[GB] SA Oblivion - CONCLUDED

[merintil]

GMK Oblivion would be pretty sweet!

Would you be considering any custom colors? I am assuming the colors on keyboard-layout-editor are accurate for GMK, and some of the modifier colors pop out a little bit more than the renders you currently have.

With GMK Penumbra, the modifiers definitely pop out a lot more in comparison to SA Penumbra. I think it can put some people off, but I think it works with GMK. Though, some of colors are really bright.

[Ouhei]

Been following this thread for a while. GMK would definitely be interesting, can't wait to see renders!

[tofgerl]

I don't like this colorway for GMK, but others do, so go for it

I think I might be a GMK-conservative... 

[Vigrith]

I don't like this colorway for GMK, but others do, so go for it

I think I might be a GMK-conservative... 

I love certain sets in GMK, Hydro, Honeywell, Carbon, Muted etc. all scream GMK to me, this one however does not and neither does Penumbra - the white alphas will probably look great and though I have my doubts with the grey ones, I think it'll still look good. Just not as good a fit as SA, in my personal opinion!

[Oblotzky]

MENU on Oblivion and Monochrome modifiers has been changed to META. MENU felt too Windows which I already replaced with CODE entirely.

Added another M65 render with Hagoromo alphas, the first one (with Oblivion Alphas) has received a different bottom row.

[tofgerl]

Hyper would be better, that's actually a key many of us use...

[chuckdee]

I don't like this colorway for GMK, but others do, so go for it

I think I might be a GMK-conservative... 

I love certain sets in GMK, Hydro, Honeywell, Carbon, Muted etc. all scream GMK to me, this one however does not and neither does Penumbra - the white alphas will probably look great and though I have my doubts with the grey ones, I think it'll still look good. Just not as good a fit as SA, in my personal opinion!

For me, it's all in the intersection between usefulness and aesthetics.  And GMK has become my goto in those regards.  I also love their pricing and sets for covering whatever board I want to use, in general.

[imprevade]

GMK Penumbra looks like garbage. Felt like a money-grab to me. If you do bring this out as GMK, I hope you can stay true to the colors and legends you have here in the SA renders. Don't be in such a rush to bring a keyset to production. You have a really strong and well-thought design here—and a lot of people are looking forward to it. The fruit is much sweeter when you let it ripen. 

Also, the focal length on this camera is killing me inside.

[Oblotzky]

Also, the focal length on this camera is killing me inside.
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O R T H O G O N A L L I F E

I feel it suits Rama's designs

And regarding GMK legends, I have plans, don't worry 

[chuckdee]

GMK Penumbra looks like garbage. Felt like a money-grab to me.   

Opinions do vary. 

[imprevade]

Also, the focal length on this camera is killing me inside.
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O R T H O G O N A L L I F E

I feel it suits Rama's designs

And regarding GMK legends, I have plans, don't worry 

It's not orthogonal. I think you meant isometric—but it's not isometric either. It's distorted and looks like the keyboard has been twisted.

[Oblotzky]

Also, the focal length on this camera is killing me inside.
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O R T H O G O N A L L I F E

I feel it suits Rama's designs

And regarding GMK legends, I have plans, don't worry 

It's not orthogonal. I think you meant isometric—but it's not isometric either. It's distorted and looks like the keyboard has been twisted.

Sorry, Orthographic

Ortholinear, Orthogonal, who can keep track?

Edit: Made it less 'twisted' 

[clappingcactus]

So aside from waiting on the drop to happen, is there anything else you're planning on changing about the set?

To my eyes, the bottom row on a TKL having a majority of keys with blue legends might look colour-wise asymmetrical in an unpleasant way? The way you have the ergodox set colours laid out so no two of the same colour are near each other should apply elsewhere as well.

I'm sorry, I know I'm late with this kind of commentary, but I only decided recently I'd be going in on this buy.

[Oblotzky]

So aside from waiting on the drop to happen, is there anything else you're planning on changing about the set?

To my eyes, the bottom row on a TKL having a majority of keys with blue legends might look colour-wise asymmetrical in an unpleasant way? The way you have the ergodox set colours laid out so no two of the same colour are near each other should apply elsewhere as well.

I'm sorry, I know I'm late with this kind of commentary, but I only decided recently I'd be going in on this buy.

#1 Keycount wise I do not see any changes necessary at this point, I might however add a Minila kit as that board is very popular over in Asia, and they do love SA. Aside from that, I might come around to the legends from time to time, look at them with fresh eyes, e.g. considering making the numpad enter legend vertical to have the color be spread a bit more, and I do like the look of it. Or changing the git's INIT command to CHECKOUT when I do it vertically. So mostly just waiting and finetuning.

