G100s ?

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 got the G100s on Ebay because p00r.

But, It's seriously one of the best suited mouse for D2F-01F

The PCB makes everything a FLUSH drop-in.

The Shell is Very good for the swap, and requires NO-filing.

Weighs only 68 ish grams with the weights removed..

The Mouse very much requires after market mouse feet, because the center plastic feet is not teflon, and very scratchy..

Check out the takasta store on ebay, he sells the feet set with the center ring that is made out of teflon.


The mouse becomes very sensitive and hair-trigger-ee.. 
______May not be suitable for people who do harsh mouse smackdowns.







My only complaint is that the mousefeet are too thin (low)..

I think I'mma put some tape and prop um' up. /update, it worked, much smoother now.
I think its' still wise to order some aftermarket mousefeet for this mouse.

[tp4tissue]

Man This thing is So super light..

I don't even feel it...

Wow...

[iLLucionist]

Man This thing is So super light..

I don't even feel it...

Wow...

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What u usin it for? Quake 3? Why you need sickly light mouse?

[absyrd]

D2F-01F = Down To **** One Female?

[tp4tissue]

D2F-01F = DTF One Female?

Tp4 + Computer = 0*Female

[iLLucionist]

Why no suitable for hard smackdowns?

[tp4tissue]

Why no suitable for hard smackdowns?

Because the buttons are now closer to the shell..  It's more easy to trigger them..


I've seen some players (back in the day) 2003-ish @ lans, where they move the mouse a long distance, then pick it up "quite high" into the air, and drop it back down...

[iLLucionist]

Why no suitable for hard smackdowns?

Because the buttons are now closer to the shell..  It's more easy to trigger them..


I've seen some players (back in the day) 2003-ish @ lans, where they move the mouse a long distance, then pick it up "quite high" into the air, and drop it back down...

Good point. That mouse looks retro though it is new.

[tp4tissue]

Why no suitable for hard smackdowns?

Because the buttons are now closer to the shell..  It's more easy to trigger them..


I've seen some players (back in the day) 2003-ish @ lans, where they move the mouse a long distance, then pick it up "quite high" into the air, and drop it back down...

Good point. That mouse looks retro though it is new.

I really think it's Logitech's homage to the WMO..

I mean.. the shell design is almost identical except it's got a narrow butt-area

The way the top shell is attached, via a 3 piece plastic hooks..

The freedom of the button flaps..

If you look at the mouse horizontally, it's exactly like the wmo but not as Tall-Fat..

[iLLucionist]

Why no suitable for hard smackdowns?

Because the buttons are now closer to the shell..  It's more easy to trigger them..


I've seen some players (back in the day) 2003-ish @ lans, where they move the mouse a long distance, then pick it up "quite high" into the air, and drop it back down...

Good point. That mouse looks retro though it is new.

I really think it's Logitech's homage to the WMO..

I mean.. the shell design is almost identical except it's got a narrow butt-area

The way the top shell is attached, via a 3 piece plastic hooks..

The freedom of the button flaps..

If you look at the mouse horizontally, it's exactly like the wmo but not as Tall-Fat..

I agree, certainly looks that way. Crap, now I want one.

[tp4tissue]

Why no suitable for hard smackdowns?

Because the buttons are now closer to the shell..  It's more easy to trigger them..


I've seen some players (back in the day) 2003-ish @ lans, where they move the mouse a long distance, then pick it up "quite high" into the air, and drop it back down...

Good point. That mouse looks retro though it is new.

I really think it's Logitech's homage to the WMO..

I mean.. the shell design is almost identical except it's got a narrow butt-area

The way the top shell is attached, via a 3 piece plastic hooks..

The freedom of the button flaps..

If you look at the mouse horizontally, it's exactly like the wmo but not as Tall-Fat..

I agree, certainly looks that way. Crap, now I want one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Logitech-G100s-Ambidextrous-Optical-Gaming-Mouse/111632343464?hash=item19fdce61a8&_trkparms=5374%3AFeatured|5373%3A0

Best $11.99 mouse money can buy...


But honestly,  If you already haz a billion computer mice.. You prolly don't need more..

[iLLucionist]

Why no suitable for hard smackdowns?

Because the buttons are now closer to the shell..  It's more easy to trigger them..


I've seen some players (back in the day) 2003-ish @ lans, where they move the mouse a long distance, then pick it up "quite high" into the air, and drop it back down...

Good point. That mouse looks retro though it is new.

I really think it's Logitech's homage to the WMO..

I mean.. the shell design is almost identical except it's got a narrow butt-area

The way the top shell is attached, via a 3 piece plastic hooks..

The freedom of the button flaps..

If you look at the mouse horizontally, it's exactly like the wmo but not as Tall-Fat..

I agree, certainly looks that way. Crap, now I want one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Logitech-G100s-Ambidextrous-Optical-Gaming-Mouse/111632343464?hash=item19fdce61a8&_trkparms=5374%3AFeatured|5373%3A0

Best $11.99 mouse money can buy...


But honestly,  If you already haz a billion computer mice.. You prolly don't need more..

Moar is bettah. For in the collection. How did you do the mod?

[tp4tissue]

Alrite..

I've thoroughly inspected the design of the mouse, looking for the cause of the mysterious Double-Click-Dilemma, that G100S h8ers love to chant..

Obviously, My G100s doesn't have any issues, I just got it this morning and soldered in brand new switches.


Now,  I looked for several potential causes..

