)?
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ISO for me means UK ISO and I believe that's the case for a lot of people. As Jae from Top Clack what ISO is and he will probably not talk about ANSISO :P
Is ANSISO really used as a layout? I assumed it is less used than pure ISO alone but I might be mistaken.
I'm taking a second look now at the kits. Why do the ISO and French kits have the Enter key in R1-R2 instead of R2-R3?
In the ISO kit, shouldn't the "upper" R1 line of alphas be marked as R2 as well? Also, it should also contain R2 \| keys (for full support of US English over ISO and ANSISO).
Heck, why is the ISO kit called "ISO", anyways? Given the other two are "French" and "North", why not call this one "English" (as it's meant for UK(+US) English)?
Enter keys should indeed be R3 and the row "upper" R1 line is indeed a R2 row :) I believe he is going to correct that soon.
ISO for me means UK ISO and I believe that's the case for a lot of people. As Jae from Top Clack what ISO is and he will probably not talk about ANSISO :P
Is ANSISO really used as a layout? I assumed it is less used than pure ISO alone but I might be mistaken.
Just found this and gotta say it looks amazing!!!! Really really looking forward to the GB!
Also, just curious, but why is there a tab key for the alt alphas when it is already in the modifiers kits?
Also, +1 for "KATlantis"
Just found this and gotta say it looks amazing!!!! Really really looking forward to the GB!
Also, just curious, but why is there a tab key for the alt alphas when it is already in the modifiers kits?
Also, +1 for "KATlantis"
That's to allow people that buy that kit and the common alpha kit to fill 2 boards with the modifiers kit, iirc.
I don’t understand why the icon mods have icons and text. Got lazy for the ctrl, alt, win, etc... and didn’t want to make more icons?
Well it's still kind weird though, considering we already have generally-accepted icons for those modifiers (^, ⌥, and ◊). I guess OP just prefers them that way?I don’t understand why the icon mods have icons and text. Got lazy for the ctrl, alt, win, etc... and didn’t want to make more icons?
If this is the first set you've seen with icon mods done this way, I've got news for you buddy
I'm actually in the process of changing the regular "Modifiers" kit to be full atlantean icons instead of just icon with text bottom row.Well it's still kind weird though, considering we already have generally-accepted icons for those modifiers (^, ⌥, and ◊). I guess OP just prefers them that way?I don’t understand why the icon mods have icons and text. Got lazy for the ctrl, alt, win, etc... and didn’t want to make more icons?
If this is the first set you've seen with icon mods done this way, I've got news for you buddy
I'm taking a second look now at the kits. Why do the ISO and French kits have the Enter key in R1-R2 instead of R2-R3?
In the ISO kit, shouldn't the "upper" R1 line of alphas be marked as R2 as well? Also, it should also contain R2 \| keys (for full support of US English over ISO and ANSISO).
Heck, why is the ISO kit called "ISO", anyways? Given the other two are "French" and "North", why not call this one "English" (as it's meant for UK(+US) English)?
Enter keys should indeed be R3 and the row "upper" R1 line is indeed a R2 row :) I believe he is going to correct that soon.
ISO for me means UK ISO and I believe that's the case for a lot of people. As Jae from Top Clack what ISO is and he will probably not talk about ANSISO :P
Is ANSISO really used as a layout? I assumed it is less used than pure ISO alone but I might be mistaken.
KAT row labels are bottom-up, not the typical top-down. Atlantis Text Mod labels are correct. But still, the ISO kit labels aren't perfect.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AgeU9mp.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/d0PLrAW.png)
Please split 40s/ortho like KAT Milkshake for ortho.
If you must combine kits, combine ergo and ortho and regular and 40s. Combining ortho and 40s really makes little sense when you don't have ridiculous MOQ like GMK.
If more people are interested in them being split then I can do that when I go to make kit changes again. :)Please split 40s/ortho like KAT Milkshake for ortho.
If you must combine kits, combine ergo and ortho and regular and 40s. Combining ortho and 40s really makes little sense when you don't have ridiculous MOQ like GMK.
