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Offline telegraphist

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My initial impressions: Novatouch.
« on: Fri, 03 October 2014, 11:25:26 »
I received my Novatouch board yesterday.
The case of the board is super-sturdy: no crackles or warping of any kind noted. The switches are different story.
They don't feel that "special" to me, or rather: I expected more.
Given that I never used the boards with topre switches before I have to report that typing feels pretty much as with a board with the Cherry MX Red switches.
The included black O-rings are not as tight as the ones I currently use with Cherry MX keycaps and they are thinner.
The O-rings are also ineffective in noise dampening with Novatouch topre board as they are with Cherry MX switches, because the main source of noise in this board is stems hitting the switches in upstroke, while bouncing up from the down position.
The O-rings are undetectable on my Novotouch board on both aspects: sound dampening and cushioning.
My Cherry MX boards: the Cooler Master QFR (Cherry MX Red) and the WASDkeyboards TKL board (Cherry MX Brown) both are much quieter with O-rings installed and feel soft with bottoming-out.
The O-rings used with the Novatouch board besides of being ineffective in noise dampening, as they are with Cherry MX boards are also don't cushion the feel of bottoming out because the design of the modified switches won't allow this. Basically: they are useless.
I am used to this soft, cushy, pleasant feeling with my other boards, while typing with this board feels like my fingers while bottoming out are hitting the surface that is too hard, which is not at all pleasant.
Also: the stabilizers in Novatouch board are the noisiest of all I ever heard.
They are audibly "rattling", while Cherry MX boards that I'm used to are designed in a such way that it's much easier to get their stabilizers lubed and thus quieter.
Also: with O-rings applied the keys are not as sensitive and occasionally don't register the key-strokes.
For example: I switch a keyboard layout with combination of CTRL+Shift
keys, and with the O-rings this combination occasionally don't
register, so I needed remove the rings, besides: they don't dampen the sound to begin with.
In conclusion: I like my boards to be not only smooth, but also quiet and cushy with bottoming out and my Novotouch board is not that, thus I am on the fence now.
To me: it's either selling this board (I have purchased it from a reviewer, who sold his review board to me quite inexpensively), possibly just get used to the board with time, or invest my time in trying to do a sound dampening mode myself (dental rings?), which I am not comfortable with, unless I can read, or watch a good video guide on how to do this.
« Last Edit: Sat, 25 October 2014, 12:34:25 by telegraphist »

Offline dante

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Re: My initial impressions: Novotouch.
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 03 October 2014, 13:48:30 »
If noisy stabilizers bother you - don't buy a Realforce 87U Silent.  The whole board was extremely quiet (including the space bar)  ...  except the backspace, enter, and shift keys.  You end up saying to yourself ".....soooooo close!" :(

The factory needs better QC / more lube before approving.

Offline telegraphist

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Good Novotouch, or Realforce noice dumpening mode guide?
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 03 October 2014, 13:59:51 »
I would really appreciate if somebody could help me with links to the good, comprehensive Novotouch, or Realforce noice dumpening mode guides.
I have read such a guide somewhere on this board before, but lost the link to it.

Offline Matter

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Re: My initial impressions: Novatouch.
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 06 October 2014, 05:50:56 »
Anyone tried both the Novatouch and HHKB?

Want to compare them both in detail before I decide which one I want to buy.

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Re: Good Novotouch, or Realforce noice dumpening mode guide?
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 06 October 2014, 06:12:30 »
I would really appreciate if somebody could help me with links to the good, comprehensive Novotouch, or Realforce noice dumpening mode guides.
I have read such a guide somewhere on this board before, but lost the link to it.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49046.0
Please consider carefully before you decide to comment, for Jesus.

Offline telegraphist

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Re: Good Novotouch, or Realforce noice dumpening mode guide?
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:34:38 »
I would really appreciate if somebody could help me with links to the good, comprehensive Novotouch, or Realforce noice dumpening mode guides.
I have read such a guide somewhere on this board before, but lost the link to it.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49046.0
Thank you, intelli78 this is indeed a lost link to a guide I was talking about :thumb:
« Last Edit: Sat, 25 October 2014, 12:03:57 by telegraphist »

Offline deci

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Re: My initial impressions: Novatouch.
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 14 October 2014, 17:00:49 »
The o-rings for the novatouch don't really have much effect on the stock keycaps.
What they are for is increasing the height and clearance of other keycap sets that aren't as tall.
If you put dolch or anything cherry profile on there, you will no what I mean.
You might want to look into Soft Landing pads instead of o-rings.

