Post by: zisb on Wed, 26 October 2016, 00:32:03
G'day,
Today I am really happy to present to you guys a project that 27 and I have been working on for the last 4 months.
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This product is a collaboration effort between Mech27 and Invyr.
The goal of this project was to create the smoothest possible factory linear switch. The manufacturer we have chosen for this project has provided samples that (without our tuning) are already smoother than the Gateron equivalent. The switches are made from POM, the standard self lubricating material used in switches, which will ensure a consistent and lasting quality.
Our tuning includes a 67g spring, and additional lubrication on both the slider and housing. The moulds we are using for both the top and stem will be produced for our order.
For aesthetic purposes we have chosen to make both the top and bottom housings in a ivory white.
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SHIPPING STATUS
Australia: Sent
Asia: Sent
Oceania: Sent
US: Sent
CA: Sent
EU: Sent
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GROUPBUY HERE: https://invyr.com
I am currently based in Australia so shipping costs are based off that. I also will be using proxies for a cheaper cost. $8 flat rate for United States, Canada and Australia. $15 flat rate for rest of the world.
The product is sold in both 110 packs and individually. Buying in packs of 110 gives you the GB discount.
The MoQ is currently 10372/8250 Switches
- It is $1 an individual switch, or $69.99 for 110!
- The switches will be getting a new mould to ensure lack of scratchiness
- The switches will be lubricated in factory
- By default it is plate mounted however if you send me a PM along with your order number/email I can get you a pcb mount version.
- 67g Springs will be in the switches
- They use an MX compatible linear stems
- The switches will fit in any MX Designed board, there are no significant differences to the housing other than the colour
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Pics:
http://i.imgur.com/Ggh0Yr2h.jpg - That is of the first prototype which was configured from different parts of each sample.
http://i.imgur.com/5XGQbqLh.jpg - Pic of the white bottom. (Bonus of snek aswell)
Videos:
- Demonstrating Wobble
I hope you enjoy them and feel free to ask away.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 26 October 2016, 02:52:35
Post by: E3E on Wed, 26 October 2016, 02:56:50
Post by: diiiP on Wed, 26 October 2016, 03:21:37
or will Credit Card be the only option?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 26 October 2016, 03:36:09
Will you add more payment methods (PayPal),
or will Credit Card be the only option?
Oh, I didn't see it's CC only atm, if it stays like that I won't be able to pick up any.
Post by: mmdango on Wed, 26 October 2016, 03:43:14
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 26 October 2016, 03:53:41
Anyway what about the wobble? Will they have the same wobble as gateron? I assume the manufacturer is gateron, since gateron made already custom switches like zealios and mod.
Post by: curvie on Wed, 26 October 2016, 04:01:33
Thanks!
Post by: zisb on Wed, 26 October 2016, 04:01:49
My account got shut down for "Excessive Risk" from my previous groupbuy. This occurred without any interaction from paypal. :'(
What do you guys think?
Post by: zisb on Wed, 26 October 2016, 04:12:08
Anyway what about the wobble? Will they have the same wobble as gateron? I assume the manufacturer is gateron, since gateron made already custom switches like zealios and mod.
Nope! Wobble is minimal, and its not actually gateron thats working with us (They didn't even respond :'( ).
Its about in line with cherry, maybe a tad better, at least from the samples we have gotten.
Post by: diiiP on Wed, 26 October 2016, 04:22:03
Okay, so here is the issue with paypal.
My account got shut down for "Excessive Risk" from my previous groupbuy. This occurred without any interaction from paypal. :'(
What do you guys think?
Really depends on you ;D
Fact is that there are many Countrys where Credit Cards are pretty uncommon.
Most of Europe for example.
Id be in this buy anyway,
just have to wait until I am back from work and grab my card that I havent used this year even once :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 26 October 2016, 04:22:40
Okay, so here is the issue with paypal.
My account got shut down for "Excessive Risk" from my previous groupbuy. This occurred without any interaction from paypal. :'(
What do you guys think?
Oh nice do we have new player in the game? Anyway smooth and cherry like (not vintage) or even less wobble sounds endgame to me.
Sadly without paypal i cant join your gb. I hope you can solve the paypal issue in the near future. You miss a lot of participants...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 26 October 2016, 05:53:11
Totally unknown manufacturer, not widely tested yet (previous group buys have shown testing as part of a group buy is a horrible idea and almost always leads to major delays), no PayPal in case things go badly, maybe you have to click the link but I see no photos either.
I'm all about having the best magical switches but everyone coming up with their own flavor and charging crazy prices is really getting out of control.
Post by: zisb on Wed, 26 October 2016, 06:22:46
There sure seems to be a lot of risk here.
Totally unknown manufacturer, not widely tested yet (previous group buys have shown testing as part of a group buy is a horrible idea and almost always leads to major delays), no PayPal in case things go badly, maybe you have to click the link but I see no photos either.
I'm all about having the best magical switches but everyone coming up with their own flavor and charging crazy prices is really getting out of control.
You concern is fair enough.
I am looking into adding PayPal back to the fray, however as stated previously i have had some issues with them and so has 27. This included poor communication and mismanagement on their part. (I was given notifications by them that didn't match what was actually wrong) This resulted in a large some of money being Frozen until February with my previous group buy, results in me paying out of pocket to ship everything out.
From the samples we have received we would have felt comfortable reselling those alone, however we decided to further the switch. Realistically, the testing phase is no more than a confirmation that the final product is perfect as most of the work has been done between us and the manufacturer.
The manufacturer is definitely new, however has shown competency when dealing with us in both communication and general understanding of the state of mechanical keyboards.
As for the price I think it's fair enough, we lowered it as much as to what we though was reasonable for 110 switches, the price pays for the custom work done for the switch. We are not Cherry, we can't simply pump out a million switches, the supply nor demand is there. It's quite hard financially to produce a switch.
Renders of the product are available on the website. I will upload a video of the prototype demonstrating switch wobble etc in the morning.
I aim to stay as transparent as possible with the groupbuy, remember, if there is a **** up its on my head, I really don't take them lightly. Which brings me onto my next point.
Timing. I take this issue pretty seriously and anyone who has worked with me know I can be a bit of an ******* when things get behind scheduling. It is 100% in my interests to ship everything as fast as possible, not only does it make me and my business look better, but it also helps with consumer trust.
I hope this helps to clear anything up. If there are any other questions feel free to ask away!
Post by: r5d on Wed, 26 October 2016, 07:00:58
Post by: catweewee on Wed, 26 October 2016, 07:02:49
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 26 October 2016, 07:06:35
Okay, so here is the issue with paypal.
My account got shut down for "Excessive Risk" from my previous groupbuy. This occurred without any interaction from paypal. :'(
What do you guys think?
I think that you'll get considerably less participants this way (I would've already joined if PayPal was available, I guess some others are in the same situation). I even talked to my bank and I can't get a CC (that'll allow for online payment) in time before the first raise in price, in other words it will prevent me from joining.
I know that this is not your choice, but I hope you can find a solution, maybe trusted user of this community that has some experience with PayPal might help you out, maybe you find a different solution, but launching this without PP because of your current situation wasn't the best idea imho.
Post by: zisb on Wed, 26 October 2016, 07:16:54
I think a video showing more of the switch would be great. Not much is known except for what you're telling us and it would be great to judge for ourselves.
Video is uploading, I'll add it to the main post once it's done.