+1, the only reason to put ortho and 40s together is to appease GMK
This is a great set, is there any possibilty of adding a Text Enter Key for the numpad somewhere (unless I just missed it)? Maybe with the Text mods kit or the Numpad kit?
This is a great set, is there any possibilty of adding a Text Enter Key for the numpad somewhere (unless I just missed it)? Maybe with the Text mods kit or the Numpad kit?
That will be added in one of my updates coming up for the set. It was just a key I had left out :thumb:
Really hyped for this set, Rensuya. Can we expect changes in the Ergodox kit according to the related poll ? :)Yes, along with many other changes I'm working on replacing the blanks with legends for the ergo. :)
Really hyped for this set, Rensuya. Can we expect changes in the Ergodox kit according to the related poll ? :)Yes, along with many other changes I'm working on replacing the blanks with legends for the ergo. :)
Please add text version of numpad Enter, ISO Enter and left 1.25u Shift. These 3 keycaps are missing for a full size text modifier only ISO layout.No worries! I had those updated already but just have not uploaded them. Planning to just release all updates at once.
Please add text version of numpad Enter, ISO Enter and left 1.25u Shift. These 3 keycaps are missing for a full size text modifier only ISO layout.No worries! I had those updated already but just have not uploaded them. Planning to just release all updates at once.
Any estimate on when this will go live?Most likely in Q2 2020
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-Added Deskmat
-Added Deskmat
I like the Deskmat. What size will it be?
Argh, i‘m crazy for different country layouts ... now i have to buy greek and korean .... normal alphas have to go ;) .... this will end up as expensive as milkshake.Along with french you mean ?
Argh, i‘m crazy for different country layouts ... now i have to buy greek and korean .... normal alphas have to go ;) .... this will end up as expensive as milkshake.
Argh, i‘m crazy for different country layouts ... now i have to buy greek and korean .... normal alphas have to go ;) .... this will end up as expensive as milkshake.Along with french you mean ?
Yeah and maya letters, nordic runes, klingon, elvish ...Argh, i‘m crazy for different country layouts ... now i have to buy greek and korean .... normal alphas have to go ;) .... this will end up as expensive as milkshake.
You just wait until I popularize the Iberoamerican layout among the masses. ;)
If you could supply that through an European supplier that would be awesome.
Would it be possible to add R3 and R2 1u keys (2 each) to the ergo kit, for boards that support 1u inner mod columns like the Sol 2/Boardwalk?I'll look into it. Can you provide me with an example?
Other than that, gotta say I'm really glad there are custom icons for the kits!
Would it be possible to add R3 and R2 1u keys (2 each) to the ergo kit, for boards that support 1u inner mod columns like the Sol 2/Boardwalk?I'll look into it. Can you provide me with an example?
Other than that, gotta say I'm really glad there are custom icons for the kits!
Thanks, I'll look these over and update the kit!Would it be possible to add R3 and R2 1u keys (2 each) to the ergo kit, for boards that support 1u inner mod columns like the Sol 2/Boardwalk?I'll look into it. Can you provide me with an example?
Other than that, gotta say I'm really glad there are custom icons for the kits!
Here you go! Thanks for considering!
Would it be possible to add R3 and R2 1u keys (2 each) to the ergo kit, for boards that support 1u inner mod columns like the Sol 2/Boardwalk?I'll look into it. Can you provide me with an example?
Other than that, gotta say I'm really glad there are custom icons for the kits!
Here you go! Thanks for considering!
-Removed Extra 5 in numpad (no homing in KAT)
-Removed Extra 5 in numpad (no homing in KAT)
No homing keys in KAT at all? Not even F/J? Or am I misunderstanding?
If you aren't going to split 40s and ortho, can you add two 1.5u space bars to the kit?What board/boards use 1.5 bars?
Would it be possible to add R3 and R2 1u keys (2 each) to the ergo kit, for boards that support 1u inner mod columns like the Sol 2/Boardwalk?I'll look into it. Can you provide me with an example?
