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Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: iMav on Tue, 21 August 2007, 02:42:20
IMHO, the best pointing device EVER is the original Logitech Trackman Marble:

(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/logitechtrackmanmarble.jpg)
The three full-sized buttons is what I love about this trackball.  Right clicking is meant to be done with your ring finger!!  :)

If you MUST have a scroll wheel, then the Logitech Trackman Marble - Wheel is a good alternative (and these, if you can find them, sell for over $200 now days):

(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/logitechtrackmanmarblewheel.jpg)

Unfortunately, the only thing close that is available (to my knowledge) for sale is the latest iteration from Logitech, the current Trackman:

(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/logitechtrackman.jpg)

It's decent, but is not a true three-button device.  (no button for your ring finger unless you squeeze your fingers together)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: iMav on Wed, 22 August 2007, 00:04:05
Logitech Trackman Marble - Wheel (http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-TrackMan-Marble-Wheel-Mac/dp/B00004L8IG/ref=pd_bbs_sr_7/104-7933601-0774318?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1187758653&sr=8-7) USED, for $199.   :shock:

Just one example as to just how popular these are.   :wink:
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: xsphat on Thu, 23 August 2007, 15:12:04
I bought a Razer Copperhead (blue was the only color in stock) and haven't even considered getting a new mouse since. It works in Mac or Windows despite what the package says.

It has on-the-fly DPI adjustment, so in Photoshop or games, I slow it way down, but for cruising the net I bump it up to normal speed.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ashort on Wed, 29 August 2007, 21:30:01
I really liked the original 3 button trackball from Logitech, earlier than the one you present above.  It was far more circular, less football shaped.  Inherited it from a previous employee while working in Atlanta.  When it came time for me to buy a new pointer at home...I bought that 3 button trackball that you present above.  Spoiled me forever from really liking mouses ever again.    

Then I wanted to go wireless so I bought a couple of Logitech wireless trackman marbles.  Essentially the wireless version of the third trackball you show.  I used that model for years...love it!

I've never understood the trackman that you were supposed to point with your index finger.  What was that about?

Now I have a 24" Apple iMac and as innovative as the included Mighty Mouse is, I am considering a return to the wireless trackman marble.  

Why doesn't Logitech:

1.  Pair the trackman marble with any keyboard/pointer package?  (All their wireless packages are keyboard and mouse only).

2.  Sell a bluetooth trackman marble?  Why not Logitech, Why?  A bluetooth trackman marble would make it in my bag in record time.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: iMav on Wed, 29 August 2007, 22:27:12
Quote from: ashort
1.  Pair the trackman marble with any keyboard/pointer package?  (All their wireless packages are keyboard and mouse only).

Well, considering all the Logitech keyboards I've seen SUCK...why would you WANT one?

Quote from: ashort
2.  Sell a bluetooth trackman marble?  Why not Logitech, Why?  A bluetooth trackman marble would make it in my bag in record time.

This would be nice.  However, since I own a Thinkpad, I already have the greatest pointing device invented built in!!  The TRACKPOINT!  :)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ashort on Wed, 29 August 2007, 22:33:27
Quote from: iMav
I already have the greatest pointing device invented built in!!  The TRACKPOINT!  :)


Um, if it doesn't have the words "Trackman Marble" in it, it is not the greatest pointing device invented.  Trackpoint?   PUKE!  That is the absolute worst last resort device.  It is disabled on my Thinkpad and most times, I'll try figuring out the keyboard shortcuts before I enable it.

Until a week or so ago...I had no clue about keyboards sucking or not.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: iMav on Wed, 29 August 2007, 22:43:14
Quote from: ashort
Trackpoint? PUKE!  That is the absolute worst last resort device.  It is disabled on my Thinkpad and most times, I'll try figuring out the keyboard shortcuts before I enable it.

The trackpoint is a pretty divisive, uhhh, device.  You either love it or you hate it.  The hate you  have for the trackpoint pales in comparison to the hate I have for touchpads.  IMO, they are THE crappiest pointing devices ever.  So crappy, that I limited my new Thinkpad purchase to the two models that do no include it...the X-series and the R-series (economy line).

And as far as keyboard shortcuts are concerned...I prefer a keyboard shortcut to reaching for my pointing device regardless of which pointing device that is.  

The beauty of the trackpoint is that you don't have to move your hands from the home row to use it.  Since you are not a touch typer, I guess I can understand not "getting it".  

BTW, you may want to sign the petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/logbttrk/petition.html).  :)
(only a thousand signatures.  no wonder Logitech hasn't made one yet)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ashort on Wed, 29 August 2007, 23:01:58
Petition signed.  :-D
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: iMav on Thu, 30 August 2007, 00:09:02
Basically, I feel the trackpoint is THE greatest integrated pointing device there is.

And...the Logitech trackman marble (post "snail" shape, pre-grey colored) is the greatest external device.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: SigonLegacy on Wed, 05 September 2007, 03:21:33
Funny thing is, my father owns the original Logitech Trackman Marble and he still uses it to this day. I think he'd cry if something ever happened to it.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: xsphat on Wed, 05 September 2007, 03:24:03
Quote from: SigonLegacy
Funny thing is, my father owns the original Logitech Trackman Marble and he still uses it to this day. I think he'd cry if something ever happened to it.


I think all of us here can relate to that.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: iMav on Fri, 07 September 2007, 20:36:09
Quote from: ashort
I really liked the original 3 button trackball from Logitech, earlier than the one you present above.

Like this (http://cgi.ebay.com/Logitech-Trackman-Trackball-Model-4095-NEW-IN-BOX_W0QQitemZ230168369402QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230168369402)???
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ashort on Mon, 10 September 2007, 05:58:42
THAT....is it.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: thedward on Sat, 15 September 2007, 10:55:04
My new favorite pointing device is my Kensington Expert Mouse (http://us.kensington.com/html/2200.html).

(http://www.barsoom.net/images/ExpertMouse.jpg)

I had used various Logitech trackballs over the years, but after my last one died I decided to try something a bit different. It isn't cheap for a pointing device, but I think it is totally worth it. The larger ball gives more control and having four buttons is a nice bonus. The most unusual thing about the device is the scroll ring which is basically like a scroll wheel, but it rotates around the edges of the ball cavity instead of being perpendicular to the top surface. It took some getting used to at first, but now it feels more natural to me.

Ever since I switched to a trackball as a primary pointing device, mice have driven me crazy (and they suck for playing Marble Madness or Neverball (http://icculus.org/neverball/)).
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: iMav on Sat, 15 September 2007, 15:02:53
Quote from: thedward
My new favorite pointing device is my Kensington Expert Mouse (http://us.kensington.com/html/2200.html).

Are you able to use this device effectively for gaming?  I do know someone that plays both FPS games and real-time strategy games with a similar type of trackball...I have never been able to adjust to using one such as this though.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: thedward on Mon, 17 September 2007, 10:53:58
Quote from: iMav

Are you able to use this device effectively for gaming? I do know someone that plays both FPS games and real-time strategy games with a similar type of trackball...I have never been able to adjust to using one such as this though.


I don't play any FPS or RTS games. The only game I've actually played extensively with it is Neverball and for that it is great, but that is admittedly a special case.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bhtooefr on Sat, 01 March 2008, 15:32:58
TrackPoint IV by far. (Not a fan of trackballs, and mice are merely OK, in my opinion.)

And I even play the occasional game of UT2k4 with the TrackPoint in my X61 Tablet.

As for touchpads... I find the one on my iBook tolerable, but I hate moving to the touchpad to move the mouse pointer. The TrackPoint being RIGHT THERE helps a lot.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: iMav on Sat, 01 March 2008, 20:37:29
Quote from: bhtooefr;3310
TrackPoint IV by far. (Not a fan of trackballs, and mice are merely OK, in my opinion.)

And I even play the occasional game of UT2k4 with the TrackPoint in my X61 Tablet.

As for touchpads... I find the one on my iBook tolerable, but I hate moving to the touchpad to move the mouse pointer. The TrackPoint being RIGHT THERE helps a lot.

Agreed.  The trackpoint is THE best integrated pointing device available.

I always drop my thumb down to use trackpads (when I find myself having to use one). That's why I don't get the multi-finger gestures.  You're going to FORCE people to remove their fingers from the keyboard?  That's just ridiculous.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bhtooefr on Sat, 01 March 2008, 21:36:19
Well, keep in mind, many people have a rather mouse-heavy usage style, whereas my usage is keyboard-heavy (but with a need to use the mouse.)

And, how I often use the touchpad on the iBook at home... remove right hand from Model M, move to iBook. ;)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: djones on Mon, 14 April 2008, 19:03:41
I thought the best pointing device was the trackman wheel as iMav asserts in the original posts, but gradually I realized it wasn't such a good to have all that stress on one thumb. Probably my favorite was the big old school kensington trackballs with the the mechanical/metal rollers instead of the new ones which have little plastic points. Also, the thinkpad's trackpoint (http://xkcd.com/243/) with a large dome cap is pretty damned comfortable as well.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ashort on Mon, 14 April 2008, 19:09:42
The whole lot of them give me finger cramps.  And just try doign anything in Visio with them.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: iMav on Mon, 14 April 2008, 20:15:15
Quote from: ashort;3979
The whole lot of them give me finger cramps.  And just try doign anything in Visio with them.

I've done some graphics work with a trackpoint before (and some network diagrams...albeit in Dia, not Visio).  

I wouldn't have a problem using a trackpoint exclusively.  I've never plugged an external pointing device into either of my Thinkpads.  

If the new Mighty Mouse replacement comes with a trackpoint option (with three buttons), I could see myself giving up externals for good.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 14 April 2008, 20:18:37
That's pretty hopeful, iMav. You never know what this thing is going to look like or how the final will spec out. It could still come out and suck.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: iMav on Mon, 14 April 2008, 20:29:45
Quote from: xsphat;3984
That's pretty hopeful, iMav. You never know what this thing is going to look like or how the final will spec out. It could still come out and suck.

Yep.  At this point, I don't know what to expect from them.  I guess I'd be happy with the fit and finish of an Endurapro in a Mighty Mouse form factor.  But I'd like a bit more.  (detachable cable, USB hub, 3 buttons, etc)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: meltie on Mon, 26 May 2008, 15:32:28
Quote from: iMav;9
IMHO, the best pointing device EVER is the original Logitech Trackman Marble:

Show Image
(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/logitechtrackmanmarble.jpg)

The three full-sized buttons is what I love about this trackball.  Right clicking is meant to be done with your ring finger!!  :)

If you MUST have a scroll wheel, then the Logitech Trackman Marble - Wheel is a good alternative (and these, if you can find them, sell for over $200 now days):

Show Image
(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/logitechtrackmanmarblewheel.jpg)


Unfortunately, the only thing close that is available (to my knowledge) for sale is the latest iteration from Logitech, the current Trackman:

Show Image
(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/logitechtrackman.jpg)


It's decent, but is not a true three-button device.  (no button for your ring finger unless you squeeze your fingers together)


I agree that using the middle finger for middle click and the ring finger for right click is the most comfortable way. That's one of the reasons I like my Logitech Wingman Gaming Mouse so much. It still as a scroll ball and all that, a rather ancient piece of technology.

But when it comes to general ergonomics, of the three trackballs you mentioned I prefer the third. It fits my hand best and has a scroll wheel.

I use the Wingman only as a second mouse on my computer, the main one varies but will always have a scroll wheel, since it is rather inconvenient surfing the net without one.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: jemkeys on Mon, 26 May 2008, 16:53:40
My favorite pointing device?  -A mouse.

I don't like the idea of taking my hand off the keyboard, but nothing is as fast or exact as a mouse.  I play FPS games, btw.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 26 May 2008, 16:57:38
Quote from: iMav;3985
Yep.  At this point, I don't know what to expect from them.  I guess I'd be happy with the fit and finish of an Endurapro in a Mighty Mouse form factor.  But I'd like a bit more.  (detachable cable, USB hub, 3 buttons, etc)


sorry iMav, I think you hope for too much. I am just hopeful that they actually release a Mighty Mouse with clicky keys. Anything beyond that would be gravy.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 26 May 2008, 17:41:43
Quote from: bigpook;4879
sorry iMav, I think you hope for too much. I am just hopeful that they actually release a Mighty Mouse with clicky keys. Anything beyond that would be gravy.


I'm expecting a pre-Model M AT style boat with a trackpoint. ;)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 26 May 2008, 18:02:37
Quote from: xsphat;4880
I'm expecting a pre-Model M AT style boat with a trackpoint. ;)

Yeah Baby!

It makes sense, after looking at the unicomp web site, could you expect anything less.... : )

Thanks for the laugh, xsphat
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 26 May 2008, 22:14:31
No prob, Bigpook, that's how I do.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: iMav on Mon, 26 May 2008, 22:39:13
Quote from: bigpook;4879
sorry iMav, I think you hope for too much. I am just hopeful that they actually release a Mighty Mouse with clicky keys. Anything beyond that would be gravy.


"The replacement for the Mighty Mouse with a mouse will be available in 2008 (I hope early in the 2ND QTR).  It will have the same form factor, will be buckling spring and will offer a number of new features which will make it an instant choice of many users."

Same form factor, trackpoint, and buckling springs...PLUS a number of new features.  What else could these unnamed new features be if not things like removable cable, USB hub, etc?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 26 May 2008, 23:03:13
With such bold moves as eliminating black keys in favor of grey, do you even care to guess?

Mind you, one of those new features is most likely Windows keys.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: iMav on Tue, 27 May 2008, 04:00:10
Quote from: xsphat;4884
Mind you, one of those new features is most likely Windows keys.

hahahahahahahaha!!!  (I'm sure you are right though)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bigpook on Tue, 27 May 2008, 19:57:51
Quote from: xsphat;4880
I'm expecting a pre-Model M AT style boat with a trackpoint. ;)


Quote from: xsphat;4884
With such bold moves as eliminating black keys in favor of grey, do you even care to guess?

Mind you, one of those new features is most likely Windows keys.


My god man, you should be a comedian. While I love my unicomp board, you hit the nail on the head.
My expectations have been duly deflated.....sigh.
The only bright spot I see is that it will have buckling springs. Beyond that......
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: iMav on Tue, 27 May 2008, 20:05:34
Quote from: bigpook;4896
My god man, you should be a comedian. While I love my unicomp board, you hit the nail on the head.
My expectations have been duly deflated.....sigh.
The only bright spot I see is that it will have buckling springs. Beyond that......

Now that I own an "old school mighty mouse", I have to say that I will purchase a new one even if the only change is to incorporate buckling springs.  This thing reminds me a LOT of typing on an old Thinkpad (which is, for the most part,an enjoyable experience)  The form factor is great...even thought it isn't quite as compact as the HHKB.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bigpook on Tue, 27 May 2008, 20:28:52
Quote from: iMav;4897
Now that I own an "old school mighty mouse", I have to say that I will purchase a new one even if the only change is to incorporate buckling springs.  This thing reminds me a LOT of typing on an old Thinkpad (which is, for the most part,an enjoyable experience)  The form factor is great...even thought it isn't quite as compact as the HHKB.


The "old school mighty mouse" is rubber dome, right?

I agree with you though, I like the form factor of the mighty mouse, and will most certainly buy one when/if they become available.
It looks to be the closest I will get to the ibm model m space saver, which I am really liking.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: xsphat on Tue, 27 May 2008, 21:08:07
The real joke is that I'm planning on buying one if it's even halfway cool. I do like space saver keyboards, and the buckling springs have grown on me recently. If it comes out and I don't like it, I'll get an EnduraPro. So sure, I do talk some mess, but I'll end up giving Unicomp a piece of cash either way.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: graywolf on Thu, 14 August 2008, 17:59:05
Quote from: iMav;13
Logitech Trackman Marble - Wheel (http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-TrackMan-Marble-Wheel-Mac/dp/B00004L8IG/ref=pd_bbs_sr_7/104-7933601-0774318?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1187758653&sr=8-7) USED, for $199.   :shock:

Just one example as to just how popular these are.   :wink:


Hey, I have one of those! Anyone want to trade a HHKB Pro for it?
Title: Steelseries Ikari
Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 25 September 2008, 06:00:24
Well, I have myself a new favourite mouse - the Steelseries Ikari Laser (http://www.steelseries.com/news/press_releases/steelseries_announces_steelseries_ikari_optical_and_laser_professional_gaming_mice (http://www.steelseries.com/news/press_releases/steelseries_announces_steelseries_ikari_optical_and_laser_professional_gaming_mice))

I got it this morning, its extraordinarily comfortable to use, much moreso than my previous Logitech MX518 which itself was a very well designed mouse. I intend to play some games later on and test its different accuracy settings. Only problem is its cost - it was €60, however they make an optical version which is meant to be cheaper, it just wasnt available on the places I buy from. I'll post further information as I use it more.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: graywolf on Thu, 25 September 2008, 15:39:44
Well, let me weigh in here with my vote. One most of you never heard of, and that was hated by just about everyone. Except me, I wore mine out and when I went looking or a new one they were no longer available.

