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Title: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Thu, 16 April 2020, 00:46:45
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Well, this launched a while ago.
There are many reasons I didn't hype it up too much, or even make a GB page.
We're all going through a lot right now, and there are so many more important things than keyboards.
I didn't feel right shilling super hard when people weren't even sure if they could keep their jobs. 
So I put something out that was manageable and fun--two special versions:
my version of an "end game" dream machine,
and a themed LE Rukia for lovers of space opera.

I also made the PC version "unlimited," so people don't feel like they have to compete to get and keep a slot, possibly putting themselves in a difficult position due to FOMO.
I also kept the cost at the round 1 $390, although manufacturing cost quotes have gone up.

There are some subtle differences this time around for the PC version.

The PCB:
Made by Gondolindrim, in line with his open source Mad Hatter project, the Rukia will feature a per-key RGB USB-C PCB with underglow.
The top left 3-key cluster can also accommodate regular switches as well as rotary encoders.

Carbon fiber:
The new carbon fiber plates will still have a 3k twill weave aesthetic top layer, but the inner layers will now be unidirectional carbon fiber to program flex and improve sound while still maintaining the nice consistency carbon fiber is known for.

Weight:
No longer a shiny, mirror PVD finish, the new weight is sandblasted brass to match the available plates.

Hardware:
Hex screws, white.

Where do I buy it?
https://mintautumn.com

How do I get updates?
Here. And Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/eJrjdtg

What does $390 get me?
PC top case
PC bottom case
Sandblasted brass weight
Screws
PC plate
Per-key RGB PCB with underglow and THREE rotary encoder placement options (in the 3-key leftmost cluster).
ONE rotary encoder (you can buy more if you like)
ONE knob

How many 2u stabilizers do I need to buy from my favorite keyboard vendor?
4 if you split back space and split right shift
5 if you only split either back space or right shift
6 if you use full backspace and full right shift

What else is available for pre-order on the site right now?
Brass plates.
Carbon fiber plates.
Gift cards.

What will be available for pre-order on the site later this week?
Aluminum tops anodized in Lilac, Champagne, or Blue-Gray.

When will aluminum tops be available for pre-order on the site?
Later this week.

When will Gondolindrim's new per-key RGB USB-C PCBs with underglow, rotary encoders, and Rukia/Mint Autumn branding be available for purchase on the site?
When they're ready. I really don't mean to be rude, I just don't have an exact timeline. As soon as I know they work as intended and won't explode, I'll list them for sale.

If I already ordered a Rukia r2 kit, will I have to pay extra shipping when I buy an aluminum top or extra PCB as well?
Can they be shipped with my Rukia?
No, you won't have to pay extra shipping because yes, they can be shipped together.
When you're ready to make your order, message me on Discord at jaxxstatic#2116 or use the contact form on mintautumn.com, and I will give you a one-time use personal coupon for free shipping on those items.
That's the best way I've thought of doing it. If there's a better way, please let me know.

Will those new items deliver the same time as the Rukia r2?
Yes.

Will my Rukia parts fit in a TGR Alice?
Not with the new USB-C PCB. If you use a USB-mini PCB from TGR, Team Mechlovin', or ProjectKeyboard, the PCB/plate/switches can be dropped into either case with no problem.

Can the Rukia fit both USB-C and USB-mini PCBs?
Yes **IF** the USB is topmounted on the PCB.

Can the USB-mini Wonderland PCB fit in the Rukia case?
Yes **WITH** standoffs. Same for the TGR Alice. Maarten told me he fixed the new version of the Wonderland, so be on the lookout for that. Solid PCB.

How do I program the projectkeyboard PCB that came with my Rukia round 1?
Download the new firmware from here: https://caniusevia.com/docs/download_firmware
It uses VIA now!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!
Use QMK Toolbox to flash the new .BIN file. Download the newest version of VIA, then enjoy instantaneous keymap tweaking pleasure.

If I choose a carbon fiber or brass plate option, does it come with a PC plate too?
Yes. You can also choose a PC plate and add a cf/brass plate as an extra. It's the same thing/price.

Can you make me a full aluminum version with the same exact profile as the TGR Alice so I can use the wrist rest from Beamingrobot?
No.

The GB was supposed to end on April 17th. How long is the GB extended for?
Until May 3rd. The expected delivery date is still Q3/Q4 2020 (I'll make the order to the manu before the end of the buy-in period).

Can I get a matching aluminum bottom for the aluminum top I purchase, then buy Beamingrobot's Alice wrist rest? If I do, will the wrist rest fit perfectly?
No. No.

Are you making a Rukia wrist rest?
Yes. Working on it. But you can make your own with files available in the Discord channel. There's also a member in the Discord who's considered doing a GB run of his own for them.
I'm working on two budget points for wrist rests: beat-em-up-get-er-done & OOF!Touchitwithgloves!
Both will be robust, though. 

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jani80k on Fri, 17 April 2020, 06:02:10
Will the PCB support ISO?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Soraie on Fri, 17 April 2020, 08:06:28
I'm interested! A per key RGB PCB is pretty rare :) It might be nice for the first ergo build.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: TopreMoon on Fri, 17 April 2020, 09:31:55
Any more chances at the LE/special editions?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: mmontess on Fri, 17 April 2020, 14:32:27
One of the best boards I've ever owned! Get in on this if you have the chance!

EDIT: Whoops  :-[
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 17 April 2020, 17:29:53
Will the PCB support ISO?
ISO requires the right side to be aligned for the Enter key and the row 2 above it. That doesn't happen on this layout.
I'm not against it, though. Just not possible.
Any more chances at the LE/special editions?
Any GB runner has to order extra for QC purposes, so there's always a chance for extras. Just a chance, though. No guarantee.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: TopreMoon on Fri, 17 April 2020, 17:56:16
Any GB runner has to order extra for QC purposes, so there's always a chance for extras. Just a chance, though. No guarantee.

Makes sense - thanks! Some hope is better than none, lol.

I love the green - I wish it was a standard option!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Fri, 17 April 2020, 20:34:48
I'm about to order, but I'm unsure of which plate to order (CF or brass). I feel like the CF would give a better typing experience (more flex) than the brass. A more dense, less ping sound?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 17 April 2020, 23:24:42
To be quite honest, flex is less affected by plate type than mounting when the materials get as stiff as aluminum/carbon fiber/brass/etc.
Sound is more affected. Both feel good in Rukia, even when I smash keys, which is a surprise with brass.
My favorite combos are brass with inks and carbon fiber with Zykos (sp?).
But the new carbon fiber layup for the new plates might change everything around...
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sun, 19 April 2020, 02:30:08
Aluminum tops are up on the site.
For those who purchased already, I have a coupon code for you. Please use the contact form on the site, or message me on Discord: jaxxstatic#2116.
Please pay attention to the instructions at the bottom when ordering your aluminum tops.
Contact me for shipping questions.
PCBs will be up as soon as possible.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: mchanneh on Sun, 19 April 2020, 07:31:09
GB from a user with a proven track record of delivering - must cop if you are in the market for this type of keyboard.

I'm here for it!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: delet_d on Sun, 19 April 2020, 13:03:10
What is the case angle?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: OBL17 on Mon, 20 April 2020, 01:33:25
do the aluminum tops have the same end date as the board?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kevintcy on Tue, 21 April 2020, 15:50:30
Do you think the PCBs will be up before GB ends, just so I can pick the lot up in one go. Cheers.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: andrewregal on Thu, 23 April 2020, 21:10:40
Thanks for bringing this back! I remember being super disappointed when the first round filled up in seconds. Just bought my kit today and will order some extra PCBs when they go up
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Mainian on Fri, 24 April 2020, 13:17:42
Aluminum tops are up on the site.
For those who purchased already, I have a coupon code for you. Please use the contact form on the site, or message me on Discord: jaxxstatic#2116.
Please pay attention to the instructions at the bottom when ordering your aluminum tops.
Contact me for shipping questions.
PCBs will be up as soon as possible.

I've seen this new carbon fiber plate design on a few group buys recently, do you know anyone who has gotten to type one of these plates?

What's the purpose of the foam layer? Adding flex? Or sound dampening?

I'm really interested in the full PC, as my Think6.5 is my favorite board at the moment. I would like to try a PC plate design :O.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 24 April 2020, 13:26:37
do the aluminum tops have the same end date as the board?
Yes, same end date for the aluminum tops.

Do you think the PCBs will be up before GB ends, just so I can pick the lot up in one go. Cheers.
Hopefully they'll be up separately before the GB end, but if not, I'll put something in place so you can either order it separately like normal, or add it to an existing order with no additional shipping charge.


I've seen this new carbon fiber plate design on a few group buys recently, do you know anyone who has gotten to type one of these plates?

What's the purpose of the foam layer? Adding flex? Or sound dampening?

I'm really interested in the full PC, as my Think6.5 is my favorite board at the moment. I would like to try a PC plate design :O.

1) The new carbon fiber plate design has not been used anywhere else. It's entirely new, so no one has typed on it yet.
2)There is no foam layer. No foam at all.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 24 April 2020, 13:28:54
What layout options does the PCB support? Judging by the plate, stepped and non-stepped Caps Lock, split and regular Backspace, split and regular LSpace, split and regular RShift. Correct?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 24 April 2020, 14:45:15
What layout options does the PCB support? Judging by the plate, stepped and non-stepped Caps Lock, split and regular Backspace, split and regular LSpace, split and regular RShift. Correct?
All correct!!

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 24 April 2020, 15:21:25
All correct!!

Here's a pic taken from projectkeyboard's discord that helps:
(Attachment Link)

Except it's missing the adjustable caps lock that you mentioned.

Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Fri, 24 April 2020, 17:37:34
will the pcb be white? i really dont like green pcb for polycarb
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 24 April 2020, 17:40:25
will the pcb be white? i really dont like green pcb for polycarb
Yes, white.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 24 April 2020, 19:39:50
What layout options does the PCB support? Judging by the plate, stepped and non-stepped Caps Lock, split and regular Backspace, split and regular LSpace, split and regular RShift. Correct?

Here's a good reference!
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Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: KetchyKech on Fri, 24 April 2020, 20:00:20
caught the build on taeha stream -- even more hype for my purchase -- but really the pcb with front facing & under rgb pcb though is a great addition  :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Fri, 24 April 2020, 20:35:03
I just placed an order for this with an add on Aluminum top in Champagne. This one was a spicy meatball but I'm hoping it will be my endgame keyboard as well (or close as possible)  :thumb:

I noticed dampening is not included in the design, is this by choice and can desirable acoustics be achieved without any?

Since the brass weight comes sandblasted this time, is it possible to polish it myself to a shine if that finish is preferred?

I ordered the brass plate and plan to get Gateron Ink Blacks per your suggestion earlier in this thread. Do you have a recommendations on stabs for this combo? Durock?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: cijanzen on Fri, 24 April 2020, 20:38:31
I just placed an order for this with an add on Aluminum top in Champagne. This one was a spicy meatball but I'm hoping it will be my endgame keyboard as well (or close as possible)  :thumb:

I noticed dampening is not included in the design, is this by choice and can desirable acoustics be achieved without any?

Since the brass weight comes sandblasted this time, is it possible to polish it myself to a shine if that finish is preferred?

I ordered the brass plate and plan to get Gateron Ink Blacks per your suggestion earlier in this thread. Do you have a recommendations on stabs for this combo? Durock?
Durock/Everglide seem to be in favour these days. You can always polish the weight. Just need to put more work into it than a prepolished one!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 24 April 2020, 22:48:21
I don't want to sound supercilious (sound is a very subjective thing), but the case is designed with sound as a priority.
Many of my favorite sounding boards barely had room for shelf liner or no room for case foam, and they don't need it.
I tried to do that with Rukia. It's pretty toite in there. I wanted to take advantage of the case material as well.
I like how it sounds.
Like cijanzen said, polishing your own brass is an option. I think Minterly even did a video on it for Twitch and Youtube.
And again like cijanzen said, durocks are good for me so far, but I honestly don't like any stabilizer options at the moment.
Cherry is supposed to come out with a new design though. And Rama, I think (hope).

My stabilizer design won't be achievable until I get my own manufacturing up and running. Those will be my unbiased choice when they release, though...
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Aquaficial on Wed, 29 April 2020, 11:28:21
Is it just me, or is there no way to get an extra PCB anymore?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 29 April 2020, 11:53:02
Is it just me, or is there no way to get an extra PCB anymore?
It hasn’t been added to the store yet. Might be added before GB closes but worst case scenario you’ll be able to purchase the PCB separately but have it shipped with your Rukia order.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jbrandona119 on Sun, 03 May 2020, 21:14:07
Quick question as this ends tonight (and sorry if I missed the answer) but can I order the alum top after today, like with the extra PCB whenever that’s available? Or will I need to add it to my order tonight.

🙏🏾
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: cijanzen on Sun, 03 May 2020, 21:17:05
Quick question as this ends tonight (and sorry if I missed the answer) but can I order the alum top after today, like with the extra PCB whenever that’s available? Or will I need to add it to my order tonight.


You have to add it tonight. Alu top ends when GB ends.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Mon, 04 May 2020, 02:28:51
Thank you to everyone who joined the group buy!
Round 2 is closed, but PCBs will be up soon.
I'll post here, post on Reddit, and ping in the Discord when they're available.
Just like aluminum tops, if you want it to be included with your Rukia kit, I can give you a coupon so you don't get charged additional shipping.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: yhs on Mon, 04 May 2020, 07:23:43
Very excited to be part of round two. And now the waiting game begins.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Mon, 04 May 2020, 07:37:55
Thank you to everyone who joined the group buy!
Round 2 is closed, but PCBs will be up soon.
I'll post here, post on Reddit, and ping in the Discord when they're available.
Just like aluminum tops, if you want it to be included with your Rukia kit, I can give you a coupon so you don't get charged additional shipping.
Sweet. Now I just gotta decide on a keycaps set. Since polycarb goes with anything, decisions, decisions......

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Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: crosscutgymnast on Mon, 04 May 2020, 19:44:31
Kuro shiro it will be for me i think


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Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Mon, 04 May 2020, 19:53:48
Kuro shiro it will be for me i think


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Pink on Navy or Deep Navy with the CF plate would be killer. I also thought GMK Bingsu would look really good.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 04 May 2020, 22:00:22
That lilac looked too gorgeous. I lost.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: IronCheeks on Sat, 09 May 2020, 03:30:25
I can't wait for this board to come in. After seeing all these Alice-like keebs and slowly deep-diving into the hobby, this is like the closest I can get to the TGR Alice at a lower price that I can swallow.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: pnw-g on Sat, 09 May 2020, 13:23:27
Count me in for round 3. Missed this, heads down in work lately. Stoked to see everyone’s build. Huge fan
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DennyTwist on Sun, 31 May 2020, 05:20:04
Count me in for round 3. Missed this, heads down in work lately. Stoked to see everyone’s build. Huge fan
Same here!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: sprigun on Fri, 05 June 2020, 07:50:19
Count me in for round 3. Missed this, heads down in work lately. Stoked to see everyone’s build. Huge fan
Same here!
Me three. Will wait for R3.  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: bigapplepietart on Mon, 08 June 2020, 08:58:42
R3 when haha?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Mon, 08 June 2020, 16:57:51
any word on pcb extra or poly carb wristrest?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Madrai on Sun, 14 June 2020, 23:31:56
R3 when haha?

Yeah same - Missed this by a few days sadly. Would definitely go for R3 if there's a chance of that in the future. :)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: radsan on Mon, 15 June 2020, 10:15:46
Round three will be made with UHMWPE according to Jax. There will probably be extras though from round two after shipping is done.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Mon, 15 June 2020, 10:20:52
I also made the PC version "unlimited," so people don't feel like they have to compete to get and keep a slot, possibly putting themselves in a difficult position due to FOMO.
I also kept the cost at the round 1 $390, although manufacturing cost quotes have gone up.
Well I guess this round wasn't unlimited? Because it seems I indeed missed it out.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: chits on Mon, 15 June 2020, 10:36:22
I also made the PC version "unlimited," so people don't feel like they have to compete to get and keep a slot, possibly putting themselves in a difficult position due to FOMO.
I also kept the cost at the round 1 $390, although manufacturing cost quotes have gone up.
Well I guess this round wasn't unlimited? Because it seems I indeed missed it out.
unlimited units not unlimited time big dog
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Mon, 15 June 2020, 11:00:16
I also made the PC version "unlimited," so people don't feel like they have to compete to get and keep a slot, possibly putting themselves in a difficult position due to FOMO.
I also kept the cost at the round 1 $390, although manufacturing cost quotes have gone up.
Well I guess this round wasn't unlimited? Because it seems I indeed missed it out.
unlimited units not unlimited time big dog
This certainly makes sense. Dunno why I read "unlimited" as "in stock". My bad.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Wed, 17 June 2020, 18:39:44
I also made the PC version "unlimited," so people don't feel like they have to compete to get and keep a slot, possibly putting themselves in a difficult position due to FOMO.
I also kept the cost at the round 1 $390, although manufacturing cost quotes have gone up.
Well I guess this round wasn't unlimited? Because it seems I indeed missed it out.
unlimited units not unlimited time big dog
This certainly makes sense. Dunno why I read "unlimited" as "in stock". My bad.

unlimited FOMO!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: xef on Wed, 17 June 2020, 22:13:41
So mad at myself for missing this
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: lucka33 on Mon, 06 July 2020, 03:27:14
Is there any information or estimation for when the Rukia will be shipped?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: maximize on Tue, 14 July 2020, 21:24:00
Is there any possibility there will be Round 3? Missed this one and I'm sad. :(
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Zach on Tue, 14 July 2020, 21:46:34
Is there any possibility there will be Round 3? Missed this one and I'm sad. :(
R3 will be UHMWPE instead of PC, R2 should have extras after they ship though.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thnick on Wed, 15 July 2020, 12:15:05
Waiting for R3  :-[
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Scriba on Fri, 07 August 2020, 06:44:56
A shame there isn't a full aluminium board planned - only a few got their hands on an tgr alice and will dream of them for a lifetime.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jimboytacos on Fri, 07 August 2020, 14:43:10
Love the rukia. But not a fan of poly carb despite as amazing as it sounds.

Waiting for the aluminum version.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: bigapplepietart on Wed, 02 September 2020, 19:24:57
Not sure about UHMWPE vs. poly, I like the translucency of poly. Counting on the R2 extras...
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ian13 on Sun, 20 September 2020, 00:10:52
Man, I sure hope there will be another run of the pc rukia in the future!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ainet on Tue, 22 September 2020, 04:45:31
This hobby needs more policarb keeb, Good Job and good luck!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 26 September 2020, 13:26:58
Hi there, any updates?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 26 September 2020, 15:14:23
Hi there, any updates?

Seconded, being trying to my hype down till a solid update that the GB is on track or gonna have some hiccups. This is easily my most anticipated recent board purchase. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: cijanzen on Sat, 26 September 2020, 15:17:09
Last update on discord was that we’re aiming for before (US) thanksgiving. A couple colours are being reworked along with the steel bottom and polycarbonate green.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 26 September 2020, 17:20:25
Last update on discord was that we’re aiming for before (US) thanksgiving. A couple colours are being reworked along with the steel bottom and polycarbonate green.

My man, thanks cijanzen! Guess I didn't go far enough back in the Rukia channel when I was looking.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: crosscutgymnast on Sat, 26 September 2020, 23:00:47
Last update on discord was that we’re aiming for before (US) thanksgiving. A couple colours are being reworked along with the steel bottom and polycarbonate green.

My man, thanks cijanzen! Guess I didn't go far enough back in the Rukia channel when I was looking.
Updates are beeing pined to the channel


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Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Mon, 28 September 2020, 13:05:55
Someone had to drop their GB spot with brass plate due to extenuating circumstances...
I'll be dropping a form for anyone interested in taking the GB spot
No rush. It'll be raffle
https://forms.gle/WXzBvN7Koxw5Zcvc6
I'll use RNG to pick the winner tomorrow at 8am California time
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 28 September 2020, 18:34:06
Last update on discord was that we’re aiming for before (US) thanksgiving. A couple colours are being reworked along with the steel bottom and polycarbonate green.

My man, thanks cijanzen! Guess I didn't go far enough back in the Rukia channel when I was looking.
Updates are being pined to the channel


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Thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Sweep_the_Leg on Fri, 13 November 2020, 20:37:35
Just checking in on this. Any update on when the r2 Rukias will ship?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: wencan008 on Sat, 14 November 2020, 01:08:03
Just checking in on this. Any update on when the r2 Rukias will ship?

Update should be coming very soon
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sat, 14 November 2020, 01:25:32
**Rukia round 2 - **
PCBs - Sadly, 3 rotary encoders was not feasible for the upper left cluster. The PCB will accommodate one rotary encoder, which is included with knob. All other features remain: USB-C, per key RGB, underglow.
Barring any issues, boards should ship to me by end of the first week of December. QC, pack, and ship the following week.
HOWEVER, shipping is coming in batches. The first batch is 150 boards.
An email will be sent out on Monday to all who ordered, asking if you'd like to upgrade to UHMWPE (see below for design differences) at no extra cost but wait a little bit longer.
Otherwise, the orders will be sent out in the order they were made on the website.
**ALL UHMWPE Rukia parts will be compatible with Round 2 parts, even with the crazy curves**
Please confirm that the shipping address for your order is correct/current. If not, please message me on Discord at jaxxstatic#2116 or use the contact form on the website.
Extras will be available in January.
     -Method for entry:
          -FOUR (4) quiz options
               -Dune (first Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune)
               -Neil Gaiman (American Gods, Anansi Boys, Neverwhere, The Graveyard Book)
               -William Gibson (Idoru, The Peripheral, Neuromancer)
               -Science Fiction random (The Lathe of Heaven by Ursula K. Le Guin, Ringworld by Larry Niven, The Mote in God's Eye by Jerry Pournelle and Larry Niven, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? by Philip K. ****)
     -Hint: if you're unfamiliar with ALL of these books, then the second and fourth options are probably the most accessible/easy-to-pick-up/least acid-induced options
     -Passing a quiz gives you entry into a raffle for the extras
          -Extras that will be available:
               -PC cases
               -Brass, carbon fiber, and PC plates
               -PCBs (although you can also just buy these from the store)

**Rukia LE - **
Same timeline as frosted PC orders. Please let me know what shirt size you want.

**Rukia SE - **
Shipping is set to start in January for these. Discord channel has the specifics.

**Irma, Rukia (uwukia), etc - **
In-house manufacturing is becoming reality.
Moved in. Factory floor and warehouse are separate buildings, but meet my needs.
Setting up for inspections for aerospace safety certifications.
Began milling molds for Irma and new Rukia design. 
See below.
Irma will be available in January in UHMWPE (raw/white and black).
Rukia will be available in January in UHMWPE (raw/white and black).
For more details, please check the VODs at https://www.twitch.tv/jaxxstatic
Email me at josh.lee.jackson@gmail.com


Also, feel free to join the Discord server: https://discord.gg/eJrjdtg
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Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Sweep_the_Leg on Sat, 14 November 2020, 13:25:20
Thanks for the updates! I'd be really curious to hear people's thoughts on whether to wait for the UHMWPE version or not.

Is it primarily the design difference, with the more rounded curves (I'm not 100% sure how I feel about those)? Or will the different material have a different sound signature (and if so, any idea of how it will be different)?

I just tried to watch a couple of Jaxxstatic's Twitch streams that seem like they might cover it, but Twitch is having issues for me at the moment and the streams keep timing out.

Very (very) excited to get the board, but if UHMWPE is going to be a next level of awesome for it, I'd probably be willing to wait a bit longer.  ;D

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: maximize on Sat, 14 November 2020, 22:35:55
This is the most unique extras sale entry I've seen! Kudos.
*Neuromancer, not Necromancer, haha.
Think I'll try out that Gibson quiz. :)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sun, 15 November 2020, 03:10:33
This is the most unique extras sale entry I've seen! Kudos.
*Neuromancer, not Necromancer, haha.
Think I'll try out that Gibson quiz. :)


Ack! Embarrassing mistake! Fixed! Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Tue, 17 November 2020, 10:02:22
Hey Jaxx, did that email about sticking with the PC version or upgrading to the UHMWPE version for rd2 participants ever get sent out yet? Just wondering cause I haven't got one, checked my spam too just in case before posting here.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Drudoo on Tue, 17 November 2020, 10:03:24
Hey Jaxx, did that email about stick with the PC version or upgrading to the UHMWPE version ever get sent out yet? Just wondering cause I haven't got one, checked my spam too just in case before posting here.
Haven’t received anything yet either. So don’t think it’s been send out.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Tue, 17 November 2020, 16:11:20
Hey Jaxx, did that email about stick with the PC version or upgrading to the UHMWPE version ever get sent out yet? Just wondering cause I haven't got one, checked my spam too just in case before posting here.
Haven’t received anything yet either. So don’t think it’s been send out.

Thanks for the heads up man!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: sirieous on Tue, 17 November 2020, 17:11:54
Thanks for the heads up man!

Jaxx posted in his discord that he had some family stuff come up and didn't get a chance to sit down yet. Should be out relatively soon once things are sorted in his personal life.

On another note, what are people considering? Swapping to UHMWPE or staying with PC?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Aritega on Tue, 17 November 2020, 18:41:44
Thanks for the heads up man!

Jaxx posted in his discord that he had some family stuff come up and didn't get a chance to sit down yet. Should be out relatively soon once things are sorted in his personal life.

On another note, what are people considering? Swapping to UHMWPE or staying with PC?

I think I'll stick with PC because of the simple design. I'm not a fan of the rounded front on the UHMWPE but the side profile is very appealing!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Wed, 18 November 2020, 07:57:58
Thanks for the heads up man!

Jaxx posted in his discord that he had some family stuff come up and didn't get a chance to sit down yet. Should be out relatively soon once things are sorted in his personal life.

On another note, what are people considering? Swapping to UHMWPE or staying with PC?

I'm sticking with PC also, that black PE option was very tempting though. 
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 18 November 2020, 10:19:52
The PE cases look promising, but I'm going to let someone else GP them. Sticking with PC.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: samba on Thu, 31 December 2020, 01:36:45
Wow, amazing work.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Sat, 02 January 2021, 00:39:29
Maybe by March now. Maybe
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jbrandona119 on Fri, 26 February 2021, 16:20:23
In case anyone is not in the discord and has no idea what is going on:

150 Rukia's and aluminum tops were shipped by the factory in China and are stuck in customs. No timeline was given for when they were shipped or how long they've been in customs.

Jaxx is now manufacturing the polycarbonate rukias in house and has estimated that 150 should be finished by Sunday and in 3 weeks some will start being shipped by order number.

"All parts and materials can be produced in house now --even carbon fiber and stainless and anodizing."

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jbrandona119 on Fri, 19 March 2021, 09:21:15
Since the discord server has been locked down for almost a week now and we're coming up on a year from the start of the GB, can we please get some indication (photos preferably) that PC Rukias have been manufactured, are still being made, etc.?

Jaxx said he was going to talk with his legal team about taking photos after someone asked back at the end January (maybe early Feb). I asked about that a few days later and a mod told me that he didn't actually mean he was going to talk to his legal team, so I'm not sure where we're at with that. Boards were sent out to some trusted friends and I was hoping to see something from them like photos or a message or something, but the only thing we heard was that they said it was "better" than R1. On February 25th, we were informed that by the next Sunday about 150 boards would be completed but nothing was shown of them either. February 22nd there were 3 pictures of a rukia shared, but when someone asked if those were in-house manufactured R2, they did not get a reply.

I was hoping I would see an update here regarding why the server was locked as no message or pin was made by Jaxx or the mods that I could see, but it looks like there's only been one update to this post and that was after the board was late in November. Hearing "next month" 4-5 times with nothing else despite also indicating there are finished boards in hand is concerning to me. Please let me know if this request is unreasonable.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 19 March 2021, 10:06:01
Since the discord server has been locked down for almost a week now and we're coming up on a year from the start of the GB, can we please get some indication (photos preferably) that PC Rukias have been manufactured, are still being made, etc.?

Jaxx said he was going to talk with his legal team about taking photos after someone asked back at the end January (maybe early Feb). I asked about that a few days later and a mod told me that he didn't actually mean he was going to talk to his legal team, so I'm not sure where we're at with that. Boards were sent out to some trusted friends and I was hoping to see something from them like photos or a message or something, but the only thing we heard was that they said it was "better" than R1. On February 25th, we were informed that by the next Sunday about 150 boards would be completed but nothing was shown of them either. February 22nd there were 3 pictures of a rukia shared, but when someone asked if those were in-house manufactured R2, they did not get a reply.

I was hoping I would see an update here regarding why the server was locked as no message or pin was made by Jaxx or the mods that I could see, but it looks like there's only been one update to this post and that was after the board was late in November. Hearing "next month" 4-5 times with nothing else despite also indicating there are finished boards in hand is concerning to me. Please let me know if this request is unreasonable.

The new timeline was hopefully shipping by mid April AFAIK. I get it, it's a tough wait, but Jaxx is a stand up guy we will get our boards. The poor man, had to take a trip to the hospital cause of overworking himself a few weeks ago. So I'm sure he's doing everything he can to get us our boards as fast as possible.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Full on Fri, 19 March 2021, 11:21:58
ilu Jaxx, cant wait to get my r2, stay safe and keep on rocking!  :-*
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jbrandona119 on Tue, 20 April 2021, 07:17:36
Another month, another lack of updates from Jaxx but more from the mods apparently representing him. Now it’s the PCB manufacturer, despite implying PCBs were all set months ago. I am not sure how that’s even possible  because dozens of boards were supposedly ready to ship and were being made weekly. It took this long to figure out a PCB issue?

Refunds are no longer possible either, which the mods loved to flex as such a huge and gracious thing that we should be honored to have the option to do. Option gone, server completely locked and channels deleted or hidden.

May 10th is now the projected shipping date. No indication as to why, what the next move is, photos of the finished boards waiting for PCBs, nothing. No photos of the 300 boards that were apparently received. No photos of the aluminum tops that seem to never be mentioned.

This isn’t a “tough wait” either. I don’t need this board right now. It has nothing to do with patience and framing it as such is an attempted redirection of the conversation. I’m not concerned about when these come. I’m concerned about their existence at all, the lack of clarity, honesty etc.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Drudoo on Tue, 20 April 2021, 07:26:45
Another month, another lack of updates from Jaxx but more from the mods apparently representing him. Now it’s the PCB manufacturer, despite implying PCBs were all set months ago. I am not sure how that’s even possible  because dozens of boards were supposedly ready to ship and were being made weekly. It took this long to figure out a PCB issue?

Refunds are no longer possible either, which the mods loved to flex as such a huge and gracious thing that we should be honored to have the option to do. Option gone, server completely locked and channels deleted or hidden.

May 10th is now the projected shipping date. No indication as to why, what the next move is, photos of the finished boards waiting for PCBs, nothing. No photos of the 300 boards that were apparently received. No photos of the aluminum tops that seem to never be mentioned.

This isn’t a “tough wait” either. I don’t need this board right now. It has nothing to do with patience and framing it as such is an attempted redirection of the conversation. I’m not concerned about when these come. I’m concerned about their existence at all, the lack of clarity, honesty etc.

I can only agree. The fact that no pictures of the completed boards has been shown is ridiculous. Why wasn't the PCB issue mentioned earlier instead of the last possible minute?
If case manufacturing is done, and PCBs are the only issue, then show photos of the cases.

I didn't ask for a refund, as i believe in the product, but with this last "update" i am convinced nothing is done and we wont see proper boards for months (or ever). Why lock the discord, if Jaxx isn't even posting updates? 

I don't mind the wait, i don't need the board right now, but please how some photos and have Jaxx send some updates. With all these delays, there should be regular updates with photos and specific information as to why we are waiting.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: yhs on Tue, 20 April 2021, 11:39:33
Refunds are no longer possible either, which the mods loved to flex as such a huge and gracious thing that we should be honored to have the option to do. Option gone, server completely locked and channels deleted or hidden.

Well, that is how group-buys work more often than not. Say something goes horribly wrong with a manufacturer and the project turns into a disaster, would you consider it fair to have everyone demand a refund and leave the GB runner in a ton of debt and unable to take the relevant legal action to get compensated by the manufacturer who screwed up? I figure a lot less people would be willing to run group-buys if people did not waive their right to a refund.

This isn’t a “tough wait” either. I don’t need this board right now. It has nothing to do with patience and framing it as such is an attempted redirection of the conversation. I’m not concerned about when these come. I’m concerned about their existence at all, the lack of clarity, honesty etc.

I must admit I have not followed this GB closely (although I am participating), and I certainly do understand that uncertainty is unpleasant and that some group-buys would benefit immensely by being a lot more transparent. But let's give Jaxx a chance here. I purchased a M60 Olivia from RAMA in January 2020 and was told estimated time of shipping was 3-4 months. 16 months later it still has not shipped and I don't see people going nuts about that.

I didn't ask for a refund, as i believe in the product, but with this last "update" i am convinced nothing is done and we wont see proper boards for months (or ever). Why lock the discord, if Jaxx isn't even posting updates? 

Update explicitly states why the Discord server was locked. "I've let discourse go on in the channels hoping that people would find some positivity in it, but it's more a detriment than anything right now."

I don't mind the wait, i don't need the board right now, but please how some photos and have Jaxx send some updates. With all these delays, there should be regular updates with photos and specific information as to why we are waiting.

1) If you don't mind the wait why are you on Geekhack stating you are convinced "we wont see proper boards for months (or ever)?
2) The latest update states that the PCBs have issues?

I agree that posting photos of cases and whatnot might provide some comfort, but with all the issues this GB has faced I imagine Jaxx is plenty busy and stressed out as it is. Not to mention all the hateful messages the dude has to scroll through on Discord.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Drudoo on Tue, 20 April 2021, 12:56:40
1) If you don't mind the wait why are you on Geekhack stating you are convinced "we wont see proper boards for months (or ever)?

 I don't mind wait times if proper updates are posted regularly with photos on the progress. Before we see actual evidence of any completed boards, we are all just trusting whatever Jaxx or the discord moderators says.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Thu, 22 April 2021, 01:26:32
I would have to agree with some others on this thread, there are a lot of things about this groupbuy that have left me feeling very uneasy about the entire thing. This is not really a thing of patience, but more about being left in the dark, and then given many different false promises. There have been many issues with this GB, and I wanted to address a few of them:

First, this GB was started after the pandemic was started, with a delivery date of Q3 or Q4 2020. Obviously that did not happen and there is a lot that has happened during the pandemic, so this is to be expected. The first concrete update that we finally got for the GB was "boards will ship by Thanksgiving". We were told PCBs were almost done at this time, and boards would be ready soon. As Thanksgiving approached, we were then told that date was slipping to Christmas. This would be the 1st of many false timelines and delays.

Around the time of the Christmas delay, was when we learned about Jaxx's new plan to fulfil this GB, to manufacture everything in house. Apparently the overseas manufacturer became unreliable, so this was how Jaxx planned to move forward. This caught me by surprise, as up until this point everything was supposed to be manufactured by the previous manufacturer overseas. This was a huge concern, and although others spoke out about this, they were shamed for saying anything. Already past the deadline for the GB, Jaxx had now decided that he was basically going to start over and try to do everything himself, inhouse. This is no easy feat, as many other reputable manufacturers in the space have talked about. We were starting at ground zero. Jaxx assured us it would be easy, and boards would be done soon. *narrator*: he was wrong.

This is the start of many more promises of timelines, lack of updates, and setbacks. Updates are only given when people ask for them, and often when people ask in the Discord server, they are attacked by white knights in the server for ever doubting Jaxx. There has become a bit of unhealthy blind faith and toxicity in the Discord server, which has led to many people coming to troll, and now the server is completely locked down.

To this day, we have never actually seen any tangible proof that anything from this GB actually exists. Even though things are being made inhouse, Jaxx still has not shown a single picture of things in progress, or finished products. There has been absolutely no proof that anything is actually being done. This would make more sense if things were still being done overseas, but there is no excuse if things are being done in house. I know Jaxx apparently works on secret government things for work, so his new workshop is "private", but why not take some boards outside and take some pictures, show off all the hard work he has been doing? All of it seems a bit strange to me, and quite disconcerting.

Our most recent delay is now something related to PCB issues. These PCBs were said to have been done back in the summer according to Gondo, so why are we just now hearing about these issues? It sounds like another excuse.

Another thing that has become quite irritating about this GB is the amount of playing victim that Jaxx does. He constantly talks about how he is working non-stop to get things out. While this may be true, sadly we have not seen anything to back this up. All others have seen is him constantly throwing out gifted twitch subs to random streamers, which has honestly become a little weird.

I was incredibly excited for this board when the GB first started, but with another delay, a now locked down Discord server, I am starting to think that the only way I will ever see something from this GB is to issue a chargeback with my credit card...
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: gatinas on Thu, 22 April 2021, 12:02:28
As someone who was not in on this GB, but has heard and watched things slowly fall apart, this feels more and more like a scam. Not even going to go into the "sekrit government" stuff on a "new warehouse" cause let's be honest...

I know a few people have had success with charge backs on the cards used to purchase since this obviously isn't coming to fruition with any type of reasonable timeline. It's not ideal, but hey, since jaxx isn't honoring refunds anymore and just plans to sell the "cancelled orders" as extras, then why not.

Hope everyone has a great weekend!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Thu, 22 April 2021, 23:37:13
They are definitely not being honest about whats really going on with the manufacturing. Its my bet that he got ripped off by his overseas manufacturer and never received a product at all.  Hes been trying to figure out some other option for people with the money he has left and other money he can contribute personally but he is in over his head. After stringing people along for another few months hell come up with some grand reason the whole thing needs to be cancelled and how its ruined his life and blah blah blah. Wouldnt be surprised to Rukia stay as an R1 board forever.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solianne on Fri, 23 April 2021, 15:08:36
is there any way i can refund all of the gift subs I got from Jaxxstatic? i would like to help keep this buy afloat if that means the money will go back to him. thank you.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Fri, 23 April 2021, 22:38:33
]Just saw the new update from Jaxx. I just wondered if clarification could be provided about the Rukia R2 that I may have missed. All the units from the original manufacturer were lost? damaged? never shipped? If so, all the units will be newly made by Jaxx himself in USA? I have not been following the details.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Aritega on Sat, 24 April 2021, 00:47:31
]Just saw the new update from Jaxx. I just wondered if clarification could be provided about the Rukia R2 that I may have missed. All the units from the original manufacturer were lost? damaged? never shipped? If so, all the units will be newly made by Jaxx himself in USA? I have not been following the details.

Basically the manufacturer shipped by boat when he didn't ask for it. So while it was stuck on boat, he started making the boards in-house and when the boards (that was shipped by boat) arrived, they were damaged but he's checking to see if he can refinish them. I believe all the units will be made by himself.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Sat, 24 April 2021, 01:58:02
]Just saw the new update from Jaxx. I just wondered if clarification could be provided about the Rukia R2 that I may have missed. All the units from the original manufacturer were lost? damaged? never shipped? If so, all the units will be newly made by Jaxx himself in USA? I have not been following the details.

Basically the manufacturer shipped by boat when he didn't ask for it. So while it was stuck on boat, he started making the boards in-house and when the boards (that was shipped by boat) arrived, they were damaged but he's checking to see if he can refinish them. I believe all the units will be made by himself.

Thanks for the info. I do remember that update as well. I guess it might be a combination of new boards made by him in USA and whatever is salvageable from the damaged shipment. I guess we will see with additional incoming updates. I hope everything goes well for him.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ZyBeR on Sat, 24 April 2021, 07:58:24
]Just saw the new update from Jaxx. I just wondered if clarification could be provided about the Rukia R2 that I may have missed. All the units from the original manufacturer were lost? damaged? never shipped? If so, all the units will be newly made by Jaxx himself in USA? I have not been following the details.
New update?! Where?

Great to hear that the original boards has arrived and that he's been working on the in-house manufacturing - now I don't see any valid excuse not to post some pictures, preferably with timestamps so nothing is left to speculations.

As someone pointed out earlier, the whole playing a victim thing is just noncens. The time money exchanged hands Jaxx became a seller and we customers - hence it turned into business and should be handled accordingly.

I still have hopes this will turn out good, that's why I haven't posted earlier nor asked for a refund. Though failing to hit mileatones, post pictures or even give frequent updates is getting annoying and far below what could be expected.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Sat, 24 April 2021, 16:44:20
]Just saw the new update from Jaxx. I just wondered if clarification could be provided about the Rukia R2 that I may have missed. All the units from the original manufacturer were lost? damaged? never shipped? If so, all the units will be newly made by Jaxx himself in USA? I have not been following the details.
New update?! Where?

Great to hear that the original boards has arrived and that he's been working on the in-house manufacturing - now I don't see any valid excuse not to post some pictures, preferably with timestamps so nothing is left to speculations.

As someone pointed out earlier, the whole playing a victim thing is just noncens. The time money exchanged hands Jaxx became a seller and we customers - hence it turned into business and should be handled accordingly.

I still have hopes this will turn out good, that's why I haven't posted earlier nor asked for a refund. Though failing to hit mileatones, post pictures or even give frequent updates is getting annoying and far below what could be expected.
the updates are in the discord.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ZyBeR on Sun, 25 April 2021, 11:38:58
]Just saw the new update from Jaxx. I just wondered if clarification could be provided about the Rukia R2 that I may have missed. All the units from the original manufacturer were lost? damaged? never shipped? If so, all the units will be newly made by Jaxx himself in USA? I have not been following the details.
New update?! Where?

Great to hear that the original boards has arrived and that he's been working on the in-house manufacturing - now I don't see any valid excuse not to post some pictures, preferably with timestamps so nothing is left to speculations.

As someone pointed out earlier, the whole playing a victim thing is just noncens. The time money exchanged hands Jaxx became a seller and we customers - hence it turned into business and should be handled accordingly.

I still have hopes this will turn out good, that's why I haven't posted earlier nor asked for a refund. Though failing to hit mileatones, post pictures or even give frequent updates is getting annoying and far below what could be expected.
the updates are in the discord.
Locks the Discord - Post updates in the locked server..
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Sun, 25 April 2021, 21:57:46
Well I guess we are famous on r/mk now: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/myn9e8/latest_rukia_r2_update/

( FYI this wasn't me, but I'm glad that others feel the same)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Wed, 05 May 2021, 13:27:28
Happy May 5th everyone! Looking forward to our promised update with pictures today, since the promised weekly updates have yet to happen.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Wed, 05 May 2021, 15:50:03
Almost 5pm est..
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Wed, 05 May 2021, 18:36:42
Almost 5pm PST now...

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/aa574640b0f3e2c22a4798233212e35d/tenor.gif?itemid=13052487)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: crosscutgymnast on Wed, 05 May 2021, 18:48:29
waiting
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ksus on Wed, 05 May 2021, 23:56:14
Starting at 9:44PM PST, he posted a handful of photos that show little to nothing.

The main photograph is a comparison of what he purports to be a Rukia R2 manufactured overseas vs. the ones produced "in-house.'

In the photos, there are only 3 keyboards and 11 boxes. Shipping is supposed to start next week, and we have yet to receive proof that any more than 3 keyboards exist.

Time to get a lawyer.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Thu, 06 May 2021, 00:04:13
Yeah definitely not satisfied by that update. That's basically only 3 boards made "in-house" and the pictures are pretty low quality. All the CNC pictures are pointless because you can't see anything at all. It basically proves nothing except being able to take pictures of a CNC machine doing who know's what. For 2 weeks of planning this update, seems pretty low quality. Also no PCBs yet and shipping supposed to be starting in ~5 days, I have many doubts.

Time to call my credit card company...
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Thu, 06 May 2021, 00:12:57
K update did arrive. It is something. I was hoping to see a picture of all the boards in 1 pic. *meditate*
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Thu, 06 May 2021, 00:22:34
Yeah even if there weren't many made in house now, if boards were ordered from overseas, shouldn't we have seen ~150 of them?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Thu, 06 May 2021, 08:10:27
"They are being refinished". NGL its better then nothing but this still feels like itll end up being a rug pull.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: finalarcadia on Thu, 06 May 2021, 10:22:06
How about next time you all understand there's risk involved with all GBs and don't join? By doing chargebacks you're only causing problems for the rest of us who actually believe this will get done.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: zekkin on Thu, 06 May 2021, 10:50:41
How about next time you all understand there's risk involved with all GBs and don't join? By doing chargebacks you're only causing problems for the rest of us who actually believe this will get done.

You're not wrong about inherent risks in group buys, but at some point the consumer becomes frustrated with lack of updates and just utter silence from Jaxxstatic. I would wager that if there had been a regular update schedule (even if there was no real news to report) throughout the last year, it would have calmed a lot of the uncertainty and animosity that's floating around with this GB right now.

Jaxx says he is trying to get time weekly to provide updates on progress, which is great and necessary for the "health" of this group buy, his reputation, as well as his planned future projects (Irma, etc). If photos can't be shared in a regular weekly interval, figure  out an interval that can and stop hiding behind the SCIF excuse -- no one in the group buy asked the entire manufacturing process to be placed in a secure government facility that does not allow photos and it should not be a burden that's placed on the customer.

With the time in-between photo updates, post text-based updates here and in Discord.

This community is understanding when given the information needed to understand. If nothing is provided then conclusions will be jumped to and in the grand scheme of this hobby, it hurts all of us.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: finalarcadia on Thu, 06 May 2021, 10:59:54
Agreed that communication should’ve been better and could still be improved. However, doing a chargeback now after we’ve literally gotten a good update and photos is unwarranted. He has a reason why there are so few photos. Give him some time, and do your chargebacks if/when we have radio silence again.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: pears on Thu, 06 May 2021, 11:49:47
I have 0 vested interest in this board as I am not a part of the GB, however, some things that have been said throughout the previous updates make so very little sense to me.

For the recent update, I think people were lead to believe it would be a bit more substantial than what was provided. With a 2 week lead time for this, it probably shouldn't have had to wait until 10pm or whatever it was on the day that was said. The "at least we got something" is a good when there were more than likely no expectations set. But with what appears to have been some expectations set ("we expected the 150 boat boards", "we expected more than 3 in-house boards", etc), stating that you did not meet your own expectations for the update feels like it warrants an explanation as to why. All of the good buys I have been a part of have always had setbacks and delays, but what made them feel good was the runner accepting things they ****ed up and giving a reason for it. I assume this is the hard part and more than likely something you don't want to admit to yourself. Is that the case here? No clue, but the only times I've seen a explanation of "why" was due to someone else.

My understanding of the group buy was that boards were never meant to be made in-house by Jaxxstatic. People joined the buy with the understanding that a factory was going to be producing them and they would be sent back to Jaxx and then sent out to everyone. An order was made and the boards were sent mistakenly (again pushing blame onto another party) by a boat with no potential ETA. This is fine if it's a true mistake. You can say "I didn't follow up with them enough and they just chose the cheaper option". People will probably be a little annoyed, but there will more than likely not be a huge backlash. Instead coming in and saying that since they were on a boat you were going to start up a workshop and get all the hardware and tooling and knowledge to machine these yourself just seems ****ing crazy to me. There are huge startup costs to anything like this. Unless you already have a large workshop, it doesn't make sense at all to me, to swap the method for the current GB to something else. Was this done on a whim by Jaxx? Was anyone in the GB polled or asked about it? Not sure, again not part of the buy. Maybe everyone said to do it. Also have no idea where the funding for that comes from, unless it's from the GB funding. None of this has mentioned that the 150 boards (PC, alu tops, cf plates) were only part of a first batch. There were around 500 total boards ordered (500 buys or maybe 500 with extras). Was the plan to get 150 out first and then wait for the rest of the 350? Has there been anything said about the original order of 500? Were only 150 ordered with the original manu? Was it always the plan to make the other 350 or whatever in-house? Why wouldn't the other 350 boards been put into the manu's pipeline so they could also be done while the boat is on the way?

The boards on that boat arrived and apparently all of them were damaged to the point that they all needed to be re-finished, or the majority did, no photos or info about this. The reason for this was something along the lines of a customs agent opened the boxes or crates with a box cutter or something? Not sure, that seems silly. Lets have a hypothetical. Jaxx didn't decide to machine all of these boards in-house. He was just patiently waiting for the boat to arrive. He gets the 150 boards and they are all damaged. He has no way to refinish what he can along with make new ones to replace the ones that can't be fixed. Where was the plan for this? I think in any GB it's expected that at least some boards show up a bit damaged and we have taken to ordered extras to make up for that. Were extras ordered? I don't even know as that's never been part of the updates.

I've never run a GB. I've never been a part of the behind the scenes. I have made mistakes. I have tried to cover up those mistakes. I have learned that doing so is just a bad idea and being honest is the best course of action. The updates that I've seen do not feel fully honest. I know I have seen talk of people hoping this whole GB fails and that is a ****ty ****ing thing to want to happen. If we were able to have a new States-side manufacturer that has been deep in the hobby for a while, I think that would help everyone who enjoys this hobby. I think what people are looking for is a plan forward. If you cannot provide that, I do not see anyone really putting trust into the business that many would want to succeed.

That's all. A nice long stream of consciousness that people can tear into. And hopefully Jaxx reads and takes something away from.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 06 May 2021, 12:27:30
How about next time you all understand there's risk involved with all GBs and don't join? By doing chargebacks you're only causing problems for the rest of us who actually believe this will get done.

I'm not part of this GB so I don't have a dog in the race, but joining a GB isn't the same as buying a lotto ticket.

The GB runner is taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from customers and the only thing the customers have is trust. Often times, we don't even have a name; just an internet handle. The GB participants have fulfilled their obligation by providing financial support. The GB runner's obligation is to maintain that trust and fulfill the GB.

If he cannot be bothered to put in minimal effort to maintain that trust, then he has a problem on his hands.

This hobby has moved far beyond the original GBs of yesteryears where it was just a guy who wanted to run a board (probably for nominal profit or sometimes even at a loss) and the purpose of the GB was to finance the board that the GB runner wanted. Jaxx is running a for-profit business and, as such, should be treated as a business-owner.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Thu, 06 May 2021, 14:12:42
Hello,

I'll try and make this a timeline-type format to make things a little bit clearer.