PCB Bending__  (I removed the scroll wheel, and assembled the mouse, I shined a light into the cavity and clicked the button flaps all the way down,  No signs of PCB flexing from either the right or left buttons.

Bad Soldering__ the Original Soldering was Damn good..  Tp4's soldering is not as good, but it should be sufficient..


So only 2 other possibilities remain

The amount of Over-travel__ that this shell design allows.

So, for example, if omron makes a weak batch of buttons, they may work fine in other mouse shells,   but the G100S shell is special in that it is very flexible, and has longer travel than say a G400..  so you're pressing m0re Deeply into the button.. which could increase wear/tear


Shell warping due to heat__ over time..   So this is an all black mouse,  the Top shell is quite thin.

Over time, for example, if left in the Sun, the top shell could conceivably warp downwards slightly.. this may cause the flap to not fully disengage the button.. causing double-click..



Only time will say for sure.... If I ever get the double click issue.

[iLLucionist]

Alrite..

Only time will say for sure.... If I ever get the double click issue.

That's some fine intel you got there tp!

[tp4tissue]

OK guys.. I'm calling it..

G100s > G400

70 grams vs 107 grams


The weight advantage is too much to ignore... 

[iLLucionist]

OK guys.. I'm calling it..

G100s > G400

70 grams vs 107 grams


The weight advantage is too much to ignore... 

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DAMMIT now I really need to get one and try it out. I'm gonna introduce a new term for when someone makes me want to buy something instantly: "walletrape".

Anywayz... that weight advantage is huge. What's the weight of the original wmo again?

[tp4tissue]

OK guys.. I'm calling it..

G100s > G400

70 grams vs 107 grams


The weight advantage is too much to ignore... 

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DAMMIT now I really need to get one and try it out. I'm gonna introduce a new term for when someone makes me want to buy something instantly: "walletrape".

Anywayz... that weight advantage is huge. What's the weight of the original wmo again?

This WMO pictured is Switch modded, Wheel lubed, Thick feet, Mx-Spring loaded.

But, Don't get a G100s, just because some random internet guy says so..

Gotta think about your playstyle first..  Tp4 = Lazy,  I just don't like moving heavy things around..  I play at medium-high sensitivity 1200 to 2400 depending on the game..

I like the G100s mostly because I can easily move it with just my fingers,  so it feels like I have an extra degree of fine precision..

So I still use my arms for wider movements, but for sniping I can rely on just my fingers, and the mouse is light enough that it will respond..

[Asininity]

How is the laser on the G100s? I've had weird tracking issues with the G300s.

As far as no thrills mice go I have my eye on a Corsair KATAR. Though the G700s is extremely tantalizing. My Deathadder is five years old and is really showing its wear and I don't play enough video games anymore to really make $70 for a mouse worthwhile.

[iLLucionist]

OK guys.. I'm calling it..

G100s > G400

70 grams vs 107 grams


The weight advantage is too much to ignore... 

Show Image

DAMMIT now I really need to get one and try it out. I'm gonna introduce a new term for when someone makes me want to buy something instantly: "walletrape".

Anywayz... that weight advantage is huge. What's the weight of the original wmo again?

This is Switch modded, Wheel lubed, Thick feet, Mx-Spring loaded.

But, Don't get a G100s, just because some random internet guy says so..

Gotta think about your playstyle first..  Tp4 = Lazy,  I just don't like moving heavy things around..  I play at medium-high sensitivity 1200 to 2400 depending on the game..

I like the G100s mostly because I can easily move it with just my fingers,  so it feels like I have an extra degree of fine precision..

So I still use my arms for wider movements, but for sniping I can rely on just my fingers, and the mouse is light enough that it will respond..

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Thanks for the info tp. Would but it for FPS. I am looking for an insanely light mouse. Usually, I like heavier mouse coz... I dunno... I like having some weight in my hand. Just for funz to get me a really light one. See what the fuz is about that these "pro gamers" are telling... that you need a really light mouse to do fps properly.

[iLLucionist]

How is the laser on the G100s? I've had weird tracking issues with the G300s.

As far as no thrills mice go I have my eye on a Corsair KATAR. Though the G700s is extremely tantalizing. My Deathadder is five years old and is really showing its wear and I don't play enough video games anymore to really make $70 for a mouse worthwhile.

What tracking issues specifically?

[tp4tissue]

How is the laser on the G100s? I've had weird tracking issues with the G300s.

As far as no thrills mice go I have my eye on a Corsair KATAR. Though the G700s is extremely tantalizing. My Deathadder is five years old and is really showing its wear and I don't play enough video games anymore to really make $70 for a mouse worthwhile.

The G100s uses invisible infrared LED.. not laser

The tracking is Great..


Primary advantage,

70grams, ultra light weight.
Easy Mod-ability, good pcb accessibility, soldering platform
Low price of $11.99 on ebay (open box)

[iLLucionist]

Where'd you get those D2F-01Fs?

[tp4tissue]

Where'd you get those D2F-01Fs?

Mouser.com --legit-- supplier..   Ebay haz counterfeits/fakes

If you're decide on D2F ..  Get 25 at a time... You won't use them all,  but considering they charge $5 shipping.. You may as well..

[iLLucionist]

Where'd you get those D2F-01Fs?

Mouser.com --legit-- supplier..   Ebay haz counterfeits/fakes

If you're decide on D2F ..  Get 25 at a time... You won't use them all,  but considering they charge $5 shipping.. You may as well..