Post by: catweewee on Wed, 26 October 2016, 08:15:13
Post by: Mike89914 on Wed, 26 October 2016, 08:32:39
Okay, so here is the issue with paypal.
My account got shut down for "Excessive Risk" from my previous groupbuy. This occurred without any interaction from paypal. :'(
What do you guys think?
Did you use a personal account or a business account....?
Post by: zisb on Wed, 26 October 2016, 08:34:32
It was a business account, verified and everything.Okay, so here is the issue with paypal.
My account got shut down for "Excessive Risk" from my previous groupbuy. This occurred without any interaction from paypal. :'(
What do you guys think?
Did you use a personal account or a business account....?
Post by: zisb on Wed, 26 October 2016, 09:11:51
Thanks! Now demonstrate a sound test!
Comes with mandatory snake tax
Post by: 27 on Wed, 26 October 2016, 09:42:37
Post by: Fictiouz on Wed, 26 October 2016, 09:46:53
Post by: 27 on Wed, 26 October 2016, 10:08:06
Who is the manufacturer? I'm thinking of combining these with a zeal housing instead of ordering gat clears. I am reluctant since the housing is pre lubed and it would defeat the purpose switching housings..
It's a new manufacturer we're working with to release switches under the Invyr brand. Generally I'd suggest keeping the top and bottom, since they're being lubricated like you mentioned.
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 26 October 2016, 10:09:31
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 26 October 2016, 10:09:38
Post by: stix on Wed, 26 October 2016, 10:42:56
Post by: catweewee on Wed, 26 October 2016, 11:52:02
Thanks! Now demonstrate a sound test!
Comes with mandatory snake tax
wat snek! I've got 3 bps myself :)
Post by: rawrjau on Wed, 26 October 2016, 12:22:46
Also, looking at the renders it won't be compatible with smd leds attached to the pcb (was planning to use them with the zeal60), yet it states its smd led compatible? How would the light diffuse? Just through the small hole of the switch top?
Post by: breitling on Wed, 26 October 2016, 13:16:10
Post by: JDragon on Wed, 26 October 2016, 13:43:30
I think I'm still in, pending answer to the switch top removal question. I absolutely adore sprit's 68g springs for linears for their force profile and would want to swap those in.
Post by: 27 on Wed, 26 October 2016, 13:45:50
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 26 October 2016, 14:19:32
Post by: Fictiouz on Wed, 26 October 2016, 14:21:12
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 26 October 2016, 15:45:44
If this had've been posted yesterday I would've already purchased. So mad I went in on more 67g zeals and plan on buying gat clears to duplicate linear Zealios..
Spoiler alert: doesn't make em any smoother, ask me how I know.
Post by: rawrjau on Wed, 26 October 2016, 15:50:01
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 26 October 2016, 16:11:15
Post by: zisb on Wed, 26 October 2016, 16:15:06
I'm one step away from being sold, just need to know about SMD lighting and how it would interact with the switch top (in terms of how visible the lighting will be).
Lightning may be a little less than a clear Top, as you would expect, but I also don't think it would be as bad as a fully Black switch. I would say somewhere in the middle :thumb:
Post by: zisb on Wed, 26 October 2016, 17:27:39
Still waiting for paypal pay method. Is there any chance we can get that? Thats pretty discriminating people who dont have cc.Workin on it :thumb:
Post by: tobsn on Wed, 26 October 2016, 20:25:34
done and done.
Post by: zisb on Wed, 26 October 2016, 20:28:40
:eek: My God, thank you!Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/odceo7f9uqi9y5x/2016-10-27%20at%203.23%20AM.png)
done and done.
Post by: akasun on Wed, 26 October 2016, 21:20:09
Post by: zisb on Wed, 26 October 2016, 21:42:10
Hello World.Hahaha, I'm still migrating stuff around so sorry if the non store pages are a little underwhelming.
Post by: stix on Thu, 27 October 2016, 10:36:02
If this had've been posted yesterday I would've already purchased. So mad I went in on more 67g zeals and plan on buying gat clears to duplicate linear Zealios..
Spoiler alert: doesn't make em any smoother, ask me how I know.
I must know, please tell!
Post by: 27 on Thu, 27 October 2016, 10:58:46
The Zealio casing is no different from the standard Gateron casing. Meaning swapping stems into them is pointless.If this had've been posted yesterday I would've already purchased. So mad I went in on more 67g zeals and plan on buying gat clears to duplicate linear Zealios..
Spoiler alert: doesn't make em any smoother, ask me how I know.
I must know, please tell!
Post by: Fictiouz on Thu, 27 October 2016, 11:11:35
The Zealio casing is no different from the standard Gateron casing. Meaning swapping stems into them is pointless.If this had've been posted yesterday I would've already purchased. So mad I went in on more 67g zeals and plan on buying gat clears to duplicate linear Zealios..
Spoiler alert: doesn't make em any smoother, ask me how I know.
I must know, please tell!
I just want the clear housing... and for them to look like zeal linears ahaha but if I didn't already order them I would be ordering these. I'm kinda bummed
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 27 October 2016, 11:14:34
The Zealio casing is no different from the standard Gateron casing. Meaning swapping stems into them is pointless.If this had've been posted yesterday I would've already purchased. So mad I went in on more 67g zeals and plan on buying gat clears to duplicate linear Zealios..
Spoiler alert: doesn't make em any smoother, ask me how I know.
I must know, please tell!
Correct, there are slight differences in how the leaf is bent, but that has no effect whatsoever on linear stems.
Post by: catweewee on Thu, 27 October 2016, 12:40:51
Still waiting for paypal pay method. Is there any chance we can get that? Thats pretty discriminating people who dont have cc.Workin on it :thumb:
When is the paypal option going to be up?
Post by: brighenne on Thu, 27 October 2016, 14:41:51
Post by: rawrjau on Thu, 27 October 2016, 15:11:07
Post by: zisb on Thu, 27 October 2016, 16:16:07
Final question from me... will a gateron clear top fit if I wanted to swap it up?Yes it should, however it would need to be the smd compatible one. The casing is the same.
Post by: Dadrophenia on Thu, 27 October 2016, 17:13:56
Post by: JDragon on Fri, 28 October 2016, 02:46:11
Post by: PriusProblems on Fri, 28 October 2016, 14:28:33
Post by: Crapbag on Fri, 28 October 2016, 14:36:48
Quote
Error establishing a database connection
Post by: zisb on Fri, 28 October 2016, 19:11:05
Is your site down atm?Alright it's back up now. I was asleep at the time and it seems to be fine now. I will contact my host family see what happened. Thanks for letting me know.
Post by: catweewee on Sat, 29 October 2016, 04:28:29
Is your site down atm?Alright it's back up now. I was asleep at the time and it seems to be fine now. I will contact my host family see what happened. Thanks for letting me know.
Any chance for paypal yet?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 29 October 2016, 04:38:16
Is your site down atm?Alright it's back up now. I was asleep at the time and it seems to be fine now. I will contact my host family see what happened. Thanks for letting me know.
Any chance for paypal yet?
PLEASE, I just want to throw my money at you zisb, but I can't.
Post by: bocahgundul on Sat, 29 October 2016, 04:55:39
pls include 55g or is it aite if i swap 'em?