#2 I am very happy with the bottom row, I feel with the one red key on each side, or even just blue on winkeyless boards it has a good color balance. I tried using purple on the META/FUNC key. On the ergodox, the 'bottom row' of the alphas cluster is not really the bottom of the board, the thumbs cluster to the left/right of it sortof continues it and having that all blue as well would be too much blue. So going all christmas tree there is the way to go.

#3 No problem, feedback is always welcome, but I'll be shutting the gate for sure like 1 month ahead of the drop. Should still be plenty of time, after which I would only fix technical errors. I'll be going over the kits once a month or so making sure each key has its purpose and doublecheck with layouts that nothing is missing. If you have a special layout that I claim to be covered, please go over it and approve it!

[jebbra]

Given how low SP's MOQ, how about providing Assembly, 40bit, and Ergodox a monochrome alternatives too? I know it contradict the concept where on the monochrome it always real legend not novelty text. I just wanna speak my mind here

Sure will get both monochrome and colored if happened, so I can have full control over the color placement 

[fouras]

Any chance of including a couple R1 caps with the ortho kit? It'd be nice if you could have fully dark gray sides on a Preonic.

[Oblotzky]

Given how low SP's MOQ, how about providing Assembly, 40bit, and Ergodox a monochrome alternatives too? I know it contradict the concept where on the monochrome it always real legend not novelty text. I just wanna speak my mind here

Sure will get both monochrome and colored if happened, so I can have full control over the color placement 

I have thought about that too some time ago, Assembly in Monochrome would look dope for sure, but idk man. 25 kits already! I think it could hit MOQ on those too though...

Any chance of including a couple R1 caps with the ortho kit? It'd be nice if you could have fully dark gray sides on a Preonic.

Good idea, I will look into that. Would you want ~ and + keys in mod color or additional Assembly mods for their place? I'd say the first option makes more sense.

[fouras]

Good idea, I will look into that. Would you want ~ and + keys in mod color or additional Assembly mods for their place? I'd say the first option makes more sense.

Personally, assembly mods would be more desirable. I wouldn't want those keys bound to ~/+, and most Preonic owners on r/mk don't seem to be using that combination either.

[jebbra]

Given how low SP's MOQ, how about providing Assembly, 40bit, and Ergodox a monochrome alternatives too? I know it contradict the concept where on the monochrome it always real legend not novelty text. I just wanna speak my mind here

Sure will get both monochrome and colored if happened, so I can have full control over the color placement 

I have thought about that too some time ago, Assembly in Monochrome would look dope for sure, but idk man. 25 kits already! I think it could hit MOQ on those too though...

Any chance of including a couple R1 caps with the ortho kit? It'd be nice if you could have fully dark gray sides on a Preonic.

Good idea, I will look into that. Would you want ~ and + keys in mod color or additional Assembly mods for their place? I'd say the first option makes more sense.

Yeah effin 25 kits lol, this starting to become 7bit day by day but this is more fun because yours are easier to see-decide-order. Btw, if you use standard legend on Assembly I bet it will be cheaper because SP already has the mold for it (just use Godspeed formation), so why not? >

About the R1 for preonic, I vote for another assembly mods instead of ~ and + because it didn't make sense in a way—if you use ~ on the top left there won't be + because it stop at - and if you do that, well that will be a weird looking layout.

[Oblotzky]

Personally, assembly mods would be more desirable. I wouldn't want those keys bound to ~/+, and most Preonic owners on r/mk don't seem to be using that combination either.

About the R1 for preonic, I vote for another assembly mods instead of ~ and + because it didn't make sense in a way—if you use ~ on the top left there won't be + because it stop at - and if you do that, well that will be a weird looking layout.

Okay makes sense, R1 assembly mods it is. I'll need to check how it works out with the color distribution tho.

Btw, if you use standard legend on Assembly I bet it will be cheaper because SP already has the mold for it (just use Godspeed formation), so why not? >

The assembly legends are shared across 3 kits so it's fine. Plus people would murder me if I ditched them, they are superb.

[jebbra]

LOL SORRY! What I mean is you use the normal legend on MONOCHROME ASSEMBLY, I forgot to mention the monochrome








PS I too will murder you if you remove them colored mod.

[Oblotzky]

LOL SORRY! What I mean is you use the normal legend on MONOCHROME ASSEMBLY, I forgot to mention the monochrome








PS I too will murder you if you remove them colored mod.

Well that doesn't make much sense, because if I already do colored Assembly legends, then using standard legends for a monochrome kit won't make any difference price wise as the molds are finished for the colored kit already. 