The Thumbelina Mouse was a tiny trackball that was only a bit more than an inch across. Thats the mouse, not the trackball which was about 3/8 inch. Hold it in your hand and run you thrumb across the ball, or fasten the folding bracket to your keyboard.

Graywolf's second law: If he likes it, it will disappear from the market tomorrow.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Chloe on Thu, 02 October 2008, 18:40:00
My favourite has to be the Kensington Orbit Optical, followed by the Logitech Marble Mouse. I use the Kensington with my left hand and the Logitech with my right. The Orbit would be perfect if it had one or two extra buttons.  

I also have a Kensington Expert Mouse and Wacom tablet but I hardly use either. The Expert is just too big for my hands. I can't use the tablet for long as it triggers my RSI. :(
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bigpook on Thu, 02 October 2008, 19:15:12
I had the Kensington Orbit  but ended up sending it back. While I really liked it, I couldn't get scrolling to work on it. If I could of got it to work I would have kept it. I use the Kensington Expert now and really like it, I could see where it would be a problem if a person had small hands though.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: megarat on Fri, 03 October 2008, 00:10:25
Chalk me up as another Kensington Expert Mouse user.

Although I prefer the tank-like Expert Mice (or more specifically the ADB "Turbo Mice") of old, with the awesome bearings of industrial steel, and heavy enough to dent a firm mattress.

The scroll "ring" is a nice feature, although its action feels really choppy out of the box.  This is because of a magnet inside that causes resistance with metal parts of the ring on the inside of the mouse.  If you open up the trackball case and remove the magnet, the scroll ring works perfectly smoothly.  Highly recommended.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 22 December 2008, 19:25:36
Quote from: iMav;9
IMHO, the best pointing device EVER is the original Logitech Trackman Marble:

Show Image
(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/logitechtrackmanmarble.jpg)

The three full-sized buttons is what I love about this trackball.  Right clicking is meant to be done with your ring finger!!  :)

If you MUST have a scroll wheel, then the Logitech Trackman Marble - Wheel is a good alternative (and these, if you can find them, sell for over $200 now days):

Show Image
(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/logitechtrackmanmarblewheel.jpg)



I saw the those two on Ebay for reasonably cheap. Is there any reason why you'd recommend the non-scroll wheel equipped one over the one with the scroll wheel?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 22 December 2008, 20:04:16
Quote from: ch_123;15866
I saw the those two on Ebay for reasonably cheap. Is there any reason why you'd recommend the non-scroll wheel equipped one over the one with the scroll wheel?


I think you would want the scroll wheel. How else do you scroll through web pages?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: cchan on Mon, 22 December 2008, 20:05:12
Quote from: bigpook;15869
I think you would want the scroll wheel. How else do you scroll through web pages?
You tap the middle button and move the cursor up and down. AutoScroll.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 22 December 2008, 20:12:18
Quote from: bigpook;15869
I think you would want the scroll wheel. How else do you scroll through web pages?


That's what I was thinking :p I was just wondering if by "If you MUST have a scroll wheel" that iMav was implying that the original was better. Unless it was a matter of preference on his part not to have a scroll wheel.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 22 December 2008, 20:33:20
Quote from: Tales;15870
You tap the middle button and move the cursor up and down. AutoScroll.


True that is, and I can do that with my kensington expert mouse. In my case its the top left button. I knew it was there, but tend to use the scroll wheel more. But the auto-scroll is cool.

I still think I would want the scroll wheel/ring though.

What mouse are you using?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 22 December 2008, 20:34:54
Quote from: ch_123;15873
That's what I was thinking :p I was just wondering if by "If you MUST have a scroll wheel" that iMav was implying that the original was better. Unless it was a matter of preference on his part not to have a scroll wheel.


I am sure he will see this post and reply but I am thinking its preference.

Are you using a scroll wheel/ring now?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Tue, 23 December 2008, 06:09:13
Yes, and I get rather annoyed when I have to use a mouse that doesn't have on. I guess it was more a case that I was curious why someone would pick a non-scroll wheel mouse over another :)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bigpook on Tue, 23 December 2008, 07:25:15
Quote from: ch_123;15903
Yes, and I get rather annoyed when I have to use a mouse that doesn't have on. I guess it was more a case that I was curious why someone would pick a non-scroll wheel mouse over another :)


I bought a Kensington Orbit mouse, 2 button track ball ,no scroll wheel. I really liked it but without the scroll wheel I sent it back to newegg.

A month later I ordered it again : ) (yeah, I am a maniac) I really like this mouse. I gave it a go, while I can autoscroll in firefox with it, I need to press and hold both mouse buttons to do it. Sadly, that mouse is in my closet. It would be nice if kensington added a scroll wheel to the Orbit mouse. Like it has for the expert mouse.

I am old enough to remember when mice did not have scroll wheels. We somehow managed. But once you use a scroll wheel, its kind of hard to go without.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Chloe on Tue, 23 December 2008, 07:39:29
Quote from: bigpook;15917
It would be nice if kensington added a scroll wheel to the Orbit mouse. Like it has for the expert mouse.


I'd like this. I remember reading bad reviews of the scroll wheel but it was my favourite feature.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bigpook on Tue, 23 December 2008, 07:44:47
Quote from: Chloe;15919
I'd like this. I remember reading bad reviews of the scroll wheel but it was my favourite feature.

When you say bad reviews I assume they are in reference to the scroll ring on the expert mouse. Some people have said that it is not as smooth as a scroll wheel. And they are right. But the scroll ring that I have works fine. I opened the mouse to take a look at it and the scroll ring is plastic that is resting on plastic. I put a little bit of lubicrant, ( I forget which lubricant I used, and it wasn't a whole lot either) and that seemed to help. Not that it was too bad in the first place. I have been using it for awhile now and its been working out fine.

On another note, its hard to find trackball mice that can be used with either hand. I am a righty yet use the mouse on the left hand side of the keyboard. It just works better for me that way. YMMV.


On yet another note, the expert mouse is quite large, and the trackball is huge. I have fairly large hands and it works real well for me. My wife has very small hands, she tried it once, frowned and basically said "yuck, thats a crappy mouse"
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Chloe on Tue, 23 December 2008, 08:06:09
The main complaint seemed to be the plastic on plastic feel. It isn't like a mouse scroll wheel but I found it worked really well. I switched to trackballs from a graphics tablet so I didn't have a fixed idea of how a scroll wheel should feel. I also found the Expert much too large for my hands, and the buttons too stiff.

Quote from: bigpook
On another note, its hard to find trackball mice that can be used with either hand.


Have you tried the Logitech Marble Mouse? You might find it too small, but it fits my hands really well.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 23 December 2008, 08:39:54
Other than optical/laser technology to get rid of the ball, the scroll wheel is, IMO, one of the best advancements in mouse technology, and the scroll wheels with the side to side tilt are even better.  Foward and back browsing buttons on the thumb are pretty much manditory for me, too.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: lowpoly on Tue, 23 December 2008, 11:39:30
I think there was a fix for the Expert scroll ring somewhere.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bigpook on Tue, 23 December 2008, 15:12:53
Quote from: Chloe;15925
The main complaint seemed to be the plastic on plastic feel. It isn't like a mouse scroll wheel but I found it worked really well. I switched to trackballs from a graphics tablet so I didn't have a fixed idea of how a scroll wheel should feel. I also found the Expert much too large for my hands, and the buttons too stiff.



Have you tried the Logitech Marble Mouse? You might find it too small, but it fits my hands really well.


: ) I have that mouse. And it is a nice mouse. What keeps me on the kensington is that the logitech marble mouse, while it has 4 buttons, the top 2 buttons are too small.
The one on the left(I use the mouse left-handed) is not even usable for me unless I contort my hand.
The nice thing about the kensington expert is that all 4 buttons are nice and big. That and the scroll wheel make it a win for me.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bigpook on Tue, 23 December 2008, 15:13:36
Quote from: lowpoly;15939
I think there was a fix for the Expert scroll ring somewhere.


I read something here about that, something to do with magnets or something. When I had mine apart I didn't see anything like that.
Title: +1 for kensington expert mouse
Post by: lodc on Wed, 24 December 2008, 00:05:41
i've been using the expert mouse for many years, have a couple at home and one at work.  it's not for everyone, but I can't stand to be without it :)  I have given other devices an honest try (including various logitech "little trackball" devices and a microsoft trackball explorer) but nothing compares imho.  I actually prefer a plain old mouse to the little trackballs.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: cmr on Wed, 24 December 2008, 00:27:17
i like a basic optical mouse with a scroll wheel. no side buttons, no tilt buttons etc. logitech and microsoft always seem to have one for around $10.

the only thing i hate more than a touchpad is any sort of trackball. just can't deal with them. if i have to use a laptop pointing device i prefer a trackpoint.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: iMav on Wed, 24 December 2008, 01:49:34
I was going to buy a wireless mouse to try to see if I like them any better...but couldn't find anything decent that was bluetooth.  I thought the Logitech MX Revolution felt great in my hand...but it requires the use of a USB dongle (which is ridiculous).  

What are everyone's favorite bluetooth-enabled pointing devices??
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: lodc on Wed, 24 December 2008, 03:25:50
Quote from: iMav;16027
I was going to buy a wireless mouse to try to see if I like them any better...but couldn't find anything decent that was bluetooth.  I thought the Logitech MX Revolution felt great in my hand...but it requires the use of a USB dongle (which is ridiculous).  

What are everyone's favorite bluetooth-enabled pointing devices??


I have sitting on my desktop a Logitech "MX LASER" M/N M-RBA97 which is Bluetooth.  It looks a lot like the Revolution in shape, a bit less shiny and the left hand side and top are slightly different.  Looks like it would feel very similar in your hand though.  I don't use the thing so I can't tell you much more than that (it was a misguided gift, i only leave it out so that a "special someone" feels appreciated.. hope she doesn't notice it hasn't had a charge in months :) ) .  Good luck.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Chloe on Wed, 24 December 2008, 09:07:39
Quote from: bigpook;15952
: ) I have that mouse. And it is a nice mouse. What keeps me on the kensington is that the logitech marble mouse, while it has 4 buttons, the top 2 buttons are too small.
The one on the left(I use the mouse left-handed) is not even usable for me unless I contort my hand.


The two little buttons are small. I have them mapped to the middle mouse button. When I am using it with my right hand, I only use the left one and the two large buttons.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Chloe on Wed, 24 December 2008, 09:08:21
Quote from: iMav;16027
What are everyone's favorite bluetooth-enabled pointing devices??


I'd like to try Bluetooth but I don't know if it will work on Windows 2000.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bhtooefr on Wed, 24 December 2008, 11:20:39
Most bluetooth dongles either come with a bluetooth stack or let you download one if you have a version of Windows before XP SP2. And, those BT stacks will run on 2000, IIRC.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: lodc on Fri, 26 December 2008, 05:11:33
Quote from: Chloe;15925
The main complaint seemed to be the plastic on plastic feel. It isn't like a mouse scroll wheel but I found it worked really well. I switched to trackballs from a graphics tablet so I didn't have a fixed idea of how a scroll wheel should feel. I also found the Expert much too large for my hands, and the buttons too stiff.


FWIW, the buttons will completely change after a couple months use (well a couple months of my use.. basically they just need a long break in, I'd guess it could be less time for hardcore mouse users).   I've had to break these in at home and at work, and the initial feeling both times was that the buttons were too stiff, however they settle down to a very nice place after a bit.

The feel of the scroll wheel changes after time as well.  I never took any magnets out of either of mine, but both now spin freely and smoothly with just the faintest hint of the notchy action they initially had.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Therac-25 on Sun, 28 December 2008, 09:37:32
Quote from: iMav;16027
I was going to buy a wireless mouse to try to see if I like them any better...but couldn't find anything decent that was bluetooth.  I thought the Logitech MX Revolution felt great in my hand...but it requires the use of a USB dongle (which is ridiculous).  

What are everyone's favorite bluetooth-enabled pointing devices??


I've got that one.  The only reason I got it was because I found it in a half-off sale, and I figured wtf.  

It's "okay".  I wouldn't buy it again if I had the choice.  The middle scroll wheel doesn't behave like anything you've used before.  In X11, this means that I have to resort to 1+2 to make button 3.  They also had vicious qc problems early on -- I ended up taking it back twice to get one that worked properly.  That was nearly 1.5 or 2 years ago or something now?  It's been a while.

For Bluetooth, at least from major vendors, your pickings are slim unless you enjoy some of the abominations that are sold to the Mac market.  I have a budget "Logitech Travel Mouse" that's bluetooth that I use at work that's pretty not bad.  It seems to be out of favour to make bluetooth stuff these days, except for laptop gear.

As for pointing devices, I've had two Microsoft Intellimouse Opticals (both the first and second revisions of them) which I've had for 8+ years.  Not so much because I like the shape, just that every other mouse I've tried in the meantime has died or otherwise failed.

I've been seriously looking at some of the high DPI razer mouse, but after my abominable experiences with their keyboard (and a negative experience with the first run of Razer Boomslangs nearly a decade ago), I'm not sure I'd take the chance unless there was a serious discount.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: andb on Mon, 29 December 2008, 04:09:57
I have a Logiteck Trackman FX, see thumbnail below, which I bought in 2001 I think. Its seen about 4 weeks worth of use. The main problem was the lack of a scroll wheel. I'm curious if these are still popular, I consider it much better than the small ball variants.

But re-reading the thread and remembering that the original drivers support setting one of the buttons to activate page scrolling based on the ball, I think I'll see if I can make something like this work in Linux, if it does, I'd be happy to put this crazy thing back into use. It would definitely look cool next to an unlabled HHKB.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bhtooefr on Mon, 29 December 2008, 07:38:52
andb: If it's got three or more buttons, and you don't mind tying this feature to the middle button, tp-scroll will work beautifully. It may be meant for ThinkPad TrackPoints, but it works on any pointing device with three buttons. (Basically, it makes a middle-drag a scroll. But, unlike the real Windows TrackPoint driver, the middle button is still functional as a middle button.)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Therac-25 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 09:10:16
Quote from: andb;16342
I have a Logiteck Trackman FX, see thumbnail below, which I bought in 2001 I think. Its seen about 4 weeks worth of use. The main problem was the lack of a scroll wheel. I'm curious if these are still popular, I consider it much better than the small ball variants.

But re-reading the thread and remembering that the original drivers support setting one of the buttons to activate page scrolling based on the ball, I think I'll see if I can make something like this work in Linux, if it does, I'd be happy to put this crazy thing back into use. It would definitely look cool next to an unlabled HHKB.


Since you have an HHKB, you can probably enable mousekeys in Gnome (assuming you use it...) and from that you should be able to use something else to get key combinations working as mouse events.

The original intent of this feature is to control the mouse pointer with the numeric keypad.  It enables a generic keyboard -> mouse event mapping system, though, so you can probably easily get a key combination working as a scroll wheel.

Note: I haven't worked out the specifics of this.  This just came up when I was trying to do something with the idiotic XF86Search button on the Logitech MX Revolution -- despite being a mouse button, it comes through as a keyboard event.  Yay for idiocy.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: andb on Tue, 30 December 2008, 06:39:27
What I would really like would be a click to enable scrolling, a click to disable. Holding to activate would drive me nuts. I'll have to google around a bit. Also, yes, I'm currently using gnome, but thinking of moving over to fluxbox, as I need nearly none of the gnome features.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Therac-25 on Tue, 30 December 2008, 06:57:09
Quote from: andb;16600
What I would really like would be a click to enable scrolling, a click to disable. Holding to activate would drive me nuts. I'll have to google around a bit. Also, yes, I'm currently using gnome, but thinking of moving over to fluxbox, as I need nearly none of the gnome features.


I'll investigate the specifics sometime (as I need to fix my "search" key on the mouse), but i meant you should be able to do something like ctrl+meta+somethingorother to scroll up, and ctrl+meta+somethingelse to scroll down.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Therac-25 on Tue, 30 December 2008, 07:36:35
Quote from: webwit;16603
Two modifier keys sounds a bit much.. I also think I'd like to be able to lock it in scroll mode.