Post by: Jumie on Sat, 29 October 2016, 07:48:44
Post by: zisb on Sat, 29 October 2016, 07:53:06
PayPal is coming very soon. I am just trying to chat with them to make sure it doesn't get shut down again. 😄
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 29 October 2016, 08:10:44
Hey all,
PayPal is coming very soon. I am just trying to chat with them to make sure it doesn't get shut down again. 😄
My wallet is ready (though I need to top off my bank account first :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 29 October 2016, 08:20:02
Hey all,
PayPal is coming very soon. I am just trying to chat with them to make sure it doesn't get shut down again. 😄
Hope the switches will cost the same for paypal users (70 bucks for 110 switches - excluding the paypal fee). Anyway i appreciate your effort. :thumb:
Post by: Giorgio on Sat, 29 October 2016, 08:52:58
Cherry silent switches are super smooth because they use new molds. :thumb:
Post by: tobsn on Sat, 29 October 2016, 09:02:19
Post by: Krelbit on Sat, 29 October 2016, 09:47:07
Post by: Jumie on Sat, 29 October 2016, 10:27:16
Post by: Neo.X on Sat, 29 October 2016, 17:58:25
Post by: zisb on Sat, 29 October 2016, 19:19:08
I'd love to jump in as I love smooth liner switch. However, It looks like the groupby website is offline. Can you please take a look at that? ThanksHmmmm, well this is frustrating.
Its back up again. How long was it down for? Everything is looking fine on my end.
Post by: Neo.X on Sat, 29 October 2016, 19:29:03
Post by: xondat on Sat, 29 October 2016, 19:42:42
ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
Post by: shrubkeys on Sat, 29 October 2016, 20:03:04
Post by: zisb on Sat, 29 October 2016, 20:34:42
67g bottom-out or activation?Bottom Out, activation would be crazy a 67g haha
Down for me too if it helps.
ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
Interesting, I have been checking with a couple tools and its still fine. :'(
Post by: NolaSwag on Sun, 30 October 2016, 00:29:41
zisb answered on reddit:
Hey!
No they are opaque http://i.imgur.com/5XGQbqLh.jpg (Bonus Snek)
However they are white, so they will still let through a tad more light than say an all black switch.
Post by: aznreaper on Mon, 31 October 2016, 01:52:40
Post by: zisb on Mon, 31 October 2016, 22:09:51
Just want to be clear, so will the first price increase happen on the 9th of November?Yep, its only $5, but its just to encourage people to join in earlier. :thumb:
Post by: gaiden on Tue, 01 November 2016, 00:30:22
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 01 November 2016, 05:36:15
Just want to be clear, so will the first price increase happen on the 9th of November?Yep, its only $5, but its just to encourage people to join in earlier. :thumb:
I know something else that might encourage people to join earlier, it starts with a P and ends with ayPal. How is the status on that btw?
Post by: Fictiouz on Tue, 01 November 2016, 05:41:45
Not sure if it's been asked.. These are said to be factory lubed so are they lubed to the point where it's not really necessary to relube or are they just lightly lubed like the zealios?
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
This is what I'm curious about. And do we know the lube they will be using to lube the switches? Is it krytox?
Post by: zisb on Tue, 01 November 2016, 17:18:42
Not sure if it's been asked.. These are said to be factory lubed so are they lubed to the point where it's not really necessary to relube or are they just lightly lubed like the zealios?
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
This is what I'm curious about. And do we know the lube they will be using to lube the switches? Is it krytox?
They are lubed to the point where you don't need extra. The lube that we are using is in-house to the manufacturer.
Post by: gaiden on Tue, 01 November 2016, 17:50:11
Thanks for the infoNot sure if it's been asked.. These are said to be factory lubed so are they lubed to the point where it's not really necessary to relube or are they just lightly lubed like the zealios?
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
This is what I'm curious about. And do we know the lube they will be using to lube the switches? Is it krytox?
They are lubed to the point where you don't need extra. The lube that we are using is in-house to the manufacturer.
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Post by: zisb on Tue, 01 November 2016, 22:11:28
-Website Stability has been improved.
-We are almost 2/8ths of the way to the goal
PayPal is coming most likely tonight (AEST)
:thumb:
Post by: johntron25 on Wed, 02 November 2016, 00:51:16
Post by: gaiden on Wed, 02 November 2016, 08:30:43
Update
-Website Stability has been improved.
-We are almost 2/8ths of the way to the goal
PayPal is coming most likely tonight (AEST)
:thumb:
Paypal incoming? can't wait! :thumb:
Post by: zisb on Fri, 04 November 2016, 01:01:21
Let me know if you have any issues.
Post by: OfTheWild on Fri, 04 November 2016, 01:16:29
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 04 November 2016, 03:23:08
PayPal has now been implemented into the website :thumb: (Please don't make me regret it, PayPal)
Let me know if you have any issues.
BRB ordering a set.
Edit: Ordered :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 04 November 2016, 05:14:22
First 110 pack. If it lives up to its hype i will order more in the future.
Post by: zisb on Fri, 04 November 2016, 20:24:55
Post by: breitling on Fri, 04 November 2016, 23:21:36
Post by: Neo.X on Sat, 05 November 2016, 17:03:04
Will order more if it lives up to be the smoothest liner switch. :)
Post by: Cotay on Sat, 05 November 2016, 18:28:52
Post by: JDragon on Sun, 06 November 2016, 12:34:25
Post by: gaiden on Sun, 06 November 2016, 13:55:36
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Post by: rawrjau on Sun, 06 November 2016, 16:50:11
Will there be any other confirmation of the order other than Paypal?
Post by: KetchyKech on Sun, 06 November 2016, 18:04:26
Post by: iNViSiBiLiTi on Sun, 06 November 2016, 23:33:25
Post by: diiiP on Mon, 07 November 2016, 12:14:15
Need some linear endgame ;D
Post by: Fictiouz on Mon, 07 November 2016, 12:29:51
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 07 November 2016, 13:25:04
so tempted to buy but I have not stopped buying stuff the last 4 months....
Story of my life
Post by: trombompoline on Mon, 07 November 2016, 22:30:59
Post by: zisb on Tue, 08 November 2016, 21:20:25
We surpassed 50% of our needed MoQ. At this point I am heavily considering chucking in some of my own money to get started with the production early.
I am going to writeup a detailed mini-report with dates included as suggested by binge, just to keep up communication with you guys. :thumb:
Post by: Jumie on Tue, 08 November 2016, 21:50:59
Post by: Cotay on Wed, 09 November 2016, 19:44:26
Are these still on track for the December time frame?
Post by: Quackles on Wed, 09 November 2016, 23:29:11
Post by: hanya on Thu, 10 November 2016, 01:49:14
If we heat pins so much, part of the pins might melt and loosen, not sure. If the bottom case is made with PBT, PPS or PEEK with glass composite.
Post by: zisb on Thu, 10 November 2016, 03:45:09
This seems interesting but have you test about soldering? Melting point of POM material is around 175 degree C. This is pretty low for soldering.
If we heat pins so much, part of the pins might melt and loosen, not sure. If the bottom case is made with PBT, PPS or PEEK with glass composite.
The bottom of the housing is made out of PA66+30GF, a type of nylon. The Deflection Temperature of the material is 249 °C which should be fine for soldering. I'm fairly sure most other companies use it aswell.
Summary is just don't keep de-soldering and re-soldering and you should be fine.
Post by: diiiP on Mon, 14 November 2016, 02:24:06
Would be sad to see this one canceled :(
Post by: zisb on Mon, 14 November 2016, 08:52:16
So, made a decision how to continue with this GB?Sorry for the late reply, very busy at the moment. I have decided just to go ahead with it anyway and use my own money if I dont hit moq.