Good point.. thanks!

Any tips on a good soldering station and/or what equipment I need (like aluminum for soldering and desoldering stuff equipment whatevahz)?

[tp4tissue]

Where'd you get those D2F-01Fs?

Mouser.com --legit-- supplier..   Ebay haz counterfeits/fakes

If you're decide on D2F ..  Get 25 at a time... You won't use them all,  but considering they charge $5 shipping.. You may as well..

Good point.. thanks!

Any tips on a good soldering station and/or what equipment I need (like aluminum for soldering and desoldering stuff equipment whatevahz)?

Get a soldering PUMP. this will save you alot of headache throughout ur soldering career.. Spring loaded, don't use the rubber ball ones.

If this is just for keyboard and mouse, you don't need expensive soldering gear if you're not doing large volumes.

I'd recommend a soldering iron in the $30 range, if you intend on soldering well into the future..

the $8-15 irons, break more often..


Solder,  anything  63/37 (leaded) will work.. 0.5-0.8mm thickness..  You don't have to get name brand..

If you've never soldered before, don't get unleaded solder, you'll prolly overheat the pcb traces, because unleaded doesn't melt/flow as easily at low heat.

[iLLucionist]

Where'd you get those D2F-01Fs?

Mouser.com --legit-- supplier..   Ebay haz counterfeits/fakes

If you're decide on D2F ..  Get 25 at a time... You won't use them all,  but considering they charge $5 shipping.. You may as well..

Good point.. thanks!

Any tips on a good soldering station and/or what equipment I need (like aluminum for soldering and desoldering stuff equipment whatevahz)?

Get a soldering PUMP. this will save you alot of headache throughout ur soldering career.. Spring loaded, don't use the rubber ball ones.

If this is just for keyboard and mouse, you don't need expensive soldering gear if you're not doing large volumes.

I'd recommend a soldering iron in the $30 range, if you intend on soldering well into the future..

the $8-15 irons, break more often..


Solder,  anything  63/37 (leaded) will work.. 0.5-0.8mm thickness..  You don't have to get name brand..

If you've never soldered before, don't get unleaded solder, you'll prolly overheat the pcb traces, because unleaded doesn't melt/flow as easily at low heat.

Thanks tp!

[rurushu]

I also have a G100s and a few G100 (both got the middle double click issue damnit)

and yes they are damn light, using it for my download rig, dont think i will ever use them for anything gaming wise...

[iLLucionist]

I also have a G100s and a few G100 (both got the middle double click issue damnit)

and yes they are damn light, using it for my download rig, dont think i will ever use them for anything gaming wise...

What's the middle double click issue? That the latency is too short and you occasionally double click?

[rurushu]

I also have a G100s and a few G100 (both got the middle double click issue damnit)

and yes they are damn light, using it for my download rig, dont think i will ever use them for anything gaming wise...

What's the middle double click issue? That the latency is too short and you occasionally double click?

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

[tp4tissue]

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

The middle scroll wheel button is Kailh.. and we all know kailh is, well.. Kailh... Razor keyboards use them... that says it all...

[iLLucionist]

I also have a G100s and a few G100 (both got the middle double click issue damnit)

and yes they are damn light, using it for my download rig, dont think i will ever use them for anything gaming wise...

What's the middle double click issue? That the latency is too short and you occasionally double click?

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

That's very annoying. I must say that nowadays I find middle mouse buttons sucking almost always. So I've just stopped using them. Even on my Avior 7000 which has not side scroll (which is usually better for mmb feel / performance).

[iLLucionist]

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

The middle scroll wheel button is Kailh.. and we all know kailh is, well.. Kailh... Razor keyboards use them... that says it all...

Can't you just flip that mofo out and replace it with something decent? Or is it more difficult with dem scrollwheel?

[tp4tissue]

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

The middle scroll wheel button is Kailh.. and we all know kailh is, well.. Kailh... Razor keyboards use them... that says it all...

Can't you just flip that mofo out and replace it with something decent? Or is it more difficult with dem scrollwheel?

I replaced all 4 with weeaboo omrons..  so yes, can replace..

But at this point, there's only been MYTH surrounding WHY the double clicking occurs.. No one has definitively found the root Cause...


Some people think it's static build up "in the switches" (prolly not),  some people think it's poor quality parts, (this is def not the case), I looked at the soldering, it's wonderful..  Lead solder.. shiny joints,  everything is peachy..

[rurushu]

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

The middle scroll wheel button is Kailh.. and we all know kailh is, well.. Kailh... Razor keyboards use them... that says it all...

dayum this is the ****ty part of them all, I always use my mouse's scrollwheel click to open/ close tabs and the double clicking is driving me insane every time, can say that is the main reason why I changed my mouse... other buttons literally no issues... just th goddamn middle scrollwheel click.... 

I also have a G100s and a few G100 (both got the middle double click issue damnit)

and yes they are damn light, using it for my download rig, dont think i will ever use them for anything gaming wise...

What's the middle double click issue? That the latency is too short and you occasionally double click?

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

That's very annoying. I must say that nowadays I find middle mouse buttons sucking almost always. So I've just stopped using them. Even on my Avior 7000 which has not side scroll (which is usually better for mmb feel / performance).

Yea man, the middle mouse button sucks so hard... cant they make decent ones for once.... since they go all ahoy with gaming and whatnot...

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

The middle scroll wheel button is Kailh.. and we all know kailh is, well.. Kailh... Razor keyboards use them... that says it all...

