[IC] Holtite (hotswap) sockets

[Liam]

I am totally buying these. id go with the cheaper of the two imo.

The cheaper one's for LED mate.

[jal]

I am totally buying these. id go with the cheaper of the two imo.

The cheaper one's for LED mate.

To be clear, the IC discusses both lead and gold sockets. We are going with gold sockets, because The People Have Spoken. But matt2dlg might have been signaling a preference for the lead ones.

[rabbitfire]

I am totally buying these. id go with the cheaper of the two imo.

The cheaper one's for LED mate.

To be clear, the IC discusses both lead and gold sockets. We are going with gold sockets, because The People Have Spoken. But matt2dlg might have been signaling a preference for the lead ones.

yes, gold sockets pls...

[krisst]

I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the gold sockets are more resilient to tarnish and rust than the regular lead version. For a slight price increase, gold ones would be the preferred socket. I would imagine most buyers for these sockets are going to use it on boards that are not cheap, why not make it last longer if possible.

[jal]

I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the gold sockets are more resilient to tarnish and rust than the regular lead version. For a slight price increase, gold ones would be the preferred socket. I would imagine most buyers for these sockets are going to use it on boards that are not cheap, why not make it last longer if possible.

I have no data on longevity of the lead/tin vs. gold, and didn't see any in Digikey's documents, but could have missed something. I see it primarily as a aesthetic choice, as I'm assuming there are few of us using, e.g., Vipers or VE.As on ocean-going vessels on the bumpers of snowmobiles, but then I'm usually wrong, so who knows.

[cynviloq]

I'm interested in joining on the gold sockets - however have you reached out to TTI? Their watermark for 10,000 units is .1938 which is cheaper than Digikey.

https://www.ttiinc.com/content/ttiinc/en/apps/part-detail.html?partsNumber=7-1437514-0&mfgShortname=TYC&utm=te-hearst&channel=link&source=hearst&campaigns=mfg-te-connectivity&csp=WT.z_cid%3Dsp_TTI,Inc.-NorthAmerica_20120425_buyNow%26TE_cid%3DTTI,Inc.-NorthAmerica-1487190288812

[jal]

I'm interested in joining on the gold sockets - however have you reached out to TTI? Their watermark for 10,000 units is .1938 which is cheaper than Digikey.

https://www.ttiinc.com/content/ttiinc/en/apps/part-detail.html?partsNumber=7-1437514-0&mfgShortname=TYC&utm=te-hearst&channel=link&source=hearst&campaigns=mfg-te-connectivity&csp=WT.z_cid%3Dsp_TTI,Inc.-NorthAmerica_20120425_buyNow%26TE_cid%3DTTI,Inc.-NorthAmerica-1487190288812

Oh, awesome, thanks - I missed that somehow. I must be getting senile. I was about to push the button on the GB, but first let me contact them and sort a few details.

[cynviloq]

I'm interested in joining on the gold sockets - however have you reached out to TTI? Their watermark for 10,000 units is .1938 which is cheaper than Digikey.

https://www.ttiinc.com/content/ttiinc/en/apps/part-detail.html?partsNumber=7-1437514-0&mfgShortname=TYC&utm=te-hearst&channel=link&source=hearst&campaigns=mfg-te-connectivity&csp=WT.z_cid%3Dsp_TTI,Inc.-NorthAmerica_20120425_buyNow%26TE_cid%3DTTI,Inc.-NorthAmerica-1487190288812

Oh, awesome, thanks - I missed that somehow. I must be getting senile. I was about to push the button on the GB, but first let me contact them and sort a few details.

Sorry did not mean to delay the process... just figured if we can save ~1.5 cents across thousands of units, may be worth it.

[jal]

Oh, awesome, thanks - I missed that somehow. I must be getting senile. I was about to push the button on the GB, but first let me contact them and sort a few details.

Sorry did not mean to delay the process... just figured if we can save ~1.5 cents across thousands of units, may be worth it.

No need to apologize - I appreciate the notice, and think others will, too. It makes a significant-enough difference to be worth it. I just need to check with them on quantities, because if their inventory is accurate, we'll be on backorder.

[OfTheWild]

penny saved is a penny earned and all those cliches!
Thanks for lookin out!

[luumii]

Anyone know if these work with Duck orion pcbs? It seems to be pretty hit and miss since it works on some but not other duck boards

[E3E]

Anyone know if these work with Duck orion pcbs? It seems to be pretty hit and miss since it works on some but not other duck boards

I'm pretty sure it will work in the Orion v2 PCB. I can't say for certain, but it looked fine to me.

[rabbitfire]

Do we have any specific date for GB yet?

[jal]

Do we have any specific date for GB yet?