Would be sad to see this one canceled :(
The prototypes versions should be in by the 22nd, from there I will send out samples to trusted community members if I am happy with the results.
Post by: brighenne on Mon, 14 November 2016, 16:03:18
Post by: R4WBIT on Tue, 15 November 2016, 13:54:08
So, made a decision how to continue with this GB?Sorry for the late reply, very busy at the moment. I have decided just to go ahead with it anyway and use my own money if I dont hit moq.
Would be sad to see this one canceled :(
The prototypes versions should be in by the 22nd, from there I will send out samples to trusted community members if I am happy with the results.
How long are the orders open? I'm not sure if I want to order yet, so I'd rather wait for the reviews :rolleyes:
Post by: zisb on Thu, 17 November 2016, 02:25:09
Basically forever :-*So, made a decision how to continue with this GB?Sorry for the late reply, very busy at the moment. I have decided just to go ahead with it anyway and use my own money if I dont hit moq.
Would be sad to see this one canceled :(
The prototypes versions should be in by the 22nd, from there I will send out samples to trusted community members if I am happy with the results.
How long are the orders open? I'm not sure if I want to order yet, so I'd rather wait for the reviews :rolleyes:
It will go through a soft transition from groupbuy just to regular store purchasing.
Post by: Slash Emperor on Fri, 18 November 2016, 10:36:59
Post by: zisb on Sat, 19 November 2016, 01:10:10
Prototypes have been finished.
I should get them very soon! http://imgur.com/a/tzKv7
This brings me to a quick re-outline of our schedule. (Suggestion by binge)
23rd Nov - I recieve the prototype switches and double check to make sure that they are up to standard. On this day I will be sending samples to some community members.
If everything is all good, I will get the switches mass produced, which should only take a few days, then it would be sent out asap. Expect 1st December roughly.
1st-10th December: I will pack up boxes and send them out directly to users in the southern hemisphere and I will send it off to my proxies in the states.
Christmas: You will hopefully revive your switches, granted that the postal services in your area are not overloaded (Sorry no guarantees there :p)
Expected Challenges & Things that can go wrong
Shipping - This shouldn't be too bad, I have now had experience with shipping group buys and honestly its not that bad, just takes time. Now that I have finished my schooling for the year I will have all the time in the world to pack and send.
Prototypes aren't up to standard - Depending on what is wrong with the switch I will request it be fixed, however I presume it will not be that bad or there wont be anything wrong considering that my manufacturer understands the needs of an enthusiast switch.
Let me know if you have any questions :thumb:
Post by: Cotay on Sat, 26 November 2016, 00:39:03
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Sat, 26 November 2016, 01:34:17
Post by: zisb on Sat, 26 November 2016, 06:30:17
Any word on how the prototypes turned out?Hey! Sorry it took a bit, warframe absorbed my life this weekend.
So I got the prototypes in on friday and I am very impressed with them. They are about a stock gateron at the moment, this concerned me at first but once I popped it open I realised they barely used any lube, so given that it has sufficient lubing it will be on par with gat blacks lubed. :thumb:
I will be sending out some samples to select community members :-*
To keep ya's interested, have some sub par images. I will whip out the 70D tomorrow and try to take some better images :p
http://imgur.com/a/CPxLv
NOTE: The prototype have copper capped pins, would you guys prefer that or just the generic stems? It makes no difference to me.
Post by: Coreda on Sat, 26 November 2016, 07:02:03
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Post by: zisb on Sat, 26 November 2016, 07:08:49
Hello new wallpaper. The isometric renders are lovely. Would love to see a series of them for other switches tbh.
(Attachment Link)
Yes, the render was courtesy of rama. Please go check out his work :thumb:
Post by: gaiden on Sat, 26 November 2016, 07:18:07
Thanks for the update. A few concerns.. As far as lubing, is the manufacturer aware of the lack of lubing and will correct this come mass production?Any word on how the prototypes turned out?Hey! Sorry it took a bit, warframe absorbed my life this weekend.
So I got the prototypes in on friday and I am very impressed with them. They are about a stock gateron at the moment, this concerned me at first but once I popped it open I realised they barely used any lube, so given that it has sufficient lubing it will be on par with gat blacks lubed. :thumb:
I will be sending out some samples to select community members :-*
To keep ya's interested, have some sub par images. I will whip out the 70D tomorrow and try to take some better images
http://imgur.com/a/CPxLv
NOTE: The prototype have copper capped pins, would you guys prefer that or just the generic stems? It makes no difference to me.
Also right now as it's being compared to gateron blacks, is the stem quality still holds true as being superior with much less wiggling?
Sorry for the questions but i'm sure many people have great plans for these soldiers as they were described to be super linear switches. ;)
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Post by: JDragon on Sat, 26 November 2016, 14:07:53
Thanks for the update. A few concerns.. As far as lubing, is the manufacturer aware of the lack of lubing and will correct this come mass production?Any word on how the prototypes turned out?Hey! Sorry it took a bit, warframe absorbed my life this weekend.
So I got the prototypes in on friday and I am very impressed with them. They are about a stock gateron at the moment, this concerned me at first but once I popped it open I realised they barely used any lube, so given that it has sufficient lubing it will be on par with gat blacks lubed. :thumb:
I will be sending out some samples to select community members :-*
To keep ya's interested, have some sub par images. I will whip out the 70D tomorrow and try to take some better images
http://imgur.com/a/CPxLv
NOTE: The prototype have copper capped pins, would you guys prefer that or just the generic stems? It makes no difference to me.
Also right now as it's being compared to gateron blacks, is the stem quality still holds true as being superior with much less wiggling?
Sorry for the questions but i'm sure many people have great plans for these soldiers as they were described to be super linear switches. ;)
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Also interested in this - was interested in this switch as I didn't want to go to the pain of manually lubing all my switches (less wobble is a nice bonus).
Post by: rawrjau on Sat, 26 November 2016, 14:29:46
Post by: Ail on Sat, 26 November 2016, 18:12:19
Post by: menuhin on Sat, 26 November 2016, 18:48:06
According to this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/453f0l/gateron_yellow_vs_black/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/453f0l/gateron_yellow_vs_black/)
Quote
... From what i could tell Gateron Yellow has consistent resistance from top to bottom where as Gateron Black has more resistance towards bottoming out. I was able to confirm this by doing a blind test where I mix in a Gateron Yellow with 5 Gateron Blacks and was able to pick out the Yellow correctly with my eyes closed multiple times...
My question is, what is the force curve of 'Panda' linear similar to? Like Gateron yellow with more initial resistance, or like Gateron black with less initial resistance?
Post by: johntron25 on Sun, 27 November 2016, 01:36:46
Yes, if they aren't lubed properly, why stay with this GB instead of going with Gateron blacks. Not sure if the price tag is worth the reduced wobble.
The switch would still have less switch wobble compared to stock gateron or cherry switch.
Post by: zisb on Sun, 27 November 2016, 23:31:29
Yes, I just finished some chats with them and this will be corrected. The current wobble is better than the initial prototype and is very minimal. I'll upload a video very soon :thumb:Thanks for the update. A few concerns.. As far as lubing, is the manufacturer aware of the lack of lubing and will correct this come mass production?Any word on how the prototypes turned out?*snip*
Also right now as it's being compared to gateron blacks, is the stem quality still holds true as being superior with much less wiggling?
Sorry for the questions but i'm sure many people have great plans for these soldiers as they were described to be super linear switches. ;)
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I'm interested in this GB, but I also want to buy some switches that I'm going to use as I'm already quite happy about my Gateron black in the MX world.Its closer to a yellow than a black. Its pretty consistent throughout.
