[GB] SA Oblivion - CONCLUDED

[FioraCorp]

Exactly.  It's maybe too many caps to piggyback into the git mods.  I dunno personally I don't think a git sdk would have a problem making MOQ but I don't really have a lot of experience with keyset gb's so /shrug but it would certainly be the cherry on top of this set for me though if it had it 

[Oblotzky]

Gotta bridge the waiting time, so here are some more renders! Last one, Hagoromo alphas with Monochrome modifiers (also available in specialties form now for those that missed the recent update) looks mighty fine IMO. Keyboard in question is the Mech27-TKL https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81351.0

[roostrc0gburn]

this set is the R6 killer

[My_Thoughts]

Any chance of a quarry coloured ISO option for enter and left shift?

You mean monochrome? Sadly I abandoned that idea because additional ISO enter keys are just so god damn pricey. I'm afraid Git and Monochrome legends are exclusive to the regular modifiers sans Colevrak because there it was very cheap to support and having a Git theme going that isn't supported by the Colevrak kit seemed absurd.

I'll have to evaluate this on the last days before the drop when I get the final pricing.

It's a challenging decision to make.  The grey/white colours in the set look really good but at the moment ISO cannot have a 100% monochrome board.  After Dasher/Dancer Massdrop pushed ahead and ran all the child deals which is great, but I can see that deciding where to put different colours enter/left shift keys is very hard to make.

[Cods]

Very nice, particularly the chalk with subtly coloured mods.
Still sculpted SA?

[TheNamesTy45]

These look glorious. As a fellow programmer, your color ways are hitting all of the right spots for my themes. I primarily use Atom with the One Dark theme and syntax and IntelliJ/Android Studio with the Darcula theme. If these become a thing, I'd have to restrain myself from ordering a set with white alphas and a set with the dark alphas (one for each of my TKL boards). Absolutely in love with the design, great job!

[fatpolomanjr]

I'd have to restrain myself from ordering a set with white alphas and a set with the dark alphas...

I have already given up on restraining myself from doing this. One for my Let's Split and one for my Ultimate Hacking Keyboard.

[TheNamesTy45]

I'd have to restrain myself from ordering a set with white alphas and a set with the dark alphas...

I have already given up on restraining myself from doing this. One for my Let's Split and one for my Ultimate Hacking Keyboard.

Let's Split. That's an interesting term in this scenario. On one hand, it refers to a keyboard. On the other hand, it is eerily similar to what I expect to hear from my girlfriend if and when she learns I do this.

[Oblotzky]

Alright guys. Kit's are now super-soft-locked.

Hah, good one.

Lets try this again:

Made an update at https://oblotzky.github.io/Oblivion/

- TKL kit has been removed and merged into each modifier kit. Simultaneously I removed duplicate function row keys, so instead of having 12 from alphas and 12 from TKL, you will now have 1-4 and 9-12 from Alphas and 5-8 from Modifiers, so only the Sandwich mode as I call it is possible now in the functions row.
- Shaved down some more on costs and ditched the WIN keys. Praise CODE. On the Git kit this meant removing the second pair of MERGE & BRANCH keys, had those duplicated before to reflect CTRL & ALT. The same goes for the right PUSH (Shift) which is now REBASE. A Git specialties kit has been added.
- ISO has been changed to allow for all three modifier themes. Overall I expect this to increase ISO sales to ensure MOQ of the International kits. ISO Enter and Shift are available in the three variants, and then you just add UK or International and you are set while not having any duplicate ISO Enter keys which are very pricey (5$ a pop or so).
- No more Quarry Alphas name, opted for what was right in front of me the whole time: Oblivion Alphas (and as such Oblivion Numpad, Oblivion Colevrak and Oblivion International)

Once more: The only changes I intend to do at this point are adding more labels to Ergodox (probably only the horizontal 1.5u modifiers), and I'm going to ask permission to use a logo to be included as the 5th key in the Communities kit in purple color. Stay tuned for what that turns out to be should I get a yes.

I will be focusing on another project for now while I let this version sink in.

Very nice, particularly the chalk with subtly coloured mods.
Still sculpted SA?

Yes, this set will be SA 1-1-2-3-4-3

[neon_tom]

This is really shaping up to be one of my more anticipated upcoming sets

[drakeonyou]

I need a lot to cover my pok3r, planck and shortcut split keyboard.