Nope. Soon. The holiday may get in the way a bit.

[jal]

Sorry for the continuing holdup. Communication with TTI has been a bit frustrating, and is continuing. Hopefully will get final numbers from them this week.

I really want to get this started - it is taking longer than I'd like. If I don't hear from TTI by Wednesday, I think we'll go with the Digikey pricing, and adjust down if TTI indeed can work. That would happen before billing, so the price would only go down, and we wouldn't hassle with refunds.

Thoughts?

[P1kas]

-Interested?
Yes.
-It would be best to pick either tin/lead or gold, what are your preferences?
Gold.
-Assuming you’re in for a packet of switch sockets, would you also go for the LED sockets?
Yes! SIP Sockets would make switch holtites pointless(They would halve the amount of desoldering when changing switch bottoms.) LED Holtites would make both components easily removable.
-Mr. T vs. Mothra: who wins?
I don't know either of these two characters/people.

As for your question about charging more/refunding, I'd rather wait a bit more and pay the final price.

[Hako]

I would personally prefer to start this sooner given that I will buy some regardless of what the final price ends up being and that we'll know the final pricing before invoicing anyways. I just want my sockets soon!

[P1kas]

I may have misunderstood your question.

The invoices would be made with the final price, whichever it ends up being?

In that case, then I'd like this to start soon.

[jal]

OK, thanks for the feedback. We won't need to worry about complicating pricing;  I got a quote from TTI this morning.

$0.19 each @ 20,000 pieces, they can package in lots of 100. 10K pieces available immediately, the balance in "10 weeks", except verbally they said it would be much faster than that. (But to be clear, please don't count on that, and I have no ability to influence it.)

Will finish up the GB text and start however getting that approved works this evening.

[bthezebra]

Sounds good and I am in when its up!

Sent from the love gun.

[Skuloth]

Sounds good to me.

[rabbitfire]

OK, thanks for the feedback. We won't need to worry about complicating pricing;  I got a quote from TTI this morning.

$0.19 each @ 20,000 pieces, they can package in lots of 100. 10K pieces available immediately, the balance in "10 weeks", except verbally they said it would be much faster than that. (But to be clear, please don't count on that, and I have no ability to influence it.)

Will finish up the GB text and start however getting that approved works this evening.

Finally! 

[CampAsAChamp]

In for 150/200 depending on which I would be able to order.

Happy this is finally gathering steam.

Good luck on the GB!

[poolside]

Interested in some switch sockets as well. Will the LED Holtites be gold?

[Photoelectric]

"In my very limited experience, sometimes pulling a switch will also pull the socket. "

To those who've already used these sockets in a PCB and tried removing a switch: do the switch legs get gripped quite tightly?  I'm a bit concerned about pulling a switch out which can then pull the socket out with it a bit.  Once there's a plate over the PCB, fixing those sockets would require taking out all of the switches.  If I pull carefully, is there still a pretty good chance of pulling out the socket?

Of course if the sockets don't budge easily once installed, then it's not a problem (hopefully).

[cynviloq]

"In my very limited experience, sometimes pulling a switch will also pull the socket. "

To those who've already used these sockets in a PCB and tried removing a switch: do the switch legs get gripped quite tightly?  I'm a bit concerned about pulling a switch out which can then pull the socket out with it a bit.  Once there's a plate over the PCB, fixing those sockets would require taking out all of the switches.  If I pull carefully, is there still a pretty good chance of pulling out the socket?

Of course if the sockets don't budge easily once installed, then it's not a problem (hopefully).

If you use the method of pressing down with the iron (or enough force honestly) - then the groove should catch the PCB and you should not be able to pull the socket out with the switch. I have removed switches from sockets 15-20 times without the socket pulling off (so far).

The fit of the switch into the socket varies depending on switch manufacturer -- I've noticed that Cherry switches can be a tight fit given the width of the legs, where as most other clones fit just fine for me.

[krisst]

"In my very limited experience, sometimes pulling a switch will also pull the socket. "

To those who've already used these sockets in a PCB and tried removing a switch: do the switch legs get gripped quite tightly?  I'm a bit concerned about pulling a switch out which can then pull the socket out with it a bit.  Once there's a plate over the PCB, fixing those sockets would require taking out all of the switches.  If I pull carefully, is there still a pretty good chance of pulling out the socket?

Of course if the sockets don't budge easily once installed, then it's not a problem (hopefully).

If you use the method of pressing down with the iron (or enough force honestly) - then the groove should catch the PCB and you should not be able to pull the socket out with the switch. I have removed switches from sockets 15-20 times without the socket pulling off (so far).