According to this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/453f0l/gateron_yellow_vs_black/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/453f0l/gateron_yellow_vs_black/)Quote... From what i could tell Gateron Yellow has consistent resistance from top to bottom where as Gateron Black has more resistance towards bottoming out. I was able to confirm this by doing a blind test where I mix in a Gateron Yellow with 5 Gateron Blacks and was able to pick out the Yellow correctly with my eyes closed multiple times...
My question is, what is the force curve of 'Panda' linear similar to? Like Gateron yellow with more initial resistance and consistent through out, or like Gateron black with less initial resistance but increase towards bottoming out hence avoiding bottoming out?
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I am now just finishing final chats with the manufacturer :thumb:
Post by: menuhin on Mon, 28 November 2016, 13:31:38
Look at this force graph as an example:
(http://i.imgur.com/cGJ9avT.png)
Gateron black has a lower Y-axis intercept (initial resistance), while Gateron Yellow has it higher.
Both of them are linear and therefore should be both 'consistent' and both of them actuate at 50gf, but Gateron black is easier to initiate yet not as easy to bottom out like how Gateron Yellow does.
Post by: Jumie on Fri, 02 December 2016, 09:09:55
Post by: johntron25 on Mon, 05 December 2016, 00:10:29
Post by: zisb on Tue, 06 December 2016, 04:40:06
Y'all got anymore of them fresh updates?
any update?
Yep got some fresh news now. Sorry for my recent silence. Real life caught up this week :confused:
So I got the manufacturer to produce a couple more that have the extra lube and they are being sent to me as we speak. I should see them in roughly 16 hours. Once I check them then I can order the full amount which will have a super quick turnover. :thumb:
Post by: johntron25 on Tue, 06 December 2016, 14:25:16
Y'all got anymore of them fresh updates?any update?
Yep got some fresh news now. Sorry for my recent silence. Real life caught up this week :confused:
So I got the manufacturer to produce a couple more that have the extra lube and they are being sent to me as we speak. I should see them in roughly 16 hours. Once I check them then I can order the full amount which will have a super quick turnover. :thumb:
Thanks for the update!
Post by: Kominyetska on Tue, 06 December 2016, 15:02:23
Post by: aznreaper on Tue, 06 December 2016, 19:50:04
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Thu, 08 December 2016, 12:27:59
Post by: JDragon on Thu, 08 December 2016, 13:34:31
Y'all got anymore of them fresh updates?any update?
Yep got some fresh news now. Sorry for my recent silence. Real life caught up this week :confused:
So I got the manufacturer to produce a couple more that have the extra lube and they are being sent to me as we speak. I should see them in roughly 16 hours. Once I check them then I can order the full amount which will have a super quick turnover. :thumb:
Got a chance to try out the new switches? Hoping for some good news. :thumb:
Post by: zisb on Sun, 11 December 2016, 20:59:37
Full scale manufacturing will now begin. This shouldn't take long. :thumb:
Post by: johntron25 on Sun, 11 December 2016, 21:19:27
Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 12 December 2016, 08:10:09
Got the new switches. I am happy with them now. :thumb:
Full scale manufacturing will now begin. This shouldn't take long. :thumb:
Can't wait to test these out in person, 67g linears are my fav. ;D
Post by: diiiP on Tue, 13 December 2016, 01:15:58
Sadly cant see this arrive in Germany this Year.
Even when production and shipping works flawless,
German Customs will (as always) **** this up.
Oh well, will be a great start in to the year 2017 :thumb:
Post by: aznreaper on Sun, 18 December 2016, 15:41:34
Post by: Ail on Sun, 18 December 2016, 15:54:26
Post by: zisb on Sun, 18 December 2016, 20:54:03
Manufacturing completed on Friday and it is now in transit to me. It should be here just after Christmas Day. (Turns out that 50k switches is actually really heavy, 100kg in fact.)
Also sorry for missing your messages, my mailbox has been playing up and I didn't realise. I missed my secret santa email aswell so I am trying to get that sorted out.
Post by: Want on Mon, 19 December 2016, 17:02:39
Post by: JDragon on Wed, 28 December 2016, 03:32:51
Post by: Faux on Wed, 28 December 2016, 18:35:14
Post by: gaiden on Fri, 30 December 2016, 00:09:01
Hey everyone!Any chance to see a picture of that key switch mountain of yours? I bet it's a rare sight.
Manufacturing completed on Friday and it is now in transit to me. It should be here just after Christmas Day. (Turns out that 50k switches is actually really heavy, 100kg in fact.)
Also sorry for missing your messages, my mailbox has been playing up and I didn't realise. I missed my secret santa email aswell so I am trying to get that sorted out.
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Post by: zisb on Sun, 01 January 2017, 20:53:10
Sorry for the lack of updates since Christmas. I had to go on a surprise visit to see family :eek:
I am back though and I do have some news. The switches have arrived in australia and are processing through customs. Its just a little delayed at the moment due to all the public holidays.
Post by: Clemence on Mon, 02 January 2017, 15:21:44
My current mood about this group buy is excited but tentative, please set my mind at ease.
Post by: gaiden on Mon, 02 January 2017, 16:03:08
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!
Sorry for the lack of updates since Christmas. I had to go on a surprise visit to see family :eek:
I am back though and I do have some news. The switches have arrived in australia and are processing through customs. Its just a little delayed at the moment due to all the public holidays.
hi Zisb, is it possible to post a closeup video of the switch in action? i think everyone here will be excited to see any additional visual demonstrations. at least fill a 60% up and type on them all most of want is to hear the sound. thanks buddy! :thumb:
Post by: Want on Mon, 02 January 2017, 16:45:41
While the idea of a smooth and more wobble free linear is definitely tempting, I have to say the manner in which updates and demonstrations have been given does not exactly inspire the greatest amount of confidence in me. I would personally prefer a lot more information as to what changes were made to the switch between the prototypes and the switches that have been sent to you. Alongside this perhaps a test of the sound and wobble of the switches while mounted on a plate, from a top down perspective would provide more useful information as to how much the wobble has been reduced from the original gateron switches that you compare them to.
My current mood about this group buy is excited but tentative, please set my mind at ease.
I agree completely. I'm all about the smooth linears, so this may be right up my alley, if only there is any truth in the promises.
I'll happily buy a bag of these switches, but I need to know what it is that I'm buying.
Post by: NolaSwag on Fri, 06 January 2017, 11:22:12
Post by: tkpresent on Fri, 06 January 2017, 15:39:23
I'd like to try this new linear switches if possible. ;D
Post by: johntron25 on Fri, 06 January 2017, 15:44:02
Is this GB still opened?
I'd like to try this new linear switches if possible. ;D
It looks like it is. Looking at the site, it is still listed with the discounted price.
Post by: zisb on Sat, 07 January 2017, 00:54:55
I'll get some more videos for you guys tonight. Sorry for leaving you in the dark.
I also kept it at the discounted price because of the few delays. So feel free to order, I had to order 50k in total so there are still heaps left over.
Sorry for being a slow responder. I'll try to fix this now, I care about my customers and I feel like I have been a ****ty GB host at the moment.
If your hesitatant about the GB that's completely the and understandable. I rarely buy into GBs myself. After the GB is finished and everything has been sent out you will still be able to get the switches, so if it makes you comfortable just hold off for now :thumb:
Any other questions and I'll do my best to respond asap!