[a_ak57]

I can't even believe that I'm considering picking up both Oblivion and Hagoromo sets because I could put Oblviion on my Novatouch and Hagamoro on my soon-to-be-MXed HHKB (there's a 3D printed 6u SA topre spacebar I could get in white that would match close enough).  I mean I can in a vacuum, but not considering I'm already in on buys for I think 4-5 other sets (including R2 Penumbra).  This hobby is murderous.  I guess on the bright side, resale value for stuff is pretty good if not great so I could always sell some sets and not be out much.  Not that I will.

[FioraCorp]

Git Specialties!!  Best news all day.  Love the additional git keys like log, clean and diff!

[pizza_is_a_lie]

THANK YOU for Quarry/Monochroming ISO. I am DEFINITELY in on this. Big love for the Insert/Del/Home/End support for a 65% layout, too! I just want a drop date now!

[DannyHuynh]

Since we are still in waiting time, can I request a render with HHKB and FC980M? Preferably with Haragomo and Git

[TheNamesTy45]

I just now realized that this is really going to be a thing when Massdrop gets a production slot as you mentioned.

I'm beginning to console my wallet. I'm in love with this set in ways I can't explain. Beautiful, beautiful work.

[Elrick]

Gotta bridge the waiting time, so here are some more renders!

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This Key-set actually looks like Dolch on STEROIDS, Schwarzenegger would be proud of these.

[fax668]

So you could say this is the Dolch Lundgren of key sets!

[m3ll3n]

possible to add a R2 150 backspace as an alternative to the R2 150 delete key in specialties?

[yuppie]

Any chance of doing these in DSA or XDA? Or any other profile? Love this btw.

[Oblotzky]

possible to add a R2 150 backspace as an alternative to the R2 150 delete key in specialties?

Nope, I can't accomodate every last special snowflake request, sorry!

Any chance of doing these in DSA or XDA? Or any other profile? Love this btw.

I want to do GMK after SA has wrapped up, and while I personally don't have any love for DSA, I wouldn't object to it, but who knows what date it will be when I'll start working on that.

[m3ll3n]

possible to add a R2 150 backspace as an alternative to the R2 150 delete key in specialties?

Nope, I can't accomodate every last special snowflake request, sorry!

It's not just for me, it's for everyone with hhkb layout, most people use that key as backspace and not delete

[cynviloq]

possible to add a R2 150 backspace as an alternative to the R2 150 delete key in specialties?

Nope, I can't accomodate every last special snowflake request, sorry!

It's not just for me, it's for everyone with hhkb layout, most people use that key as backspace and not delete

You could get the "REVERT" key from the GIT Specialties instead, though it certainly seems that more people would demand an R2 1.5 BS over an R2 1.5 DEL. Was there a specific reason Delete was chosen  over Backspace for specialties? Most special mods packages have 1.5 Backspace.

[NotTheVacuum]

possible to add a R2 150 backspace as an alternative to the R2 150 delete key in specialties?

Nope, I can't accomodate every last special snowflake request, sorry!

It's not just for me, it's for everyone with hhkb layout, most people use that key as backspace and not delete

You could get the "REVERT" key from the GIT Specialties instead, though it certainly seems that more people would demand an R2 1.5 BS over an R2 1.5 DEL. Was there a specific reason Delete was chosen  over Backspace for specialties? Most special mods packages have 1.5 Backspace.

Relevant to my interest, I'm thinking about an HHKB with MX sliders and this set is on my radar - would I need the base kit + modifiers + the specialty modifiers? The result would be a DEL key instead of BS (as a Mac users, this is actually more natural to me)?

[cynviloq]

possible to add a R2 150 backspace as an alternative to the R2 150 delete key in specialties?

Nope, I can't accomodate every last special snowflake request, sorry!

It's not just for me, it's for everyone with hhkb layout, most people use that key as backspace and not delete

You could get the "REVERT" key from the GIT Specialties instead, though it certainly seems that more people would demand an R2 1.5 BS over an R2 1.5 DEL. Was there a specific reason Delete was chosen  over Backspace for specialties? Most special mods packages have 1.5 Backspace.

Relevant to my interest, I'm thinking about an HHKB with MX sliders and this set is on my radar - would I need the base kit + modifiers + the specialty modifiers? The result would be a DEL key instead of BS (as a Mac users, this is actually more natural to me)?

If you're a Mac user, I don't think you would want an R2 1.5 Delete.