3/14/20 - announcement in Discord that a Round 2 of Rukia going to happen. I mention setting up my own manufacturing, but it's not ready yet. Rukia will be manufactured overseas for the last time. 
3/21/20 - Rukia Group Buy starts with no announcement or advertising due to emerging COVID situation--main concern being that customers' livelihoods and health are unsure.
Polycarbonate (PC) and Special Edition (SE) versions go on sale on the site. SE is stainless steel/carbon fiber version 30 units FCFS.
3/23/20 - A green dyed limited edition (LE) version of Rukia becomes available through a special Discord event involving trivia and scavenger hunt.
5/3/20 - The GB ends (a couple people with extenuating circumstances request to purchase a few days after).
Totals:
SE (30) + LE (10) + PC (310) + ~30% =500
I take one week re-checking individual orders to make sure parts orders number totals are correct.
5/11/20 - Order made to manufacturer. Expected delivery to me is August/September.
5/15/20 - notice about refunds
5/22/20 - notice about possible delays with Gondolindrim's work on PCBs due to COVID situation in Brazil among other issues.
7/7/20 - first SE attempt by manu unsatisfactory
8/5/20 - update on delays and progress - aluminum top anodizing, PC dye for LE, and SE bottom samples asked to be redone
8/16/20 - announcement about moving to completely in-house manufacturing
9/22/20 - Gondo finishes PCB
9/30/20 - announcement about request for batch samples from factory--confirms need for boards to be redone. Shooting for before Christmas.
10/31/20 - announcement about knobs
11/1/20 - update regarding moving into production facility and separate warehouse and inspections
11/13/20 - notice from manu that boards are ready to ship, so I put out an update stating that shipping expected in January, giving me enough time to QC and also do hand finishing on SE
12/5/20 - announcement about dates slipping and shipment being on a boat
12/12/20 - announcement about not being satisfied with waiting on shipment, so doing what I need to do (getting materials) to manufacture in house. hope for february
12/30/20 - first in-house Rukias successfully made. Finish needs to be worked on. This takes a while
1/12/20 - no update kind of update. just waiting and working. This incites a toxic back and forth in the server. I shut it down for a little bit so people can stop insulting each other.
2/16/20 - update consolidated by Rain - still waiting
3/12/20 - announcement about having paid the customs fee and being notified by customs that there was an undisclosed number of boards damaged
4/19/20 - lockdown the server - more toxicity and back and forth
4/23/20 - update confirming that I got a window on may 5th
5/3/20 - pics

This is obviously VERY abbreviated, but I've tried to be communicative and open throughout. I should have done it in a better, more organized, and more regular way, though, and not just in Discord chat.
From the beginning, this round of Rukias was just an aim to continue to establish myself in the community and give people what they wanted in terms of an Alice layout/compatible keyboard.
I quit my job at the hospital in December of 2019 and decided to go forward putting everything into Mint Autumn as a business. My wife and I are still administrators for my mother-in-law's care home for the elderly, but that is not a reliable source of income.
For much of 2020, my wife continued working as a nurse, but every few weeks or more, she would get exposed, and we would have to find a way to self-quarantine her from the kids, her mother, and our patients.
So she quit and decided to help watch the kids while I work.
Rukia round 2 was not priced with enough overhead to even pay myself or fund future projects. It was intended to be a "farewell" project to PC, but also it would make the SE and LE into reality, which were underpriced compared to what they cost to produce.
In-house manufacturing has always been funded by small business loans. Injection molding was always the goal--a more sane pricepoint for consumers with a more efficient production process but using a material that would give a high end feel and sound compared to what is currently available.

I have had issues with manufacturers making mistakes or not fulfilling on product expectations or missing deadlines, and there hasn't been much that I could do before except eat the losses and figure out a workaround that still gets the customers their boards.
But this time around, I got a lawyer involved to try and recoup some of those losses. That has restricted what I can say-especially about the botched boat shipment and it's frustrating.
But that doesn't excuse being silent on delays or issues. I will fix that and give out as much info as I can from now on.
I also took contract work to pay operational costs (not setup costs)-- the bulk of that is equipment leases, building leases, electricity, and material costs.
That has also limited what I can show, since they share space and use the same machines.

Letting overly enthusiastic random support messages be the majority of what filled the main source of information for the group buy made finding actual useful information difficult and almost impossible to find.
I appreciate the support, but conversations would then polarize into those seeming to pander vs those seeming to attack, and it was useless for everyone. I should have killed the "I love Rukia" trend as soon as it started.
More than that, though:

I should have been more organized, more thorough, and more regular with updates.
I am sorry. I will do better.

I should have used all the available methods of reaching out to customers: Geekhack, Discord, Reddit, email,...Keebtalk? with these regular updates.
I really am sorry.
I will do better for you.

I appreciate everyone's patience and trust in me. It's not something I take as a given.
I am doing everything I can to deliver these to you and fix what needs to be fixed.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Aritega on Thu, 06 May 2021, 14:27:00
Incase if people are curious about the photos, I'll send it here with summaries of what Jaxx said on Discord.

So each kit will come with nylon and steel hex screws. He recommends nylon screws as they are softer and fits tighter without worrying about stripping the threads. If you accidentally overtighten the screws, they stretch a little and then reform back.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777067930831552532/839724350525407272/image0_88.jpg)

Left is the manu, right is made by him. He said it took a lot longer to figure out how he can get the same frosted finish as the R1.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777067930831552532/839724463281274880/image4_2.jpg)

Some weights were damaged along with the cases. He can fix the weight that has patina due to the moisture and how it's been sitting around.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777067930831552532/839724552862695434/image1_13.jpg)

What he can't fix is the scuffs that are deep. Sandblasting and spot buffing doesn't work.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777067930831552532/839724624546758676/image2_7.jpg)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777067930831552532/839724628054507540/image3_4.jpg)

His end mills in the block of UHMW he used to use as a desk.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777067930831552532/839724784246063134/image2_6.jpg)

His machine.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777067930831552532/839724843069866024/image2_5.jpg)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777067930831552532/839724874553753610/image5_1.jpg)

These are the boxes for Rukia. It's large enough to fit both the kit and extra top case (for those who ordered aluminum top). It'll be taped on the bottom front edge that will say "Cut here".

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777067930831552532/839724930052259840/image6_1.jpg)

Last thing he said, he hopes that the PCBs arrive this week so that the kits are ready and then ship out the first wave of Rukias.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: pears on Thu, 06 May 2021, 14:31:14
Hello,

I'll try and make this a timeline-type format to make things a little bit clearer.

3/14/20 - announcement in Discord that a Round 2 of Rukia going to happen. I mention setting up my own manufacturing, but it's not ready yet. Rukia will be manufactured overseas for the last time. 
3/21/20 - Rukia Group Buy starts with no announcement or advertising due to emerging COVID situation--main concern being that customers' livelihoods and health are unsure.
Polycarbonate (PC) and Special Edition (SE) versions go on sale on the site. SE is stainless steel/carbon fiber version 30 units FCFS.
3/23/20 - A green dyed limited edition (LE) version of Rukia becomes available through a special Discord event involving trivia and scavenger hunt.
5/3/20 - The GB ends (a couple people with extenuating circumstances request to purchase a few days after).
Totals:
SE (30) + LE (10) + PC (310) + ~30% =500
I take one week re-checking individual orders to make sure parts orders number totals are correct.
5/11/20 - Order made to manufacturer. Expected delivery to me is August/September.
5/15/20 - notice about refunds
5/22/20 - notice about possible delays with Gondolindrim's work on PCBs due to COVID situation in Brazil among other issues.
7/7/20 - first SE attempt by manu unsatisfactory
8/5/20 - update on delays and progress - aluminum top anodizing, PC dye for LE, and SE bottom samples asked to be redone
8/16/20 - announcement about moving to completely in-house manufacturing
9/22/20 - Gondo finishes PCB
9/30/20 - announcement about request for batch samples from factory--confirms need for boards to be redone. Shooting for before Christmas.
10/31/20 - announcement about knobs
11/1/20 - update regarding moving into production facility and separate warehouse and inspections
11/13/20 - notice from manu that boards are ready to ship, so I put out an update stating that shipping expected in January, giving me enough time to QC and also do hand finishing on SE
12/5/20 - announcement about dates slipping and shipment being on a boat
12/12/20 - announcement about not being satisfied with waiting on shipment, so doing what I need to do (getting materials) to manufacture in house. hope for february
12/30/20 - first in-house Rukias successfully made. Finish needs to be worked on. This takes a while
1/12/20 - no update kind of update. just waiting and working. This incites a toxic back and forth in the server. I shut it down for a little bit so people can stop insulting each other.
2/16/20 - update consolidated by Rain - still waiting
3/12/20 - announcement about having paid the customs fee and being notified by customs that there was an undisclosed number of boards damaged
4/19/20 - lockdown the server - more toxicity and back and forth
4/23/20 - update confirming that I got a window on may 5th
5/3/20 - pics

This is obviously VERY abbreviated, but I've tried to be communicative and open throughout. I should have done it in a better, more organized, and more regular way, though, and not just in Discord chat.
From the beginning, this round of Rukias was just an aim to continue to establish myself in the community and give people what they wanted in terms of an Alice layout/compatible keyboard.
I quit my job at the hospital in December of 2019 and decided to go forward putting everything into Mint Autumn as a business. My wife and I are still administrators for my mother-in-law's care home for the elderly, but that is not a reliable source of income.
For much of 2020, my wife continued working as a nurse, but every few weeks or more, she would get exposed, and we would have to find a way to self-quarantine her from the kids, her mother, and our patients.
So she quit and decided to help watch the kids while I work.
Rukia round 2 was not priced with enough overhead to even pay myself or fund future projects. It was intended to be a "farewell" project to PC, but also it would make the SE and LE into reality, which were underpriced compared to what they cost to produce.
In-house manufacturing has always been funded by small business loans. Injection molding was always the goal--a more sane pricepoint for consumers with a more efficient production process but using a material that would give a high end feel and sound compared to what is currently available.

I have had issues with manufacturers making mistakes or not fulfilling on product expectations or missing deadlines, and there hasn't been much that I could do before except eat the losses and figure out a workaround that still gets the customers their boards.
But this time around, I got a lawyer involved to try and recoup some of those losses. That has restricted what I can say-especially about the botched boat shipment and it's frustrating.
But that doesn't excuse being silent on delays or issues. I will fix that and give out as much info as I can from now on.
I also took contract work to pay operational costs (not setup costs)-- the bulk of that is equipment leases, building leases, electricity, and material costs.
That has also limited what I can show, since they share space and use the same machines.

Letting overly enthusiastic random support messages be the majority of what filled the main source of information for the group buy made finding actual useful information difficult and almost impossible to find.
I appreciate the support, but conversations would then polarize into those seeming to pander vs those seeming to attack, and it was useless for everyone. I should have killed the "I love Rukia" trend as soon as it started.
More than that, though:

I should have been more organized, more thorough, and more regular with updates.
I am sorry. I will do better.

I should have used all the available methods of reaching out to customers: Geekhack, Discord, Reddit, email,...Keebtalk? with these regular updates.
I really am sorry.
I will do better for you.

I appreciate everyone's patience and trust in me. It's not something I take as a given.
I am doing everything I can to deliver these to you and fix what needs to be fixed.

Not sure if my thoughts helped at all, but if they did, I at least appreciate this thought out response to a lot of the points I think I saw a lot of people dwelling on. From the outside it would look like you were stringing people along by just leaving off large chunks of information, but since you are dealing with legal proceedings for some of it, it makes a lot more sense. Those are the why's I think I was hitting on and glad that you can at least give some bit of information about it. Is it an update everyone wants? Probably not, but I think it's the one some people needed to hear from you and really do appreciate the time you took to type it all out.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Thu, 06 May 2021, 16:22:28
Just when you think it cant get anymore fishy -- *Pulls legal proceedings out of ass*
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ghghop on Thu, 06 May 2021, 16:39:24
Just when you think it cant get anymore fishy -- *Pulls legal proceedings out of ass*
He gave a timeline breakdown, what more are you looking for at this point other than to display your distrust/frustration with Jaxx to the world? Obviously it will be difficult, but if his claims of doing better to convey as much as he can hold true then what more is there to complain about other than the continued wait?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: finalarcadia on Thu, 06 May 2021, 17:02:27
Just when you think it cant get anymore fishy -- *Pulls legal proceedings out of ass*
He gave a timeline breakdown, what more are you looking for at this point other than to display your distrust/frustration with Jaxx to the world? Obviously it will be difficult, but if his claims of doing better to convey as much as he can hold true then what more is there to complain about other than the continued wait?

Lol just saw some of his post history and all he does is complain about every GB. Obviously he is entitled and not made for this hobby. Ignoring him.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Thu, 06 May 2021, 17:14:02
Pretty clear the overseas boards never existed at all. But sure you all can believe he cant show how "damaged" they are because he got a lawyer involved. Its interesting that he chose not disclose that during the update either he just dreamt it up overnight it seems.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Thu, 06 May 2021, 19:21:13
Would appreciate it if the next update could have some pictures of the aluminum tops. Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Sun, 09 May 2021, 16:34:32
You win some you lose some this is looking like a L
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Tue, 11 May 2021, 16:52:28
I happen to hop in on discord and saw there was a new short update about beginning shipping 5/24. Just FYI
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Diamagisk on Thu, 13 May 2021, 22:13:54
Pretty sure before the last message in the discord updates channel was edited, some form of update was supposed to come today, guess that's not happening now...
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ksus on Thu, 13 May 2021, 22:23:22
can confirm he edited the original message.

screenshot here of original message vs. edited one.

it's like he's trolling at this point.
[[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]
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Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Thu, 13 May 2021, 22:28:02
Yep was just going to post the screenshot too. Another missed deadline.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ksus on Thu, 13 May 2021, 22:33:21
Like why edit the message? Just say hey sorry everyone, expected an updated today, can't really get to it. Will get to it tomorrow (or whenever he has time).

Editing the message just makes you look like you want to hide it.

@Jaxx you've said countless times you're going to try and be "better." How is this better?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: finalarcadia on Thu, 13 May 2021, 22:35:48
Lol now there's a riot because you didn't get an update 3 days after the last update. Ya'll gotta calm down
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ksus on Thu, 13 May 2021, 22:41:26
I don't care that we didn't get an update. I care that Jaxx continues to miss his own deadlines and commitments, and shows no signs of improving.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Thu, 13 May 2021, 22:47:16
Lol now there's a riot because you didn't get an update 3 days after the last update. Ya'll gotta calm down

It is exactly as ksus and many others have mentioned before, it is not the fact that there hasn't been an update in 3 days, but the fact that Jaxx constantly promises things that he does not deliver. Even updates which can be less than 5 minutes of time, he can't even follow through with. How are we supposed to continue to trust him in a Groupbuy where all we have is his word?

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: olsen34 on Thu, 13 May 2021, 23:27:02
Lol now there's a riot because you didn't get an update 3 days after the last update. Ya'll gotta calm down

How are you this dense?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: finalarcadia on Thu, 13 May 2021, 23:31:10
Lol now there's a riot because you didn't get an update 3 days after the last update. Ya'll gotta calm down

How are you this dense?
I’m as dense as you are entitled.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: switchnollie on Fri, 14 May 2021, 01:53:30
I have nothing to do with this group buy but if you run a group buy and have a geekhack thread you should post updates here as well and not just in Discord, I see it happening a lot recently with everyone making their own.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 19 May 2021, 09:27:03
schrodinger's rukia


it either exists, or it doesn't


you cannot look inside the SCIF so you cannot confirm one or the other


shipment may or may not occur at any time from now until the end of the universe
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: KneeDeep on Wed, 19 May 2021, 09:45:07
I guess in the end I got $450 worth of laughs from this, a board at some point would just be a bonus.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Cuttooth on Wed, 19 May 2021, 09:55:43
I can't presume to know there isn't a personal emergency and I hate putting individuals on blast, but given some recent interaction and what I can only perceive as being ghosted, I'm just more disappointed than anything in all of this.

Edit: This has since been resolved. I wish the best of luck to others here and hope people get their boards.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 19 May 2021, 09:59:14
I can't presume to know there isn't a personal emergency and I hate putting individuals on blast, but given some recent interaction and what I can only perceive as being ghosted, I'm just more disappointed than anything in all of this.

if that's the case, then why not be up front about it? embarrassment sure, but even then it's better to be honest and admit that something is wrong, or you made a mistake or something than to just toss smoke everywhere
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Diamagisk on Wed, 19 May 2021, 12:08:23
With 5 days to go and not a single word or warning to update your shipping address or anything, it's a given nothing is happening on the 24th.

I wonder if we'll get another + 2 weeks.

After promising to do better, how could you not even stick to an update on Thursday. At the time when trust in you and the project is supposed to be critical, the very next step is editing out a message, not following up and acting as if it never existed...

I hate to be confrontational or anything of the kind but, could you please just honestly answer if we'll ever get the boards? The people who want to chargeback will chargeback whether it's now or later, so for those of us holding out hope to get the board and still have some modicum of hope invested... I'd just really like to know.

Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: KneeDeep on Thu, 20 May 2021, 12:19:02
I would like to ask some questions that I think would help put people's minds at ease and maybe put timelines into perspective. With the last update saying the more realistic date to start shipping is May 24th, how many units would you say are projected to ship out? Are you able to provide us with what the production rate is? Of the boards produced, any estimate of how many are passing QC as we know PC can be a pain. Are you planning on shipping in waves or just one big batch? I really feel there is plenty of information that is not increadibly specific that would ease a lot of the tension that people in the buy are feeling.

I totally understand that you want to get this board produced and in people's hands more than anyone else, but as someone in the buy I really feel like we aren't getting a straight answer with whats going on.

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Thu, 20 May 2021, 13:22:41
Just looking for a simple update every week even if the update is "no update" as promised. Otherwise... I dunno..
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: babij on Thu, 20 May 2021, 16:00:07
I would like to ask some questions that I think would help put people's minds at ease and maybe put timelines into perspective. With the last update saying the more realistic date to start shipping is May 24th, how many units would you say are projected to ship out? Are you able to provide us with what the production rate is? Of the boards produced, any estimate of how many are passing QC as we know PC can be a pain. Are you planning on shipping in waves or just one big batch? I really feel there is plenty of information that is not increadibly specific that would ease a lot of the tension that people in the buy are feeling.

I totally understand that you want to get this board produced and in people's hands more than anyone else, but as someone in the buy I really feel like we aren't getting a straight answer with whats going on.

I think these are very important questions for Jaxx to provide specific, concrete answers for. Specifically, concrete answers that he doesn't change a week later.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: clankgy1 on Mon, 24 May 2021, 10:02:35
Mini Update:
*More realistic timeline:
Shipping tentatively (hopefully) will start May 24th.


Status?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Mon, 24 May 2021, 11:35:50
My theory is Jaxx got screwed by his manufacturer and is trying to fix it by using a CNC machine during off-hours at work which is why there is so much secrecy.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Mon, 24 May 2021, 11:51:48
made an account just to talk here since the discord is still locked down.
It feels like theres about a 1% chance the post office receives a Rukia box today. A lot of people have put together lists of great questions that would help with the current state of affairs. I'm hoping that we get a respectful update instead of "mini update: 2 more weeks"

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: themedia on Mon, 24 May 2021, 12:43:22
As someone mentioned earlier, Jaxx hasn't confirmed shipping addresses yet either. Don't think we are seeing these boards for a while ):
 Praying for a detailed update today
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: T.Rex on Mon, 24 May 2021, 17:40:02
Now that GMK Dracula is past color matching will this become the new Dracula?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Mon, 24 May 2021, 21:10:52
Now that GMK Dracula is past color matching will this become the new Dracula?

Dracula at least got regular updates  :))
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Mon, 24 May 2021, 21:40:13
My theory is Jaxx got screwed by his manufacturer and is trying to fix it by using a CNC machine during off-hours at work which is why there is so much secrecy.

Could be. Did not know he worked for CNC manufacture company? I thought in his updates that he borrowed money to start production I assumed he bought a machine with those borrowed funds., Who knows.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: megaforce on Mon, 24 May 2021, 22:08:23
Hmmm yall got any extras by chance?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: clankgy1 on Mon, 24 May 2021, 22:28:17
Hmmm yall got any extras by chance?

You might want to read through the entire thread before asking about extras.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Mon, 24 May 2021, 23:07:58
My theory is Jaxx got screwed by his manufacturer and is trying to fix it by using a CNC machine during off-hours at work which is why there is so much secrecy.

Could be. Did not know he worked for CNC manufacture company? I thought in his updates that he borrowed money to start production I assumed he bought a machine with those borrowed funds., Who knows.

He doesn't have to work for a CNC manufacture company for his work to have a CNC machine.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Mon, 24 May 2021, 23:18:24
My theory is Jaxx got screwed by his manufacturer and is trying to fix it by using a CNC machine during off-hours at work which is why there is so much secrecy.

Could be. Did not know he worked for CNC manufacture company? I thought in his updates that he borrowed money to start production I assumed he bought a machine with those borrowed funds., Who knows.

He doesn't have to work for a CNC manufacture company for his work to have a CNC machine.

Also a true statement. and then?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: keyboardkrill on Mon, 24 May 2021, 23:30:27
I really hope jaxxstatic provides an update today/tomorrow on where things are at. AFAIK the May24th shipping estimate has not be met, that is fine, but communicate what is going on. Please don't leave us in the dark.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Tue, 25 May 2021, 07:52:19
Surprise surprise another missed update from Jaxx who could've called it. Don't dare speak up on it though because that means you are impatient and entitled or you just want to complain to complain /s
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: clankgy1 on Tue, 25 May 2021, 12:52:29
Surprise surprise another missed update from Jaxx who could've called it. Don't dare speak up on it though because that means you are impatient and entitled or you just want to complain to complain /s

Disappointing, but not surprising at this point.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Tue, 25 May 2021, 20:56:13
come on man
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Tue, 25 May 2021, 21:32:43
Despite the apologies and promises to do better and post weekly updates, from Jax himself, still nothing. Server is locked down, can’t even react to posts anymore. This is ridiculous and infuriating.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Tue, 25 May 2021, 23:35:55
What you guys didn't get shipping updates today? JK who thought that was going to happen lol.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Wed, 26 May 2021, 10:25:57
Surprise surprise another missed update from Jaxx who could've called it. Don't dare speak up on it though because that means you are impatient and entitled or you just want to complain to complain /s

Disappointing, but not surprising at this point.

I'm pretty sure he was being facetious.  :))

BTW, I agree. This is becoming a **** show. Amazes me he cannot be transparent and forthright with buyers. At this point, you quit giving BS ETAs because all that does is give false hope and rightfully infuriates some (not all) buyers (just keeps adding fuel to the fire). What you DO do is keep giving frequent timeline updates as to what you are doing and where the bottlenecks are. Doesn't matter if there are no changes, you keep with weekly updates and it keeps your customers in the loop and aware. For a while it seemed like they were doing a decent job of it and then just locked down the server and said **** it. Wrong move as a GB runner IMO.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Wed, 26 May 2021, 14:27:46
Surprise surprise another missed update from Jaxx who could've called it. Don't dare speak up on it though because that means you are impatient and entitled or you just want to complain to complain /s

Disappointing, but not surprising at this point.

I'm pretty sure he was being facetious.  :))

BTW, I agree. This is becoming a **** show. Amazes me he cannot be transparent and forthright with buyers. At this point, you quit giving BS ETAs because all that does is give false hope and rightfully infuriates some (not all) buyers (just keeps adding fuel to the fire). What you DO do is keep giving frequent timeline updates as to what you are doing and where the bottlenecks are. Doesn't matter if there are no changes, you keep with weekly updates and it keeps your customers in the loop and aware. For a while it seemed like they were doing a decent job of it and then just locked down the server and said **** it. Wrong move as a GB runner IMO.

yup. delays and issues always understandable. ghosting and hiding is lame
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: PandaMech on Wed, 26 May 2021, 17:40:40
All bad signs and now just silence this is not looking good. Jaxx’s statements/excuses/reasons/updates and actions don’t match up or add up. In addition to stating he is strapped for cash(low funds) but continues to buy and participate in other keyboard GB doesn’t make sense. (e.g. dolphin tkl GB 4/24/2021) counting from the bottom 31 spaces up you will find a familiar person.  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS8Bg0Ez_WpCmxlzOdaRuMjI3WMSu8Ei6DHlT3WVoW_7-ArHC5QRI0jJspDZAm7OQ/pubhtml?gid=1269326486&single=true


Seems like having issues with prioritization.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: bert039 on Wed, 26 May 2021, 19:51:18
Is it even possible to do a chargeback at this point or is everyone out their money?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 26 May 2021, 21:01:55
I would personally try a chargeback. No point in waiting around and the longer you wait, the less likely you'll get one.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: themedia on Thu, 27 May 2021, 03:33:34
We made it through another day of no word from Jaxx after the last missed shipping date let's fcking go
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kimchijody on Thu, 27 May 2021, 15:47:34
All bad signs and now just silence this is not looking good. Jaxx’s statements/excuses/reasons/updates and actions don’t match up or add up. In addition to stating he is strapped for cash(low funds) but continues to buy and participate in other keyboard GB doesn’t make sense. (e.g. dolphin tkl GB 4/24/2021) counting from the bottom 31 spaces up you will find a familiar person.  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS8Bg0Ez_WpCmxlzOdaRuMjI3WMSu8Ei6DHlT3WVoW_7-ArHC5QRI0jJspDZAm7OQ/pubhtml?gid=1269326486&single=true


Seems like having issues with prioritization.

I've been keeping an eye on the thread. Not excusing what Jaxx has (or hasn't) done, esp in regards to communication. He needs to put out updates more plain and simple. Just sucks to see a minority of people would rather meme/be toxic about it.

However, this point is irrelevant in regards to the buy IMO. I can see why people would view him entering other buys as "problematic". But thinking "he hit on this board and is neglecting the buy" is a bit of a logical stretch. Drawing conclusions about his personal financial situation is inaccurate and a non-sequitur in regards to R2 itself.

He's not stupid. He's not dipping his hand in the cookie jar to fund other gbs he wants to get in on.
How do I know? He told me.
Is he lying? While possible, it's HIGHLY improbable. Speak to anyone who knows Jaxx about his reputation within the hobby and you'll find he's one of the most honorable people within the community. Not only that, the potential repercussions of "short term gains" for him entering gbs -- with funds from R2 is in the state it's in -- will have severe long term effects on himself, his business, and his family. I know for a fact that he wouldn't risk the livelihood of his family for getting a board he wants. Not when he has so many boards, sets, artisans, which he can and HAS BEEN selling off to fund whatever he needs.

People being upset at him or at how he runs the buy, while I personally don't agree with that behavior, I at least understand it.
What Jaxx does or doesn't do with his personal finances, his collection, etc outside of the R2 gb shouldn't be discussed here. We don't know what his personal life is like, and it's not our place to pry.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Thu, 27 May 2021, 16:19:16
All bad signs and now just silence this is not looking good. Jaxx’s statements/excuses/reasons/updates and actions don’t match up or add up. In addition to stating he is strapped for cash(low funds) but continues to buy and participate in other keyboard GB doesn’t make sense. (e.g. dolphin tkl GB 4/24/2021) counting from the bottom 31 spaces up you will find a familiar person.  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS8Bg0Ez_WpCmxlzOdaRuMjI3WMSu8Ei6DHlT3WVoW_7-ArHC5QRI0jJspDZAm7OQ/pubhtml?gid=1269326486&single=true


Seems like having issues with prioritization.

I've been keeping an eye on the thread. Not excusing what Jaxx has (or hasn't) done, esp in regards to communication. He needs to put out updates more plain and simple. Just sucks to see a minority of people would rather meme/be toxic about it.

However, this point is irrelevant in regards to the buy IMO. I can see why people would view him entering other buys as "problematic". But thinking "he hit on this board and is neglecting the buy" is a bit of a logical stretch. Drawing conclusions about his personal financial situation is inaccurate and a non-sequitur in regards to R2 itself.

He's not stupid. He's not dipping his hand in the cookie jar to fund other gbs he wants to get in on.
How do I know? He told me.
Is he lying? While possible, it's HIGHLY improbable. Speak to anyone who knows Jaxx about his reputation within the hobby and you'll find he's one of the most honorable people within the community. Not only that, the potential repercussions of "short term gains" for him entering gbs -- with funds from R2 is in the state it's in -- will have severe long term effects on himself, his business, and his family. I know for a fact that he wouldn't risk the livelihood of his family for getting a board he wants. Not when he has so many boards, sets, artisans, which he can and HAS BEEN selling off to fund whatever he needs.

People being upset at him or at how he runs the buy, while I personally don't agree with that behavior, I at least understand it.
What Jaxx does or doesn't do with his personal finances, his collection, etc outside of the R2 gb shouldn't be discussed here. We don't know what his personal life is like, and it's not our place to pry.

Kimchi

You have been defending Jaxx since the very beginning, and frankly, your comment on this thread feels quite out of touch.

Lets address a few things. Jaxx has publicly stated how he had to sell things like bongos in order to pay for "the electricity bill for machining rukias". This is clearly a public statement of financial difficulties. This is on top of saying he can no longer afford to provide refunds to people.

Also you cannot sit here and gaslight us by saying him lying is "HIGHLY improbable". Jaxx has not kept his word on a number of occasions throughout this GB, and just reading back through this tread from the last month can clearly show you that.

As many people have stated multiple times throughout this thread, there are more questions than answers in this entire GB. Jaxx has done absolutely nothing to garner the trust of GB members. There were many issues and delays with "Rukia R1.5" as well, so it seems like there is more evidence against Jaxx at this point, than for him.

The fact that the Discord server has been locked for almost 2 months and Jaxx has now gone radio silent does not help his case at all. I have already started the chargeback process with my Bank, and I would recommend others do the same.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: pears on Thu, 27 May 2021, 16:27:04
All bad signs and now just silence this is not looking good. Jaxx’s statements/excuses/reasons/updates and actions don’t match up or add up. In addition to stating he is strapped for cash(low funds) but continues to buy and participate in other keyboard GB doesn’t make sense. (e.g. dolphin tkl GB 4/24/2021) counting from the bottom 31 spaces up you will find a familiar person.  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS8Bg0Ez_WpCmxlzOdaRuMjI3WMSu8Ei6DHlT3WVoW_7-ArHC5QRI0jJspDZAm7OQ/pubhtml?gid=1269326486&single=true


Seems like having issues with prioritization.

I've been keeping an eye on the thread. Not excusing what Jaxx has (or hasn't) done, esp in regards to communication. He needs to put out updates more plain and simple. Just sucks to see a minority of people would rather meme/be toxic about it.

However, this point is irrelevant in regards to the buy IMO. I can see why people would view him entering other buys as "problematic". But thinking "he hit on this board and is neglecting the buy" is a bit of a logical stretch. Drawing conclusions about his personal financial situation is inaccurate and a non-sequitur in regards to R2 itself.

He's not stupid. He's not dipping his hand in the cookie jar to fund other gbs he wants to get in on.
How do I know? He told me.
Is he lying? While possible, it's HIGHLY improbable. Speak to anyone who knows Jaxx about his reputation within the hobby and you'll find he's one of the most honorable people within the community. Not only that, the potential repercussions of "short term gains" for him entering gbs -- with funds from R2 is in the state it's in -- will have severe long term effects on himself, his business, and his family. I know for a fact that he wouldn't risk the livelihood of his family for getting a board he wants. Not when he has so many boards, sets, artisans, which he can and HAS BEEN selling off to fund whatever he needs.

People being upset at him or at how he runs the buy, while I personally don't agree with that behavior, I at least understand it.
What Jaxx does or doesn't do with his personal finances, his collection, etc outside of the R2 gb shouldn't be discussed here. We don't know what his personal life is like, and it's not our place to pry.

I think the problem with this reply is that you ignored pretty much all the real issues and only tackled the ones that are easy to pick on like "he spent x money on a gb".

Instead you should be in solidarity with the rest of the people asking for the weekly updates he said he was going to provide. Unless you have more information on why he did not post an update on the 24th, both when he said shipping would start, and the beginning of a new week where if shipping wasn't happening, there would at least be an update.

He clearly has funding issues if he's selling parts of his collection "to pay for machining electricity". This is what sounds like a logical stretch when you say people are drawing conclusions when he in fact stated it was a truth.

I've been part of buys (that are technically still going) where the runner had a good reputation and ended no one has heard a peep from him for almost 6 months. You can only hang on your reputation for so long, and when you give people expectations and then go and do not live up to them, you start to garner a new reputation. Sometimes it's worthwhile to step back and look at the situation objectively.

PS: I think you might be surprised to hear that it isn't a "minority" of people who are upset and wanting answers.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: singabore on Thu, 27 May 2021, 16:44:18
pepelaugh
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Thu, 27 May 2021, 16:58:37
So are we getting an update or not?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solianne on Thu, 27 May 2021, 21:07:42
So are we getting an update or not?

Only the SE buyers get updates now
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: zekkin on Fri, 28 May 2021, 05:47:54
I've been keeping an eye on the thread. Not excusing what Jaxx has (or hasn't) done, esp in regards to communication. He needs to put out updates more plain and simple. Just sucks to see a minority of people would rather meme/be toxic about it.

I think most people here are simply expressing their disappointment in how unabashedly uncommunicative jaxx is. Memes and toxicity should be ignored, but don't confuse that for legitimate concern and justifiable anger.

However, this point is irrelevant in regards to the buy IMO. I can see why people would view him entering other buys as "problematic". But thinking "he hit on this board and is neglecting the buy" is a bit of a logical stretch. Drawing conclusions about his personal financial situation is inaccurate and a non-sequitur in regards to R2 itself.

I generally agree that personal purchases shouldn't be confused for ignoring business needs but I can see where consumers come from in thinking that on one side of the coin he is saying "no more refunds," while simultaneously buying a brand new keyboard.

He's not stupid. He's not dipping his hand in the cookie jar to fund other gbs he wants to get in on.
How do I know? He told me.

Sure wish Jaxx would communicate with his customers like he does with you.

Speak to anyone who knows Jaxx about his reputation within the hobby and you'll find he's one of the most honorable people within the community.

I touched on reputation in a previous post. Prior to this debacle I would agree that his reputation would be considerably good and that you could trust that you'd get a keyboard in the end. Jaxx's inability to communicate when issues arise, when deadlines have passed, when again, customers, are led to believe that shipping would commence earlier this week but instead of sharing why, there's just deafening silence. Jaxx's reputation is not good right now.

Not only that, the potential repercussions of "short term gains" for him entering gbs -- with funds from R2 is in the state it's in -- will have severe long term effects on himself, his business, and his family. I know for a fact that he wouldn't risk the livelihood of his family for getting a board he wants. Not when he has so many boards, sets, artisans, which he can and HAS BEEN selling off to fund whatever he needs.

I don't have any comment on this.

People being upset at him or at how he runs the buy, while I personally don't agree with that behavior, I at least understand it.

So, if you do not agree with people voicing concern and understandable (as you say) anger, how would you prefer it happen? Customers have been trying to get some kind of information out of this whole thing and while toxic behavior may have led to the lockdown of the ability to send messages in Discord, it doesn't prevent Jaxx from providing communication to his (you know it's coming) customers via that same means.

What Jaxx does or doesn't do with his personal finances, his collection, etc outside of the R2 gb shouldn't be discussed here. We don't know what his personal life is like, and it's not our place to pry.

Touched on this earlier, I generally agree.

---

To think, all of this could be remedied (yes, even now) by a simple regular update interval.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Fri, 28 May 2021, 08:40:41
Jaxx left something on your chin bro


I've been keeping an eye on the thread. Not excusing what Jaxx has (or hasn't) done, esp in regards to communication. He needs to put out updates more plain and simple. Just sucks to see a minority of people would rather meme/be toxic about it.

However, this point is irrelevant in regards to the buy IMO. I can see why people would view him entering other buys as "problematic". But thinking "he hit on this board and is neglecting the buy" is a bit of a logical stretch. Drawing conclusions about his personal financial situation is inaccurate and a non-sequitur in regards to R2 itself.

He's not stupid. He's not dipping his hand in the cookie jar to fund other gbs he wants to get in on.
How do I know? He told me.
Is he lying? While possible, it's HIGHLY improbable. Speak to anyone who knows Jaxx about his reputation within the hobby and you'll find he's one of the most honorable people within the community. Not only that, the potential repercussions of "short term gains" for him entering gbs -- with funds from R2 is in the state it's in -- will have severe long term effects on himself, his business, and his family. I know for a fact that he wouldn't risk the livelihood of his family for getting a board he wants. Not when he has so many boards, sets, artisans, which he can and HAS BEEN selling off to fund whatever he needs.

People being upset at him or at how he runs the buy, while I personally don't agree with that behavior, I at least understand it.
What Jaxx does or doesn't do with his personal finances, his collection, etc outside of the R2 gb shouldn't be discussed here. We don't know what his personal life is like, and it's not our place to pry.

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: rpiguy9907 on Fri, 28 May 2021, 08:52:55
This is one of those situations where the GB runner could easily prove what is going on, but will not. For example, he claims he received all boards and they were damaged when shipped by sea and by customs officials. Pictures? Show people a giant stack of boards. Show some of the damage.

He claims he is making the boards himself in his shop. Show some boards in progress.

If only everyone carried a device with a camera on it that could easily upload pictures to the internet… Has he not done this?

People would be instantly sympathetic and understand the delays, even if they are really pissed off about it.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Fri, 28 May 2021, 09:09:46
Funny thing is he still logs into Geekhack daily. Hes just not looking at his own thread or doesnt care to respond.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Fri, 28 May 2021, 10:57:40
Curious if anyone has been PMing him on Discord and getting any replies.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 28 May 2021, 11:03:45
Yeah things are getting sketchy now IMO. A lot of promises made & still nothing. I joined this GB cause of Jaxx's good reputation & prior successful GBs. Although this just goes to show even proven runners can have GBs that goes tits up. Fingers crossed we get our boards, but I can't say that'll happen confidently after all of this.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Fri, 28 May 2021, 11:13:03
Curious if anyone has been PMing him on Discord and getting any replies.


I just checked out of curiosity and see he must have disabled DMs. lol
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Fri, 28 May 2021, 11:26:30
Curious if anyone has been PMing him on Discord and getting any replies.
I have dm’d him on a few different apps and I haven’t gotten a single reply, though I wasn’t expecting to get one
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: singabore on Fri, 28 May 2021, 12:10:10
dam ya'll haven't beeen getting replies? mans sold me some caps like 2 weeks ago
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Abstand on Fri, 28 May 2021, 17:12:35
I wasn't going to contribute to this thread, but as time goes on and my anxiety regarding this gb raises, I feel that it might help to share my feelings.

I am a r2 Rukia buyer, I bought the board, every plate available as well as an aluminum top. My total spent on this buy is close to $700.

I am beginning to get very nervous about this group buy. The thought that Jaxx may legitimately run off is now beginning to enter my thoughts as a legitimate possibility. I cannot come up with a reasonable situation that would cause Jaxx to miss a previously stated shipping window without a single word to all of the buyers, especially with the lack of (quality) updates being a cornerstone of this group buy. My excitement about the board has been replaced with anxiousness.

I have been in the custom MK hobby for a few years now, and have participated in many group buys. Some went smooth, some did not. The R2 Rukia group buy has been one of the most nerve-wracking buys for me, and it seems to be getting worse. I have never been in a buy that ends up getting ghosted by the runner.

For those who have been in group buys that went south, what recourse do the buyers have? Ultimately, I would love to see the board show up one day. I absolutely love the concept, design and want the board. However, it seems that the possibility of this buy failing is becoming more real as each silent day passes. Any advice to those in this buy that may be unsure on how to proceed?

Jaxx, if you're reading this; I am just one guy who fell in love with your design and spent a ton (for me) money to make it a reality. I feel very nervous about how things are going right now. Should I be nervous about what is going on here? Is there any information you can provide that may ease some of the tensions i'm sure a lot of us are feeling about this?

I hope this didn't come across as toxic or aggressive. I know Jaxx has stated he had issues with that in the past. I just wanted to get my very real feelings about this out there and try and find out what the actual status is.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Fri, 28 May 2021, 17:16:24


I hope this didn't come across as toxic or aggressive. I know Jaxx has stated he had issues with that in the past. I just wanted to get my very real feelings about this out there and try and find out what the actual status is.
it’s not toxic, we as buyers are being flat out disrespected. It takes less than 5 minutes to provide an update. It’s been nearly a week since the estimated ship date and 3 weeks since we last got an “update”
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Fri, 28 May 2021, 18:17:42
In all seriousness, everyone should be talking to their credit card company for a chargeback.

You'll probably get denied, but I know that when I had a fraud issue with my Amex, they let me go back a whole year.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solianne on Fri, 28 May 2021, 19:04:06
Curious if anyone has been PMing him on Discord and getting any replies.

if people know any1 in the r2 se buy they should ask them to share the replies jaxx gave to them while keeping quiet to every1 in the normal buy. would think if he could send msgs to people in the se part of the buy he could do that for every1. maybe kimchi can post the updates that jaxx provided there to give an idea of what is happening. probably not going to happen but at least ppl in the standard buy can be given the same info like the alu tops not actually existing since not even se buyers have seen them.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Tyson on Fri, 28 May 2021, 19:40:35
Man, I love the look of this board! Hope they do an R3!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Fri, 28 May 2021, 22:10:32
Curious if anyone has been PMing him on Discord and getting any replies.

if people know any1 in the r2 se buy they should ask them to share the replies jaxx gave to them while keeping quiet to every1 in the normal buy. would think if he could send msgs to people in the se part of the buy he could do that for every1. maybe kimchi can post the updates that jaxx provided there to give an idea of what is happening. probably not going to happen but at least ppl in the standard buy can be given the same info like the alu tops not actually existing since not even se buyers have seen them.

I'm speechless and irked.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: keyboardkrill on Sat, 29 May 2021, 03:29:59
Man, I love the look of this board! Hope they do an R3!

Lmao, have you read this thread? Proceed with caution buddy.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Visionaire on Sat, 29 May 2021, 08:10:36
Man, I love the look of this board! Hope they do an R3!

Lmao, have you read this thread? Proceed with caution buddy.

He's just doing a bit of trolling. ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kimchijody on Sat, 29 May 2021, 18:22:46
Don't worry your mom cleaned it up for me
Jaxx left something on your chin bro


I've been keeping an eye on the thread. Not excusing what Jaxx has (or hasn't) done, esp in regards to communication. He needs to put out updates more plain and simple. Just sucks to see a minority of people would rather meme/be toxic about it.

However, this point is irrelevant in regards to the buy IMO. I can see why people would view him entering other buys as "problematic". But thinking "he hit on this board and is neglecting the buy" is a bit of a logical stretch. Drawing conclusions about his personal financial situation is inaccurate and a non-sequitur in regards to R2 itself.

He's not stupid. He's not dipping his hand in the cookie jar to fund other gbs he wants to get in on.
How do I know? He told me.
Is he lying? While possible, it's HIGHLY improbable. Speak to anyone who knows Jaxx about his reputation within the hobby and you'll find he's one of the most honorable people within the community. Not only that, the potential repercussions of "short term gains" for him entering gbs -- with funds from R2 is in the state it's in -- will have severe long term effects on himself, his business, and his family. I know for a fact that he wouldn't risk the livelihood of his family for getting a board he wants. Not when he has so many boards, sets, artisans, which he can and HAS BEEN selling off to fund whatever he needs.

People being upset at him or at how he runs the buy, while I personally don't agree with that behavior, I at least understand it.
What Jaxx does or doesn't do with his personal finances, his collection, etc outside of the R2 gb shouldn't be discussed here. We don't know what his personal life is like, and it's not our place to pry.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kimchijody on Sat, 29 May 2021, 18:24:13

Curious if anyone has been PMing him on Discord and getting any replies.

if people know any1 in the r2 se buy they should ask them to share the replies jaxx gave to them while keeping quiet to every1 in the normal buy. would think if he could send msgs to people in the se part of the buy he could do that for every1. maybe kimchi can post the updates that jaxx provided there to give an idea of what is happening. probably not going to happen but at least ppl in the standard buy can be given the same info like the alu tops not actually existing since not even se buyers have seen them.

I'll reach out to Jaxx and see if I can push him to put out an update asap. But there's only so much I can do at this point.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: war40ck on Sat, 29 May 2021, 19:29:37
lmfao
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solianne on Sat, 29 May 2021, 21:18:31

Curious if anyone has been PMing him on Discord and getting any replies.

if people know any1 in the r2 se buy they should ask them to share the replies jaxx gave to them while keeping quiet to every1 in the normal buy. would think if he could send msgs to people in the se part of the buy he could do that for every1. maybe kimchi can post the updates that jaxx provided there to give an idea of what is happening. probably not going to happen but at least ppl in the standard buy can be given the same info like the alu tops not actually existing since not even se buyers have seen them.

I'll reach out to Jaxx and see if I can push him to put out an update asap. But there's only so much I can do at this point.

only so much u can do? y cant u just post screenshots of the se room for every1 to see? no need to wait for jaxx if he posted update there. are u saying jaxx did not post in the se channel? i hope u wont lie but u prbly just go back to being silent like jaxx
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Sat, 29 May 2021, 23:37:31
From the look of your picture itd be more likely it was my dad  ;D

Don't worry your mom cleaned it up for me
Jaxx left something on your chin bro


I've been keeping an eye on the thread. Not excusing what Jaxx has (or hasn't) done, esp in regards to communication. He needs to put out updates more plain and simple. Just sucks to see a minority of people would rather meme/be toxic about it.

However, this point is irrelevant in regards to the buy IMO. I can see why people would view him entering other buys as "problematic". But thinking "he hit on this board and is neglecting the buy" is a bit of a logical stretch. Drawing conclusions about his personal financial situation is inaccurate and a non-sequitur in regards to R2 itself.

He's not stupid. He's not dipping his hand in the cookie jar to fund other gbs he wants to get in on.
How do I know? He told me.
Is he lying? While possible, it's HIGHLY improbable. Speak to anyone who knows Jaxx about his reputation within the hobby and you'll find he's one of the most honorable people within the community. Not only that, the potential repercussions of "short term gains" for him entering gbs -- with funds from R2 is in the state it's in -- will have severe long term effects on himself, his business, and his family. I know for a fact that he wouldn't risk the livelihood of his family for getting a board he wants. Not when he has so many boards, sets, artisans, which he can and HAS BEEN selling off to fund whatever he needs.

People being upset at him or at how he runs the buy, while I personally don't agree with that behavior, I at least understand it.
What Jaxx does or doesn't do with his personal finances, his collection, etc outside of the R2 gb shouldn't be discussed here. We don't know what his personal life is like, and it's not our place to pry.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jtangjt on Sun, 30 May 2021, 00:08:19
I'm very disappointed in this GB. There have been so many broken promises and an unacceptable lack of communication from jaxx. I get that delays happen. Personally I don't really mind waiting for a board that I know is going to be lovely. But seeing the discord server get locked down sucks. Checking back on the locked server every day to see if there's an update sucks (hint: there isn't.)  Being lied to sucks. Checking the geekhack page to find out he's got a separate channel of communication for people who purchased the SE board sucks.

I no longer have any confidence that my board even exists. First it was stuck on a boat. Then it was sliced and diced by a box cutter. Then it was manufactured again in house. Then it was stuck in a SCIF because he works in a SCIF and that's where the cnc is. Then jaxx is selling bongos because he's having trouble paying for electricity for machining costs (is this the same cnc machine in the SCIF? Why on earth are you paying your employer's electric bill? I'm so confused and this just feels like I'm being lied to.)

I've heard so many people speak high praise of jaxx and how he's "an honorable man" or "a very trustworthy groupbuy runner." My experience with this groupbuy has given me the opposite impression. The longer this goes on, the more I feel like I've been scammed. I don't want a refund. I don't intend to attempt a chargeback with the bank. I just want my board.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: clankgy1 on Sun, 30 May 2021, 01:37:18

Curious if anyone has been PMing him on Discord and getting any replies.

if people know any1 in the r2 se buy they should ask them to share the replies jaxx gave to them while keeping quiet to every1 in the normal buy. would think if he could send msgs to people in the se part of the buy he could do that for every1. maybe kimchi can post the updates that jaxx provided there to give an idea of what is happening. probably not going to happen but at least ppl in the standard buy can be given the same info like the alu tops not actually existing since not even se buyers have seen them.

I'll reach out to Jaxx and see if I can push him to put out an update asap. But there's only so much I can do at this point.

TBH, I am not really interested in hearing anything from him other than a shipping confirmation.  Story time is over.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: JJae on Sun, 30 May 2021, 02:25:47
For someone who is supposed to be a known member & streamer in the community and have an active role in this group buy, this is just completely unprofessional. It doesn't matter if alwaysbless antagonizes you with a rude comment, you're one of the representatives of this group buy and should behave appropriately. These kind of comments in this thread that already is full of tension and upset customers just worsens the situation, makes jaxx look worse, and makes you look like a child without the capacity to handle the responsibility. Take a deep breath and think before you respond to certain things.

Don't worry your mom cleaned it up for me
Jaxx left something on your chin bro


I've been keeping an eye on the thread. Not excusing what Jaxx has (or hasn't) done, esp in regards to communication. He needs to put out updates more plain and simple. Just sucks to see a minority of people would rather meme/be toxic about it.

However, this point is irrelevant in regards to the buy IMO. I can see why people would view him entering other buys as "problematic". But thinking "he hit on this board and is neglecting the buy" is a bit of a logical stretch. Drawing conclusions about his personal financial situation is inaccurate and a non-sequitur in regards to R2 itself.