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 07 January 2017, 02:57:39
Post by: zisb on Tue, 10 January 2017, 00:43:38
http://imgur.com/a/dU9fY
Glamor shots coming soontm.
In each box there is ~10 000 switches. I have 5 boxes... you do the maths. :p
From here I will be sending out the switches :thumb:
Post by: Gajible on Tue, 10 January 2017, 00:47:07
Hey everyone! Guess what finally arrived last night! ;D
http://imgur.com/a/dU9fY
Glamor shots coming soontm.
In each box there is ~10 000 switches. I have 5 boxes... you do the maths. :p
From here I will be sending out the switches :thumb:
Fkn HYPE
Post by: gaiden on Tue, 10 January 2017, 01:13:02
Hey everyone! Guess what finally arrived last night! ;DWoot!
http://imgur.com/a/dU9fY
Glamor shots coming soontm.
In each box there is ~10 000 switches. I have 5 boxes... you do the maths.
From here I will be sending out the switches :thumb:
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Post by: jebbra on Tue, 10 January 2017, 11:03:02
Post by: dante on Tue, 10 January 2017, 11:07:41
Post by: Unforgivable on Tue, 10 January 2017, 11:58:23
Are there PCB mount switches readily available?
Post by: shinz0 on Tue, 10 January 2017, 21:02:50
Post by: tobsn on Wed, 11 January 2017, 08:36:28
Thanks a ton!
Post by: dante on Wed, 11 January 2017, 08:40:51
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Wed, 11 January 2017, 19:05:19
Hot damn! When will the discount ends? And please tell me again these are less wobbly than MX, is it? Because it is my main concern regarding switches now. My MOD-M just arrived and it still wobbly while indeed they are less than Zealios/Gateron.
Hey man, may I ask what exactly it is you personally mean when you say wobble? Sorry I know this probably sounds like a stupid/very pedantic question but I'm just curious. I don't quite understand the issue that some people seem to have with wobble and stickering etc? From my limited understanding people either mean there is a wobble between the bottom and top of the housing, which is something I have never really seen or experienced myself even when trying to make switches wobble or twisting them in my hands (I've got cherry, gateron, zealios and mod switches in my collection currently). Or much more commonly a wobble created due to the slider not being completely snug within the housing which it is pretty much never going to be in an mx style switch. Even in this case I find the movement very minimal and I personally don't notice it unless I am purposely looking for it? Have I got the right idea here? I'm guessing it's just something I don't really notice/it doesn't bother me. Maybe some people are more sensitive to it or something? Would be interested to hear other people's thoughts on the subject too, thanks
Post by: loud_asian on Wed, 11 January 2017, 19:14:52
Hot damn! When will the discount ends? And please tell me again these are less wobbly than MX, is it? Because it is my main concern regarding switches now. My MOD-M just arrived and it still wobbly while indeed they are less than Zealios/Gateron.
Hey man, may I ask what exactly it is you personally mean when you say wobble? Sorry I know this probably sounds like a stupid/very pedantic question but I'm just curious. I don't quite understand the issue that some people seem to have with wobble and stickering etc? From my limited understanding people either mean there is a wobble between the bottom and top of the housing, which is something I have never really seen or experienced myself even when trying to make switches wobble or twisting them in my hands (I've got cherry, gateron, zealios and mod switches in my collection currently). Or much more commonly a wobble created due to the slider not being completely snug within the housing which it is pretty much never going to be in an mx style switch. Even in this case I find the movement very minimal and I personally don't notice it unless I am purposely looking for it? Have I got the right idea here? I'm guessing it's just something I don't really notice/it doesn't bother me. Maybe some people are more sensitive to it or something? Would be interested to hear other people's thoughts on the subject too, thanks
When talking about wobble, it's mostly talk about the stem moving around the housing. It honestly doesn't bother me as much as it does for some people
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Wed, 11 January 2017, 19:22:41
Hot damn! When will the discount ends? And please tell me again these are less wobbly than MX, is it? Because it is my main concern regarding switches now. My MOD-M just arrived and it still wobbly while indeed they are less than Zealios/Gateron.
Hey man, may I ask what exactly it is you personally mean when you say wobble? Sorry I know this probably sounds like a stupid/very pedantic question but I'm just curious. I don't quite understand the issue that some people seem to have with wobble and stickering etc? From my limited understanding people either mean there is a wobble between the bottom and top of the housing, which is something I have never really seen or experienced myself even when trying to make switches wobble or twisting them in my hands (I've got cherry, gateron, zealios and mod switches in my collection currently). Or much more commonly a wobble created due to the slider not being completely snug within the housing which it is pretty much never going to be in an mx style switch. Even in this case I find the movement very minimal and I personally don't notice it unless I am purposely looking for it? Have I got the right idea here? I'm guessing it's just something I don't really notice/it doesn't bother me. Maybe some people are more sensitive to it or something? Would be interested to hear other people's thoughts on the subject too, thanks
When talking about wobble, it's mostly talk about the stem moving around the housing. It honestly doesn't bother me as much as it does for some people
Yeh that's what I thought. To me it seems like such a tiny thing it surprises me it's brought up as much as it is that's all. I guess I'm just one of the 'lucky' people that doesn't notice and it doesn't bother haha. I mean a switch functions using moving mechanical parts, I'm not expecting the stem to be 100% completely tight against the housing, would probably feel scratchy as hell =S.
Post by: JDragon on Wed, 11 January 2017, 19:54:47
Hot damn! When will the discount ends? And please tell me again these are less wobbly than MX, is it? Because it is my main concern regarding switches now. My MOD-M just arrived and it still wobbly while indeed they are less than Zealios/Gateron.
Hey man, may I ask what exactly it is you personally mean when you say wobble? Sorry I know this probably sounds like a stupid/very pedantic question but I'm just curious. I don't quite understand the issue that some people seem to have with wobble and stickering etc? From my limited understanding people either mean there is a wobble between the bottom and top of the housing, which is something I have never really seen or experienced myself even when trying to make switches wobble or twisting them in my hands (I've got cherry, gateron, zealios and mod switches in my collection currently). Or much more commonly a wobble created due to the slider not being completely snug within the housing which it is pretty much never going to be in an mx style switch. Even in this case I find the movement very minimal and I personally don't notice it unless I am purposely looking for it? Have I got the right idea here? I'm guessing it's just something I don't really notice/it doesn't bother me. Maybe some people are more sensitive to it or something? Would be interested to hear other people's thoughts on the subject too, thanks
When talking about wobble, it's mostly talk about the stem moving around the housing. It honestly doesn't bother me as much as it does for some people
Yeh that's what I thought. To me it seems like such a tiny thing it surprises me it's brought up as much as it is that's all. I guess I'm just one of the 'lucky' people that doesn't notice and it doesn't bother haha. I mean a switch functions using moving mechanical parts, I'm not expecting the stem to be 100% completely tight against the housing, would probably feel scratchy as hell =S.
I think that's also why Gaterons feel smoother than Cherry switches. There's a little more clearance between stems and housing and it cuts down on the scratchiness.
Post by: Clemence on Wed, 11 January 2017, 20:19:45
Post by: Jumie on Wed, 11 January 2017, 20:51:10
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Wed, 11 January 2017, 21:18:34
Hot damn! When will the discount ends? And please tell me again these are less wobbly than MX, is it? Because it is my main concern regarding switches now. My MOD-M just arrived and it still wobbly while indeed they are less than Zealios/Gateron.