As a Mac user to mirror on a normal keyboard, you would need a R1 Delete as it replaces the standard R1 backspace, not the R2 backslash.  The only difference is that on a Macbook Pro Retina (mine atleast), the Delete is 1.5, but the location is R1 so you would want an R1 1.75 Delete (which is not available in this set).

I would love to grab this set, but I do agree with m3ll3n that the R2 1.5 Delete instead of BS is an odd choice and also the reason I held off on Wolf Mark.

Some recent GB sets with R2 1.5 BS rather than R2 1.5 DEL:
GMK Coniferous
GMK Blue Alert
GMK Soware
SA Strong Spirit (which actually has both BS and DEL in the Tsagun kit)
SA 1965
SA Dasher and Dancer

The only one I saw with R2 1.5 DEL in a quick check was ... SA Grand Budapest...

[Oblotzky]

possible to add a R2 150 backspace as an alternative to the R2 150 delete key in specialties?

Nope, I can't accomodate every last special snowflake request, sorry!

It's not just for me, it's for everyone with hhkb layout, most people use that key as backspace and not delete

You could get the "REVERT" key from the GIT Specialties instead, though it certainly seems that more people would demand an R2 1.5 BS over an R2 1.5 DEL. Was there a specific reason Delete was chosen  over Backspace for specialties? Most special mods packages have 1.5 Backspace.

Relevant to my interest, I'm thinking about an HHKB with MX sliders and this set is on my radar - would I need the base kit + modifiers + the specialty modifiers? The result would be a DEL key instead of BS (as a Mac users, this is actually more natural to me)?

If you're a Mac user, I don't think you would want an R2 1.5 Delete.

As a Mac user to mirror on a normal keyboard, you would need a R1 Delete as it replaces the standard R1 backspace, not the R2 backslash.  The only difference is that on a Macbook Pro Retina (mine atleast), the Delete is 1.5, but the location is R1 so you would want an R1 1.75 Delete (which is not available in this set).

I would love to grab this set, but I do agree with m3ll3n that the R2 1.5 Delete instead of BS is an odd choice and also the reason I held off on Wolf Mark.

Some recent GB sets with R2 1.5 BS rather than R2 1.5 DEL:
GMK Coniferous
GMK Blue Alert
GMK Soware
SA Strong Spirit (which actually has both BS and DEL in the Tsagun kit)
SA 1965
SA Dasher and Dancer

The only one I saw with R2 1.5 DEL in a quick check was ... SA Grand Budapest...

Alright, I learned something here. I'm not using a specialty layout myself so some of the stuff I simply adapted from other sets while trying to understand why they did it there. Guess I didn't quite get it in this case. DELETE is what I got from The Amazing Chocolatier which was the basis of my initial version of the specialties kit. Godspeed uses ERASE, which I assume MiTo chose to have something between DELETE and BACKSPACE, to accomodate both users. I'll do some more research later and possibly be changing the legend. Thanks for your input!

[cynviloq]

possible to add a R2 150 backspace as an alternative to the R2 150 delete key in specialties?

Nope, I can't accomodate every last special snowflake request, sorry!

It's not just for me, it's for everyone with hhkb layout, most people use that key as backspace and not delete

You could get the "REVERT" key from the GIT Specialties instead, though it certainly seems that more people would demand an R2 1.5 BS over an R2 1.5 DEL. Was there a specific reason Delete was chosen  over Backspace for specialties? Most special mods packages have 1.5 Backspace.

Relevant to my interest, I'm thinking about an HHKB with MX sliders and this set is on my radar - would I need the base kit + modifiers + the specialty modifiers? The result would be a DEL key instead of BS (as a Mac users, this is actually more natural to me)?

If you're a Mac user, I don't think you would want an R2 1.5 Delete.

As a Mac user to mirror on a normal keyboard, you would need a R1 Delete as it replaces the standard R1 backspace, not the R2 backslash.  The only difference is that on a Macbook Pro Retina (mine atleast), the Delete is 1.5, but the location is R1 so you would want an R1 1.75 Delete (which is not available in this set).

I would love to grab this set, but I do agree with m3ll3n that the R2 1.5 Delete instead of BS is an odd choice and also the reason I held off on Wolf Mark.

Some recent GB sets with R2 1.5 BS rather than R2 1.5 DEL:
GMK Coniferous
GMK Blue Alert
GMK Soware
SA Strong Spirit (which actually has both BS and DEL in the Tsagun kit)
SA 1965
SA Dasher and Dancer

The only one I saw with R2 1.5 DEL in a quick check was ... SA Grand Budapest...