Other than that, gotta say I'm really glad there are custom icons for the kits!
Here you go! Thanks for considering!
I updated the kit!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UeoyP05.png)
Corne, Atreus, Minidox and the like.If you aren't going to split 40s and ortho, can you add two 1.5u space bars to the kit?What board/boards use 1.5 bars?
Corne, Atreus, Minidox and the like.If you aren't going to split 40s and ortho, can you add two 1.5u space bars to the kit?What board/boards use 1.5 bars?
Stand alone ortho kits usually have them, but whenever they get thrown in with 40s they are lost.
Corne, Atreus, Minidox and the like.If you aren't going to split 40s and ortho, can you add two 1.5u space bars to the kit?What board/boards use 1.5 bars?
Stand alone ortho kits usually have them, but whenever they get thrown in with 40s they are lost.
Thanks very much for giving us an ISO kit, especially with those novelty keys :D
I would definitely top it off with an R2 \| so that, with one swift stroke(tm), two ISO variants are supported (US + UK).
For your consideration... thank you!
Thanks very much for giving us an ISO kit, especially with those novelty keys :D
I would definitely top it off with an R2 \| so that, with one swift stroke(tm), two ISO variants are supported (US + UK).
For your consideration... thank you!
It's there :thumb:
I know this is superlate to say something like this. I was pondering which alphas would be a great match with the icons. While I have been asking for Hangul monolegend in other sets, but in this set I don't think it's a great fit.
I think this kit would really be amazing with an alpha kit in the same style as the mod icons. Just putting this out there. I know it's late and probably not realistic to expect a complete new alpha design at this point.
I know this is superlate to say something like this. I was pondering which alphas would be a great match with the icons. While I have been asking for Hangul monolegend in other sets, but in this set I don't think it's a great fit.
I think this kit would really be amazing with an alpha kit in the same style as the mod icons. Just putting this out there. I know it's late and probably not realistic to expect a complete new alpha design at this point.
When you say in the same style as the mods, do you mean like make custom alphas that are "Atlantean" themed?
And it's a lot of work do design for no other reason than a cool look.
Please come out with this haha! I've been looking for a sea/marine themed key setDon't worry it's coming Q1 2020. More renders coming as well
As a Greek, the Greek letters seem off. And the lack of ;/: in the "Q" position def kills it for me, I'm sorry.
GreekAs a Greek, the Greek letters seem off. And the lack of ;/: in the "Q" position def kills it for me, I'm sorry.
I think this has been missed, so I'll emphasize it (maybe SomeGreekGuy will confirm) -- the current Greek kit is only 99% the Greek layout. The confusion might be because many Greek keyboards include Qwerty symbols as well.
The letter "Q" doesn't exist in Greek, so the Q key should instead be ; : (semicolon bottom, colon top).
The key to the right of Λ should be ´ ¨ (acute accent bottom, diaresis accent top -- should line up with ' and " on the next key). This is used in combination with vowels to type άέήίόύώ, ϊϋ and even ΐΰ (e.g. for ΐ, by pressing ´ then ¨ then ι).
I think by "seem off", SomeGreekGuy might also mean the font -- are the letters hand drawn? Capital theta needs to have space between the "-" part and the "O" part, it shouldn't touch like a lowercase theta: θ but have a gap as in Θ.
Similarly, the capital psi should be like a U crossed with an I; it shouldn't be like a rounded W with a tail -- one curve, not two: Ψ.
I'm less sure about this, but the omega should probably have less or no vertical "legs": Ω.
Finally, I think the "final sigma" is probably slightly misaligned, as it's actually a lowercase letter. (Uppercase sigma is Σ, lowercase σ is used within words and ς used if it's the last letter of a word: Ὀδυσσεύς = Odysseus.) The "tail" belongs below the line, and the "C" part should be a little smaller than "Ε" or any other capital. I realize this might look slightly odd, but presumably doesn't look any more odd to a Greek than resulting alignment of "_" or "°" keys on other layouts.