Hey man, may I ask what exactly it is you personally mean when you say wobble? Sorry I know this probably sounds like a stupid/very pedantic question but I'm just curious. I don't quite understand the issue that some people seem to have with wobble and stickering etc? From my limited understanding people either mean there is a wobble between the bottom and top of the housing, which is something I have never really seen or experienced myself even when trying to make switches wobble or twisting them in my hands (I've got cherry, gateron, zealios and mod switches in my collection currently). Or much more commonly a wobble created due to the slider not being completely snug within the housing which it is pretty much never going to be in an mx style switch. Even in this case I find the movement very minimal and I personally don't notice it unless I am purposely looking for it? Have I got the right idea here? I'm guessing it's just something I don't really notice/it doesn't bother me. Maybe some people are more sensitive to it or something? Would be interested to hear other people's thoughts on the subject too, thanks
When talking about wobble, it's mostly talk about the stem moving around the housing. It honestly doesn't bother me as much as it does for some people
Yeh that's what I thought. To me it seems like such a tiny thing it surprises me it's brought up as much as it is that's all. I guess I'm just one of the 'lucky' people that doesn't notice and it doesn't bother haha. I mean a switch functions using moving mechanical parts, I'm not expecting the stem to be 100% completely tight against the housing, would probably feel scratchy as hell =S.
I think that's also why Gaterons feel smoother than Cherry switches. There's a little more clearance between stems and housing and it cuts down on the scratchiness.
Yeh I think you're right. I much prefer the smoothness personally.
I used to not mind wobble until I replaced all the switches in my board with gatistotles. Now I can't go back, the lack of wobble just feels so nice.
Interesting, I'm currently awaiting a delivery of Aristotle stems. Will have to see if I share your thoughts, I hope it doesn't ruin other switches for me =S.
Using low profile keycap like dsa isn't a big deal to wobble, but when it cones to SA profile, it makes you want to stop typing. Cherry profile falls between them, sone neglect the wobble, some can't tolerate it. Ymmv
Ah I see, I predominantly use DSA and cherry profile so that might explain things a bit. I'm awaiting my first SA keyset in March so maybe I'll notice it more then.
Thanks a lot to everyone for chipping in with their thoughts btw
Post by: Gridean on Thu, 12 January 2017, 22:55:16
Post by: jebbra on Fri, 13 January 2017, 01:56:12
Hot damn! When will the discount ends? And please tell me again these are less wobbly than MX, is it? Because it is my main concern regarding switches now. My MOD-M just arrived and it still wobbly while indeed they are less than Zealios/Gateron.
Hey man, may I ask what exactly it is you personally mean when you say wobble? Sorry I know this probably sounds like a stupid/very pedantic question but I'm just curious. I don't quite understand the issue that some people seem to have with wobble and stickering etc? From my limited understanding people either mean there is a wobble between the bottom and top of the housing, which is something I have never really seen or experienced myself even when trying to make switches wobble or twisting them in my hands (I've got cherry, gateron, zealios and mod switches in my collection currently). Or much more commonly a wobble created due to the slider not being completely snug within the housing which it is pretty much never going to be in an mx style switch. Even in this case I find the movement very minimal and I personally don't notice it unless I am purposely looking for it? Have I got the right idea here? I'm guessing it's just something I don't really notice/it doesn't bother me. Maybe some people are more sensitive to it or something? Would be interested to hear other people's thoughts on the subject too, thanks
Yeah I didn't notice them too until I use HHKB which is effin stable and I can't get rid of it how memorable that firm downslide of unwobbly keys :confused:
Post by: zisb on Fri, 13 January 2017, 03:19:52
Since getting everything in I have begun work on packing everything into packs of 110. I will be sending out 27's bathtub of switches soon aswell. He will be proxying for Canadian orders. My US & EU proxies will also be receiving theirs soon. If you are anywhere in Australia, you will probably get it earlier for what feels to be the first time.
I am also in the middle of moving houses, so this means that I need to move 100kg of pandas to my new "business" area (I will give photos <3).
Photos & Videos are rendering at the moment and will take like a day to upload (No joke, this is Australia).
Uhhh yeah I think that's about it. Ill get around to more specific questions once I'm done with the videos.
Post by: Jumie on Fri, 13 January 2017, 04:31:47
;D UPDATE TIME ;D
Since getting everything in I have begun work on packing everything into packs of 110. I will be sending out 27's bathtub of switches soon aswell. He will be proxying for Canadian orders. My US & EU proxies will also be receiving theirs soon. If you are anywhere in Australia, you will probably get it earlier for what feels to be the first time.
I am also in the middle of moving houses, so this means that I need to move 100kg of pandas to my new "business" area (I will give photos <3).
Photos & Videos are rendering at the moment and will take like a day to upload (No joke, this is Australia).
Uhhh yeah I think that's about it. Ill get around to more specific questions once I'm done with the videos.
I am in south east asia, hope to receive it early. also will u declare it under value like $20?
Post by: LDobler on Fri, 13 January 2017, 07:58:06
Post by: Kafka on Fri, 13 January 2017, 12:31:33
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Post by: graefeln on Fri, 13 January 2017, 13:44:28
Bought some but didn't receive a confirmation email?
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Did you check your spam folder? This is like the only keyboard related thing I have ever bought that went to my spam filter, but it was there...
Post by: Kafka on Fri, 13 January 2017, 13:54:25
Yea it was in there, thanks! Weird it was flagged.Bought some but didn't receive a confirmation email?
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Did you check your spam folder? This is like the only keyboard related thing I have ever bought that went to my spam filter, but it was there...
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Post by: johntron25 on Fri, 13 January 2017, 15:11:12
Post by: brizzzle on Fri, 13 January 2017, 18:13:18
Post by: wholypantalones on Fri, 13 January 2017, 21:42:04
My hot aluminum slots quiver in anticipation of these switches.
Post by: johntron25 on Fri, 13 January 2017, 22:02:17
Post by: Kafka on Sat, 14 January 2017, 00:38:09
Hello, I just checked my email. I didn't get a confirmation of my order but i did take a a screenshot of my order details. my order#60 and i paid through strip.I found mine in the spam folder.
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Post by: Korseir on Sat, 14 January 2017, 07:51:27
Post by: jebbra on Sun, 15 January 2017, 01:51:32
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Sun, 15 January 2017, 18:33:27
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/urA5ngr.jpg)
My hot aluminum slots quiver in anticipation of these switches.
No way, black tx-cp? Haha great minds think alike, what caps are you going for?
Post by: wholypantalones on Sun, 15 January 2017, 18:51:19
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/urA5ngr.jpg)
My hot aluminum slots quiver in anticipation of these switches.
No way, black tx-cp? Haha great minds think alike, what caps are you going for?
Either OG WoB, Hydro or Sky Dolch, haven't decided yet
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Sun, 15 January 2017, 20:21:34
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/urA5ngr.jpg)
My hot aluminum slots quiver in anticipation of these switches.
No way, black tx-cp? Haha great minds think alike, what caps are you going for?
Either OG WoB, Hydro or Sky Dolch, haven't decided yet
Are we the same person or something? I'm also between Hydro and Sky Dolch. I think leaning toward Sky Dolch though atm.
Post by: wholypantalones on Sun, 15 January 2017, 20:35:36
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/urA5ngr.jpg)
My hot aluminum slots quiver in anticipation of these switches.
No way, black tx-cp? Haha great minds think alike, what caps are you going for?