He's not stupid. He's not dipping his hand in the cookie jar to fund other gbs he wants to get in on.
How do I know? He told me.
Is he lying? While possible, it's HIGHLY improbable. Speak to anyone who knows Jaxx about his reputation within the hobby and you'll find he's one of the most honorable people within the community. Not only that, the potential repercussions of "short term gains" for him entering gbs -- with funds from R2 is in the state it's in -- will have severe long term effects on himself, his business, and his family. I know for a fact that he wouldn't risk the livelihood of his family for getting a board he wants. Not when he has so many boards, sets, artisans, which he can and HAS BEEN selling off to fund whatever he needs.

People being upset at him or at how he runs the buy, while I personally don't agree with that behavior, I at least understand it.
What Jaxx does or doesn't do with his personal finances, his collection, etc outside of the R2 gb shouldn't be discussed here. We don't know what his personal life is like, and it's not our place to pry.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: SpeedoKing on Sun, 30 May 2021, 07:40:29
For someone who is supposed to be a known member & streamer in the community and have an active role in this group buy, this is just completely unprofessional. It doesn't matter if alwaysbless antagonizes you with a rude comment, you're one of the representatives of this group buy and should behave appropriately. These kind of comments in this thread that already is full of tension and upset customers just worsens the situation, makes jaxx look worse, and makes you look like a child without the capacity to handle the responsibility. Take a deep breath and think before you respond to certain things.

I am very upset with the groupbuy and very disappointed with Jaxx, but why is kimchijodyboi supposed to take an insult like that and say nothing?
I'm sure he tries his hardest and this guy just blatantly comes out and starts insulting in a thread that is, how you said yourself, already full of tension?
Your comment is also out of line, at least mention the guy that started it as well and apply the same measure to everyone.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: finalarcadia on Sun, 30 May 2021, 09:12:51
This is the 2nd time at least, his previous similar comments were deleted. Guy should get some nice ban hammer time to reflect
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ghghop on Sun, 30 May 2021, 09:15:19
This is the 2nd time at least, his previous similar comments were deleted. Guy should get some nice ban hammer time to reflect
Agreed. Complaining about the GB us understandable, but blatant trolling in a GB thread should be insta-ban for a bit.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: rpiguy9907 on Sun, 30 May 2021, 13:14:11
Latest update said boards will start shipping May 24th. So people should have product in hand soon and the debate will die down. He also promised weekly updates in discord so another should be coming this week.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Sun, 30 May 2021, 13:29:46
Latest update said boards will start shipping May 24th. So people should have product in hand soon and the debate will die down. He also promised weekly updates in discord so another should be coming this week.

Troll or? The last update was 5/10, nearly 3 weeks ago. He edited that update to no longer day a better update was coming. 100% disrespectful to the consumers
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: lovidore on Sun, 30 May 2021, 13:31:10
That update was more than 2 weeks ago. There hasn't been an update since. He also missed the shipping deadline by 6 days (so far) with radio silence since that last update. Considering you joined the discord less than half an hour ago, I would refrain from spreading misinformation.

Latest update said boards will start shipping May 24th. So people should have product in hand soon and the debate will die down. He also promised weekly updates in discord so another should be coming this week.

On a more general note, my sentiments align with the rest of the folks here. I get that jaxx is a good guy and so on, but I grow more anxious the longer he chooses to remain silent and not update us on the status of this GB.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kimchijody on Sun, 30 May 2021, 18:14:19
From the look of your picture itd be more likely it was my dad  ;D


Oh dear someone on the internet said mean things about me nOoOoOO mY fEeLiNgs. Good c*mback dude almost reminded me of elementary school. Cute. Talk to me when your teeth start growing in bud.


only so much u can do? y cant u just post screenshots of the se room for every1 to see? no need to wait for jaxx if he posted update there. are u saying jaxx did not post in the se channel? i hope u wont lie but u prbly just go back to being silent like jaxx

Firstly, I do not work for Jaxx. I have no access to any pictures, his warehouse, the units, manu facilities, etc. Everything I was doing in the server was just relaying information regarding updates whenever Jaxx got too busy. Because you know...that's what mods do.

Secondly, I'm in this gb just like everyone else. And to those wondering (because people asked) I paid for a unit with my own money. I'm entitled to an opinion and should be allowed to voice them. If I think the thread requires me to respond, I will. Personal attack or not.

For someone who is supposed to be a known member & streamer in the community and have an active role in this group buy, this is just completely unprofessional. It doesn't matter if alwaysbless antagonizes you with a rude comment, you're one of the representatives of this group buy and should behave appropriately. These kind of comments in this thread that already is full of tension and upset customers just worsens the situation, makes jaxx look worse, and makes you look like a child without the capacity to handle the responsibility. Take a deep breath and think before you respond to certain things.

I understand your disposition and normally, that would be the case. But my guy, I have literally been doing exactly what you just said since I've taken up the moderator role in Jaxx's server. Everyone in the group buy at this point has every right to be upset. I'm not disputing that. But if someone wants to fire some shots at me first, that's fine, just realize I don't shy away from conflict. Alwaysbless can be mad at Jaxx, the gb, whatever. Jaxx is his own person and can take care of himself. But if he want's to act up and come for (or on) my ass, sure I can take it. I just hope he can take it too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. People always dm me about updates and what not; some are more cordial than others. I'm tired of being nice to idiots who want to troll me when I have jack **** to do with the logistics of the gb. At least Alwaysbless isn't hiding behind some alt acc like others (I think).

To be clear, this is in no way an attack directed at you Jjae. I'm just stating my personal position and why I chose to respond to him as such. A great many people reached out to show support or had genuine questions and asked in a very polite manner. But as for the rest of them, I'm tired of being nice to people I have no obligation to be nice to.

I'm very disappointed in this GB. There have been so many broken promises and an unacceptable lack of communication from jaxx. I get that delays happen. Personally I don't really mind waiting for a board that I know is going to be lovely. But seeing the discord server get locked down sucks. Checking back on the locked server every day to see if there's an update sucks (hint: there isn't.)  Being lied to sucks. Checking the geekhack page to find out he's got a separate channel of communication for people who purchased the SE board sucks.

I no longer have any confidence that my board even exists. First it was stuck on a boat. Then it was sliced and diced by a box cutter. Then it was manufactured again in house. Then it was stuck in a SCIF because he works in a SCIF and that's where the cnc is. Then jaxx is selling bongos because he's having trouble paying for electricity for machining costs (is this the same cnc machine in the SCIF? Why on earth are you paying your employer's electric bill? I'm so confused and this just feels like I'm being lied to.)

I've heard so many people speak high praise of jaxx and how he's "an honorable man" or "a very trustworthy groupbuy runner." My experience with this groupbuy has given me the opposite impression. The longer this goes on, the more I feel like I've been scammed. I don't want a refund. I don't intend to attempt a chargeback with the bank. I just want my board.

I'm sorry you and many others feel that way. I understand, I truly do. I wish there was something more I could do to assure people as well as myself. But the most I am able to do right now is let Jaxx know and wait.
All I can say is I'm sorry to those who feel frustrated, disheartened, and disappointed about everything that has transpired.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kimchijody on Sun, 30 May 2021, 18:45:03
I think most people here are simply expressing their disappointment in how unabashedly uncommunicative jaxx is. Memes and toxicity should be ignored, but don't confuse that for legitimate concern and justifiable anger.

Agreed. People being upset is justified. But given the recent rise in toxicity from people in the hobby over litereally EVERYTHING happening in gbs rn, I can see how this thread can quickly devolve into genuine pure toxicity rather than the few trolls who want to hide behind alts. Kind of a moot point anyway (at least from my perspective) seeing as how the only one who can quell the masses at this point is Jaxx.

I generally agree that personal purchases shouldn't be confused for ignoring business needs but I can see where consumers come from in thinking that on one side of the coin he is saying "no more refunds," while simultaneously buying a brand new keyboard.

Wish everyone had the same mentality. Pointing at one purchase he made when he's been selling off a bunch of other things and claiming negligence is absurd. Updates aside, what he purchases has no relevance to the buy itself.

Sure wish Jaxx would communicate with his customers like he does with you.

Yeah me too...

I touched on reputation in a previous post. Prior to this debacle I would agree that his reputation would be considerably good and that you could trust that you'd get a keyboard in the end. Jaxx's inability to communicate when issues arise, when deadlines have passed, when again, customers, are led to believe that shipping would commence earlier this week but instead of sharing why, there's just deafening silence. Jaxx's reputation is not good right now.

Agreed. His rep is in the ****ter. Doesn't change the fact that he IS a good person. Then again, given how much **** I've gotten for just being a public figure in this buy, I don't really blame him for wanting to keep his head down...But that doesn't excuse the lack of updates or just general involvment in translating the status of the buy.


So, if you do not agree with people voicing concern and understandable (as you say) anger, how would you prefer it happen? Customers have been trying to get some kind of information out of this whole thing and while toxic behavior may have led to the lockdown of the ability to send messages in Discord, it doesn't prevent Jaxx from providing communication to his (you know it's coming) customers via that same means.

As stated before, here and in the server, I have no problem with people having discourse or expressing concerns or anger about the buy. But directing that sentiment specifically in regards to a single purchase is pedantic IMO. As mentioned before, understandable but a non-sequitur to the buy itself.

To think, all of this could be remedied (yes, even now) by a simple regular update interval.

I mean there was one but...yeah...
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solianne on Sun, 30 May 2021, 19:25:44


only so much u can do? y cant u just post screenshots of the se room for every1 to see? no need to wait for jaxx if he posted update there. are u saying jaxx did not post in the se channel? i hope u wont lie but u prbly just go back to being silent like jaxx
Firstly, I do not work for Jaxx. I have no access to any pictures, his warehouse, the units, manu facilities, etc. Everything I was doing in the server was just relaying information regarding updates whenever Jaxx got too busy. Because you know...that's what mods do.

Secondly, I'm in this gb just like everyone else. And to those wondering (because people asked) I paid for a unit with my own money. I'm entitled to an opinion and should be allowed to voice them. If I think the thread requires me to respond, I will. Personal attack or not.
Sure wish Jaxx would communicate with his customers like he does with you.

Yeah me too...

i dint say u work 4 him bro. i say bc u mod u can post screenshot of the se channel where jaxx has post updates and option for se buyers. pls show where i say u can get photo of things. i say alu tops not exist bc he answer other q's in there channel but not the 1 abt the alu tops so i say they dont exist. y he update se buyers and not every1? u think that is good? y u not speak up abt that? no1 care how u got a board. ppl want answers. u keep sayin u wish u could do sumthing show the updates jaxx give se buyers so every1 knows wat is happening like they know. u can do that ya? i tell u how, press prntscreen button and then ctrl+v paste to thread. u welcum
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Sicowa on Sun, 30 May 2021, 19:43:19


only so much u can do? y cant u just post screenshots of the se room for every1 to see? no need to wait for jaxx if he posted update there. are u saying jaxx did not post in the se channel? i hope u wont lie but u prbly just go back to being silent like jaxx
Firstly, I do not work for Jaxx. I have no access to any pictures, his warehouse, the units, manu facilities, etc. Everything I was doing in the server was just relaying information regarding updates whenever Jaxx got too busy. Because you know...that's what mods do.

Secondly, I'm in this gb just like everyone else. And to those wondering (because people asked) I paid for a unit with my own money. I'm entitled to an opinion and should be allowed to voice them. If I think the thread requires me to respond, I will. Personal attack or not.
Sure wish Jaxx would communicate with his customers like he does with you.

Yeah me too...

i dint say u work 4 him bro. i say bc u mod u can post screenshot of the se channel where jaxx has post updates and option for se buyers. pls show where i say u can get photo of things. i say alu tops not exist bc he answer other q's in there channel but not the 1 abt the alu tops so i say they dont exist. y he update se buyers and not every1? u think that is good? y u not speak up abt that? no1 care how u got a board. ppl want answers. u keep sayin u wish u could do sumthing show the updates jaxx give se buyers so every1 knows wat is happening like they know. u can do that ya? i tell u how, press prntscreen button and then ctrl+v paste to thread. u welcum
considering that your account was made only a month ago you either don't have the balls to ask this stuff on your main account or you aren't in this buy and are here just to troll.
As someone how does have money in this buy.

I don't care about screenshots.
I don't care about apologies.
I just want my board.

And I really don't care for trolls who don't have any part in this buy, I'm personally getting more anxious about this buy as each day passes. And honestly, if Jaxx is reading this forum I would greatly appreciate a post in the discord just saying that he is still working on the boards or something to indicate that he hasn't ghosted the buy. I understand that jaxx is a good guy but this level of communication really isn't acceptable.

I understand that people are expressing their anger/discomfort for this buy via this thread but the people trolling need to stop. Otherwise this thread might as well end up like the discord...

Say what you want about kimchi but he has also paid his own money for this board.
I'm sure that anyone who is in the buy and kimchi himself is sick and tired of low quality ****posts like these.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Mon, 31 May 2021, 08:03:14
Jaxx replied to one of my dm’s. We should expect an update tomorrow.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Mon, 31 May 2021, 09:15:05
Is this the update where he comes clean about the PCBs not actually fitting in the case? Or do we still have to keep waiting for him to finally announce that?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Mon, 31 May 2021, 21:53:08
Lol RIP. We’ll try this again in a few months maybe.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: bigapplepietart on Mon, 31 May 2021, 21:54:10
From Discord
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Mon, 31 May 2021, 22:03:27
From Discord

I don't quite understand how many offered to ship keyboard kits without PCB since I am unaware there were specific PCB issues to consider doing that in the first place. What I mean is how was this communicated? I didn't get an email and it sure wasn't on discord since it was locked up.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Hrage on Mon, 31 May 2021, 22:10:54
There was an update sent to people who bought the SE edition 4 days ago before the update we just got.

https://imgur.com/a/o7ORcfA
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: SDKCAMPING on Mon, 31 May 2021, 22:15:07
" Many have offered to have their kits ship without PCB, but this is not economically feasible to offer to everyone. There are also issues with fitment on many of the now-available PCBs, and that affects a polycarb case that's designed to snap together A LOT (screws/threads, warping, etc.)"

so he is basically saying that the rukia cases as they are won't fit wonderland or other pcb also. so the case itself is  f***ed? why is this only being disclose now if something like this would be known  when he supposedly got the cases in months ago? the last part is even stranger. what does screws and threads have to do with the pcb fitting into the case. sounds more like the cases are severealy in trouble.  these are all things that would have been known when he got shipments for the cases in the first place, it is looking more and more each update like  the cases never existed. show a photo of all the cases together and i am sure it will regain some trust. he showed photos of like 5 rukias and those could have been done by himself or even worse extras from r1. would not be surprised if the kits that shipped this week without pcbs were just some leftover from the first round explaining why they are all so scratched up too. it is a whole lot of speculation but that is all GB participants can really do with this mess

if i am misunderstanding and the cases as they are will work with aftermarket pcbs then really it should be an option to have case shipped without pcb just to prove that there is something tangible in this gb.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: KneeDeep on Mon, 31 May 2021, 22:28:59
Were prototype pcbs not ordered and test fit month ago, or even after in house manufacturing started? With the mention of having to remove about 1mm from the bottom of the case, how many are done and ready for this process before being QCed again? Jaxx, please level with us, your customers, and let us know what’s going on. We’re all adults and can relate to projects getting out of hand, but please it seems like you don’t respect us enough to give us the truth.

I also have to add, how do other Alice style pcbs not fit when people have used others in the previous round rukias and also how it says that in the GB description?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kontradictions on Mon, 31 May 2021, 22:34:51
Were prototype pcbs not ordered and test fit month ago, or even after in house manufacturing started? With the mention of having to remove about 1mm from the bottom of the case, how many are done and ready for this process before being QCed again? Jaxx, please level with us, your customers, and let us know what’s going on. We’re all adults and can relate to projects getting out of hand, but please it seems like you don’t respect us enough to give us the truth.

I guess he couldn't get security clearance for those protos.  :D
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Tue, 01 June 2021, 02:38:35
Hey @kimchijody, could you please contact me on Discord regarding Rukia? Been searching for you. I'm Gondolindrim#9738
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solianne on Tue, 01 June 2021, 04:54:34


only so much u can do? y cant u just post screenshots of the se room for every1 to see? no need to wait for jaxx if he posted update there. are u saying jaxx did not post in the se channel? i hope u wont lie but u prbly just go back to being silent like jaxx
Firstly, I do not work for Jaxx. I have no access to any pictures, his warehouse, the units, manu facilities, etc. Everything I was doing in the server was just relaying information regarding updates whenever Jaxx got too busy. Because you know...that's what mods do.

Secondly, I'm in this gb just like everyone else. And to those wondering (because people asked) I paid for a unit with my own money. I'm entitled to an opinion and should be allowed to voice them. If I think the thread requires me to respond, I will. Personal attack or not.
Sure wish Jaxx would communicate with his customers like he does with you.

Yeah me too...

i dint say u work 4 him bro. i say bc u mod u can post screenshot of the se channel where jaxx has post updates and option for se buyers. pls show where i say u can get photo of things. i say alu tops not exist bc he answer other q's in there channel but not the 1 abt the alu tops so i say they dont exist. y he update se buyers and not every1? u think that is good? y u not speak up abt that? no1 care how u got a board. ppl want answers. u keep sayin u wish u could do sumthing show the updates jaxx give se buyers so every1 knows wat is happening like they know. u can do that ya? i tell u how, press prntscreen button and then ctrl+v paste to thread. u welcum
considering that your account was made only a month ago you either don't have the balls to ask this stuff on your main account or you aren't in this buy and are here just to troll.
As someone how does have money in this buy.

I don't care about screenshots.
I don't care about apologies.
I just want my board.

And I really don't care for trolls who don't have any part in this buy, I'm personally getting more anxious about this buy as each day passes. And honestly, if Jaxx is reading this forum I would greatly appreciate a post in the discord just saying that he is still working on the boards or something to indicate that he hasn't ghosted the buy. I understand that jaxx is a good guy but this level of communication really isn't acceptable.

I understand that people are expressing their anger/discomfort for this buy via this thread but the people trolling need to stop. Otherwise this thread might as well end up like the discord...

Say what you want about kimchi but he has also paid his own money for this board.
I'm sure that anyone who is in the buy and kimchi himself is sick and tired of low quality ****posts like these.

There was an update sent to people who bought the SE edition 4 days ago before the update we just got.

https://imgur.com/a/o7ORcfA

bro Sicowa am i still troll when i say there was se update and no1 know? i was trying to help all buyers get info but thank Hrage 4 posting. i not liar or troll. jus helping citizen. y it matter how old profile is? mayb u trust not every1 is ****post like u think n i help give u push to get money back insted of wait 4 board that never show up
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ghghop on Tue, 01 June 2021, 08:55:31
n i help give u push to get money back insted of wait 4 board that never show up
If your only incentive for posting in the thread is to get people to bail on the GB then don't even post. Despite the frustration everyone has they are making their own choices on how they wanna handle it. What you're trying to do is f***ed.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jtangjt on Tue, 01 June 2021, 09:47:16
So you're telling me that six months after the GB was slated to be fulfilled, we find out just NOW the PCBs don't fit into the case? Would they have fit into the cases that were stuck on the boat? how much has the design changed since December? was there any prototype testing? I'm angry and confused and still not convinced that I'm not being lied to.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Tue, 01 June 2021, 10:19:54
Hey @kimchijody, could you please contact me on Discord regarding Rukia? Been searching for you. I'm Gondolindrim#9738


If I recall correctly, didn't you design the Rukia PCB?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Tue, 01 June 2021, 10:52:02
Hey @kimchijody, could you please contact me on Discord regarding Rukia? Been searching for you. I'm Gondolindrim#9738


If I recall correctly, didn't you design the Rukia PCB?

Indeed. I delivered the files in september and have not heard from him since; no prototype talks, no issues, nothing. I just assumed it was going smoothly. This week I've been receiving tens of messages a day about this PCB (some borderline moronic like "You are silent because you are covering Jaxx up" or "You should tell Jaxx you are doubling your commission charges") when I am not even getting a Rukia and I was not paid a dime of any commissions yet as no units were produced (besides prototypes). Yesterday someone pointed me towards this thread and Jaxx's updates, none of which I was aware of, and it left me infuriated that I was not contacted, warned, consulted, asked or even hinted at regarding the PCB prototypes having issues. It's my logo on there, it is my name, I take pride in stuff I do and being sidelined like this is blood boiling.

I am already in touch with Jaxx about the PCB. He tells me that it has been hard sourcing some parts for the PCB due to the part shortage, and I can't blame him there. This IC shortage is affecting everyone. What I was absolutely not aware of was fitment issues or components being too tall to fit the case; during the PCB development I worked profusely with Jaxx, supplying him 3D model files of the PCB during all stages of the design and altering the PCB to purpose and according to his recommendations, to make sure everything ranging from PCB outlines to connector fit and, ever since september, he has not contacted me about prototypes... which is rather weird because I have not even supplied him a firmware yet. So if he has prototypes they were not tested correctly.

I offered to revise the PCB design and coordinate with the factory and suppliers to swap out any problematic components in order to make the PCB cheaper and easier to manufacture, not by reducing quality but by carefully choosing components that are available at reasonable pricing right now. For every component used there are several alternatives that can replace it with minor to no modifications in the design. Fitment issues will also be discussed.

As for the case manufacturing, or the delivering, I can't say much as I am not involved in that. I am also unable to judge Jaxx on his communication or the way he's been conducting his GB because not only it is not in my realm of responsibility but also not my prerrogative. All I can take responsibility on is the PCB.

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solianne on Tue, 01 June 2021, 11:03:06
n i help give u push to get money back insted of wait 4 board that never show up
If your only incentive for posting in the thread is to get people to bail on the GB then don't even post. Despite the frustration everyone has they are making their own choices on how they wanna handle it. What you're trying to do is f***ed.

bro when business try 2 steal ur money u shoudl know u have rights 2 get it back. this being run by llc company who scam ppl it look like n i try to expose. u dont agree that fine but this seem like huge scam n ppl should know. if u not think scam then u tell what u think  it is.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Diamagisk on Tue, 01 June 2021, 11:08:22
Preface this by saying I am a buyer, not a troll. Someone who actually has a stake in this buy.

Seeing what Jaxx has recently said and what Gondo has revealed to us, I don't think it's feasible to say that at any point along the line that Jaxx has said things were going to be shipped or were ready to go ect ect, that they actually were. For a core component like the PCB to be untested with simply fitment, never mind asking for the firmware which he has not done... I don't understand what's going on at this point.

Can Jaxx just be straight with us about what's happening as it seems like indirect answers that never really address the main issue at hand.

No sleight here, I just wish to actually be in the loop. At least to be seen in equal value to the SE buyers since for some reason they were getting information straight from Jaxx earlier than the rest of us. We ALL put our money in here, the preferential treatment on updates considering the state of the GB really shouldn't be going on.

Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Tue, 01 June 2021, 11:13:51
Hey @kimchijody, could you please contact me on Discord regarding Rukia? Been searching for you. I'm Gondolindrim#9738


If I recall correctly, didn't you design the Rukia PCB?

Indeed. I delivered the files in september and have not heard from him since; no prototype talks, no issues, nothing. I just assumed it was going smoothly. This week I've been receiving tens of messages a day about this PCB (some borderline moronic like "You are silent because you are covering Jaxx up" or "You should tell Jaxx you are doubling your commission charges") when I am not even getting a Rukia and I was not paid a dime of any commissions yet as no units were produced (besides prototypes). Yesterday someone pointed me towards this thread and Jaxx's updates, none of which I was aware of, and it left me infuriated that I was not contacted, warned, consulted, asked or even hinted at regarding the PCB prototypes having issues. It's my logo on there, it is my name, I take pride in stuff I do and being sidelined like this is blood boiling.

I am already in touch with Jaxx about the PCB. He tells me that it has been hard sourcing some parts for the PCB due to the part shortage, and I can't blame him there. This IC shortage is affecting everyone. What I was absolutely not aware of was fitment issues or components being too tall to fit the case; during the PCB development I worked profusely with Jaxx, supplying him 3D model files of the PCB during all stages of the design and altering the PCB to purpose and according to his recommendations, to make sure everything ranging from PCB outlines to connector fit and, ever since september, he has not contacted me about prototypes... which is rather weird because I have not even supplied him a firmware yet. So if he has prototypes they were not tested correctly.

I offered to revise the PCB design and coordinate with the factory and suppliers to swap out any problematic components in order to make the PCB cheaper and easier to manufacture, not by reducing quality but by carefully choosing components that are available at reasonable pricing right now. For every component used there are several alternatives that can replace it with minor to no modifications in the design. Fitment issues will also be discussed.

As for the case manufacturing, or the delivering, I can't say much as I am not involved in that. I am also unable to judge Jaxx on his communication or the way he's been conducting his GB because not only it is not in my realm of responsibility but also not my prerrogative. All I can take responsibility on is the PCB.

Thank you for this information Gondo, it is greatly appreciated. I believe it is clear at this point that Jaxx has not been truthful with us, and boards have never been ready to ship at any point, considering PCBs weren't ordered, and FW hasn't even been requested or delivered.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: KneeDeep on Tue, 01 June 2021, 11:31:51
I would also like to express my disappointment that he was raffling off refund spots knowing full well he did not order PCBs.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Tue, 01 June 2021, 11:43:12
Hey @kimchijody, could you please contact me on Discord regarding Rukia? Been searching for you. I'm Gondolindrim#9738


If I recall correctly, didn't you design the Rukia PCB?



Indeed. I delivered the files in september and have not heard from him since; no prototype talks, no issues, nothing. I just assumed it was going smoothly. This week I've been receiving tens of messages a day about this PCB (some borderline moronic like "You are silent because you are covering Jaxx up" or "You should tell Jaxx you are doubling your commission charges") when I am not even getting a Rukia and I was not paid a dime of any commissions yet as no units were produced (besides prototypes). Yesterday someone pointed me towards this thread and Jaxx's updates, none of which I was aware of, and it left me infuriated that I was not contacted, warned, consulted, asked or even hinted at regarding the PCB prototypes having issues. It's my logo on there, it is my name, I take pride in stuff I do and being sidelined like this is blood boiling.

I am already in touch with Jaxx about the PCB. He tells me that it has been hard sourcing some parts for the PCB due to the part shortage, and I can't blame him there. This IC shortage is affecting everyone. What I was absolutely not aware of was fitment issues or components being too tall to fit the case; during the PCB development I worked profusely with Jaxx, supplying him 3D model files of the PCB during all stages of the design and altering the PCB to purpose and according to his recommendations, to make sure everything ranging from PCB outlines to connector fit and, ever since september, he has not contacted me about prototypes... which is rather weird because I have not even supplied him a firmware yet. So if he has prototypes they were not tested correctly.

I offered to revise the PCB design and coordinate with the factory and suppliers to swap out any problematic components in order to make the PCB cheaper and easier to manufacture, not by reducing quality but by carefully choosing components that are available at reasonable pricing right now. For every component used there are several alternatives that can replace it with minor to no modifications in the design. Fitment issues will also be discussed.

As for the case manufacturing, or the delivering, I can't say much as I am not involved in that. I am also unable to judge Jaxx on his communication or the way he's been conducting his GB because not only it is not in my realm of responsibility but also not my prerrogative. All I can take responsibility on is the PCB.

Thank you for this information Gondo, it is greatly appreciated. I believe it is clear at this point that Jaxx has not been truthful with us, and boards have never been ready to ship at any point, considering PCBs weren't ordered, and FW hasn't even been requested or delivered.

The only reason I am manifesting myself is because

(1) Discord server seems to be locked so I cant do that there
(2) People should know the status of the project and
(3) Albeit generally keeping my mouth shut, I will manifest if people start getting the idea I am collaborating with the situation or a part of the problem.

In no way I am judging Jaxx or his conduction of the GB. The only personal issue I find with this is that a friend of mine, UndecidedShark, sold most of his keyboards and even got indebted to be able to pay his spot on the RE and I was the one to encourage him, so it does feel bitter.

As for firmware: the way my commissions work is, I withhold firmware until the client has prototypes on hand. This is for two reasons:

(1) Control the design process and register what steps were taken and done through timestamps in PCB and firmware commits;
(2) To ensure the client has ordered prototypes, as I have had people ship PCBs with no proper testing and you can guess what happened.

I want to be crystal clear here: all I want is to be a positive force and help this group buy happen. If the PCB is the bottleneck Ill do my best to make it happen. I just wish I was, you know... Informed.

I also want to get paid, so the earliest those units are delivered the sooner I am getting my freedom paper.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Tue, 01 June 2021, 13:29:25
Ok people, good news.

The fitment issue is not a PCB issue, so it is clear. We are just left with quoting prototypes and large-scale quantities in several fabs, and possibly  tuning the design to use components that are better available.

I have done what I could. Jaxx knows I am all his to make this happen and I will do everything in my power to see people have their keyboards.

Now guys, please stop DMing me. Unless its nudes, in which case by all means. Just know I'll send some back.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Tue, 01 June 2021, 13:55:10
Ok people, good news.

The fitment issue is not a PCB issue, so it is clear. We are just left with quoting prototypes and large-scale quantities in several fabs, and possibly  tuning the design to use components that are better available.

I have done what I could. Jaxx knows I am all his to make this happen and I will do everything in my power to see people have their keyboards.

Now guys, please stop DMing me. Unless its nudes, in which case by all means. Just know I'll send some back.

Ok. Thank you Gondo for trying. So when you say it is not a PCB issue that means the earlier statement from Jaxx to LE group stating PCB components have clearance issue will or should no longer be an issues from tuning/selecting the correct or alternative components to avoid clearance issues?

Is it safe to say at this time PCB were not ordered so large quantities of the PCB don't exist and need to still be ordered?

In summary, the remaining issues are in a nutshell.

1. refinish or remanufacture rukia cases & weights depending on the damage
2. order and wait ro PCB?

If only he had reached out and been transparent I'm sure there would have been quite a few individuals that could of offered help and advised as you have. Thank you again.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: KneeDeep on Tue, 01 June 2021, 13:59:49
So this group buy has made no forward progress since September of 2020 is what this all reads like.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: CaravanOfPikies on Tue, 01 June 2021, 14:01:21
Can we join this GB since it hasnt started yet?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: SDKCAMPING on Tue, 01 June 2021, 14:08:38
not surprised it was an issue with the case size- not warping, not threads, etc. it was fairly suspect that something was wrong with the cases when he did not want to ship boards without pcbs instead to try to pass it off as an issue with the components of pcbs instead (becos of course we could use aftermarket pcb instead if he just gave us the case... problem was those wouldnt work either)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Tue, 01 June 2021, 14:32:09
Long time lurker here: I have some friends who joined the GB and I'm hoping they receive their boards soon. Why does Jaxx post updates in a Discord server that has been shut down? I feel like it should be posted on Geekhack as well because not everyone is on the Discord server. My friends aren't active on Discord and check Geekhack.

Also, given the status of the cases AND the PCBs, are there plans to re-open the GB for all the charged-back spots that are happening due to the delays (assuming the board cases are done)? It wouldn't make sense for Jaxx to sit on a ton of Rukia cases.

For the people who only requested the case, what happens if the aftermarket PCBs don't work? Are you just going to sit on an empty Rukia case for months until Gondo's PCBs are complete?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Tue, 01 June 2021, 16:05:33
Ok people, good news.

The fitment issue is not a PCB issue, so it is clear. We are just left with quoting prototypes and large-scale quantities in several fabs, and possibly  tuning the design to use components that are better available.

I have done what I could. Jaxx knows I am all his to make this happen and I will do everything in my power to see people have their keyboards.

Now guys, please stop DMing me. Unless its nudes, in which case by all means. Just know I'll send some back.

Ok. Thank you Gondo for trying. So when you say it is not a PCB issue that means the earlier statement from Jaxx to LE group stating PCB components have clearance issue will or should no longer be an issues from tuning/selecting the correct or alternative components to avoid clearance issues?

Is it safe to say at this time PCB were not ordered so large quantities of the PCB don't exist and need to still be ordered?

In summary, the remaining issues are in a nutshell.

1. refinish or remanufacture rukia cases & weights depending on the damage
2. order and wait ro PCB?

If only he had reached out and been transparent I'm sure there would have been quite a few individuals that could of offered help and advised as you have. Thank you again.

Long time lurker here: I have some friends who joined the GB and I'm hoping they receive their boards soon. Why does Jaxx post updates in a Discord server that has been shut down? I feel like it should be posted on Geekhack as well because not everyone is on the Discord server. My friends aren't active on Discord and check Geekhack.

Also, given the status of the cases AND the PCBs, are there plans to re-open the GB for all the charged-back spots that are happening due to the delays (assuming the board cases are done)? It wouldn't make sense for Jaxx to sit on a ton of Rukia cases.

For the people who only requested the case, what happens if the aftermarket PCBs don't work? Are you just going to sit on an empty Rukia case for months until Gondo's PCBs are complete?

not surprised it was an issue with the case size- not warping, not threads, etc. it was fairly suspect that something was wrong with the cases when he did not want to ship boards without pcbs instead to try to pass it off as an issue with the components of pcbs instead (becos of course we could use aftermarket pcb instead if he just gave us the case... problem was those wouldnt work either)

I know that my messages seem like I just want to cover my ass and leave Jaxx with his problems. But my realm of responsibility is the PCB I was commissioned to design, which fits the purpose of the case and fulfills specifications made by Jaxx. I can state right now that albeit PCBs were not completely flashed and confirmedly working, they have passed a very strict commission, schematic, layout, pinout and manufacturability design check which I run through all my PCBs and has worked for years now but for a few instances. Jaxx has also confirmed he has ordered prototypes and the PCBs do fit tried ordering prototypes and was not able. According to the 3D files supplied the PCB fits perfectly; manufacturing them en masse is problematic right now due to the chip shortage. I am currently back to the draft sheet, talking to factory and distributors, to coordinate what the best re-design solutions are to get this train back on its track.

As far as case design or manufacture, refunds, GB communication and distribution go, I was never involved in that, nor was I ever a part of Mint Autumn. I was hired on a design-by-case basis as a freelance professional, as I do all my commissions in this community. So I can't state anything or take decisions, hence I am not responsible for those.

In layman terms: PCB fits, it works, we just need to figure out minor changes component-wise so it is cheaper/faster to manufacture and uses components currently available. Case-wise, GB-wise, I'll leave it up to Jaxx.

There is another problem here. As a part of the design of the keyboard, I obviously have access to privileged information which was given to me under a tacit, yet well understood, agreement of confidence. Breaking that confidence leaves me in a very awkward position not only with Jaxx but also with future projects as potential clients might deem me not trustworthy anymore, effectively diminishing my value as a designer. So I will not step out of that circle of trust. I do not think Jaxx is ill-intended here, he is just having issues which causes were outside of his control; wether he dealt with them in the best way possible is up to the stakeholders, that is, people that spent significant amounts of money on this endeavour and are now (understandably) frustrated. I am a stakeholder too not because I am owed a keyboard but because I was not paid yet and, well, I need to eat, pay my rent and occasionally I need coffee. Most importantly however is I want people to have their PCBs with my logo on it and think it was a well-designed PCB.

Finally, disclosing that information here will simply not do any good. It is as simple as that. It will only stirr the pot and everyone's already agitated, me included, so I'll refrain from whatever judgement. We will unfortunately need to wait until Jaxx communicates.

So all I am saying is: as far as my PCB designer responsibility goes, my part of the design is flawless and I am going out of my way here. I am not making these public statements to criticize Jaxx, as in saying the GB has not evolved since september, or making the judgement call on his behavior. All I am saying is: the PCB I was commissioned to design works, it is going through a normal -- albeit delayed -- development cycle and I am doing my best to make it a reality. All the rest is up to Jaxx.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: SwitchKeys on Tue, 01 June 2021, 22:28:03
Just a further caveat for anyone who requests to ship their board without all the required components: We've seen instances where this is abused (See KKINGKKONG) for purposes of later chargebacks, particularly if the order is marked as 'fulfilled' etc with tracking. It's a lot harder to convice your bank weeks or months after something was delivered that it wasn't.

I would hazard anyone taking this route to ensure the package is shipped entirely seperately as a seperate order with seperate tracking.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Wed, 02 June 2021, 10:43:46
"more info tomorrow"

- Jaxxstatic, 5/31/2021
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Wed, 02 June 2021, 16:02:33
"more info tomorrow"

- Jaxxstatic, 5/31/2021

Was there an update posted somewhere else yesterday?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Wed, 02 June 2021, 18:28:21
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97020.0

deja vu
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jtangjt on Sun, 06 June 2021, 01:31:06
"more info tomorrow"

- Jaxxstatic, 5/31/2021

This is actually absurd.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: lovidore on Sun, 06 June 2021, 03:28:03
Yeah at this point I'm not even surprised.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Sun, 06 June 2021, 09:34:50
Cmon guys be patient. Jaxx isnt stupid, its HIGHLY improbable he would run of with peoples money because you know, his reputation in the community and all.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Sun, 06 June 2021, 11:51:49
Yeah guys. We should just be patient. I mean he keeps updating the SE buyers in private, and "its going well. better than he even expected". so why would we ever worry??? /s
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solianne on Sun, 06 June 2021, 13:21:45
ne1 else excited 4 new pics jaxx say he working on?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: fishbiscuit13 on Sun, 06 June 2021, 15:36:29
ne1 else excited 4 solianne 2 lern how 2 write
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thicthock on Mon, 07 June 2021, 04:07:02
You guys should vent your anger at Jaxx instead of fighting each other.

Despite that, I find it very annoying that a user is only here to mock the people that have been put into this situation by a
trusted geekhack member. In that regard @solianne go troll somewhere else.

Just ignore that user to be honest. this thread is bad enough without the additional mud slinging.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Full on Mon, 07 June 2021, 05:03:54
There sure is a lot of Acrimony in this thread.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Mon, 07 June 2021, 14:02:45
You guys should vent your anger at Jaxx instead of fighting each other.

Very well said. At this point of the GB and with all the delays, I feel like more communication from Jaxx is needed and the customers need to push him to give the updates but he has been silent here and the Discord has been locked down. The silence and pattern of missing deadlines to write a simple update here or on Discord is concerning. Yes, he is a trusted community member and I’m sure that some of you are friends with him. However, as a business who has customer money in his hands, he has failed to provide good reasons to be trustworthy at the same level of trust he has as a community member.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: smoian on Mon, 07 June 2021, 14:51:10
As someone who has been in a number of group buys with delays, unresponsive runners, etc., the response here feels rather overblown.

Yes, there have been a several runners who have taken people's money and ran. That doesn't mean every group buy with setbacks is a scam. I can't speak too much on this particular group buy as my only information is coming from this thread and Discord, but as long the runner is making some effort (which jaxx appears to be doing), I'm fine leaving it at that and forgetting the whole mess until my board ships.

The only thing that actually annoys me here is that people who are not in this buy are spreading negative opinions and uncertainty. If you are in the buy, then by all means continue adding to the discussion. If you are not, reconsider why you are posting here in the first place.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solianne on Mon, 07 June 2021, 15:11:08
i post to let ppl in on se chat jaxx post in but not to general gb or gh thread like he say he will. if i not in gb how i see se chat when no1 else see it? u may think i am troll but i just here to spread se chat info so every1 in gb can be updated.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Mon, 07 June 2021, 15:16:08
I just spoke with Jaxx briefly. Case tolerance adjustments are moving forward and progressing well. PCB parts sourcing/manufacturing has been resolved and is moving forward with Gondo's assistance. That's a summation of the conversation.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Mon, 07 June 2021, 15:20:55
I just spoke with Jaxx briefly. Case tolerance adjustments are moving forward and progressing well. PCB parts sourcing/manufacturing has been resolved and is moving forward with Gondo's assistance. That's a summation of the conversation.

Awesome, thanks for the update. Is this something Jaxx will post personally here and the Discord server so the other GB participants can know that things are moving along? I have friends who only check the Discord updates so it would be nice to get an official word about it from Jaxx.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Mon, 07 June 2021, 17:02:55
I forget how hard it is to make a short post on geekhack and or discord.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jtangjt on Mon, 07 June 2021, 22:10:21
Maybe it's just me but I feel like it's pretty disrespectful to say that you'll update your customers "tomorrow" or "weekly", and then not do so, over and over again. It's not as if  there isn't any information to be released. The people who bought SE boards are getting updates. Jaxx is also not the only person who can post to the discord or geekhack page. It's almost like leaving out the regular GB customers from receiving updates is a conscious decision. Like come on. You can't just copy paste what you give to the SE chat? or even have a mod do it? Is there a reason we're being kept in the dark? Do these updates only apply to SE boards? If so, does radio silence for the regular GB mean that no progress has been made?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thicthock on Mon, 07 June 2021, 23:16:19
As someone who has been in a number of group buys with delays, unresponsive runners, etc., the response here feels rather overblown.

Yes, there have been a several runners who have taken people's money and ran. That doesn't mean every group buy with setbacks is a scam. I can't speak too much on this particular group buy as my only information is coming from this thread and Discord, but as long the runner is making some effort (which jaxx appears to be doing), I'm fine leaving it at that and forgetting the whole mess until my board ships.

The only thing that actually annoys me here is that people who are not in this buy are spreading negative opinions and uncertainty. If you are in the buy, then by all means continue adding to the discussion. If you are not, reconsider why you are posting here in the first place.

It is nice you can be so chill about it. But many buyers here are scared for their money and have a right to be. That is just as bad as not being part of the groupbuy and mocking the people affected. For some people a whole damn lot of money is on the line. They have a right to be worried of the Groupbuy starter refuses adamanently to give simple updates like:

Quote
Case tolerance adjustments are moving forward and progressing well. PCB parts sourcing/manufacturing has been resolved and is moving forward with Gondo's assistance. That's a summation of the conversation.

That was not by him but by another community member while he promises: tomorrow there will be an update and then doesnt do even that.

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: clankgy1 on Tue, 08 June 2021, 11:22:31
I forget how hard it is to make a short post on geekhack and or discord.

I was thinking the same thing.

(btw, even with my ****ty typing and all the corrections, total time omn this post was < 1 min).
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Tue, 08 June 2021, 11:54:37
I just spoke with Jaxx briefly. Case tolerance adjustments are moving forward and progressing well. PCB parts sourcing/manufacturing has been resolved and is moving forward with Gondo's assistance. That's a summation of the conversation.

Awesome, thanks for the update. Is this something Jaxx will post personally here and the Discord server so the other GB participants can know that things are moving along? I have friends who only check the Discord updates so it would be nice to get an official word about it from Jaxx.

Doubtful unfortunately from his obvious silence. I'm just passing along what he told me in the DM from Discord.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Tue, 08 June 2021, 12:31:34
I just spoke with Jaxx briefly. Case tolerance adjustments are moving forward and progressing well. PCB parts sourcing/manufacturing has been resolved and is moving forward with Gondo's assistance. That's a summation of the conversation.

Awesome, thanks for the update. Is this something Jaxx will post personally here and the Discord server so the other GB participants can know that things are moving along? I have friends who only check the Discord updates so it would be nice to get an official word about it from Jaxx.

Doubtful unfortunately from his obvious silence. I'm just passing along what he told me in the DM from Discord.

Yeah that’s super unfortunate that the updates have been limited to SE buyers and/or reaching out via DMs. I’m sure Jaxx is working hard to fix the fitment issues but it doesn’t hurt to take 5-10 minutes once every week to post an official update on how things are moving along. I’m not here to flame Jaxx but like many people here we are hoping he is learning from his mistakes. The communication part seems like an easy thing to improve for him but he hasn’t shown any improvement.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Tue, 08 June 2021, 12:51:42
I just spoke with Jaxx briefly. Case tolerance adjustments are moving forward and progressing well. PCB parts sourcing/manufacturing has been resolved and is moving forward with Gondo's assistance. That's a summation of the conversation.

Awesome, thanks for the update. Is this something Jaxx will post personally here and the Discord server so the other GB participants can know that things are moving along? I have friends who only check the Discord updates so it would be nice to get an official word about it from Jaxx.

Doubtful unfortunately from his obvious silence. I'm just passing along what he told me in the DM from Discord.

Yeah that’s super unfortunate that the updates have been limited to SE buyers and/or reaching out via DMs. I’m sure Jaxx is working hard to fix the fitment issues but it doesn’t hurt to take 5-10 minutes once every week to post an official update on how things are moving along. I’m not here to flame Jaxx but like many people here we are hoping he is learning from his mistakes. The communication part seems like an easy thing to improve for him but he hasn’t shown any improvement.

I feel the same as you, I’m frustrated but still hopeful of receiving the board. It’s frustrating that he’s aware of the issue, acknowledged it, apologized for it, and said “I will be better” but we’ve seen no “better”.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: TypicalOranges on Wed, 09 June 2021, 09:54:43
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/544293037858095155/845812678626902036/unknown.png)

This you?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: 3ambutter on Wed, 09 June 2021, 16:21:14
seems pretty obvious that jax used the gb money to buy a cnc a machine. the fitment issues are just growing pains of learning how to cnc
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: KneeDeep on Wed, 09 June 2021, 16:58:47
The frustrating part is I didn’t join this group buy to be part of someone’s CNC growing pains. This seems to get glossed over when people talk about buyers complaining about lack of transparency. I regret not taking the out when Jaxx was offering refunds, but live and learn. Guess I’m watching this till the bitter end.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Wed, 09 June 2021, 17:51:41
The lack of updates and lack of transparency is getting absurd. How is it that we just now found out the PCBs have issues or that they weren't even ordered? This kind of breach of trust makes it hard to keep holding on to the GB, but there's also little else that can be done.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: PandaMech on Thu, 10 June 2021, 00:09:23
The frustrating part is I didn’t join this group buy to be part of someone’s CNC growing pains. This seems to get glossed over when people talk about buyers complaining about lack of transparency. I regret not taking the out when Jaxx was offering refunds, but live and learn. Guess I’m watching this till the bitter end.

What? Serious?  I know there were riots but it was confirmed? If so that is jaxx’ed up.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: rpiguy9907 on Thu, 10 June 2021, 13:01:45
seems pretty obvious that jax used the gb money to buy a cnc a machine. the fitment issues are just growing pains of learning how to cnc

At least he trying to fulfill his orders. Woodkeys did the same and then ghosted when his uninsured, used industrial grade CNC machine broke.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kontradictions on Thu, 10 June 2021, 13:12:38
seems pretty obvious that jax used the gb money to buy a cnc a machine. the fitment issues are just growing pains of learning how to cnc

At least he trying to fulfill his orders. Woodkeys did the same and then ghosted when his uninsured, used industrial grade CNC machine broke.
So what you're telling me is that shutting down the discord server, delayed updates with no substantial information, and the lack of communication is okay because it's technically not ghosting. Interesting....
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: CaravanOfPikies on Thu, 10 June 2021, 13:15:02
seems pretty obvious that jax used the gb money to buy a cnc a machine. the fitment issues are just growing pains of learning how to cnc

At least he trying to fulfill his orders. Woodkeys did the same and then ghosted when his uninsured, used industrial grade CNC machine broke.

What orders has he fulfilled? The orders of refunds people requested?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: KneeDeep on Thu, 10 June 2021, 13:32:06
seems pretty obvious that jax used the gb money to buy a cnc a machine. the fitment issues are just growing pains of learning how to cnc

At least he trying to fulfill his orders. Woodkeys did the same and then ghosted when his uninsured, used industrial grade CNC machine broke.

Really missed the whole "he was never supposed to be milling these cases for us in the first place" part didn't ya bud?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Thu, 10 June 2021, 13:38:38
I’m sure Jaxx is working hard to get stuff done but is it too much for us to ask for an update that shouldn’t take more than 15 minutes to write? It seems like every day that passes by without an update will make people get antsy over the situation.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Thu, 10 June 2021, 13:43:01
The frustrating part is I didn’t join this group buy to be part of someone’s CNC growing pains. This seems to get glossed over when people talk about buyers complaining about lack of transparency. I regret not taking the out when Jaxx was offering refunds, but live and learn. Guess I’m watching this till the bitter end.

Thank you, this is something I think people keep skipping over, and really is one of the main issues with this GB.

Also... Jaxx come on mate. How many times are you going to tell us we will get "weekly updates", "more info tomorrow", etc. without actually following through. It is inexcusable at this point.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: samisles10 on Fri, 11 June 2021, 05:31:35
If a class action is open, how many of you will join?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Fri, 11 June 2021, 09:41:45
If a class action is open, how many of you will join?

(https://media4.giphy.com/media/12aW6JtfvUdcdO/200w.gif?cid=82a1493bo2x4cgfqpm3v8qnx9urg6o5atryc5lc26jwlo6xs&rid=200w.gif&ct=g)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Fri, 11 June 2021, 10:31:41
Jaxx is a “respected community member” with 0 respect for the community
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Fri, 11 June 2021, 11:09:34
Jaxx is a “respected community member” with 0 respect for the community


BOOM
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Fri, 11 June 2021, 11:12:19
It has been eleven (11) days since the last more info tomorrow
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Fri, 11 June 2021, 13:59:42
Yeah…. What ever happened to the “weekly” updates?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: anatworkaccount on Fri, 11 June 2021, 15:57:30
Yeah…. What ever happened to the “weekly” updates?

Not the same situation but it sure reminds me of one. https://woodkeys.click/blog/ Promised weekly updates become not weekly updates become complete silence.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Woovie on Fri, 11 June 2021, 16:12:54
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/439146863523004418.png)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alspdx on Fri, 11 June 2021, 18:52:40
Holy crap, that Woodkeys guy totally went dark on all platforms — facebook, instagram, twitter, his own blog.

Hope Jaxx didn't go out for a pack of cigarettes.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Smoochie on Fri, 11 June 2021, 19:39:54
nice board, is this a rip?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: zian_ on Fri, 11 June 2021, 22:49:25
This one seems to be going well.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ghghop on Sat, 12 June 2021, 19:35:01
Holy crap, that guy totally went dark on all platforms — facebook, instagram, twitter, his own blog.