Θ Ψ Ω ς
https://www.123rf.com/photo_120615365_greek-keyboard-top-view-of-keys-from-a-black-classic-desktop-keyboard-isolated-on-white-full-alphabe.html is the best picture I can find of a Modern Greek only keyboard (as opposed to Ancient Greek, used by classical historians, or a 2000s+-keyboard, which includes English letters too.)
(If this all seems pedantic, bear in mind that even "tiny" errors like an upside-down capital S would be noticeable.)
French
I'll also strongly suggest replacing * M with * µ on the French layout. In this case, µ isn't a lowercase letter: it's the micro symbol, as in "a hair is about 75µm thick", which could only be capitalized as "75µm THICK", since "75MM" is at best undefined, and at worst might be read as 75mm, 1000× larger,. (Or consider that I can't capitalize "the download runs at 10Mb/s" as "10MB/s", since 10MB/s = 80Mb/s.)
But I don't want either of these kits anyway...
Ergo
I'm interested in either the Orth or Ergo kit -- probably the Ergo kit, as it has many more 1U R1 keys, and lots of 1U thumb keys on my Ergodash (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/501437fce9123ecdaa15e9d15ec325b4) (70 keys total).
The current Ergo render shows some duplicates amongst the 1U R1 keys, namely:
- three Alt/Option keys (if that's the wavy line with a dot below and above)
- three Sys keys (diamond with a centre dot)
- three of the ones with three horizontal lines
- two home (swishy up arrow)
- two end (swishy down arrow)
Pairs of icon mod keys are excellent (I can have Alt, Ctrl, Sys on each side, or use them alone for pretty much anything), but three of the same seems a bit excessive, so I think this is five redundant keys.
Personally, I'd prefer:
- two 1U R1 shift keys
- a 1UC R1 space key
- a 1U R1 enter key
- a 1U R1 backspace key
That still leaves the normal four arrows, three arrow pairs (PgUp/Down, Home/End, maybe that's Raise/Lower), four modifier pairs and delete. That gives plenty of flexibility for larger orth, split, or 3D keyboards.
Hopefully this is useful feedback, it's an excellent design, even if on a board with entirely 1U keys I can't make use of the best novelties.
Like others, I'm registering just to say I love this keycap set!
Do you have a rough idea on when the group buy would go live?
It’s a shame the 40’s/Ortho kit doesn’t have a 1u accent enter key, nor any accent space bars. On my board (ErgoDash) I would only get one accent color key (Escape) in the entire kit. Even buying the creatures kit would only get me one more 1u accent key! With the large number of ortho boards that use 1u enter it would make a big difference to have an accent color option there.I see your point, I could possibly still add one. Which would better in your opinion R2 or R1 enter?
I see your point, I could possible still add one. Which would better in your opinion R2 or R1 enter?
It’s a shame the 40’s/Ortho kit doesn’t have a 1u accent enter key, nor any accent space bars. On my board (ErgoDash) I would only get one accent color key (Escape) in the entire kit. Even buying the creatures kit would only get me one more 1u accent key! With the large number of ortho boards that use 1u enter it would make a big difference to have an accent color option there.I see your point, I could possible still add one. Which would better in your opinion R2 or R1 enter?
Would you consider swapping the plain space bars for accented ones? I can understand that with so many sizes it might not be possible to have both, but if we have to choose one I think most people would prefer the accent color.
Would you consider swapping the plain space bars for accented ones? I can understand that with so many sizes it might not be possible to have both, but if we have to choose one I think most people would prefer the accent color.
Well, I'm not sure sure that's actually true... While I personally also like accented spacebars for ortho very much, we must be impartial and don't push our preferences on others :)
That said, I'm all for it if there's support!
Leave the accent bars out if the kit. If you want accents, which most do, just buy the spacebar kit. I doubt it will cost very much.
Ergo
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Personally, I'd prefer:
- two 1U R1 shift keys
- a 1UC R1 space key
- a 1U R1 enter key
- a 1U R1 backspace key
I appreciate the feedback and interest in interest in my set! I will look into updating the ergo kit. The French kit key you pointed out was an error I forgot to fix.
