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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 13:46:53 »

Your damn iPhones have a serial number and you worry about tracking? Your receipts from stores have a tracking number. Everything we own can be traced back to us by the government. Why are people worried about this?

This is an odd thought process and is kinda at the heart of why I personally had a very negative visceral reaction when I first saw this. Simply because much of our lives can be tracked and many people don't care doesn't mean no one should ever care.

It's like when people say "if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't worry about privacy invasions" Its a fallacious argument.

I'm not worried that Bunny and Bro are suddenly going to start becoming the NSA, I simply disagree on principle with adding one more thing to the ever increasing list of data trackable to an individual.

Are there bigger issues out there? Yeah, which is why I made a couple comments in irc (and a DeBeersCaps joke). But to just call it tin foil is completely unfounded.

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 13:48:05 »
this is some next-level ****, gg.

The privacy considerations here are minimal. It's just a serial number.

I'm sure there are some up-front+honest collectors that this may rub the wrong way, and shady-ass cap flippers will not like it either... regardless: if you don't like it then don't participate / buy caps.

All things considered I really like the idea!
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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 13:50:26 »
This is some next level **** haha trade depot idea love it
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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #53 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 13:50:31 »
Really good idea! Thats pretty sweet

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #54 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 13:51:19 »

Your damn iPhones have a serial number and you worry about tracking? Your receipts from stores have a tracking number. Everything we own can be traced back to us by the government. Why are people worried about this?

This is an odd thought process and is kinda at the heart of why I personally had a very negative visceral reaction when I first saw this. Simply because much of our lives can be tracked and many people don't care doesn't mean no one should ever care.

It's like when people say "if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't worry about privacy invasions" Its a fallacious argument.

I'm not worried that Bunny and Bro are suddenly going to start becoming the NSA, I simply disagree on principle with adding one more thing to the ever increasing list of data trackable to an individual.

Are there bigger issues out there? Yeah, which is why I made a couple comments in irc (and a DeBeersCaps joke). But to just call it tin foil is completely unfounded.

But BroCaps were already traceable through trades... I know from personal experience that I was able to verify a bunch of Reapers I traded and bought by asking who the person got them from etc etc
All this does is make it harder for scum to 'clone' Bro's work...

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #55 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 13:53:49 »
This is awesome, Bro. Excited about those points :)

and again,

Your damn iPhones have a serial number and you worry about tracking? Your receipts from stores have a tracking number. Everything we own can be traced back to us by the government. Why are people worried about this?

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« Reply #56 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 13:54:59 »
Neat!  Can't wait to try it all out.  :D

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #57 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 13:56:46 »
@ika when you said COA I thought of a windows COA, so my question is for bro;

Do I need to call you up to activate my brocap before being used on my board? XD

But serious time now, will this trading system by chance also facilitate adding a tracking number when something is sent, so you see if anyone actually sent something just to stop people scamming others?
And AND will this now having numbers also work into a system like Baldgye and VesperSAINT made with a gallery of all the keys released afterwords? :D
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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #58 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 13:57:17 »
Your damn iPhones have a serial number and you worry about tracking? Your receipts from stores have a tracking number. Everything we own can be traced back to us by the government. Why are people worried about this?




In this context, it's a business/artisan/community thing and Bro+Ctrlalt are trying to take their craft to the next level. If it makes someone uncomfortable, let them complain and then abstain - better chance for me to get a cap!

BUT

Just because "individually-identifiable tracking" is ubiquitous doesn't mean people should be comfortable with it. From my perspective, these little hobby plastics are nothing like government-sponsored mass-spying so I'm buying-in! Bring on the trade depot!
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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #59 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 13:58:21 »
This is awesome!

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #60 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 13:59:19 »
But serious time now, will this trading system by chance also facilitate adding a tracking number when something is sent, so you see if anyone actually sent something just to stop people scamming others?
And AND will this now having numbers also work into a system like Baldgye and VesperSAINT made with a gallery of all the keys released afterwords? :D


We are still working out the details on this, but essentially it's just a trade facilitation. Once the packages have been shipped, both parties can enter the tracking numbers into the trade transaction page. Then when they receive them, they can mark them as 'received'. When both members mark them as received, it will mark the transaction as 'successfully completed'.

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #61 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:00:15 »
But serious time now, will this trading system by chance also facilitate adding a tracking number when something is sent, so you see if anyone actually sent something just to stop people scamming others?
And AND will this now having numbers also work into a system like Baldgye and VesperSAINT made with a gallery of all the keys released afterwords? :D


We are still working out the details on this, but essentially it's just a trade facilitation. Once the packages have been shipped, both parties can enter the tracking numbers into the trade transaction page. Then when they receive them, they can mark them as 'received'. When both members mark them as received, it will mark the transaction as 'successfully completed'.

