[IC] DCS 9009 (GB complete)

[paulgali]

DCS 9009

GB link: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114600.0

GB complete

Cannonkeys target prices are as follows:

Base, 200MOQ, $120
Alps, 75MOQ, $115
Extensions, 100MOQ, $35
Row 5, 50MOQ, $22
Relegendable, 50MOQ, $25

Regional vendors will provide pricing closer to the GB dates due to current exchange rates jumping around.

IC feedback form

The focus of this specific IC is on kitting. I'd like to get feedback on this now, so I can make several changes. I am waiting for SP to come back to me specifically with certain icon samples.

You know what 9009 is, and I wanted a basic, boring beige DCS set. I've been lazy since October, but now I want to push ahead. There's the inspiration. Red alert's color scheme, nor sleeper, were for me. This set uses Signature Plastics' classic WYSE fontface, making for once damn clean look :nut: _{wait this isn't discord}...

WHY???

DCS does have much thinner plastic, and whilst this is (incorrectly) believed to be a detriment to quality caps, I have yet to find people who say they hate how it feels and sounds. Think of it as a more 'chirpy' cap, which simultaneously allows you to really feel the switch more. Simple physics, thin cap = less force dampening

Colors

Using stock SP colors, and compared to GMK

Expect a 5-10 USD Difference when vendors confirm pricing. My targets are relatively aggressive, considering MOQ breakdown

Base - $120 Target

Extensions (basic 40s and spaces) - $35 Target

Spacebars under 4.5u are always concave. Nothing I can do about that, so imagine blank shift keys just alpha colored.

Row 5 replacement kit - $25 Target

SP calls it R5. It makes more sense to call it R0 but eh, whatever.

For clarity, this is how R5 SP is profiled:

Relegendables (per row, 1-4) - $25 Target

Alps kit - $110 Target

A message direct from SP:

Alps doubleshot keys are cosmetically difficult to mold. The stem doesn’t have much plastic to hang onto when we mold a first shot under the key, so your customers should be aware that too much removal of the key from the switch could result in the switch breaking (we can’t offer replacements for these).

Deskmats

More

No.

If you want a themed mat, go ask Omnitype to make more. There are 1000s of deskmat designs, go use one of them.

Render samples

Render samples are just to give you an idea of how it looks. Colors have been matched as accurately as possible

Seen here on the Safa 5.88

Vendors & Pricing

All prices are my targets based on specific MOQs and feedback from certain vendors.

Group buy set to go live early September!!

US - Cannonkeys

EU - MyKeyboard.eu

UK - Prototypist

Oceania - Daily Clack

SEAS - Hex Keyboard

India - Rectangles.store

Canada - Apexkeyboards

For Gulf states, I recommend buying from Hex. I will accommodate shipping for the region specifically unless you choose to use SNS.

Updates

2021-04-14: Mod pipe added. Since everyone seems upset about this

2021-05-18: Received new quotes for updated kitting

2021-05-18: Colors confirmed

2021-08-01: Renders complete

2021-08-04: Vendors confirmed, GB dates speculated, waiting final confirmation

Credits

Fooblitzky - a massive shoutout to this guy for making things open source. I had trouble modelling things myself, without this renders would be 110% worse.

Janglad - for being a good lad

Renderman Bachoo - amazing job helping me visualize this

Tom - for the advice with ISO kitting

Uncle - your red accented Insert is coming

Discord

http://discord.baul.xyz/

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[Pontus]

Yes! Finally more DCS!

[paulgali]

You were too quick for me, my browser didn't refresh. Uh, reserved but 2nd comment i guess

16/6/2021: After so much back and forth with certain people, and really my own preferences, I'm moving this back to Text+icon. It also makes more sense as some parts of this IC are a direct reference to G80 9009 HAU.

18/7/2021: Having trouble with certain vendors - working to resolve. Good news, rendering is working again, so hopefully soon ill be able to give updates. Something Something Alps

02/8/2021: Final Renders complete, final quotes being received from SP. GB target date set to early September. - Will bump thread with confirmed prices.