As for sound dampening, just lubing the switches or atleast the stabilizers will make a big difference.
If you are going to dental band mod, you should be aware that this will affect the feel quite a bit as it shortens the travel distance by about 1 - 1.5 mm which is quite a bit.

I am using vortex thick pbt keycaps with o-rings on my novatouch with all stabs lubed and dental band mod on only the spacebar. I also removed the top spring on the spacebar.
It is pretty quiet. More quiet than my HHKB that is completely lubed (but not o-ringed or dental banded)

Offline deci

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Re: My initial impressions: Novatouch.
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 14 October 2014, 18:03:35 »
Anyone tried both the Novatouch and HHKB?

Want to compare them both in detail before I decide which one I want to buy.

I have both. They feel very different due to the fact that hhkb is plastic case mounted and novatouch is steel plate mounted.

Hhkb:
Smaller, lighter, weird keyboard layout, but much higher quality key caps.
It feels much better to type on IMO. The actuation force is harder but the landing is much softer.
The sound is much thockier and there's no stabilizer rattle at all. You can make it programmable by adding a Teensie board (soddering skills required).
After market keycaps for Topre almost impossible to find other than $150 Realforce sets.
Uses mini USB (but does not work with all USB hubs).
Overall build quality is extremely good but it slides around on your desk a little sometimes because the rubber feet are a joke.

Novatouch:
TKL size, very sturdy case. Nice matte finish (not rubber).
Not as nice to type on as other Topre boards but starts to feel much better when you put other keycaps on it. (I like thick pbt or OG dolch with o-rings, I have heard SA is really good on it)
The actuation is lighter than HHKB (to me it's not as nice to type on but better for gaming). The bottom out is kinda harsh though. My friend said it makes her fingers feel weird.
Sound is not great but much improved with thicker keycaps. The stabilizers can be loose or rattle, different people have different ones affected by this.
Uses MX keycaps so you can use whatever you want, but Novatouch seems to be designed for higher profile caps so shorter ones like cherry profile will have clearance issues with the stabs hitting the roof of the keycap and making a loud clacking noise. Need to use thick o-rings or maybe landing pads to prevent this.
Uses micro USB
Very good build quality and although not as heavy as a RF, I actually like the case much more.

Hope this info helps  ;D

Offline _PixelNinja

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Re: My initial impressions: Novatouch.
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 16:25:51 »
Nice matte finish (not rubber).
The finish is in fact a very fine grain rubber which has been UV coated.

Offline telegraphist

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Re: My initial impressions: Novatouch.
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 18 October 2014, 07:14:19 »
Well, I decided that to me, personally, the best solution would have been a sound dampening mod, which would hopefully might have soften a rather hard feeling of a keystroke as well as audibly "rattling" stabilizers :(
That is, if I would have decided to hassle with this.
But I decided to avoid all the hassles and risks associated with this and simply sold the board, while it's still nice and new.
CM Novatouch Is clearly is not my cup of tea.
Here are about 1/10-th of the links I have dug up, while researching for a possible mod, hope they could be of help to more adventurous :D than me.
http://www.geocities.co.jp/kousaku_situ/silent_realforce/srf-pata1.html (Chrome browser acceptably well translates this Japanese page)
http://www.micro-tools.com/store/P-LB132/Light-Baffle-03125--132.aspx
http://www.micro-tools.com/store/~/C-411/Cutting-Tools.aspx
http://www.micro-tools.com/store/~/C-406/Hole-Punches.aspx
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34972.0
http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/hhkp-pro-jp-variable-force-silencing-mods-t5196.html
http://imgur.com/a/8vnHb
http://deskthority.net/photos-f62/did-a-silence-mod-on-my-topre-88ub-t5955.html
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40465.30
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53990.0#post_dim
http://www.amazon.com/Sheet-Adhesive-Backed-Black-Length-Durometer/dp/B00CCGW2B0/ref=sr_1_2?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1413066956&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KE17JO/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_n_2?rh=n%3A16310091%2Cn%3A%2116310161%2Cn%3A16310191%2Cn%3A350666011%2Cn%3A6469763011&bbn=350666011&ie=UTF8&qid=1412507546&rnid=350666011
« Last Edit: Sat, 25 October 2014, 11:58:52 by telegraphist »