Can't you just flip that mofo out and replace it with something decent? Or is it more difficult with dem scrollwheel?

I replaced all 4 with weeaboo omrons..  so yes, can replace..

But at this point, there's only been MYTH surrounding WHY the double clicking occurs.. No one has definitively found the root Cause...


Some people think it's static build up "in the switches" (prolly not),  some people think it's poor quality parts, (this is def not the case), I looked at the soldering, it's wonderful..  Lead solder.. shiny joints,  everything is peachy..

Good one tp, I cant accomplish what you did with those switch replacement as I dont have what it takes for me to pull such feat off (no skills + no tools = get new mouse)

there are 2 types of Omrons that I know of, one is of "crispier" clicks and lighter, faster response, while another one is harder, and "duller" clicks, the one you using, D2F-01F is which one?

I personally like the lighter one, my Strix Claw is using that one I suppose...

[iLLucionist]

Yea man, the middle mouse button sucks so hard... cant they make decent ones for once.... since they go all ahoy with gaming and whatnot...

It's been so annoying and so long since I have used mmb, that I even forgot what I used it for in games!

[tp4tissue]

I think I could however rule out "shell" problem..

Because some users report double click issue in the first few month they own the mouse..

Assuming, it's not the case that they leave it out to soak in sunlight near a hot window, I don't see how the shell could've deteriorated in such little time..

[rurushu]

Yea man, the middle mouse button sucks so hard... cant they make decent ones for once.... since they go all ahoy with gaming and whatnot...

It's been so annoying and so long since I have used mmb, that I even forgot what I used it for in games!

hahaha.... in games mostly is either use for scope in/ out or throw grenade I suppose if you meant those FPS games 

[iLLucionist]

Yea man, the middle mouse button sucks so hard... cant they make decent ones for once.... since they go all ahoy with gaming and whatnot...

It's been so annoying and so long since I have used mmb, that I even forgot what I used it for in games!

hahaha.... in games mostly is either use for scope in/ out or throw grenade I suppose if you meant those FPS games 

I think I even used it some time for jumping in FPS. And indeed zoom in with sniper. Aaaah ut1999 GOTY memories relive..

[tp4tissue]

Good one tp, I cant accomplish what you did with those switch replacement as I dont have what it takes for me to pull such feat off (no skills + no tools = get new mouse)

there are 2 types of Omrons that I know of, one is of "crispier" clicks and lighter, faster response, while another one is harder, and "duller" clicks, the one you using, D2F-01F is which one?

I personally like the lighter one, my Strix Claw is using that one I suppose...

The D2FC-7N is the stock standards in almost every mice.

They have less travel distance, and produce a higher pitch click sound.

The D2F-01F is the weeaboo counterpart, they have slightly more travel +0.2mm

They also make a lower pitch sound..


They're both -crisp-..  but I've noticed that on the D2FC-7N, the tactility weakens more quickly..

I have the old ball-mouse microsoft intellimouse which has all D2F-01F,  and the tactility in that is still strong, this mouse survived my childhood, when I believed I could do more damage if I CLICKED HARDER,  so, it's been through much-abuse..

[rurushu]

Good one tp, I cant accomplish what you did with those switch replacement as I dont have what it takes for me to pull such feat off (no skills + no tools = get new mouse)

there are 2 types of Omrons that I know of, one is of "crispier" clicks and lighter, faster response, while another one is harder, and "duller" clicks, the one you using, D2F-01F is which one?

I personally like the lighter one, my Strix Claw is using that one I suppose...

The D2FC-7N is the stock standards in almost every mice.

They have less travel distance, and produce a higher pitch click sound.

The D2F-01F is the weeaboo counterpart, they have slightly more travel +0.2mm

They also make a lower pitch sound..


They're both -crisp-..  but I've noticed that on the D2FC-7N, the tactility weakens more quickly..

I have the old ball-mouse microsoft intellimouse which has all D2F-01F,  and the tactility in that is still strong, this mouse survived my childhood, when I believed I could do more damage if I CLICKED HARDER,  so, it's been through much-abuse..

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I see... then mine should be the weaboo switch then, but though they deteriorate faster, i still prefer them XD

I think almost all new G series logi mice uses the lighter ones, e.g the g402, g502 etc.

[Johan]

I swapped the switches on mine too a few months ago. One of the main issues I had with this mouse was the overly long travel distance, fixed that.

Now if I only could get used to the shape :S

Doesn't suit me as well as my g9x or mico. My next bet is a LMO clone.

[tp4tissue]

Good one tp, I cant accomplish what you did with those switch replacement as I dont have what it takes for me to pull such feat off (no skills + no tools = get new mouse)

there are 2 types of Omrons that I know of, one is of "crispier" clicks and lighter, faster response, while another one is harder, and "duller" clicks, the one you using, D2F-01F is which one?

I personally like the lighter one, my Strix Claw is using that one I suppose...

The D2FC-7N is the stock standards in almost every mice.

They have less travel distance, and produce a higher pitch click sound.

The D2F-01F is the weeaboo counterpart, they have slightly more travel +0.2mm

They also make a lower pitch sound..


They're both -crisp-..  but I've noticed that on the D2FC-7N, the tactility weakens more quickly..

I have the old ball-mouse microsoft intellimouse which has all D2F-01F,  and the tactility in that is still strong, this mouse survived my childhood, when I believed I could do more damage if I CLICKED HARDER,  so, it's been through much-abuse..