I was just making that up as an example.  Assuming this system lets you map arbitrary key commands to arbitrary mouse commands, you could use any keysym -> any button (scroll up and down are typically mouse buttons 4 and 5).

That "lock in scroll mode" should be possible, for varying degrees of "possible".  The challenge with alot of modal stuff like that is making sure you catch the "exit this mode" indicator properly.  It could probably be done at the window manager level fairly easily, depending on your window manager.

I'm going to at least take a look at it tonight to get my middle mouse button generating a mouse event, not a keyboard event.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bhtooefr on Tue, 30 December 2008, 09:22:16
Quote from: Therac-25
The challenge with alot of modal stuff like that is making sure you catch the "exit this mode" indicator properly. It could probably be done at the window manager level fairly easily, depending on your window manager.


Or make it modal in hardware, modeless in software. Cherry makes alternate action switches for a reason. ;)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: joqueza on Tue, 30 December 2008, 23:37:18
Quote from: webwit;16603
I thought about that a while back, because I'm really addicted to scrollwheels, hate it when I have to use scrollbars again. This is also a problem with integrated devices. So for example in this ridiculous imaginary version of lowpoly's great mod, scrolling would be Fn + trackball.

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=362&stc=1&d=1229214023)


I also think I'd like to be able to lock it in scroll mode. Here, the blank bottom right key is my Lock key. Locks shift,
Fn, scroll, etc. (whatever modifier it is pressed with).

P.S. Ring finger should be for scrolling AND middle click, like with modern mice. Unfortunately no such original trackman (is there?), but I'm going to try the one with the wheel.



Sorry to ask, but what keyboard is this? The ball in the middle looks very interesting
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bhtooefr on Tue, 30 December 2008, 23:55:01
It's a photoshop of lowpoly's trackpoint mini keyboard.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: cb951303 on Wed, 31 December 2008, 04:37:05
For people using Linux: X server lets you define an emulated scroll wheel. If you have a 3 button trackball without a scroll wheel when you setup your X with emulated scroll wheel, you press and hold the middle button and scroll with trackball. Really nice feature. Feels better and faster than normal scroll wheels.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Biggs on Sat, 31 January 2009, 12:49:21
Quote from: iMav;16027
I was going to buy a wireless mouse to try to see if I like them any better...but couldn't find anything decent that was bluetooth.  I thought the Logitech MX Revolution felt great in my hand...but it requires the use of a USB dongle (which is ridiculous).  

What are everyone's favorite bluetooth-enabled pointing devices??


ThinkPad Bluetooth Laser Mouse FTW!

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4407 (http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4407)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNSX23yDZ5s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNSX23yDZ5s)

(http://www.tabletpc2.com/Graphics/Other%20Photos/Dads%20&%20Grads%202008/Lenovo%20ThinkPad%20Laser%20Mouse.JPG)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: zwmalone on Sat, 31 January 2009, 21:49:42
(http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/user/tp/tpmouse1.GIF)
This looks awesome, I love the trackpoint!

My all time favorite pointing device is the sadly discontinued Microsoft Trackball Optical which (again sadly) cannot be had for less than $80 :(
(http://i19.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/2f/00/ede5_1.JPG)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bytehead on Tue, 07 April 2009, 09:42:27
Quote from: zwmalone;20463
My all time favorite pointing device is the sadly discontinued Microsoft Trackball Optical which (again sadly) cannot be had for less than $80 :(
Show Image
(http://i19.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/2f/00/ede5_1.JPG)

Wow.  I just picked one up for about $40 off Ebay.  I got it for the wife who is fine with the Logitech version with one exception, she wants the extra buttons.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: huha on Tue, 07 April 2009, 10:49:36
I really like my thinkpad's trackpoint, especially with the quite unpopular soft rim cap. It feels weird at first, but greatly enhances both precision and speed, which is quite important on the 1680x1050 display.
As far as mice go, few things can beat the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 2 (I didn't lilke the Explorer 3).

-huha
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: cchan on Tue, 07 April 2009, 18:43:11
Quote from: huha;27467
I really like my thinkpad's trackpoint, especially with the quite unpopular soft rim cap. It feels weird at first, but greatly enhances both precision and speed, which is quite important on the 1680x1050 display.
As far as mice go, few things can beat the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 2 (I didn't lilke the Explorer 3).

-huha
I like my TrackPoint IV with the normal cats tongue cap. The texture is a bit hard when it's brand new,but it wears down nicely in the first month.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: huha on Tue, 07 April 2009, 18:47:15
Quote from: cchan;27550
I like my TrackPoint IV with the normal cats tongue cap. The texture is a bit hard when it's brand new,but it wears down nicely in the first month.


The cats tongue feels really weird on my Thinkpad (I suppose it's a Trackpoint IV with the Thinkpad being a Z60m), but feels quite well on my Unicomp Endurapro.

-huha
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: cchan on Tue, 07 April 2009, 18:49:28
Quote from: huha;27553
The cats tongue feels really weird on my Thinkpad (I suppose it's a Trackpoint IV with the Thinkpad being a Z60m), but feels quite well on my Unicomp Endurapro.

-huha
I like it on my X60, but it does feel like i hit the cap some when typing. At least more so than the soft cap it came with. But a far more pressing problem is the half-broken spacebar. I need to replace this board because of that damn thing.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: huha on Tue, 07 April 2009, 19:23:33
If it's still under warranty, just call IBM, they'll send you a new keyboard. It can be swapped in a matter of minutes, so that's no big deal.

-huha
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: cchan on Tue, 07 April 2009, 19:46:05
Quote from: huha;27556
If it's still under warranty, just call IBM, they'll send you a new keyboard. It can be swapped in a matter of minutes, so that's no big deal.

-huha
I don't think its under warranty, I picked it up used anyway. A new one is like thirty bucks so that's not a whole lot.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 07 May 2009, 15:00:10
I never really liked my Kensington Expert Mouse when I first got it. Was going to send it back but never got around to it. However, recently I dusted it off and figured out to use it without causing serious pains in my arm :p Now I've been using it almost exclusively over the past week.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: CreamyNutButter on Wed, 22 July 2009, 11:49:39
Quote from: ashort;56977
color=orange]Trackpoint?  [/color] PUKE!  That is the absolute worst last resort device.  It is disabled on my Thinkpad and most times, I'll try figuring out the keyboard shortcuts before I enable it.


I also have a ThinkPad and I hate the TrackPoint. It's terrible for gaming and the rubber cap pops off a lot.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Wed, 22 July 2009, 13:39:03
Quote from: CreamyNutButter;103788
I also have a ThinkPad and I hate the TrackPoint. It's terrible for gaming and the rubber cap pops off a lot.


I'm a massive trackpoint fanboy and I hate them for games too.That said, they're much better than touchpads, and I can use them pretty reliably for FPSs if I have the sensitivity cranked up. But for general purpose use, they're awesome.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Rajagra on Thu, 23 July 2009, 02:36:39
Quote from: CreamyNutButter;103788
I also have a ThinkPad and I hate the TrackPoint. It's terrible for gaming and the rubber cap pops off a lot.


Isn't the point of a trackpoint to supplement a mouse? And for emergencies when you don't have one.

I've avoided them in the past, but think I would love one now that I get the idea.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 23 July 2009, 07:12:18
They're not really an emergency device, they're quite comfortably for things like web browsing. Also the whole idea is that you have quick access to a pointing device while you are typing instead of having to move your hand away to click something.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: DrunkenDonut on Thu, 23 July 2009, 14:52:59
For a lot of these things, implementation is key. I've played around with some really good and really bad trackpoint-like devices as well as trackpads. Both the hardware and software influence how the device feels and tracks. Add inconsistent OS behaviour into the mix and you're in for a ride.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: keyb_gr on Sat, 25 July 2009, 13:34:38
On a Vista-equipped X60t, I preferred the trackpoint to a cheap USB mouse - the latter was too slow even with the speed cranked up all the way. In return there were some aiming problems but I guess a bit more practice would fix that. Don't ask me how that standalone trackpoint mouse was meant to be used though, it makes about zero sense.

Normally I'm quite happy with conventional mice at higher speed setting. Teflon feet sure are handy though.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: CreamyNutButter on Sun, 26 July 2009, 04:51:47
Quote from: Rajagra;103910
Isn't the point of a trackpoint to supplement a mouse? And for emergencies when you don't have one.

I've avoided them in the past, but think I would love one now that I get the idea.


LOL, actually my trackball turned out to be terrible, yet I turned the sensitivity up and the TrackPoint is an awesome FPS device now.  I was completely wrong and I now love the TrackPoint more than any other pointing device.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: timw4mail on Sun, 26 July 2009, 08:30:00
I like my MX 400 the best, followed by this oversensitive monster:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826193039

As far as trackpads go, I like my MacBook's trackpad above my Eee's...even though they both support gestures.

I don't like trackpoints, or trackballs, though. Too strange for me.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 27 July 2009, 23:59:57
The Rosewill looks very comfortable; I sort of wish I had gotten it in lieu of the G5 (damned non-clicky side buttons)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: timw4mail on Tue, 28 July 2009, 07:16:08
Quote from: Hak Foo;104930
The Rosewill looks very comfortable; I sort of wish I had gotten it in lieu of the G5 (damned non-clicky side buttons)

It is comfortable, just WAY too sensitive.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: afton on Wed, 29 July 2009, 19:41:12
I'm using Evoluent VerticalMouse 3 now which takes time to get used to
but it's convenient and doesn't give me wrist pain after extended time using
it, unlike the standard cheapo mouse.

OrthoMouse is on the way and I will post a comparison review later.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Wed, 29 July 2009, 20:04:20
Ever tried a trackball?
Title: At the moment, Deathadder for gaming MX 1100 for text work
Post by: outofideas on Thu, 30 July 2009, 05:58:03
I used an IE 3.0 for years, but finally decided to try and find something new.

I grabbed a Razer Deathadder and a Logitech G9 thinking I'd use one or the other for gaming, and keep using the IE 3.0 for everything else.   But after getting used to the higher DPI mice, the IE 3.0 felt quite sluggish on the desktop.

Both of the new mice were pretty awesome for gaming, but I couldn't get used to the extra pressure needed to click the middle(scroll wheel) button on the G9, so it got sidelined.   However for text work, I loved the G9's free spinning scroll wheel.  Logitech seems to be the only source of free spinning scroll wheel mice, so I tried a few more of their models.

I used a VX nano for about a month, it is very close to good enough.  The small size didn't bother me at all.  The only issue was the middle button being separate from the scroll wheel.   I banished it to the laptop, where the small size mostly offsets the not quite perfect scroll wheel/middle button.  And of course the nano's "nano" receiver is perfect for a laptop, since you can leave it plugged in 24/7 with no risk of snapping it off.

Then I tried a VX revolution, but it didn't do it for me.  The middle button required too much pressure, though not as much as a G9.  And it just didn't feel as nice to use as the nano.

Then I found a deal on the MX 1100, and gave it a try and I'm very happy with it.  Scroll wheel nirvana at last, free spinning, with the wheel acting as the button, and not being too hard to press.  And a tad more DPI than the nano.



more notes on Logitech mice:

I didn't try a MX revolution since it sounded like it's battery tech just wasn't up to par.  It has a non-replaceable li-ion battery, which sounds like it only lasts a few days.  And like all li-ion batteries dies after 3-5 years.

All the other Logitech wireless mice I tried, use easily replaceable AAs or AAAs, which last for months.  I'm using low self discharge NiMH batteries(Sanyo Eneloops) with them, which easily last 2+ months per charge, and are trivial to swap out with freshly charged batteries when needed.

I sort of looked for a bluetooth mice as well.  But I get a vibe that bluetooth has update rate and/or latency issues inherent in the protocol that make it sub-par for mouse performance.   And that's probably why no "great" bluetooth mice exist.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: afton on Thu, 30 July 2009, 06:26:33
Quote from: outofideas;105525

I grabbed a Razer Deathadder and a Logitech G9 thinking I'd use one or the other for gaming, and keep using the IE 3.0 for everything else.   But after getting used to the higher DPI mice, the IE 3.0 felt quite sluggish on the desktop.


the Death Adder has a fantastic DPI but sadly not "ergonomic" for my
hands, hence using an Evoluent now.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: timw4mail on Thu, 30 July 2009, 07:20:13
What is an IE?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: afton on Thu, 30 July 2009, 07:34:31
Quote from: timw4mail;105541
What is an IE?


IntelliMouse Explorer, MS' ergonomic mouse.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Rajagra on Thu, 30 July 2009, 07:45:17
Quote from: timw4mail;105541
What is an IE?

Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer.


It's a shame mice have advanced so much and the alternatives haven't. A modern mouse running at 1000dpi gives very fine control of small movements, yet still allows you to move all the way across dual 1920x1200 displays in one clean movement without stretching. And without any stupid mouse acceleration.

I want a trackball that allows the same. But that means higher resolution sensors than they have today, or bigger balls. Preferably both.

EDIT> My Logitech Trackman Marble (1.5" ball) gives about half the travel I want at a comfortable resolution. So a 3" ball would be just right for me.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Rajagra on Thu, 30 July 2009, 14:02:50
That's getting there. But I'm giving serious thought to building my own trackball out of these (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160347733918) and some mouse parts.

The 50mm one would drop straight into my Trackman Marble FX. And the larger ones would make insane custom trackballs.

I just need some kind of, errrr, bearing to support the 4Kg mass of a 100mm steel ball bearing. :lol:
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Grendel on Thu, 30 July 2009, 14:03:59
Logitech G9. Best mouse I ever used (your milage may vary..)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Rajagra on Sun, 02 August 2009, 16:15:52
A lightweight alternative to a solid steel ball is a gazing globe. I might build a prototype using one of them.

Like this (http://www.kellbot.com/2009/05/life-size-katamari-lives/). But quieter I hope.

I realised that putting a mouse sensor at the bottom of the sphere would cause one of the axes to be inverted, so a trackball will have to be the donor.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3058/2609113023_12130092be.jpg)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Shuki on Tue, 04 August 2009, 22:19:39
My favourite pointing device will always be a mouse. Firstly I do play a lot of online games which leaves no other option. At the moment I use the old version of the razer diamondback. I've bought quite a few mice, and at the moment the optical have the edge over laser. I spend quite a bit of time on forums such as Razer Blueprints which is sort of the mouse equivalent of this website. In fact the communities are kind of similar with many favouring the older Microsoft mice 1.1a ime 3.0 much in the same way there seems to be quite a lot of users who use the Model M.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: CreamyNutButter on Thu, 06 August 2009, 20:08:53
Quote from: CreamyNutButter;104445
LOL, actually my trackball turned out to be terrible, yet I turned the sensitivity up and the TrackPoint is an awesome FPS device now.  I was completely wrong and I now love the TrackPoint more than any other pointing device.


LOL, my trackball also turned out to be fine, I just had to fix an annoying problem with Firefox.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: CreamyNutButter on Thu, 06 August 2009, 20:51:29
I wouldn't really call it "exotic".  It is plain and no-frills, but the design works nicely.  Unfortunately, the middle button does not work, but it doesn't matter to me.  The buttons can be programmed for left handed operation. It also has a speed button to switch between ballistic mode (Full speed-uncontrollable) and normal speed.   It fits my hand quite nicely.  There is absolutely NO software included, so you have to rely on the basic mouse settings area in the Control Panel.  I am guessing that the experience would be similar to a CST trackball except with a smaller mouse and buttons.  I am strongly satisfied overall.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: InSanCen on Thu, 13 August 2009, 17:52:59
At the moment, a Logitech MX-518.

I swapped it for a V-150... Best swap I ever made... (I got the V-150 for £10, this was about £40 at the time IIRC).

As I'm not a huge mouse user, this is just great for me... fits my hand well (6foot3 and hands to match), adjustable resolution, although the forward and back buttons above your thumb do annoy me when I catch them by accident. And no software to install. I hate "unnecessary" processes running in any OS.