Hope Jaxx didn't go out for a pack of cigarettes.
Not condoning the ghosting-esque behavior, but when people say **** like this
If a class action is open, how many of you will join?
I can't particularly blame him completely from going dark.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Visionaire on Sat, 12 June 2021, 20:30:15
I mean, he's pretty much damned if he does and damned if he doesn't right now. Say something, it'll be picked apart. Don't say something, he's not living up to promises. But one sure way to silence someone is to threaten legal action. Next statements will then be only handled via 'my official legal representation'. ****ty situation for everyone right now. I really do hope it turns out well in the end...
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sat, 12 June 2021, 21:05:50

Hello it is treeleaf
Let me weigh in with my useless opinion

1. While I did not join the Rukia group buy, I think it's fair enough to say Everyone does not like having group buys delayed.
2. The second worst thing to when possessing another's money (first is outright scamming) is lack of communication, especially if you haven't delivered on your promises to give them a product within a certain time frame.


I have had a bad case of depression in the last few months. I didn't want to get out of bed. I hated my life. I just wanted everything to be over.

... and I behaved similarly to the way Mr Jaxx is behaving now. When I started failing my classes, rather than solving my problems by working harder in school, my depression made it impossible to catch up. It's not that I didn't want to work, it's that I couldn't work.

--

Dearest Mr Jaxx: I hope you're feeling ok. Reach out to me. I'm here for you.

To everyone else: The keyboard didn't work out. Getting angry at him will not magically solve your problem. The best you can do is cooperate, wait, and hope for the best.
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Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sat, 12 June 2021, 21:09:34
I hope to bring peace and forgiveness to this thread.  have a good day/night everyone
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solianne on Sat, 12 June 2021, 23:42:47
hi mr treeleaf good msg. very nice for u2 think of jaxx like this.  jaxx say he will have nsa 2 help take photo soon. he tell this to se chat again. yes he still only talk 2 se gb members and not normals. how do ppl explain how this ok? nsa have 2 say ok 2 photo but se gb have nsa approval 2 know only.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: wencan008 on Sun, 13 June 2021, 02:00:57
jaxxstatic — Today at 2:51 AM
Non-update:
PCBs incoming.
~1/4 of the way through re-finishing (sandblasting) bottoms. Material has been removed.
Will give an ETA when it can be anywhere close to accurate.

Just so everyone not on discord can see this. Just happened 9 minutes ago
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: RedBananaBread on Sun, 13 June 2021, 04:02:35
jaxxstatic — Today at 2:51 AM
Non-update:
PCBs incoming.
~1/4 of the way through re-finishing (sandblasting) bottoms. Material has been removed.
Will give an ETA when it can be anywhere close to accurate.

Just so everyone not on discord can see this. Just happened 9 minutes ago

This is what I don't get. So, none of the boards are actually ready?

A lot of the updates have been very conflicting. You're telling me that after a year, the PCBs weren't ordered, the boards were all brutally destroyed by a box cutter and even though we had a tentative shipping date of May 24th, the boards are still being sandblasted? None of these make sense.

I get that it's hard and I honestly don't mind waiting. But I'd really love some transparency and honesty.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: sirieous on Sun, 13 June 2021, 07:11:09

Hello it is treeleaf
Let me weigh in with my useless opinion

1. While I did not join the Rukia group buy, I think it's fair enough to say Everyone does not like having group buys delayed.
2. The second worst thing to when possessing another's money (first is outright scamming) is lack of communication, especially if you haven't delivered on your promises to give them a product within a certain time frame.


I have had a bad case of depression in the last few months. I didn't want to get out of bed. I hated my life. I just wanted everything to be over.

... and I behaved similarly to the way Mr Jaxx is behaving now. When I started failing my classes, rather than solving my problems by working harder in school, my depression made it impossible to catch up. It's not that I didn't want to work, it's that I couldn't work.

--

Dearest Mr Jaxx: I hope you're feeling ok. Reach out to me. I'm here for you.

To everyone else: The keyboard didn't work out. Getting angry at him will not magically solve your problem. The best you can do is cooperate, wait, and hope for the best.
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Thank you mr treeleaf, I hope that you are doing much better these days. I also hope that Jaxx is doing well too.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: sctang on Sun, 13 June 2021, 10:00:08
Group buys should have a sith rule of 2. That way someone can be dedicated to updates and handle the client side with full transparency from the runner. It’s a lot for one person to handle this… a lot of stress. When I become stressed/anxious/depressed I become avoidant because I don’t want to disappoint people. An apprentice could help! Just don’t let them kill you in your sleep  :-X
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Visionaire on Sun, 13 June 2021, 13:14:16
I think this is what Jody attempted to be. :)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Sun, 13 June 2021, 19:31:11
jaxxstatic — Today at 2:51 AM
Non-update:
PCBs incoming.
~1/4 of the way through re-finishing (sandblasting) bottoms. Material has been removed.
Will give an ETA when it can be anywhere close to accurate.

Just so everyone not on discord can see this. Just happened 9 minutes ago

This is what I don't get. So, none of the boards are actually ready?

A lot of the updates have been very conflicting. You're telling me that after a year, the PCBs weren't ordered, the boards were all brutally destroyed by a box cutter and even though we had a tentative shipping date of May 24th, the boards are still being sandblasted? None of these make sense.

I get that it's hard and I honestly don't mind waiting. But I'd really love some transparency and honesty.

He had to take out material from the bottoms, so he has to sandblast them to reacquire the appropriate finish. I'd imagine he can be done with the boards by the end of the month. I do not have any idea on the ETA of the PCBs though.He really needs to try his best to get these shipping by early July.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sun, 13 June 2021, 21:11:24
Group buys should have a sith rule of 2. That way someone can be dedicated to updates and handle the client side with full transparency from the runner. It’s a lot for one person to handle this… a lot of stress. When I become stressed/anxious/depressed I become avoidant because I don’t want to disappoint people. An apprentice could help! Just don’t let them kill you in your sleep  :-X
Agree, partner in crime is always good ~ even if it's just moral support!

and thanks for the love everyone, your kindness is much appreciated. take it easy <3
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Mon, 14 June 2021, 08:58:56
Hum thanks for the update SE GB people
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: PandaMech on Wed, 16 June 2021, 00:53:10
jaxxstatic — Today at 2:51 AM
Non-update:
PCBs incoming.
~1/4 of the way through re-finishing (sandblasting) bottoms. Material has been removed.
Will give an ETA when it can be anywhere close to accurate.

Just so everyone not on discord can see this. Just happened 9 minutes ago

I don’t quite understand jaxx’s latest update. Material has to be removed from bottom portion of the case? I though Gondo in June 1st states there was no PCB fitment issues. Am I not understanding correctly? Seems like contradictory information.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Wed, 16 June 2021, 07:07:21
jaxxstatic — Today at 2:51 AM
Non-update:
PCBs incoming.
~1/4 of the way through re-finishing (sandblasting) bottoms. Material has been removed.
Will give an ETA when it can be anywhere close to accurate.

Just so everyone not on discord can see this. Just happened 9 minutes ago

Nah, he said the fitment issue wasn’t the PCB, the case was wrong

I don’t quite understand jaxx’s latest update. Material has to be removed from bottom portion of the case? I though Gondo in June 1st states there was no PCB fitment issues. Am I not understanding correctly? Seems like contradictory information.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: hpetrovski on Wed, 16 June 2021, 08:12:29

Hello it is treeleaf
Let me weigh in with my useless opinion

1. While I did not join the Rukia group buy, I think it's fair enough to say Everyone does not like having group buys delayed.
2. The second worst thing to when possessing another's money (first is outright scamming) is lack of communication, especially if you haven't delivered on your promises to give them a product within a certain time frame.


I have had a bad case of depression in the last few months. I didn't want to get out of bed. I hated my life. I just wanted everything to be over.

... and I behaved similarly to the way Mr Jaxx is behaving now. When I started failing my classes, rather than solving my problems by working harder in school, my depression made it impossible to catch up. It's not that I didn't want to work, it's that I couldn't work.

--

Dearest Mr Jaxx: I hope you're feeling ok. Reach out to me. I'm here for you.

To everyone else: The keyboard didn't work out. Getting angry at him will not magically solve your problem. The best you can do is cooperate, wait, and hope for the best.
[/color]

(treeleaf moment)
On a serious note, I can relate to this heavily, hope everyone is well and gets their boards soon enough.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: MajorKoos on Wed, 16 June 2021, 12:05:39
jaxxstatic — Today at 2:51 AM
Non-update:
PCBs incoming.
~1/4 of the way through re-finishing (sandblasting) bottoms. Material has been removed.
Will give an ETA when it can be anywhere close to accurate.

Just so everyone not on discord can see this. Just happened 9 minutes ago

Nah, he said the fitment issue wasn’t the PCB, the case was wrong

I don’t quite understand jaxx’s latest update. Material has to be removed from bottom portion of the case? I though Gondo in June 1st states there was no PCB fitment issues. Am I not understanding correctly? Seems like contradictory information.

The PCB and case were designed with a specific set of components in mind - the USB port, capacitors, resistors, sockets, LEDs, etc.
PCBs take a lot less time to do than the cases so they're normally done later in the process to avoid tons of stock sitting around for months.
Obviously prototypes are made first to test fitment, but thanks to the global component shortage some of those components were no longer available when it came time to manufacture the PCBs, and the available replacements were a slightly different size so the cases had to be reworked to accommodate.

The other option would have been to leave the cases untouched and wait till the component shortage was resolved, but that could take another year.
Reworking the cases for the different components is the most expensive option, but it gets everyone their boards sooner.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Wed, 16 June 2021, 12:49:23
if only the PCBs were ordered a year ago!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Wed, 16 June 2021, 12:51:27
if only the PCBs were ordered a year ago!

But why would you do that before making sure you can cnc your own cases 🤡 /s
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: SDKCAMPING on Thu, 17 June 2021, 00:39:27
jaxxstatic — Today at 2:51 AM
Non-update:
PCBs incoming.
~1/4 of the way through re-finishing (sandblasting) bottoms. Material has been removed.
Will give an ETA when it can be anywhere close to accurate.

Just so everyone not on discord can see this. Just happened 9 minutes ago

Nah, he said the fitment issue wasn’t the PCB, the case was wrong

I don’t quite understand jaxx’s latest update. Material has to be removed from bottom portion of the case? I though Gondo in June 1st states there was no PCB fitment issues. Am I not understanding correctly? Seems like contradictory information.

The PCB and case were designed with a specific set of components in mind - the USB port, capacitors, resistors, sockets, LEDs, etc.
PCBs take a lot less time to do than the cases so they're normally done later in the process to avoid tons of stock sitting around for months.
Obviously prototypes are made first to test fitment, but thanks to the global component shortage some of those components were no longer available when it came time to manufacture the PCBs, and the available replacements were a slightly different size so the cases had to be reworked to accommodate.

The other option would have been to leave the cases untouched and wait till the component shortage was resolved, but that could take another year.
Reworking the cases for the different components is the most expensive option, but it gets everyone their boards sooner.

in that case, it doesn't make sense. he also said that the cases didn't fit existing Alice PCBs on the market. Which doesn't add up with him blaming the component shortage leading to different sized components. it's just to buy time to get the cases made probably.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jtangjt on Fri, 18 June 2021, 01:35:10
jaxxstatic — Today at 2:51 AM
Non-update:
PCBs incoming.
~1/4 of the way through re-finishing (sandblasting) bottoms. Material has been removed.
Will give an ETA when it can be anywhere close to accurate.

Just so everyone not on discord can see this. Just happened 9 minutes ago

Nah, he said the fitment issue wasn’t the PCB, the case was wrong

I don’t quite understand jaxx’s latest update. Material has to be removed from bottom portion of the case? I though Gondo in June 1st states there was no PCB fitment issues. Am I not understanding correctly? Seems like contradictory information.

The PCB and case were designed with a specific set of components in mind - the USB port, capacitors, resistors, sockets, LEDs, etc.
PCBs take a lot less time to do than the cases so they're normally done later in the process to avoid tons of stock sitting around for months.
Obviously prototypes are made first to test fitment, but thanks to the global component shortage some of those components were no longer available when it came time to manufacture the PCBs, and the available replacements were a slightly different size so the cases had to be reworked to accommodate.

The other option would have been to leave the cases untouched and wait till the component shortage was resolved, but that could take another year.
Reworking the cases for the different components is the most expensive option, but it gets everyone their boards sooner.

in that case, it doesn't make sense. he also said that the cases didn't fit existing Alice PCBs on the market. Which doesn't add up with him blaming the component shortage leading to different sized components. it's just to buy time to get the cases made probably.

Yeah the facts don't add up to me and I'm really tired of feeling like I'm being lied to. I still remember reading updates and being excited for rukia to ship before Thanksgiving, and then Christmas 2020. But we find out this month that he never even ordered PCBs!

So that was a lie, right? Was every update we received last year just fake news? Did the boat rukias even exist?

I get that the pandemic caused delays. Delays are forgivable. But dishonesty towards customers is such a slap in the face.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Fri, 18 June 2021, 02:13:24
The clandestine and delinquent updates, odd refusals when pressed to show proof, 1+ year timeline, the "manufacturer's fault" and boat narrative, buying a CNC machine midway through to all of the sudden make some (all) of the keyboards in-house, not buying the PCBs until the last minute and realizing fitment issues, locking down the Discord server, constantly voicing about overwork (definitely not from getting the orders in for these keyboards)... what more proof is needed that ****ery is going on here.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: CaravanOfPikies on Fri, 18 June 2021, 09:47:52
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113408.0

Looks like we found the rest of the tops from the boats.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Fri, 18 June 2021, 09:55:54
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113408.0

Looks like we found the rest of the tops from the boats.

It hurts to see those shipping 3-4 weeks from order date and I can confidently say I won’t have a rukia in my hands in 3-4 weeks. I would have refunded when I could but I’ve already committed to the rukia between wrist rests and theming based on the Alu top
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jtangjt on Fri, 18 June 2021, 12:20:23
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113408.0

Looks like we found the rest of the tops from the boats.

this looks better in so many ways
- stainless steel is pretty nice,
- 3-4 week delivery,
- cheaper by 80 bucks,
- includes carrying case,
- actually exists.....
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: KneeDeep on Fri, 18 June 2021, 13:14:41
jaxxstatic — Today at 2:51 AM
Non-update:
PCBs incoming.
~1/4 of the way through re-finishing (sandblasting) bottoms. Material has been removed.
Will give an ETA when it can be anywhere close to accurate.

Just so everyone not on discord can see this. Just happened 9 minutes ago

Nah, he said the fitment issue wasn’t the PCB, the case was wrong

I don’t quite understand jaxx’s latest update. Material has to be removed from bottom portion of the case? I though Gondo in June 1st states there was no PCB fitment issues. Am I not understanding correctly? Seems like contradictory information.

The PCB and case were designed with a specific set of components in mind - the USB port, capacitors, resistors, sockets, LEDs, etc.
PCBs take a lot less time to do than the cases so they're normally done later in the process to avoid tons of stock sitting around for months.
Obviously prototypes are made first to test fitment, but thanks to the global component shortage some of those components were no longer available when it came time to manufacture the PCBs, and the available replacements were a slightly different size so the cases had to be reworked to accommodate.

The other option would have been to leave the cases untouched and wait till the component shortage was resolved, but that could take another year.
Reworking the cases for the different components is the most expensive option, but it gets everyone their boards sooner.

in that case, it doesn't make sense. he also said that the cases didn't fit existing Alice PCBs on the market. Which doesn't add up with him blaming the component shortage leading to different sized components. it's just to buy time to get the cases made probably.

Yeah the facts don't add up to me and I'm really tired of feeling like I'm being lied to. I still remember reading updates and being excited for rukia to ship before Thanksgiving, and then Christmas 2020. But we find out this month that he never even ordered PCBs!

So that was a lie, right? Was every update we received last year just fake news? Did the boat rukias even exist?

I get that the pandemic caused delays. Delays are forgivable. But dishonesty towards customers is such a slap in the face.

My favorite part was getting dragged on the Discord for asking questions about the fugazi answers we were getting on status updates. Doesn't seem like we will ever get the truth, but hopefully these boards deliver at some point.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Sat, 19 June 2021, 15:40:15
Hay but at less there was a update
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Mon, 21 June 2021, 10:22:02
Ok so, Gondo update again.  ;D

I have thoroughly checked with suppliers and fabs and as far as they can tell, all components but the MCUs are well available and easy to find.

The MCU itself is the problem. Due to the shortage, getting your hands on hundreds of those has gotten pretty difficult. My idea was to check with suppliers if any variant (*) was better available or cheaper, but it turns out all variants are highly priced, yet available, so I just decided to leave the PCB as it is.

This has been communicated to Jaxx.

If you guys just wanted the update, that is it. The PCB files are "good"-to-go (or at least as "good" as good gets) as they are in terms of availability and possible cheapest price attainable.

If you want more detailed information, read below.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(*) Nerd time

As of right now, the ARM MCUs QMK can confirmedly use are STM32:

- F072
- F103
- F303
- L072
- F411
- F401
- G431
- G474
- L433
- L443

Each of these having a plethora of sub-versions (pin number, packaging, thermal range, military use etc), some of them having up to eight sub-versions -- as you can imagine this makes choosing and sourcing them in multiple suppliers a logistic nightmare, specially so in this pandemic. I've spent the past three weeks talking to vendors and suppliers digging some version that would be available and cheap. Mind you, some of these models are a straigh out overkill for a keyboard PCB (floating point unit and high-resolution ADC in a keyboard kek) but hey, if they work, they work. As it turns out, pretty much all of them are triple- to quadruple- the normal price, so I decided to go with the cheapest one (F072) which the PCB already uses and, albeit the heightened price, can be obtained by the fabs in the hundreds. Some of them also require additional components to work (for instance USB pull-up or termination resistors, external EEPROM, crystal) which should not be expensive per se but will make the PCBs a couple dollars more expensive due to a more complicated design, additional parts, additional solder joints and so on.

The problem now resides in Jaxx's capability to, well, prototype and make the PCBs. The big problem is that GB prices considered normal pricing for the PCB, but that situation has changed due to the higher price for the PCB components and services -- effectively making Jaxx work with an income deficit there which is completely out of my power unfortunately. I have done everything in my power, as the PCB designer, to make this go forward.

I will take questions in my Discord PMs. Please be kind.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: PandaMech on Tue, 22 June 2021, 13:19:52
Ok so, Gondo update again.  ;D

I have thoroughly checked with suppliers and fabs and as far as they can tell, all components but the MCUs are well available and easy to find.

The MCU itself is the problem. Due to the shortage, getting your hands on hundreds of those has gotten pretty difficult. My idea was to check with suppliers if any variant (*) was better available or cheaper, but it turns out all variants are highly priced, yet available, so I just decided to leave the PCB as it is.

This has been communicated to Jaxx.

If you guys just wanted the update, that is it. The PCB files are "good"-to-go (or at least as "good" as good gets) as they are in terms of availability and possible cheapest price attainable.

If you want more detailed information, read below.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(*) Nerd time

As of right now, the ARM MCUs QMK can confirmedly use are STM32:

- F072
- F103
- F303
- L072
- F411
- F401
- G431
- G474
- L433
- L443

Each of these having a plethora of sub-versions (pin number, packaging, thermal range, military use etc), some of them having up to eight sub-versions -- as you can imagine this makes choosing and sourcing them in multiple suppliers a logistic nightmare, specially so in this pandemic. I've spent the past three weeks talking to vendors and suppliers digging some version that would be available and cheap. Mind you, some of these models are a straigh out overkill for a keyboard PCB (floating point unit and high-resolution ADC in a keyboard kek) but hey, if they work, they work. As it turns out, pretty much all of them are triple- to quadruple- the normal price, so I decided to go with the cheapest one (F072) which the PCB already uses and, albeit the heightened price, can be obtained by the fabs in the hundreds. Some of them also require additional components to work (for instance USB pull-up or termination resistors, external EEPROM, crystal) which should not be expensive per se but will make the PCBs a couple dollars more expensive due to a more complicated design, additional parts, additional solder joints and so on.

The problem now resides in Jaxx's capability to, well, prototype and make the PCBs. The big problem is that GB prices considered normal pricing for the PCB, but that situation has changed due to the higher price for the PCB components and services -- effectively making Jaxx work with an income deficit there which is completely out of my power unfortunately. I have done everything in my power, as the PCB designer, to make this go forward.

I will take questions in my Discord PMs. Please be kind.

Thank you for detailed update and efforts.

Are you saying Jaxx’s hasn’t picked or settled on a MCU? Is the MCU sélection the one causing him to have clearance issues?

Then again he has already stated that he has started to rework the bottom case by removing material. I would think this action started because he already decided which MCU to use as shaving off material without locking down a MCU seems risky.

As you mentioned all other components are readily available.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Tue, 22 June 2021, 16:13:18
Ok so, Gondo update again.  ;D

I have thoroughly checked with suppliers and fabs and as far as they can tell, all components but the MCUs are well available and easy to find.

The MCU itself is the problem. Due to the shortage, getting your hands on hundreds of those has gotten pretty difficult. My idea was to check with suppliers if any variant (*) was better available or cheaper, but it turns out all variants are highly priced, yet available, so I just decided to leave the PCB as it is.

This has been communicated to Jaxx.

If you guys just wanted the update, that is it. The PCB files are "good"-to-go (or at least as "good" as good gets) as they are in terms of availability and possible cheapest price attainable.

If you want more detailed information, read below.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(*) Nerd time

As of right now, the ARM MCUs QMK can confirmedly use are STM32:

- F072
- F103
- F303
- L072
- F411
- F401
- G431
- G474
- L433
- L443

Each of these having a plethora of sub-versions (pin number, packaging, thermal range, military use etc), some of them having up to eight sub-versions -- as you can imagine this makes choosing and sourcing them in multiple suppliers a logistic nightmare, specially so in this pandemic. I've spent the past three weeks talking to vendors and suppliers digging some version that would be available and cheap. Mind you, some of these models are a straigh out overkill for a keyboard PCB (floating point unit and high-resolution ADC in a keyboard kek) but hey, if they work, they work. As it turns out, pretty much all of them are triple- to quadruple- the normal price, so I decided to go with the cheapest one (F072) which the PCB already uses and, albeit the heightened price, can be obtained by the fabs in the hundreds. Some of them also require additional components to work (for instance USB pull-up or termination resistors, external EEPROM, crystal) which should not be expensive per se but will make the PCBs a couple dollars more expensive due to a more complicated design, additional parts, additional solder joints and so on.

The problem now resides in Jaxx's capability to, well, prototype and make the PCBs. The big problem is that GB prices considered normal pricing for the PCB, but that situation has changed due to the higher price for the PCB components and services -- effectively making Jaxx work with an income deficit there which is completely out of my power unfortunately. I have done everything in my power, as the PCB designer, to make this go forward.

I will take questions in my Discord PMs. Please be kind.

Thank you for detailed update and efforts.

Are you saying Jaxx’s hasn’t picked or settled on a MCU? Is the MCU sélection the one causing him to have clearance issues?

Then again he has already stated that he has started to rework the bottom case by removing material. I would think this action started because he already decided which MCU to use as shaving off material without locking down a MCU seems risky.

As you mentioned all other components are readily available.

Jaxx is not the one choosing components. I am; and as far as I have concluded, by talking to suppliers and fabs, the best option we have right now is use the components that the PCB currently already uses, according to criteria like price and availability. The MCU issue is not mechanical, it's about price and availability, so no, it's not the MCU causing clearance issues.

As others have stated in this thread, and this was confirmed by Jaxx himself, the clearance issue is not with my PCB, but with third-party Alice PCBs (like projectkeyboard's or mechlovin's); in other words, the case was not designed to support those. This lack of support presents itself as a clearance issue with thei PCB components. According to Jaxx, in the mechlovin's, that's a capacitor and, on PK's, the connector. How the man is addressing that is not something I can supervise or control because the PCB I was hired to design fits the original case design (in the 3D models at least). I can't comply to, or offer support for, products I have not designed.

The next step in the PCB design process os confirmation of working and fitment, which is only achievable through completely built prototypes (completely built as in with all components, switches and stabilizers) tested against the case and plate. Last we heard he is remanufacturing the case bottom.



Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Tue, 22 June 2021, 18:11:43
Thanks Gondo for the transparency on your end. So at this point, is Jaxx modifying the cases to fit 3rd party PCBs? Would these modifications risk the compatibility with the PCB you designed with the original Rukia case files?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Tue, 22 June 2021, 18:30:21
Ok so, Gondo update again.  ;D

I have thoroughly checked with suppliers and fabs and as far as they can tell, all components but the MCUs are well available and easy to find.

The MCU itself is the problem. Due to the shortage, getting your hands on hundreds of those has gotten pretty difficult. My idea was to check with suppliers if any variant (*) was better available or cheaper, but it turns out all variants are highly priced, yet available, so I just decided to leave the PCB as it is.

This has been communicated to Jaxx.

If you guys just wanted the update, that is it. The PCB files are "good"-to-go (or at least as "good" as good gets) as they are in terms of availability and possible cheapest price attainable.

If you want more detailed information, read below.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(*) Nerd time

As of right now, the ARM MCUs QMK can confirmedly use are STM32:

- F072
- F103
- F303
- L072
- F411
- F401
- G431
- G474
- L433
- L443

Each of these having a plethora of sub-versions (pin number, packaging, thermal range, military use etc), some of them having up to eight sub-versions -- as you can imagine this makes choosing and sourcing them in multiple suppliers a logistic nightmare, specially so in this pandemic. I've spent the past three weeks talking to vendors and suppliers digging some version that would be available and cheap. Mind you, some of these models are a straigh out overkill for a keyboard PCB (floating point unit and high-resolution ADC in a keyboard kek) but hey, if they work, they work. As it turns out, pretty much all of them are triple- to quadruple- the normal price, so I decided to go with the cheapest one (F072) which the PCB already uses and, albeit the heightened price, can be obtained by the fabs in the hundreds. Some of them also require additional components to work (for instance USB pull-up or termination resistors, external EEPROM, crystal) which should not be expensive per se but will make the PCBs a couple dollars more expensive due to a more complicated design, additional parts, additional solder joints and so on.

The problem now resides in Jaxx's capability to, well, prototype and make the PCBs. The big problem is that GB prices considered normal pricing for the PCB, but that situation has changed due to the higher price for the PCB components and services -- effectively making Jaxx work with an income deficit there which is completely out of my power unfortunately. I have done everything in my power, as the PCB designer, to make this go forward.

I will take questions in my Discord PMs. Please be kind.

Thank you for detailed update and efforts.

Are you saying Jaxx’s hasn’t picked or settled on a MCU? Is the MCU sélection the one causing him to have clearance issues?

Then again he has already stated that he has started to rework the bottom case by removing material. I would think this action started because he already decided which MCU to use as shaving off material without locking down a MCU seems risky.

As you mentioned all other components are readily available.

Jaxx is not the one choosing components. I am; and as far as I have concluded, by talking to suppliers and fabs, the best option we have right now is use the components that the PCB currently already uses, according to criteria like price and availability. The MCU issue is not mechanical, it's about price and availability, so no, it's not the MCU causing clearance issues.

As others have stated in this thread, and this was confirmed by Jaxx himself, the clearance issue is not with my PCB, but with third-party Alice PCBs (like projectkeyboard's or mechlovin's); in other words, the case was not designed to support those. This lack of support presents itself as a clearance issue with thei PCB components. According to Jaxx, in the mechlovin's, that's a capacitor and, on PK's, the connector. How the man is addressing that is not something I can supervise or control because the PCB I was hired to design fits the original case design (in the 3D models at least). I can't comply to, or offer support for, products I have not designed.

The next step in the PCB design process os confirmation of working and fitment, which is only achievable through completely built prototypes (completely built as in with all components, switches and stabilizers) tested against the case and plate. Last we heard he is remanufacturing the case bottom.

The only thing I’m confused on now is that Jax’s last update said PCB’s incoming but this seems like they’re not yet confirmed
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Tue, 22 June 2021, 18:50:16
Still quite confusing as to what PCB we are going to get? reworking the cases to get another PCB that we did not original agree to purchase. We purchased knowing that the PCB will be the Gondo PCB with its design and features. Dunno... it is what it is I guess..
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Tue, 22 June 2021, 19:03:34
Still quite confusing as to what PCB we are going to get? reworking the cases to get another PCB that we did not original agree to purchase. We purchased knowing that the PCB will be the Gondo PCB with its design and features. Dunno... it is what it is I guess..

The only thing I’m confused on now is that Jax’s last update said PCB’s incoming but this seems like they’re not yet confirmed

To be 100% transparent, the rates with which I get updates is the same as you guys and for some things I am just as in the dark. I have no idea what the incoming PCBs are but I can confirm no prototypes of my PCB were made yet, to my knowledge. Maybe that's what the incoming PCBs are?

Also as far as I am aware the PCBs shipping with cases are the ones I designed. It would be kind of a **** move if they were not because I have waived the upfront PCB design costs for Jaxx with the promise he'd pay all commission plus design fee after the GB
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Tue, 22 June 2021, 19:31:42
Still quite confusing as to what PCB we are going to get? reworking the cases to get another PCB that we did not original agree to purchase. We purchased knowing that the PCB will be the Gondo PCB with its design and features. Dunno... it is what it is I guess..

The only thing I’m confused on now is that Jax’s last update said PCB’s incoming but this seems like they’re not yet confirmed

To be 100% transparent, the rates with which I get updates is the same as you guys and for some things I am just as in the dark. I have no idea what the incoming PCBs are but I can confirm no prototypes of my PCB were made yet, to my knowledge. Maybe that's what the incoming PCBs are?

Also as far as I am aware the PCBs shipping with cases are the ones I designed. It would be kind of a **** move if they were not because I have waived the upfront PCB design costs for Jaxx with the promise he'd pay all commission plus design fee after the GB

Thank you Gondo for bring some light to the matter and reduce some anxiety that some of might be experiencing. Appreciate it. I hope that you get paid and everything works out for all parties.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Wed, 23 June 2021, 01:02:36
In Gondo we trust
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Wed, 23 June 2021, 11:53:55
If we had the same consistent transparency from Jaxx that Gondo has been giving us, that would be great. It’s been over a week since the “nonupdate” and much longer since the last update.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Wed, 23 June 2021, 12:46:51
Thank you Gondo for bring some light to the matter and reduce some anxiety that some of might be experiencing. Appreciate it. I hope that you get paid and everything works out for all parties.

while yes thank you to gondo, this only increases anxiety. basically gondo is revealing jaxx's continuous lying. according to him 11 days ago 'PCBs are on the way'
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Wed, 23 June 2021, 12:53:06
Thank you Gondo for bring some light to the matter and reduce some anxiety that some of might be experiencing. Appreciate it. I hope that you get paid and everything works out for all parties.

while yes thank you to gondo, this only increases anxiety. basically gondo is revealing jaxx's continuous lying. according to him 11 days ago 'PCBs are on the way'

Hold on, hold on: I'm not revealing anything, I'm just saying that the "incoming PCBs" probably are the prototypes as I have as much idea what they are as you guys do.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Wed, 23 June 2021, 13:03:50
While the information from Gondo is not revealing, it is definitely concerning that “prototype” PCBs are supposedly arriving at this stage of the GB.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Thu, 24 June 2021, 12:59:07
When do you think we’ll get another update. I have money on July 20th.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: longtran on Fri, 25 June 2021, 07:58:29
I remember Jaxx said he had some PCBs (only some) ordered from Mechlovin' for testing, those might be the "incoming PCBs".
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Fri, 25 June 2021, 08:09:16
Based on his last 2 updates, he could be close to 1/2 way through refinishing the bottoms.
Things we still haven’t seen: plates & alu tops
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Fri, 25 June 2021, 14:23:59
Are there any other good Alice keyboard GBs out there? Might be easier at this point to eject out of this one and just start all over again with another GB.

Wish I could try the Type-K keyboard
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: pears on Fri, 25 June 2021, 15:48:20
Are there any other good Alice keyboard GBs out there? Might be easier at this point to eject out of this one and just start all over again with another GB.

Wish I could try the Type-K keyboard

You sadly just missed out on an in-stock buy for a Samice which appeared to be almost identical except for not having the 3 LED holes and also having a full SS bottom with PC top. See below:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113408.0

Looks like we found the rest of the tops from the boats.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Fri, 25 June 2021, 15:58:55
Haven’t gotten a decent update in a very long time but at least he stopped giving bull**** shipping ETA’s :/
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solianne on Sat, 26 June 2021, 12:43:32
hello every1 se chat update 4 u is supply chain issue for jaxx. he saying supply chain tell him new things each day n on june 25 he will give update. oh today is 26. he also not say which supply chain sry
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: PleasantChaos on Sun, 27 June 2021, 01:43:44
hello every1 se chat update 4 u is supply chain issue for jaxx. he saying supply chain tell him new things each day n on june 25 he will give update. oh today is 26. he also not say which supply chain sry

I had a stroke reading your comment
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Sun, 27 June 2021, 11:32:14
hello every1 se chat update 4 u is supply chain issue for jaxx. he saying supply chain tell him new things each day n on june 25 he will give update. oh today is 26. he also not say which supply chain sry

I had a stroke reading your comment

Hey guys, as much as I understand everyone's frustration, please keep it cordial and friendly. It does not do anyone any favours to direct hate/toxicity over other people, and it certainly won't help to get your keyboard faster.

In hindsight, the original comment was distasteful to read indeed. Come on mate, write proper language so we can understand you
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: PleasantChaos on Sun, 27 June 2021, 13:26:39
Hey guys, as much as I understand everyone's frustration, please keep it cordial and friendly. It does not do anyone any favours to direct hate/toxicity over other people, and it certainly won't help to get your keyboard faster.

I was honestly not trying to be toxic, just caught my eye that that person constantly writes comments that are very very difficult to read and can be misinterpreted based on lack of clear wording.
Was not my intention to be toxic :)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solianne on Mon, 28 June 2021, 19:30:28
hello every1 se chat update 4 u is supply chain issue for jaxx. he saying supply chain tell him new things each day n on june 25 he will give update. oh today is 26. he also not say which supply chain sry

I had a stroke reading your comment

hi sir i sry 4 that i will stop posting of se chat updates in here
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: olsen34 on Mon, 28 June 2021, 23:08:55
Don't mind me I'm just here eating popcorn and watching people in the hobby being masochists yet again  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: samuelcc on Tue, 29 June 2021, 06:13:06

Hello it is treeleaf
Let me weigh in with my useless opinion

1. While I did not join the Rukia group buy, I think it's fair enough to say Everyone does not like having group buys delayed.
2. The second worst thing to when possessing another's money (first is outright scamming) is lack of communication, especially if you haven't delivered on your promises to give them a product within a certain time frame.


I have had a bad case of depression in the last few months. I didn't want to get out of bed. I hated my life. I just wanted everything to be over.

... and I behaved similarly to the way Mr Jaxx is behaving now. When I started failing my classes, rather than solving my problems by working harder in school, my depression made it impossible to catch up. It's not that I didn't want to work, it's that I couldn't work.

--

Dearest Mr Jaxx: I hope you're feeling ok. Reach out to me. I'm here for you.

To everyone else: The keyboard didn't work out. Getting angry at him will not magically solve your problem. The best you can do is cooperate, wait, and hope for the best.
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I don't know who tf you are but as you didn't join the group buy it is not your place to be a "nice guy".

People's money got scammed by a liar. This liar used our money to buy a cnc machine which is against our agreement on the group buy and keeps failing to deliver the product and locked the discord server, refused to refund, sponsor streamers, buy new boards in the same time.

This kind of behaviour is not only immoral and shameful but also illegal if this is in strict business.

People who participated in the groupbuy gave him trust and money. But the trust gone in lies.

And you just came out of no where and say something that you think is "positive", when you are not in the group buy. It is pretty easy for you and makes you feel good. Actually, it is pure selfish.

A large part of this hobbies run on trust. A lot of gbs delays. GMK caps take a year and a half to deliver. People are ok and considerate for that as we want good product and we believe that there will be. For jaxx, we keep being lied to and he can't even prove the board exists. People like him will poison the hobby and community we love.

So please shut up, shut up, shut up. If you still want to defend this liar, it is your business and you can dm him directly. Maybe he will sell you a refunded spot! Or, show him love by financial support, it will be far more supportive than your words.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thicthock on Tue, 29 June 2021, 06:41:52


I don't know who tf you are but as you didn't join the group buy it is not your place to be a "nice guy".

People's money got scammed by a liar. This liar used our money to buy a cnc machine which is against our agreement on the group buy and keeps failing to deliver the product and locked the discord server, refused to refund, sponsor streamers, buy new boards in the same time.

This kind of behaviour is not only immoral and shameful but also illegal if this is in strict business.

People who participated in the groupbuy gave him trust and money. But the trust gone in lies.

And you just came out of no where and say something that you think is "positive", when you are not in the group buy. It is pretty easy for you and makes you feel good. Actually, it is pure selfish.

A large part of this hobbies run on trust. A lot of gbs delays. GMK caps take a year and a half to deliver. People are ok and considerate for that as we want good product and we believe that there will be. For jaxx, we keep being lied to and he can't even prove the board exists. People like him will poison the hobby and community we love.

So please shut up, shut up, shut up. If you still want to defend this liar, it is your business and you can dm him directly. Maybe he will sell you a refunded spot! Or, show him love by financial support, it will be far more supportive than your words.

Hey mate I get your anger! You feel duped and rightly so. But attacking other people here won´t help. It wont make Jaxx magically start being a better person.
It sucks seeing someone that was so respected in the Keyboard hobby do something like this. It made me re-evaluate if I was willing to get into Groupbuys for a board with a private person that already shows signs of not communicating enough.

Now none of this is helpful for you and nothing will make this easier. You lost a god damned amount of money.
Either you guys all wait to see if he ever ships or people start exploring options of how to get jaxx to pay back money. Cause right now fact is....he wont speak to you guys.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: finalarcadia on Tue, 29 June 2021, 08:21:26
You need to calm down buddy, that is not how you talk to people, much less someone that said himself he's been depressed.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Tue, 29 June 2021, 08:31:45
Everybody needs to calm down. It's one of two things at this point, Jaxx will eventually deliver or he will not. If you joined this GB with money you couldn't afford to lose you take it as a lesson. Even the most well respected community member can run a bunk GB. Whether it's unforseen issues or a straight scam. This won't be the first or last time something like happens unfortunately.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: singabore on Tue, 29 June 2021, 11:29:23
Damn this thread is poppin off
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Tue, 29 June 2021, 19:15:26
hello every1 se chat update 4 u is supply chain issue for jaxx. he saying supply chain tell him new things each day n on june 25 he will give update. oh today is 26. he also not say which supply chain sry

I had a stroke reading your comment

hi sir i sry 4 that i will stop posting of se chat updates in here

Hello, please continue to post any SE only information. It is greatly valued as we normal rukia buyers have no visibility. Thank you for your efforts in giving information. Thank you again.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kimchijody on Tue, 29 June 2021, 22:27:51

Hello it is treeleaf
Let me weigh in with my useless opinion

1. While I did not join the Rukia group buy, I think it's fair enough to say Everyone does not like having group buys delayed.
2. The second worst thing to when possessing another's money (first is outright scamming) is lack of communication, especially if you haven't delivered on your promises to give them a product within a certain time frame.


I have had a bad case of depression in the last few months. I didn't want to get out of bed. I hated my life. I just wanted everything to be over.

... and I behaved similarly to the way Mr Jaxx is behaving now. When I started failing my classes, rather than solving my problems by working harder in school, my depression made it impossible to catch up. It's not that I didn't want to work, it's that I couldn't work.

--

Dearest Mr Jaxx: I hope you're feeling ok. Reach out to me. I'm here for you.

To everyone else: The keyboard didn't work out. Getting angry at him will not magically solve your problem. The best you can do is cooperate, wait, and hope for the best.
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I don't know who tf you are but as you didn't join the group buy it is not your place to be a "nice guy".

People's money got scammed by a liar. This liar used our money to buy a cnc machine which is against our agreement on the group buy and keeps failing to deliver the product and locked the discord server, refused to refund, sponsor streamers, buy new boards in the same time.

This kind of behaviour is not only immoral and shameful but also illegal if this is in strict business.

People who participated in the groupbuy gave him trust and money. But the trust gone in lies.

And you just came out of no where and say something that you think is "positive", when you are not in the group buy. It is pretty easy for you and makes you feel good. Actually, it is pure selfish.

A large part of this hobbies run on trust. A lot of gbs delays. GMK caps take a year and a half to deliver. People are ok and considerate for that as we want good product and we believe that there will be. For jaxx, we keep being lied to and he can't even prove the board exists. People like him will poison the hobby and community we love.

So please shut up, shut up, shut up. If you still want to defend this liar, it is your business and you can dm him directly. Maybe he will sell you a refunded spot! Or, show him love by financial support, it will be far more supportive than your words.

I don't know who you are but I understand your frustration. Your complaints are valid and have already been expressed by numerous other people.

But that is not how you speak to any person, especially someone like treeleaf. Not only has he been going through a bout of depression, but he was simply trying to be positive in a--to put it bluntly--crappy gb. You clearly have no idea who he is or what he's been through, so I suggest you take your own advice.

3 posts in over a year and this is the first one on this thread, even since everything happened. AND it's to attack someone who's comment had no reason to attract any hostility.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: chat and team on Wed, 30 June 2021, 11:21:06


I don't know who tf you are but as you didn't join the group buy it is not your place to be a "nice guy".

People's money got scammed by a liar. This liar used our money to buy a cnc machine which is against our agreement on the group buy and keeps failing to deliver the product and locked the discord server, refused to refund, sponsor streamers, buy new boards in the same time.

This kind of behaviour is not only immoral and shameful but also illegal if this is in strict business.

People who participated in the groupbuy gave him trust and money. But the trust gone in lies.

And you just came out of no where and say something that you think is "positive", when you are not in the group buy. It is pretty easy for you and makes you feel good. Actually, it is pure selfish.

A large part of this hobbies run on trust. A lot of gbs delays. GMK caps take a year and a half to deliver. People are ok and considerate for that as we want good product and we believe that there will be. For jaxx, we keep being lied to and he can't even prove the board exists. People like him will poison the hobby and community we love.

So please shut up, shut up, shut up. If you still want to defend this liar, it is your business and you can dm him directly. Maybe he will sell you a refunded spot! Or, show him love by financial support, it will be far more supportive than your words.

Hey mate I get your anger! You feel duped and rightly so. But attacking other people here won´t help. It wont make Jaxx magically start being a better person.
It sucks seeing someone that was so respected in the Keyboard hobby do something like this. It made me re-evaluate if I was willing to get into Groupbuys for a board with a private person that already shows signs of not communicating enough.

Now none of this is helpful for you and nothing will make this easier. You lost a god damned amount of money.
Either you guys all wait to see if he ever ships or people start exploring options of how to get jaxx to pay back money. Cause right now fact is....he wont speak to you guys.





lol  :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Wed, 30 June 2021, 13:21:44
Jaxx depression aka Ill preparation for this GB is still no excuse for his general lack of honesty and total dismissal of non se GB'ers. These are character flaws at this point.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kronograf on Wed, 30 June 2021, 13:27:30
Jaxx depression aka Ill preparation for this GB is still no excuse for his general lack of honesty and total dismissal of non se GB'ers. These are character flaws at this point.

If it helps it's not like we're getting any prompt updates either. I'm in the SE buy and the last we heard of him was when he said he'd hopefully update us 'tomorrow or Friday' last Wednesday.

I don't know who you are but I understand your frustration. Your complaints are valid and have already been expressed by numerous other people.

But that is not how you speak to any person, especially someone like treeleaf. Not only has he been going through a bout of depression, but he was simply trying to be positive in a--to put it bluntly--crappy gb. You clearly have no idea who he is or what he's been through, so I suggest you take your own advice.

3 posts in over a year and this is the first one on this thread, even since everything happened. AND it's to attack someone who's comment had no reason to attract any hostility.

I think people have a fair right to be irritated by GB non-participants who want to jump in and pop out their two cents' worth to try and convince everyone to get along and stop being big evil meanies. There is zero value-add happening here.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: PleasantChaos on Thu, 01 July 2021, 03:34:23
I think people have a fair right to be irritated by GB non-participants who want to jump in and pop out their two cents' worth to try and convince everyone to get along and stop being big evil meanies. There is zero value-add happening here.

100% a right to be irritated, but no right whatsoever to insult people. Everyone is frustrated, but there is literally nothing to be gained by flaming and insulting people.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Thu, 01 July 2021, 16:32:31
How many post di you have to have the the right to be upset that you fell like you being scammed? I just want to know before i get yelled at if i get to that point.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 01 July 2021, 17:09:59
I think people have a fair right to be irritated by GB non-participants who want to jump in and pop out their two cents' worth to try and convince everyone to get along and stop being big evil meanies. There is zero value-add happening here.

100% a right to be irritated, but no right whatsoever to insult people. Everyone is frustrated, but there is literally nothing to be gained by flaming and insulting people.

I don't think it's reasonable to say you can't insult someone that mismanaged your money and trust. If Jaxx only gets insults resulting from this, then he got off easy in my view.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Thu, 01 July 2021, 17:30:09
after DMing Jaxx a couple times for some updates, I received this:

jaxxstatic — Today at 5:22 PM
Hi. I am waiting on Elecrow for the PCBs as of now, but the Rukia case adjustments were successful. Things should fit no problem now, even with softer builds.  I paid for rush order, but that didn't really speed things up at all. The explanation right now that they've given is that there are shortages.
I apologize for the lack of updates, especially recently. I'm trying to either get out of government contracts or come up with a partition that allows for better separation from keyboard-related things. In that regard, things have been flip-flopping, so it's hard to give an outlook on future things.
BUT for Rukia round 2, as soon as the PCBs get here, I hope to finish things out quickly. Thank you for being so patient.


Dot — Today at 5:25 PM
Any chance we can get some photos of the alu tops? I understand you have issues with scif for pictures of large quantity items, but I would love to see the alu top colors


jaxxstatic — Today at 5:27 PM
working  on that. I really want to share how they came out, especially after the nightmare of making it happen and how many iterations it took.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 01 July 2021, 18:52:48
I’ve said it once before and I’ll say it again. I would love my case without the PCB. I already have a plate and pcb waiting for the case…. If the wait is because they’re waiting for chips to be found at their originally quoted cost… then it’s going to be a while (if not never). I had to approve a $19 increase per PCB on a recent project just to get them moving along.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 01 July 2021, 19:03:32
If an opt out of PCB list ever gets made. Please put me on it. Would gladly forfeit the cost so it can go back to the GB. 
Title: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: synthtastic on Thu, 01 July 2021, 19:27:02
Just dropping by to cheer on Jaxx. Looking forward to getting this whenever it’s ready.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 01 July 2021, 20:02:14
Just dropping by to cheer on Jaxx. Looking forward to getting this whenever it’s ready.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Leo66 on Sun, 04 July 2021, 02:49:41
Good looking alice case I ever seen
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jtangjt on Sun, 04 July 2021, 13:50:11
after DMing Jaxx a couple times for some updates, I received this:

jaxxstatic — Today at 5:22 PM
Hi. I am waiting on Elecrow for the PCBs as of now, but the Rukia case adjustments were successful. Things should fit no problem now, even with softer builds.  I paid for rush order, but that didn't really speed things up at all. The explanation right now that they've given is that there are shortages.
I apologize for the lack of updates, especially recently. I'm trying to either get out of government contracts or come up with a partition that allows for better separation from keyboard-related things. In that regard, things have been flip-flopping, so it's hard to give an outlook on future things.
BUT for Rukia round 2, as soon as the PCBs get here, I hope to finish things out quickly. Thank you for being so patient.


Dot — Today at 5:25 PM
Any chance we can get some photos of the alu tops? I understand you have issues with scif for pictures of large quantity items, but I would love to see the alu top colors


jaxxstatic — Today at 5:27 PM
working  on that. I really want to share how they came out, especially after the nightmare of making it happen and how many iterations it took.


Is this seriously what we have to do to get updates? We have to DM the gb runner?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Sun, 04 July 2021, 17:37:00
Popcorn chomp chomp  :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: samuelcc on Tue, 06 July 2021, 04:04:52

Hello it is treeleaf
Let me weigh in with my useless opinion

1. While I did not join the Rukia group buy, I think it's fair enough to say Everyone does not like having group buys delayed.
2. The second worst thing to when possessing another's money (first is outright scamming) is lack of communication, especially if you haven't delivered on your promises to give them a product within a certain time frame.


I have had a bad case of depression in the last few months. I didn't want to get out of bed. I hated my life. I just wanted everything to be over.

... and I behaved similarly to the way Mr Jaxx is behaving now. When I started failing my classes, rather than solving my problems by working harder in school, my depression made it impossible to catch up. It's not that I didn't want to work, it's that I couldn't work.

--

Dearest Mr Jaxx: I hope you're feeling ok. Reach out to me. I'm here for you.

To everyone else: The keyboard didn't work out. Getting angry at him will not magically solve your problem. The best you can do is cooperate, wait, and hope for the best.
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I don't know who tf you are but as you didn't join the group buy it is not your place to be a "nice guy".

People's money got scammed by a liar. This liar used our money to buy a cnc machine which is against our agreement on the group buy and keeps failing to deliver the product and locked the discord server, refused to refund, sponsor streamers, buy new boards in the same time.

This kind of behaviour is not only immoral and shameful but also illegal if this is in strict business.

People who participated in the groupbuy gave him trust and money. But the trust gone in lies.

And you just came out of no where and say something that you think is "positive", when you are not in the group buy. It is pretty easy for you and makes you feel good. Actually, it is pure selfish.

A large part of this hobbies run on trust. A lot of gbs delays. GMK caps take a year and a half to deliver. People are ok and considerate for that as we want good product and we believe that there will be. For jaxx, we keep being lied to and he can't even prove the board exists. People like him will poison the hobby and community we love.

So please shut up, shut up, shut up. If you still want to defend this liar, it is your business and you can dm him directly. Maybe he will sell you a refunded spot! Or, show him love by financial support, it will be far more supportive than your words.

I don't know who you are but I understand your frustration. Your complaints are valid and have already been expressed by numerous other people.

But that is not how you speak to any person, especially someone like treeleaf. Not only has he been going through a bout of depression, but he was simply trying to be positive in a--to put it bluntly--crappy gb. You clearly have no idea who he is or what he's been through, so I suggest you take your own advice.