09/8/2021: GB target September 6th -> October 3rd. Awaiting Upas updates 

[kk73715]

I love the deskmat, really brings out the blue from Gater Ron's hat

[superdoedoe]

 

[whirlwind]

Perfection

[Badmutha]

Glad to see more DCS sets being made. Nice work on the kitting too

[10peaches]

Alps please?


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[stimuz]

 

[Bunn3y]

Just go to GB already, let me buy this!!!

Seriously though, this is so nice. GLWIC 

[paulgali]

Alps please?


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Hiney and I had a nice conversation about this. We agreed I will run MX, in the future, he will run alps. No idea what he plans colorwise but ill happily share this stuff with him, should he want it. He has no timeline for it yet.

[lovidore]

beige by baul is the blay

edit: form filled btw

[swomi]

Finally a beige dcs set 

[Omarpixel9]

Nippled F and J so good, excited for this 

[RA Can]

It's been a while since I wanted to try DCS but I couldn't find sets that I like, this is perfect.

[MK47]

Nice Baul. Form filled.

[huey]

blessed

[gilbert]

good job baul!

[guypigeotto]

beige baybeeeeeeee
DCS is great, this is good too (wish it wasn't icon mods but whatever)

[darkcl]

  always want to try DCS, glwic

[ephemeral25]

Finally a nice and simple DCS kit. I am in.

Please consider R3 pipe for the only superior ISO layout with full left shift

[of_sam]

Wonderful IC Paul. Best of luck with everything. I am in.

[Juan.]

i like beige keycap. mmmmmm

[P103]

Great to see relegendables too, nice.

[Jampot_298]

Nice. Great work Paul, keep it up!

[Poesjuh]

Please include mod colored 1.5u pipe
Literally the one key missing for an imo perfect base kit.

[kyuut]

great job paul

[justinhigley]

Is this ABS or PBT? Guessing ABS since you referenced F13 being made but I wanted to double check.

[dallman5]

Cool project, but I don't understand the legend choices for shift and caps. SP DCS does have an icon caps lock that looks normal, not like that strange hybrid one you posted (see DCS Rebel/OTD Red Alert). Same goes for shift, they have legends that are more boxy like the GMK icon mods. I'm personally not a big fan of the skinny arrows you currently have rendered, they really don't look coherent with the rest of the set. Photo credit goes to LightningXI.

Excited to see someone taking a stab at this colorway in a different profile tho, will be following closely!

[Toscoe]

Love the font, the philosophy, the deskmats rock as well 

[yui_]

Cool project, but I don't understand the legend choices for shift and caps. SP DCS does have an icon caps lock that looks normal, not like that strange hybrid one you posted (see DCS Rebel/OTD Red Alert). Same goes for shift, they have legends that are more boxy like the GMK icon mods. I'm personally not a big fan of the skinny arrows you currently have rendered, they really don't look coherent with the rest of the set. Photo credit goes to LightningXI.

Excited to see someone taking a stab at this colorway in a different profile tho, will be following closely!

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Thanks for articulating it better than I could.

GLWIC Paul! With these changes in legends I would be very interested.

[paulgali]

Cool project, but I don't understand the legend choices for shift and caps. SP DCS does have an icon caps lock that looks normal, not like that strange hybrid one you posted (see DCS Rebel/OTD Red Alert). Same goes for shift, they have legends that are more boxy like the GMK icon mods. I'm personally not a big fan of the skinny arrows you currently have rendered, they really don't look coherent with the rest of the set. Photo credit goes to LightningXI.

Excited to see someone taking a stab at this colorway in a different profile tho, will be following closely!