[jebbra]

LOL SORRY! What I mean is you use the normal legend on MONOCHROME ASSEMBLY, I forgot to mention the monochrome


PS I too will murder you if you remove them colored mod.

Well that doesn't make much sense, because if I already do colored Assembly legends, then using standard legends for a monochrome kit won't make any difference price wise as the molds are finished for the colored kit already. 

My thought is: new doubleshot legend require new mould > new mould require additional cost. If we use godspeed configuration it means we aren't using new mold (just changing colors) > there won't be additional cost > cheaper. No?

[Oblotzky]

LOL SORRY! What I mean is you use the normal legend on MONOCHROME ASSEMBLY, I forgot to mention the monochrome


PS I too will murder you if you remove them colored mod.

Well that doesn't make much sense, because if I already do colored Assembly legends, then using standard legends for a monochrome kit won't make any difference price wise as the molds are finished for the colored kit already. 

My thought is: new doubleshot legend require new mould > new mould require additional cost. If we use godspeed configuration it means we aren't using new mold (just changing colors) > there won't be additional cost > cheaper. No?

Okay I'm a bit confused now. We might be talking about different things because of my genius naming of the kits here. the 'Assembly' kit (lets call it Ortho for a moment because: ) uses so called Assembly legends, Assembly is a very low level programming language for computers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_language

When you said to use regular legends on the MONOCHROME ASEEMBLY, I assumed you ment the original Ortho kit with XOR, ADD, SUB legends etc should be kept that way, but the Monochrome version should use SHIFT, LOWER, RAISE etc. And that is what made very little sense to me because the first kit would already have the new legends made, so the second one could use them as well at no extra charge.

But in any case. the >Assembly< legends (XOR, ADD, SUB) are here to stay 100%, if I'm not mistaken, there are a total of 19 new legends to be made for all three kits that use them (the Ortho set, 40bit and Ergodox), and I think that is fine. So that only leaves the question: Do I want to go all 7bit on this set and add Monochrome Assembly, Monochrome 40bit and Monochrome Ergodox 

[KnightDX]

I take it GMK is planned to drop before SA , if so is there anyone planning on getting both?

[Oblotzky]

I take it GMK is planned to drop before SA , if so is there anyone planning on getting both?

#1 Correct, GMK will have it's group buy in a week or so, SA in Q3 2017. GMK will not be through Massdrop.
#2 Me

[KnightDX]

I take it GMK is planned to drop before SA , if so is there anyone planning on getting both?

#1 Correct, GMK will have it's group buy in a week or so, SA in Q3 2017. GMK will not be through Massdrop.
#2 Me

I really appreciate the swift reply, I will more then likely end up with both too

[elfick]

I take it GMK is planned to drop before SA , if so is there anyone planning on getting both?

#1 Correct, GMK will have it's group buy in a week or so, SA in Q3 2017. GMK will not be through Massdrop.
#2 Me

Will you be handling the GMK GB yourself or using a facilitator (if so, whom)?

[Oblotzky]

I take it GMK is planned to drop before SA , if so is there anyone planning on getting both?

#1 Correct, GMK will have it's group buy in a week or so, SA in Q3 2017. GMK will not be through Massdrop.
#2 Me

Will you be handling the GMK GB yourself or using a facilitator (if so, whom)?

I'm not insane, someone with a good reputation will be doing it who will announce the GB in a weeks time.

[tofgerl]

Yeah, the forum group buy time is ovah. For the volumes we're talking about right now Massdrop, Originative or KeyClacks are basically the only players.

[elfick]

I take it GMK is planned to drop before SA , if so is there anyone planning on getting both?

#1 Correct, GMK will have it's group buy in a week or so, SA in Q3 2017. GMK will not be through Massdrop.
#2 Me

Will you be handling the GMK GB yourself or using a facilitator (if so, whom)?

I'm not insane, someone with a good reputation will be doing it who will announce the GB in a weeks time.

I'm not too sure about that first part, but I just got done reading the GMK Oblivion thread and saw that you already mentioned the second part a couple of times. My apologies. 

[jebbra]

LOL SORRY! What I mean is you use the normal legend on MONOCHROME ASSEMBLY, I forgot to mention the monochrome


PS I too will murder you if you remove them colored mod.

Well that doesn't make much sense, because if I already do colored Assembly legends, then using standard legends for a monochrome kit won't make any difference price wise as the molds are finished for the colored kit already. 

My thought is: new doubleshot legend require new mould > new mould require additional cost. If we use godspeed configuration it means we aren't using new mold (just changing colors) > there won't be additional cost > cheaper. No?