Leave the accent bars out if the kit. If you want accents, which most do, just buy the spacebar kit. I doubt it will cost very much.
I don’t understand the logic. If most *do* want the accents, why leave it out of the kit?
2 questions:
- Will there be any cable collaboration
- Just to be sure, there's no Enter for ergo kit? both normal and accent.
Just to be sure, there's no Enter for ergo kit? both normal and accent.
Just to be sure, there's no Enter for ergo kit? both normal and accent.
There's a 1U enter (next to the 1U space), but the only 2U vertical enter I see is in the numpad kit.
Update #7: New Deskmat, enter the Kraken! :cool:
Final renders and prices are coming soon..Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wuGWQ2r.jpg)
Working on another deskmat option that's a bit more minimal to go along with the kraken.
What did the original look like?(https://i.imgur.com/klRZdrB.jpg)
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ThanksWhat did the original look like?
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I love the colors of this key set, but I really don't like the icon mods. It would be nice if there was a more standard icon mod set, instead of this "script" stuff.
I love the colors of this key set, but I really don't like the icon mods. It would be nice if there was a more standard icon mod set, instead of this "script" stuff.
The icon mods are one of my favorite parts of this set.
The only thing I do not care for is the text colored homing bar on the homing keys. looks cheap.
I love the colors of this key set, but I really don't like the icon mods. It would be nice if there was a more standard icon mod set, instead of this "script" stuff.There is a text modifiers kit for those who don't like the atlantean icons.
I love the colors of this key set, but I really don't like the icon mods. It would be nice if there was a more standard icon mod set, instead of this "script" stuff.
The icon mods are one of my favorite parts of this set.
The only thing I do not care for is the text colored homing bar on the homing keys. looks cheap.
That's just to show which keys will be homing, the actual keys won't have that.
There is a text modifiers kit for those who don't like the atlantean icons.
I'd love to see text icons for the 40's/Ortho kit. Yes, I know I've already asked once, but I've never received a response about this. Your silence is turning me off from this set. If the answer is no, I can deal with that, but please don't leave me, and the others who inquired, holding out hope for no good reason.
I'd love to see text icons for the 40's/Ortho kit. Yes, I know I've already asked once, but I've never received a response about this. Your silence is turning me off from this set. If the answer is no, I can deal with that, but please don't leave me, and the others who inquired, holding out hope for no good reason.
Possibility of adding a small Mac kit?
I'd love to see text icons for the 40's/Ortho kit. Yes, I know I've already asked once, but I've never received a response about this. Your silence is turning me off from this set. If the answer is no, I can deal with that, but please don't leave me, and the others who inquired, holding out hope for no good reason.
Possibility of adding a small Mac kit?
Here ya go dude :thumb:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hFRLxmI.png)I'd love to see text icons for the 40's/Ortho kit. Yes, I know I've already asked once, but I've never received a response about this. Your silence is turning me off from this set. If the answer is no, I can deal with that, but please don't leave me, and the others who inquired, holding out hope for no good reason.
I do my best to respond to as many as I can but I'm sorry if I missed your comment. I did mention in discord a few days ago that I will not be doing any other 40s/Ortho kits for Atlantis when another user brought it up. So, to your question, no.
Update #9: Added a CMD kit for mac usersShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/hFRLxmI.png)
Also, here are some new renders on ortho for those interested!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Vdw1djC.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/uTkxVEV.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9E8n48r.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QijZZag.png)
Also, here are some new renders on ortho for those interested!
Hey do you have a ballpark on the price? I’m tempted to go for KAT Speciman cause of the cheaper price but I prefer these colors and since Speciman ends in 9 days I’m kinda in a dilemma.
i didn't realize how much I would like ortho. I appreciate the renders~
Update #10: Parital Pricing added & Katakanas
You will notice some of the kits are missing from prices and that's because they have some small changes I made and I'm waiting on the re-quote. I know some of you wanted to know prices to help with your choices in advance, so I hope this helps!