It's a pity that Logitech's key-based offerings are piss-poor compared to their mice. Many a time have I nearly been lynched at a LAN for ripping into the G-15.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 14 August 2009, 07:31:28
I'd say that my favorite pointing devices are the trackball integrated into my keyboard and my IBM Trackpoint L40 which I got NIB off of Ebay for 5.95USD.
(http://www.usimperio.com/recycled/product_images/ibm/ibm_trackpoint.jpg)
It was made in 1991 (before the conventional pointing stick was commercially available) and transforms from a mouse to a trackball. It also comes with an amusing owner's manual and a mouse driver for DOS on a 720K floppy.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: shortround on Mon, 31 August 2009, 22:16:51
I really like my Razer Deathadder mouse.  Since all my favorite keyboards have no media keys I simply make up for it with my easily programmable mouse.  Comfy and smooth too.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ironcoder on Tue, 01 September 2009, 02:22:51
My favorite pointing device is no pointing device. Mice and trackballs are the industry's contribution to work-related injuries. I wish we could go back to green screens and text-only interfaces. (yes I use a lot of console apps on *NIX!)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: erricrice on Tue, 01 September 2009, 11:43:21
Logitech G5.
Fits my hand very well and has all kinds of buttons(that way in games you don't have to sacrifice your moving capabilities to switch weapons)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: datamonger128 on Wed, 02 September 2009, 22:32:03
I'm quite fond of my Razer Diamonback 3G and my wireless HP mouse.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Hak Foo on Thu, 03 September 2009, 00:24:16
I bought a G5 after envying my co-worker's G7.

I realize I liked the MX400 it replaced better.  The new G5's side buttons are not tactile.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Thu, 03 September 2009, 20:12:45
-> Logitech G9 (yay for functionality and looks, boo for small hand support surface)
-> Logitech Mx518 (yay for functionality and hand support surface, boo for looks)

Actually Id prefer a Mx518 in black + scroll-wheel with L/R functionality like the G9 has (kinda useful to go forward/backward trough tabs in Firefox etc.)
Well, the Japanese variant of the Mx518 (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=114583&postcount=18) should at least still my visual needs, hope it will arrive soon! >.>
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: timw4mail on Thu, 03 September 2009, 21:34:03
I just got a Razor Salmosa off of Woot. The shape is awkward, but the mouse is really smooth to use.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Fri, 04 September 2009, 04:57:04
When you say 'smooth to use', do you mean in terms of the mouse's tracking or what?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: timw4mail on Fri, 04 September 2009, 08:38:21
Quote from: ch_123;114683
When you say 'smooth to use', do you mean in terms of the mouse's tracking or what?

The tracking and the "glide" of the mouse with its Teflon feet.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Fri, 04 September 2009, 09:43:49
Mhmm. They're quite cheap for a gamers mouse, still would prefer the MX518 though - prefer comfort over glide any day.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: timw4mail on Fri, 04 September 2009, 09:45:53
Quote from: ch_123;114726
Mhmm. They're quite cheap for a gamers mouse, still would prefer the MX518 though - prefer comfort over glide any day.

Too bad I can't put the sensor and feet in my MX400, that would be an amazing mouse.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: cherrybomb on Fri, 04 September 2009, 21:13:15
I like the Kensington Expert Mouse, although I do wish it had a better wrist support and the "heft" of the old Turbo Mouse.
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Post by: o2dazone on Sat, 05 September 2009, 02:22:15
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Post by: Meyvn on Fri, 11 September 2009, 17:43:11
My favorite by far is this:

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Revolution-Cordless-Laser-Notebooks/dp/B000HCRVUS

Logitech VX revolution.

It's just got precisely the right button combinations for me.  My only beef is the horizontal scrolling is very poor, but I never use that on other mice anyway, because 90% of websites I visit are designed to fit on a 1024x768 screen.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: hyperlinked on Fri, 11 September 2009, 17:58:58
Quote from: ironcoder;113578
My favorite pointing device is no pointing device. Mice and trackballs are the industry's contribution to work-related injuries. I wish we could go back to green screens and text-only interfaces. (yes I use a lot of console apps on *NIX!)


The kind of mouse you pick and how you use it can have a big effect on your risk of developing injuries. I use a Razer Diamondback constantly and my mouse hand never hurts. It's my keyboard hand that's bothering me.

A lot of mice have two really bad design flaws.

1) Awkward shape that turns it into a palm rest or a shape that reduces the biomechanical leverage of your fingers to push buttons

2) Buttons that are too stiff and lead to soft tissue strain when pressed repeatedly

Some of the so called "Ergo" mice are big offenders because they're made to "cradle" your hand and support it. That's not what you need.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Fri, 11 September 2009, 18:11:33
What do you need then? (asides from soft-ish buttons)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: rdjack21 on Fri, 11 September 2009, 22:09:57
Quote from: ch_123;117149
What do you need then? (asides from soft-ish buttons)

Oh man I could not resist. What you need is a Logitech TrackMan wheel great cheap trackball. Love them.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Shuki on Fri, 11 September 2009, 22:27:37
Quote from: TheSoulhunter;114587
-> Logitech G9 (yay for functionality and looks, boo for small hand support surface)
-> Logitech Mx518 (yay for functionality and hand support surface, boo for looks)

Actually Id prefer a Mx518 in black + scroll-wheel with L/R functionality like the G9 has (kinda useful to go forward/backward trough tabs in Firefox etc.)
Well, the Japanese variant of the Mx518 (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=114583&postcount=18) should at least still my visual needs, hope it will arrive soon! >.>


Where did you find someone to deliver?
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Post by: hyperlinked on Fri, 11 September 2009, 23:37:35
Quote from: ch_123;117149
What do you need then? (asides from soft-ish buttons)

I assume you were asking me about what to look for in a mouse?

It's not necessarily how soft the buttons are to push, though that can be important too. It's how the shape of the mouse allows you to push them. I think Logitech makes some of the worst mice you could waste your money on. The cool "ergo" shape makes for nice place to rest your hand, but encourages you to position your hand in a way that makes your fingers biomechanically inefficent for pressing a button and that means more strain on your tendons and muscles.

Think about the way you type. Try two finger typing with both of your index fingers fully extended. I'll bet your fingers get sore pretty quickly. A lot of mice have their buttons placed in a way so that you have to press them with your fingers in a near extended state. I own one of their earlier Logitech Laser MX mice and besides its awkward shape, the buttons are far too stiff. Perhaps the overall design has improved, but they seem to be rather fond of making mice inspired by SUVs.

For your average user, those mice are fine. They're actually pretty good mice that have awkward ergonomics. If you don't do design work or you're not a FPS gamer, they're fine, but if you use your mouse as a high precision pointing device because your work  or play depends upon it, you'll have two problems. You have far more control over a mouse if you use your fingertips to move it around instead of using your whole wrist. The big mice become difficult to use this way. Low profile gaming mice like the Razer series allow you to comfortably use your mouse whether you're lazily steering it with your wrist or going for fine movements with just a couple of fingers and the buttons remain comfortable to press both ways.

I came to realize how crappy the big ergo mice were a few years ago when I was just starting my business and had a lot of 16 hour days. By the end of the day, I actually could not click and hold the button on my Logitech MX laser. I simply did not have enough finger strength left to hold the mouse button down longer than a few seconds after a long day.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: hyperlinked on Sat, 12 September 2009, 00:44:29
Quote from: ripster;117191
I'm not going to wade into the is "proper size" debate but will say I like the VX Nano for laptop use.  I know some people like it for desktop use as a smaller VX Revolution.

Great trick, but is there a Ripometer adapter for one of these?
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=logitech+mx+laser&cid=9685819442196030631&sa=title#p

BTW, I didn't mean to pan all Logitech mice. I was a bit quick to give them short shrift. I haven't shopped for a mouse in a while and I seem to remember all the Logitechs had the same "cool" shape, but upon more detailed and current review, they have some more functionally shaped mice as well.

I'm not panning fans of large mice either, it's just that some of the larger mice have very awkward shapes for marathon days at the desk. The bulky Logitech MX style mice are meant to be gripped a certain way. A good mouse is any mouse that you can comfortably use in different ways for extended periods of time.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 12 September 2009, 02:56:55
Sounds like it could be worth your time trying a trackball. Ironically, the one which I think is the most comfortable to use is made by Logitech... (Trackman Wheel)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: hyperlinked on Sat, 12 September 2009, 05:52:39
Quote from: ch_123;117216
Sounds like it could be worth your time trying a trackball. Ironically, the one which I think is the most comfortable to use is made by Logitech... (Trackman Wheel)

I have one in the closet that I used to pull out if my right hand ever started bothering me, but I haven't had any problems using a mouse since I switched to a Razer mouse around three years ago. I also can't imagine doing graphics design using a trackball.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sat, 12 September 2009, 09:01:43
Quote from: Shuki;117181
Where did you find someone to deliver?
Check out the link (http://benippon.com/en/catalogsearch/result/?q=Logicool+MX-518) in the linked post (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=114583&postcount=18) from my post you quoted (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=114587&postcount=126)... ;D
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Post by: Shuki on Sun, 13 September 2009, 08:13:41
Quote from: TheSoulhunter;117255
Check out the link (http://benippon.com/en/catalogsearch/result/?q=Logicool+MX-518) in the linked post (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=114583&postcount=18) from my post you quoted (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=114587&postcount=126)... ;D


Oh lol I missed that. I totally lose track of some threads. I'll order it tonight :D
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: timw4mail on Sun, 13 September 2009, 15:26:00
I am really liking a new mouse I've got: a Razer Salmosa. It's a mouse that you basically have to use with a fingertip grip to use comfortably. I've basically switched from a palm grip to a fingertip grip with this mouse, and I've found it very comfortable, although it's still weird for me to have my middle finger specifically for the scrollwheel...as I got used to using my Index and Middle fingers on mice before scroll wheels were very common...

I'm one of those strange people who doesn't mind a trackpad...although if I had a choice I would go for a discrete mouse over a trackpad. I can't stand trackpoints...as I find them way too small for my use. I like gestures on trackpads...I find that page up and page down are way too imprecise for scrolling through webpages, and two finger scroll makes a lot of sense to me.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: AndrewZorn on Sun, 13 September 2009, 16:04:40
i 'just' (weeks ago) got a G9 because it was $20, had a MX518 that did NOT need replacing.  i laughed at first at the option for a free-spinning scroll wheel, but wow, how did I get by without this before?  i change it to click for games but when I'm done and then try to scroll browsing the internet, i feel it and scoff at its primitive resistance.  the thing spins forever.  i just tap it up or down and it basically covers the whole page until i stop it again or it coasts to a stop (on really long pages)

other than that it's hardy different than the mx518.  the shape of it suits the way i hold mice a little more, though... and not needing the logitech software installed to use custom DPI is NICE (you have to have customized it at one point before, but after the format or uninstall...).
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Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Wed, 23 September 2009, 18:48:36
This is my favorite pointing device:




It is very interesting the way it can change from mouse to trackball.  My friend has one also.
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Post by: bigpook on Wed, 23 September 2009, 19:21:26
Is that a 4 button trackball?
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Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 24 September 2009, 07:21:29
Quote from: bigpook;120158
Is that a 4 button trackball?

And a mouse.  It defies logic.
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Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 24 September 2009, 10:14:53
What's stopping you from accidentally pressing the 'mouse' buttons when using it as a trackball?
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Post by: hyperlinked on Thu, 24 September 2009, 11:39:57
Quote from: ch_123;120263
What's stopping you from accidentally pressing the 'mouse' buttons when using it as a trackball?


From the picture, it looks like the bottom expands out to cause the buttons and the ball to recede into the case.
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Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 24 September 2009, 11:51:47
Quote from: hyperlinked;120269
From the picture, it looks like the bottom expands out to cause the buttons and the ball to recede into the case.

Because of this, it looks awfully uncomfortable to use as a mouse.  It's a neat idea nonetheless.
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Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 24 September 2009, 11:53:29
No, I meant the other way around... I see the way the bottom can expand out to cover the trackball buttons when it's being used as a mouse. I was referring to when it's being used as a trackball. The buttons seem to be pressing directly against the desk...
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Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 24 September 2009, 11:56:03
Oh, 10-4, I got you now.  Yeah, you're right.  It does look like you'd be pressing the mouse-side buttons in trackball mode.
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Post by: Rajagra on Thu, 24 September 2009, 12:39:10
They could have used mercury switches to disable whatever buttons were pointing down, but I suspect they took the simpler approach and made you push the buttons below surface level to activate them.
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Post by: 1839cc on Thu, 24 September 2009, 12:43:52
I have a Logitech Trackman Wheel (wired) and I love it. I had no "adjustment period" it has always been intuitive for me.

I can't seem to find a resolution spec for it anywhere though. Does anybody here know?

EDIT: According to an old review I just found it's supposed to light up. Mine never has, since new! Weird.
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Post by: Rajagra on Thu, 24 September 2009, 17:52:59
Quote from: webwit;120367
I haven't seen this trackman before.

Now taking bets.
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Post by: Rajagra on Thu, 24 September 2009, 18:07:18
I doubt it looks as bulbous in real life. It would be very uncomfortable if it were. Like a topless model who's overdone the implants, if it's too big for your hands then what's the point?

Just to prove the point (no pun intended)...


Try not to have nightmares.

Edit> If the rumours are true, this model is also available for free pickup. :laugh:
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Post by: rdjack21 on Thu, 24 September 2009, 21:40:47
Ripster I think you have decided to keep those Lego's. You keep coming up with new ones pretty much everyday.
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Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 25 September 2009, 07:53:57
I think it might be time to reconsider this whole retirement thing, ripster.  There seems to be an issue in productively using your time.
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Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 25 September 2009, 09:48:41
his wife goes to work and he stays home to play with his legos ;-D
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: d2v on Mon, 05 October 2009, 11:57:20
Lately, I have been toying with mousekeys using the number pad, instead of moving over to the mouse. I cranked it to full speed and full acceleration, with Ctrl and Shift modifier options for speed up and slow down. How is your experience with mousekeys, lads ?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: hyperlinked on Mon, 05 October 2009, 12:56:45
Quote from: d2v;123124
Lately, I have been toying with mousekeys using the number pad, instead of moving over to the mouse. I cranked it to full speed and full acceleration, with Ctrl and Shift modifier options for speed up and slow down. How is your experience with mousekeys, lads ?


Wow! I haven't used the keyboard to control the mouse since I had an Atari ST! It was very useful back then given that sometimes and sometimes you'd have a joystick plugged into the mouse port and it was really really hard to unplug and plug accessories in the early Atari STs. It sometimes took over a minute to wiggle one of those Atari 2600 style joystick plugs into an empty port and get a good enough fit so that it was recognizec by the computer.

A strange part of using the keyboard for mousing on the ST was that you got computer generated clicks whenever a key was repeated so you'd be moving the mouse around to the sound of "cleek cleek cleek cleek cleek..."
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Post by: Rajagra on Mon, 05 October 2009, 17:58:16
Quote from: d2v;123124
Lately, I have been toying with mousekeys using the number pad, instead of moving over to the mouse. I cranked it to full speed and full acceleration, with Ctrl and Shift modifier options for speed up and slow down. How is your experience with mousekeys, lads ?


I bet more people would use it if MS explained how it bloody worked! I've always meant to learn it but been put off by its funny behaviour.

The good old BBC comes to the rescue (http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/win/keyboard/mouse_easy/numberpad/mouse-numpad-xp.shtml)!...


Now I just need to work out why the Alt-Shift-NumLock toggle has no effect, and how to use it with tenkeyless boards.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: d2v on Mon, 05 October 2009, 20:12:40
Quote from: Rajagra;123239
I bet more people would use it if MS explained how it bloody worked! I've always meant to learn it but been put off by its funny behaviour.

The good old BBC comes to the rescue (http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/win/keyboard/mouse_easy/numberpad/mouse-numpad-xp.shtml)!...


Now I just need to work out why the Alt-Shift-NumLock toggle has no effect, and how to use it with tenkeyless boards.


I'm sure more people could benefit from using it. Perhaps we can create an article on GH wiki, explaining how to use it. What say ?

Regarding the tenkeyless boards, I am not sure how it will work. It surely doesn't work on my laptop keyboard (which has the Fn key and the number pad printed on 7890-uiop-jkl;-m,./ keys )
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Post by: Rajagra on Mon, 05 October 2009, 20:40:29
Mousekeys works on my TypeMatrix 2030. And my Cherry G84-4100.
Also works on my Realforce 87U, though I need to configure it to use Mousekeys when NumLock is *On* because of how the numpad is enabled.

It doesn't work with AutoHotkey simulating the numpad, although AHK has its own ways of moving the mouse I believe.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: konz on Wed, 14 October 2009, 15:27:35
I used MouseKeys on and off, sometimes quite a lot, before switching to Datahand.