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I see... then mine should be the weaboo switch then, but though they deteriorate faster, i still prefer them XD

I think almost all new G series logi mice uses the lighter ones, e.g the g402, g502 etc.

yea all the mice come with d2fc-7n..  almost no mice has the d2f-01f these days..


only the ducky secret -as of late, has the d2f-01f.


I'm not sure it's an issue of cost..  I think it's just because the d2fc-7n has less travel

[Johan]

I think it at least partially comes down to cost, d2f-01f are made at the Japanese factory.

[iLLucionist]

Good one tp, I cant accomplish what you did with those switch replacement as I dont have what it takes for me to pull such feat off (no skills + no tools = get new mouse)

there are 2 types of Omrons that I know of, one is of "crispier" clicks and lighter, faster response, while another one is harder, and "duller" clicks, the one you using, D2F-01F is which one?

I personally like the lighter one, my Strix Claw is using that one I suppose...

The D2FC-7N is the stock standards in almost every mice.

They have less travel distance, and produce a higher pitch click sound.

The D2F-01F is the weeaboo counterpart, they have slightly more travel +0.2mm

They also make a lower pitch sound..


They're both -crisp-..  but I've noticed that on the D2FC-7N, the tactility weakens more quickly..

I have the old ball-mouse microsoft intellimouse which has all D2F-01F,  and the tactility in that is still strong, this mouse survived my childhood, when I believed I could do more damage if I CLICKED HARDER,  so, it's been through much-abuse..

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I see... then mine should be the weaboo switch then, but though they deteriorate faster, i still prefer them XD

I think almost all new G series logi mice uses the lighter ones, e.g the g402, g502 etc.

yea all the mice come with d2fc-7n..  almost no mice has the d2f-01f these days..


only the ducky secret -as of late, has the d2f-01f.


I'm not sure it's an issue of cost..  I think it's just because the d2fc-7n has less travel

Any idea what the Avior 7000 comes with? I'm curious what switch I have under mah hands now..

[Bromono]

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

The middle scroll wheel button is Kailh.. and we all know kailh is, well.. Kailh... Razor keyboards use them... that says it all...

Still love my deathadder though.

best mouse I have ever used and will buy another if my current one ever dies

[tp4tissue]

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

The middle scroll wheel button is Kailh.. and we all know kailh is, well.. Kailh... Razor keyboards use them... that says it all...

Still love my deathadder though.

best mouse I have ever used and will buy another if my current one ever dies

Deathadder haz omrons..   at least razor did that right..

But they did cheap us out on the side buttons, which are not omrons..

[tp4tissue]

Any idea what the Avior 7000 comes with? I'm curious what switch I have under mah hands now..

Omron d2fc-7n

[iLLucionist]

Any idea what the Avior 7000 comes with? I'm curious what switch I have under mah hands now..

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Omron d2fc-7n

You the man tp, thanks!

Tried looking up difference between the two but can't really find it.

Looked over at OC.. damm what a variety of switches for mice:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1152386/what-is-the-best-main-model-of-microswitch

[rurushu]

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

The middle scroll wheel button is Kailh.. and we all know kailh is, well.. Kailh... Razor keyboards use them... that says it all...

Still love my deathadder though.

best mouse I have ever used and will buy another if my current one ever dies

Deathadder haz omrons..   at least razor did that right..

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But they did cheap us out on the side buttons, which are not omrons..

I think only Ducky Secret got all its buttons Omron switches, others mostly cheap out on either the additional weaboo buttons or the middle scrollwheel button...


On a side note, what is you guys' grip style? Mine is palm + claw hybrid, that is also one of the main reason why I can't use those "ergonomic" mice and mice that has ****loads of side buttons

[iLLucionist]

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

The middle scroll wheel button is Kailh.. and we all know kailh is, well.. Kailh... Razor keyboards use them... that says it all...

Still love my deathadder though.

best mouse I have ever used and will buy another if my current one ever dies

Deathadder haz omrons..   at least razor did that right..

Show Image

But they did cheap us out on the side buttons, which are not omrons..

I think only Ducky Secret got all its buttons Omron switches, others mostly cheap out on either the additional weaboo buttons or the middle scrollwheel button...


On a side note, what is you guys' grip style? Mine is palm + claw hybrid, that is also one of the main reason why I can't use those "ergonomic" mice and mice that has ****loads of side buttons

For me it's fingertip / claw hybrid. I've tried palm, but when there is really action going on like in an FPS game, it feels way to relaxed. Actually, true palm grip even gives me some pain in the wrist.

[rurushu]

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

The middle scroll wheel button is Kailh.. and we all know kailh is, well.. Kailh... Razor keyboards use them... that says it all...

Still love my deathadder though.

best mouse I have ever used and will buy another if my current one ever dies

Deathadder haz omrons..   at least razor did that right..

Show Image

But they did cheap us out on the side buttons, which are not omrons..

I think only Ducky Secret got all its buttons Omron switches, others mostly cheap out on either the additional weaboo buttons or the middle scrollwheel button...


On a side note, what is you guys' grip style? Mine is palm + claw hybrid, that is also one of the main reason why I can't use those "ergonomic" mice and mice that has ****loads of side buttons

For me it's fingertip / claw hybrid. I've tried palm, but when there is really action going on like in an FPS game, it feels way to relaxed. Actually, true palm grip even gives me some pain in the wrist.

same here, whenever I game, be it FPS or RTS or MOBA, I will claw the mouse and movement involves often lifting off the mouse and put down again, only the wrist part is having contact with the table surface or mousepad.