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This kind of feedback is exactly why I IC'd rather than spend time on legends that may or may not be sufficient for those true fans of DCS WYSE style caps. I'm waiting for SP to come back to me with physical samples before making changes. As for the shifts, this must be an error in the CAD on my part - duly noted, and thank you for pointing that out. CapsLock, I must have a very strange version. I'll see if I can get a super high res version of it and work some magic (rendering with WYSE sucked, any little helps!)... _{wait thats a tesco ad...}

[paulgali]

Cool project, but I don't understand the legend choices for shift and caps. SP DCS does have an icon caps lock that looks normal, not like that strange hybrid one you posted (see DCS Rebel/OTD Red Alert). Same goes for shift, they have legends that are more boxy like the GMK icon mods. I'm personally not a big fan of the skinny arrows you currently have rendered, they really don't look coherent with the rest of the set. Photo credit goes to LightningXI.

Excited to see someone taking a stab at this colorway in a different profile tho, will be following closely!

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Thanks for articulating it better than I could.

GLWIC Paul! With these changes in legends I would be very interested.

Check the last comment. This is actually feedback i wanted, sometimes I fkn love it when yall are like this <3

[Photekq]

Check the last comment. This is actually feedback i wanted, sometimes I fkn love it when yall are like this <3

If you end up going with those legends from the Rebel Red Alert/OTD Red Alert set please give credit to sixty from deskthority and Uranium from OTD. Those guys spent countless hours getting the right legend selection with SP.

Also, for full reference, that set came with two options for shift/tab legends. Seen here:



I'm personally a fan of the smaller, thicker shifts and the larger tab, demonstrated here:

[GarrettSucks]

Who's Dixie?

[finalarcadia]

R0 in base. Thick shift. Not sure about that big tab. In for all kits. Also stepped Ctrl pls?

[fruitykeeb]

Wow! This looks really crisp!

[paulgali]

Who's Dixie?

I'll still call you by discord name, it's old habbits. Updated to the new name

[paulgali]

R0 in base. Thick shift. Not sure about that big tab. In for all kits. Also stepped Ctrl pls?

A thick shift will come. The current tab is smaller than that on the ones found on OTD red alert. Again, once I get samples from SP, I can reconfirm and remodel where required.

Stepped control? Put it in the form so I can track, but I definitely, I'm down for that! Thank's for the support too! <3

[Altephor]

I said this in the IC form but might as well say it here to see what others might think.

I would like for there to be a second numpad 5 barred variant for anyone who prefers barred over nipple. Just seems odd to me having bar and nip F + J but not 5.

[Bachoo]

Thank you for creating this you beautiful man.

[kumori]

looks simple and nice, glad you got perms from janglad;
glwic!

[Extra-Cwispy]

Interested in getting my hands on a DCS set, and ya gotta love 9009! GLWIC!

[hottrout]

I'd better call baul.

[paulgali]

SP needs some time to come back to me as I asked them for a lot of icon samples (I want to see the options I have before I make changes that I personally want). This won't be a rushed project.

Mod pipe will be added - yall are god damn thirsty for it! 

[elmo]

I love you for this baul

[zoo]

interest checked o.O

[HungerMechanic]

When do you release more renders, put one up on the Frog TKL!

[tex_live_utility]

Looks great. Good old beige!

That said, I'm really curious how much more expensive this would be if it were PBT. PBT DCS is a lot nicer to me than ABS DCS.

[treeleaf64]

Want

[Nuclear Nachos]

very cool

[HappyB0T]

Super interested! Also love the honesty on the relegendables - made me lol : D!

[Puddsy]

to my eye RCU is way off but otherwise i will never not buy a DCS set these days

[Avijit]

What about some dcs pbt

[soloplayer]

if only SP started produce thick DCS 

[hali]

been having my eye on this for a while. can we get a red alert-esque icon only purse, x box backspace, icon only enter, and front printed sys rq and break?

[Mikhail]

Center stem stepped capslock here?
Why not DCS WYSE? Same classic white/gray scheme with navy font and yellow accent. If we love DCS we don’t need a halfsteps.

[treeleaf64]

if only SP started produce thick DCS 

I dont mind having the thin DCS I've typed on it before and it lets you feel the switch more. It shows you the difference between the switches more.
I quite like the sound of DCS on some keyboards too!