Okay I'm a bit confused now. We might be talking about different things because of my genius naming of the kits here. the 'Assembly' kit (lets call it Ortho for a moment because: ) uses so called Assembly legends, Assembly is a very low level programming language for computers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_language

When you said to use regular legends on the MONOCHROME ASEEMBLY, I assumed you ment the original Ortho kit with XOR, ADD, SUB legends etc should be kept that way, but the Monochrome version should use SHIFT, LOWER, RAISE etc. And that is what made very little sense to me because the first kit would already have the new legends made, so the second one could use them as well at no extra charge.

But in any case. the >Assembly< legends (XOR, ADD, SUB) are here to stay 100%, if I'm not mistaken, there are a total of 19 new legends to be made for all three kits that use them (the Ortho set, 40bit and Ergodox), and I think that is fine. So that only leaves the question: Do I want to go all 7bit on this set and add Monochrome Assembly, Monochrome 40bit and Monochrome Ergodox 

Agree, XOR ADD SUB and their friends should be there no matter what happen. I was suggesting the monochrome counterpart to use the normal CTRL ALT SHIFT etc to follow the fashion of monochrome TKL, Tsafox. But yes it's up to you whether you wanna go 7bit or not 

[hashbaz]

Just noticed this set, can't wait for the drop.

SA >> GMK

[joelfong]

Nice! Looking forward to the drop. (:

[TelFiRE]

Hi,
I'm a pleb so I don't know how these work. This is the first keyset I've seen that I really like the colors of, but I wonder would it be possible to order it all dark and with the green text on all mods? I have a very green theme going on


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[Oblotzky]

Hi,
I'm a pleb so I don't know how these work. This is the first keyset I've seen that I really like the colors of, but I wonder would it be possible to order it all dark and with the green text on all mods? I have a very green theme going on


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Hey, welcome! Sadly this is not possible because the legends are not printed on the keys (known as pad printing) but done via double shot injection molding. This means they would need to fill the machine with green plastic, and then cycle through all the molds for the modifier legends and pop out one of each. This would cost them a lot of time and thus money, so unless you wave at them with a fat wallet, you are out of luck I'm afraid.

Another SA project, Green Screen, is your best bet https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75607.0 though #1 the alphas are green not the modifiers, and #2 the person running the set hasn't logged in for half a year so it might be dead I'm afraid.

And because I was bored, here is what you proposed would have looked like.

[chuckdee]

You could also consider GMK Terminal, though it is again with all of the keys that color, and of course, it's GMK.

https://thekey.company/collections/frontpage/products/gb-gmk-terminal_-preorder

[tofgerl]

Hi,
I'm a pleb so I don't know how these work. This is the first keyset I've seen that I really like the colors of, but I wonder would it be possible to order it all dark and with the green text on all mods? I have a very green theme going on


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Hey, welcome! Sadly this is not possible because the legends are not printed on the keys (known as pad printing) but done via double shot injection molding. This means they would need to fill the machine with green plastic, and then cycle through all the molds for the modifier legends and pop out one of each. This would cost them a lot of time and thus money, so unless you wave at them with a fat wallet, you are out of luck I'm afraid.

Another SA project, Green Screen, is your best bet https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75607.0 though #1 the alphas are green not the modifiers, and #2 the person running the set hasn't logged in for half a year so it might be dead I'm afraid.

And because I was bored, here is what you proposed would have looked like.

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Doesn't look half bad, but clearly the original is better...

[chuckdee]

Hi,
I'm a pleb so I don't know how these work. This is the first keyset I've seen that I really like the colors of, but I wonder would it be possible to order it all dark and with the green text on all mods? I have a very green theme going on


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Hey, welcome! Sadly this is not possible because the legends are not printed on the keys (known as pad printing) but done via double shot injection molding. This means they would need to fill the machine with green plastic, and then cycle through all the molds for the modifier legends and pop out one of each. This would cost them a lot of time and thus money, so unless you wave at them with a fat wallet, you are out of luck I'm afraid.

Another SA project, Green Screen, is your best bet https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75607.0 though #1 the alphas are green not the modifiers, and #2 the person running the set hasn't logged in for half a year so it might be dead I'm afraid.

And because I was bored, here is what you proposed would have looked like.

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I wish I was good enough at renders that I could just pop them out because I was bored LOL :D

[TelFiRE]

Hi,
I'm a pleb so I don't know how these work. This is the first keyset I've seen that I really like the colors of, but I wonder would it be possible to order it all dark and with the green text on all mods? I have a very green theme going on


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hey, welcome! Sadly this is not possible because the legends are not printed on the keys (known as pad printing) but done via double shot injection molding. This means they would need to fill the machine with green plastic, and then cycle through all the molds for the modifier legends and pop out one of each. This would cost them a lot of time and thus money, so unless you wave at them with a fat wallet, you are out of luck I'm afraid.