There is an explanation in (Windows XP) Help and Support Center, type MouseKeys in the search box.  However, it is pretty mangled since it, like most of the material in Help and Support Center, was automatically extracted from .hlp/.chm files.  I once managed to open the original file, but have totally forgotten how.

In any case, the eight keys surrounding the 5 button move the mouse in the corresponding direction.  Clicking is accomplished by pressing 5, double-clicking is +. For selecting and dragging, button make is 0, button break is . (period).  There is some internal state that determines which mouse button is currently mapped these keys, initialized to left button.  This state is changed to right button with -, to both buttons with *, and back to left button with /.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: d2v on Fri, 16 October 2009, 10:41:26
I am now using mousekeys for all casual browsing and light clicking work (office apps). The only time I need to use a mouse is when I use the meshing software at work, which involves precise clicking and selection (much like the photoshop).
I have noticed that most of the daily clicking is left button alone, very rarely does one have to select right click (quite clumsy, as we are used to mice).
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: d2v on Fri, 16 October 2009, 11:13:49
Quote from: webwit;126000
I use the mouseless browsing extension for Firefox which is even better.


You mean, vimperator ?

EDIT: Ah, I see it. It is Mouseless Browsing (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/879) that you were referring to. Looks useful. Does it work similar to what Lotus Notes does when you press Alt ? (i.e. show numbers for every link on the screen)
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Post by: d2v on Fri, 16 October 2009, 12:20:18
Quote from: webwit;126051
I don't know. The first and last time I used Lotus Notes was 14 years ago. Why won' t it die?


IBM are the masters of the lock-in strategy. Probably inspired the likes of Microsoft.
Lotus Notes seems like a great idea in theory... its the implementation that has given it the reputation.
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Post by: RFJunkie on Tue, 20 October 2009, 06:31:33
Wolf King Trooper gaming mouse.

I use it for CAD/CAM,  but its the most comfortable mouse I have found so far.
I can sit and use the computer at work for 8 to 10 hours programming and drawing parts for the CNC machines without my had falling asleep, like it used to with the cheap crap the IT guy there would get us to use.(OEM Microsoft).. Seems like if you want something good to use, you have to go and get it yourself.

The adjustable DPI is a plus too.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: d2v on Tue, 20 October 2009, 10:05:08
Quote from: RFJunkie;127140
Wolf King Trooper gaming mouse.

I use it for CAD/CAM,  but its the most comfortable mouse I have found so far.
I can sit and use the computer at work for 8 to 10 hours programming and drawing parts for the CNC machines without my had falling asleep, like it used to with the cheap crap the IT guy there would get us to use.(OEM Microsoft).. Seems like if you want something good to use, you have to go and get it yourself.

The adjustable DPI is a plus too.

Consider yourself lucky, my workplace won't even allow me to use outside peripherals. I too sit 8-10 hours doing detailed CAE work everyday.
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Post by: mike2h on Tue, 20 October 2009, 12:29:24
steelseries ikari laser.
 best mouse ive ever owned-& that is actually saying someting:).
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: J888www on Wed, 21 October 2009, 05:45:31
Since we all have different needs and different opinions, maybe someone with enough spare time can start a Listing for everyone to submit their favourite Pointing Device, only ONE vote per Member allowed. Then we can keep count as to THE most popular, rodent/  sphere etc etc etc.
   Maybe a Listing of our current favourite Keyboard would also be interesting.
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Post by: d2v on Wed, 21 October 2009, 10:46:48
Quote from: J888www;127343
Since we all have different needs and different opinions, maybe someone with enough spare time can start a Listing for everyone to submit their favourite Pointing Device, only ONE vote per Member allowed. Then we can keep count as to THE most popular, rodent/  sphere etc etc etc.
   Maybe a Listing of our current favourite Keyboard would also be interesting.


Well, the favourite pointing device keeps changing with new arrivals. So, the items on the list will have to change with time. Just a thought.
EDIT: I think that holding such a poll periodically (something like twice per year) is more realistic.
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Post by: timw4mail on Fri, 23 October 2009, 08:21:15
Well, I just got a CH DT225, and I'm pleasantly surprised how precise it is for an electromechanical mechanism.

And just for fun, I decided to try to play Mirror's Edge with the DT225, and, in some ways, it actually made the game easier. I'm still trying to adjust to the difference in the way the trackball accelerates the cursor, though.
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Post by: PRISONER 24601 on Mon, 26 October 2009, 02:15:33
1. Logi G3
2. Logi G5
3. Diamondback

I like the G3 more. It has the shape of an old school Logitech, it's smaller than the Razer, and it's got back/forward buttons on the R/L sides of the mouse (something that I just prefer)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 29 October 2009, 08:01:17
I'd say that the Microsoft Serial mouse is one of the best mice ever made. They last virtually forever and are very well-built. They also have just two simple buttons, no bells and whistles. Those Microsoft mice are basically high-quality mice that just get the job done and they do it well.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 29 October 2009, 10:19:43
Quote from: microsoft windows;129029
They also have just two simple buttons, no bells and whistles.


Yep, and I'm sure I could survive on two buttons if I used Windows 95 too!
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: timw4mail on Thu, 29 October 2009, 10:20:45
Quote from: ch_123;129087
Yep, and I'm sure I could survive on two buttons if I used Windows 95 too!


If you talk about the lack of buttons needed, OS X wins by default.
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Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 29 October 2009, 10:21:46
As usual, you're completely missing the point.
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Post by: timw4mail on Thu, 29 October 2009, 10:38:08
Quote from: ch_123;129089
As usual, you're completely missing the point.


Of course.
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Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 29 October 2009, 14:36:42
Thank you for that truly profound insight...
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Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 29 October 2009, 14:46:15
I use Windows 2000 everyday with two buttons.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 29 October 2009, 15:37:48
I know. The rest of us have moved on already...
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 29 October 2009, 18:37:10
Moved on to what? Bloated, less reliable versions of Windows that cost hundreds of dollars?

Personally, I'd rather stick with the operating system that has never crashed on me in over 2 years. It works fast and just gets the job done. Windows 2000 is also just old enough not to have all the anti-piracy hassles XP and newer have, but new enough to have just about all modern software compatible with it.

Windows 2000 is a very well-made operating system. I have no plans on "moving on" any time soon.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 29 October 2009, 18:43:54
Windows 7 is by far the most reliable version of Windows I've ever used, and I've had extensive experience with pretty much all of them. Sure it's bloated, but that's what you get for using Windows...

What horrifies me most about the thought of a two button mouse is web browsing. I'm sure I was able to survive back in the day without a scroll wheel and a quick way to open tabs (middle button) but it's definitely not an experience I would like to repeat.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ds26gte on Thu, 29 October 2009, 22:14:48
Quote from: timw4mail;129088
If you talk about the lack of buttons needed, OS X wins by default.


Why do mice need even the one button?  The mouse could be used to solely move the cursor, an activity that is currently not kinesthetic enough on modern keyboards.  However, I see no particular convenience in attaching clicking and dragging to the mouse rather than to the keyboard.  I find it rather pleasant to use my trackball as a zero-button device (with my left hand) and Mouse Keys for clicking.  

A pointing device that just points may allow for considerably more freedom in its ergonomic design: no pesky button areas to allocate, and all parts of the hand in contact with the device can be commandeered for making it point.
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Post by: timw4mail on Fri, 30 October 2009, 07:07:14
Quote from: ds26gte;129314
A pointing device that just points may allow for considerably more freedom in its ergonomic design: no pesky button areas to allocate, and all parts of the hand in contact with the device can be commandeered for making it point.


Who are you, Steve Jobs? (I mean the no-button, thing)

Most people would balk at the idea of having to use two hands in order to just do a left click. Honestly, it's not that big of a deal to have a one-button mouse in OS X, because you really don't use right-click that often.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 30 October 2009, 07:13:36
Quote from: ch_123;129282
Windows 7 is by far the most reliable version of Windows I've ever used, and I've had extensive experience with pretty much all of them. Sure it's bloated, but that's what you get for using Windows...

What horrifies me most about the thought of a two button mouse is web browsing. I'm sure I was able to survive back in the day without a scroll wheel and a quick way to open tabs (middle button) but it's definitely not an experience I would like to repeat.

I have almost never used anything other than a standard two-button mouse (or the trackball on my M5-2 but it acts as a standard mouse) for web browsing.

When I want to use tabbed browsing, I use Firefox and either press Ctrl+T for a new tab or click on the New Tab button. If I want to scroll, I just use the arrow keys, PgUp, PgDn, Home, and End. It's actually much faster than using a scroll wheel.
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Post by: ds26gte on Fri, 30 October 2009, 08:22:15
Quote from: timw4mail;129335
Who are you, Steve Jobs? (I mean the no-button, thing)

Most people would balk at the idea of having to use two hands in order to just do a left click. Honestly, it's not that big of a deal to have a one-button mouse in OS X, because you really don't use right-click that often.


If a buttonless trackball is attached under a desk, say, you should be able to move it with the knee or side of leg to position the cursor.  The hands don't need to leave the keyboard.  One can already experiment with this notion by placing a contemporary symmetric trackball on the floor and rolling it within its acetabulum using one's (clean) heel.  While you can develop a fine kinesthetic sense for cursor positioning, using the foot (or toes) to also manipulate the buttons is demonstrably tedious -- and luckily unnecessary, given the hands on the keyboard.
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Post by: ch_123 on Fri, 30 October 2009, 08:35:30
Quote from: microsoft windows;129338
When I want to use tabbed browsing, I use Firefox and either press Ctrl+T for a new tab or click on the New Tab button. If I want to scroll, I just use the arrow keys, PgUp, PgDn, Home, and End. It's actually much faster than using a scroll wheel.


I meant the tab thing in relation to opening a link in a new tab. Sure I could right click, move the mouse then select 'Open in New Tab', but that's just slow. And as with the scroll wheel, I find it alot more precise than using keyboard buttons.

My point is that unlike keyboards, mice are getting better and more useful as time goes on. I really can't see any way in which an old MS two button mouse is better than even a basic contemporary model, but I can see loads of ways in which it is worse.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: timw4mail on Fri, 30 October 2009, 09:03:08
Quote from: ds26gte;129355
If a buttonless trackball is attached under a desk, say, you should be able to move it with the knee or side of leg to position the cursor.  The hands don't need to leave the keyboard.  One can already experiment with this notion by placing a contemporary symmetric trackball on the floor and rolling it within its acetabulum using one's (clean) heel.  While you can develop a fine kinesthetic sense for cursor positioning, using the foot (or toes) to also manipulate the buttons is demonstrably tedious -- and luckily unnecessary, given the hands on the keyboard.


I think most interface options are a little too precise to make that kind of setup practical. The mouse was developed to be moved with the hands, because that's where the most fine motor control usually exists.
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Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 31 October 2009, 12:54:42
Quote from: ch_123;129356
I meant the tab thing in relation to opening a link in a new tab. Sure I could right click, move the mouse then select 'Open in New Tab', but that's just slow. And as with the scroll wheel, I find it alot more precise than using keyboard buttons.

My point is that unlike keyboards, mice are getting better and more useful as time goes on. I really can't see any way in which an old MS two button mouse is better than even a basic contemporary model, but I can see loads of ways in which it is worse.


I never knew of that little middle click shortcut. I got an old 3-button mouse lying around so I'll have to try that.

With scrolling on the keyboard, I bet it takes some getting used to, just like a mouse's scroll-wheel.

The older Microsoft Serial mice aren't the prettiest in the world and they don't have all the features in the world, but they are far superior in quality and comfort (at least for my hand) to a basic contemporary mouse. In my eye it is like comparing a Model M to a modern rubber-dome multimedia keyboard. The Model M doesn't have Windows keys, keys which run functions in your internet browser, or keys which adjust the volume, but it's a very well-built product with a good feel.
This doesn't mean that all new mice are junk though. There are many very high-quality ergonomic mice out there which I'd definitely find to be better than an old serial mouse. Just like high-end keyboards which outdo the Model M. But for a cheap old mouse, the Microsoft Serial Mouse is excellent.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: PRISONER 24601 on Fri, 06 November 2009, 17:27:02
Quote from: ripster;129366
Gawd I love trackballs.  They are hilarious.

Warning, NSFW! - Linky. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L37uZDdeeAY)


*looks at related videos panel*

my... god :fear:
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 29 November 2009, 12:17:03
Quote from: microsoft windows;109695
I'd say that my favorite pointing devices are the trackball integrated into my keyboard and my IBM Trackpoint L40 which I got NIB off of Ebay for 5.95USD.
Show Image
(http://www.usimperio.com/recycled/product_images/ibm/ibm_trackpoint.jpg)

It was made in 1991 (before the conventional pointing stick was commercially available) and transforms from a mouse to a trackball. It also comes with an amusing owner's manual and a mouse driver for DOS on a 720K floppy.


I've seen a few of these on eBay going for next to nothing. I'm going to get one for the lulz.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 29 November 2009, 13:09:45
Mine was never opened and it came with the manual and everything. They're a neat piece of computer history and go well with my machines. I use the program that came with it on my DOS computer so I can use a mouse in all the programs.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 29 November 2009, 13:14:52
At my workplace, there's a big box that a whole PS/2 computer system came in. I hope to get it and use it for storage.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 29 November 2009, 13:23:21
I like that old IBM. Is it hooked up to your PS/2?
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Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 29 November 2009, 13:33:21
I like those IBM PS/2 mice. Wouldn't pay for one though... I'd say I'll stumble across one in a skip some day.

I just got that Trackball/Mouse for a princely sum of €13, including shipping across the Atlantic.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 29 November 2009, 13:38:41
I mean the 001 one that you showed above. I bought an L40 Trackball/Mouse an hour ago.
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Post by: watduzhkstand4 on Sun, 29 November 2009, 13:42:15
I just ordered that IBM Trackball/mice and and I can't wait! I've been wanting to get one of those Kensington Trackballs but didn't want to spend $60+ on one.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 29 November 2009, 13:44:53
I must say, the Expert mice are worth it. Real great all-rounders, and not as prcey as some of the fancier models.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 29 November 2009, 14:22:49
Quote from: webwit;137210
I scored one of those newer PS/2 IBM mice once, with this computer setup I picked up for free for the keyboard, but can't say I care for it, and I don't see the fuss about them. Old mice like this are inferior because of the plastic balls to track movement (good thing we left those behind), lack of buttons and lack of scroll wheel. The keyboard however...


I agree completely. My point was moreso about the retro charm of the really old IBM mice -

(http://c2.api.ning.com/files/Kc4I9NA-hvDf-Op7NZj7AcHD0u7CJImyaonuvNH73mbawZcllRxXAmjRUzhPN2aS0u19TaRmhmquLKlw7T1T6Dy7oIjqF2hy/Original_IBM_PS2.jpg)

As for the L40, I do have an actual use for it - I saved an old SGI Indy in my college from being dumped. It has no USB ports, and it's OS does not recognize scroll wheels. I plan on setting it up in my room along with an old thin client Pentium 4 machine that I intend to set up a load of old and esoteric OSes on.
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Post by: ricercar on Sun, 29 November 2009, 15:07:00
I have one of those IBM clunky mice in storage ... here it is now ... geeze, like a 9 foot (3 meter) cable: far longer than my arm span... put it on a USB adapter... increase pointer speed ...voila.  

Retro. I'm bad, I'm bad.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5967&stc=1&d=1259528913)

Darnit, Right click needs me to really bear down on the button. Maybe that's why I put it into storage. Hey! Maybe it's time for a laser USB scroll wheel upgrade project...

EDIT:
Whine. I miss my scroooool wheeeeeel.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 29 November 2009, 15:35:44
I don't have a scroll wheel to miss.
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Post by: PRISONER 24601 on Mon, 30 November 2009, 07:36:26
I think I mentioned it already, but this is my favorite mouse:

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5985&stc=1&d=1259588132)

why did they discontinue it? damn you logitech, damn you all to hell!
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Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 30 November 2009, 07:56:22
Oddly enough, Linux identifies the MX518 as a G3.
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Post by: ricercar on Mon, 30 November 2009, 15:33:16
Quote from: microsoft windows;137242
I don't have a scroll wheel to miss.

Neanderthal. You have no idea what it's like going without a scroll wheel until you've gotten used to it. Sort of like sex with a beloved partner.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 30 November 2009, 16:01:08
Quote from: kishy;137505
If anyone has one of those trackball things they want to resell for about 5 bucks and ship for ACTUAL shipping cost, I'd appreciate a PM. eBay seller is insisting on shipping priority because they "need to have tracking". That "requirement" is costing them a customer...