3 posts in over a year and this is the first one on this thread, even since everything happened. AND it's to attack someone who's comment had no reason to attract any hostility.

I am sorry that I am no celebrities in keyboard community that scams hundreds of people.
And I think reacting to people based on what they do more than who they are makes more sense.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Wed, 07 July 2021, 18:39:00
when do you think someone other then Jax's will give use a update
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Wed, 07 July 2021, 18:41:03
when do you think someone other then Jax's will give use a update

Working on it
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ObsidianRaid on Thu, 08 July 2021, 21:26:09
Here you all go. Looks like we are still waiting lol

ObsidianRaid — Today at 8:27 AM
Jaxx, what is going on with this buy? It seems all my original fears I was constantly ridiculed for back in January are coming true. Where are our promised updates and actual information? it’s really starting to seem like you’ve ran away with the money

jaxxstatic — Today at 5:22 PM
Hi. No, I haven't run away. I paid Elecrow extra to "rush order" the PCBs, but they're telling me that it only covered manufacturing (which takes one day), and that assembly will take 4-5 weeks. I'm trying to pay extra again to "rush order" the assembly, but waiting on hearing back from them on how much that will cost and how much quicker I'll be able to get the PCBs
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Fri, 09 July 2021, 00:20:19
The time management of this GB is utterly asinine. Had all of our money over a year ago, but didn't order the PCBs until now. Hacky things like taking material off the bottom now needs to be done as well. Guess too much time was spent playing around with that shiny new CNC machine instead.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: nulltorious on Fri, 09 July 2021, 03:48:54
I wish the GB runner provided more comprehensive pictures of the boards in-possession, because I don't believe they exist. I'm speculating here...but this is my feeling based on mis-deadlines, poor communication, and lack of photo evidence.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thicthock on Fri, 09 July 2021, 04:18:59
I wish the GB runner provided more comprehensive pictures of the boards in-possession, because I don't believe they exist. I'm speculating here...but this is my feeling based on mis-deadlines, poor communication, and lack of photo evidence.

TBH as a buyer I would have demanded invoices for PCB's right now
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Fri, 09 July 2021, 12:38:57
Ok, I didn't want to do this but I have no choice

I tried contacting Jaxx but he has not responded, so here it goes:

To my knowledge, PCB prototypes were not received. Jaxx does not respond to my Discord DMs so if anyone here has access to him please tell him not to make a large PCB order without proper prototyping first, that will seriously jeopardize the GB more than it already is.

This is a nuclear-level problem, if he orders PCBs with no protos it could lead to a massive disaster, as in, if the project has a flaw that should have been caught up during prototype testing, the entire batch of PCBs will need to be scrapped

I can't stress this enough, absolutely do not order large quantities of the PCBs without testing

I am not ok'ing this PCB batch without prototypes and I am not supplying firmware until I see PCBs tested before mass manufacture

I don't care how many angry DMs I get, I don't care for the money I am supposed to receive, all I care is for the quality of the stuff I put out
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kontradictions on Fri, 09 July 2021, 12:45:43
Ok, I didn't want to do this but I have no choice

I tried contacting Jaxx but he has not responded, so here it goes:

To my knowledge, PCB prototypes were not received. Jaxx does not respond to my Discord DMs so if anyone here has access to him please tell him not to make a large PCB order without proper prototyping first, that will seriously jeopardize the GB more than it already is.

This is a nuclear-level problem, if he orders PCBs with no protos it could lead to a massive disaster, as in, if the project has a flaw that should have been caught up during prototype testing, the entire batch of PCBs will need to be scrapped

I can't stress this enough, absolutely do not order large quantities of the PCBs without testing

I am not ok'ing this PCB batch without prototypes and I am not supplying firmware until I see PCBs tested before mass manufacture

I don't care how many angry DMs I get, I don't care for the money I am supposed to receive, all I care is for the quality of the stuff I put out

Agreed. His rep is in the ****ter. Doesn't change the fact that he IS a good person. Then again, given how much **** I've gotten for just being a public figure in this buy, I don't really blame him for wanting to keep his head down...But that doesn't excuse the lack of updates or just general involvment in translating the status of the buy.

LOL
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ZyBeR on Fri, 09 July 2021, 12:50:15
Ok, I didn't want to do this but I have no choice

I tried contacting Jaxx but he has not responded, so here it goes:

To my knowledge, PCB prototypes were not received. Jaxx does not respond to my Discord DMs so if anyone here has access to him please tell him not to make a large PCB order without proper prototyping first, that will seriously jeopardize the GB more than it already is.

This is a nuclear-level problem, if he orders PCBs with no protos it could lead to a massive disaster, as in, if the project has a flaw that should have been caught up during prototype testing, the entire batch of PCBs will need to be scrapped

I can't stress this enough, absolutely do not order large quantities of the PCBs without testing

I am not ok'ing this PCB batch without prototypes and I am not supplying firmware until I see PCBs tested before mass manufacture

I don't care how many angry DMs I get, I don't care for the money I am supposed to receive, all I care is for the quality of the stuff I put out

Jaxx for f-ck sake dude - stop ghosting and take responsibility now! You have lots of peoples money (including mine), **** happens but you deal with it, not by ghosting but by taking responsibility especially as you're doing this as a business.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ObsidianRaid on Fri, 09 July 2021, 12:51:31
Ok, I didn't want to do this but I have no choice

I tried contacting Jaxx but he has not responded, so here it goes:

To my knowledge, PCB prototypes were not received. Jaxx does not respond to my Discord DMs so if anyone here has access to him please tell him not to make a large PCB order without proper prototyping first, that will seriously jeopardize the GB more than it already is.

This is a nuclear-level problem, if he orders PCBs with no protos it could lead to a massive disaster, as in, if the project has a flaw that should have been caught up during prototype testing, the entire batch of PCBs will need to be scrapped

I can't stress this enough, absolutely do not order large quantities of the PCBs without testing

I am not ok'ing this PCB batch without prototypes and I am not supplying firmware until I see PCBs tested before mass manufacture

I don't care how many angry DMs I get, I don't care for the money I am supposed to receive, all I care is for the quality of the stuff I put out

Well ****...
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: of_sam on Fri, 09 July 2021, 12:52:25
Ok, I didn't want to do this but I have no choice

I tried contacting Jaxx but he has not responded, so here it goes:

To my knowledge, PCB prototypes were not received. Jaxx does not respond to my Discord DMs so if anyone here has access to him please tell him not to make a large PCB order without proper prototyping first, that will seriously jeopardize the GB more than it already is.

This is a nuclear-level problem, if he orders PCBs with no protos it could lead to a massive disaster, as in, if the project has a flaw that should have been caught up during prototype testing, the entire batch of PCBs will need to be scrapped

I can't stress this enough, absolutely do not order large quantities of the PCBs without testing

I am not ok'ing this PCB batch without prototypes and I am not supplying firmware until I see PCBs tested before mass manufacture

I don't care how many angry DMs I get, I don't care for the money I am supposed to receive, all I care is for the quality of the stuff I put out
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There has been an accident at the zoo.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: OhNo on Fri, 09 July 2021, 13:43:11
Ok, I didn't want to do this but I have no choice

I tried contacting Jaxx but he has not responded, so here it goes:

To my knowledge, PCB prototypes were not received. Jaxx does not respond to my Discord DMs so if anyone here has access to him please tell him not to make a large PCB order without proper prototyping first, that will seriously jeopardize the GB more than it already is.

This is a nuclear-level problem, if he orders PCBs with no protos it could lead to a massive disaster, as in, if the project has a flaw that should have been caught up during prototype testing, the entire batch of PCBs will need to be scrapped

I can't stress this enough, absolutely do not order large quantities of the PCBs without testing

I am not ok'ing this PCB batch without prototypes and I am not supplying firmware until I see PCBs tested before mass manufacture

I don't care how many angry DMs I get, I don't care for the money I am supposed to receive, all I care is for the quality of the stuff I put out

Oh no... oh no... Oh no no no no no
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Fri, 09 July 2021, 13:48:28
So did Jaxx just yolo those PCBs?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Fri, 09 July 2021, 13:57:15
So did Jaxx just yolo those PCBs?

I have no idea. I mean literally, I have zero information on what the PCB status is, I have zero information on what the PCB problem is, I don't know if prototypes have ever been ordered, I was completely left out of the negotiations with the fab regarding PCB manufacturing. The only thing I am aware of is that some components on the PCB were not in stock at the moment, hindering the PCB manufacturability. For the sake of decency, I am trying to help and even I get ghosted.

So yeah, this is my limit. I am officially washing my hands here. I hate to do this publically but no other choice was given to me. I am so sorry to let everyone down but I am under a lot of stress, specially because of this semiconductor shortage. Rukia is not the only project I am involved in and, albeit being very unprofessional myself some times, this is completely unacceptable.

I have zero communication, I've been ghosted and all I am doing is trying to offer help and resolution to this PCB issue. Even without any payment whatsoever I have designed a PCB, gotten threats and poop DMs, and even then I have gone out of my way staying up late night to talk to asian and european distributors to have all of this PCB conundrum solved, but as it turns out despite my best efforts I can't help someone that seemingly does not want help. I will only proceed with any support if I am personally contacted by Jaxx, with proper prototypes and some some guarantee that I will get paid for the 50+ hours I have put into this PCB.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dededecline on Fri, 09 July 2021, 14:01:18
So did Jaxx just yolo those PCBs?

I have no idea. I am officially washing my hands here. I hate to do this publically but no other choice was given to me.

I have zero communication, I've been ghosted for weeks and all I am doing is trying to offer help and resolution to this PCB issue. Even without any payment whatsoever I have designed a PCB, gotten threats and poop DMs, and even then I have gone out of my way staying up late night to talk to asian and european distributors to have all of this PCB conundrum solved, but as it turns out despite my best efforts I can't help someone that seemingly does not want help.

I will only proceed with any support if I am personally contacted by Jaxx, with proper prototypes and some some guarantee that I will get paid for the 50+ hours I have put into this PCB.

I am so sorry to let everyone down but I am under a lot of stress, specially because of this semiconductor shortage. Rukia is not the only project I am involved in and, albeit being very unprofessional myself some times, this is completely unacceptable.

As always, thank you so much for all your work. I'm sorry to see you in yet another position where people are being ****ty to you for absolutely no reason. Hopefully Jaxx gets into contact and you can get paid. Unfortunately it seems like "don't harass people" is too hard a concept for some people to ever comprehend.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Fri, 09 July 2021, 14:05:09
So did Jaxx just yolo those PCBs?

I have no idea. I am officially washing my hands here. I hate to do this publically but no other choice was given to me.

I have zero communication, I've been ghosted for weeks and all I am doing is trying to offer help and resolution to this PCB issue. Even without any payment whatsoever I have designed a PCB, gotten threats and poop DMs, and even then I have gone out of my way staying up late night to talk to asian and european distributors to have all of this PCB conundrum solved, but as it turns out despite my best efforts I can't help someone that seemingly does not want help.

I will only proceed with any support if I am personally contacted by Jaxx, with proper prototypes and some some guarantee that I will get paid for the 50+ hours I have put into this PCB.

I am so sorry to let everyone down but I am under a lot of stress, specially because of this semiconductor shortage. Rukia is not the only project I am involved in and, albeit being very unprofessional myself some times, this is completely unacceptable.

As always, thank you so much for all your work. I'm sorry to see you in yet another position where people are being ****ty to you for absolutely no reason. Hopefully Jaxx gets into contact and you can get paid. Unfortunately it seems like "don't harass people" is too hard a concept for some people to ever comprehend.

To be honest, I understand. I know how frustrating a badly managed GB is, and I have been in a few, believe me. But I have never seen this kind of thing.

Being a somewhat "public" figure (not that I am famous, but I am involved with a large portion of the community) I am exposed to this kind of messages and I have learned to deal with them. In fact most turn out to be just frustrated people and the chat ends quite amicably. I like talking to people. What grinds my gears is the sheer lack of personal pride.

I am very proud to say: my DMs are open in case anyone wants to talk. I love this community and I will always do my best to make it awesome.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: achan7942 on Fri, 09 July 2021, 14:18:00
Communication, Communication, Communication. It all stems from communication. Even a "No updates" would of been some form of communication that showed SOME progress in this gb and showed some life in the GB. Unfortunately, we are way past that.  I understand everyone has personal issues, including myself...but I would never bring that into my job/business, especially as an excuse. I really hope I get my board, I really do, as that's all I can really do.  :-\
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Fri, 09 July 2021, 14:32:07
Ok so, news: I've been contacted by Jaxx. The "rush order" are in fact the prototypes, we are back on track for delivery. We are working on getting them ASAP. I'll keep you guys informed if I have anything better to update. You will know the status of prototypes.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Fri, 09 July 2021, 14:36:32
Thank you Gondo for providing a level of transparency that Jaxx should have tried to achieve even 10% of. I do hope that no one is putting blame on you at this point. With the lack of communication around delays and issues that come up during this GB, it is hard to believe Jaxx. He said that R2 Rukias would be provided to streamers to ease our minds, that didn’t happen. He also has not given any updates on the alu tops. Come on Jaxx, I hope everything is ok with you personally but as a business, get your **** together.

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: bananathock on Fri, 09 July 2021, 23:43:59
thank you as always gondo.

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As always, thank you so much for all your work. I'm sorry to see you in yet another position where people are being ****ty to you for absolutely no reason. Hopefully Jaxx gets into contact and you can get paid. Unfortunately it seems like "don't harass people" is too hard a concept for some people to ever comprehend.

as for this, i think the line is always a blur for people who we see names on the gb.. there's a sense of responsibility for them.

looking back, now i think gondo's work is wasted on the project. this could have been done with other suppliers like mechlovin' who's done great job on the adelais (all versions of it). runner just wanted something "special" but now that work is just going down the drain because it could eventually end up as another excuse for the runner to "delay" the project. i do truly feel bad about everything.

this is the few times (if not only time) ive gone over geekhack to express my frustrations regarding a group buy. i trusted that the runner will deliver despite the toxicity encountered in the server. it was not until the april (albeit late april update), mentioned that there will be no refunds for the orders.. i was disappointed in that because for people who have not opted to refund, we're (those who didnt opt for refunds) now locked in indefinitely or maybe not even have our boards at all.

truly, there's just no words to express the lack of transparency on this group buy. i am disappointed. i think we all are. thanks gondo for coming through and giving us tiny bits of update on the pcb. it is a progress despite baby steps.

guys, i am in the group buy with you. i am still hoping the boards do get delivered but now, i'm just really apathetic of the project. this is my personal opinion and should not affect anyone else's.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 10 July 2021, 04:35:16
Well my faith in Jaxx may be forever shattered, but Gondo on the other hand has my respect forever for wading into this **** stew to help us GB participants out with whatever info he could. Huge thanks Gondo!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Sat, 10 July 2021, 09:08:51
Ship the boards now. There are other alice style PCBs that should fit in the board. I told Jaxx this but he tiptoed around that statement with the whole "rush order" PCB story. There is absolutely NO REASON to hold on to the boards if they are done. I told him that I'd be willing to pay for PCB shipping at a later date when they are complete. But if the PCBs are going to delay this another 3+ months, there is NO WAY he can afford to just sit on the boards. Ya'll need to hit him up and demand he ship out the Rukia now. He claims they are complete.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Aritega on Sat, 10 July 2021, 15:38:40
Ship the boards now. There are other alice style PCBs that should fit in the board. I told Jaxx this but he tiptoed around that statement with the whole "rush order" PCB story. There is absolutely NO REASON to hold on to the boards if they are done. I told him that I'd be willing to pay for PCB shipping at a later date when they are complete. But if the PCBs are going to delay this another 3+ months, there is NO WAY he can afford to just sit on the boards. Ya'll need to hit him up and demand he ship out the Rukia now. He claims they are complete.

I feel like it's better to request Jaxx to make a form if you want your board to be shipped without a PCB.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: juaninamilli on Sat, 10 July 2021, 16:07:13
Yes please. Would love the case PCB-less.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Sat, 10 July 2021, 17:56:57
i just want a sequel to the Phoenix Wright video that was awesome
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Sat, 10 July 2021, 19:56:24
Ship the boards now. There are other alice style PCBs that should fit in the board. I told Jaxx this but he tiptoed around that statement with the whole "rush order" PCB story. There is absolutely NO REASON to hold on to the boards if they are done. I told him that I'd be willing to pay for PCB shipping at a later date when they are complete. But if the PCBs are going to delay this another 3+ months, there is NO WAY he can afford to just sit on the boards. Ya'll need to hit him up and demand he ship out the Rukia now. He claims they are complete.

Because they're not done or probably have issues. The paper-thinned excuses throughout this GB (i.e., too busy with life to give a transparent update, but has time to tell you about how busy life is) felt so scammy. Then the midway change to buying a CNC machine and starting all over in-house was such a WTF

What's the deal with the Plates?
What's the deal with the Brass Weights?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: olsen34 on Sat, 10 July 2021, 23:58:55
Has even a single one of you seen the pic of the finished board? If yes, then keep pestering him to send them. If not, nothing is actually done. Stop believing in his words and file a police report or something. It's ****ing bizarre how there is not a single picture of the manufactured boards so far.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Sun, 11 July 2021, 07:35:03
Ok so, news: I've been contacted by Jaxx. The "rush order" are in fact the prototypes, we are back on track for delivery. We are working on getting them ASAP. I'll keep you guys informed if I have anything better to update. You will know the status of prototypes.

Gondo, Have you seen the R2 boards? Curious. I am requesting a timestamped picture of them from Jaxx as well as a form to request shipping now and PCB later. I don't expect either to happen.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Mon, 12 July 2021, 01:33:18
when did he say the boards was done?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Mon, 12 July 2021, 13:37:29
On the 1st he told me that modifications to the boards was successful (ie taking out inside material for the PCBs to fit). I took that as he is done. He is just harping on the PCB delay now. IMO, the PCBs should have been completed months ago. How the hell have you not had the PCBs start production last year when the GB kicked off? Even if they were started when he began making the boards on his own, they should be done. This whole GB stinks and wreaks of lies and excuses. I have requested timestamped pictures of the boards to be provided as proof they exist. I have also requested a form be provided to the GB participants with the choice to have the boards shipped now and PCBs later. My dad used to say, "wish in one hand and **** in the other, see which happens first."
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Sweep_the_Leg on Mon, 12 July 2021, 15:39:13
So I think what you're all saying, if I may sum up, is that I picked a somewhat unfortunate group buy for my very first keyboard GB.  :)) :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: crazyboy1023 on Mon, 12 July 2021, 15:43:32
So I think what you're all saying, if I may sum up, is that I picked a somewhat unfortunate group buy for my very first keyboard GB.  :)) :eek:

This was my first GB, too. I had so much hope because the first round of Rukia had some great reviews. Popular content creators like Taeha and Apiary praised the board. So unfortunate to see the GB go downhill. I recently got a response from Jaxx, which confused me. I thought the boards were supposed to be finished, but he said:

"I’m refinishing boards rn. It takes a while since I have to cover the portions that were already finished and do it incrementally to match the original texture."

He gave me this response about 2 hours ago...
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Mon, 12 July 2021, 16:09:32
So I think what you're all saying, if I may sum up, is that I picked a somewhat unfortunate group buy for my very first keyboard GB.  :)) :eek:

This was my first GB, too. I had so much hope because the first round of Rukia had some great reviews. Popular content creators like Taeha and Apiary praised the board. So unfortunate to see the GB go downhill. I recently got a response from Jaxx, which confused me. I thought the boards were supposed to be finished, but he said:

"I’m refinishing boards rn. It takes a while since I have to cover the portions that were already finished and do it incrementally to match the original texture."

He gave me this response about 2 hours ago...

Eh, a month ago he said he was 1/4 of the way through refinishing. Based on his updates, it took about 2 weeks to get 1/4 the way done. Which means he should be on his last 1/4?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Mon, 12 July 2021, 21:31:20
Ok so, news: I've been contacted by Jaxx. The "rush order" are in fact the prototypes, we are back on track for delivery. We are working on getting them ASAP. I'll keep you guys informed if I have anything better to update. You will know the status of prototypes.

Gondo, Have you seen the R2 boards? Curious. I am requesting a timestamped picture of them from Jaxx as well as a form to request shipping now and PCB later. I don't expect either to happen.

No I have not seen the boards, all I know is he's adjusting them
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: regionfree on Tue, 13 July 2021, 11:49:34
Well folks. Tallying this as an L.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Tue, 13 July 2021, 12:00:38
Did we ever get a board total for the GB? Just curious.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: rikercd on Tue, 13 July 2021, 13:33:27
On the 1st he told me that modifications to the boards was successful (ie taking out inside material for the PCBs to fit). I took that as he is done. He is just harping on the PCB delay now. IMO, the PCBs should have been completed months ago. How the hell have you not had the PCBs start production last year when the GB kicked off? Even if they were started when he began making the boards on his own, they should be done. This whole GB stinks and wreaks of lies and excuses. I have requested timestamped pictures of the boards to be provided as proof they exist. I have also requested a form be provided to the GB participants with the choice to have the boards shipped now and PCBs later. My dad used to say, "wish in one hand and **** in the other, see which happens first."

"This whole GB stinks and wreaks of lies and excuses"

I could have told you this as soon as a SCIF was brought up.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: BareSphereMass on Wed, 14 July 2021, 04:37:27
Hmm, well I no longer feel as bad about missing this GB. 
Once they start shipping will there be extras, for the slow people that missed the GB?
Will there be an option to just buy the case? (I already have a top mounted PCB for an Alice)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Wed, 14 July 2021, 06:40:31
Hmm, well I no longer feel as bad about missing this GB. 
Once they start shipping will there be extras, for the slow people that missed the GB?
Will there be an option to just buy the case? (I already have a top mounted PCB for an Alice)

We don’t even know if we’re getting these, let alone how the extras will be sold :/
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Necrolegion on Wed, 14 July 2021, 15:48:08
Hmm, well I no longer feel as bad about missing this GB. 
Once they start shipping will there be extras, for the slow people that missed the GB?
Will there be an option to just buy the case? (I already have a top mounted PCB for an Alice)

We don’t even know if we’re getting these, let alone how the extras will be sold :/

LMAO! Bro, the original GB joiners haven't even received their board yet, not even seen prototypes! You are hoping to join in on extras of a keyboard that may not even exist! LOL
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: BareSphereMass on Wed, 14 July 2021, 16:31:14

LMAO! Bro, the original GB joiners haven't even received their board yet, not even seen prototypes! You are hoping to join in on extras of a keyboard that may not even exist! LOL

 :'(
My crippling keeb addiction has me itching for an acrylic Alice. 

Someone above mentioned that the cases exist, and that they are delayed on the PCB.  Since I already have a PCB and FR4 plate, I am really just looking for a case at this point.

But ya, its probably not gonna happen.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Wed, 14 July 2021, 20:16:57
Good game folks
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dededecline on Wed, 14 July 2021, 23:42:18

LMAO! Bro, the original GB joiners haven't even received their board yet, not even seen prototypes! You are hoping to join in on extras of a keyboard that may not even exist! LOL

 :'(
My crippling keeb addiction has me itching for an acrylic Alice. 

Someone above mentioned that the cases exist, and that they are delayed on the PCB.  Since I already have a PCB and FR4 plate, I am really just looking for a case at this point.

But ya, its probably not gonna happen.

On top of everything else, these aren't acrylic...
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alpaone on Thu, 15 July 2021, 04:19:35
I'd also be fine with getting my board without a PCB. If they even exist..
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jayiskuhl on Thu, 15 July 2021, 04:53:59
I'd take it without the PCB too. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

Jaxx could at least have the decency to provide some sort of updates. I can't fathom how he thinks leaving everyone in the dark for this long is okay.

Thank you Gondo for the updates! It's nice to know that someone cares, as Jaxx clearly does not.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Thu, 15 July 2021, 04:59:01
And the yeti just went live again…
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jp5486 on Thu, 15 July 2021, 05:43:07
I would also take a board without a PCB.
Im tired of the excuses and lack of accountability
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: BareSphereMass on Thu, 15 July 2021, 12:18:43

On top of everything else, these aren't acrylic...
Oopse, I meant Polycarbonate.  I have a stacked acrylic board, and its fine, but not as nice as some of the poly boards I've seen.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: cutemelon on Thu, 15 July 2021, 16:44:34
This is brutal
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Thu, 15 July 2021, 20:01:55
So now all we want is board that PCbs won’t fit in. This is sad AF
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ghghop on Thu, 15 July 2021, 22:58:23
So now all we want is board that PCbs won’t fit in. This is sad AF
Supposedly the refinishing is all done, but who knows at this point
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Tsumi on Fri, 16 July 2021, 15:21:57
So now all we want is board that PCbs won’t fit in. This is sad AF
Supposedly the refinishing is all done, but who knows at this point
I can't really keep up, but wasn't the refinishing performed so that it'll fit the new PCB design that uses the chips that are more readily available? If so, wouldn't it render the board useless as it'd be incompatible with the existing Alice-style PCBs on the market?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Fri, 16 July 2021, 15:23:06
No apparently it was refinished to accommodate support for 3rd party pcbs.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ghghop on Fri, 16 July 2021, 16:24:13
No apparently it was refinished to accommodate support for 3rd party pcbs.
This was my understanding.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Fri, 16 July 2021, 16:54:16
At this point the next update we will get will say that the pcbs got shipped to space with Jeff Bezos
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jbrandona119 on Sat, 17 July 2021, 13:53:45
 6 pages since I’ve checked this and not a single picture of an aluminum top, finished rukias, PCBs…

Maybe I missed this but Jaxx did say in the discord on 5/31 that he had finished and shipped some “kits” out without PCBs. Has anyone posted any pictures in any of the various keyboard communities?

I would LOVE it if someone could show us their built r2 rukia. I’m a bit peeved that instead of showing the discord those finished kits or how they were packaged or a stack of them going out or anything at all to indicate that they actually exist and went out…they were just shipped.

I say I might’ve missed it because it was almost 2 months ago but hopefully that means they ended up in the hands of some awesome community members that are willing to show their finished builds! And maybe they even have one or more of those elusive aluminum tops.

Only ~4 months until our 1st estimated shipping date anniversary  🥰
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: olsen34 on Sat, 17 July 2021, 22:57:28
6 pages since I’ve checked this and not a single picture of an aluminum top, finished rukias, PCBs…

Maybe I missed this but Jaxx did say in the discord on 5/31 that he had finished and shipped some “kits” out without PCBs. Has anyone posted any pictures in any of the various keyboard communities?

I would LOVE it if someone could show us their built r2 rukia. I’m a bit peeved that instead of showing the discord those finished kits or how they were packaged or a stack of them going out or anything at all to indicate that they actually exist and went out…they were just shipped.

I say I might’ve missed it because it was almost 2 months ago but hopefully that means they ended up in the hands of some awesome community members that are willing to show their finished builds! And maybe they even have one or more of those elusive aluminum tops.

Only ~4 months until our 1st estimated shipping date anniversary  🥰

Nobody has seen any picture of the board. Not even Gondo, his collaborator. And yet people are still hopeful they exist. This is sad.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Zurg Eon on Sun, 18 July 2021, 00:22:45
I believe in my own assessment that Jaxxstatic is the type of guy who's able to pull off something like this. Time will tell if I'm wrong. Covering up the parts that didn't need refinishing and then refinishing to match the rest, must be a helluva lot of work. The SCIF part I can believe, because of.. reasons.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jtangjt on Sun, 18 July 2021, 03:26:29
6 pages since I’ve checked this and not a single picture of an aluminum top, finished rukias, PCBs…

Maybe I missed this but Jaxx did say in the discord on 5/31 that he had finished and shipped some “kits” out without PCBs. Has anyone posted any pictures in any of the various keyboard communities?

I would LOVE it if someone could show us their built r2 rukia. I’m a bit peeved that instead of showing the discord those finished kits or how they were packaged or a stack of them going out or anything at all to indicate that they actually exist and went out…they were just shipped.

I say I might’ve missed it because it was almost 2 months ago but hopefully that means they ended up in the hands of some awesome community members that are willing to show their finished builds! And maybe they even have one or more of those elusive aluminum tops.

Only ~4 months until our 1st estimated shipping date anniversary  🥰

Nobody has seen any picture of the board. Not even Gondo, his collaborator. And yet people are still hopeful they exist. This is sad.

That's the weird thing. Boards were shipped without PCBs. To who?? I didn't get the option to get my board without a pcb. Is this an SE GB only kind of thing?

I went back and read the discord #updates thread. Here's a summary:




So Rukia R2 is going to be a mix of in-house produced boards, and "boat boards" from an overseas manufacturer that he is able to refinish after being "damaged by box cutters". All of these boards are currently being modified so that PCBs can fit because chip shortage means PCBs need different components than what was in the original design from last year. Too bad he didn't order PCBs last year when this wasn't an issue... even though he said he'd be shipping full kits in December 2020. It's kinda weird how he said that before ordering PCBs. It's kinda weird how the numbers for the boat boards don't add up. first batch is 150 units on a boat for months and then (undisclosed number) boards are damaged but all 300 of them are going to be inspected and refinished. Somehow he also has the means for producing rukias in-house now... but it's in a SCIF and he can't take pictures. But where are the boat rukias? Surely he could have taken photos of them. There are allegedly 150 or 300 of them.

Anyway I don't believe any of the stuff he says anymore and I want to know what jaxx did with my money.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Sun, 18 July 2021, 07:24:28
6 pages since I’ve checked this and not a single picture of an aluminum top, finished rukias, PCBs…

Maybe I missed this but Jaxx did say in the discord on 5/31 that he had finished and shipped some “kits” out without PCBs. Has anyone posted any pictures in any of the various keyboard communities?

I would LOVE it if someone could show us their built r2 rukia. I’m a bit peeved that instead of showing the discord those finished kits or how they were packaged or a stack of them going out or anything at all to indicate that they actually exist and went out…they were just shipped.

I say I might’ve missed it because it was almost 2 months ago but hopefully that means they ended up in the hands of some awesome community members that are willing to show their finished builds! And maybe they even have one or more of those elusive aluminum tops.

Only ~4 months until our 1st estimated shipping date anniversary  🥰

Nobody has seen any picture of the board. Not even Gondo, his collaborator. And yet people are still hopeful they exist. This is sad.

That's the weird thing. Boards were shipped without PCBs. To who?? I didn't get the option to get my board without a pcb. Is this an SE GB only kind of thing?

I went back and read the discord #updates thread. Here's a summary:


  • in November 2020, he said that shipping from the overseas manu is coming in batches. The first batch is 150 boards. Boards should ship to him first week of December, and then get packed and shipped out to customers in the following week.
  • in December 2020, he said that the first batch was supposed to arrive at the beginning of December. It hasn't arrived and it's because it was shipped via boat. Also he has the means to make rukias in-house now. He said he can probably produce the first batch within 4 weeks. (estimated. not guaranteed) He also started raffling refunded spots and pointed out that it's unusual for GB runners to even offer refunds.
  • We wait for boat boards for months
  • in March 2021, he says that an undisclosed number of boards were damaged likely due to box cutters. The 300 boards will be shipped to him. 300? not 150? Which batch is this? The first batch is 150 boards and was on the boat we were waiting for since November. Were there more than one batch on this boat? How many batches are there in total from the overseas manu? How many boats were they shipped on? Can we see the boards?
  • In April 2021, Kimchijodyboi says no refunds. he also says "CHOTTO MATTE IM NOT PISSED KEKW SPAIN WITHOUT THE A" yeah ok idk what that means. Also, I'm pissed. It's been a year since the GB started and I have nothing but a $400 hole in my wallet.
  • In May 2021, he shows a side by side of his in-house produced rukia vs a round 1 rukia. he shows some pictures of scuffed rukias and gives examples of things he can fix vs things he can't fix. He posts a shaky cam video of himself which tells us literally nothing lol, as well as pictures of end mills, and a CNC machine, and white boxes... It is not explicitly stated that the scuffed rukias are boat rukias. He only says that they are damaged.
  • He then updates that some kits were shipped out but without PCBs. Again, to who? I wasn't informed about this and didn't get this choice. He then talks about the chip shortage. My dude you didn't order the PCBs last year. I joined GBs after Rukia sales ended that have delivered. They didn't have issues with the chip shortage for their PCBs.


So Rukia R2 is going to be a mix of in-house produced boards, and "boat boards" from an overseas manufacturer that he is able to refinish after being "damaged by box cutters". All of these boards are currently being modified so that PCBs can fit because chip shortage means PCBs need different components than what was in the original design from last year. Too bad he didn't order PCBs last year when this wasn't an issue... even though he said he'd be shipping full kits in December 2020. It's kinda weird how he said that before ordering PCBs. It's kinda weird how the numbers for the boat boards don't add up. first batch is 150 units on a boat for months and then (undisclosed number) boards are damaged but all 300 of them are going to be inspected and refinished. Somehow he also has the means for producing rukias in-house now... but it's in a SCIF and he can't take pictures. But where are the boat rukias? Surely he could have taken photos of them. There are allegedly 150 or 300 of them.

Anyway I don't believe any of the stuff he says anymore and I want to know what jaxx did with my money.

Correction: the part about the PCB is wrong. It fits the PCB just fine, even with new components. The PCB is not the issue. The problem is that the case bottom does not fit third-party PCBs.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jtangjt on Sun, 18 July 2021, 12:00:50
6 pages since I’ve checked this and not a single picture of an aluminum top, finished rukias, PCBs…

Maybe I missed this but Jaxx did say in the discord on 5/31 that he had finished and shipped some “kits” out without PCBs. Has anyone posted any pictures in any of the various keyboard communities?

I would LOVE it if someone could show us their built r2 rukia. I’m a bit peeved that instead of showing the discord those finished kits or how they were packaged or a stack of them going out or anything at all to indicate that they actually exist and went out…they were just shipped.

I say I might’ve missed it because it was almost 2 months ago but hopefully that means they ended up in the hands of some awesome community members that are willing to show their finished builds! And maybe they even have one or more of those elusive aluminum tops.

Only ~4 months until our 1st estimated shipping date anniversary 

Nobody has seen any picture of the board. Not even Gondo, his collaborator. And yet people are still hopeful they exist. This is sad.

That's the weird thing. Boards were shipped without PCBs. To who?? I didn't get the option to get my board without a pcb. Is this an SE GB only kind of thing?

I went back and read the discord #updates thread. Here's a summary:


  • in November 2020, he said that shipping from the overseas manu is coming in batches. The first batch is 150 boards. Boards should ship to him first week of December, and then get packed and shipped out to customers in the following week.
  • in December 2020, he said that the first batch was supposed to arrive at the beginning of December. It hasn't arrived and it's because it was shipped via boat. Also he has the means to make rukias in-house now. He said he can probably produce the first batch within 4 weeks. (estimated. not guaranteed) He also started raffling refunded spots and pointed out that it's unusual for GB runners to even offer refunds.
  • We wait for boat boards for months
  • in March 2021, he says that an undisclosed number of boards were damaged likely due to box cutters. The 300 boards will be shipped to him. 300? not 150? Which batch is this? The first batch is 150 boards and was on the boat we were waiting for since November. Were there more than one batch on this boat? How many batches are there in total from the overseas manu? How many boats were they shipped on? Can we see the boards?
  • In April 2021, Kimchijodyboi says no refunds. he also says "CHOTTO MATTE IM NOT PISSED KEKW SPAIN WITHOUT THE A" yeah ok idk what that means. Also, I'm pissed. It's been a year since the GB started and I have nothing but a $400 hole in my wallet.
  • In May 2021, he shows a side by side of his in-house produced rukia vs a round 1 rukia. he shows some pictures of scuffed rukias and gives examples of things he can fix vs things he can't fix. He posts a shaky cam video of himself which tells us literally nothing lol, as well as pictures of end mills, and a CNC machine, and white boxes... It is not explicitly stated that the scuffed rukias are boat rukias. He only says that they are damaged.
  • He then updates that some kits were shipped out but without PCBs. Again, to who? I wasn't informed about this and didn't get this choice. He then talks about the chip shortage. My dude you didn't order the PCBs last year. I joined GBs after Rukia sales ended that have delivered. They didn't have issues with the chip shortage for their PCBs.


So Rukia R2 is going to be a mix of in-house produced boards, and "boat boards" from an overseas manufacturer that he is able to refinish after being "damaged by box cutters". All of these boards are currently being modified so that PCBs can fit because chip shortage means PCBs need different components than what was in the original design from last year. Too bad he didn't order PCBs last year when this wasn't an issue... even though he said he'd be shipping full kits in December 2020. It's kinda weird how he said that before ordering PCBs. It's kinda weird how the numbers for the boat boards don't add up. first batch is 150 units on a boat for months and then (undisclosed number) boards are damaged but all 300 of them are going to be inspected and refinished. Somehow he also has the means for producing rukias in-house now... but it's in a SCIF and he can't take pictures. But where are the boat rukias? Surely he could have taken photos of them. There are allegedly 150 or 300 of them.

Anyway I don't believe any of the stuff he says anymore and I want to know what jaxx did with my money.

Correction: the part about the PCB is wrong. It fits the PCB just fine, even with new components. The PCB is not the issue. The problem is that the case bottom does not fit third-party PCBs.

On May 31, 2021 in #updates on discord he posted:
Quote
"There is a shortage on components amongst different PCB manufacturers, so I've been busy consolidating sources for parts and figuring out assembly that falls within budget.
Tried to see if assembling in-house was possible, but it takes too long
Replacement components are taller as well. Also tested newer revisions of available Alice-compatible PCBs, and they have the same issue--
so I have to remove about a 1mm of space in the bottom case under the PCB"

I don't mean to argue with you but it seems like from this update, he's saying that the replacement components (because chip shortage and because he didn't order anything until now) AND newer revisions of available PCBs don't fit. The original design might have fit, but we don't get to have the original design because it wasn't ordered.

But anyway, I'm just quoting an update that I don't believe to be entirely truthful. If you have more info on the situation I'll trust what you say. It's not like I have a choice anymore. Money's gone.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Sun, 18 July 2021, 14:30:11
Imagine getting a 4 sentence update from the one person who could answer all questions.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: juaninamilli on Sun, 18 July 2021, 19:13:53
6 pages since I’ve checked this and not a single picture of an aluminum top, finished rukias, PCBs…

Maybe I missed this but Jaxx did say in the discord on 5/31 that he had finished and shipped some “kits” out without PCBs. Has anyone posted any pictures in any of the various keyboard communities?

I would LOVE it if someone could show us their built r2 rukia. I’m a bit peeved that instead of showing the discord those finished kits or how they were packaged or a stack of them going out or anything at all to indicate that they actually exist and went out…they were just shipped.

I say I might’ve missed it because it was almost 2 months ago but hopefully that means they ended up in the hands of some awesome community members that are willing to show their finished builds! And maybe they even have one or more of those elusive aluminum tops.

Only ~4 months until our 1st estimated shipping date anniversary 

Nobody has seen any picture of the board. Not even Gondo, his collaborator. And yet people are still hopeful they exist. This is sad.

That's the weird thing. Boards were shipped without PCBs. To who?? I didn't get the option to get my board without a pcb. Is this an SE GB only kind of thing?

I went back and read the discord #updates thread. Here's a summary:


  • in November 2020, he said that shipping from the overseas manu is coming in batches. The first batch is 150 boards. Boards should ship to him first week of December, and then get packed and shipped out to customers in the following week.
  • in December 2020, he said that the first batch was supposed to arrive at the beginning of December. It hasn't arrived and it's because it was shipped via boat. Also he has the means to make rukias in-house now. He said he can probably produce the first batch within 4 weeks. (estimated. not guaranteed) He also started raffling refunded spots and pointed out that it's unusual for GB runners to even offer refunds.
  • We wait for boat boards for months
  • in March 2021, he says that an undisclosed number of boards were damaged likely due to box cutters. The 300 boards will be shipped to him. 300? not 150? Which batch is this? The first batch is 150 boards and was on the boat we were waiting for since November. Were there more than one batch on this boat? How many batches are there in total from the overseas manu? How many boats were they shipped on? Can we see the boards?
  • In April 2021, Kimchijodyboi says no refunds. he also says "CHOTTO MATTE IM NOT PISSED KEKW SPAIN WITHOUT THE A" yeah ok idk what that means. Also, I'm pissed. It's been a year since the GB started and I have nothing but a $400 hole in my wallet.
  • In May 2021, he shows a side by side of his in-house produced rukia vs a round 1 rukia. he shows some pictures of scuffed rukias and gives examples of things he can fix vs things he can't fix. He posts a shaky cam video of himself which tells us literally nothing lol, as well as pictures of end mills, and a CNC machine, and white boxes... It is not explicitly stated that the scuffed rukias are boat rukias. He only says that they are damaged.
  • He then updates that some kits were shipped out but without PCBs. Again, to who? I wasn't informed about this and didn't get this choice. He then talks about the chip shortage. My dude you didn't order the PCBs last year. I joined GBs after Rukia sales ended that have delivered. They didn't have issues with the chip shortage for their PCBs.


So Rukia R2 is going to be a mix of in-house produced boards, and "boat boards" from an overseas manufacturer that he is able to refinish after being "damaged by box cutters". All of these boards are currently being modified so that PCBs can fit because chip shortage means PCBs need different components than what was in the original design from last year. Too bad he didn't order PCBs last year when this wasn't an issue... even though he said he'd be shipping full kits in December 2020. It's kinda weird how he said that before ordering PCBs. It's kinda weird how the numbers for the boat boards don't add up. first batch is 150 units on a boat for months and then (undisclosed number) boards are damaged but all 300 of them are going to be inspected and refinished. Somehow he also has the means for producing rukias in-house now... but it's in a SCIF and he can't take pictures. But where are the boat rukias? Surely he could have taken photos of them. There are allegedly 150 or 300 of them.

Anyway I don't believe any of the stuff he says anymore and I want to know what jaxx did with my money.

Correction: the part about the PCB is wrong. It fits the PCB just fine, even with new components. The PCB is not the issue. The problem is that the case bottom does not fit third-party PCBs.
I can’t seem to wrap my head around this explanation. Don’t switch pins usually extend past any components on a PCB? Is depth the problem or is it a footprint issue?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: nulltorious on Sun, 18 July 2021, 19:26:07

Quote
I can’t seem to wrap my head around this explanation. Don’t switch pins usually extend past any components on a PCB? Is depth the problem or is it a footprint issue?

Yeah doesn't makes sense. I have built OG Alices and clone Alices and don't see how this would be a problem. I only had to worry about port size for USB C or Mini and top/bottom mounted USB port on PCB.

+1 on the idea of shipping the board with no PCB. Then again they don't exist (no proof), I won't get my hopes up... :(

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Sun, 18 July 2021, 20:01:59
Im honestly surprised something can be 're-milled' after its already been CNC'd initially. How do you accurately do something like that when its no longer a block of raw material.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: RedBananaBread on Sun, 18 July 2021, 22:42:42
6 pages since I’ve checked this and not a single picture of an aluminum top, finished rukias, PCBs…

Maybe I missed this but Jaxx did say in the discord on 5/31 that he had finished and shipped some “kits” out without PCBs. Has anyone posted any pictures in any of the various keyboard communities?

I would LOVE it if someone could show us their built r2 rukia. I’m a bit peeved that instead of showing the discord those finished kits or how they were packaged or a stack of them going out or anything at all to indicate that they actually exist and went out…they were just shipped.

I say I might’ve missed it because it was almost 2 months ago but hopefully that means they ended up in the hands of some awesome community members that are willing to show their finished builds! And maybe they even have one or more of those elusive aluminum tops.

Only ~4 months until our 1st estimated shipping date anniversary  🥰

Nobody has seen any picture of the board. Not even Gondo, his collaborator. And yet people are still hopeful they exist. This is sad.

That's the weird thing. Boards were shipped without PCBs. To who?? I didn't get the option to get my board without a pcb. Is this an SE GB only kind of thing?

I went back and read the discord #updates thread. Here's a summary:


  • in November 2020, he said that shipping from the overseas manu is coming in batches. The first batch is 150 boards. Boards should ship to him first week of December, and then get packed and shipped out to customers in the following week.
  • in December 2020, he said that the first batch was supposed to arrive at the beginning of December. It hasn't arrived and it's because it was shipped via boat. Also he has the means to make rukias in-house now. He said he can probably produce the first batch within 4 weeks. (estimated. not guaranteed) He also started raffling refunded spots and pointed out that it's unusual for GB runners to even offer refunds.
  • We wait for boat boards for months
  • in March 2021, he says that an undisclosed number of boards were damaged likely due to box cutters. The 300 boards will be shipped to him. 300? not 150? Which batch is this? The first batch is 150 boards and was on the boat we were waiting for since November. Were there more than one batch on this boat? How many batches are there in total from the overseas manu? How many boats were they shipped on? Can we see the boards?
  • In April 2021, Kimchijodyboi says no refunds. he also says "CHOTTO MATTE IM NOT PISSED KEKW SPAIN WITHOUT THE A" yeah ok idk what that means. Also, I'm pissed. It's been a year since the GB started and I have nothing but a $400 hole in my wallet.
  • In May 2021, he shows a side by side of his in-house produced rukia vs a round 1 rukia. he shows some pictures of scuffed rukias and gives examples of things he can fix vs things he can't fix. He posts a shaky cam video of himself which tells us literally nothing lol, as well as pictures of end mills, and a CNC machine, and white boxes... It is not explicitly stated that the scuffed rukias are boat rukias. He only says that they are damaged.
  • He then updates that some kits were shipped out but without PCBs. Again, to who? I wasn't informed about this and didn't get this choice. He then talks about the chip shortage. My dude you didn't order the PCBs last year. I joined GBs after Rukia sales ended that have delivered. They didn't have issues with the chip shortage for their PCBs.


So Rukia R2 is going to be a mix of in-house produced boards, and "boat boards" from an overseas manufacturer that he is able to refinish after being "damaged by box cutters". All of these boards are currently being modified so that PCBs can fit because chip shortage means PCBs need different components than what was in the original design from last year. Too bad he didn't order PCBs last year when this wasn't an issue... even though he said he'd be shipping full kits in December 2020. It's kinda weird how he said that before ordering PCBs. It's kinda weird how the numbers for the boat boards don't add up. first batch is 150 units on a boat for months and then (undisclosed number) boards are damaged but all 300 of them are going to be inspected and refinished. Somehow he also has the means for producing rukias in-house now... but it's in a SCIF and he can't take pictures. But where are the boat rukias? Surely he could have taken photos of them. There are allegedly 150 or 300 of them.

Anyway I don't believe any of the stuff he says anymore and I want to know what jaxx did with my money.

This is a great summary of all the excuses he's given us so far. Personally, I've always just given Jaxx the benefit of doubt. But 15 months on from the GB, with PCBs not done, I think we'd all like some answers.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Sun, 18 July 2021, 23:35:43
I wonder if I post my slot for sell if he will cancel my order. lol  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Mon, 19 July 2021, 08:51:02
I can’t seem to wrap my head around this explanation. Don’t switch pins usually extend past any components on a PCB? Is depth the problem or is it a footprint issue?

I don't mean to argue with you but it seems like from this update, he's saying that the replacement components (because chip shortage and because he didn't order anything until now) AND newer revisions of available PCBs don't fit. The original design might have fit, but we don't get to have the original design because it wasn't ordered.

But anyway, I'm just quoting an update that I don't believe to be entirely truthful. If you have more info on the situation I'll trust what you say. It's not like I have a choice anymore. Money's gone.

I would not know about the third-party PCBs. What I do know from Jaxx himself is that the PCB I designed fits, and the specific issue is fitment of third-party PCBs. The components replaced are the same package as the old ones, so they have the same physical dimensions.

As for juaninamilli's question: how components fit inside a case is not as simple as it might look. There are some components that do extend past switch pins, for instance 3216 tantallum capacitors. You also have to account for the fact that the PCB wobbles up and down as you type so even if you give the components enough clearance, you might have them hit the bottom of the case if the clearance is too tight. Generally you would check clearances using 3D models, which I did supply to Jaxx (hence why my PCB works) but I would guess that, in the case of said third-party PCBs, he did not have access to those models.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ZyBeR on Mon, 19 July 2021, 09:02:32
So all this (alleged) re-machining of (hopefully existing) cases isn't to fit the pcb they we sold with, but for other 3rd-party ones?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Mon, 19 July 2021, 09:05:13
So all this (alleged) re-machining of (hopefully existing) cases isn't to fit the pcb they we sold with, but for other 3rd-party ones?

That is the current information I have. So much so that no major refactoring of the original PCB was needed, only component replacements which did not need redesign.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ZyBeR on Mon, 19 July 2021, 09:10:40
So all this (alleged) re-machining of (hopefully existing) cases isn't to fit the pcb they we sold with, but for other 3rd-party ones?

That is the current information I have. So much so that no major refactoring of the original PCB was needed, only component replacements which did not need redesign.

Given that, plus the fact no pcbs has been ordered and that he's not communicating with you.. it's far fetched to draw the conclusion there is/were no intention to use your design. That though assumes hes intentions are to fulfill the gb which also can be questioned at this stage.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Mon, 19 July 2021, 13:11:34
So all this (alleged) re-machining of (hopefully existing) cases isn't to fit the pcb they we sold with, but for other 3rd-party ones?

That is the current information I have. So much so that no major refactoring of the original PCB was needed, only component replacements which did not need redesign.

Given that, plus the fact no pcbs has been ordered and that he's not communicating with you.. it's far fetched to draw the conclusion there is/were no intention to use your design. That though assumes hes intentions are to fulfill the gb which also can be questioned at this stage.

We picked up communication since my little rant. Things seem to be moving. I'll give more updates as I have them, but nothing worth noting for now
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: cuongcan2020 on Mon, 19 July 2021, 14:29:25
6 pages since I’ve checked this and not a single picture of an aluminum top, finished rukias, PCBs…

Maybe I missed this but Jaxx did say in the discord on 5/31 that he had finished and shipped some “kits” out without PCBs. Has anyone posted any pictures in any of the various keyboard communities?