Alphas - $33
ALT Alphas - $47
Korean Alphas - $35
Greek Alphas - $35
Katakanas - $35
Text Modifiers - $60
Icon Modifiers - $60
Numpad - $26
Ergo - $50
French - $22
ISO - $17
North - $33
Spacebars - $22
Colevrak - $26Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8Pmfxei.png)
I can't believe I'm saying this (I'm a total weeb) but I don't get the addition of katakana. It seems off-theme.
Ditto Korean, but those have always been there.
I'm already getting alphas, Greek, and Colevrak. Not sure I'll get the katakanas. :-/
Update #10: Parital Pricing added & Katakanas
You will notice some of the kits are missing from prices and that's because they have some small changes I made and I'm waiting on the re-quote. I know some of you wanted to know prices to help with your choices in advance, so I hope this helps!
Alphas - $33
ALT Alphas - $47
Korean Alphas - $35
Greek Alphas - $35
Katakanas - $35
Text Modifiers - $60
Icon Modifiers - $60
Numpad - $26
Ergo - $50
French - $22
ISO - $17
North - $33
Spacebars - $22
Colevrak - $26Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8Pmfxei.png)
great prices!
just wondering, any update about pricing and final options for the deskmat?
I can't believe I'm saying this (I'm a total weeb) but I don't get the addition of katakana. It seems off-theme.
Ditto Korean, but those have always been there.
I'm already getting alphas, Greek, and Colevrak. Not sure I'll get the katakanas. :-/
Yeah, the Korean was requested early on so I figured why not. The Katakanas I just wanted. Most will probably lean to the Greek, alt, or regular though. At least we have options :DUpdate #10: Parital Pricing added & Katakanas
You will notice some of the kits are missing from prices and that's because they have some small changes I made and I'm waiting on the re-quote. I know some of you wanted to know prices to help with your choices in advance, so I hope this helps!
Alphas - $33
ALT Alphas - $47
Korean Alphas - $35
Greek Alphas - $35
Katakanas - $35
Text Modifiers - $60
Icon Modifiers - $60
Numpad - $26
Ergo - $50
French - $22
ISO - $17
North - $33
Spacebars - $22
Colevrak - $26Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8Pmfxei.png)
great prices!
just wondering, any update about pricing and final options for the deskmat?
I'll see about getting word on that up tomorrow!
Is there any way to get a second tab in the modifiers kits? With a second tab you can buy two alphas and one mod and piece together two different 60%. Also why are there 3 escape keys in the kit?There are four esc keys, because the sculpt of KAT has a different shape for the F-row (R5) to the top of the alpha block (R4). There are two on each row, because the set includes accents and non-accented versions.
Is there any way to get a second tab in the modifiers kits? With a second tab you can buy two alphas and one mod and piece together two different 60%. Also why are there 3 escape keys in the kit?There are four esc keys, because the sculpt of KAT has a different shape for the F-row (R5) to the top of the alpha block (R4). There are two on each row, because the set includes accents and non-accented versions.Show Image(https://img.zfrontier.com/post/20180619/Ft5EqwwOpScqyYfacjR06Dya1KYy?imageView2/2/w/1280/h/960/q/85)
Yeah, the Korean was requested early on so I figured why not. The Katakanas I just wanted. Most will probably lean to the Greek, alt, or regular though. At least we have options :D
Yeah, the Korean was requested early on so I figured why not. The Katakanas I just wanted. Most will probably lean to the Greek, alt, or regular though. At least we have options :D
Agreed. I'm a big fan of how flexible KAT is.
Yeah, the Korean was requested early on so I figured why not. The Katakanas I just wanted. Most will probably lean to the Greek, alt, or regular though. At least we have options :D
Agreed. I'm a big fan of how flexible KAT is.