I tried to palm grip, but then, I cannot make precise movement or adjustment  >:D

[iLLucionist]

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

The middle scroll wheel button is Kailh.. and we all know kailh is, well.. Kailh... Razor keyboards use them... that says it all...

Still love my deathadder though.

best mouse I have ever used and will buy another if my current one ever dies

Deathadder haz omrons..   at least razor did that right..

Show Image

But they did cheap us out on the side buttons, which are not omrons..

I think only Ducky Secret got all its buttons Omron switches, others mostly cheap out on either the additional weaboo buttons or the middle scrollwheel button...


On a side note, what is you guys' grip style? Mine is palm + claw hybrid, that is also one of the main reason why I can't use those "ergonomic" mice and mice that has ****loads of side buttons

For me it's fingertip / claw hybrid. I've tried palm, but when there is really action going on like in an FPS game, it feels way to relaxed. Actually, true palm grip even gives me some pain in the wrist.

same here, whenever I game, be it FPS or RTS or MOBA, I will claw the mouse and movement involves often lifting off the mouse and put down again, only the wrist part is having contact with the table surface or mousepad.

I tried to palm grip, but then, I cannot make precise movement or adjustment  >:D

I can palm for a little. But when things get tense I get nervous in an FPS game and I immediately adjust my grip accordingly. So palm only works for casually walking around in a game.

In illustrator when drawing things, palm also doesn't really work well. Like what you say: I'm not able to make precise movement or adjustment.

[rurushu]

nope, the middle scroll wheel click will cause double clicks.... i normally see double clicks on the two right or left buttons, but then in my case, all my mice's double clicks are at the middle scrollwheel.... which is irritating and irks me 

The middle scroll wheel button is Kailh.. and we all know kailh is, well.. Kailh... Razor keyboards use them... that says it all...

Still love my deathadder though.

best mouse I have ever used and will buy another if my current one ever dies

Deathadder haz omrons..   at least razor did that right..

Show Image

But they did cheap us out on the side buttons, which are not omrons..

I think only Ducky Secret got all its buttons Omron switches, others mostly cheap out on either the additional weaboo buttons or the middle scrollwheel button...


On a side note, what is you guys' grip style? Mine is palm + claw hybrid, that is also one of the main reason why I can't use those "ergonomic" mice and mice that has ****loads of side buttons

For me it's fingertip / claw hybrid. I've tried palm, but when there is really action going on like in an FPS game, it feels way to relaxed. Actually, true palm grip even gives me some pain in the wrist.

same here, whenever I game, be it FPS or RTS or MOBA, I will claw the mouse and movement involves often lifting off the mouse and put down again, only the wrist part is having contact with the table surface or mousepad.

I tried to palm grip, but then, I cannot make precise movement or adjustment  >:D

I can palm for a little. But when things get tense I get nervous in an FPS game and I immediately adjust my grip accordingly. So palm only works for casually walking around in a game.

In illustrator when drawing things, palm also doesn't really work well. Like what you say: I'm not able to make precise movement or adjustment.

I think with this, it is safe to say that we are having same grip type  :D

I can palm also, but only when browsing the internet or doing casual stuff, definitely not when need to get serious and perform precise control, will always revert back to claw  :))

[Leslieann]

Any idea what the Avior 7000 comes with? I'm curious what switch I have under mah hands now..

Omron d2fc-7n

I'm starting to become convinced the quality has slipped on the d2fc-7n.

The last 5 mice I had with them had progressively shorter and shorter lifespans. My latest G700s is going to Logitech for warranty after only 9 months of use and I specifically tried to go easy on it. I used to get double that from them before they started double clicking.


Double clicking is an indication that the leaf spring has weakened, don't let anyone (including Logitech support) tell you it may just need the dust blown out, this is a common problem with these switches, so much so that Gigabyte made a gaming mouse with user replaceable switches (no soldering iron needed). Aggressive clicking or even just a firm press can damage them. The Japanese Omrons use a much better, longer lasting leaf spring compared to the cheaper Chinese models, which are probably only marginally better than some of the alternatives.

[iLLucionist]

Any idea what the Avior 7000 comes with? I'm curious what switch I have under mah hands now..

Omron d2fc-7n

I'm starting to become convinced the quality has slipped on the d2fc-7n.

The last 5 mice I had with them had progressively shorter and shorter lifespans. My latest G700s is going to Logitech for warranty after only 9 months of use and I specifically tried to go easy on it. I used to get double that from them before they started double clicking.


Double clicking is an indication that the leaf spring has weakened, don't let anyone (including Logitech support) tell you it may just need the dust blown out, this is a common problem with these switches, so much so that Gigabyte made a gaming mouse with user replaceable switches (no soldering iron needed). Aggressive clicking or even just a firm press can damage them. The Japanese Omrons use a much better, longer lasting leaf spring compared to the cheaper Chinese models, which are probably only marginally better than some of the alternatives.

I have not yet had this issue with my Avior 7000 (which apparently features the same switch). But I have had it with EVERY logitech mouse I have EVER owned. I don't understand why, but they all eventually start to do this (for me).

[Leslieann]

Any idea what the Avior 7000 comes with? I'm curious what switch I have under mah hands now..

Omron d2fc-7n

I'm starting to become convinced the quality has slipped on the d2fc-7n.