I would LOVE it if someone could show us their built r2 rukia. I’m a bit peeved that instead of showing the discord those finished kits or how they were packaged or a stack of them going out or anything at all to indicate that they actually exist and went out…they were just shipped.

I say I might’ve missed it because it was almost 2 months ago but hopefully that means they ended up in the hands of some awesome community members that are willing to show their finished builds! And maybe they even have one or more of those elusive aluminum tops.

Only ~4 months until our 1st estimated shipping date anniversary  🥰

Nobody has seen any picture of the board. Not even Gondo, his collaborator. And yet people are still hopeful they exist. This is sad.

That's the weird thing. Boards were shipped without PCBs. To who?? I didn't get the option to get my board without a pcb. Is this an SE GB only kind of thing?

I went back and read the discord #updates thread. Here's a summary:


  • in November 2020, he said that shipping from the overseas manu is coming in batches. The first batch is 150 boards. Boards should ship to him first week of December, and then get packed and shipped out to customers in the following week.
  • in December 2020, he said that the first batch was supposed to arrive at the beginning of December. It hasn't arrived and it's because it was shipped via boat. Also he has the means to make rukias in-house now. He said he can probably produce the first batch within 4 weeks. (estimated. not guaranteed) He also started raffling refunded spots and pointed out that it's unusual for GB runners to even offer refunds.
  • We wait for boat boards for months
  • in March 2021, he says that an undisclosed number of boards were damaged likely due to box cutters. The 300 boards will be shipped to him. 300? not 150? Which batch is this? The first batch is 150 boards and was on the boat we were waiting for since November. Were there more than one batch on this boat? How many batches are there in total from the overseas manu? How many boats were they shipped on? Can we see the boards?
  • In April 2021, Kimchijodyboi says no refunds. he also says "CHOTTO MATTE IM NOT PISSED KEKW SPAIN WITHOUT THE A" yeah ok idk what that means. Also, I'm pissed. It's been a year since the GB started and I have nothing but a $400 hole in my wallet.
  • In May 2021, he shows a side by side of his in-house produced rukia vs a round 1 rukia. he shows some pictures of scuffed rukias and gives examples of things he can fix vs things he can't fix. He posts a shaky cam video of himself which tells us literally nothing lol, as well as pictures of end mills, and a CNC machine, and white boxes... It is not explicitly stated that the scuffed rukias are boat rukias. He only says that they are damaged.
  • He then updates that some kits were shipped out but without PCBs. Again, to who? I wasn't informed about this and didn't get this choice. He then talks about the chip shortage. My dude you didn't order the PCBs last year. I joined GBs after Rukia sales ended that have delivered. They didn't have issues with the chip shortage for their PCBs.


So Rukia R2 is going to be a mix of in-house produced boards, and "boat boards" from an overseas manufacturer that he is able to refinish after being "damaged by box cutters". All of these boards are currently being modified so that PCBs can fit because chip shortage means PCBs need different components than what was in the original design from last year. Too bad he didn't order PCBs last year when this wasn't an issue... even though he said he'd be shipping full kits in December 2020. It's kinda weird how he said that before ordering PCBs. It's kinda weird how the numbers for the boat boards don't add up. first batch is 150 units on a boat for months and then (undisclosed number) boards are damaged but all 300 of them are going to be inspected and refinished. Somehow he also has the means for producing rukias in-house now... but it's in a SCIF and he can't take pictures. But where are the boat rukias? Surely he could have taken photos of them. There are allegedly 150 or 300 of them.

Anyway I don't believe any of the stuff he says anymore and I want to know what jaxx did with my money.

Nice summary.

Let's say the first patch with 150 boards would have arrived on time back in NOV 2020. What PCB did Jaxx plan to ship those with? Remember, we paid for Gondo's PCB, not 3rd parties PCB. And according to Gondo info, Jax has not even ordered any prototypes until late June 2021. How come he was so confident at that time to say that he would ship the first 150 boards in NOV-DEC 2020?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jtangjt on Mon, 19 July 2021, 14:52:30
So all this (alleged) re-machining of (hopefully existing) cases isn't to fit the pcb they we sold with, but for other 3rd-party ones?

That is the current information I have. So much so that no major refactoring of the original PCB was needed, only component replacements which did not need redesign.

Given that, plus the fact no pcbs has been ordered and that he's not communicating with you.. it's far fetched to draw the conclusion there is/were no intention to use your design. That though assumes hes intentions are to fulfill the gb which also can be questioned at this stage.

We picked up communication since my little rant. Things seem to be moving. I'll give more updates as I have them, but nothing worth noting for now

We were told that things were moving along a year ago, and that we could look forward to Rukia shipping before Thanksgiving, and then Christmas, and then it just kept shifting to the right. Gondo, do you trust jaxx to fulfill this GB? I've been patiently waiting for over a year, and it's incredibly frustrating to receive second or even third hand updates and not know what to make of them. The first hand updates I received were either:

I have so many more questions about what's going on that I never expect to get answered. I'm reluctant to even join any more GBs after what happened here.

Bottom line is, I don't trust jaxx, and I don't trust his mods. It's starting to seem like the only person I trust to give honest updates here is you, and that's not fair to either of us.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Mon, 19 July 2021, 17:51:07
So all this (alleged) re-machining of (hopefully existing) cases isn't to fit the pcb they we sold with, but for other 3rd-party ones?

That is the current information I have. So much so that no major refactoring of the original PCB was needed, only component replacements which did not need redesign.

Given that, plus the fact no pcbs has been ordered and that he's not communicating with you.. it's far fetched to draw the conclusion there is/were no intention to use your design. That though assumes hes intentions are to fulfill the gb which also can be questioned at this stage.

We picked up communication since my little rant. Things seem to be moving. I'll give more updates as I have them, but nothing worth noting for now

We were told that things were moving along a year ago, and that we could look forward to Rukia shipping before Thanksgiving, and then Christmas, and then it just kept shifting to the right. Gondo, do you trust jaxx to fulfill this GB? I've been patiently waiting for over a year, and it's incredibly frustrating to receive second or even third hand updates and not know what to make of them. The first hand updates I received were either:
  • full of promises that have fallen through (weekly updates?)
  • filled with things that didn't add up (150 vs 300 boards on the boat, which batch was on the boat? How many boards were damaged?)
  • later proven to be false(shipping out in December but PCBs never ordered)

I have so many more questions about what's going on that I never expect to get answered. I'm reluctant to even join any more GBs after what happened here.

Bottom line is, I don't trust jaxx, and I don't trust his mods. It's starting to seem like the only person I trust to give honest updates here is you, and that's not fair to either of us.

You know, I completely resonate with your sentiment here. I know that situations like these are deeply frustrating and it does make you think twice before entering a GB ever again. I take much pride in stating that I am a "unique" designer in that I am very active in the community; due to the high number of messages, questions, (and some harassment here and there), designers will generally disable their DMs and do their thing, which is admirable and I wanted to be like that... But I need the human element. I need... this. Talking. Instead of a designer that participates in the community, I like to think myself as a community member that designs. I know how a frustrated GB feels like, and I know that you guys could be either enjoying a nice Rukia right now or not participated and spend that money in an RTX GPU right now.

That being said, it still is weird to be in this side of the community. I can't make judgement calls, as it's deeply unprofessional. The extent of my action is what I was hired to do, and reporting on that. Is that "fair"? Fairness is generally not something I care about in my day to day life, as it is quite often that someone pays a price they should not in order to make or at least help get a collective objective forward. Today, that is me, and I will gladly be that person to update people. Niezsche spent an entire lifetime writing his books about how morals and ego are the bane of the existence. Is this fair to me? Maybe not, maybe it is, but if it gets this Group Buy going I will take it either way.

I do think Jaxx is committed to delivering his GB. Not only has he stated that multiple times, but last week when I demanded payment in this very thread he contacted me and I manifested I feel very uneasy about this because what good does it do me to put effort into a sinking boat for free? He then told me he would understand if I jumped out and proceeded to transfer me half of the commission money. So it seems his money is definitely where his mouth is.

The reasons that keep him from delivering the group buy and giving rather questionable updates are none of my business, and from his updates might involve personal and family issues, so I really don't want to engage in that discussion. For that matter, I will play devil's advocate here and say: it takes huge cojones to publicly say you failed. I am currently running a GB for my signature PCB, the Lasgweloth, and it has been an year and a half and I was not able to deliver it -- MCU shortage, DHL losing units, plates came scuffed, Murphy's Law took a huge dump on my GB -- and for the life of me, every time I have to give people bad news I feel a void inside. I spent 500+ USD more than people paid for them and I still don't have them delivered. It sucks to admit failure, it makes you feel like a pile of poopoo coming out of the behinds of the most pest-ridden street dog you can find, and yet I have to bring myself to tell them... I have failed. I did my best, it was not enough. I was not enough. Which is the reason I leave the updates to late night so that I can just fall asleep and don't think much about how I suck.

Is Jaxx ill-intended? I don't think so, no. In my opinion, he'd have poofed out completely a long time ago. Could he have done a better job? Probably but "could" and "would" are no good in situations like these.

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Tue, 20 July 2021, 16:39:34
 :D
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: juaninamilli on Tue, 20 July 2021, 17:48:00
So all this (alleged) re-machining of (hopefully existing) cases isn't to fit the pcb they we sold with, but for other 3rd-party ones?

That is the current information I have. So much so that no major refactoring of the original PCB was needed, only component replacements which did not need redesign.

Given that, plus the fact no pcbs has been ordered and that he's not communicating with you.. it's far fetched to draw the conclusion there is/were no intention to use your design. That though assumes hes intentions are to fulfill the gb which also can be questioned at this stage.

We picked up communication since my little rant. Things seem to be moving. I'll give more updates as I have them, but nothing worth noting for now

We were told that things were moving along a year ago, and that we could look forward to Rukia shipping before Thanksgiving, and then Christmas, and then it just kept shifting to the right. Gondo, do you trust jaxx to fulfill this GB? I've been patiently waiting for over a year, and it's incredibly frustrating to receive second or even third hand updates and not know what to make of them. The first hand updates I received were either:
  • full of promises that have fallen through (weekly updates?)
  • filled with things that didn't add up (150 vs 300 boards on the boat, which batch was on the boat? How many boards were damaged?)
  • later proven to be false(shipping out in December but PCBs never ordered)

I have so many more questions about what's going on that I never expect to get answered. I'm reluctant to even join any more GBs after what happened here.

Bottom line is, I don't trust jaxx, and I don't trust his mods. It's starting to seem like the only person I trust to give honest updates here is you, and that's not fair to either of us.
Mods?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jtangjt on Wed, 21 July 2021, 01:52:39
So all this (alleged) re-machining of (hopefully existing) cases isn't to fit the pcb they we sold with, but for other 3rd-party ones?

That is the current information I have. So much so that no major refactoring of the original PCB was needed, only component replacements which did not need redesign.

Given that, plus the fact no pcbs has been ordered and that he's not communicating with you.. it's far fetched to draw the conclusion there is/were no intention to use your design. That though assumes hes intentions are to fulfill the gb which also can be questioned at this stage.

We picked up communication since my little rant. Things seem to be moving. I'll give more updates as I have them, but nothing worth noting for now

We were told that things were moving along a year ago, and that we could look forward to Rukia shipping before Thanksgiving, and then Christmas, and then it just kept shifting to the right. Gondo, do you trust jaxx to fulfill this GB? I've been patiently waiting for over a year, and it's incredibly frustrating to receive second or even third hand updates and not know what to make of them. The first hand updates I received were either:
  • full of promises that have fallen through (weekly updates?)
  • filled with things that didn't add up (150 vs 300 boards on the boat, which batch was on the boat? How many boards were damaged?)
  • later proven to be false(shipping out in December but PCBs never ordered)

I have so many more questions about what's going on that I never expect to get answered. I'm reluctant to even join any more GBs after what happened here.

Bottom line is, I don't trust jaxx, and I don't trust his mods. It's starting to seem like the only person I trust to give honest updates here is you, and that's not fair to either of us.
Mods?

Mods of the discord server. Sorry if this wasn't clear haha.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: juaninamilli on Wed, 21 July 2021, 06:28:59

Mods of the discord server. Sorry if this wasn't clear haha.
Well… I’m waiting for my board just like you are, and I was modding early on w a few others. The way I recall… all mods were just GB members that were helping keep things civil. Kimchi was the only one giving updates, but even then… he was just sharing what he was being told.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jtangjt on Wed, 21 July 2021, 09:26:21

Mods of the discord server. Sorry if this wasn't clear haha.
Well… I’m waiting for my board just like you are, and I was modding early on w a few others. The way I recall… all mods were just GB members that were helping keep things civil. Kimchi was the only one giving updates, but even then… he was just sharing what he was being told.

The impression I got from the past few months is that there was definitely information to be shared that wasn't being shared. I felt like I was purposefully being kept in the dark for some reason, especially when the discord server got locked down after zero updates, and hearing rumors about separate channel or server for Rukia SE GB that was still getting news. This is after Jaxx promised weekly updates from him personally as well. Keeping up with this geekhack thread and hearing second hand updates from people who have DM'd him for information and gotten replies was just the icing on the cake. If the GB is moving along, and Jaxx has the time to answer DMs, or update the SE GB folks, or tell his mods some news, how come the same information (or even a diluted version of it) was not relayed to the regular GB customers? Even a single line update every week (as promised?) would have been appreciated. Instead, we watched projected shipping dates pass us by, or waited for updates that never came, or a mod told us: "no refunds," or the server was straight up just locked down.

That's not to say that there weren't any updates. It's just that weekly updates didn't happen, and when jaxx says "more info tomorrow" we didn't get it, and then whatever news he gave us didn't seem to add up.

Thanks for modding early on. Things were probably better back then, but starting around March this year I've slowly lost my faith in people involved in this project. Ever since I stopped lurking and started asking questions on geekhack, I've found Gondo to be the most transparent person here.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: juaninamilli on Wed, 21 July 2021, 14:15:05

Mods of the discord server. Sorry if this wasn't clear haha.
Well… I’m waiting for my board just like you are, and I was modding early on w a few others. The way I recall… all mods were just GB members that were helping keep things civil. Kimchi was the only one giving updates, but even then… he was just sharing what he was being told.

The impression I got from the past few months is that there was definitely information to be shared that wasn't being shared. I felt like I was purposefully being kept in the dark for some reason, especially when the discord server got locked down after zero updates, and hearing rumors about separate channel or server for Rukia SE GB that was still getting news. This is after Jaxx promised weekly updates from him personally as well. Keeping up with this geekhack thread and hearing second hand updates from people who have DM'd him for information and gotten replies was just the icing on the cake. If the GB is moving along, and Jaxx has the time to answer DMs, or update the SE GB folks, or tell his mods some news, how come the same information (or even a diluted version of it) was not relayed to the regular GB customers? Even a single line update every week (as promised?) would have been appreciated. Instead, we watched projected shipping dates pass us by, or waited for updates that never came, or a mod told us: "no refunds," or the server was straight up just locked down.

That's not to say that there weren't any updates. It's just that weekly updates didn't happen, and when jaxx says "more info tomorrow" we didn't get it, and then whatever news he gave us didn't seem to add up.

Thanks for modding early on. Things were probably better back then, but starting around March this year I've slowly lost my faith in people involved in this project. Ever since I stopped lurking and started asking questions on geekhack, I've found Gondo to be the most transparent person here.
I can’t speak for the others, but there was no “extra” info given to me as a mod. I received my updates at the same time everyone else did. I might be wrong, but it seemed like kimchi got the answers he got (and shared) because he asked for them.  I don’t have a crystal ball, or any insider info... but I still have my build planned out. I still hope to get the board and hope that this is something we can all get passed. If it doesn’t happen… well that’s something I risked when joining a GB. I don’t expect everyone to feel the same way I do or to have the same amount of patience. We’re human and we feel/think differently. So… if I have lost your trust…. I’m sorry to hear that and I wish that weren’t the case… but I also don’t understand why. And that’s okay too.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: yhehdgjs on Fri, 23 July 2021, 00:49:39
Is this some kind of sick joke or something?

Worst GB Ever
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: rpiguy9907 on Fri, 23 July 2021, 09:00:24
It is sad because this would look perfect on my shelf in between my Lumina and my Scarlet Bandana IV.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: anatworkaccount on Fri, 23 July 2021, 16:26:54
It is sad because this would look perfect on my shelf in between my Lumina and my Scarlet Bandana IV.

I have a scarlet bandana from the private run and a Lumina prototype sitting on my shelf at home :eyes:. I really do want one of the scuffed ones for... reasons.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: pool on Fri, 23 July 2021, 17:14:56
From seeing how Angry Miao handled the Cyberboard R2 delay.. to reading this..

:fans self:
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: pool on Fri, 23 July 2021, 17:15:07
From seeing how Angry Miao handled the Cyberboard R2 delay.. to reading this..

:fans self:
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Fri, 23 July 2021, 22:51:49
no news today is see ill check back next time i think about buying a new keyboard.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solomonshv on Sat, 24 July 2021, 02:21:22
Is this some kind of sick joke or something?

Worst GB Ever

i won't name names, but there are GBs that are taking over 3 years to finish delivery. a few GBs haven't delivered anything. i don't know or when this one will end, but it probably won't be the worst
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Sat, 24 July 2021, 11:00:23
^^

Jax - Hold my beer
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Sat, 24 July 2021, 11:52:30
^^

Jax - Hold my beer

lol. I feel that the next update will prolly be from Gondo on how the PCB protos are and if they are good to go. Maaaaaaybe Jaxx will update then.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Wed, 28 July 2021, 06:49:57
Anything?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Wed, 28 July 2021, 07:59:03
Anything?

I asked over a week ago to change my address, (again). No reply on that
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Wed, 28 July 2021, 17:05:18
It's starting to look more and more like we need to go the same route as Ave, and pursue legal or government intervention. It's been awhile since we have received any actual update from Jaxx that wasn't a DM to a random person. He seems to have stopped responding to everyone at this point.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Eastji on Wed, 28 July 2021, 19:29:34
i would like keyboard please
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: bananathock on Thu, 29 July 2021, 01:26:48
I do feel the same sentiment as jt.. It is truly unfair for kimchi to announce the updates. Unfair for us. Unfair for kimchi.

The truly best way to come forward is to just be honest with what is happening with the project. No fuss, no drama, no mentioning of sarcastic comments about the ice cream machine. There are ways to delay the project, antagonizing those who patronized and lauded the project is not and should not be one of them.

At this point, I feel that the runner might have flipped us in front of our faces before running away with our money.

One of the things why I didn't hang out in the channel anymore is because a moderator is speaking for Jaxx. We do owe it to kimchi for giving us the updates but it isn't the right thing to do. Once or twice, sure.. but it seems all the updates have come from kimchi, which in its case lacks the credibility as he also mentions that he is also a participant of this GB.

Like everyone else, mods or participants or even Gondo, do deserve to get their updates from Jaxx.

Run a GB, update transparently. That's basic.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jacobsmirror on Thu, 29 July 2021, 16:33:30
Smh... I don't have anything to add besides I'm sorry for adding my bad luck to this GB. I've been part of the Model F as well as the Mech27. In the future, please don't buy the things I buy. Seriously though, I hope this goes better than it has been.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Fri, 30 July 2021, 11:41:08
It will be fine in the Jaxx is just pulling Han he’ll be back down the line after we have all giving up hope
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: rpiguy9907 on Fri, 30 July 2021, 14:26:52
If you can't wait it looks like one of the polycarbonate cases without a PCB is available from Round 1 on Mechmarket:

https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/oupa8q/usny_h_rukia_w_paypal_trades/
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 30 July 2021, 17:20:36
Smh... I don't have anything to add besides I'm sorry for adding my bad luck to this GB. I've been part of the Model F as well as the Mech27. In the future, please don't buy the things I buy. Seriously though, I hope this goes better than it has been.

I have notoriously bad luck & feel the same way man. Strangely I've been mostly lucky with GBs in my time in the hobby, but it makes perfect sense it would happen to me in a GB run by a fairly well respected community member with a design that has been successfully ran once already. I hope things get better here soon too!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Sat, 31 July 2021, 10:32:16
If you can't wait it looks like one of the polycarbonate cases without a PCB is available from Round 1 on Mechmarket:

https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/oupa8q/usny_h_rukia_w_paypal_trades/

Also, there is a small GB with MOQ of 30 (50 max) that is running until the 2nd. Alter by DeskDaily. I am in for the burgundy.

(https://d2j6dbq0eux0bg.cloudfront.net/images/63402480/2409419892.jpg)

https://deskdaily.store/products/Groupbuy-Alter-Aluminum-Keyboard-p376139046 (https://deskdaily.store/products/Groupbuy-Alter-Aluminum-Keyboard-p376139046)

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jtangjt on Sat, 31 July 2021, 18:57:56
oh yea speaking of other alice layouts, someone linked the Samice IC in this thread. I actually joined it last month and it arrived two days ago. I'm typing on it right now. I had lubed mauves and gmk taro that I had reserved for my rukia build... but since that's not here yet I decided to just put those on Samice. I absolutely love the board it sounds amazing and the mirror polished stainless steel bottom is very very nice. Also the fact that it delivered in one month was simply amazing. I don't know what I'm going to do with Rukia when (if) it comes. I now already have a PC alice layout board that I love.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Sat, 31 July 2021, 23:58:07
Oh dang. That’s a crazy fast turnaround for the Samice. The last nonupdate from Jaxx was over 2 months ago now comparing the 1 month to delivery for the Samice. Hope the dude is ok but this doesn’t look good on his business.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: MajorKoos on Sun, 01 August 2021, 09:07:20
Was wondering how long it would take for this to turn into a therapy thread.
I got mine from Sneakbox.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: crazyboy1023 on Sun, 01 August 2021, 20:34:57
Is there anything we can do? Any legal action? The lack of communication/responses/updates is absolutely ridiculous. There is no evidence that things are actually progressing in a timely manner. Luckily, Jaxx responded and agreed to give me a refund on the July 18. He agreed to give me a refund, BUT he asked for a few days so that he can have time to move funds around. Unsurprisingly, I have yet to receive my refund, and now I am getting no response from him when I keep asking him for a refund.

At this point, it feels like I just got robbed. This is absolutely unacceptable.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: byakuya on Sun, 01 August 2021, 21:11:37
Yes at this point I think it is starting to become abundantly clear that Jaxx has simply ran away with our money. I am currently trying to figure out how to best attack this from a legal perspective.

If you are interested in taking any action, you can easily find plenty information about Mint Autumn LLC as a company by googling something like "Mint Autumn LLC" and checking out his business license and registered information.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: wagonet on Sun, 01 August 2021, 22:43:36
Someone mentioned Mech27 and I wanted to recall what that was all about, ran across this:

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Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 02 August 2021, 08:00:05
Someone mentioned Mech27 and I wanted to recall what that was all about, ran across this:

(Attachment Link)

Guess it's time for Jaxx to run some BBQ fundraisers.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: bisoromi on Mon, 02 August 2021, 08:59:53
Let’s goooooo BBQ fundraiser
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: PerforatedBinderPaper on Mon, 02 August 2021, 09:21:12
I can bring the groceries
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Vadurr on Mon, 02 August 2021, 13:08:26
Sadly giving me Lumina PTSD.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Mon, 02 August 2021, 13:20:29
Let’s goooooo BBQ fundraiser

Im dead lmaooooooo
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solomonshv on Mon, 02 August 2021, 19:17:52
i'll bring a couple of those cotsco gallon jugs of tequila and a boombox.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 02 August 2021, 19:27:16
(https://external-preview.redd.it/RVO-pFsg_XsTT8LjbYoLndYN93K08sF0ZEdsYpiLSPo.jpg?auto=webp&s=c4c979b378fbf6afd37dda4289a811e4d73bf00b)

jaxx and 27 in attempts to fund their gbs
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 02 August 2021, 19:34:04
do you guys honestly really think, at the bottom of your heart, that you could knock out jaxxtastic? i mean look at the ****ing guy. he's ripped as ****. he's so ripped he offered boxing lessons at his local bbq fundraiser, and you think you could take him on? yeah sure, he's not delivering your keyboard, but what the **** do you think you're gonna do about it? dude could wipe the floor and turn your face into an alice layout in five seconds flat. he's gonna flatten you into hamburger meat to fund this group buy. don't even try to **** with the dude, he's buff enough to own his own cnc machine; you really think that some lanky armed orangutan like you could churn out over 100 cnc keyboards on your own? get real. jaxx is ****ing ripped.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Aznguyen316 on Mon, 02 August 2021, 22:01:25
I'm in this GB and GSKT-00 haha **** me right
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Tue, 03 August 2021, 10:13:42
So still no update. But at lest when I stop by here I alway have a good read
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Tue, 03 August 2021, 14:58:19
https://imgur.com/bjMrrCC.mp4

This thread right now
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ghghop on Tue, 03 August 2021, 15:11:03
oh yea speaking of other alice layouts, someone linked the Samice IC in this thread. I actually joined it last month and it arrived two days ago. I'm typing on it right now. I had lubed mauves and gmk taro that I had reserved for my rukia build... but since that's not here yet I decided to just put those on Samice. I absolutely love the board it sounds amazing and the mirror polished stainless steel bottom is very very nice. Also the fact that it delivered in one month was simply amazing. I don't know what I'm going to do with Rukia when (if) it comes. I now already have a PC alice layout board that I love.
My PC M0lly also go delayed another 2 months so I ended up finding a PC Majaphit on r/mm. Same situation where I had everything for the Rukia picked out and decided to throw it in the Maja and I am loving it. If it ever comes I will just make the decision on which one to sell to recoup the costs.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: treeleaf64 on Thu, 05 August 2021, 00:02:03
Looks like people are yearning for a polycarbonate ergonomic keyboard.

The swift chancellor, flex the white gold tarantula
Track truck diesel, play the weed God substantiala
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kronograf on Thu, 05 August 2021, 09:16:25
Looks like people are yearning for a polycarbonate ergonomic keyboard.

The swift chancellor, flex the white gold tarantula
Track truck diesel, play the weed God substantiala


for gods’ sake someone please remove internet access from this literal child
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kronograf on Thu, 05 August 2021, 09:38:51
on a more relevant note to this thread, i give up

we haven’t had an update in a month now, and close to a year and a half with zero pictures and nothing but cryptic half-excuses, so i guess the inevitable conclusion is that the boards literally do not exist in any form close to a finished product the NSA is barring civilians from having access to the weapons grade awesomeness that is the Rukia
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: SpinningHook on Thu, 05 August 2021, 11:17:28
Looks like people are yearning for a polycarbonate ergonomic keyboard.

The swift chancellor, flex the white gold tarantula
Track truck diesel, play the weed God substantiala


for gods’ sake someone please remove internet access from this literal child

It is appropriate of little, but still deserves some respect as that last part contains Wu Tang lyrics.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: treeleaf64 on Thu, 05 August 2021, 11:17:31
Looks like people are yearning for a polycarbonate ergonomic keyboard.

The swift chancellor, flex the white gold tarantula
Track truck diesel, play the weed God substantiala


for gods’ sake someone please remove internet access from this literal child



It is appropriate of little, but still deserves some respect as that last part contains Wu Tang lyrics.


Did you know I am not a child. Please do not be mean to me

Yes, Escape from the dragons lair In particular my beats travel like a vortex Through your spine to the top of your cerebral cortex

Sorry  the thread was boring me. I didn't know what else to write. It's only "We all hate jaxxstatic"


I am sorry for making you angry : (
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Thu, 05 August 2021, 12:28:01
this board better be ****in sick when I get it
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: happycamper87 on Thu, 05 August 2021, 15:35:45
Kindly allow me to inject some optimism into this thread.
Really hyped for this board. Hoping to score some extras!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: keyboardkrill on Thu, 05 August 2021, 16:42:56
Show Image
(https://external-preview.redd.it/RVO-pFsg_XsTT8LjbYoLndYN93K08sF0ZEdsYpiLSPo.jpg?auto=webp&s=c4c979b378fbf6afd37dda4289a811e4d73bf00b)


jaxx and 27 in attempts to fund their gbs

I almost died from laughter. Thank you.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: MossG1 on Thu, 05 August 2021, 21:54:19
not bad
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: of_sam on Sun, 08 August 2021, 21:47:35
Looks like people are yearning for a polycarbonate ergonomic keyboard.

The swift chancellor, flex the white gold tarantula
Track truck diesel, play the weed God substantiala


for gods’ sake someone please remove internet access from this literal child



It is appropriate of little, but still deserves some respect as that last part contains Wu Tang lyrics.


Did you know I am not a child. Please do not be mean to me

Yes, Escape from the dragons lair In particular my beats travel like a vortex Through your spine to the top of your cerebral cortex

Sorry  the thread was boring me. I didn't know what else to write. It's only "We all hate jaxxstatic"


I am sorry for making you angry : (


Thank you for your injection of positivity treeleaf. I for one am feeling very hollow.

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: vanda on Sun, 08 August 2021, 21:56:25
alice forevery best
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rawcco on Mon, 09 August 2021, 10:14:00
Rest in pepperonis, my moneys
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: rmendis on Mon, 09 August 2021, 15:16:38
Smh... I don't have anything to add besides I'm sorry for adding my bad luck to this GB. I've been part of the Model F as well as the Mech27. In the future, please don't buy the things I buy. Seriously though, I hope this goes better than it has been.

I am in this GB and the Lyra, so not far behind you, lol.  ^-^

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: yhehdgjs on Mon, 09 August 2021, 20:19:40
Not happening this year :p
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Tue, 10 August 2021, 10:06:21
Any good group buys coming up?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Tue, 10 August 2021, 11:24:55
Any good group buys coming up?

Switch couture doing alu Alice in some sweet colors
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ghghop on Tue, 10 August 2021, 17:05:10
Any good group buys coming up?
The Yeti is running right now. The form is a little different but still a PC Alice.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Tue, 10 August 2021, 20:22:50
So…. What’s going on with the GB now? Jaxx just went completely dark?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: yhehdgjs on Tue, 10 August 2021, 21:04:04
Just go and get Yeti or Bear65. This not happening this year.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Tue, 10 August 2021, 21:16:09
Just go and get Yeti or Bear65. This not happening this year.

yeti also has an "idk china is locked down" delivery date :/ and I'm having a tough time finding a buy for the bear65, idk if I'm dumb or what
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Havattack on Tue, 10 August 2021, 21:47:15
Not surprising,  Jaxxy is such a whiny tool. 
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: themedia on Wed, 11 August 2021, 00:18:18
Just go and get Yeti or Bear65. This not happening this year.



yeti also has an "idk china is locked down" delivery date :/ and I'm having a tough time finding a buy for the bear65, idk if I'm dumb or what

the bear65 already ran last year and is currently shipping out the remaining colors. think there was a problem with the blue ano so they're redoing it.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Scriba on Wed, 11 August 2021, 04:09:24
Just go and get Yeti or Bear65. This not happening this year.



yeti also has an "idk china is locked down" delivery date :/ and I'm having a tough time finding a buy for the bear65, idk if I'm dumb or what

the bear65 already ran last year and is currently shipping out the remaining colors. think there was a problem with the blue ano so they're redoing it.

I'd go with nasu, an alice board with leaf spring plate.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: yhehdgjs on Wed, 11 August 2021, 05:25:04
Just go and get Yeti or Bear65. This not happening this year.

yeti also has an "idk china is locked down" delivery date :/ and I'm having a tough time finding a buy for the bear65, idk if I'm dumb or what

Is Bear65 hard to find? I saw plenty of out there, since the delivery started, and saw 2 this week and I got one for myself.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 11 August 2021, 12:12:14
GSKT-00 got an update. Jaxx?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: keebsnglass on Wed, 11 August 2021, 14:25:47
Been lurking since the beginning (yes, am in the GB. yes, first post). Nothing useful to add, just here venting. I've been fine waiting, but at two months since the last "non-update" update, and no evidence of boards in sight, it's truly looking like the dude is ghosting the GB.. Have emailed a few times over the past couple of months with no reply. I get struggling to fulfill a GB, especially with everything that's happened over the past year, but c'mon. Totally ghosting everyone is super messed up. Like I said, would happily wait patiently with some transparency; not hurting to get my money back, and would prefer the board, but it seems like he's just going to walk away with a free CNC... If he even bought a CNC, who the hell knows with this guy.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Sennhou on Wed, 11 August 2021, 16:19:16
What really was the plan here? Why was there only 150 boards ordered in the first place?
Was his plan from the beginning to use the funds to get a CNC machine and just sneak in the rest of the boards?

Honestly, the whole thing is just kinda sketch. I want to believe but with the way this GB has gone, I doubt anything will happen.
Maybe we'll get an actual update when we reach the anniversary of the delivery date.

I usually lurk but this has just been too frustrating to not voice an opinion.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 11 August 2021, 16:23:26
Quote
Was his plan from the beginning to use the funds to get a CNC machine and just sneak in the rest of the boards?

My guess is that he used some of the proceeds to purchase a CNC machine and maybe his plan was to make the boards himself so he can walkaway with fulfilling the GB while also getting a CNC machine out of it. I believe that he said that he quit his job to go full-time for this. Maybe something went wrong with his CNC plans so he now doesn't have the funds to fulfill.

Weirdly, that's exactly what happened with Woodkeys. Took customer money to buy a CNC machine that ended up breaking down.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: cutemelon on Wed, 11 August 2021, 16:25:55
What really was the plan here? Why was there only 150 boards ordered in the first place?
Was his plan from the beginning to use the funds to get a CNC machine and just sneak in the rest of the boards?

Honestly, the whole thing is just kinda sketch. I want to believe but with the way this GB has gone, I doubt anything will happen.
Maybe we'll get an actual update when we reach the anniversary of the delivery date.

I usually lurk but this has just been too frustrating to not voice an opinion.

In the same boat as you as I'm sure many others. Definitely frustrating, and I'm wondering what it'll take before we get some sort of update.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alspdx on Wed, 11 August 2021, 16:31:56
Just go and get Yeti or Bear65. This not happening this year.



yeti also has an "idk china is locked down" delivery date :/ and I'm having a tough time finding a buy for the bear65, idk if I'm dumb or what

the bear65 already ran last year and is currently shipping out the remaining colors. think there was a problem with the blue ano so they're redoing it.

I'd go with nasu, an alice board with leaf spring plate.

I was interested in that one for a while but I feel like some red flags already starting to show in the IC thread. Also felt risky to drop that kind of cash on a keyboard without any decent sound tests, especially when the designer straight-up ignored multiple requests for them — no response, not even "no", like the question was never asked, while actively responding to several other questions.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Katlicious on Wed, 11 August 2021, 16:39:00
omg this looks so good
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 11 August 2021, 16:46:59
omg this looks so good

Wait until you read the rest of the posts.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: crazyboy1023 on Wed, 11 August 2021, 21:27:53
Jaxx responded to me on July 18, agreeing to give me a refund; however, he asked for a few days to move funds around. He has yet to give me a refund and respond to my NUMEROUS messages asking for my refund again.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ahngel on Wed, 11 August 2021, 21:32:16
look: for several hours now I have been told from credible sources the reason rukia has been delayed. however due to the importance and sensitivity around the subject I have refrained from going on it. i don't feel comfortable with it currently
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: crazyboy1023 on Wed, 11 August 2021, 21:35:12
look: for several hours now I have been told from credible sources the reason rukia has been delayed. however due to the importance and sensitivity around the subject I have refrained from going on it. i don't feel comfortable with it currently

You should definitely say something if you know anything. theres obviously a lack of information and trust in the whole process right now
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 11 August 2021, 21:42:50
look: for several hours now I have been told from credible sources the reason rukia has been delayed. however due to the importance and sensitivity around the subject I have refrained from going on it. i don't feel comfortable with it currently

You should definitely say something if you know anything. theres obviously a lack of information and trust in the whole process right now

He's joking. It's something someone said in the GSKT-00 thread.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Scriba on Thu, 12 August 2021, 02:53:54
Just go and get Yeti or Bear65. This not happening this year.



yeti also has an "idk china is locked down" delivery date :/ and I'm having a tough time finding a buy for the bear65, idk if I'm dumb or what

the bear65 already ran last year and is currently shipping out the remaining colors. think there was a problem with the blue ano so they're redoing it.

I'd go with nasu, an alice board with leaf spring plate.

I was interested in that one for a while but I feel like some red flags already starting to show in the IC thread. Also felt risky to drop that kind of cash on a keyboard without any decent sound tests, especially when the designer straight-up ignored multiple requests for them — no response, not even "no", like the question was never asked, while actively responding to several other questions.

There are several sound tests of the prototype, even on youtube. The communication on discord was admittedly much better than on geekhack, he usually answered questions promptly.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Will_I_am344 on Thu, 12 August 2021, 07:14:02
I was wondering why this ugly board continued to pop up as on the front page.

Like I guess some people might like it but it can't be this good.

So I finally read the entire thread, damn it was kind of entertaining to read.

I guess that's what you get for trusting no-names with ugly designs.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ensaum on Thu, 12 August 2021, 09:59:01
I was wondering why this ugly board continued to pop up as on the front page.

Like I guess some people might like it but it can't be this good.

So I finally read the entire thread, damn it was kind of entertaining to read.

I guess that's what you get for trusting no-names with ugly designs.

(https://c.tenor.com/UL9cP46DSzAAAAAM/popcorn-eating-popcorn.gif)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Thu, 12 August 2021, 13:40:30
Memes aside, I wonder if Jaxx still has that ice cream machine he bought a while ago to treat himself in his shop while working on Rukias. Maybe that ice cream machine has seen more results lol.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: CaravanOfPikies on Fri, 13 August 2021, 09:00:45
Memes aside, I wonder if Jaxx still has that ice cream machine he bought a while ago to treat himself in his shop while working on Rukias. Maybe that ice cream machine has seen more results lol.

Probably has a lower failure rate than Rukia.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Fri, 13 August 2021, 09:52:37
Memes aside, I wonder if Jaxx still has that ice cream machine he bought a while ago to treat himself in his shop while working on Rukias. Maybe that ice cream machine has seen more results lol.

Probably has a lower failure rate than Rukia.

McDonald’s is suing their ice cream machine provider. Maybe Jaxx can hop on the train and get the funds to finish these boards :)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Fri, 13 August 2021, 11:06:36
Memes aside, I wonder if Jaxx still has that ice cream machine he bought a while ago to treat himself in his shop while working on Rukias. Maybe that ice cream machine has seen more results lol.

Probably has a lower failure rate than Rukia.

McDonald’s is suing their ice cream machine provider. Maybe Jaxx can hop on the train and get the funds to finish these boards :)

SCIF flavor. yum
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Fri, 13 August 2021, 20:40:35
Smoked PC Alice @ https://h40.io/products/amano-alice-case - Only a few left if anyone's interested
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ZyBeR on Sat, 14 August 2021, 00:52:26
In the same boat as you as I'm sure many others. Definitely frustrating, and I'm wondering what it'll take before we get some sort of update.

Legal action.


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Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ghghop on Sat, 14 August 2021, 11:47:59
I was wondering why this ugly board continued to pop up as on the front page.

Like I guess some people might like it but it can't be this good.

So I finally read the entire thread, damn it was kind of entertaining to read.

I guess that's what you get for trusting no-names with ugly designs.
Why post in a GB thread that you didn't join about how you don't like the design? What was there to gain from this comment?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 14 August 2021, 16:42:53
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Just saying......
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Mon, 16 August 2021, 14:24:39
65 days without an update from Jaxx
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: keebsnglass on Mon, 16 August 2021, 14:52:37
If a class action is open, how many of you will join?

This right here... Sounding like a pretty good option to me at this point, given the complete lack of transparency.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: TonyPia on Tue, 17 August 2021, 17:42:05
If a class action is open, how many of you will join?

This right here... Sounding like a pretty good option to me at this point, given the complete lack of transparency.

I'm in and I believe there will be many once that happens.
I just don't know what it costs.
How about IC for class act?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: bananathock on Wed, 18 August 2021, 00:49:07
omg this looks so good

Wait until you read the rest of the posts.

i think he is talking about the drama. i do agree. the drama looks so good.  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: crazyboy1023 on Thu, 19 August 2021, 09:51:19
https://imgur.com/bjMrrCC.mp4

This thread right now


Gondo, it seems that you are the only one who can "successfully" reach Jaxx. Can you please talk to him and try to get another update?? This situation is absolutely ridiculous. I'm trying to get a refund, WHICH JAXX AGREED TO ON JULY 18; however, he has ghosted me now
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Thu, 19 August 2021, 10:02:30
When did we get ice cream?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: clankgy1 on Thu, 19 August 2021, 11:28:57
If a class action is open, how many of you will join?

This right here... Sounding like a pretty good option to me at this point, given the complete lack of transparency.

I'm in and I believe there will be many once that happens.
I just don't know what it costs.
How about IC for class act?

While legal class-action would be great, I'm guessing it is not a realistic option due to cost in the state it would need to be filed in (which I wont discuss due to doxxing concerns).  Not sure how many units of Rukia R2 were sold, but if the number was 200, the total project run would only be $80K-$100K.  Small potatoes for legal action Im guessing.  Having said that, I might decide to pursue this in small claims court individually.

While I am resigned to the fact that I threw away cash on this project, I am past the anger phase and I just hope that Jaxx suffers the loss of reputation in the enthusiast community he deserves. As a thief/swindler, I hope he is never given a chance to run another group buy either as himself or via sock puppet account.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jayiskuhl on Thu, 19 August 2021, 13:59:43
Any updates Gondo? You are our only ray of hope in this ****ed up situation.

Jaxx clearly doesn't care or is just straight up a thief.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Thu, 19 August 2021, 14:09:50
Any updates Gondo? You are our only ray of hope in this ****ed up situation.

Jaxx clearly doesn't care or is just straight up a thief.

Last I checked with Jaxx he's still on the process of manufacturing PCB prototypes.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: keebsnglass on Thu, 19 August 2021, 15:34:56
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doxxing concerns

TBF, registering your business to an apartment is kinda asking for it to get out there. Anyway, as far as the value of a case to a law firm, you're probably right. But I've got some calls out to friends, so we will see. I'd rather the legal fees take most of the money and get back a little then let him walk away with it all.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jayiskuhl on Thu, 19 August 2021, 15:49:18
Any updates Gondo? You are our only ray of hope in this ****ed up situation.

Jaxx clearly doesn't care or is just straight up a thief.

Last I checked with Jaxx he's still on the process of manufacturing PCB prototypes.

Thank you for the information!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 19 August 2021, 17:58:52
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doxxing concerns

TBF, registering your business to an apartment is kinda asking for it to get out there. Anyway, as far as the value of a case to a law firm, you're probably right. But I've got some calls out to friends, so we will see. I'd rather the legal fees take most of the money and get back a little then let him walk away with it all.

1. What are the chances Jaxx as any money to recover from? Slim.

2. If you initiate a lawsuit, you're going to end up spending money to recover probably little to nothing.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: clankgy1 on Thu, 19 August 2021, 18:33:26
Quote
doxxing concerns

TBF, registering your business to an apartment is kinda asking for it to get out there. Anyway, as far as the value of a case to a law firm, you're probably right. But I've got some calls out to friends, so we will see. I'd rather the legal fees take most of the money and get back a little then let him walk away with it all.

1. What are the chances Jaxx as any money to recover from? Slim.

2. If you initiate a lawsuit, you're going to end up spending money to recover probably little to nothing.

LOL I dicnt realize that the address I was given as part of the order was an apartment,  Can't say I'm surprised about anything having to do with this group buy at this point though.

The two related points you make are spot on.  But I would say that getting money back would be the least of my goals for wanting to see some legal action here.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 20 August 2021, 09:02:43
I wonder if Jaxx just doesn't have a severe case of brain freeze from eating too much ice cream? Like maybe he's just stuck sitting there in front of the CNC all froze up & will get back to making our boards when it subsides.  I know I would be crushing some ice cream if I had a fancy machine like he does.....
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Fri, 20 August 2021, 18:52:58
Has anyone been successful in getting a refund or following through with a chargeback after all this time? At this point I'll even just take an ice cream cone to not feel like I got completely scammed by a thief
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: bananathock on Fri, 20 August 2021, 22:26:26
" hello jaxx. i wonder if you might remember me. i am one of your supporters in the rukia r2 project. I got into rukia knowing that it will be a great project but it has come to my attention that i would like to pull out of it.

i've bought rukia r2 and paid via paypal with an amount 482.00 usd and additional champagne top for 100ish usd. i humbly ask that i would like to be refunded of the amounts paid in paypal in full. you can have the 100ish usd for the champagne top as a symbol and token of support.

thank you.

I know its been late to tell you this, but I stood by and tried to support the project as long as I can.. but covid is playing a part of me needing money as well. I hope you understand."

- this is what i sent to jaxx. i hope a little compassion goes a long way. he ignored me and ghosted me.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: bananathock on Fri, 20 August 2021, 22:41:19
Jaxx is a better ghost than Patrick Swayze. I am Demi Moore, Jaxx is patrick swayze and the pottery is rukia r2.

Here's a video accompaniment so that you can fully feel the heartache:

you see in this video.. patrick swayze is moving the penny with his fingers.. that is the update jaxx is promising us. you see me, as demi moore, crying with tease of an update and by the end.. i can see patrick swayze leaving to heaven.. demi moore (as me again) crying, with the realization that i cannot meet the jaxx.. accepting the fate that he has "ghosted". 


Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Fri, 20 August 2021, 23:11:30
I think the dude uninstalled discord
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Fri, 20 August 2021, 23:19:38
I think the dude uninstalled discord

uninstalls discord, checks it in the browser every 15 minutes
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kronograf on Sat, 21 August 2021, 09:25:55
maybe he got ran over by a car
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Tree_ on Sat, 21 August 2021, 21:08:53
maybe he got ran over by a car

Maybe Jaxx is worth it, maybe he's Maybelline.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dyrdevil on Sun, 22 August 2021, 14:38:26
Hi everyone.

I want updates as much as the next person, but I just want to be a voice of caution in the conversation regarding taking legal action.

I know times are hard with the pandemic, but it seems that a lot of people have requested refunds etc and have already been granted them (this is very, very rare in a Groupbuy).   I know nothing about Jaxx's situation but requesting and expecting more refunds is presumably not helping the situation. 

It’s been about a year and half since the buy. Not long in my opinion compared to most group buys.  I’m not defending the lack of communication here but just encouraging people who may not be used to this type of timeframe and purchase anxiety.

I’m not a lawyer, but my own knowledge regarding groupbuys has always been that I’m giving money to an anonymous person on blind faith and might never see anything for it.

If we never get the boards I will be as angry and jaded as anyone, but for now we have heard approximately what is happening at this point from Gondo, so I’m not sure why people are eager to start dealing with lawyers and courts.    I encourage everyone to remain hopeful and take a breath - I am still waiting on boards that I purchased years ago!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: clankgy1 on Sun, 22 August 2021, 16:37:18
I’m not sure why people are eager to start dealing with lawyers and courts.

Well, it could be:


You are correct in stating that group buys are inherently risky, and the past 18 months have been especially challenging.  I was involved in JULES, which was a GB which resulted in a borked end product, but comm was good.  I didnt like the result, but I felt like the I understood the issue and the reason for the chosen mitigation.  RUKIA has been one excuse after another, with minimal comm.  And that comm only happened because the PCB partner/sub didn't want their name sunk along with Jaxx's.

So yeah, people who purchased Rukia can certainly continue to act like mushrooms (stay in the dark and be fed ****), or they can begin to explore options.  I don't believe continued silence is golden in this case.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Sun, 22 August 2021, 22:07:57
Hi everyone.

I want updates as much as the next person, but I just want to be a voice of caution in the conversation regarding taking legal action.

I know times are hard with the pandemic, but it seems that a lot of people have requested refunds etc and have already been granted them (this is very, very rare in a Groupbuy).   I know nothing about Jaxx's situation but requesting and expecting more refunds is presumably not helping the situation. 

It’s been about a year and half since the buy. Not long in my opinion compared to most group buys.  I’m not defending the lack of communication here but just encouraging people who may not be used to this type of timeframe and purchase anxiety.

I’m not a lawyer, but my own knowledge regarding groupbuys has always been that I’m giving money to an anonymous person on blind faith and might never see anything for it.

If we never get the boards I will be as angry and jaded as anyone, but for now we have heard approximately what is happening at this point from Gondo, so I’m not sure why people are eager to start dealing with lawyers and courts.    I encourage everyone to remain hopeful and take a breath - I am still waiting on boards that I purchased years ago!

yah bug off. a few alleged messages to random people does not excuse 70 days without one ****ing public update. This **** is ridiculous.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Aznguyen316 on Sun, 22 August 2021, 22:11:35
Mod was able to push Weaston to provide an update good or bad on GSKT-00. Maybe we can get a mod to force an update from Jaxx. Would be nice to hear something.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ghghop on Mon, 23 August 2021, 10:05:25
Hi everyone.

I want updates as much as the next person, but I just want to be a voice of caution in the conversation regarding taking legal action.

I know times are hard with the pandemic, but it seems that a lot of people have requested refunds etc and have already been granted them (this is very, very rare in a Groupbuy).   I know nothing about Jaxx's situation but requesting and expecting more refunds is presumably not helping the situation. 

It’s been about a year and half since the buy. Not long in my opinion compared to most group buys.  I’m not defending the lack of communication here but just encouraging people who may not be used to this type of timeframe and purchase anxiety.

I’m not a lawyer, but my own knowledge regarding groupbuys has always been that I’m giving money to an anonymous person on blind faith and might never see anything for it.

If we never get the boards I will be as angry and jaded as anyone, but for now we have heard approximately what is happening at this point from Gondo, so I’m not sure why people are eager to start dealing with lawyers and courts.    I encourage everyone to remain hopeful and take a breath - I am still waiting on boards that I purchased years ago!

The main issues with possibly bringing in legal action is if there was any semblance of a chance that the GB finishes it would be obliterated by the legal clusterf***.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alspdx on Mon, 23 August 2021, 11:41:42
Mod was able to push Weaston to provide an update good or bad on GSKT-00. Maybe we can get a mod to force an update from Jaxx. Would be nice to hear something.