This is a way better system than Reddit's "post your trade here" method :\
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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #62 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:00:41 »
the conspiracy cry is from people pissed off they can no longer flip the caps for profit and continue to do so w/o getting caught.

Exactly this.  Any rational market for a good like this should embrace means of authenticating the good as legitimate.  The outcries are just from people paranoid that they'll get caught.  If they actually bothered to understand everything here, they'd see that that isn't really true since it's all opt in, even if I do wish it was.  The benefit of opting in is being able to show accurate provenance along with the ID. Provenance is something I love to have.

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #63 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:01:40 »
Big ups Bro.

I like the idea, and am looking forward to it.

If you, Bunny, Cody, Sent, Tym, or Margo wanna swing by my house and drink a beer or 7, feel free.

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:01:41 »
But serious time now, will this trading system by chance also facilitate adding a tracking number when something is sent, so you see if anyone actually sent something just to stop people scamming others?
And AND will this now having numbers also work into a system like Baldgye and VesperSAINT made with a gallery of all the keys released afterwords? :D


We are still working out the details on this, but essentially it's just a trade facilitation. Once the packages have been shipped, both parties can enter the tracking numbers into the trade transaction page. Then when they receive them, they can mark them as 'received'. When both members mark them as received, it will mark the transaction as 'successfully completed'.

This is a way better system than Reddit's "post your trade here" method :\


Well, we are not discouraging trading through traditional means, but we feel this is a nicer way of finding trades without having to bump threads, scroll through tons of other things you aren't interested in reading, etc.




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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:04:22 »
Bro stepping it up this is awesome. Now if only i could get a brocap >.<

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #66 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:05:38 »
Have you added support for giving caps away? Happens somewhat frequently.

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« Reply #67 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:06:37 »
Have you added support for giving caps away? Happens somewhat frequently.


If they don't already have a CTRL ALT account, they can just sign up and we will add the info to their account for them.

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« Reply #68 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:06:56 »
Sounds good to me.  I look forward to seeing it in action.
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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:11:18 »
Really good step against fakes; very well executed as well, it looks awesome! When will further details release, like some information on how many Bro Points you need to trade into another product/ what those products will be? :)

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #70 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:12:23 »
But serious time now, will this trading system by chance also facilitate adding a tracking number when something is sent, so you see if anyone actually sent something just to stop people scamming others?
And AND will this now having numbers also work into a system like Baldgye and VesperSAINT made with a gallery of all the keys released afterwords? :D


We are still working out the details on this, but essentially it's just a trade facilitation. Once the packages have been shipped, both parties can enter the tracking numbers into the trade transaction page. Then when they receive them, they can mark them as 'received'. When both members mark them as received, it will mark the transaction as 'successfully completed'.
Sounds pretty awesome though, I'm pretty awks when it comes to trades and always worry so I kinda like I would have a official route to do it, although the two I have traded with where stellar people! Anyway keep up the good work bro.
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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #71 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:20:49 »
The first time I read this I saw this as just a means of a Certificate of Authenticity, e.g. Never did I think of it as a means of privacy intrusion.

Subsequently, Bro & Co. will be able to pinpoint, if at all, who's selling theirs for an extreme profit, or abuse their caps in any other way, and possibly ban/warn them from/of future sales, should they wish to do so. I guess the only way they can do that is become notified of a marked-up sale, see some pics of the certificate, and see who originally owned that number.
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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #72 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:23:55 »
The paranoia is funny.  It's not like he's embedding passive GPS trackers in them...or is he?

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #73 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:30:57 »
Oh a rewards system! ;D

Like with visa etc very cool & good idea.

I also like how the serial looks.

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #74 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:32:06 »
I'm boycotting Brocaps from now on. This has to be some kind of ploy to catch me masturbating.  >:D

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #75 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:39:50 »
This has to be some kind of ploy to catch me masturbating.  >:D


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« Reply #76 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:42:13 »
Looking forward for a Gold Bro Card like my Gold Starbucks Card :D

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« Reply #77 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:45:33 »
Damn. This is both impressive and totally awesome. Good move  :thumb:
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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:46:18 »
Have you added support for giving caps away? Happens somewhat frequently.


If they don't already have a CTRL ALT account, they can just sign up and we will add the info to their account for them.

This, well actually e-mail sales but same theory, was my first and only concern (I pretty much have a tinfoil hat but ctrl alt are not the government...) so glad it's covered.

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« Reply #79 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:46:25 »
this is the most logical thing to hit Geekhack since...

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« Reply #80 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:46:28 »
Looking forward for a Gold Bro Card like my Gold Starbucks Card :D

Pff. I have one of those. But do you also have a Costco Executive card?
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« Reply #81 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:47:53 »
This has to be some kind of ploy to catch me masturbating.  >:D


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« Reply #82 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:49:31 »
Innovation at its best. Always at the forefront. Keep up the amazing work, Bro.