How much were they charging for shipping?
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Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 30 November 2009, 16:33:00
Some of their listing are $15, some are $18. Don't know why, but I managed to get the $15 one.

I see your point though, it's NOT the same cost to ship it to Europe as it is to ship it to Canada...
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Post by: microsoft windows on Mon, 30 November 2009, 17:52:11
I'm going to get one of those old IBM mice.
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Post by: 1839cc on Mon, 30 November 2009, 22:53:22
Heavy-ish. Not as heavy as I like my trackballs.
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Post by: ch_123 on Tue, 01 December 2009, 06:51:06
Quote from: kishy;137647
I strongly recommend people HOLD OFF on buying one of the L40 mice from u.s.surplus because the seller has a serious courtesy issue and appears to gouge on shipping.


Well, maybe if you're in Canada... I think $15 is decent enough for Europe though.
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Post by: timw4mail on Tue, 01 December 2009, 07:35:30
I'm casting my vote for the CH DT225 with a Lapis Lazuli ball.
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Post by: ch_123 on Tue, 01 December 2009, 07:38:14
I'd miss the scroll wheel on that thing...
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Post by: timw4mail on Tue, 01 December 2009, 07:39:13
Quote from: ch_123;137715
I'd miss the scroll wheel on that thing...


The third button works just as well for actual scrolling. For games I've gotten more used to using the number keys to switch weapons.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 02 December 2009, 19:18:14
I use the middle button for scrolling all the time.
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Post by: ricercar on Thu, 03 December 2009, 00:27:11
I use the middle finger all the time. Wait. What were we talking  about?
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Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 03 December 2009, 17:24:16
Quote from: kishy;137647
Well, the seller made his way onto my "Difficult/Dishonest eBay Sellers List" on a couple sites I participate on now based on that fiasco. I was ultimately told in ALLCAPS to "buy one elsewhere". Thanks Ron, your courtesy is appreciated.

I strongly recommend people HOLD OFF on buying one of the L40 mice from u.s.surplus because the seller has a serious courtesy issue and appears to gouge on shipping.

...looks like a while before I end up with one to play with, but there will be others.

---

I completely forgot to include the extra-heavy Microsoft "serial/mouse port compatible" mice in my favs list. Recently got another one of those, this time with a PS/2 end on it. I definitely like them...they track really smoothly and the weight is kind of "reassuring".

When looking for a mouse, do you prefer a heavy or light mouse? (directed at anyone who reads it, nobody in particular)


I had no trouble with US Surplus when I got my Trackpoint L40 a while ago. It arrived in a few days and I payed a total of about $15. I got exactly what they described.
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Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 03 December 2009, 17:28:26
Yawn...

To the ignore pile!
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Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 03 December 2009, 17:43:30
Mine is still in the dreaded "Electronic shipping info received" stage. Hopefully they'll ship it before the Christmas madness begins.
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Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 03 December 2009, 18:09:47
Quote from: ricercar;138246
I use the middle finger all the time. Wait. What were we talking  about?


Lol
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Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 03 December 2009, 18:22:40
Quote from: webwit;138516
Ugh I hate the "Electronic shipping info received". It can mean anything from "Seller arranged it to ship in 3 months" to "The USPS tracking system shows no updates once again and the mail guy can deliver it in 5 minutes."


In one situation I had, it translated to "The parcel has lost it's label and is sitting around in some back office somewhere or other"... I hate parcel companies...
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Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 03 December 2009, 18:37:16
My M13 had no lost rivets. A few keys had to be reseated though. Maybe all those 'Fragile' labels that Brian puts on his boxes absorbed the impact? =P
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Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 04 December 2009, 16:09:35
Let me guess...UPS sent you your busted keyboards.
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Post by: cheater1034 on Sat, 05 December 2009, 00:53:54
I have a logitech LX5, absolutely best mouse I've ever owned.

I like to keep it simple, it fits in my hand good, the invisible optic gets mad amounts of battery life (the wireless mice I had before it would undergo battery changes once per month or more) this one goes for 4 months and then the low battery light goes on and it goes for another 2 months.

I'd rank it as perfectly ideal, it has 5 buttons (3 in the scroll wheel: down, left, right) It's simple, comfortable, precise, and I only have to fumble for batteries a couple times per year.

I'm also fond of the thinkpad track point as far as notebook pointers (although it's not as easy to master as a mouse, it's the only alternative built on to notebooks to the touch pad :P) - touchpad is good too, but sometimes I like the track point instead.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 05 December 2009, 08:49:42
I prefer a track point to a touchpad as well. Fingers have too much friction on touch pads, making them a pain to use.
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Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 05 December 2009, 10:26:31
Touchpad is also a valid term.
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Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 05 December 2009, 10:49:10
I don't think "trackball" is copyrighted by IBM though.
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Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Sat, 05 December 2009, 10:55:12
Trackpoints are good, trackpads are bad.
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Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Sat, 05 December 2009, 11:05:40
Trackpoints good trackpads bad...
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Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 05 December 2009, 11:51:26
It took you HOW long to cop on to that one? =P
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Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Sat, 05 December 2009, 12:00:17
Not quite, I am not his twin, but I may be evil... MUWAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 06 December 2009, 09:08:04
Quote from: ripster;139101
You're Microsoft Windows EVIL TWIN!!!!!
Show Image
(http://spot.colorado.edu/~finkelsn/pics/mini-me.jpg)

Is Microsoft Bob the dwarf?
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Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Sun, 06 December 2009, 09:14:32
We are called "Little People"!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 06 December 2009, 11:07:51
How about "shorties"?
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Post by: microsoft windows on Tue, 08 December 2009, 19:11:17
I don't pay too much for trashpads.
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Post by: 1839cc on Wed, 09 December 2009, 12:05:12
Been using my MX 11800 trackball. Not as good as my Trackman, but not bad either. Certainly a space saver.
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Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 09 December 2009, 12:25:30
As of 10 minutes ago it's a Logitech G9X.   Not perfect but very impressive.
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Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 09 December 2009, 12:48:50
Quote from: 1839cc;140523
Been using my MX 11800 trackball. Not as good as my Trackman, but not bad either. Certainly a space saver.


How do you like that Compaq keyboard? I've been thinking of getting one for a while now.
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Post by: 1839cc on Wed, 09 December 2009, 16:44:53
I like it a lot. It's my first Cherry board. The layout is annoying sometimes, but not too bad. It's lighter than any other keyboard I've ever typed on, but not in a bad way. It's been described as "springy" and it is. I had to experience it for myself to understand.

It's my most expenseve keyboard so far at ~$40 shipped. I do not regret the purchase.
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Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 09 December 2009, 16:47:47
Brown Cherrys are great. I have a hard time typing on 'boards with different switches, because I have gotten used to the lightness of the browns. I can post a bunch of garbage on GeekHack all day and not feel the least bit fatigued.
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Post by: 1839cc on Wed, 09 December 2009, 16:57:17
I'm alternating browns at home with my AT101W at work. My fingers stay confused.
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Post by: ricercar on Wed, 09 December 2009, 17:04:24
When did the 3rd button of a mouse start opening a link in a new window/tab by default in Windows? I did that by accident to my trackball last weekend, and now I see it works on most of my 3-button devices.
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Post by: ch_123 on Wed, 09 December 2009, 17:05:45
Do you mean in a browser? Depends on which one you are using.
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Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 09 December 2009, 17:34:45
In many Internet browsers it defaults the third button to do that. I also like to use it for scrolling. It's much better than the scrolly-wheel in my opinion.
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Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Wed, 09 December 2009, 17:39:04
I am more use to thr scroll wheel.  I cannot get the scroll wheel to work in Linux though.  That ticks me off...
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Post by: ch_123 on Wed, 09 December 2009, 17:43:54
What mouse are you using? And what distro are you using? It should work out of the box.
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Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Wed, 09 December 2009, 17:47:07
I am using an old Microsoft mouse, one of the ones with a scroll wheel.  PS/2 interface.  It works every once in a while, but not often enough.  The same with the scroll buttons on the trackpad.  They only work sometimes.  Is it just that Micron Transports are not common enough for Ubuntu 9.10 to have drivers for it?
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Post by: 1839cc on Wed, 09 December 2009, 17:58:08
My Trackman scroll wheel works perfectly out of the box in Kubuntu 8.10 running KDE 3.5.10.
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Post by: ricercar on Wed, 09 December 2009, 19:01:52
I'm using my third button for opening a link in a new tab on IE and Firefox and Chrome. What browser does it not work for?
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Post by: ch_123 on Wed, 09 December 2009, 19:24:50
Quote from: Computer-Lab in Basement;140747
I am using an old Microsoft mouse, one of the ones with a scroll wheel.  PS/2 interface.  It works every once in a while, but not often enough.  The same with the scroll buttons on the trackpad.  They only work sometimes.  Is it just that Micron Transports are not common enough for Ubuntu 9.10 to have drivers for it?


Strange. PS/2 is pretty device agnostic, so just about every mouse is handled by the same driver. I don't suppose it has the same problems in Windows?

Also, don't feed it through the PS/2 passthrough on your M4-1, those things can't understand scroll wheels for some odd reason.
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Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Wed, 09 December 2009, 19:35:23
The scroll wheel works in Windows, but it only works sometimes in Linux.  And I know about the M4-1, I use to use another mouse on that keyboard, and the scroll wheel didn't work.  I prefer to use the trackpoint anyways.
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Post by: ricercar on Thu, 10 December 2009, 00:45:00
Ah, crapola. My just-received $52 eBay trackman FX trackball isn't as smooth as my $5 flea market version of the same hardware.

Cleaned the triple contacts, cleaned the ball. What's left to fix? Am I doomed to a scratchey old age trackball? Would teflon pads be more smooth and would they allow spins after my fingers left the ball?
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Post by: 1839cc on Thu, 10 December 2009, 00:57:59
I always wanted an FX. Maybe find a heavier ball. The extra weight might make it smoother and would contribute more to inertia.
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Post by: Rajagra on Thu, 10 December 2009, 05:56:58
Quote from: ricercar;140811
Ah, crapola. My just-received $52 eBay trackman FX trackball isn't as smooth as my $5 flea market version of the same hardware.

Cleaned the triple contacts, cleaned the ball. What's left to fix? Am I doomed to a scratchey old age trackball? Would teflon pads be more smooth and would they allow spins after my fingers left the ball?


They get better once some skin oils have worked their way onto the surfaces. The process can be speeded up, but I'll leave you to work out how, every description I think of sounds like innuendo.
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Post by: bigpook on Thu, 10 December 2009, 06:11:15
try rubbing the ball against your forehead or side of your face. that should help to smooth things out.
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Post by: timw4mail on Thu, 10 December 2009, 07:26:23
Quote from: bigpook;140861
try rubbing the ball against your forehead or side of your face. that should help to smooth things out.


I should do that to mine... the rock sticks just a hair sometimes.
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Post by: ironcoder on Thu, 10 December 2009, 12:47:26
Hey weren't you part of the ruthless gang who jumped my **** when I mentioned being gouged on shipping? I could have sworn...
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Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 10 December 2009, 17:49:46
Is that you in the picture?
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Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 10 December 2009, 17:52:21
It must be, if you look at the computer screen you can clearly see he is looking at the Geekhack forums.
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Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 10 December 2009, 17:52:59
Good point!
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Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 10 December 2009, 18:02:15
Interesting isn't it? Like staring into the tunnel of Geekhack.org...  I refer to this phenomena as the double mirror effect. It is what happens if you hold a mirror parallel to another mirror and gaze into the bigger of the two mirrors.  I don't know if there is an official name for this, so I made my own.  

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6298&stc=1&d=1260490248)
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Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 10 December 2009, 18:36:23
Windows Æro did't really seem up your alley...
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Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 10 December 2009, 18:37:31
It works quite well actually on this old 128mb nVidia FX5200
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Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 10 December 2009, 18:39:27
Well, all a video card needs for that is support for some newfangled Direct-X version mine doesn't work with.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 10 December 2009, 18:40:03
It needs a good computer, thats why it doesn't work for you.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 10 December 2009, 18:42:35
What I have works perfectly well most of the time.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ricercar on Thu, 10 December 2009, 19:05:26
Quote from: ripster;140932
I prefer oils from the inner thighs of Vestal Virgins


You oil your balls from what? Does your family know you do that?

--
I have to agree. I've been using the trackball despite its inferiority to my first one, and it's getting better with age.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 10 December 2009, 19:06:39
Maybe some new trackballs just have to be broken in.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: hyperlinked on Thu, 10 December 2009, 20:35:57
Quote from: ripster;141184
It's called the "Lady From Shanghai" effect


If someone dies or gets bloody scratches on his chiseled oiled-up abdomen, it's then referred to as the Enter the Dragon effect.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 11 December 2009, 08:42:55
It was the beard.  It's like the hair of Samson.  They had to shave Chuck for this scene so Bruce would have a chance.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ricercar on Thu, 17 December 2009, 20:49:43
Quote from: ricercar;140811
Ah, crapola. My just-received $52 eBay trackman FX trackball isn't as smooth as my $5 flea market version of the same hardware.

Well, eBay came through with number two. I won a superfluous Trackman FX in an auction that never took off to rise above my lowball bid. THIS one is smooooooooth, just like my original. Good thing work is paying for one of them....

Who was that person who 'always wanted a Trackman FX' recently? Shoot me a PM. I have a serviceable spare.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: 1839cc on Thu, 17 December 2009, 20:52:15
Hey I think that was me.

PM sent.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Langley on Tue, 22 December 2009, 19:25:18
There was this Pac Man machine at a Pizza Hut when I was a kid that had the most responsive trackball I've ever seen. It was sort of shaped like a table and you looked down at the screen.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ibu on Wed, 23 December 2009, 01:13:41
My favorite pointing device would be (unfortunately it has never produced) a really large and heavy optical trackball (like the one in "Logitech TrackMan Marble FX PN 804251-0000" which has a diameter of 52,5mm) integrated into a splitted ergo keyboard.
Mockup:
(http://borumat.de/+temp/bilder/dinge/tastatur.jpg)

I have this wish since the usage of an old mac power book with an integrated trackball.

The motive simply is: you do have to remove your fingers from the standard position for pointing.
And the feeling of a heavy trackball is dimensions nicer than of a tiny trackpoint gnupsy - for my fingers.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: EverythingIBM on Fri, 03 September 2010, 03:11:35
Quote from: webwit;137210
I scored one of those newer PS/2 IBM mice once, with this computer setup I picked up for free for the keyboard, but can't say I care for it, and I don't see the fuss about them. Old mice like this are inferior because of the plastic balls to track movement (good thing we left those behind), lack of buttons and lack of scroll wheel. The keyboard however...


Sorry to resurrect the dead corpse. I wish to say that I've used one of those IBM mice on my first computer. They're perfectly fine -- there's nothing "inferior" about them. If anything, they fit the hand better than mice today.

Also MW commented on the L40 thing having the floppy disk included (webwit probably left his trackpoint L40 sealed), well I opened up the manual from its shrink wrap, lo and behold there was a floppy disk! The manual shows how you can actually change the speed of it via the DOS driver program. And I tried one of them on a high resolution, it works actually quite well...

I'm also starting to like the trackball. After you get used to it, it's quite fun. Especially holding the L40 like a remote as MW said.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: EverythingIBM on Fri, 03 September 2010, 03:23:57
Quote from: ripster;219452
Wow, this IS an old thread.

Anywhere there is a new contender!
Show Image
(http://dailyapps.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/IPad2.png)


I find my finger gets too dry and sore if I use the iPad too much...
Maybe apple should release the "iPad finger grease", that way your finger wouldn't have so much friction against the screen...

ALSO, the screen gets lots of fingerprints on it anyways... there should be a matte screen film to add onto those things. I hate glossy.

But other than that, it has a few fun games and stuff. I particularly like the iBOOK library, lots of books are downloaded from gutenberg. So as a digital book to read while on the bus or something, it works really well! The IPS screen is pretty good too... except it being glossy... GRRRRR.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: zmurf on Fri, 03 September 2010, 03:29:57
My favourite pointing devices is IBM/Lenovo Trackpoints and Logitech Trackman Marble FX. I'm also quite fond of the Kensington Expert trackball.