That was the most coherent thing the treeleaf has said in a while

[Fe]

nice baul

[paulgali]

Looks great. Good old beige!

That said, I'm really curious how much more expensive this would be if it were PBT. PBT DCS is a lot nicer to me than ABS DCS.

The quotes for PBT for a base kit this large are insane - to the point that at the large MOQ breaks its more to manu than i would be selling as this in ABS. Future plans are for more DCS sets with smaller kits but ran in PBT, its the only feasible way.

[paulgali]

Center stem stepped capslock here?
Why not DCS WYSE? Same classic white/gray scheme with navy font and yellow accent. If we love DCS we don’t need a halfsteps.

• Confirming a few things such as the stem locations for the stepped caps with SP. This is still an early IC
• I personally am not a fan of the WYSE grey colors. I wanted beige specifically, just following the traditional fontface. Unsure what you mean by halfsteps.

[paulgali]

When do you release more renders, put one up on the Frog TKL!

It'll be rendered on my own TKL soon 

[paulgali]

been having my eye on this for a while. can we get a red alert-esque icon only purse, x box backspace, icon only enter, and front printed sys rq and break?

Those are all things being confirmed. With the renders coming soon, I'll have several options for people to vote on. I'm not a fan of the backspace, but it does have a charm to it! And yes to caps, I traced it to be able to render it. Just been busy.

[paulgali]

Super interested! Also love the honesty on the relegendables - made me lol : D!

Better be honest than come up with some BS. When I get the sample set, I'll make models from scans of that. Keep it accurate for those who else want to use the models in the future too

[Mikhail]

Center stem stepped capslock here?
Why not DCS WYSE? Same classic white/gray scheme with navy font and yellow accent. If we love DCS we don’t need a halfsteps.

• Confirming a few things such as the stem locations for the stepped caps with SP. This is still an early IC
• I personally am not a fan of the WYSE grey colors. I wanted beige specifically, just following the traditional fontface. Unsure what you mean by halfsteps.

It would be cool to have usual stepped capslock and center stem stepped capslock both. Super cool for hotswap PCBs.
Yea, i realise that WYSE colors are really too gray! Cherry beige colors are more usual.



Downside view because tops are burned in peroxide.
I mean "not for hardcore WYSE fans", but actually DCS is very close to Topre and Space Invaders caps too.

[paulgali]

It would be cool to have usual stepped capslock and center stem stepped capslock both. Super cool for hotswap PCBs.

Downside view because tops are burned in peroxide.
I mean "not for hardcore WYSE fans", but actually DCS is very close to Topre and Space Invaders caps too.

That's an awesome suggestion. Also, peroxide? Sir you're a madman and I love it 

[Mikhail]

It would be cool to have usual stepped capslock and center stem stepped capslock both. Super cool for hotswap PCBs.

Downside view because tops are burned in peroxide.
I mean "not for hardcore WYSE fans", but actually DCS is very close to Topre and Space Invaders caps too.

That's an awesome suggestion. Also, peroxide? Sir you're a madman and I love it 

DCS CC&G:



I get the set of THICK DCS from WYSE PCE ANSI and find that it have contact issue in heavy form
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113089.0
And this caps have almost brown yellowing)

[Mikhail]

Also maybe make mods with ANSI style with descriptions (Shift, Enter, Tab, Backspase)?
Or why ISO Enter have Enter lettering))

[azzipa]

base kit already large, but is there any way to get R1 "=" key for numpad?
anyway, glwic 

[Mr_Spaceman]

Will definitely acquire. Thank you, baul.