Another SA project, Green Screen, is your best bet https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75607.0 though #1 the alphas are green not the modifiers, and #2 the person running the set hasn't logged in for half a year so it might be dead I'm afraid.

And because I was bored, here is what you proposed would have looked like.

Show Image

Dude that's just evil! Tell me I can't have it and then show me how glorious it would look!!! Hahaha Thanks for the info

Hi,
I'm a pleb so I don't know how these work. This is the first keyset I've seen that I really like the colors of, but I wonder would it be possible to order it all dark and with the green text on all mods? I have a very green theme going on


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hey, welcome! Sadly this is not possible because the legends are not printed on the keys (known as pad printing) but done via double shot injection molding. This means they would need to fill the machine with green plastic, and then cycle through all the molds for the modifier legends and pop out one of each. This would cost them a lot of time and thus money, so unless you wave at them with a fat wallet, you are out of luck I'm afraid.

Another SA project, Green Screen, is your best bet https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75607.0 though #1 the alphas are green not the modifiers, and #2 the person running the set hasn't logged in for half a year so it might be dead I'm afraid.

And because I was bored, here is what you proposed would have looked like.

Show Image

Doesn't look half bad, but clearly the original is better...

Yeah, not trying to take away from it, I think it's awesome, it's just I have a distinctly green-and-dark setup

You could also consider GMK Terminal, though it is again with all of the keys that color, and of course, it's GMK.

https://thekey.company/collections/frontpage/products/gb-gmk-terminal_-preorder

Ah yeah, that's a pretty good set. I hadn't seen that or anything similar in lots of searching. Think I'll pre-order one up, thanks! (Although that render Oblotzky made is way way better looking lol)

[LevelSteam]

I just noticed that the group buy for GMK Oblivion is going to go live in a few hours over at Keyclack. Just wanted to say thanks for making that happen; I can't wait to pick up a kit, especially since it'll let me sink my teeth into these gorgeous caps without having to wait for SP's extensive queue.

[TelFiRE]

Any chance of seeing this in Hi-Profile? Or is it way too early to even consider that?

[Oblotzky]

Any chance of seeing this in Hi-Profile? Or is it way too early to even consider that?

Do you mean matt3o's MT3? That profile supports PBT only, which this set can not be done with.

[ihalatch]

Any chance of seeing this in Hi-Profile? Or is it way too early to even consider that?

Do you mean matt3o's MT3? That profile supports PBT only, which this set can not be done with.

SA profile?

[Oblotzky]

Any chance of seeing this in Hi-Profile? Or is it way too early to even consider that?

Do you mean matt3o's MT3? That profile supports PBT only, which this set can not be done with.

SA profile?

I'm not sure what you are asking me

[ihalatch]

Any chance of seeing this in Hi-Profile? Or is it way too early to even consider that?

Do you mean matt3o's MT3? That profile supports PBT only, which this set can not be done with.

SA profile?

I'm not sure what you are asking me

GMK Oblivion is on. What about SA Oblivion?

[Oblotzky]

Any chance of seeing this in Hi-Profile? Or is it way too early to even consider that?

Do you mean matt3o's MT3? That profile supports PBT only, which this set can not be done with.

SA profile?

I'm not sure what you are asking me

GMK Oblivion is on. What about SA Oblivion?

Ah, as mentioned in the title, it is currently sheduled for Q3 2017 for Massdrop.

[wongie]

Am I blind or is there no R4 End key? Will there be any changes between now and when the GB goes live to include this seeing as it's in the GMK set that's up now?

[Oblotzky]

Am I blind or is there no R4 End key? Will there be any changes between now and when the GB goes live to include this seeing as it's in the GMK set that's up now?

Yeah I added it but didn't get around to updating the SA stuff yet. Check back in a week or so!

[tototoru]

LOL SORRY! What I mean is you use the normal legend on MONOCHROME ASSEMBLY, I forgot to mention the monochrome


PS I too will murder you if you remove them colored mod.

Well that doesn't make much sense, because if I already do colored Assembly legends, then using standard legends for a monochrome kit won't make any difference price wise as the molds are finished for the colored kit already. 

My thought is: new doubleshot legend require new mould > new mould require additional cost. If we use godspeed configuration it means we aren't using new mold (just changing colors) > there won't be additional cost > cheaper. No?

I remember someone said SP molds have removable tops so they can make the legends without making a new mold, that's why they can make so many texts and novelties, I think no one could afford this set otherwise with so many custom stuff.