The last 5 mice I had with them had progressively shorter and shorter lifespans. My latest G700s is going to Logitech for warranty after only 9 months of use and I specifically tried to go easy on it. I used to get double that from them before they started double clicking.


Double clicking is an indication that the leaf spring has weakened, don't let anyone (including Logitech support) tell you it may just need the dust blown out, this is a common problem with these switches, so much so that Gigabyte made a gaming mouse with user replaceable switches (no soldering iron needed). Aggressive clicking or even just a firm press can damage them. The Japanese Omrons use a much better, longer lasting leaf spring compared to the cheaper Chinese models, which are probably only marginally better than some of the alternatives.

I have not yet had this issue with my Avior 7000 (which apparently features the same switch). But I have had it with EVERY logitech mouse I have EVER owned. I don't understand why, but they all eventually start to do this (for me).

Details on Omron switches matter a LOT, they make a LOT of switches that are all labeled D2F, look identical and fit our mice.

Most mouse manufacturers use a Chinese switch made with a silver alloy spring, which is inferior to Japanese made with a gold alloy spring. Most good mice are 10mil at most, while low end can be 3mil or less, however, some switches from Omron are rated at 50-100mil.

On D2F switches, the 4th letter indicates country of origin, a Japanese is labeled just D2F, while Chinese variants are labeled D2FC. The next few letters indicate the pcb mounting or a lever, a -01 indicates gold alloy, and a -F at the end indicates a low spring pressure model.

Quick guide...
D2F indicates Japan with silver alloy spring
D2FC  indicates China with silver alloy spring  (what we usually see)
D2F -01 indicates Japan with gold alloy spring
D2FC-01  indicates  Chinese made with a gold alloy spring
D2F-01 -F  indicates Japan with a low spring rate gold alloy spring

https://www.omron.com/ecb/products/pdf/en-d2f.pdf

[tp4tissue]

D2F -01 indicates Japan with gold alloy spring
D2FC-01  indicates  Chinese made with a gold alloy spring

https://www.omron.com/ecb/products/pdf/en-d2f.pdf

Where did you read that 01 means gold alloy..

The specsheet just says the 01 means  30VDC   0.1amp


nm found the spec..

hrrrmmm.. gold alloy...  probably coated only..

[iLLucionist]

Details on Omron switches matter a LOT, they make a LOT of switches that are all labeled D2F, look identical and fit our mice.

Most mouse manufacturers use a Chinese switch made with a silver alloy spring, which is inferior to Japanese made with a gold alloy spring. Most good mice are 10mil at most, while low end can be 3mil or less, however, some switches from Omron are rated at 50-100mil.

On D2F switches, the 4th letter indicates country of origin, a Japanese is labeled just D2F, while Chinese variants are labeled D2FC. The next few letters indicate the pcb mounting or a lever, a -01 indicates gold alloy, and a -F at the end indicates a low spring pressure model.

Quick guide...
D2F indicates Japan with silver alloy spring
D2FC  indicates China with silver alloy spring  (what we usually see)
D2F -01 indicates Japan with gold alloy spring
D2FC-01  indicates  Chinese made with a gold alloy spring
D2F-01 -F  indicates Japan with a low spring rate gold alloy spring

https://www.omron.com/ecb/products/pdf/en-d2f.pdf

Interesting. I feel betrayed now by logitech But I would have to open one of em up to see what kind of D2F is inside. So the best spring is then the D2F-01... Japan + Gold.

[tp4tissue]

Details on Omron switches matter a LOT, they make a LOT of switches that are all labeled D2F, look identical and fit our mice.

Most mouse manufacturers use a Chinese switch made with a silver alloy spring, which is inferior to Japanese made with a gold alloy spring. Most good mice are 10mil at most, while low end can be 3mil or less, however, some switches from Omron are rated at 50-100mil.

On D2F switches, the 4th letter indicates country of origin, a Japanese is labeled just D2F, while Chinese variants are labeled D2FC. The next few letters indicate the pcb mounting or a lever, a -01 indicates gold alloy, and a -F at the end indicates a low spring pressure model.

Quick guide...
D2F indicates Japan with silver alloy spring
D2FC  indicates China with silver alloy spring  (what we usually see)
D2F -01 indicates Japan with gold alloy spring
D2FC-01  indicates  Chinese made with a gold alloy spring
D2F-01 -F  indicates Japan with a low spring rate gold alloy spring

https://www.omron.com/ecb/products/pdf/en-d2f.pdf

Interesting. I feel betrayed now by logitech But I would have to open one of em up to see what kind of D2F is inside. So the best spring is then the D2F-01... Japan + Gold.

Theoretically..

the BEST is D2F - F - 3 - 7

This is just the rumor I've heard..

I have no idea if they're good, and have not seen convincing pictures..

Ebay has them though..  I suspect they're fakes..

[iLLucionist]

Details on Omron switches matter a LOT, they make a LOT of switches that are all labeled D2F, look identical and fit our mice.

Most mouse manufacturers use a Chinese switch made with a silver alloy spring, which is inferior to Japanese made with a gold alloy spring. Most good mice are 10mil at most, while low end can be 3mil or less, however, some switches from Omron are rated at 50-100mil.

On D2F switches, the 4th letter indicates country of origin, a Japanese is labeled just D2F, while Chinese variants are labeled D2FC. The next few letters indicate the pcb mounting or a lever, a -01 indicates gold alloy, and a -F at the end indicates a low spring pressure model.