[paulgali]

Also maybe make mods with ANSI style with descriptions (Shift, Enter, Tab, Backspase)?
Or why ISO Enter have Enter lettering))

I mentioned in the old kitting, that everything would be moving to icon only (so no text on any of the mods). It was a mistake in the renders

[Zetina]

Simple, Nice and Clean

[Mikhail]

Success!
Chinese clone of this set is already sells))
(Actually cherry prof. with "wyse"/SA font)

https://aliexpress.ru/item/1005001841920222.html?srcSns=sns_Copy&spreadType=socialShare&bizType=ProductDetail&social_params=40071012254&aff_fcid=5535b2b71354462295225ee401f3cf7d-1623781849013-06623-_9JNTDZ&tt=MG&aff_fsk=_9JNTDZ&aff_platform=default&sk=_9JNTDZ&aff_trace_key=5535b2b71354462295225ee401f3cf7d-1623781849013-06623-_9JNTDZ&shareId=40071012254&businessType=ProductDetail&platform=AE&terminal_id=78d30c4bd08c49d5aacdd557ba91f0bc

[pixelpusher]

any chance of using cherry font like DCS Sleeper used?  Really impressed with the work on that set.

[paulgali]

any chance of using cherry font like DCS Sleeper used?  Really impressed with the work on that set.

I would, but gmk 9009 exists, so whats the point. I prefer how WYSE looks on DCS personally, and is why I am sticking to it.

[cdhoffmann]

Now that it's icon+text i am in. Thx!

[shutuphamish]

hype for this. ideally pbt would be best but i understand the proce concern. good luck with this and i hope to see it in gb soon!

[treeleaf64]

hype for this. ideally pbt would be best but i understand the proce concern. good luck with this and i hope to see it in gb soon!

What about some dcs pbt

Not saying this should be done in PBT because that's the job of the Baul
But would Love to see more DCS pbt My favorite keycap plastic, my favorite profile. My favorite look too. Yay yay yay

[HappyB0T]

Insert DCS 9009 hype here.

[finalarcadia]

Can I buy this yet

[Distracto]

Take my Money!

[paulgali]

Finally some good news!

Kits are finalized! Vendors confirmed, with a target start date of September 6th.

The return of classics are here. Beige never lost.

[Mdark205]

Alps kit so good, definitely getting!

[neon_tom]

No Canada vendor?

[paulgali]

No Canada vendor?

Do you have any recommendations? I'm happy to arrange this if it is urgent but after hunting around I haven't had a lot of interest from Canada itself.

Sam (kuma) wanted to run this, and left the server a week later when I assume he thought there was no activity on the project. And to be honest, kuma is 110% a big nope.

[hali]

love it

[paulgali]

Good news for Canadian chaps and chappettes? I'll sort you out with a vendor, and update the main post when finalized 

[neon_tom]

Good news for Canadian chaps and chappettes? I'll sort you out with a vendor, and update the main post when finalized 

Muchly appreciated. It’s always nice not to have to pay import charges on an order from the US.

[Pyroo]

this looks very nice thank you baul

[paulgali]

Apexkeyboards Confirmed! LETS GOOOOOOOO 

[MikeTheTiger]

This looks nice! Is there a R2 ESC key for 40% boards?

[HungerMechanic]

Now that we're bringing classic sets like 9009 and Honeywell into DCS, can we get some of the more exotic but restrained ABS sets like GMK Ocean Dolch, Skidolcha, Tai Hao Kingfisher, JTK Yolch, and maybe some of the crazier ABS ones like Nautilus Nightmares [gotta admit that one needs a do-over and would look good in DCS.]

I don't know if we'll ever see ePBT Slate again, but what about DCS Slate?

Anyway, this is probably the wrong place to ask.

[paulgali]

Now that we're bringing classic sets like 9009 and Honeywell into DCS, can we get some of the more exotic but restrained ABS sets like GMK Ocean Dolch, Skidolcha, Tai Hao Kingfisher, JTK Yolch, and maybe some of the crazier ABS ones like Nautilus Nightmares [gotta admit that one needs a do-over and would look good in DCS.]

I don't know if we'll ever see ePBT Slate again, but what about DCS Slate?

Anyway, this is probably the wrong place to ask.

Always feel free to ask. I have more DCS in the pipeline, but this time smaller base kits with more child kits. 9009 was kitted with 'big base' because, well, its beige, and a one size fits all (well most) was the best approach. However for almost every other instance, smaller kits are easier to wok with, and SPs pricing is significantly better off with smaller kits and higher MOQ.