... and I'm convinced that flexibility isn't being fully taken advantage of. If total number of keycaps spread over whatever amount of kits is the key here, KAT sets should be going the full route and not make a "base alphas" kits + "north"/"south", etc., but instead a full set of kits for each alpha layout ("English (USA) - QWERTY", "English (USA) DVORAK", "English (UK)", "German", "Spanish", "Iberoamerican", "Italian", "Norwegian", "Greek", etc.) plus a full set of kits for most of the common modifiers ("TKL/fullsize", "75%", "60%/65", "1800", etc.), with the more numerous variants (TKL, 65%) even being offered in different styles ("English mods", "Spanish mods", "German mods", "all icons").
MUCH of the work between sets could be shared if agreeing previously to the same font (albeit that would apply to sets where a differing font is a selling point, like Atlantis or Lich, for example).
Yeah, the Korean was requested early on so I figured why not. The Katakanas I just wanted. Most will probably lean to the Greek, alt, or regular though. At least we have options :D
Agreed. I'm a big fan of how flexible KAT is.
... and I'm convinced that flexibility isn't being fully taken advantage of. If total number of keycaps spread over whatever amount of kits is the key here, KAT sets should be going the full route and not make a "base alphas" kits + "north"/"south", etc., but instead a full set of kits for each alpha layout ("English (USA) - QWERTY", "English (USA) DVORAK", "English (UK)", "German", "Spanish", "Iberoamerican", "Italian", "Norwegian", "Greek", etc.) plus a full set of kits for most of the common modifiers ("TKL/fullsize", "75%", "60%/65", "1800", etc.), with the more numerous variants (TKL, 65%) even being offered in different styles ("English mods", "Spanish mods", "German mods", "all icons").
MUCH of the work between sets could be shared if agreeing previously to the same font (albeit that would apply to sets where a differing font is a selling point, like Atlantis or Lich, for example).
That many SKUs would probably be chaotic at best, and pulling teeth at worst, to both the vendor and the manufacturer.
Have ANY KAT sets delivered yet?Has this even ran yet?
I'm in on this and it occurs to me this is the 4th set I've bought without ever touching this profile. :-\
Have ANY KAT sets delivered yet?Yes, KAT Alpha, last year. It's excellent.
This looks awesome! Anyone can point me to pics of KAT and OEM profile side by side? I can only find comparisons with Cherry and SA.
Sorry if we already established this, but the PBT is a matte finish, right? I can't remember if it was KAT or KAM that had a gloss finish in some previous set.That wasn't a mandatory gloss. KAM starry night was glossy. KAM wraith isn't. Think it's up to the manufacturer.
Biip was unhappy with glossy and had them build matte molds for KAM Wraith.Sorry if we already established this, but the PBT is a matte finish, right? I can't remember if it was KAT or KAM that had a gloss finish in some previous set.That wasn't a mandatory gloss. KAM starry night was glossy. KAM wraith isn't. Think it's up to the manufacturer.
Haha. Well there we go. Personally I like both.Biip was unhappy with glossy and had them build matte molds for KAM Wraith.Sorry if we already established this, but the PBT is a matte finish, right? I can't remember if it was KAT or KAM that had a gloss finish in some previous set.That wasn't a mandatory gloss. KAM starry night was glossy. KAM wraith isn't. Think it's up to the manufacturer.
Hopefully this can helpShow Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1994/3097/products/kat-profile-wireframe-min_1050x700.jpg?v=1553120192)
This looks awesome! Anyone can point me to pics of KAT and OEM profile side by side? I can only find comparisons with Cherry and SA.
I'm not aware of a KAT/OEM comparison. But OEM is very similar to Cherry, just slightly taller - see below. Keeping this in mind, maybe the KAT/Cherry comparison is helpful?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aiTtaYe.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gFyLao8.jpg)
They might look weird, but I'm sure you'd adjust. If anything it might make those clusters easier to find. Dunno if wasd would work tho for normal typing.Hopefully this can helpShow Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1994/3097/products/kat-profile-wireframe-min_1050x700.jpg?v=1553120192)This looks awesome! Anyone can point me to pics of KAT and OEM profile side by side? I can only find comparisons with Cherry and SA.