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« Reply #83 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:51:12 »
Innovation at its best. Always at the forefront. Keep up the amazing work, Bro.
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« Reply #84 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:53:55 »
halp I thin I'm lost

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #86 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 15:08:15 »
Holy crap just like microsoft! So sick BRO!  :cool:  :thumb:


This has to be some kind of ploy to catch me masturbating.  >:D


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« Reply #87 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 15:10:38 »
this is v nice. definitely a step forward
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« Reply #88 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 15:20:45 »
Wow!

How to turn a negative situation into a positive one! :D
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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #89 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 15:24:39 »
I love this new system. Way to innovate, Bro Caps :)

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #90 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 15:42:47 »
I think it's a great idea. But you should do one better and cast a raid tag into the caps. Have a batch made up and have different batch numbers for differnt types of caps

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« Reply #91 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 16:17:10 »
Will I be able to log in all my awesome moonpuhs & shiniami caps to trade for BroCaps on the site?

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #92 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 16:17:24 »
I simply disagree on principle with adding one more thing to the ever increasing list of data trackable to an individual.

I'm sorry if this seems like I'm picking on you, but I just want to understand the viewpoint.

This seems to me to be a very opt-in program, so I don't quite understand the concern.  If you don't want CtrlAlt knowing you've purchased a cap from someone, can't you just not tell them?  There's no way they can force you...  This is just a way to know that it's genuine.  Or am I missing something here?

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #93 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 16:19:43 »
You ain't missing ****, Hoff.

Totally up to the consumer to participate.

The only one who knows you bought a genuine Bro is CA, and they would know anyways because they sold it to you.
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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #94 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 16:26:08 »
I simply disagree on principle with adding one more thing to the ever increasing list of data trackable to an individual.

I'm sorry if this seems like I'm picking on you, but I just want to understand the viewpoint.

This seems to me to be a very opt-in program, so I don't quite understand the concern.  If you don't want CtrlAlt knowing you've purchased a cap from someone, can't you just not tell them?  There's no way they can force you...  This is just a way to know that it's genuine.  Or am I missing something here?

omgerd cant we hav sum privasee from the keyboard gesstapo
i dont want the en ess ay noing about my artizansss

Offline rpeterclark

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #95 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 16:36:58 »
This seems more like a points system than an authenticity mechanism. Those hologram stickers readily available and easy to recreate. A counterfeiter would only need to buy one  key and then resell that serial repeatedly.

The points are a fun idea though!

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #96 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 16:43:50 »
This seems more like a points system than an authenticity mechanism. Those hologram stickers readily available and easy to recreate. A counterfeiter would only need to buy one  key and then resell that serial repeatedly.

The points are a fun idea though!

These ain't no stickers, son.

So no chance of it coming off accidentally, right?

No sir, it is embedded within the cap. It will not peel off :)

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #97 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 16:48:11 »
This seems more like a points system than an authenticity mechanism. Those hologram stickers readily available and easy to recreate. A counterfeiter would only need to buy one  key and then resell that serial repeatedly.

The points are a fun idea though!

I don't understand your train of thought.

For example if I had cap #007 and kept selling duplicates of it, people would most definitely know. Where would I even advertise such a sale/trade?

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #98 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 17:06:27 »
This seems more like a points system than an authenticity mechanism. Those hologram stickers readily available and easy to recreate. A counterfeiter would only need to buy one  key and then resell that serial repeatedly.

The points are a fun idea though!

Actually, each number is specifically tied in with the cap style and stem type. So you can't simply guess numbers and try to pass them off. Every number can be verified. I can also speak more on the holograms themselves and the distinguishing factors. These aren't cheap off the shelf solutions.

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Re: Tru-Bro ID
« Reply #99 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 17:06:50 »
I simply disagree on principle with adding one more thing to the ever increasing list of data trackable to an individual.

I'm sorry if this seems like I'm picking on you, but I just want to understand the viewpoint.

This seems to me to be a very opt-in program, so I don't quite understand the concern.  If you don't want CtrlAlt knowing you've purchased a cap from someone, can't you just not tell them?  There's no way they can force you...  This is just a way to know that it's genuine.  Or am I missing something here?

you are literally giving us no more data than we already have

the id numbers are just there so you know your product is genuine, purchasing the cap from ctrl alt will be no different than it has been before

you can still trade the caps anyway you want, without logging any numbers etc

the bro points you can think of as a loyalty scheme, we simply want to give back to the people who support us

the trade hub is totally different, we are simply giving people the utility to trade caps, so you can match up with people who want the cap you have, and have the cap you want, rather than going through the frustrating process of posting a classifieds ad and dealing with tons of people offering you things you dont want

we are simply helping facilitate that, but we will not stop you trading any other way you want