Alright, I learned something here. I'm not using a specialty layout myself so some of the stuff I simply adapted from other sets while trying to understand why they did it there. Guess I didn't quite get it in this case. DELETE is what I got from The Amazing Chocolatier which was the basis of my initial version of the specialties kit. Godspeed uses ERASE, which I assume MiTo chose to have something between DELETE and BACKSPACE, to accomodate both users. I'll do some more research later and possibly be changing the legend. Thanks for your input!

Thanks Oblotzky - would be much appreciated if you would consider it. The REVERT key is similar to an in between like Godspeed's ERASE, but I think having an R2 BS instead of DEL will end up with a longer life / more appeal in the secondhand market as well (if that's a consideration..)

[Sempre]

Alright, I learned something here. I'm not using a specialty layout myself so some of the stuff I simply adapted from other sets while trying to understand why they did it there. Guess I didn't quite get it in this case. DELETE is what I got from The Amazing Chocolatier which was the basis of my initial version of the specialties kit. Godspeed uses ERASE, which I assume MiTo chose to have something between DELETE and BACKSPACE, to accomodate both users. I'll do some more research later and possibly be changing the legend. Thanks for your input!

I have no stake in this but I do admire your understanding and attitude here

[a_ak57]

I think Backspace is the right choice as well.  The usage of Delete probably comes from the actual HHKB having it labeled as such, but I'd wager 98% of people flip the dip switch and turn that into Backspace.  I think it's a niche of a niche who'd want your key to be Delete instead of BS.

[NotTheVacuum]

HHKB is on order, so again - never typed on one, but I want them Topre feels. In any case, I was confused by R1 and R2 (it's on the second row, but sculpted sets typically use the R1 sculpt on that row). Mea culpa, and such like.

I just want a key that says either backspace or delete that fits in that spot
(all of this assumes I can get my mits on MX sliders, but by the time Oblivion ships that should be accomplished)

[a_ak57]

Do be aware that the HHKB uses a 6u spacebar, so you won't be able to use the spacebars from this kit.  There is an 6u topre SA spacebar on Shapeways but it won't color match perfectly (especially if you get the Oblivion kit) and there aren't many reports on the quality of it.

[Oblotzky]

Do be aware that the HHKB uses a 6u spacebar, so you won't be able to use the spacebars from this kit.  There is an 6u topre SA spacebar on Shapeways but it won't color match perfectly (especially if you get the Oblivion kit) and there aren't many reports on the quality of it.

[m3ll3n]

Do be aware that the HHKB uses a 6u spacebar, so you won't be able to use the spacebars from this kit.  There is an 6u topre SA spacebar on Shapeways but it won't color match perfectly (especially if you get the Oblivion kit) and there aren't many reports on the quality of it.

Edit: Apparently the spacebar has been improved upon a bit and might be a good fit now

[roostrc0gburn]

Do be aware that the HHKB uses a 6u spacebar, so you won't be able to use the spacebars from this kit.  There is an 6u topre SA spacebar on Shapeways but it won't color match perfectly (especially if you get the Oblivion kit) and there aren't many reports on the quality of it.

hope this is not an issue with the Duck Viper V2 that is on the way soon. i looked and could not find layout diagrams for the bottom row.

[a_ak57]

It uses a 7u bar so you will be fine (in fact I think basically all the MX boards that have an HHKB-style layout use a 7u bar).

[loud_asian]

Do be aware that the HHKB uses a 6u spacebar, so you won't be able to use the spacebars from this kit.  There is an 6u topre SA spacebar on Shapeways but it won't color match perfectly (especially if you get the Oblivion kit) and there aren't many reports on the quality of it.

hope this is not an issue with the Duck Viper V2 that is on the way soon. i looked and could not find layout diagrams for the bottom row.

1u, 1.5u, 7u, 1.5u, 1u

[pon10]

Cant hold it much longer ) wheeeeen is it dropping???

[NotTheVacuum]

Spent some time reviewing the sets as posted - I *think* an HHKB (for Mac users anyway) is fully covered by three sets: Alphas, Specialties, and MacOS.

Specialties gets you a 1U Alt and 1U Fn (R3) and the \ (R1), a 1.75U Shift (R4), 1.5U Delete (R2), and 7u Space. The MacOS kit is for the missing 1.5U R3 CMD and 1U R3 OPT keys, which completes the set.