I'm not aware of a KAT/OEM comparison. But OEM is very similar to Cherry, just slightly taller - see below. Keeping this in mind, maybe the KAT/Cherry comparison is helpful?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aiTtaYe.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gFyLao8.jpg)
Thanks for trying to help. I'd seen both pics before asking. I use a 75% board without any separation for the arrow or function keys (a la satisfaction, evolv, bella, etc). I use different material keys (steel, wood) so that I can feel a difference.
Problem is most all of these odd keycaps are OEM and I was wondering if I'd still be able to use em without it appearing too weird.
I'm guessing yes since the height of KAT and OEM look similar.
Hopefully this can helpShow Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1994/3097/products/kat-profile-wireframe-min_1050x700.jpg?v=1553120192)This looks awesome! Anyone can point me to pics of KAT and OEM profile side by side? I can only find comparisons with Cherry and SA.
I'm not aware of a KAT/OEM comparison. But OEM is very similar to Cherry, just slightly taller - see below. Keeping this in mind, maybe the KAT/Cherry comparison is helpful?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aiTtaYe.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gFyLao8.jpg)
Thanks for trying to help. I'd seen both pics before asking. I use a 75% board without any separation for the arrow or function keys (a la satisfaction, evolv, bella, etc). I use different material keys (steel, wood) so that I can feel a difference.
Problem is most all of these odd keycaps are OEM and I was wondering if I'd still be able to use em without it appearing too weird.
I'm guessing yes since the height of KAT and OEM look similar.
Personally I like KAT for the less pronounced ridges on the top. Imo it makes typing easier
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I think it's def better and more "normal". I could never get into SA or like MT3. Always felt like a workout to get fingers in the right position.Personally I like KAT for the less pronounced ridges on the top. Imo it makes typing easier
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What do you think about the height? I’ve always been interested in spherical tops but as a mostly GMK person, SA is unusably tall to me. KAT caught my eye because it’s significantly shorter.
I think it's def better and more "normal". I could never get into SA or like MT3. Always felt like a workout to get fingers in the right position.Personally I like KAT for the less pronounced ridges on the top. Imo it makes typing easier
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What do you think about the height? I’ve always been interested in spherical tops but as a mostly GMK person, SA is unusably tall to me. KAT caught my eye because it’s significantly shorter.
Update #12: Rama Cap & Artisan Collabs! 2/17
We will also have some artisan collabs for Atlantis (no pics yet but will post when I have)
Makers
Alphakeycaps
Sodiecaps
CYSM
Fraktal Kaps
Navacaps
SwampsterShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/N151LQn.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/2dZrd86.png)
Are the homing keys deep dish or barred? It's hard to tell from the renders.
Is pricing finalized on the Rama cap? I assume probation around that of their other caps?Yeah, the price will be just like other ones. Should cost same as lucky jade one.
Are these colours matched against anything? Just trying to get a better sense of what to expect.The turquoise is VBV which is basically hyperfuse. The navy is very similar to mizu navy
GB is live on Cannon Keys! Woohoo!Shipping is probably due to weight and awkward shape. Though it does differ from site to site.
Couple of questions since I know it will probably be a few days before a GB thread pops up.
Why is the deskmat shipping so expensive? (Nearly the same cost of the deskmat itself)
Why do I have to order the deskmat separately from the keycaps? Is this just a Cannon Keys thing?
GB is live on Cannon Keys! Woohoo!Shipping is probably due to weight and awkward shape. Though it does differ from site to site.
Couple of questions since I know it will probably be a few days before a GB thread pops up.
Why is the deskmat shipping so expensive? (Nearly the same cost of the deskmat itself)
Why do I have to order the deskmat separately from the keycaps? Is this just a Cannon Keys thing?
As for separate mats, that's always the case for GBs. Because they are ordered separately, come in separately, and are delivered separately. Makes tracking and inventory so much easier. And means they don't have to store mats while waiting for keycaps which usually take longer.