I wonder if/how that would work if Jaxx is avoiding Geekhack. According to his profile it's been a month since he's logged in.
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Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solomonshv on Mon, 23 August 2021, 21:30:01
Mod was able to push Weaston to provide an update good or bad on GSKT-00. Maybe we can get a mod to force an update from Jaxx. Would be nice to hear something.

I wonder if/how that would work if Jaxx is avoiding Geekhack. According to his profile it's been a month since he's logged in.
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he is definitely here reading all this. probably just not logging in anymore
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: bananathock on Tue, 24 August 2021, 00:27:31
maybe he got ran over by a car

Perhaps the ice cream from the maker was soo good (since it didnt come out from his pocket), the flavors sent him straight to heaven
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Afteryou on Tue, 24 August 2021, 02:06:42
 :confused: :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Tsumi on Tue, 24 August 2021, 08:00:03
Hi everyone.

I want updates as much as the next person, but I just want to be a voice of caution in the conversation regarding taking legal action.

I know times are hard with the pandemic, but it seems that a lot of people have requested refunds etc and have already been granted them (this is very, very rare in a Groupbuy).   I know nothing about Jaxx's situation but requesting and expecting more refunds is presumably not helping the situation. 

It’s been about a year and half since the buy. Not long in my opinion compared to most group buys.  I’m not defending the lack of communication here but just encouraging people who may not be used to this type of timeframe and purchase anxiety.

I’m not a lawyer, but my own knowledge regarding groupbuys has always been that I’m giving money to an anonymous person on blind faith and might never see anything for it.

If we never get the boards I will be as angry and jaded as anyone, but for now we have heard approximately what is happening at this point from Gondo, so I’m not sure why people are eager to start dealing with lawyers and courts.    I encourage everyone to remain hopeful and take a breath - I am still waiting on boards that I purchased years ago!

The main issues with possibly bringing in legal action is if there was any semblance of a chance that the GB finishes it would be obliterated by the legal clusterf***.
Wait... you think there's even a chance that this ends up fulfilling?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: TypicalOranges on Tue, 24 August 2021, 10:54:17
I know where he is

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Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: cutemelon on Wed, 25 August 2021, 20:05:19
Surprised this hasn't been posted on Reddit yet.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kajahtaa on Wed, 25 August 2021, 20:48:26
There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Wed, 25 August 2021, 21:02:58
No amount of money would fix fundamental communication issues. If anything, posting to Reddit would be a PSA to try and avoid purchasing from “runners” and try to purchase boards through reputable companies / encourage board creators to partner with said companies.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Wed, 25 August 2021, 21:13:03
There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

I disagree. If you are up for paying extra, get a board on the aftermarket which you are guaranteed to obtain.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 25 August 2021, 23:22:23
There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

Given that all the facts point to some level of fraud, I don't think giving him more money is the answer.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: _rubik on Thu, 26 August 2021, 12:48:53
Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

More money == more ice cream. Seems like a good deal to me
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jbrandona119 on Thu, 26 August 2021, 17:25:41
Surprised this hasn't been posted on Reddit yet.

It was! Sort of. Someone made a funny AMV style video a few months ago with all the details, some video game thing. I’m no weeb so idk what it was and I can’t find it but it made its rounds on Reddit and keeb discord servers etc. Probably in one of the previous pages.

Just found my PayPal receipt emails from May 5, 2020. Fun fact: according to an inflation calculator on the Internet, my purchase of a rukia and aluminum top for $611 in 2020 is the equivalent of $644 today.

Anyone ever figure out the mystery folks that apparently had their orders shipped to them without PCBs or was that just a total fabrication? Why even lie about that though…
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 26 August 2021, 18:58:13
There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

this take is dangerous and bad, and a part of why GBs end up like this in the first place
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Fri, 27 August 2021, 18:33:57
There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

Are you actually dumb? If it really is a case of the board runner exhausting funds because he waited until a year later to order PCBs and other nonsense, that's our fault?

And instead of complaining, I guess we'll all just shut up and let our money get stolen while the board runner ignores everyone and makes icecream for himself?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jtangjt on Sat, 28 August 2021, 02:11:48
Hey jaxx, any updates? It's been over 2 months since you said "PCBs incoming" on discord. Surely it doesn't take that long to get proto PCBs ordered and delivered and tested. Do the fitment issues still persist?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: notquant on Sat, 28 August 2021, 15:02:43
I love checking in on this dumpster fire every once in a while.  :p
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: hammerbrotha on Sat, 28 August 2021, 19:25:00
Surprised this hasn't been posted on Reddit yet.

It was! Sort of. Someone made a funny AMV style video a few months ago with all the details, some video game thing. I’m no weeb so idk what it was and I can’t find it but it made its rounds on Reddit and keeb discord servers etc. Probably in one of the previous pages.

Just found my PayPal receipt emails from May 5, 2020. Fun fact: according to an inflation calculator on the Internet, my purchase of a rukia and aluminum top for $611 in 2020 is the equivalent of $644 today.

Anyone ever figure out the mystery folks that apparently had their orders shipped to them without PCBs or was that just a total fabrication? Why even lie about that though…

Here's a link to the reddit thread I think you're referring to.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/myn9e8/latest_rukia_r2_update/
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kajahtaa on Sun, 29 August 2021, 11:08:14
Nobody stole money. You're an investor in ice cream.

 Ode to Ice Cream.... a poetic lamentation of stalled Group Buys

There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

Are you actually dumb? If it really is a case of the board runner exhausting funds because he waited until a year later to order PCBs and other nonsense, that's our fault?

And instead of complaining, I guess we'll all just shut up and let our money get stolen while the board runner ignores everyone and makes icecream for himself?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Sun, 29 August 2021, 20:01:56
There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

I disagree. If you are up for paying extra, get a board on the aftermarket which you are guaranteed to obtain.

Gondo, you got anything to share with regards to the status of this ****ed up situation? Or is it status quo?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thanatic on Sun, 29 August 2021, 21:46:25
Nobody stole money. You're an investor in ice cream.

 Ode to Ice Cream.... a poetic lamentation of stalled Group Buys

There's no point complaining.

Boards need to be more expensive so runners don't exhaust funds.

Are you actually dumb? If it really is a case of the board runner exhausting funds because he waited until a year later to order PCBs and other nonsense, that's our fault?

And instead of complaining, I guess we'll all just shut up and let our money get stolen while the board runner ignores everyone and makes icecream for himself?

Did I miss something where is this ice cream machine? Was it in the Jaxx update video?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: PeppyToad on Mon, 30 August 2021, 06:27:12
Call the roller of big keyboards,
The muscular one, and bid him mill
In machine shops concupiscent curves.
Let the wenches dawdle in alu tops
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring alices from last month's group buys.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

Take from the dresser of deal,
Lacking the three encoder knobs, that sheet
On which she embroidered LEDs once
And spread it so as to cover her face.
If her case bottoms protrude, they come
To show how cold she is, and dumb.
Let the lamp affix its beam.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: hyppialonso on Mon, 30 August 2021, 09:35:36
I have not joined this group buy, just to make sure this thread is up such that you poor guys are not forgotten
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: LiTurk on Mon, 30 August 2021, 17:13:39
Well the keyboard was fun but i think im done rukia fail, CRP C64 fail, UkiyoKeys fail. The keyboard hobby is out dated. $700 lost in two years, I'm out Have fun guys.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NDL00Z on Mon, 30 August 2021, 17:47:04
(https://i.imgur.com/Vu320AO.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ghghop on Mon, 30 August 2021, 20:20:47
Maybe if we make it to the 5 year mark we can have a Rukia Participant reunion.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kajahtaa on Mon, 30 August 2021, 23:50:56
Beautiful.  I'm touched. Much better than that ketchup hack.

Call the roller of big keyboards,
The muscular one, and bid him mill
In machine shops concupiscent curves.
Let the wenches dawdle in alu tops
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring alices from last month's group buys.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

Take from the dresser of deal,
Lacking the three encoder knobs, that sheet
On which she embroidered LEDs once
And spread it so as to cover her face.
If her case bottoms protrude, they come
To show how cold she is, and dumb.
Let the lamp affix its beam.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 31 August 2021, 10:02:51
Beautiful.  I'm touched. Much better than that ketchup hack.

Call the roller of big keyboards,
The muscular one, and bid him mill
In machine shops concupiscent curves.
Let the wenches dawdle in alu tops
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring alices from last month's group buys.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

Take from the dresser of deal,
Lacking the three encoder knobs, that sheet
On which she embroidered LEDs once
And spread it so as to cover her face.
If her case bottoms protrude, they come
To show how cold she is, and dumb.
Let the lamp affix its beam.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

how dare u
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kraize on Tue, 31 August 2021, 16:36:45
Y'all big dumb dumb. GBs are NEVER a guarantee of delivery. If you want a guarantee that you will receive a product, stick to in-stock buys. You're basically kickstarting a project because the vendor refuses to put their own money upfront or does not have the amount to. Y'all are literally throwing money without any proof. This is a peer "moderated" marketplace where vendors rely on established reputation from previous deliveries. STOP encouraging this **** and advocate for stores to do more in-stock products.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Tue, 31 August 2021, 16:55:46
Y'all big dumb dumb. GBs are NEVER a guarantee of delivery. If you want a guarantee that you will receive a product, stick to in-stock buys. You're basically kickstarting a project because the vendor refuses to put their own money upfront or does not have the amount to. Y'all are literally throwing money without any proof. This is a peer "moderated" marketplace where vendors rely on established reputation from previous deliveries. STOP encouraging this **** and advocate for stores to do more in-stock products.

thank you for the irrelevant info that everyone already knows
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kajahtaa on Tue, 31 August 2021, 17:10:49
Last comment I promise.

I continue to believe Jaxx is a good person and wants to deliver.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 31 August 2021, 17:32:31

Y'all big dumb dumb. GBs are NEVER a guarantee of delivery. If you want a guarantee that you will receive a product, stick to in-stock buys. You're basically kickstarting a project because the vendor refuses to put their own money upfront or does not have the amount to. Y'all are literally throwing money without any proof. This is a peer "moderated" marketplace where vendors rely on established reputation from previous deliveries. STOP encouraging this **** and advocate for stores to do more in-stock products.

thank you for the irrelevant info that everyone already knows

They solved the problem for the entire community! Woah, can't believe we've never thought of that before!!!

Less annoying response: It's more nuanced than just "only shop in-stock products". Plenty of threads around here discussing this. GBs aren't a great system, but we don't have many options that still retain agency/flexibility in the design process

Last comment I promise.

I continue to believe Jaxx is a good person and wants to deliver.

Yeah. If this wasn't intentionally fraud, a huge group of trolls and angry customers could trigger a butt ton of anxiety and fear. I honestly don't blame Jaxx for not chiming in on the thread.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Aevyn on Tue, 31 August 2021, 17:50:17

Y'all big dumb dumb. GBs are NEVER a guarantee of delivery. If you want a guarantee that you will receive a product, stick to in-stock buys. You're basically kickstarting a project because the vendor refuses to put their own money upfront or does not have the amount to. Y'all are literally throwing money without any proof. This is a peer "moderated" marketplace where vendors rely on established reputation from previous deliveries. STOP encouraging this **** and advocate for stores to do more in-stock products.

thank you for the irrelevant info that everyone already knows

They solved the problem for the entire community! Woah, can't believe we've never thought of that before!!!

Less annoying response: It's more nuanced than just "only shop in-stock products". Plenty of threads around here discussing this. GBs aren't a great system, but we don't have many options that still retain agency/flexibility in the design process

Last comment I promise.

I continue to believe Jaxx is a good person and wants to deliver.

Yeah. If this wasn't intentionally fraud, a huge group of trolls and angry customers could trigger a butt ton of anxiety and fear. I honestly don't blame Jaxx for not chiming in on the thread.
Ohh wow. Flexibility is so much more important than actually receiving the product I paid for. Hmm. Would I rather buy a keyboard where it's not the perfect color and cerakote it afterwards? Or would I rather be down $XXX. You say it's more nuanced but offered nothing to add. What customization options are you willing to risk this amount of money for when you can customize later for an additional cost? And don't tell me GBs are more convenient. If you're dumb enough to give someone an interest free loan with no guarantee of a return, then that's on you.

Sent from my GM1915 using Tapatalk
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: cogitoergofemme on Tue, 31 August 2021, 19:37:10

Y'all big dumb dumb. GBs are NEVER a guarantee of delivery. If you want a guarantee that you will receive a product, stick to in-stock buys. You're basically kickstarting a project because the vendor refuses to put their own money upfront or does not have the amount to. Y'all are literally throwing money without any proof. This is a peer "moderated" marketplace where vendors rely on established reputation from previous deliveries. STOP encouraging this **** and advocate for stores to do more in-stock products.

thank you for the irrelevant info that everyone already knows

They solved the problem for the entire community! Woah, can't believe we've never thought of that before!!!

Less annoying response: It's more nuanced than just "only shop in-stock products". Plenty of threads around here discussing this. GBs aren't a great system, but we don't have many options that still retain agency/flexibility in the design process

Last comment I promise.

I continue to believe Jaxx is a good person and wants to deliver.

Yeah. If this wasn't intentionally fraud, a huge group of trolls and angry customers could trigger a butt ton of anxiety and fear. I honestly don't blame Jaxx for not chiming in on the thread.
Ohh wow. Flexibility is so much more important than actually receiving the product I paid for. Hmm. Would I rather buy a keyboard where it's not the perfect color and cerakote it afterwards? Or would I rather be down $XXX. You say it's more nuanced but offered nothing to add. What customization options are you willing to risk this amount of money for when you can customize later for an additional cost? And don't tell me GBs are more convenient. If you're dumb enough to give someone an interest free loan with no guarantee of a return, then that's on you.

Sent from my GM1915 using Tapatalk

Obviously the situation isn't optimal. But personally I'm gonna go out on a limb and say... going onto a website targeted towards group buys, whose history is group buys, and whose future will probably be for what is foreseeable group buys and calling both group buys and those who are participating in them stupid probably ain't it fam.

Edit because my finger slipped and I posted too fast. I don't get what good these bad faith comments even do. Who is the target? The buyers? The community?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ThePanduuh on Tue, 31 August 2021, 19:55:16
(https://streamsentials.com/wp-content/uploads/copium-png.png)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: cutemelon on Thu, 02 September 2021, 19:06:48
This is not cool
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: yhehdgjs on Fri, 03 September 2021, 00:17:36
Think I have to just move on.

I mean, if Jaxx was such a devoted guy and really wants to deliver the GB, he should have been more transparent.

I don't believe his words that it's in the process of fixing things. It's not hard to write few lines to people who are waiting for their keyboards, it's not rocket science to tell us whats currently going on.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: NOLA on Mon, 06 September 2021, 21:28:11
I PM this dude on Discord once or twice a week. He quit responding 07/08. Not a word.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: bananathock on Tue, 07 September 2021, 02:02:54
I PM this dude on Discord once or twice a week. He quit responding 07/08. Not a word.

and on your 69th message just say "nice" .
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Tue, 07 September 2021, 03:00:31
Does anyone know someone who knows this ****ing guy IRL to get some more answers? I thought he was fairly well known in the community before. Obviously going direct to him is no longer going to work. Gondo seems to have been the only proxy that stood up so far.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Wed, 08 September 2021, 17:22:48
FYI since most people in this thread are just sulking and not taking any action, I can confirm that I WAS able to open a dispute on my card for this transaction. Even though it took place back in April 2020, it's merchandise that has not been received, so my bank (and most banks) should allow you to do so.

I'd advise you all to try to do the same.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: finalarcadia on Wed, 08 September 2021, 17:27:29
Except I paid with PayPal balance lol
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: pleasega on Fri, 10 September 2021, 11:33:40
#scammed
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alspdx on Sun, 12 September 2021, 15:21:22
Cool, cool, 3 months since the last “non-“ update.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dottt on Sun, 12 September 2021, 16:29:51
Cool, cool, 3 months since the last “non-“ update.

My credit card company approved the charge back but it could take 2 months to finalize, let’s see what happens first.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: clankgy1 on Mon, 13 September 2021, 13:28:30
I love checking in on this dumpster fire every once in a while.  :p

I do too.  I just wish that I wasn't a participant.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: cutemelon on Mon, 13 September 2021, 21:26:08
the other Alice layout board I joined in July already has sent the group manufacturing updates, photos and videos.

I actually have a decent shot at getting this in Q1 2022. As for my Rukia order. . . looking like a bust.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Diamagisk on Tue, 14 September 2021, 12:38:37
Got my chargeback approved also. Glad to be rid of this cursed GB
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ObsidianRaid on Tue, 14 September 2021, 18:27:50
Got my chargeback approved also. Glad to be rid of this cursed GB

Same here
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alwaysbless on Tue, 14 September 2021, 21:39:33
Damn imagine screwing up this bad with this many peoples funds and not even having the balls to ever give the truth. What a lame a** coward.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: cong314159 on Wed, 15 September 2021, 09:05:58
Got my chargeback approved also. Glad to be rid of this cursed GB

What's a charge back? I want out as well. Could you point me to the right direction?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ZyBeR on Wed, 15 September 2021, 09:49:57
So each kit was $390, with shipping, extra plates, pcbs, tops and what not I think it's safe to assume people on average paid around $430 if not more.

In this post someone says there were around 500 orders in total.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105770.msg3046146#msg3046146

Did this dude just scam 500 people of $215 000 ( Two hundred twenty thousand dollars! ) and is getting away with by just ghosting and people not giving a ****!?


Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: finalarcadia on Wed, 15 September 2021, 09:55:12
SE was 700 so u can add on to that number
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: cong314159 on Wed, 15 September 2021, 10:23:09
So each kit was $390, with shipping, extra plates, pcbs, tops and what not I think it's safe to assume people on average paid around $430 if not more.

In this post someone says there were around 500 orders in total.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105770.msg3046146#msg3046146

Did this dude just scam 500 people of $215 000 ( Two hundred twenty thousand dollars! ) and is getting away with by just ghosting and people not giving a ****!?

No one has the time to organize a lawsuit or actually do something about it. I say this, if anyone wants to do the hardwork, I will give 10% of the money I get back to that person. If we have 100 victims to join me on this, that's a few thousand dollars, maybe someone would want to do this. Any lawyer here?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Visionaire on Wed, 15 September 2021, 12:38:59
FWIW... understand everyone's anger here. Small point to add in... when folks talk about legal action (which could be totally valid), I'd expect any legal representation for Jaxx to advise him to shut his mouth. All things he could say / do when threatened with legal action could be detrimental to him in court. Don't know if this is the case here... but could be part of the silence. Hopefully he's still working on this stuff =/
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ZyBeR on Wed, 15 September 2021, 12:58:19
FWIW... understand everyone's anger here. Small point to add in... when folks talk about legal action (which could be totally valid), I'd expect any legal representation for Jaxx to advise him to shut his mouth. All things he could say / do when threatened with legal action could be detrimental to him in court. Don't know if this is the case here... but could be part of the silence. Hopefully he's still working on this stuff =/

So talking legal action is not a good alternative as it would scare him quiet? I mean how f-cking silent can a guy get?
This dude haven't been seen for months, you seriously think he's still working on the GB?

No one given the state this GB is in can be that stupid to work on it in silence. It's his silence (among other things) that taken us here.
There is a reason he ghosted and it's not good.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ghghop on Wed, 15 September 2021, 14:24:36
FWIW... understand everyone's anger here. Small point to add in... when folks talk about legal action (which could be totally valid), I'd expect any legal representation for Jaxx to advise him to shut his mouth. All things he could say / do when threatened with legal action could be detrimental to him in court. Don't know if this is the case here... but could be part of the silence. Hopefully he's still working on this stuff =/

So talking legal action is not a good alternative as it would scare him quiet? I mean how f-cking silent can a guy get?
This dude haven't been seen for months, you seriously think he's still working on the GB?

No one given the state this GB is in can be that stupid to work on it in silence. It's his silence (among other things) that taken us here.
There is a reason he ghosted and it's not good.

Like he said above, if he has representation now then he is likely being advised to keep quiet. I agree he went dark long before someone mentioned litigation, but I wouldn't be surprised that any possibility of Jaxx talking to us was probably 100% dead after someone brought it up.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Visionaire on Wed, 15 September 2021, 14:29:36
FWIW... understand everyone's anger here. Small point to add in... when folks talk about legal action (which could be totally valid), I'd expect any legal representation for Jaxx to advise him to shut his mouth. All things he could say / do when threatened with legal action could be detrimental to him in court. Don't know if this is the case here... but could be part of the silence. Hopefully he's still working on this stuff =/

So talking legal action is not a good alternative as it would scare him quiet? I mean how f-cking silent can a guy get?
This dude haven't been seen for months, you seriously think he's still working on the GB?

No one given the state this GB is in can be that stupid to work on it in silence. It's his silence (among other things) that taken us here.
There is a reason he ghosted and it's not good.

Like he said above, if he has representation now then he is likely being advised to keep quiet. I agree he went dark long before someone mentioned litigation, but I wouldn't be surprised that any possibility of Jaxx talking to us was probably 100% dead after someone brought it up.

Correct. I don't suggest people alter their behavior. If you want to sue him, do it. Just was playing out in my head what to expect in that scenario and would anticipate silence from his end. 
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 15 September 2021, 14:44:04
So each kit was $390, with shipping, extra plates, pcbs, tops and what not I think it's safe to assume people on average paid around $430 if not more.

In this post someone says there were around 500 orders in total.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105770.msg3046146#msg3046146

Did this dude just scam 500 people of $215 000 ( Two hundred twenty thousand dollars! ) and is getting away with by just ghosting and people not giving a ****!?




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Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Wed, 15 September 2021, 16:29:50
So each kit was $390, with shipping, extra plates, pcbs, tops and what not I think it's safe to assume people on average paid around $430 if not more.

In this post someone says there were around 500 orders in total.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105770.msg3046146#msg3046146

Did this dude just scam 500 people of $215 000 ( Two hundred twenty thousand dollars! ) and is getting away with by just ghosting and people not giving a ****!?




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 :p RIP my $400 some in this GB......
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 15 September 2021, 16:51:10
FWIW... understand everyone's anger here. Small point to add in... when folks talk about legal action (which could be totally valid), I'd expect any legal representation for Jaxx to advise him to shut his mouth. All things he could say / do when threatened with legal action could be detrimental to him in court. Don't know if this is the case here... but could be part of the silence. Hopefully he's still working on this stuff =/

So talking legal action is not a good alternative as it would scare him quiet? I mean how f-cking silent can a guy get?
This dude haven't been seen for months, you seriously think he's still working on the GB?

No one given the state this GB is in can be that stupid to work on it in silence. It's his silence (among other things) that taken us here.
There is a reason he ghosted and it's not good.

Like he said above, if he has representation now then he is likely being advised to keep quiet. I agree he went dark long before someone mentioned litigation, but I wouldn't be surprised that any possibility of Jaxx talking to us was probably 100% dead after someone brought it up.

Lawyer here.

The mention of litigation wouldn't do anything in my opinion to change his behavior. It's not like mentioning the word "litigation" magically does anything.

As a practical matter, no one is going to sue on this, especially if Jaxx is broke. I doubt Jaxx just took the cash and ran away; I suspect he tried to get cute and it blew up in his face.

I understand that Jaxx had a LLC. Assuming he wasn't co-mingling funds and it wasn't straight fraud, but "merely" being really bad at business, that's even more reason not to pursue litigation. Chance of collection is so low.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Sicowa on Wed, 15 September 2021, 17:49:58
its getting spicy in here again.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: hammerbrotha on Wed, 15 September 2021, 22:06:48
Got my chargeback approved also. Glad to be rid of this cursed GB

What's a charge back? I want out as well. Could you point me to the right direction?
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=what+is+a+credit+card+chargeback

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Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kronograf on Thu, 16 September 2021, 02:13:22
happy 2+ month anniversary of jaxx’s last ever update to the $700 out-of-pocket squad

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Sh1zaru on Thu, 16 September 2021, 02:20:50
FWIW... understand everyone's anger here. Small point to add in... when folks talk about legal action (which could be totally valid), I'd expect any legal representation for Jaxx to advise him to shut his mouth. All things he could say / do when threatened with legal action could be detrimental to him in court. Don't know if this is the case here... but could be part of the silence. Hopefully he's still working on this stuff =/

So talking legal action is not a good alternative as it would scare him quiet? I mean how f-cking silent can a guy get?
This dude haven't been seen for months, you seriously think he's still working on the GB?

No one given the state this GB is in can be that stupid to work on it in silence. It's his silence (among other things) that taken us here.
There is a reason he ghosted and it's not good.

Like he said above, if he has representation now then he is likely being advised to keep quiet. I agree he went dark long before someone mentioned litigation, but I wouldn't be surprised that any possibility of Jaxx talking to us was probably 100% dead after someone brought it up.

Lawyer here.

The mention of litigation wouldn't do anything in my opinion to change his behavior. It's not like mentioning the word "litigation" magically does anything.

As a practical matter, no one is going to sue on this, especially if Jaxx is broke. I doubt Jaxx just took the cash and ran away; I suspect he tried to get cute and it blew up in his face.

I understand that Jaxx had a LLC. Assuming he wasn't co-mingling funds and it wasn't straight fraud, but "merely" being really bad at business, that's even more reason not to pursue litigation. Chance of collection is so low.

I doubt the guy is broke as he has a haas vf2ss which he probs bought with the funds of this gb lol
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: lovidore on Thu, 16 September 2021, 03:08:39
Bank told me that chargeback is not possible. Time to write this board off as a loss. Important lesson learned here, I guess.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: architones on Thu, 16 September 2021, 05:47:28
Couldn't get a chargeback on my Rukia either. It was worth a shot I guess.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: bert039 on Thu, 16 September 2021, 10:07:29
Quote
author=Sh1zaru
I doubt the guy is broke as he has a haas vf2ss which he probs bought with the funds of this gb lol

Where/how do you know this?

Title: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: finalarcadia on Thu, 16 September 2021, 10:09:23
I think the only lesson learned here is don't use PayPal credit. Credit cards may let you charge back.

Also a good lesson for scammers everywhere, you can just do whatever u want I guess.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Thu, 16 September 2021, 17:08:31
What are your banks? Chargeback worked fine for me, maybe you're not explaining the situation properly.

Mind blowing that this guy can run away with $200k cash. The old way of robbing banks is weak, just post a Group Buy with a long time horizon, and let a bunch of nerds throw money at you, especially the stupid ones that may even pay you with PayPal. Milk the timeline and fake it with an "NDA" alibi when called out to show some hard proof, then simply lock your own discourse server and ghost. Profit.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Thu, 16 September 2021, 18:38:40
What are your banks? Chargeback worked fine for me, maybe you're not explaining the situation properly.

Mind blowing that this guy can run away with $200k cash. The old way of robbing banks is weak, just post a Group Buy with a long time horizon, and let a bunch of nerds throw money at you, especially the stupid ones that may even pay you with PayPal. Milk the timeline and fake it with an "NDA" alibi when called out to show some hard proof, then simply lock your own discourse server and ghost. Profit.

Even better is if you even had one thing to call out among the numerous super suspicious excuses / blatant proven lies, his army of 'love rukia' simps would come after you lol (RESPECTED COMMUNITY MEMBER JAXX STATIC!!!!)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Thu, 16 September 2021, 23:42:14
Oh yeah, totally forgot how he was somehow able to get all those simps in the Discord to mindlessly and affectionately parrot "I love rukia" EVERY DAY. Where are those cringey f*ckers now that their money has been stolen too? Bet they don't love rukia quite so much anymore, HUH?

This sort of proves that Jaxx was actually a grandmaster at this. These are some next-level thievery tactics. He has all of the makings of being a Cult leader. Who knows, he might start his own sanctuary next with the $200k he ran off with.

But what I really think is he's anonymously reading this thread and laughing at all of us while eating ice cream cones from the machine we gave him.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: SDKCAMPING on Fri, 17 September 2021, 01:21:08
Oh yeah, totally forgot how he was somehow able to get all those simps in the Discord to mindlessly and affectionately parrot "I love rukia" EVERY DAY. Where are those cringey f*ckers now that their money has been stolen too? Bet they don't love rukia quite so much anymore, HUH?

This sort of proves that Jaxx was actually a grandmaster at this. These are some next-level thievery tactics. He has all of the makings of being a Cult leader. Who knows, he might start his own sanctuary next with the $200k he ran off with.

But what I really think is he's anonymously reading this thread and laughing at all of us while eating ice cream cones from the machine we gave him.

grandmaster? every discord will have people saying "this board so lit" "i love this board" etc even when the designs are decent at best
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Sh1zaru on Fri, 17 September 2021, 08:18:57
Quote
author=Sh1zaru
I doubt the guy is broke as he has a haas vf2ss which he probs bought with the funds of this gb lol

Where/how do you know this?

Checkout his discord. :)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ZyBeR on Fri, 17 September 2021, 08:30:22
[attachimg=1]
(base price new - roughly $70,000)

https://www.haascnc.com/content/haascnc/en/build-and-price/choose-options.VF-2SS.html
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ajtruong on Fri, 17 September 2021, 14:14:01
Called my bank but they told me they couldn't initiate the chargeback/dispute since too much time had passed. The representative also told me someone called about disputing the same Merchant (Mint Autumn) a few calls just before I did too. Sucks to see others caught in this position and this was one of my first group buys entering the hobby last year.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Fri, 17 September 2021, 14:33:33
You people need to state what your banks are instead of just saying "my bank". I bought this with my Wells Fargo (of all places) credit card and they were able to "go back in time" by making a redundant record of the original Mint Autumn transaction in current time, and then creating the chargeback off of it. Surprisingly simple and helpful of them. I already have all of my money back into the account in fact, in less than 2 weeks.

On to the next Alice Keyboard that hopefully isn't a total scam... on that note, are there any recent Alice boards that are BETTER than Rukia?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ajtruong on Fri, 17 September 2021, 15:37:18
You people need to state what your banks are instead of just saying "my bank". I bought this with my Wells Fargo (of all places) credit card and they were able to "go back in time" by making a redundant record of the original Mint Autumn transaction in current time, and then creating the chargeback off of it. Surprisingly simple and helpful of them. I already have all of my money back into the account in fact, in less than 2 weeks.

On to the next Alice Keyboard that hopefully isn't a total scam... on that note, are there any recent Alice boards that are BETTER than Rukia?

Sorry about that, it was purchased with my Chase credit card. They were pretty adamant about not being able initiate the chargeback. Glad it worked out for you though, that was nice of Wells Fargo.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 17 September 2021, 15:48:33
Oh yeah, totally forgot how he was somehow able to get all those simps in the Discord to mindlessly and affectionately parrot "I love rukia" EVERY DAY. Where are those cringey f*ckers now that their money has been stolen too? Bet they don't love rukia quite so much anymore, HUH?

This sort of proves that Jaxx was actually a grandmaster at this. These are some next-level thievery tactics. He has all of the makings of being a Cult leader. Who knows, he might start his own sanctuary next with the $200k he ran off with.

But what I really think is he's anonymously reading this thread and laughing at all of us while eating ice cream cones from the machine we gave him.

This 100% ^, I hope he gets permanent brain freeze from that ****ing thing LOL!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Fri, 17 September 2021, 16:23:39
You people need to state what your banks are instead of just saying "my bank". I bought this with my Wells Fargo (of all places) credit card and they were able to "go back in time" by making a redundant record of the original Mint Autumn transaction in current time, and then creating the chargeback off of it. Surprisingly simple and helpful of them. I already have all of my money back into the account in fact, in less than 2 weeks.

On to the next Alice Keyboard that hopefully isn't a total scam... on that note, are there any recent Alice boards that are BETTER than Rukia?

Sorry about that, it was purchased with my Chase credit card. They were pretty adamant about not being able initiate the chargeback. Glad it worked out for you though, that was nice of Wells Fargo.

I'm sure it also depends on your relationship with your bank. The guy that has 10 years of history and spends $45k a year on his credit card will get a longer leash than the guy that just opened his card.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: johnny__whitewalker on Fri, 17 September 2021, 22:42:48
You people need to state what your banks are instead of just saying "my bank". I bought this with my Wells Fargo (of all places) credit card and they were able to "go back in time" by making a redundant record of the original Mint Autumn transaction in current time, and then creating the chargeback off of it. Surprisingly simple and helpful of them. I already have all of my money back into the account in fact, in less than 2 weeks.

On to the next Alice Keyboard that hopefully isn't a total scam... on that note, are there any recent Alice boards that are BETTER than Rukia?

Sorry about that, it was purchased with my Chase credit card. They were pretty adamant about not being able initiate the chargeback. Glad it worked out for you though, that was nice of Wells Fargo.

I was able to initiate a charge back with my chase sapphire. Did you explain the situation properly?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Sat, 18 September 2021, 12:26:55
Jaxx just deleted all the old posts off the discord.

We know he's reading all of this and doing nothing.

Its been 100 days with 0 word from him. Agree with others its time to charge back.

Absolutely disgusted with your behaviour jaxx.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Sennhou on Sat, 18 September 2021, 13:21:23
Holy crap, that's insane. Closing down the Discord was one thing that you could argue was needed but literally deleting everything?
There better be some sort of explanation soon or whatever little people were holding on to for the GB just went poof.
Title: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Aritega on Sat, 18 September 2021, 13:38:06
He didn't delete them, he just disable perms for people to read the channels and now it's back. From what I see now, the thread is set to read-only.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sat, 18 September 2021, 13:39:43
Doubtless, this will be misconstrued and meme'd to hell and back, but here goes:
Misconceptions:
1. I ran with everyone's money.
2. I used the money to buy a CNC.
3. ice cream machine

Realities:
1. The money you spent on Rukia ALL went towards making Rukia
    -Case manu in China plus extra for QC
    - PCB design paid to Gondo  **edit: Upas was kind enough to point me to Gondo, who already had an open source Alice style PCB in mind
    -knobs
    -encoders
    -packaging
    -shipping
    -taxes
    *The manu screwed up the first shipment after delaying for 3 months past when they estimated they could finish. The shipping and customs issues were the last straw.
    *I opted to get a lawyer involved = no further production or shipments from the Chinese manu
    *I started making the boards myself
2. NO money from Rukia was used for my other manufacturing business. It's actually the opposite. I got two business loans to set up being able to manufacture products out of UHMWPE.
    Money from that has been used to try to salvage this group buy and get Rukias made.
3. It's a kitchen appliance--same size as a toaster oven.

Things are stalled right now for several reasons, including-but-not-limited-to the following:
-2 separate CNC crashes
-shoulder injury
-working overtime on a contract job to fund continuing with Rukia

Being silent started as just a break from trying to be cordial to people calling me names several times a day and telling me to kill myself, but then my mother in law was hospitalized and became septic (we thought she was dying), so I was busying figuring out where we would live, then had to take care of her and our care home for the elderly, etc.
After, I didn't have any time to do anything but work, take care of both my kids, my mother in law, etc.
When I asked for advice from my lawyer and doctor, I was advised to stop all one to one and online communication, even with friends, and put out updates as things actually progress.

For anyone that has sent an encouraging message: thank you.
For anyone that has tried to stay hopeful for this group buy: thank you.
For anyone that could not wait: I'm sorry. Thank you for waiting as long as you did.

Rukia will be finished.
I don't have a reliable ETA as of now, but as soon as I do, I'll let everyone know.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dyrdevil on Sat, 18 September 2021, 13:47:34
Thanks Jaxx, good to hear from you. Really appreciate the update.  Stay healthy and fingers crossed that all goes as planned.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ThePanduuh on Sat, 18 September 2021, 13:54:07
Thank you Jaxx.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: paperassgasket on Sat, 18 September 2021, 14:18:39
An ice cream machine is never not a good investment though.
Just saying.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: FiddyFathoms on Sat, 18 September 2021, 14:20:58
Need to point out something obvious here before all these simps just "reset" and it's all roses and daisies again. I feel like we're one more reply away from people chanting "I love rukia" again, and all is forgotten.

-It has been over 100 days since Jaxx came in with this reply
-This reply is the SAME F*CKING RHETORIC we've been hearing for the past 1.5+ years... Too busy with life, sad stories with personal problems, overworked, still NO ETA.

The point is, we're all busy people too. If a board has stalled this blatantly for 1.5+ years, it's not exactly likely something is going to magically turn around any time soon. No matter how many mea culpas or "feel good" replies come out. At this point, people should be demanding (and have) DEFINITIVE proof and updates of what's going on, and a NO ETA should NOT be acceptable after 1.5+ years of this circus show.

The only reason why Jaxx FINALLY resurfaced is because all of the Chargebacks people have been doing worked. He realized he can't just hide forever with the money.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: SDKCAMPING on Sat, 18 September 2021, 15:04:42
Doubtless, this will be misconstrued and meme'd to hell and back, but here goes:
Misconceptions:
1. I ran with everyone's money.
2. I used the money to buy a CNC.
3. ice cream machine

Realities:
1. The money you spent on Rukia ALL went towards making Rukia
    -Case manu in China plus extra for QC
    -PCB design paid to Gondo (for an open source design after Upas declined to make more Rukia PCBs like R1)
    -knobs
    -encoders
    -packaging
    -shipping
    -taxes
    *The manu screwed up the first shipment after delaying for 3 months past when they estimated they could finish. The shipping and customs issues were the last straw.
    *I opted to get a lawyer involved = no further production or shipments from the Chinese manu
    *I started making the boards myself
2. NO money from Rukia was used for my other manufacturing business. It's actually the opposite. I got two business loans to set up being able to manufacture products out of UHMWPE.
    Money from that has been used to try to salvage this group buy and get Rukias made.
3. It's a kitchen appliance--same size as a toaster oven.

Things are stalled right now for several reasons, including-but-not-limited-to the following:
-2 separate CNC crashes
-shoulder injury
-working overtime on a contract job to fund continuing with Rukia

Being silent started as just a break from trying to be cordial to people calling me names several times a day and telling me to kill myself, but then my mother in law was hospitalized and became septic (we thought she was dying), so I was busying figuring out where we would live, then had to take care of her and our care home for the elderly, etc.
After, I didn't have any time to do anything but work, take care of both my kids, my mother in law, etc.
When I asked for advice from my lawyer and doctor, I was advised to stop all one to one and online communication, even with friends, and put out updates as things actually progress.

For anyone that has sent an encouraging message: thank you.
For anyone that has tried to stay hopeful for this group buy: thank you.
For anyone that could not wait: I'm sorry. Thank you for waiting as long as you did.

Rukia will be finished.
I don't have a reliable ETA as of now, but as soon as I do, I'll let everyone know.

Can you at least show pictures or evidence that things have been worked on? Like maybe a photo of a hundred or more cases at least? Because all you've shown was like a handful of cases which really isn't enough to convince anyone things are being worked on
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ZyBeR on Sat, 18 September 2021, 15:13:14
Doubtless, this will be misconstrued and meme'd to hell and back, but here goes:
Misconceptions:
1. I ran with everyone's money.
2. I used the money to buy a CNC.
3. ice cream machine

Realities:
1. The money you spent on Rukia ALL went towards making Rukia
    -Case manu in China plus extra for QC
    -PCB design paid to Gondo (for an open source design after Upas declined to make more Rukia PCBs like R1)
    -knobs
    -encoders
    -packaging
    -shipping
    -taxes
    *The manu screwed up the first shipment after delaying for 3 months past when they estimated they could finish. The shipping and customs issues were the last straw.
    *I opted to get a lawyer involved = no further production or shipments from the Chinese manu
    *I started making the boards myself
2. NO money from Rukia was used for my other manufacturing business. It's actually the opposite. I got two business loans to set up being able to manufacture products out of UHMWPE.
    Money from that has been used to try to salvage this group buy and get Rukias made.
3. It's a kitchen appliance--same size as a toaster oven.

Things are stalled right now for several reasons, including-but-not-limited-to the following:
-2 separate CNC crashes
-shoulder injury
-working overtime on a contract job to fund continuing with Rukia

Being silent started as just a break from trying to be cordial to people calling me names several times a day and telling me to kill myself, but then my mother in law was hospitalized and became septic (we thought she was dying), so I was busying figuring out where we would live, then had to take care of her and our care home for the elderly, etc.
After, I didn't have any time to do anything but work, take care of both my kids, my mother in law, etc.
When I asked for advice from my lawyer and doctor, I was advised to stop all one to one and online communication, even with friends, and put out updates as things actually progress.

For anyone that has sent an encouraging message: thank you.
For anyone that has tried to stay hopeful for this group buy: thank you.
For anyone that could not wait: I'm sorry. Thank you for waiting as long as you did.

Rukia will be finished.
I don't have a reliable ETA as of now, but as soon as I do, I'll let everyone know.

Going forward I suggest you keep your updates strictly down to business, that's why we are here - we bought a keyboard from you.
Everyone have life issues but you played that card one too many times - what you need todo to is post pictures of boards, pcbs etc., not just one but all of them so we can see if you have made progress. You should do that right away. Failing todo so will speak for itself.
If you want to earn trust back you should offer refunds for customers wanting out.
Ball is in your hands now.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: cuongcan2020 on Sat, 18 September 2021, 15:32:56
After a long explanation, still no picture to show the actual products. Looks like Jaxx is just buying more time for himself. :confused:
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ZyBeR on Sat, 18 September 2021, 16:08:33
Even without any payment whatsoever I have designed a PCB

He then told me he would understand if I jumped out and proceeded to transfer me half of the commission money.

PCB design paid to Gondo (for an open source design after Upas declined to make more Rukia PCBs like R1)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: The0rigina1 on Sat, 18 September 2021, 16:21:35
So you did get an ice cream machine?
Just smaller?  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: $W4GK!NG on Sat, 18 September 2021, 16:23:44
So you did get an ice cream machine?
Just smaller?  :thumb:

(https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/583089f4737a8e61abb0186b/3x)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Kokaloo on Sat, 18 September 2021, 16:30:13
so when's the bbq
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: finalarcadia on Sat, 18 September 2021, 16:33:40
Can we get an actual status update. Did the pcb protos ever arrive? How many cases are finished? Etc.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: upas on Sat, 18 September 2021, 16:46:15
    -PCB design paid to Gondo (for an open source design after Upas declined to make more Rukia PCBs like R1)

I'm not quite sure why this detail is particularly relevant to the status of Rukia GB, but I wanted to address this because my name was mentioned here:

To the best of my knowledge, Jaxx only asked me if I could make a per-key RGB version of an Alice PCB. I politely declined as I didn't have the bandwidth to do it, and showed Jaxx a link to an open source PCB Gondolindrim had designed that had per key RGB in an alice layout. I checked my DMs as well to see if there was anything I might have missed, but I didn't find any requests from Jaxx to use the Alice Layout PCBs as they were in round 1.

In general - we love when people use our PCB designs and are always willing to provide them at bulk rates for GBs. Once a PCB is designed, it's not that much work to just order more of the same thing. All the PCB design, testing, iteration, etc. has already been done. This is also why we have STEP files of our most common PCBs available on our site as well (https://docs.cannonkeys.com/resources/). It wouldn't really make business sense for us to say no to requests to use our PCBs - and we actually encourage it.

Also note - if a PCB isn't up there, it may be because it was part of a collaboration, or we don't want to necessarily share it publicly, or we just might not have gotten around to putting it up. Either way, if you are interested in a PCB STEP that isn't listed, feel free to email support@cannonkeys.com and we can discuss more!

In any case - I'm not part of this GB and I'm also not really keeping track of this thread (or planning on following this thread any further). I just wanted to provide my point of view as I was name dropped. Perhaps Jaxx did reach out and we missed his request - we're only human and it can happen. If you want to reach me, the above email is the best method!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: badchad on Sat, 18 September 2021, 16:56:03
Step file… what are you doing


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Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Sat, 18 September 2021, 17:46:38
Every time I watch Bleach, I am reminded of this cursed GB. I love Rukia but I have moved on to Orihime.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solianne on Sat, 18 September 2021, 18:06:22
i back sry no se chat update mr jaxx has lock chat for se chat n no update

i say 1 to mr jaxx pls 2 giv name of china factory if u say u not use now so every1 at least not use them in future ty mr jaxx pls reply
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: 3ambutter on Sat, 18 September 2021, 18:19:02
There’s literally no info in this update. Charge backs seem to be working which is probly why Jax came out of hiding. Don’t stop charging back before it’s too late
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: alspdx on Sat, 18 September 2021, 19:15:55
i back sry no se chat update mr jaxx has lock chat for se chat n no update

i say 1 to mr jaxx pls 2 giv name of china factory if u say u not use now so every1 at least not use them in future ty mr jaxx pls reply

What the hell? When did he lock the Rukia SE channel?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Sat, 18 September 2021, 20:24:24
Need to point out something obvious here before all these simps just "reset" and it's all roses and daisies again. I feel like we're one more reply away from people chanting "I love rukia" again, and all is forgotten.

-It has been over 100 days since Jaxx came in with this reply
-This reply is the SAME F*CKING RHETORIC we've been hearing for the past 1.5+ years... Too busy with life, sad stories with personal problems, overworked, still NO ETA.

The point is, we're all busy people too. If a board has stalled this blatantly for 1.5+ years, it's not exactly likely something is going to magically turn around any time soon. No matter how many mea culpas or "feel good" replies come out. At this point, people should be demanding (and have) DEFINITIVE proof and updates of what's going on, and a NO ETA should NOT be acceptable after 1.5+ years of this circus show.

The only reason why Jaxx FINALLY resurfaced is because all of the Chargebacks people have been doing worked. He realized he can't just hide forever with the money.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

WELL SAID. Best summation so far.

This “update” was really a non-update. What changed to cause him to finally come out of the woodwork? The Chargebacks.

Instead of being on the vulnerable end and having your money taken while hoping endlessly, I rather be in more control and try to buy an extra if this keyboard actually materializes. Until then, I don’t have to worry about if I will ever get what I paid for. And it’s not like this keyboard is the only one out there, doesn’t even warrant all this stress.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ohmypizza on Sat, 18 September 2021, 20:41:47
Long post with no substance honestly and I'm seriously running out of patience:

1. like others have said before, please keep it to business because when it comes to the actual information on the project is sparse AF.

2. like others have said before, there's still no proof of anything having been manufactured at scale (how many have been made? Have they all have been made? What parts are done? What parts are not done?). THERE'S NO REASON WHY EVERYTHING HAS TO BE SO IMPRECISE other than implicitly meaning that products are MASSIVELY behind schedule which begs the question - how did you even arrive at the initial shipping estimate of May? How many were even made for the first wave - 3 keyboards????? If there has been a miscalculation - WHY? Were you on board 0 and overestimated the product rate? What rate was it at that made you think it was that can make produce them in time? What's the production rate now? All these substantive information that could shed light to the actual progress of the GB has never been provided. This is 100% mismanagement.
 
3. There hasn't been any marginal update in the span of 100+ days? Not a single thing? CNC broke down and nothing has been happening? Did you get people to fix it? When were they fixed? ???????????????????????

4.
Misconceptions:
I used the money to buy a CNC.

Realities:
1. The money you spent on Rukia ALL went towards making Rukia
   ...
    *I started making the boards myself

-working overtime on a contract job to fund continuing with Rukia
Then how did you fund the CNC in the first place? You claimed that you did not use any $ from Rukia, then how did you think you were going to make back the money then? From future sales? When you are trying to complete current orders? After winning the litigation w/ manu which may or may not happen and will most likely take years?.... This is so financially unsound... or if you are really that deep pockets then just sell everything you have on this project and refund everyone and be glad that no one is asking for interest



Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: yhehdgjs on Sat, 18 September 2021, 20:56:34

I don't have a reliable ETA as of now


 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Great job.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: megaforce on Sat, 18 September 2021, 21:35:08
so when's the bbq

costco has some killer deals on brisket rn baby!
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: _rubik on Sat, 18 September 2021, 22:42:05
so when's the bbq

costco has some killer deals on brisket rn baby!
Rukia r2 bbq meetup? Sign me up
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: samuelcc on Sat, 18 September 2021, 23:32:05
Unfortunately I failed to get a chargeback as it has been over 540 days since transaction.
Wish I tried it some time earlier. Lesson learned.

Jaxx still keeps lying to all of us and plays the "hard life" card again.
Yeah sure Chinese Factory shipped the board for several months and the customs ruinned all the boards using box cutters.
You said that the board is gonna ship for several times when the pcb is not even prototyped.
Can't you just stop all the bullsh*t?

It is so funny to see all those simps who attacked doubters go silent now.
"Reputable Community Member" "Nice Guy" "Wholesome" yeah sure lol
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: olsen34 on Sun, 19 September 2021, 02:24:46
Pic or didn't happen.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Sun, 19 September 2021, 03:48:01
From his May 31st update: “Some kits shipped out this week but without PCBs.”

Anyone know someone who actually received one so we can get confirmation the Rukia even exists?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: yhs on Sun, 19 September 2021, 08:50:18
It is so funny to see all those simps who attacked doubters go silent now.
"Reputable Community Member" "Nice Guy" "Wholesome" yeah sure lol

Nah, I'm still here. I'm not saying Jaxx handled the GB, communication or transparency well, but I stand by my belief that Jaxx didn't intentionally scam anyone. I don't know for sure that I will ever see the Rukia I paid for, but despite the awful (and at times incoherent) communication and updates and despite understanding the frustration some may feel, I do think the hateful messages he has been receiving are unwarranted and horrible. And I sure as hell don't see any reason to start calling other users "simps" because you disagree with the views of some of the groupbuy participants..

I do not believe I ever "attacked" doubters though, and the only reason I have stayed away from this thread is that I don't see the point in a group of users (some of which are brand new accounts while others have openly stating they did not join this GB) continuously complaining and attacking Jaxx. I understand the frustration, I just don't see the point or purpose of having 10 pages of posts that can essentially be boiled down to "Jaxx is an idiot, **** this GB".

If you're certain you got scammed (worst exit scam ever btw), then you may find that trying to recover your money is a better approach than hanging out here using hateful slurs to describe Geekhack users you disagree with, but to each their own.