If you can't live with CMD for your Win/Super key, you'd have to get the Git specialties (BRANCH, MERGE, STASH, APPLY) or 40 bit (XOR, JMP) for R3 1.5U specialties.

[GreyAmbience]

I can't even believe that I'm considering picking up both Oblivion and Hagoromo sets because I could put Oblviion on my Novatouch and Hagamoro on my soon-to-be-MXed HHKB (there's a 3D printed 6u SA topre spacebar I could get in white that would match close enough).  I mean I can in a vacuum, but not considering I'm already in on buys for I think 4-5 other sets (including R2 Penumbra).  This hobby is murderous.  I guess on the bright side, resale value for stuff is pretty good if not great so I could always sell some sets and not be out much.  Not that I will.

Hagomoro? Link please?

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[a_ak57]

I can't even believe that I'm considering picking up both Oblivion and Hagoromo sets because I could put Oblviion on my Novatouch and Hagamoro on my soon-to-be-MXed HHKB (there's a 3D printed 6u SA topre spacebar I could get in white that would match close enough).  I mean I can in a vacuum, but not considering I'm already in on buys for I think 4-5 other sets (including R2 Penumbra).  This hobby is murderous.  I guess on the bright side, resale value for stuff is pretty good if not great so I could always sell some sets and not be out much.  Not that I will.

Hagomoro? Link please?

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Hagoromo is the name for the white alphas/numpad variant of this set (Oblivion being the grey alphas/numpad).

[yuppie]

Run this in non-SA SOON pls

[Niomosy]

Run this in non-SA SOON pls

Yeah, unless you've already got an SA production slot, it's going to be a very long wait for SA.  People could likely have a DSA version in use long enough to want to switch to the SA version by the time SA production is set.

[LXXXIX]

Keep SA. It fits the aesthetic nicely.

This is gorgeous by the way.

[Niomosy]

Keep SA. It fits the aesthetic nicely.

This is gorgeous by the way.

Might as well do both.  You can have a DSA run started and finished before an SA production slot comes up.

[bmmcwhirt]

Keep SA. It fits the aesthetic nicely.

This is gorgeous by the way.

Might as well do both.  You can have a DSA run started and finished before an SA production slot comes up.

That actually doesn't make a lot of sense as you have to do the GB before you can even get a slot as SP requires payment in full to even reserve a spot so moving forward with SA is the best option otherwise your competing with yourself. You don't wait for a slot to open then do the GB you do it and get in line once you have the payment. You could start the SA Oblivion tomorrow if he wanted and had someone to run it. He could do a vote to se which people prefer, but I think you will find that SA will win that, but it might b a good idea to do so.

[testplsignore]

Count me in for a DSA run if it happens, huge fan of low profile 

Even better if it's running at Massdrop prices

[Niomosy]

Keep SA. It fits the aesthetic nicely.

This is gorgeous by the way.

Might as well do both.  You can have a DSA run started and finished before an SA production slot comes up.

That actually doesn't make a lot of sense as you have to do the GB before you can even get a slot as SP requires payment in full to even reserve a spot so moving forward with SA is the best option otherwise your competing with yourself. You don't wait for a slot to open then do the GB you do it and get in line once you have the payment. You could start the SA Oblivion tomorrow if he wanted and had someone to run it. He could do a vote to se which people prefer, but I think you will find that SA will win that, but it might b a good idea to do so.

You've also got to account for SP not currently accepting any more SA doubleshot orders until they get through current production.  In that time, you can likely get a DSA group buy handled from beginning to end before SA slots are able to be given out again.

[Teacob]

Git Specialties!!  Best news all day.  Love the additional git keys like log, clean and diff!

Yeah! Very cool, would def go for a set.

[AlexAtPanc]

YES! Can't wait for this!

[ca178858]

I didn't see an update on the function row after this:

TKL kit has been removed and merged into each modifier kit. Simultaneously I removed duplicate function row keys, so instead of having 12 from alphas and 12 from TKL, you will now have 1-4 and 9-12 from Alphas and 5-8 from Modifiers, so only the Sandwich mode as I call it is possible now in the functions row.

But https://oblotzky.github.io/Oblivion/ now shows the alphas with all 12 f-keys so that solid is possible again- is that the current plan? If its not, and theres no way to get a non-striped function row, would it at least be possible to get some R3 blanks?