On keyboard less units I naturally prefer multi-touch touch-screens.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 03 September 2010, 19:24:32
I like the old Microsoft serial mice.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 03 September 2010, 20:45:53
Quote from: ripster;219452
Anywhere there is a new contender!
Show Image
(http://dailyapps.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/IPad2.png)
I like this idea better:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12366&stc=1&d=1283563739)
The "MouseTrapper". It is a touchpad that is mechanical and tactile!
It works almost like the Rollermouse, except that there are two rollers with a rubber mesh stretched between them. You move the mesh around, and you can also press on it to click. The "advance" model supports scrolling with the fingers on the right side of the pad, but it does of course not support "multitouch". Unfortunately, the price of this thing is around $300 ... used, and I doubt that we see many of these outside of Sweden.
About a year ago, another company in the same building as the one I was working in was throwing away over a dozen of these. I was ignorant enough then not to grab at least one from the recycling bin ... gah!

The name "Mousetrapper" comes from the very first model which had a single bar like the Rollermouse, but without any electronics. You had to get a ball-mouse separately and strap it into the "trap" so that the ball touches against the roll-bar. When you moved the roll-bar, it moved the ball on the mouse!
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: EverythingIBM on Fri, 03 September 2010, 20:57:32
Quote from: Findecanor;219708
I was ignorant enough then not to grab at least one from the recycling bin ... gah!


We all make that mistake at one point or another... darn.

Quote from: microsoft windows;219694
I like the old Microsoft serial mice.


Isn't the L40 better than a microsoft mouse?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: woody on Sun, 05 September 2010, 05:53:50
Ripster is right - the best pointing device is DA FINGER! :evil:
________
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Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Oqsy on Sun, 05 September 2010, 06:00:30
hmm...  my favorite pointing device didn't show up anywhere in this thread.  It would have if we had more female members.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 05 September 2010, 06:40:10
Quote from: Oqsy;220069
hmm...  my favorite pointing device didn't show up anywhere in this thread.  It would have if we had more female members.


(http://www.martinipink.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/juicy-couture-pink-mouse.jpg)

?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Mon, 06 September 2010, 17:03:14
I bet that mouse would give you carpal tunnel syndrome.
Title: Logitech MX518
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 06 September 2010, 20:44:14
Got me two of these (http://www.logitech.com/en-hk/mice-pointers/mice/devices/4259). It owns...IT OWNS!
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: MyNameIsDan on Fri, 10 September 2010, 11:22:55
Quote from: keyboardlover;220609
Got me two of these (http://www.logitech.com/en-hk/mice-pointers/mice/devices/4259). It owns...IT OWNS!


Got one of those that I gave to my little sister to use. Bought one when I was in early high school or late middle school... roughly 5-6 years ago.

My current fav: Steelseries Xai (http://imgur.com/pjyye.jpg)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: keyboardlover on Fri, 10 September 2010, 12:18:34
Quote from: MyNameIsDan;221635
Got one of those that I gave to my little sister to use. Bought one when I was in early high school or late middle school... roughly 5-6 years ago.

My current fav: Steelseries Xai (http://imgur.com/pjyye.jpg)


For twice the price of mine it looks like it got a lot of bad reviews...also I'm skeptical whether laser is much better than optical
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Arc'xer on Fri, 10 September 2010, 14:48:17
Quote from: keyboardlover;221642
For twice the price of mine it looks like it got a lot of bad reviews...also I'm skeptical whether laser is much better than optical

Shame they haven't cut the prices on them, still can't believe it's 85-90 after almost, if not a year after release. If it was 60 or so I'd bite but that extra 20-30 dollars sure deters, shame really because it's the kinzu that is causing the xai more issues since both look similar people think the xai sucks cause the kinzu has issues with certain sensitivity that some use.

But when I was considering buying the xai I did quite a lot of research and lot of the negative reviews are isolated incidents or people who are so damn picky and so stuck up they continue to use a mouse that is as old as their gaming experience.

Laser is fine it's caught up and surpassed optical at least for features, both are pretty much equal but there is a few slight acceleration issues with the Avago 9500 though I think those issues are really uncommon and might be either a programming error or just a simple fix. Still laser issues are a thing of the past it's just people who ***** and moan like usual about older laser mice.

Ask lmnop about the xai, she has a lot of information on it.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: lmnop on Fri, 10 September 2010, 21:16:23
I really like my steelseries xai, but I wish my steelseries ikari laser had the Avago 9500 laser sensor because it's like putting your hand in a baseball glove.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ClackHead on Fri, 10 September 2010, 21:40:26
There is no greater minesweeper mouse than the original Intellimouse with optical sensor.

Back when I played counter-strike, I used an Intellimouse Explorer. I went through 4 of them. They all failed where the wire attaches to the mouse board.

I then switched to the iconic MX 510/518/G5 series from Logitech for several years even though I hated it and they gave me cramps during long periods of gaming. I stuck with them though because I wasn't gaming much during those years and was instead programming my way through university.

Now I use a Razer Naga. This is an excellent FPS and MMO mouse. Once you get used to having the numbers on the mouse, you can't go back. I love the way my hand fits around it and you can grasp it both palm and finger style with zero problems. I can't recommend this thing enough.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Arc'xer on Fri, 10 September 2010, 21:47:35
Quote from: lmnop;221841
I really like my steelseries xai, but I wish my steelseries ikari laser had the Avago 9500 laser sensor because it's like putting your hand in a baseball glove.


Wow why did I not think of that before. Sounds like an awesome combination for an ergonomic mice was gonna buy an Ikari a few years ago but went over to the G5v2 was too annoyed by the whole optical/laser issue that it had. Though I've always been curious on gaming with my left-hand rather than right hand, so the xai became interesting because of it's fairly comfortable ambi design.

If there is any difference at least in mentality and cerebral use over right handed.

Shame they don't have some sort of left-sided QWERTY, instead of QWERTY it's YTREWQ but on the right hand side so it's basically a mirrored layout. It's silly but I guess I'm just a traditionalist with WASD and whatnot should break the habit but I guess I've gotten used to hitting the larger keys for the accuracy and differential guess I found myself using the keyboard clumsily often times.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: MsKeyboard on Fri, 10 September 2010, 22:21:21
Quote from: Findecanor;219708
I like this idea better:
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12366&stc=1&d=1283563739)

The "MouseTrapper". It is a touchpad that is mechanical and tactile!
 Unfortunately, the price of this thing is around $300 ... used, and I doubt that we see many of these outside of Sweden.

The Mousetrapper (http://www.fentek-ind.com/mouse-trapper.htm) is actually quite popular, and works well for those that like the idea of the Rollermouse but not the mechanics.

Also, since nobody has mentioned it yet, there is a new Vertical Mouse (http://www.fentek-ind.com/vertical_mouse.htm) in town, little changes but an improvement none-the-less.

Later.............
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: J888www on Sat, 11 September 2010, 09:32:51
To answer the OP "What is your favorite pointing device ?"

This is not a jest, no trolling intended, am quite serious.

My favourite pointing device is my Right fore-finger. My second favourite pointing device is a Razer Abyssus.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Bullveyr on Mon, 13 September 2010, 04:32:40
After testing a Zowie EC2 white, which is certainly a very good mouse, over the weekend it's still the Xai.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Mon, 13 September 2010, 06:09:22
Quote from: J888www;221975
My favourite pointing device is my Right fore-finger


You know, it's rude to point at people.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Wed, 15 September 2010, 04:19:00
At the risk of being a mainstream gamer kiddy fan boy wanker:

Razer DeathAdder (the new version)

I honestly am very happy with it. Innitially, I was never ready to spend more than 10€ for a mouse (same as with keyboards back then ;) ) and was always quite content with whatever logitech mouse I got cheap from the store.
Then I recently bought a new rig, thought "ah to hell with it, u spend that much on your new system, have stuff like an SSD and Radeon HD5870 working in it and u gonna take a 10€ Logitech mouse to command it?!?"
So I went ahead and checked out those Roccat and Razer mice everyone was talking about.
Roccat blew it quickly, I just think they suck. Razer felt surprisingly awesome and the deathadder really fit my hand well. So I went ahead and bought one and haven't regretted it since. The only thing I miss on the razer are stuff like a search key or sth. like that. 5 Buttons just ain't that much. But the feel is awesome and every time I use it I feel happy. With the Logitechs I had before I didn't even want to look down ;)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: lmnop on Wed, 15 September 2010, 05:15:47
I didn't want to create a thread.

Logitech unveils the Logitech M570 (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/trackballs/devices/7365?wt.mc_id=global_pr-m570_redirect_092010) wireless trackball.

(http://a.imagehost.org/0528/104a.png)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Voixdelion on Fri, 17 September 2010, 16:52:48
I <3 my Kensington Expert v5 (Although I think the original 2 button Turbo was my actual favorite, but Mac only...)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: NewbieOneKenobi on Wed, 22 September 2010, 18:30:26
I had a small and heavy Logitech EX110 wireless mouse once that I equipped with teflon sliders and used a round mat of rather specific texture that's hard to describe (I bought it at a museum in Greece). It was kinda perfect for RTS (with the additional bonus of minimising hand movement).
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: J888www on Wed, 22 September 2010, 19:48:45
Quote from: microsoft windows;222644
You know, it's rude to point at people.
Seriously, I use my right fore-finger with Touch-Screen, I wasn't being rude or a smart-aleck.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bigpook on Wed, 22 September 2010, 19:49:37
Right now it is the kensington slimblade...
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bigpook on Thu, 23 September 2010, 04:05:53
Quote from: ripster;225620
How's that elbow of yours??


: ) much better now.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ErikRuud on Wed, 01 December 2010, 12:09:36
At work I use a  Bamboo Pen & Touch.
At home I use my older Bamboo Fun.
I really, really miss my MS Trackball Explorer. May it rest in peace.

I also use this trackball a lot at home.
(http://www.a-ruud-awakening.com/Retrocade/GioCade_025_small.jpg)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: EverythingIBM on Wed, 01 December 2010, 18:50:02
(http://fs.textcube.com/blog/0/1128/attach/XAJvRE3d6S.jpg)

There is nothing better as far as mice are concerned.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Brian8bit on Wed, 01 December 2010, 18:52:56
Apple magic mouse. It's magical.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: CodeChef on Wed, 01 December 2010, 19:10:18
So far I haven't tried a mouse I liked better than the Logitech G9x. In terms of shape though, the mice that had the same shape as the G1/G3 were the BEST (maybe because they were the mice I grew up using, first the logitech branded one, and then the dell-branded one)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: db_Iodine on Thu, 02 December 2010, 05:03:33
I love my Performance MX. I'm tempted to try the CST LaserTrack to see if I like trackballs or not.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: nraymond on Thu, 02 December 2010, 15:12:23
For productivity, Apple Magic Trackpad.  For games, Logitech G9.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Oqsy on Thu, 02 December 2010, 21:33:37
CH DT225.
Mine is custom painted and solid as a rock.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: nmd on Fri, 03 December 2010, 16:04:06
I'm currently using a SteelSeries Xai. Basic shape, great texture on top of the shell and rubberized sides. The clicks are perfect on every single button and the "steps" on the mouse wheel are tactile without being clicky - just perfect all around really.

I also like the G9, DeathAdder and Imperator. I would use the Imperator all the time because it's perfect for my hand but the problem is - like most Razer mice it uses high gloss on the sides which feels so terrible after an hour or so of using it. :( If I could put a rubber coating on it that's similar to what the Xai uses on it's side(combination of smooth and grippy, doesn't collect moisture) I would use it 100%.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: sadbox on Fri, 03 December 2010, 19:12:39
I used a G5 for a couple years before it broke and then I moved on to a Razer Deathadder and from there I ended up buying a CST L-Trac-X.... I'm not sure if I'm in love with just trackballs or if it's just this particular one, but I can say that it's been the best pointing device I've used =)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: hasu on Fri, 03 December 2010, 20:37:43
I use mainly mouse keys on keyboard. It's enough for my daily job.
And I use TrackPoint on the road.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 04 December 2010, 00:25:48
I wish I could say that it was my slimblade, but every time I start playing a game my G5 comes off the bench and I always forget to switch back to my track ball afterward ^^;;
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: dewaere on Tue, 28 December 2010, 04:03:05
(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/375/65759339.jpg)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Cyanide on Tue, 28 December 2010, 04:19:30
i'm using the razer death adder, i have been using it for about 3 years, my old one got worn out so i got a new one. it worked great in wow, and now i use it for sc2, nothing crazy about it, it just feels good.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Azuremen on Tue, 28 December 2010, 04:21:47
Quote from: kalrykh;256693
I'm a fan of the razer naga, but if you don't play mmo's, you'll probably find it laughable.  Otherwise, the deathadder is my standby.  It's still a solid mouse.


I've actually known some engineers and designers that get the Naga for the extra buttons. Reduces how often they need to take their hands of the 3D interface device or mouse to change tools.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: YpoCaramel on Wed, 29 December 2010, 05:32:07
I don't know. I have a plenty of mice and trackballs - G900, G500, G9, Orochi, RAT5, MX Air (ex-mice MX518, G5, Deathadder), Slimblade and Orbit, but I don't really feel strongly about any one of them. G900 gets the most day to day use, it's a the hyperscroll and nice buttons, but otherwise I'm still 'whatever' about it.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: typo on Fri, 31 December 2010, 02:24:01
as you probably already know, logitech g500. i'd try a track ball if they had way higher resolution as i discussed elsewhere here.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: theferenc on Mon, 03 January 2011, 10:06:43
3200 isn't high enough? What the hell do you do with your mouse?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: godly_music on Tue, 04 January 2011, 08:13:55
Any corded optical mouse will do. I've lived on cheapo Logitechs for a long time before I got an MX 518. Of course it's better, but it's not essential.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: dewaere on Tue, 04 January 2011, 12:09:46
Quote from: YpoCaramel;270223
I don't know. I have a plenty of mice and trackballs - G900, G500, G9, Orochi, RAT5, MX Air (ex-mice MX518, G5, Deathadder), Slimblade and Orbit, but I don't really feel strongly about any one of them. G900 gets the most day to day use, it's a the hyperscroll and nice buttons, but otherwise I'm still 'whatever' about it.


G900?
Any pics?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: YpoCaramel on Wed, 05 January 2011, 02:51:58
Quote from: dewaere;273004
G900?
Any pics?

Sorry mate, G700 ;) I forgot the name omg, see how unexcited I am?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: killy on Thu, 06 January 2011, 01:02:26
Quote from: nmd;256560
I'm currently using a SteelSeries Xai. Basic shape, great texture on top of the shell and rubberized sides. The clicks are perfect on every single button and the "steps" on the mouse wheel are tactile without being clicky - just perfect all around really.

I also like the G9, DeathAdder and Imperator. I would use the Imperator all the time because it's perfect for my hand but the problem is - like most Razer mice it uses high gloss on the sides which feels so terrible after an hour or so of using it. :( If I could put a rubber coating on it that's similar to what the Xai uses on it's side(combination of smooth and grippy, doesn't collect moisture) I would use it 100%.


I have the kinzu. Bargain bin replacement for a broken deathadder turned out great.

A lot of new mice have high liftoff (I'm sure the mousegeeks will know about the sensors... TwinEye?), but the Kinzu is pretty good. No frills, gets the job done. I don't really miss the back button, I'm used to moving my mouse over and just hitting it.

In fact, although I liked to palm grip when I bought an IME3.0 to try it out I couldn't handle the sudden shape change, and it was too heavy for low sens pick-up-and-reposition. I hold the kinzu in a 'palm grip' style, except my fingers are arched so only the tips touch the buttons. Palm-claw?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: isp on Thu, 06 January 2011, 07:39:20
I'm really diggin the Logi Anywhere MX for casual surfing.  
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5349875/anywheremx.jpg)
(Review here (http://themobileexperience.blogspot.com/2010/06/review-logitech-anywhere-mouse-mx.html))

for gaming though (serios businos!!!1), I use the logitech g3
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: theferenc on Thu, 06 January 2011, 21:54:51
Quote from: isp;273986
I'm really diggin the Logi Anywhere MX for casual surfing.  
Show Image
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5349875/anywheremx.jpg)

(Review here (http://themobileexperience.blogspot.com/2010/06/review-logitech-anywhere-mouse-mx.html))

for gaming though (serios businos!!!1), I use the logitech g3


I have this. I use it as my travel mouse along with my HHKB. I absolutely love the two-mode scrolling it has going on.

It's a surprisingly nice feel and weight for a mobile mouse, I think.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: theferenc on Thu, 06 January 2011, 22:10:58
Ripster, the logitech *does* use AAs. I use eneloop rechargeables in mine.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ManjyomeThunder on Sun, 09 January 2011, 12:39:43
Quote from: ripster;274349
Oops. I got the two switched around.  