Speaking of simps, these are a couple of weak ass soyboiz right here:

Calling other users out stating they are "weak ass soyboiz", really? Damn..
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: synthtastic on Sun, 19 September 2021, 09:31:34
Speaking of simps, these are a couple of weak ass soyboiz right here:

You already got your chargeback approved, so not really sure why you're still hanging around here just to insult others.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dyrdevil on Sun, 19 September 2021, 10:19:36
Speaking of simps, these are a couple of weak ass soyboiz right here:

You already got your chargeback approved, so not really sure why you're still hanging around here just to insult others.

It is so funny to see all those simps who attacked doubters go silent now.
"Reputable Community Member" "Nice Guy" "Wholesome" yeah sure lol

I sure as hell don't see any reason to start calling other users "simps" because you disagree with the views of some of the groupbuy participants..

Speaking of simps, these are a couple of weak ass soyboiz right here:

Calling other users out stating they are "weak ass soyboiz", really? Damn..

Thanks, synthtastic, and thanks, yhs - I couldn't have said any of that better myself.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the point is in calling out other users.  At least samulcc's comment wasn't addressing a specific user.
XUR, I understand your frustration, and you seem to have gotten your money back. Whatever your issue is I'm pretty sure it's not with me or Panduuh.  I'm not sure what a soyboi is, but I can assure you my spine has all it's vertebrae and I'm not simping anyone - I'm just being kind.

When we join groupbuys, there's always a risk that things go sideways, the runner runs off with the money, gets sick, worldwide pandemic, whatever.  So yeah, I'm thanking Jaxx for showing up and letting us know that he still intends to fulfill this.

Of course I wish we had more frequent updates, of course I wish I had a board already.  I spent hundreds of dollars on this buy just like the rest of you and I'm concerned I might never see anything for it.  Now maybe I'm getting old, and perhaps I have a romanticized idea of what a groupbuy is.  For me, it's always been a way to get some cool **** that 1) you can't buy from a store, because it's not mass-produced, and 2) can only be paid for when community members come together in order to achieve realistic order quantities and prices.

A lot of the accounts posting seem to have been created recently - or around the time this groupbuy started.  Some of the attitudes seem to imply an expectation that there's the same relationship here between us and jaxx as there would be with any big company - an idea that there's no real financial impact on the "company" by individual actions.  This is only my opinion, but I think a groupbuy is different.  And while I'd never tell anybody what choices to make with their money, I imagine it doesn't help the groupbuy to issue chargebacks, or to encourage others to do the same en masse.  In fact, you could be jeopardizing the chances of things working out for those of us who still have a stake in the buy.

XUR, it seems your comment has been removed in the time I've been writing this.  In another of your comments you wrote:

Instead of being on the vulnerable end and having your money taken while hoping endlessly, I rather be in more control and try to buy an extra if this keyboard actually materializes. Until then, I don’t have to worry about if I will ever get what I paid for.

Groupbuys aren't for everyone.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thicthock on Sun, 19 September 2021, 11:17:54
All of this would be easily resolved if Jaxx would have just posted one picture of the Boars hes working on.

He refuses.
He says the same things over and over.

Quote
A lot of the accounts posting seem to have been created recently - or around the time this groupbuy started.  Some of the attitudes seem to imply an expectation that there's the same relationship here between us and jaxx as there would be with any big company - an idea that there's no real financial impact on the "company" by individual actions.  This is only my opinion, but I think a groupbuy is different.  And while I'd never tell anybody what choices to make with their money, I imagine it doesn't help the groupbuy to issue chargebacks, or to encourage others to do the same en masse.  In fact, you could be jeopardizing the chances of things working out for those of us who still have a stake in the buy.

This is super condescending. A normal groupbuy has the maker share updates and pictures and such. So that users dont have to worry even if something goes wrong.
Jaxx refuses to do anything to make the doubts go and you actually have the gall to tell people chargebacks of their money doesnt help?

Big yikes.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dyrdevil on Sun, 19 September 2021, 11:32:21

Quote
A lot of the accounts posting seem to have been created recently - or around the time this groupbuy started.  Some of the attitudes seem to imply an expectation that there's the same relationship here between us and jaxx as there would be with any big company - an idea that there's no real financial impact on the "company" by individual actions.  This is only my opinion, but I think a groupbuy is different.  And while I'd never tell anybody what choices to make with their money, I imagine it doesn't help the groupbuy to issue chargebacks, or to encourage others to do the same en masse.  In fact, you could be jeopardizing the chances of things working out for those of us who still have a stake in the buy.

This is super condescending. A normal groupbuy has the maker share updates and pictures and such. So that users dont have to worry even if something goes wrong.
Jaxx refuses to do anything to make the doubts go and you actually have the gall to tell people chargebacks of their money doesnt help?

Big yikes.

Apologies for coming across as condescending, that's certainly not my intent.  I'm just trying to illustrate that when someone in a groupbuy protects themself financially via something like a chargeback, it has a potentially negative effect on the financial security of the buy as a whole. 

That choice is absolutely each individual's own to make, and I'll say again these are just my own opinions, and I'd never presume to tell someone what to do.

If I personally thought a groupbuy runner disappeared, ran away from the community, tried to swindle me, would I issue a chargeback? Yes, I might.  Personally, I've seen enough activity from Jaxx and through Gondo over the summer to indicate that hasn't happened, so I'm not at that place myself.  It's just a fairly severe measure to take.  What it takes for each person to get to their breaking point.. I guess that varies.

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: 3ambutter on Sun, 19 September 2021, 12:42:15
Quote
Personally, I've seen enough activity from Jaxx and through Gondo over the summer to indicate that hasn't happened

Are we following the same group buy? The one where Gondo had to threaten to withhold the pcb software just to get in contact with Jax? With all the evidence we have, or lack thereof, it's pretty selfish of you to ask ppl to not take action and risk losing $500 just so you can keep hoping your board delivers
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kronograf on Sun, 19 September 2021, 12:43:56
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720499738864123954/889016474969190410/image0.jpg)

well, here's a new date to look forward (?) to


jaxx where is my refund
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dyrdevil on Sun, 19 September 2021, 12:57:44
Quote
Personally, I've seen enough activity from Jaxx and through Gondo over the summer to indicate that hasn't happened

Are we following the same group buy? The one where Gondo had to threaten to withhold the pcb software just to get in contact with Jax? With all the evidence we have, or lack thereof, it's pretty selfish of you to ask ppl to not take action and risk losing $500 just so you can keep hoping your board delivers

I'm not asking anyone to do anything.  I've stated numerous times these are only my own opinions, that everybody is free to make their own choices and that I'd never tell anybody what to do.  All I've done is try to state some ideas about how groupbuys happen (and I'm not blind to how ****ty they can be).

I'm sorry if I'm not being clear enough, but I'm really trying my best to reply thoughtfully and courteously.  I've been called a simp, spineless, soiboi, condescending, and selfish overnight, essentially because I thanked Jaxx for showing up.  I can't sit here all day trying to craft decent responses to people who call me names, so I'd appreciate it if we could keep the discussion as civil as possible among group buy participants. 

3ambutter, I understand how you might think I'm being selfish.  You're well within your rights to do whatever you like with regards to this groupbuy, and I'm well within my rights to hope it succeeds.  I don't think that's being selfish - or at least, any more selfish than someone wanting their money back.    We all want back what we put into this, whether its $500 or a $500 keyboard. 

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dyrdevil on Sun, 19 September 2021, 13:28:52
I just want to be clear: I have no beef with anyone here.  I also mean no disrespect towards anyone here, or their opinions. 

I didn't like the comments by the user that were deleted, because they seemed unnecessarily offensive.

There is a lot of understandable frustration with this groupbuy being voiced.  I am frustrated too. I just want my voice to also be heard, which is that I'm content for now to continue waiting and hoping for this to fulfill.  Presumably there are some others who feel similarly, but I don't know.

I have a great deal of respect for those of you who are voicing strong opinions.  The community needs to demand accountability in this hobby, and to police itself in a way.  I'm just trying to be part of the discussion.



 





Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: solianne on Sun, 19 September 2021, 14:09:51
I just want to be clear: I have no beef with anyone here.  I also mean no disrespect towards anyone here, or their opinions. 

I didn't like the comments by the user that were deleted, because they seemed unnecessarily offensive.

There is a lot of understandable frustration with this groupbuy being voiced.  I am frustrated too. I just want my voice to also be heard, which is that I'm content for now to continue waiting and hoping for this to fulfill.  Presumably there are some others who feel similarly, but I don't know.

I have a great deal of respect for those of you who are voicing strong opinions.  The community needs to demand accountability in this hobby, and to police itself in a way.  I'm just trying to be part of the discussion.



hi i hav ? after now we hav date 2 look if jax say show up at date n he hav no pic n only excus 4 y no pic do u jus say thx u 4 lyin to my face ??? that y i think ppl say things u point out. mb i be wrong but wen some1 keep lyin 2 my face n go away then com back n not hav ne pic of y they gon i not care if they com back. dis y i think ppl say simp n stuff bc jus havin words n excuse but no pic or nething not good enuf now. he not even say 5% don or nething. u cn say mom is sick n also say only 5% don u kno.

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Sun, 19 September 2021, 19:17:34
@dyrdevil - I will own up to the call outs I did as being unnecessary and too ad hominem, but my point still remains. Case in point, when you suggested to not do the chargebacks… literally the only thing that has worked so far and the only leg we have to stand on successfully. That’s just unbelievable. SMH!!!!

If you want your money taken, because it’s obvious that you’re seeing things from a distorted and rosey lens, keep it to yourself. Don’t bring others down with the ship, who have a chance of getting on a lifeboat. Thanking Jaxx for a nonsense of an “update” also DOES NOT HELP. 1.5 years of this nonsense and with this thread spelling things out clear as day still doesn’t get through to you, lmao…

I guess I technically don’t have a bone in this fight anymore since I escaped, but I still have 1.5 years spent in this circus. So you could say I have some emotional attachment to see justice served and to help people help themselves, because CLEARLY not everyone can read obvious patterns under their nose… i.e. the same types of updates Jaxx has been giving all this time.


Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kronograf on Sun, 19 September 2021, 22:49:41
hi i hav ? after now we hav date 2 look if jax say show up at date n he hav no pic n only excus 4 y no pic do u jus say thx u 4 lyin to my face ??? that y i think ppl say things u point out. mb i be wrong but wen some1 keep lyin 2 my face n go away then com back n not hav ne pic of y they gon i not care if they com back. dis y i think ppl say simp n stuff bc jus havin words n excuse but no pic or nething not good enuf now. he not even say 5% don or nething. u cn say mom is sick n also say only 5% don u kno.

Why are you buying a $500+ keyboard if you type like this?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: The0rigina1 on Mon, 20 September 2021, 05:58:31
I just want to be clear: I have no beef with anyone here.  I also mean no disrespect towards anyone here, or their opinions. 

I didn't like the comments by the user that were deleted, because they seemed unnecessarily offensive.

There is a lot of understandable frustration with this groupbuy being voiced.  I am frustrated too. I just want my voice to also be heard, which is that I'm content for now to continue waiting and hoping for this to fulfill.  Presumably there are some others who feel similarly, but I don't know.

I have a great deal of respect for those of you who are voicing strong opinions.  The community needs to demand accountability in this hobby, and to police itself in a way.  I'm just trying to be part of the discussion.



hi i hav ? after now we hav date 2 look if jax say show up at date n he hav no pic n only excus 4 y no pic do u jus say thx u 4 lyin to my face ??? that y i think ppl say things u point out. mb i be wrong but wen some1 keep lyin 2 my face n go away then com back n not hav ne pic of y they gon i not care if they com back. dis y i think ppl say simp n stuff bc jus havin words n excuse but no pic or nething not good enuf now. he not even say 5% don or nething. u cn say mom is sick n also say only 5% don u kno.
Your W key broke?
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 20 September 2021, 10:37:41
I just want to be clear: I have no beef with anyone here.  I also mean no disrespect towards anyone here, or their opinions. 

I didn't like the comments by the user that were deleted, because they seemed unnecessarily offensive.

There is a lot of understandable frustration with this groupbuy being voiced.  I am frustrated too. I just want my voice to also be heard, which is that I'm content for now to continue waiting and hoping for this to fulfill.  Presumably there are some others who feel similarly, but I don't know.

I have a great deal of respect for those of you who are voicing strong opinions.  The community needs to demand accountability in this hobby, and to police itself in a way.  I'm just trying to be part of the discussion.



hi i hav ? after now we hav date 2 look if jax say show up at date n he hav no pic n only excus 4 y no pic do u jus say thx u 4 lyin to my face ??? that y i think ppl say things u point out. mb i be wrong but wen some1 keep lyin 2 my face n go away then com back n not hav ne pic of y they gon i not care if they com back. dis y i think ppl say simp n stuff bc jus havin words n excuse but no pic or nething not good enuf now. he not even say 5% don or nething. u cn say mom is sick n also say only 5% don u kno.
Your W key broke?

Something is broke there but I don't think it's the keyboard....
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: pleasega on Mon, 20 September 2021, 10:41:06
the question is why does jaxx not have pictures now? and only pictures in october? what about those scuffed rukias from the china manu? i hope the next update he doesnt just show a few rukias, imagine only having a few after 1 and a half years...
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Mon, 20 September 2021, 13:36:22
the question is why does jaxx not have pictures now? and only pictures in october? what about those scuffed rukias from the china manu? i hope the next update he doesnt just show a few rukias, imagine only having a few after 1 and a half years...

Jaxx will answer those questions in the form of SCIF or silence like how he has been doing so. Where are the alu tops? SCIF. Where are the Rukias from the first batch? SCIF. Are there pictures of the rest of the Rukias? SCIF. Then he will go silent for a while. He hasn’t really answered any questions for or given a solid update with pictures, actual numbers, etc. I’m waiting for the day he proves me wrong but with his most recent post he has yet to do so.

I fully understand he has stuff going on in his personal life but he has thousands of dollars of people’s money still. At least he can offload updates to his mods or friends. It’s not a question of a $500 board, it’s more of concern that it’s 100+ $500 boards that are unaccounted for at the moment.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: nulltorious on Mon, 20 September 2021, 20:08:11
I hope we get pictures as part of the update planned in the future. It's not that hard to post some pictures to provide evidence they exist.

In my book, we don't have pictures because the boards don't exist...simple as that  :(
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: ohmypizza on Mon, 20 September 2021, 21:06:10
I hope we get pictures as part of the update planned in the future. It's not that hard to post some pictures to provide evidence they exist.

In my book, we don't have pictures because the boards don't exist...simple as that  :(

Yeah... but not only the lack of pictures - there's literally not a single update concretely saying ANY part has been finished. Like what happened to sandblasting the bottoms? 100+ days and still 1/4 done?

I speculate that Jaxx does intend (or just wishfully hope) to finish the project but:
1. completely underestimated the difficulty to do it in-house / overestimated his capability to do so;
--> 2. now has liquidity problems / already blew up the entire Rukia investment;
--> 3. working on another job to get $ to finish Rukia... - which means he is not or is barely "working on it" hence the extreme delays that cannot be disclosed.

Regardless of whether the above is true or not, it most likely would've been better if Jaxx just called it quits and pulled out at the first instance of some colossal **** up instead of digging himself a deeper hole IMO.

The reason why I rant so much here is because some of us don't live in a jurisdiction with pro-consumer laws and regs to warrant a chargeback... but yeah groupbuy risks blahblah welp
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: FiddyFathoms on Tue, 21 September 2021, 00:04:17
Some of the attitudes seem to imply an expectation that there's the same relationship here between us and jaxx as there would be with any big company - an idea that there's no real financial impact on the "company" by individual actions.  This is only my opinion, but I think a groupbuy is different.  And while I'd never tell anybody what choices to make with their money, I imagine it doesn't help the groupbuy to issue chargebacks, or to encourage others to do the same en masse.  In fact, you could be jeopardizing the chances of things working out for those of us who still have a stake in the buy.

You need to GTFO of here with that. You must really like buying snake oil. The reality is, there IS NO board. And if there is ever going to be one, it's probably not another year away because clearly, Jaxx has barely even started on anything.

At that point, this board isn't even worth having for the way the group buy patrons have been treated. You'll be owning something forged from a 2 year+ dumpster fire, which isn't exactly good pedigree.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 21 September 2021, 00:41:00
Some of the attitudes seem to imply an expectation that there's the same relationship here between us and jaxx as there would be with any big company - an idea that there's no real financial impact on the "company" by individual actions.  This is only my opinion, but I think a groupbuy is different.  And while I'd never tell anybody what choices to make with their money, I imagine it doesn't help the groupbuy to issue chargebacks, or to encourage others to do the same en masse.  In fact, you could be jeopardizing the chances of things working out for those of us who still have a stake in the buy.

You need to GTFO of here with that. You must really like buying snake oil. The reality is, there IS NO board. And if there is ever going to be one, it's probably not another year away because clearly, Jaxx has barely even started on anything.

At that point, this board isn't even worth having for the way the group buy patrons have been treated. You'll be owning something forged from a 2 year+ dumpster fire, which isn't exactly good pedigree.

Agreed.

Amazon isn't holding people's money for 2 years with nothing to show for it.

My problem with this GB is Jaxx has treated his customers with zero respect. He has no respect for the people that gave him hundreds of dollars.

You would think that the least someone could buy for $500 is the courtesy of reasonable updates and truthfulness.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: yhehdgjs on Tue, 21 September 2021, 05:24:47
I'm not sure if Jaxx will read these thread but ...

Honestly, we don't give a shxt about your life. All that excuses are not our concerns.

If you want us to wait more than we expected, give us some fuxking transparency with evidence.

This is not a good way to run your own business.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Gondolindrim on Tue, 21 September 2021, 09:04:34
Whew this blew up
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: SDKCAMPING on Tue, 21 September 2021, 09:45:25
give pics end this madness not that hard
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dyrdevil on Tue, 21 September 2021, 11:07:03
Some of the attitudes seem to imply an expectation that there's the same relationship here between us and jaxx as there would be with any big company - an idea that there's no real financial impact on the "company" by individual actions.  This is only my opinion, but I think a groupbuy is different.  And while I'd never tell anybody what choices to make with their money, I imagine it doesn't help the groupbuy to issue chargebacks, or to encourage others to do the same en masse.  In fact, you could be jeopardizing the chances of things working out for those of us who still have a stake in the buy.

You need to GTFO of here with that. You must really like buying snake oil. The reality is, there IS NO board. And if there is ever going to be one, it's probably not another year away because clearly, Jaxx has barely even started on anything.

At that point, this board isn't even worth having for the way the group buy patrons have been treated. You'll be owning something forged from a 2 year+ dumpster fire, which isn't exactly good pedigree.

Agreed.

Amazon isn't holding people's money for 2 years with nothing to show for it.

My problem with this GB is Jaxx has treated his customers with zero respect. He has no respect for the people that gave him hundreds of dollars.

You would think that the least someone could buy for $500 is the courtesy of reasonable updates and truthfulness.

Upon some reflection, I feel that some of my previous comments may have implied that I think the events of this groupbuy are normal, or to be expected and understood.  That was not my intention, and I'm sorry to anyone who felt that I was trivializing their frustration.

To be clear, I'm not supporting or defending the lack of communication.  I'm just saying that personally (just for myself)... I'm not at the point where I'd issue a credit card chargeback because Jaxx is still around and seems like he intends to work this out, as sideways as it may have gone.  I totally understand why others might not feel the same. 

Throughout the summer I wasn't personally under the impression that Jaxx had cut and run.  I was under the impression he was avoiding communication while trying to fix things because he believed it to be essential to his health, and would update when he had something to say.  This impression was supported by Gondo's much-appreciated updates.  This impression was also supported by Jaxx's last message a few days ago. 

I don't have any idea what's going on with this buy or with Jaxx behind the scenes.  I actually agree with people in principle that updates ideally should be about business only and that good communication is vital.  I also know from firsthand experience that groupbuys can be a ****show and that the pandemic has been hard on lots of people, so this brings me to my current stance which is that I don't personally feel like I need to do a credit card chargeback because I do think Jaxx is still trying to get me a board.

I'm not happy about all of this.. I'm just... I don't know... keeping my pitchfork in storage
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Tue, 21 September 2021, 11:38:59
^After reading that and seeing how incredibly ignorant you are, my soyboi comment earlier honestly has some validity, but whatever. You dodge red flags better than Neo dodges bullets in the Matrix, and it's beyond annoying.

In what figment of your imagination is leading you to believe that Jaxx is really trying to give you a board? What proof do you have? After 1.5+ years, we know more about his personal inconveniences and stance on SCIF than we do about the actual board. The PCBs aren't even figured out, this late in the game, and it's been over 100 days with no communication and no proper update, yet you still think he's trying to get you a board.

FiddyFathoms already said it, THERE IS NO BOARD. And if there is one, be prepared to wait 2-3+ years at the rate this has all been going. When do YOU think you're going to get this board in your hands?

I just hope others reading this thread are not influenced by your inaneness, because your perspective is so far removed from reality.

To others, not you because you're hopeless: Stop the disrespect and this nonsense, do all you can to get a chargeback, and get YOUR MONEY back. If the board materializes, buy it then in the year 2030. If not, you have your money and can move on with life and other boards that actually deliver.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: dyrdevil on Tue, 21 September 2021, 12:14:59
^After reading that and seeing how incredibly ignorant you are, my soyboi comment earlier honestly has some validity, but whatever. You dodge red flags better than Neo dodges bullets in the Matrix, and it's beyond annoying.

In what figment of your imagination is leading you to believe that Jaxx is really trying to give you a board? What proof do you have? After 1.5+ years, we know more about his personal inconveniences and stance on SCIF than we do about the actual board. The PCBs aren't even figured out, this late in the game, and it's been over 100 days with no communication and no proper update, yet you still think he's trying to get you a board.

FiddyFathoms already said it, THERE IS NO BOARD. And if there is one, be prepared to wait 2-3+ years at the rate this has all been going. When do YOU think you're going to get this board in your hands?

I just hope others reading this thread are not influenced by your inaneness, because your perspective is so far removed from reality.

To others, not you because you're hopeless: Stop the disrespect and this nonsense, do all you can to get a chargeback, and get YOUR MONEY back. If the board materializes, buy it then in the year 2030. If not, you have your money and can move on with life and other boards that actually deliver.

@XUR: 

in response to the questions you asked me:
I've known Jaxx for a little while and don't think he seems like he'd be the type to screw people over.
I have no proof.
I don't know when I might get the board.  I'm busy rn personally so I'm ok to keep waiting.  Maybe I'll feel differently in the future.


I don't know how many times I can say I respect and understand yours and other's opinions and frustrations while also trying to articulate my own.
I'm not going to keep saying the same thing, but it's all right there in my post history if you want to read it.

I very rarely type things like this because I actively try not to be hostile but I'm also not going to sit here and not defend myself while you double down on childish insults, so you can take whatever bs you're directing at me with your refund and **** right off 

i dont know if that goes against gh terms, so maybe this will be removed but i have no interest in being belittled by this child who is no longer part of the groupbuy
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: TopreMoon on Tue, 21 September 2021, 12:25:47
So people complained that Jaxx wasn't updating enough, which was fair - but the moment he updates, yall **** on him for not giving more?

Please, if he ran off with our money, he would have stopped the pretenses a long time ago.

Angry with the delay? This is what group buys are. We send money to a person/group willing to organize and produce a product that normally would never get produced. You do the research and determine the level of risk. Presumably, if you join a group buy, you accepted the level of risk involved. Group Buy 101. If you don't like it...then probably don't join group buys? Wait for extras or in-stock sales?

All of these delays we're seeing are pretty reasonable, given the circumstances. It seems that anything that could go wrong has gone wrong, all in the middle of COVID - and its ultimately one dude trying to make this all work.

****ting on the organizer is never productive. Screaming scam is never productive unless its during a GB to warn people of past experiences.

Honestly, I wager most people yelling scam just like drama. Nothing about this seems unreasonable as far as group buys are concerned. Jaxx set up high standards and failed to meet them. That's on him and it's okay that we're disappointed. But the disrespect some people are reacting with is a lot more disappointing. Calling people simps for still supporting Jaxx? I don't have words for that kind of person. I completely understand why Jaxx is limiting his interactions with us, even without the legal advise to do so.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 21 September 2021, 12:36:53
All of this drama could be cleared up with Jaxx showing pictures of boards that he claimed shipped to him. I assume he is aware of that.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: TopreMoon on Tue, 21 September 2021, 13:00:03
All of this drama could be cleared up with Jaxx showing pictures of boards that he claimed shipped to him. I assume he is aware of that.

Given the tone of people demanding pictures, I almost doubt it would clear anything up. The authenticity would be question ("anyone can modify a timestamp! theses are from R1!") and it sounds like a whole can of worms would open that would be another headache, especially if there is legal advice against it.

If you don't trust the organizer, you're not going to trust anything they provide (just look at the world today). The only way for this drama to be cleared is by delivering the boards. Everything else is just more fuel for the fire (as evident by how people reacted by the most recent update).
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: shieldmending on Tue, 21 September 2021, 13:26:45
So people complained that Jaxx wasn't updating enough, which was fair - but the moment he updates, yall **** on him for not giving more?

Please, if he ran off with our money, he would have stopped the pretenses a long time ago.

Angry with the delay? This is what group buys are. We send money to a person/group willing to organize and produce a product that normally would never get produced. You do the research and determine the level of risk. Presumably, if you join a group buy, you accepted the level of risk involved. Group Buy 101. If you don't like it...then probably don't join group buys? Wait for extras or in-stock sales?

All of these delays we're seeing are pretty reasonable, given the circumstances. It seems that anything that could go wrong has gone wrong, all in the middle of COVID - and its ultimately one dude trying to make this all work.

****ting on the organizer is never productive. Screaming scam is never productive unless its during a GB to warn people of past experiences.

Honestly, I wager most people yelling scam just like drama. Nothing about this seems unreasonable as far as group buys are concerned. Jaxx set up high standards and failed to meet them. That's on him and it's okay that we're disappointed. But the disrespect some people are reacting with is a lot more disappointing. Calling people simps for still supporting Jaxx? I don't have words for that kind of person. I completely understand why Jaxx is limiting his interactions with us, even without the legal advise to do so.

I get what you are saying but there hasn’t been a single update on the actual keyboards since he posted pictures nearly 5 months ago in early May. In any group buy, you would expect some kind of significant updates after 4-5 months. I personally think that Jaxx hasn’t run off with the money, he just bit off more than he could chew by moving the production in-house and it spiraled out of control. Polycarbonate has high failure rates and taking the manufacturing in-house in the middle of production was likely the wrong call. There are risks for joining a group buy but Jaxx introduced unnecessary risk by taking on the manufacturing himself. Not only that, it’s a bit of a red flag that even Gondo had to speak up and talk about the PCB fitment issues.

I get it. The community loves drama. If Jaxx actually provided weekly updates like he promised a long time ago and said things will be better, there would be less drama. A lot of us have given him multiple chances to earn or keep our trust as a group buy runner. There was even supposed to be a stream of a Rukia R2 being built but that never happened. Where are the owners of the Rukias that were shipped out in May? It’s been a long streak of false promises that causes drama like this.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: juaninamilli on Tue, 21 September 2021, 14:07:44
Sincere question… (I don’t have any information that everyone else doesn’t have btw)….

What if Jaxx came out and said…. “Hey guys, I’m sorry, some decisions/partnerships I made were a mistake and this GB will be unable to be fulfilled.” 

I personally think that honesty would be better than silence or dodging of issues, but how would it be taken if that were the answer?  I’m curious if that would be a better approach and when would be the right time to say something like that. I’m a disappointment customer just like most of you, but I’m trying to put myself in someone’s shoes that would have to go through something like that.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Tue, 21 September 2021, 14:14:48
I very rarely type things like this because I actively try not to be hostile but I'm also not going to sit here and not defend myself while you double down on childish insults, so you can take whatever bs you're directing at me with your refund and **** right off 

i dont know if that goes against gh terms, so maybe this will be removed but i have no interest in being belittled by this child who is no longer part of the groupbuy

If only you'd stand up to circus show of a non-product Group Buy, happening right under your nose, as you did to me  ;D

So people complained that Jaxx wasn't updating enough, which was fair - but the moment he updates, yall **** on him for not giving more?

If you genuinely consider that an update, you need more help than just getting your money back. Another example of why it's easy to roll over and pull the wool over the eyes of the types of people that sign up for these group buys.

To spell it out for you: that wasn't an update. We know nothing about the boards. We know nothing about any "update" in the past 100 days on the boards, just like how we never saw any definitive proof of the boards in the past 1.5+ Y E A R S. We DO know more about Jaxx's personal life, though.



Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: TopreMoon on Tue, 21 September 2021, 15:10:28

I get what you are saying but there hasn’t been a single update on the actual keyboards since he posted pictures nearly 5 months ago in early May. In any group buy, you would expect some kind of significant updates after 4-5 months. I personally think that Jaxx hasn’t run off with the money, he just bit off more than he could chew by moving the production in-house and it spiraled out of control. Polycarbonate has high failure rates and taking the manufacturing in-house in the middle of production was likely the wrong call. There are risks for joining a group buy but Jaxx introduced unnecessary risk by taking on the manufacturing himself. Not only that, it’s a bit of a red flag that even Gondo had to speak up and talk about the PCB fitment issues.

I get it. The community loves drama. If Jaxx actually provided weekly updates like he promised a long time ago and said things will be better, there would be less drama. A lot of us have given him multiple chances to earn or keep our trust as a group buy runner. There was even supposed to be a stream of a Rukia R2 being built but that never happened. Where are the owners of the Rukias that were shipped out in May? It’s been a long streak of false promises that causes drama like this.

I agree with you, and I'm definitely disappointed that he didn't fulfil his various promises. I think calling him out on it is perfectly reasonable.

But at the end of the day, we always have to remember - its a group buy organized by one dude. It gets overwhelming, especially when things do not go as expected. It only takes a little bit of empathy to see how running a GB can be a rollercoaster of emotions. You queue everything up, order everything, bam - massive shipping delays. Bam, something is off-spec and needs to re-enter the manufacturing queue. Bam, something tripled in price. Just when you think you're finally catching up, bam, something else goes wrong.

And realistically, as participants of GBs, we should know and understand that this is a possibility, and not only just a possibility, but a likely scenario. Most GBs are delayed for one reason or another.

The 'community' in this group buy has been the weirdest in the sense that it has been the most aggressive I've seen in a long time.  It really feels like there are some people here who is trying to incite unrest. It really feels like - and still feels like, there are some people who are just out to get him. Or they're treating the Rukia like an investment and they thought they could make a quick buck reselling it and are upset that it is anything but quick.

In other GBs with delays, the community is generally supportive - "Worry about your own health first", "No worries, it's just a keyboard!", "No one NEEDs this keyboard, take your time to get it right!".

With this, people have been screaming and demanding proof (on discord) that far exceeds what is typically expected way before the original deadlines.

I'm not trying to defend Jaxx's actions or anything. I'm just saying have a bit of empathy because while it is just $400-600 to us (and it is really "just", because anything but "just" is just a bad financial decision, really, it is "just" a keyboard), it's Jaxx's life and livelihood. He's the one sacrificing time, health, and at this point, probably money, to get us our boards. Have a bit of empathy and realize that screaming negativity (not directed at you) does no one any good, and ultimately makes things worse.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: azack on Tue, 21 September 2021, 16:02:33

I get what you are saying but there hasn’t been a single update on the actual keyboards since he posted pictures nearly 5 months ago in early May. In any group buy, you would expect some kind of significant updates after 4-5 months. I personally think that Jaxx hasn’t run off with the money, he just bit off more than he could chew by moving the production in-house and it spiraled out of control. Polycarbonate has high failure rates and taking the manufacturing in-house in the middle of production was likely the wrong call. There are risks for joining a group buy but Jaxx introduced unnecessary risk by taking on the manufacturing himself. Not only that, it’s a bit of a red flag that even Gondo had to speak up and talk about the PCB fitment issues.

I get it. The community loves drama. If Jaxx actually provided weekly updates like he promised a long time ago and said things will be better, there would be less drama. A lot of us have given him multiple chances to earn or keep our trust as a group buy runner. There was even supposed to be a stream of a Rukia R2 being built but that never happened. Where are the owners of the Rukias that were shipped out in May? It’s been a long streak of false promises that causes drama like this.

I agree with you, and I'm definitely disappointed that he didn't fulfil his various promises. I think calling him out on it is perfectly reasonable.

But at the end of the day, we always have to remember - its a group buy organized by one dude. It gets overwhelming, especially when things do not go as expected. It only takes a little bit of empathy to see how running a GB can be a rollercoaster of emotions. You queue everything up, order everything, bam - massive shipping delays. Bam, something is off-spec and needs to re-enter the manufacturing queue. Bam, something tripled in price. Just when you think you're finally catching up, bam, something else goes wrong.

And realistically, as participants of GBs, we should know and understand that this is a possibility, and not only just a possibility, but a likely scenario. Most GBs are delayed for one reason or another.

The 'community' in this group buy has been the weirdest in the sense that it has been the most aggressive I've seen in a long time.  It really feels like there are some people here who is trying to incite unrest. It really feels like - and still feels like, there are some people who are just out to get him. Or they're treating the Rukia like an investment and they thought they could make a quick buck reselling it and are upset that it is anything but quick.

In other GBs with delays, the community is generally supportive - "Worry about your own health first", "No worries, it's just a keyboard!", "No one NEEDs this keyboard, take your time to get it right!".

With this, people have been screaming and demanding proof (on discord) that far exceeds what is typically expected way before the original deadlines.

I'm not trying to defend Jaxx's actions or anything. I'm just saying have a bit of empathy because while it is just $400-600 to us (and it is really "just", because anything but "just" is just a bad financial decision, really, it is "just" a keyboard), it's Jaxx's life and livelihood. He's the one sacrificing time, health, and at this point, probably money, to get us our boards. Have a bit of empathy and realize that screaming negativity (not directed at you) does no one any good, and ultimately makes things worse.

I'm pretty sure people were pretty supportive and nice to jaxx right up till the point he started to tell "lies", gave no updates and ghosted people. You really can't blame people for being "aggressive" to him at this point in time. And kudos to you for still believing everything he has said about the delays :)
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 21 September 2021, 16:13:24

I get what you are saying but there hasn’t been a single update on the actual keyboards since he posted pictures nearly 5 months ago in early May. In any group buy, you would expect some kind of significant updates after 4-5 months. I personally think that Jaxx hasn’t run off with the money, he just bit off more than he could chew by moving the production in-house and it spiraled out of control. Polycarbonate has high failure rates and taking the manufacturing in-house in the middle of production was likely the wrong call. There are risks for joining a group buy but Jaxx introduced unnecessary risk by taking on the manufacturing himself. Not only that, it’s a bit of a red flag that even Gondo had to speak up and talk about the PCB fitment issues.

I get it. The community loves drama. If Jaxx actually provided weekly updates like he promised a long time ago and said things will be better, there would be less drama. A lot of us have given him multiple chances to earn or keep our trust as a group buy runner. There was even supposed to be a stream of a Rukia R2 being built but that never happened. Where are the owners of the Rukias that were shipped out in May? It’s been a long streak of false promises that causes drama like this.

I agree with you, and I'm definitely disappointed that he didn't fulfil his various promises. I think calling him out on it is perfectly reasonable.

But at the end of the day, we always have to remember - its a group buy organized by one dude. It gets overwhelming, especially when things do not go as expected. It only takes a little bit of empathy to see how running a GB can be a rollercoaster of emotions. You queue everything up, order everything, bam - massive shipping delays. Bam, something is off-spec and needs to re-enter the manufacturing queue. Bam, something tripled in price. Just when you think you're finally catching up, bam, something else goes wrong.

And realistically, as participants of GBs, we should know and understand that this is a possibility, and not only just a possibility, but a likely scenario. Most GBs are delayed for one reason or another.

The 'community' in this group buy has been the weirdest in the sense that it has been the most aggressive I've seen in a long time.  It really feels like there are some people here who is trying to incite unrest. It really feels like - and still feels like, there are some people who are just out to get him. Or they're treating the Rukia like an investment and they thought they could make a quick buck reselling it and are upset that it is anything but quick.

In other GBs with delays, the community is generally supportive - "Worry about your own health first", "No worries, it's just a keyboard!", "No one NEEDs this keyboard, take your time to get it right!".

With this, people have been screaming and demanding proof (on discord) that far exceeds what is typically expected way before the original deadlines.

I'm not trying to defend Jaxx's actions or anything. I'm just saying have a bit of empathy because while it is just $400-600 to us (and it is really "just", because anything but "just" is just a bad financial decision, really, it is "just" a keyboard), it's Jaxx's life and livelihood. He's the one sacrificing time, health, and at this point, probably money, to get us our boards. Have a bit of empathy and realize that screaming negativity (not directed at you) does no one any good, and ultimately makes things worse.

Empathy is a two way street.

Jaxx can't demand empathy for his situation without giving empathy for people that gave him money.

It is disrespectful for him to not provide the full story of what happened.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: geohammy on Tue, 21 September 2021, 16:20:28
So people complained that Jaxx wasn't updating enough, which was fair - but the moment he updates, yall **** on him for not giving more?

Except he didn't actually give an update about the board that people bought. He just shifted the blame and played the victim card to buy himself more time. Stop simping for a guy who took tens, even hundreds of thousands of dollars from people and doesn't even have proof the boards exist. This group buy will either ship in 2054 or end up just being a scam, so I would get out if you still can.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Tue, 21 September 2021, 17:19:18
The reality is, there IS NO board. And if there is ever going to be one, it's probably not another year away because clearly, Jaxx has barely even started on anything.

At that point, this board isn't even worth having for the way the group buy patrons have been treated. You'll be owning something forged from a 2 year+ dumpster fire, which isn't exactly good pedigree.

To others, not you because you're hopeless: Stop the disrespect and this nonsense, do all you can to get a chargeback, and get YOUR MONEY back. If the board materializes, buy it then in the year 2030. If not, you have your money and can move on with life and other boards that actually deliver.

Except he didn't actually give an update about the board that people bought. He just shifted the blame and played the victim card to buy himself more time. Stop simping for a guy who took tens, even hundreds of thousands of dollars from people and doesn't even have proof the boards exist. This group buy will either ship in 2054 or end up just being a scam, so I would get out if you still can.


Lol @ people saying the exact same things. But at least some people get it.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: jayiskuhl on Tue, 21 September 2021, 17:25:59

Things are stalled right now for several reasons, including-but-not-limited-to the following:
-2 separate CNC crashes
-shoulder injury
-working overtime on a contract job to fund continuing with Rukia

According to your update, no progress is being made due to these issues. If that is the case, what action is being taken to resolve these issues? Stating the issues with no plan to address them is not beneficial information.

Are we waiting on CNC repairs?

Are we waiting for you to physically recover?

Are we waiting until you work enough overtime to have the funds to complete the group buy?

Do we have to wait until all 3 are resolved for the GB to be fulfilled?

The update creates more questions than it answers.

Any sort of elaboration would be appreciated.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: olsen34 on Wed, 22 September 2021, 00:08:47
Giving "updates" around the time people start doing chargebacks, and most important of all he doesn't address about the chargebacks in the updates. Sus.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: thicthock on Wed, 22 September 2021, 02:48:45
Lets be honest you guys have better chances with the KBDFANS Maja v2 arriving before Jaxx will ever get anywhere with this board.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: yhehdgjs on Wed, 22 September 2021, 06:46:39
Someone is not getting a point here.

People who joined GB are not angry BC it's been delayed. Most of the people understand delays, it happens.
Most of the people in keyboard community understands the process of GB and doesn't easily gets this angry, just because it's being delayed.

We are fxxking angry, because he does not provide a single definitive evidence, that GB is happening.

Have you ever seen a GB that runs for this long, with no regular updates, ghosting and NO DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE?

We are not fxxking angry about delays and the the risk that we have to take as a GB.

This just looks like a scam.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Arithmetics on Wed, 22 September 2021, 11:16:43
Someone is not getting a point here.

People who joined GB are not angry BC it's been delayed. Most of the people understand delays, it happens.
Most of the people in keyboard community understands the process of GB and doesn't easily gets this angry, just because it's being delayed.

We are fxxking angry, because he does not provide a single definitive evidence, that GB is happening.

Have you ever seen a GB that runs for this long, with no regular updates, ghosting and NO DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE?

We are not fxxking angry about delays and the the risk that we have to take as a GB.

This just looks like a scam.

Updates cost $00.00.

Jaxx sees himself as a victim. Every bit of communication is designed to make the reader feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 22 September 2021, 13:05:22


Have you ever seen a GB that runs for this long, with no regular updates, ghosting and NO DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE?



Lyra. Lynx L50. Lumina, Exent maybe
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: mmontess on Wed, 22 September 2021, 18:14:20


Have you ever seen a GB that runs for this long, with no regular updates, ghosting and NO DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE?



Lyra. Lynx L50. Lumina, Exent maybe

You can tell this is a loooooooot of people's first experience with a group buy going poorly, lol
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: singabore on Wed, 22 September 2021, 19:08:22
The reality is, there IS NO board. And if there is ever going to be one, it's probably not another year away because clearly, Jaxx has barely even started on anything.

At that point, this board isn't even worth having for the way the group buy patrons have been treated. You'll be owning something forged from a 2 year+ dumpster fire, which isn't exactly good pedigree.

To others, not you because you're hopeless: Stop the disrespect and this nonsense, do all you can to get a chargeback, and get YOUR MONEY back. If the board materializes, buy it then in the year 2030. If not, you have your money and can move on with life and other boards that actually deliver.

Except he didn't actually give an update about the board that people bought. He just shifted the blame and played the victim card to buy himself more time. Stop simping for a guy who took tens, even hundreds of thousands of dollars from people and doesn't even have proof the boards exist. This group buy will either ship in 2054 or end up just being a scam, so I would get out if you still can.


Lol @ people saying the exact same things. But at least some people get it.

didn't you say you got your chargeback already? why you still in here dawg?

Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: bananathock on Wed, 22 September 2021, 22:08:34

Quote
Updates cost $00.00.

Jaxx sees himself as a victim. Every bit of communication is designed to make the reader feel sorry for him.


Y'all missing the point.. At least arithmetics gets it right. This is the thing right here that's right on the money. All we want is a bit of honesty - either it's done or it's not. This project can still be delayed for xxx years and be written in our will for being the world's last soon-to-be-dead centenarian and still be alright as long as there's transparency.

Quote
"grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand... son / or daughter, i need you to monitor geekhack for rukia r2 updates.. its already been 69 years and 420 days past since jaxx sent us a last update. i leave this in my dying will that you need to read the update. it is imperative that you do."

"but granpappy, we're facing a global crises and with World War V, world's plastic and MCU shortage still prevalent.. im not sure the project is still going on."

"i believe blindly that it is still going on. With the last update sent on year Apollo UC0093 (yes we changed it after World War IV), jaxx still says its going on."


Please guys, no need to side yourself pro or anti or whatever you call this thing attacking each other.. ya'll victims here.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Thu, 23 September 2021, 00:03:11
didn't you say you got your chargeback already? why you still in here dawg?

To help lead infertile, moist individuals like yourself to the light. I pushed for chargebacks, and it worked, and it was the only thing that elicited a response, and our only defense from being scammed blind. There are still lost little sheep in here, like yourself, that I will continue the fight for.

Follow papi and you won't be wrong - because I haven't been AT ALL so far.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: FiddyFathoms on Thu, 23 September 2021, 00:07:28
didn't you say you got your chargeback already? why you still in here dawg?

To help lead infertile, moist individuals like yourself to the light. I pushed for chargebacks, and it worked, and it was the only thing that elicited a response, and our only defense from being scammed blind. There are still lost little sheep in here, like yourself, that I will continue the fight for.

Follow papi and you won't be wrong - because I haven't been AT ALL so far.

D-d-d-d-daaaaamn!!!  :D

But honestly, though, I feel like we should have a poll here for a.) People who want their money back / or have gotten it back, because they know this is a total fail and b.) still thinks this is legit and Jaxx is making hundreds of keyboards with working PCBs... 1.5 years later... with zero proof... and all the SCIFs... and ice cream machines...
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 23 September 2021, 01:01:03


Have you ever seen a GB that runs for this long, with no regular updates, ghosting and NO DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE?



Lyra. Lynx L50. Lumina, Exent maybe

Add Ave, Mech27v2, everything from Woodkeys
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: synthtastic on Thu, 23 September 2021, 08:58:34
didn't you say you got your chargeback already? why you still in here dawg?

To help lead infertile, moist individuals like yourself to the light. I pushed for chargebacks, and it worked, and it was the only thing that elicited a response, and our only defense from being scammed blind. There are still lost little sheep in here, like yourself, that I will continue the fight for.

Follow papi and you won't be wrong - because I haven't been AT ALL so far.
Tell me you’re 13 years old without telling me you’re 13 years old. Go buy Fortnite skins with your chargeback money, fearless leader. I’m quite alright without you fighting for me.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: kiyoboard on Thu, 23 September 2021, 10:18:50


Have you ever seen a GB that runs for this long, with no regular updates, ghosting and NO DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE?



Lyra. Lynx L50. Lumina, Exent maybe

Add Ave, Mech27v2, everything from Woodkeys

Aren't you guys just strengthening yhehdgjs's point? None of them delivered properly or at all. So, technically they weren't GBs, which is what they are claiming in their message.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: XUR on Thu, 23 September 2021, 12:21:30
didn't you say you got your chargeback already? why you still in here dawg?

To help lead infertile, moist individuals like yourself to the light. I pushed for chargebacks, and it worked, and it was the only thing that elicited a response, and our only defense from being scammed blind. There are still lost little sheep in here, like yourself, that I will continue the fight for.

Follow papi and you won't be wrong - because I haven't been AT ALL so far.
Tell me you’re 13 years old without telling me you’re 13 years old. Go buy Fortnite skins with your chargeback money, fearless leader. I’m quite alright without you fighting for me.

Tell me you were one of the "I love rukia" simps without telling me you were one of the "I love rukia" simps. Let me ask you this directly - do you legitimately think this keyboard is being made, 1.5 years later, with zero real updates or proof, and has substantial progress? It's an easy question. Just answer yes or no.

If you do, you have more problems than being stupid with your money. And trust me, I'm not helping you with those problems.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 23 September 2021, 12:42:50


Have you ever seen a GB that runs for this long, with no regular updates, ghosting and NO DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE?



Lyra. Lynx L50. Lumina, Exent maybe

Add Ave, Mech27v2, everything from Woodkeys

Aren't you guys just strengthening yhehdgjs's point? None of them delivered properly or at all. So, technically they weren't GBs, which is what they are claiming in their message.

My intention isn't to strengthen someone else's message, but to add onto the **** pile that is failed GBs. I'm not even mentioning ones that shipped faulty or completely incorrectly which would easily double this list. My intention is to further prove that this way of purchasing product (Gbs) proves to be far too risky for the greater community, and it's leaders do far too little to protect those by insisting to "just trust the runner" and completely shave off any responsibility.

Did you know you have the option to ask the runner to reinvoice at 6 months to continue your protection? If they refuse to that's an easy disputa eand no sweat getting your money back. Charge backing with a CC should be done before a year, and by that point the runner has no excuse not to have production units. This is information and guidelines that should be law that the hobby follows, rather than ending up with multiple disasters like this a yet. Runs like this aren't community focused, they're a business and should be treated as such.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: mmontess on Thu, 23 September 2021, 14:09:13
didn't you say you got your chargeback already? why you still in here dawg?

To help lead infertile, moist individuals like yourself to the light. I pushed for chargebacks, and it worked, and it was the only thing that elicited a response, and our only defense from being scammed blind. There are still lost little sheep in here, like yourself, that I will continue the fight for.

Follow papi and you won't be wrong - because I haven't been AT ALL so far.

cringing into another dimension
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: spartaman64 on Thu, 23 September 2021, 17:20:13
"Things are stalled right now for several reasons, including-but-not-limited-to the following:
-2 separate CNC crashes
-shoulder injury
-working overtime on a contract job to fund continuing with Rukia"

I can't speak for the other stuff but listing CNC crashes as a significant source of delay made me raise my eyebrow a bit. I am a CNC programmer and operator and having 2 CNC crashes (I am assuming he means the physical kind) seems a bit excessive to me since my company has about one every 2 years or so. I do a quick over head check of the g code to make sure everything makes sense. The cam software and the machine both show me simulated tool paths. But maybe it seems he's a bit inexperienced at least with that specific CNC and he's under time pressure so I'll give him a pass on that.

But another thing is there are two kinds of crashes 1. where the tool bit breaks and 2. where the spindle head breaks. Number 1 takes me at most 10 minutes to change out the bit and its fixed. I don't even bother telling my boss about it since its so inconsequential. So given that I'm assuming he's talking about the second kind but that requires a really bad crash. I haven't actually had a crash that bad before. The closest thing we had to it was when an inattentive forklift driver ran into the CNC which as you imagine caused a lot of damage and resulted in bent and sheared metal. The CNC company was able to send a technician the same day but they say it can take up to 2 days. They ordered the parts needed which took around 2 days to get here and they fixed it on the third day. So assuming that both crashes were this kind of catastrophic crash it should have only been like a 2 week delay. Idk maybe haas has worse customer service and take much longer to send technicians but if that was the case I can't imagine them being as popular as they are.
Title: Re: [GB] Rukia - polycarb - round 2
Post by: Ahngel on Thu, 23 September 2021, 18:21:06

Did you know you have the option to ask the runner to reinvoice at 6 months to continue your protection? If they refuse to that's an easy disputa eand no sweat getting your money back. Charge backing with a CC should be done before a year, and by that point the runner has no excuse not to have production units. This is information and guidelines that should be law that the hobby follows, rather than ending up with multiple disasters like this a yet. Runs like this aren't community focused, they're a business and should be treated as such.

This needs to be sent in all current gbs to protect the buyers reminding them that this is geekhack rules. Dont normalize shifting 100% of the risk on buyers