Quick guide...
D2F indicates Japan with silver alloy spring
D2FC  indicates China with silver alloy spring  (what we usually see)
D2F -01 indicates Japan with gold alloy spring
D2FC-01  indicates  Chinese made with a gold alloy spring
D2F-01 -F  indicates Japan with a low spring rate gold alloy spring

https://www.omron.com/ecb/products/pdf/en-d2f.pdf

Interesting. I feel betrayed now by logitech But I would have to open one of em up to see what kind of D2F is inside. So the best spring is then the D2F-01... Japan + Gold.

Theoretically..

the BEST is D2F - F - 3 - 7

This is just the rumor I've heard..

I have no idea if they're good, and have not seen convincing pictures..

Ebay has them though..  I suspect they're fakes..

Would it be possible to buy them legit? Or is there no way of knowing for sure..

[tp4tissue]

Would it be possible to buy them legit? Or is there no way of knowing for sure..

Well, you wouldn't be able to tell if they were legit..


I DO believe they have been used in some older mice.. If you track those down.. It should be possible to harvest.

[Leslieann]

Interesting. I feel betrayed now by logitech But I would have to open one of em up to see what kind of D2F is inside. So the best spring is then the D2F-01... Japan + Gold.

Depends on what you're after.

MANY, MANY mice makers use the same switch as Logitech because it's rated for 5mil, presses, which in theory is plenty.
The main reason they choose it though, besides being cheap is that most people agree it has the most satisfying click. The 01 has a  softer click, and the -F can feel downright mushy.

If you were mouse shopping and had no idea what switch was inside, a mushy click would not inspire confidence in the mouse.

[Leslieann]

Theoretically..
the BEST is D2F - F - 3 - 7
This is just the rumor I've heard..
I have no idea if they're good, and have not seen convincing pictures..
Ebay has them though..  I suspect they're fakes..

I've heard it before as well.
The F means much lower spring rate, it will feel rather mushy, 75g as opposed to the standard 150g. You might like it, but most people prefer a satisfying click on their mouse.

As per Omron, the 3 indicates it should have a lever, however if you search the part, the ones for sale lack the lever. As for the 7, it doesn't even follow Omrons naming scheme at all as per their documentation, however these have been found in HP mice. I do know Omron makes a ton of switches though, so it's possible, but it's also well known that the Chinese rip them off constantly, even manufacturers have been duped before.

If you want a nice, long lasting switch, similar to what you have, look for a D2F -01 and no other markings.
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/omron-electronics-inc-emc-div/D2F-01/SW501-ND/83260

Funny, you can't find these on auction sites, only reputable dealers and/or a higher price... coincidence?

[iLLucionist]

Seriously, where do you guys read up on the intricate details of omron mouse button switches? Where does all this knowledge come from?

[Leslieann]

Seriously, where do you guys read up on the intricate details of omron mouse button switches? Where does all this knowledge come from?

A lot is in the pdf I linked.

Some is just from being in the industry and/or dealing with China.

And then there is the fact that I destroy an Omron switched regularly in my mice. I should keep an running death tally in my signature, sort of like WW2 fighter planes... In the last 5 years, I've killed seven DF2C's.

[tp4tissue]

Theoretically..
the BEST is D2F - F - 3 - 7
This is just the rumor I've heard..
I have no idea if they're good, and have not seen convincing pictures..
Ebay has them though..  I suspect they're fakes..

I've heard it before as well.
The F means much lower spring rate, it will feel rather mushy, 75g as opposed to the standard 150g. You might like it, but most people prefer a satisfying click on their mouse.

As per Omron, the 3 indicates it should have a lever, however if you search the part, the ones for sale lack the lever. As for the 7, it doesn't even follow Omrons naming scheme at all as per their documentation, however these have been found in HP mice. I do know Omron makes a ton of switches though, so it's possible, but it's also well known that the Chinese rip them off constantly, even manufacturers have been duped before.

If you want a nice, long lasting switch, similar to what you have, look for a D2F -01 and no other markings.
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/omron-electronics-inc-emc-div/D2F-01/SW501-ND/83260

Funny, you can't find these on auction sites, only reputable dealers and/or a higher price... coincidence?

I have D2F-01F in all my mice already..Including this G100s..   the F in D2F-01F means  0.74n..

I'm not sure if that F in the D2F-F-3-7  means the same...



There's this Chinese guy on a chinese forum telling people that the F37 is the Ultimate switch..

But his description is --it supports 1 amp-- and it FEELS better..    And we all know that means jack-diddly..

[tp4tissue]

Got new Slicks for the G100S..

So Smooth...   

Changing that Center Ring into Teflon makes such a huge difference...

[Leslieann]

I did a bunch of digging into Omrons tonight and found a bunch of new info.

Turns out that Japan models are not physically exactly the same size, and may not fit in all mice. Also, some info on lifespans and click life.

I posted it here if anyone is interested.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81743.0

[NewbieOneKenobi]

I was gonna say teflon, but you already got there on page 2.

How's the sensor, though, especially when you turn off prediction, acceleration (true turning off may require a registry hack, not just control panel) and everything else like that?

I love the way it has no side buttons.

[tp4tissue]

I was gonna say teflon, but you already got there on page 2.

How's the sensor, though, especially when you turn off prediction, acceleration (true turning off may require a registry hack, not just control panel) and everything else like that?

I love the way it has no side buttons.

Well you need to get aftermarket teflon to swap the center ring.

there is no anglesnapping or acceleration on this sensor setup