The fit of the switch into the socket varies depending on switch manufacturer -- I've noticed that Cherry switches can be a tight fit given the width of the legs, where as most other clones fit just fine for me.

From your experience, is it necessary to clip off the 2 plastic legs on switches if we are using holtites? Or if it is better to leave them on instead. Thanks.

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[Dvoraknolegends]

Is it too late to join? I need these for my upcoming Planck!


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[Dvoraknolegends]

I'm in for 150 if possible (200 if not) in gold.


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[rabbitfire]

Still waiting for this GB....

[DuFF]

I'm in for 400, possibly 500 switch sockets and 400-500 led, prefere gold.

[Captainbuttmonkey]

"In my very limited experience, sometimes pulling a switch will also pull the socket. "

To those who've already used these sockets in a PCB and tried removing a switch: do the switch legs get gripped quite tightly?  I'm a bit concerned about pulling a switch out which can then pull the socket out with it a bit.  Once there's a plate over the PCB, fixing those sockets would require taking out all of the switches.  If I pull carefully, is there still a pretty good chance of pulling out the socket?

Of course if the sockets don't budge easily once installed, then it's not a problem (hopefully).

I just finished a build using these about a week ago. I was using a leeku pcb and the fit of the socket within the pcb was pretty tight, I can't comment on any other pcbs but if yours has similar measurements to this one I would be amazed if you managed to pull out a socket. They are fixed to the pcb extremely well and it is not something I had even considered until I read your post.

"In my very limited experience, sometimes pulling a switch will also pull the socket. "

To those who've already used these sockets in a PCB and tried removing a switch: do the switch legs get gripped quite tightly?  I'm a bit concerned about pulling a switch out which can then pull the socket out with it a bit.  Once there's a plate over the PCB, fixing those sockets would require taking out all of the switches.  If I pull carefully, is there still a pretty good chance of pulling out the socket?

Of course if the sockets don't budge easily once installed, then it's not a problem (hopefully).

If you use the method of pressing down with the iron (or enough force honestly) - then the groove should catch the PCB and you should not be able to pull the socket out with the switch. I have removed switches from sockets 15-20 times without the socket pulling off (so far).

The fit of the switch into the socket varies depending on switch manufacturer -- I've noticed that Cherry switches can be a tight fit given the width of the legs, where as most other clones fit just fine for me.

From your experience, is it necessary to clip off the 2 plastic legs on switches if we are using holtites? Or if it is better to leave them on instead. Thanks.

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I don't think it makes any difference as long as your plate is doing its job. I have had pcb and plate mounted switches in this board and both of them have worked fine.

[ChitownM2]

definitely interested in these as well.

[ns90]

Sign me up.

[krisst]

@jal, any updates on when the GB will start? Thanks.

[rabbitfire]

Still waiting for this GB....

 

[Dvoraknolegends]

I'm in for 150 if possible (200 if not) in gold.


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[cynviloq]

I sent a message to jal a few days ago -- I would be willing to help run this GB if he has interest in receiving help or even take over if he's too busy.

[rabbitfire]

I sent a message to jal a few days ago -- I would be willing to help run this GB if he has interest in receiving help or even take over if he's too busy.

It is good idea if someone can take over this GB. I think we have enough people who are interested in buying holtite here. Still waiting for this GB.

[tofgerl]

Agreed. Ordering these form a local supplier would be prohibitably expensive under 200 pieces.

[King Icewind]

I hosted the previous GB for the holtites on keysofkings. If you'd like me to host it again, I'd be happy to.

Thanks,
Kevin

[jal]

Apologies for the delays.

I just posted the GB, it is waiting for mod approval.

[ChitownM2]

Great news.

[OfTheWild]

... holding pattern. This'll be nice to cross off the list. thanks for doing it 

[krisst]

Apologies for the delays.

I just posted the GB, it is waiting for mod approval.

It has been a while, have not seen the GB post. Where did you post it anyways. GH or reddit?

[jal]

Apologies for the delays.

I just posted the GB, it is waiting for mod approval.

It has been a while, have not seen the GB post. Where did you post it anyways. GH or reddit?

Yes, it has been a day and is still in limbo. (Posted here.)

I'll see if I can draw a mod's attention to it.

[user 18]

Apologies for the delays.

I just posted the GB, it is waiting for mod approval.

It has been a while, have not seen the GB post. Where did you post it anyways. GH or reddit?

Yes, it has been a day and is still in limbo. (Posted here.)

I'll see if I can draw a mod's attention to it.

Approved! https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88193

For future reference, for anyone waiting on approval, you can either PM any online mod to have it looked at, or report your own post, which will notify all the mods when they next sign in.

I've locked this thread now that the GB has been approved.