In short, yes yes and yes!!! Jump into discord, throw some ideas there. I have plans for pbt as well, and colors are not as troublesome as one may think

[paulgali]

hype for this. ideally pbt would be best but i understand the proce concern. good luck with this and i hope to see it in gb soon!

I dont think i addressed this but, at the same MOQ, the cost alone would be close to $160, including vendor markups, and not including shipping, for the same base kit. PBT works with smaller bases and child kits. I wish i could but given DCS is not hugely popular already, ABS for this set at least was teh way to go. Plus, ABS DCS sounds insane. I'm unsure about pbt 

[PixelPlays__]

Following! Been needing a nice Alps kit

[_IanOfEarth]

Excellent kitting! Like this a lot

[elmo]

Alps kit yes!

But no numpad?

[_rubik]

+1 on Alps (figured the more noise we make, the better our odds )

[paulgali]

Alps kit yes!

But no numpad?

Given the low expectation of ALPS kit sales, its at a significantly low MOQ compared to the regular mx base.

That being said, if the alps kit does well, I will try my best to get some in stock numpad kits that can be put onto preorder. That, in the end, is each vendor's choice to support, but its something I am willing to push.

And no, it wont be charged at a premium for it being in stock, if you have purchased an ALPS base. I'll always try to support where I can 

[notquant]

LFG Paul this bangs! Thanks for the good Canada proxy. Looking forward to this.

[Friendship]

Alps kit yes!

But no numpad?

Given the low expectation of ALPS kit sales, its at a significantly low MOQ compared to the regular mx base.

That being said, if the alps kit does well, I will try my best to get some in stock numpad kits that can be put onto preorder. That, in the end, is each vendor's choice to support, but its something I am willing to push.

And no, it wont be charged at a premium for it being in stock, if you have purchased an ALPS base. I'll always try to support where I can 

ahhh two alps sets running now? this is awesome! and if I hop in on this, put my hat in the ring for the numpad

[Bub]

in for an alps kit GLWGB

[notquant]

Nice job Paul, looking forward to seeing some releg renders 

[paulgali]

Dates confirmed for September 15 - October 15th! LETS GOOOOO!

Cannonkeys target prices are as follows:

Base, 200MOQ, $120
Alps, 75MOQ, $115
Extensions, 100MOQ, $35
Row 5, 50MOQ, $22
Relegendable, 50MOQ, $25

Regional vendors will provide pricing closer to the GB dates

[Puddsy]

Dates confirmed for September 15 - October 15th! LETS GOOOOO!

Cannonkeys target prices are as follows:

Base, 200MOQ, $120
Alps, 75MOQ, $115
Extensions, 100MOQ, $35
Row 5, 50MOQ, $22
Relegendable, 50MOQ, $25

Regional vendors will provide pricing closer to the GB dates

my wallet is ready

[Rob27shred]

Dates confirmed for September 15 - October 15th! LETS GOOOOO!

Cannonkeys target prices are as follows:

Base, 200MOQ, $120
Alps, 75MOQ, $115
Extensions, 100MOQ, $35
Row 5, 50MOQ, $22
Relegendable, 50MOQ, $25

Regional vendors will provide pricing closer to the GB dates

my wallet is ready

Same

[geonworks]

ne 10u spacebar avail???

[dededecline]

It looks like there's 2.25u and 2.75u minibars in the extension kit, could 2u be added?

[MikeTheTiger]

It looks like there's 2.25u and 2.75u minibars in the extension kit, could 2u be added?

Also needs a r2 ESC.

[PeppyToad]

R2 Esc and 2u space (also for 2u-1.25u variant of Alice's left side) would indeed be nice to have, considering that the other 40s support keys are already in a child kit.

[Skelig]

Is the stem for the Alps ISO enter horizontally-oriented or vertically? Either way I'm in, but it would be handy to know if I'm going to have to modify my plate if I need to rotate that switch.