Maybe AAAs aren't so bad.  I rarely have had to replace it.


Also have a VX Nano. Battery life does last for quite some time, assuming you remember to turn it off between uses.

Also have a DeathAdder for my desktop. Best mouse I've ever used.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: aynjell on Mon, 10 January 2011, 12:15:48
Presently, I use a Razer Lachesis for gaming. This mouse completely perplexes me... well I suppose it reminds me of a race car for the reason I'll soon explain. Basically, the mouse is absolutely perfect for when I'm gaming, especially shooters. The feel, the shape, the movement (the feet are perfect), etc etc. However, as soon as a cursor gets involved (wow, the desktop, etc) the sensation is similar, although not as bad, as typing on a qwerty phone keyboard. Yeah, it helps some but it's not as good as others.

I've never used a mouse with this type of all or nothing behavior.

My favourite, a close second in gaming, is the Logitech G5. It was perfect. It did everything the razer did to maybe 95%, but it also was super awesome on the desktop too.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Grimey on Wed, 12 January 2011, 15:16:18
Currently loving my Razer Naga.  

My previous mouse was a logitec G5.  My G5 was a beautiful mouse that performed amazingly for years ( and still works perfectly well after 4+ years of usage).  My problem with the G5 was the lack of buttons when MMO gaming is concerned.  My hands aren't what they used to be, and stretching them around the keyboard to hit enough key combinations was over stressing.

I am a large handed person and the Naga fits fine.  I do wish it was a bit larger, but I have been comfortable for hours of usage.  Getting used to the side button configuration wasn't much of a chore either.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: jbl on Fri, 14 January 2011, 23:38:22
Having lost some use of my right (dominant) hand, I've been on something of an input device binge lately.

Today I picked up a Kensington Slimblade trackball for work and an Apple Magic Trackpad for home. Much to my surprise, I think I like them both more than regular mice. I find the trackball easier to manipulate and my wrists and hands don't get as tired after a day of work.

In the same vein, the trackpad gestures are really slick. As an added bonus, the low profile of the trackpad puts my wrist in a flatter, more natural position.

These aren't my first flirtations with trackballs and trackpads. For a long time, I used both a Cirque Glidepoint portable trackpad as well as a Logitech Trackman Marble FX. The Cirque was forgettable, but I found the Logitech very very comfortable and easy to use.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: George7 on Sat, 15 January 2011, 16:33:27
I'm using a Logitech G5 at the moment. It's a good mouse but I don't actually like it a huge amount. My favourite mouse of all time is actually a standard logitech optical mouse I got with a computer my family bought in 2004. Since the left button died a couple of years back, I've not found something I like nearly as much, and I haven't found the same mouse since :(
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Bullveyr on Sun, 16 January 2011, 06:21:41
If you still have it just try to repair it. ;)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: CreamyNutButter on Tue, 18 January 2011, 05:58:27
I just bought a Trackman Marble and it is my new favorite.  It's much more gaming-friendly than that old clunker I had! (http://www.logitech.com/assets/14756/14756.png)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Jerri on Tue, 18 January 2011, 06:04:03
Razer Lachesis Refresh. I like the Lachesis shape very much, but the settings and the tracking of the new one (got it today) is just awesome!
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: aynjell on Tue, 18 January 2011, 12:34:57
Quote from: Jerri;280281
Razer Lachesis Refresh. I like the Lachesis shape very much, but the settings and the tracking of the new one (got it today) is just awesome!

So far it's the best mouse for gaming I've ever used. The shape is perfect for shooters, but awkward for gaming.

It's sad though, razer can't do much else right besides mice and pads. :(
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Jerri on Tue, 18 January 2011, 13:05:05
Quote from: aynjell;280492
So far it's the best mouse for gaming I've ever used. The shape is perfect for shooters, but awkward for gaming.

It's sad though, razer can't do much else right besides mice and pads. :(


I especially dig the shape of this mouse. I use this shape all the time, for working, shooters, other games. Personally i can't stand shapes like Logitech MX518 or Razer Deathadder. But i must say i had the Logitechs a long time, until the Lachesis came out ;). For my hands the Lachesis is perfect!

I tried some UT2004 with the new lachesis, works good with my new mousepad (razer ironclad).

Does anybody know the "real DPI", that the Laser sensor has natively?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Bullveyr on Tue, 18 January 2011, 14:08:42
Quote from: Jerri;280528

Does anybody know the "real DPI", that the Laser sensor has natively?

Strange question, the big players like Logitech, Razer, MS or SteelSeries usually don't interpolate the CPI (unlike Roccat or especially A4Tech :D), so:

Original Lachesis: 4000 CPI (PLN 2031)
New Lachesis: 5600 CPI (PLN 2032)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: urlwolf on Tue, 18 January 2011, 15:23:06
No rollermouse fans?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: aynjell on Tue, 18 January 2011, 15:33:37
Quote from: Jerri;280528
I especially dig the shape of this mouse. I use this shape all the time, for working, shooters, other games. Personally i can't stand shapes like Logitech MX518 or Razer Deathadder. But i must say i had the Logitechs a long time, until the Lachesis came out ;). For my hands the Lachesis is perfect!

I tried some UT2004 with the new lachesis, works good with my new mousepad (razer ironclad).

Does anybody know the "real DPI", that the Laser sensor has natively?


I believe it's 5600.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Arc'xer on Tue, 18 January 2011, 17:03:42
Quote from: aynjell;280634
I believe it's 5600.


He knows that obviously from the 5600 stamping on the box. What he means is does the sensor interpolate DPI from a lesser amount.

In other words the competing top sensor of the PTE(Philips twin-eye 2) is the ADNS-9500. The 9500 goes up to 6000 DPI(Roccat Kone+) but from what some have mentioned on the dataspecs of the 9500 engine. The engines true DPI tops out at around 4000-5000 mark so the additional DPI done by the G500/G700/G9X/Kone is construed as interpolated.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: aynjell on Tue, 18 January 2011, 17:05:15
Quote from: Arc'xer;280667
He knows that obviously from the 5600 stamping on the box. What he means is does the sensor interpolate DPI from a lesser amount.

In other words the competing top sensor of the PTE(Philips twin-eye 2) is the ADNS-9500. The 9500 goes up to 6000 DPI(Roccat Kone+) but from what some have mentioned on the dataspecs of the 9500 engine. The engines true DPI tops out at around 4000-5000 mark so the additional DPI done by the G500/G700/G9X/Kone is construed as interpolated.


I figured that was mis-advertising. :\
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: cyberphine on Tue, 18 January 2011, 17:28:28
Logitech G500.  I love this mouse.  I'm going to try to pick another one up for the office for around $40 bucks.  

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104318&Tpk=logitech%20g500
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Warduke on Tue, 18 January 2011, 22:39:18
A toss up between Microsoft Trackball Optical and Trackball Explorer.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Bullveyr on Wed, 19 January 2011, 02:31:19
Quote from: Arc'xer;280667

In other words the competing top sensor of the PTE(Philips twin-eye 2) is the ADNS-9500. The 9500 goes up to 6000 DPI(Roccat Kone+) but from what some have mentioned on the dataspecs of the 9500 engine. The engines true DPI tops out at around 4000-5000 mark so the additional DPI done by the G500/G700/G9X/Kone is construed as interpolated.

It's not clearly if the 5700 CPI on the G9X7G500/G700 are interpolated, Logitech clearly has a different srom (firmware) for the sensor (with higher FPS), with that it's generally not a problem to get higher CPI.

Imho the 6000 CPI on the Kone

And as I allready wrote the Lachesis CPI are true.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Jerri on Wed, 19 January 2011, 02:40:15
Quote from: Arc'xer;280667
He knows that obviously from the 5600 stamping on the box. What he means is does the sensor interpolate DPI from a lesser amount.

In other words the competing top sensor of the PTE(Philips twin-eye 2) is the ADNS-9500. The 9500 goes up to 6000 DPI(Roccat Kone+) but from what some have mentioned on the dataspecs of the 9500 engine. The engines true DPI tops out at around 4000-5000 mark so the additional DPI done by the G500/G700/G9X/Kone is construed as interpolated.


Thanks man, that's what i mean, sorry if it wasn't clearly announced, what i meant, but english isn't my native tongue, so sometimes crucial words are missing in my vocabulary ;).
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: tarc on Wed, 19 January 2011, 06:50:50
Cool, an input hardware forum!

I use a small 4x6 wacom for general use, very comfortable!

Also a trackman marble which I found incredibly comfortable. Button positioning could be better but I guess it's due to it's mirror construction.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Zensuji on Thu, 20 January 2011, 03:01:50
I have a few favourites.


Mx-518
Zowie ec1
deathadder 3g
3.0

Bought a new DA3.5g recently and had to post it straight back. LOL at razer for breaking their only decent mouse.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: aynjell on Thu, 20 January 2011, 12:30:00
Quote from: Zensuji;281621
I have a few favourites.


Mx-518
Zowie ec1
deathadder 3g
3.0

Bought a new DA3.5g recently and had to post it straight back. LOL at razer for breaking their only decent mouse.


The 3.5g sensor if I understand it is magnitudes better than the 3G. Unless they changed the shape they didn't break anything.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: SuperPunch on Fri, 21 January 2011, 05:43:51
I recently received the Mionix Naos 5000.  It's my favorite mouse in a long list of candidates.  I posted a review just now.  Palm grip users may want to take a look.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: bionicroach on Fri, 21 January 2011, 21:15:50
Quote from: urlwolf;280621
No rollermouse fans?


I am a huge fan of the RollerMouse!  I had terrible pain in my right shoulder from 8hrs/day on a traditional mouse and the RollerMouse completely alleviated it.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 22 January 2011, 19:15:56
My favorite pointing device is the middle finger.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: tash on Sat, 22 January 2011, 19:46:53
middle finger?
on a touchpad or a touchscreen?
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: msiegel on Sat, 22 January 2011, 19:48:21
joystick, i reckon
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: ricercar on Sat, 22 January 2011, 22:01:54
Wacom pen
Microsoft Intellimouse Optical
Rollermouse
ThinkPad Clit
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: urlwolf on Sun, 23 January 2011, 12:14:17
Quote
Wacom pen
Microsoft Intellimouse Optical
Rollermouse
ThinkPad Clit

That's good taste, right there...
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: keyboardlover on Sun, 23 January 2011, 12:15:59
Tasty too!
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: WaffleIron on Sun, 23 January 2011, 15:10:20
My favorite mouse by far for both desktop and laptop:

Razer Orochi
(http://images.thesource.ca/images/Online/W2/W261024l.jpg)

Also digging my Wacom Intuos 3.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: aynjell on Mon, 24 January 2011, 04:49:25
Quote from: tash;283074
middle finger?
on a touchpad or a touchscreen?

I think he means that... not unlike a 9 year old unaware of it's terrible meaning in US culture, uses his middle finger to actually point at things. We'll wait until he's older, or pissed somebody off, to correct him because we don't want him to know the reason why it's wrong.

Not unlike that 9 year old, I can only imagine he'd use that knowledge for evil.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Zensuji on Fri, 28 January 2011, 07:19:46
Quote from: aynjell;281759
The 3.5g sensor if I understand it is magnitudes better than the 3G. Unless they changed the shape they didn't break anything.


The 3.5g sensor is very poor in comparison to the 3g sensor (look it up on any forum....ESR for example). Jitters, acceleration on cloth pads where the 3g was near perfect. All because casual gamers think super high dpi = better.

Probably passable for high sensitivity players though. But truly a broken mouse for me. :)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: aynjell on Fri, 28 January 2011, 14:20:14
Quote from: Zensuji;286188
The 3.5g sensor is very poor in comparison to the 3g sensor (look it up on any forum....ESR for example). Jitters, acceleration on cloth pads where the 3g was near perfect. All because casual gamers think super high dpi = better.

Probably passable for high sensitivity players though. But truly a broken mouse for me. :)


Actually, krakoff described it as being the other way aruond, speaking poorly of the 3g sensor for the same reasons.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: mattlach on Fri, 28 January 2011, 14:50:36
The mouse I have the fondest memories of was my first mouse.

Mouse on left below:
(http://rk86.com/frolov/mouse4_.jpg)

I don't recall mine being labeled Genius, but it might have been.   It's been about 20 years...

These days my favorite is my Logitech G500 mouse.   The shape and feel are perfect for me.


(http://www.logitech.com/assets/15994/15994.png)


I have never been able to use alternative pointing devices effectively.   Trackballs, touch pads, trackpoint joysticks, etc, None of them work for me.  It has to be a mouse.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Arc'xer on Fri, 28 January 2011, 18:15:30
Quote from: Zensuji;286188
The 3.5g sensor is very poor in comparison to the 3g sensor (look it up on any forum....ESR for example). Jitters, acceleration on cloth pads where the 3g was near perfect. All because casual gamers think super high dpi = better.

Probably passable for high sensitivity players though. But truly a broken mouse for me. :)


3.5g sensor issues can be fixed with a firmware update. But with the abyssus it's not possible due to not having the SROM memory chip to flash the mouse.

And I'm sure with the open-source version of the S3888; the ADNS-3090 avago probably fixed the issues.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: aynjell on Fri, 28 January 2011, 19:11:53
Quote from: Arc'xer;286610
3.5g sensor issues can be fixed with a firmware update. But with the abyssus it's not possible due to not having the SROM memory chip to flash the mouse.

And I'm sure with the open-source version of the S3888; the ADNS-3090 avago probably fixed the issues.


I really like the performance in the Lachesis.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Zensuji on Sat, 29 January 2011, 12:00:53
Quote from: aynjell;286455
Actually, krakoff described it as being the other way aruond, speaking poorly of the 3g sensor for the same reasons.

The CEO of Razer said it was better?!?!??!!? it must be then ;)

edit:  @ Arc'xer yeah I updated them both with lastest firmware and still had small staircasing on cloth pads which I want to use. After doing a little searching on ESR loads of others were still having the same problem so they were RMA'd. From my understanding it works near perfect now on most hard mats which I'm not a fan of.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Zensuji on Sat, 29 January 2011, 12:35:16
Quote from: aynjell;286455
Actually, krakoff described it as being the other way aruond, speaking poorly of the 3g sensor for the same reasons.


Well he's the CEO of Razer so of course he's going to say the newer model is better. :p

Quote from: Arc'xer;286610
3.5g sensor issues can be fixed with a firmware update..


I still got no joy from the latest firmware. Had a quick look on a few forums and many were still having the same problems on cloth pads. Out of the box it was unusable, with the latest update it was OK but I was still getting small staircasing like many others on ESR. I understand it works near flawless on hard pads but I'm a man of the cloth. :)
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: jbluzb on Thu, 01 December 2011, 16:24:36
I am using the logitech wireless mouse when travelling. Really convinient and reliable. I droped this mouse so many times and it is still working fine.
Title: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: tapk69 on Fri, 02 December 2011, 09:56:11
any gaming logitech mouse is good , i have an old G5 (works like new with 5+ years) , will probably upgrade to a G500 or a R.A.T.7 ...

For gaming i have no doubt Logitech is the best , but depends on each person and the use they give it
Title: Re: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 06 February 2015, 12:16:32
I'm very partial to my Logitech G700s, I'm not sure where to go from here. I'm sure by the time I need another mouse logitech will have a newer (hopefully improved) version out.
Title: Re: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Fri, 06 February 2015, 12:17:50
I'm very partial to my Logitech G700s, I'm not sure where to go from here. I'm sure by the time I need another mouse logitech will have a newer (hopefully improved) version out.

we both know you weren't posting here just to tell us about your mouse... :))
Title: Re: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: SamirD on Tue, 07 April 2015, 11:48:05
I've just seen this thread, and even though it was started in 2007, I still have to say that the dark gray Logitech Trackman in the original post is my #1 favorite.  If I knew they'd be very hard to find later (like the IBM Ms I love), I would have got a lot more of them.
Title: Re: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: LarsMarkelson on Tue, 28 April 2015, 19:09:33
It would be: Zowie FK with G302 clicks. I loved loved loved my Zowie FK during the time I used it, but the clicks were too hard and may have injured my finger, heh heh. Amazing shape and feel though for a claw grip user.
Title: Re: What's your favorite pointing device?
Post by: jukaduke1184 on Wed, 22 July 2015, 21:37:37
I'm a fan of the Logitech G700s (current mouse). The graphics are kind of cheesy, but it gets the job done and no problems.