Either OG WoB, Hydro or Sky Dolch, haven't decided yet
Are we the same person or something? I'm also between Hydro and Sky Dolch. I think leaning toward Sky Dolch though atm.
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Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Mon, 16 January 2017, 18:33:12
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/urA5ngr.jpg)
My hot aluminum slots quiver in anticipation of these switches.
No way, black tx-cp? Haha great minds think alike, what caps are you going for?
Either OG WoB, Hydro or Sky Dolch, haven't decided yet
Are we the same person or something? I'm also between Hydro and Sky Dolch. I think leaning toward Sky Dolch though atm.Show Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/13TqpvbWJbEEeI/source.gif)
Get the **** out, I was thinking about posting this too, that's too much hahaha. Well all I can say is it sounds like you made some great choices =P
Post by: zisb on Tue, 17 January 2017, 20:26:10
Post by: Jumie on Tue, 17 January 2017, 23:37:59
Post by: loud_asian on Wed, 18 January 2017, 00:14:54
Hey everyone! I am moving house right now so I have been limited with communication. The goods are being sent to proxies right now. Aussies yours have been packed. You will receive an email when they have been shipped stating that the order has been complete. :thumb:
where the pics tho
Post by: Harms on Wed, 18 January 2017, 02:23:04
How heavy would these be compared to Gateron Yellows?
Post by: loud_asian on Wed, 18 January 2017, 02:37:19
Hello
How heavy would these be compared to Gateron Yellows?
These should be heavier. Gateron yellows are 65g bottom out if I remember correctly
Post by: Harms on Wed, 18 January 2017, 03:38:12
Hello
How heavy would these be compared to Gateron Yellows?
These should be heavier. Gateron yellows are 65g bottom out if I remember correctly
These are 67g bottom out eh. Thanks a lot for the input by the way.
Post by: Rafa_n on Wed, 18 January 2017, 13:00:34
Post by: Harms on Wed, 18 January 2017, 20:14:21
Also how long will this $70 for 110 switches last for. I'm waiting for a detailed review of the switches :D.
Post by: gnmar2723 on Wed, 18 January 2017, 20:36:58
Are you outside of the US? Shipping always sucks for people outside of the US, which includes myself :(.I'm nervously waiting with my mouse over the purchase button waiting for the same thing.
Also how long will this $70 for 110 switches last for. I'm waiting for a detailed review of the switches :D.
Post by: zisb on Wed, 18 January 2017, 21:46:57
After having a dream about RAMA becoming a giant evil corporation I decided to redo the videos for extra quality.
However I do have 2 little presents for you. Its really hard to capture the white that the pandas are on the camera that I was using so they are a tad too beige looking, I tried to clean it up a little in photoshop with a minimal success. As I write this, however, my 70D is charging for the video and extra photos which will look much better.
I hope you enjoy.
(http://i.imgur.com/alRa3nW.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/VYQxX0V.jpg)
Post by: loud_asian on Wed, 18 January 2017, 21:49:06
Hey guys,
After having a dream about RAMA becoming a giant evil corporation I decided to redo the videos for extra quality.
However I do have 2 little presents for you. Its really hard to capture the white that the pandas are on the camera that I was using so they are a tad too beige looking, I tried to clean it up a little in photoshop with a minimal success. As I write this, however, my 70D is charging for the video and extra photos which will look much better.
I hope you enjoy.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/alRa3nW.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VYQxX0V.jpg)
those pins are thicc
I really want to see these mounted on a plate now
Post by: zisb on Wed, 18 January 2017, 21:54:44
Hey guys,
After having a dream about RAMA becoming a giant evil corporation I decided to redo the videos for extra quality.
However I do have 2 little presents for you. Its really hard to capture the white that the pandas are on the camera that I was using so they are a tad too beige looking, I tried to clean it up a little in photoshop with a minimal success. As I write this, however, my 70D is charging for the video and extra photos which will look much better.
I hope you enjoy.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/alRa3nW.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VYQxX0V.jpg)
those pins are thicc
I really want to see these mounted on a plate now
Yeah I stuck with the thicc pins, they are much nicer. They also dont bend all over the shop so assembly is a bit quicker.
Post by: Harms on Wed, 18 January 2017, 22:10:42
Hey guys,
After having a dream about RAMA becoming a giant evil corporation I decided to redo the videos for extra quality.
However I do have 2 little presents for you. Its really hard to capture the white that the pandas are on the camera that I was using so they are a tad too beige looking, I tried to clean it up a little in photoshop with a minimal success. As I write this, however, my 70D is charging for the video and extra photos which will look much better.
I hope you enjoy.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/alRa3nW.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VYQxX0V.jpg)
those pins are thicc
I really want to see these mounted on a plate now
Yeah I stuck with the thicc pins, they are much nicer. They also dont bend all over the shop so assembly is a bit quicker.
Wow those pins are awesome!
Post by: Faux on Thu, 19 January 2017, 00:49:26
Post by: Harms on Thu, 19 January 2017, 00:52:14
Post by: 27 on Thu, 19 January 2017, 00:52:18
Are all invyr switches plate mount?
As per the OP
"By default it is plate mounted however if you send me a PM along with your order number/email I can get you a pcb mount version"
Post by: jebbra on Thu, 19 January 2017, 03:03:35
[attachimg=1]
Is it look more like this IRL?
Post by: zisb on Thu, 19 January 2017, 07:44:23
Let me fix the yellow cast for you
(Attachment Link)
Is it look more like this IRL?
Yep, thats pretty much it!
Also here the Quality (sarcasm implied) video.
Post by: Saiph on Thu, 19 January 2017, 14:20:51
Post by: Faux on Thu, 19 January 2017, 14:29:58
Are all invyr switches plate mount?
As per the OP
"By default it is plate mounted however if you send me a PM along with your order number/email I can get you a pcb mount version"
If I already ordered, is it too late to get the pcb mounted version?
Post by: tkpresent on Thu, 19 January 2017, 16:37:30
Are all invyr switches plate mount?
As per the OP
"By default it is plate mounted however if you send me a PM along with your order number/email I can get you a pcb mount version"
If I already ordered, is it too late to get the pcb mounted version?
I wondering too. I'm gonna order soon (probably).
Is it still available to get a PCB mount version?
Post by: jebbra on Thu, 19 January 2017, 17:40:35
Post by: Saiph on Thu, 19 January 2017, 18:27:42
Is PCB mount give a firmer feel compared to plate mount? Assuming both them placed on board with PCB and plate.If the plate is doing its job I don't think its noticeable at all.
Post by: zisb on Thu, 19 January 2017, 19:57:47
Are all invyr switches plate mount?
As per the OP
"By default it is plate mounted however if you send me a PM along with your order number/email I can get you a pcb mount version"
If I already ordered, is it too late to get the pcb mounted version?
I wondering too. I'm gonna order soon (probably).
Is it still available to get a PCB mount version?
Nope just send me a PM and we are all good.
Post by: zisb on Thu, 19 January 2017, 19:58:48
In the case that I order a set now will it ship out with the original group buy orders? I know you said you already sent it to your proxy but wasn't sure if the proxy was gonna keep a stock or not.
The proxy's will have a small stock with then.
Post by: KingRama on Thu, 19 January 2017, 21:00:11
"After having a dream about RAMA becoming a giant evil corporation I decided to redo the videos for extra quality. " bruhhh :)) :))
Post by: alveeno on Fri, 20 January 2017, 01:47:06
Post by: jebbra on Fri, 20 January 2017, 03:42:24
Is PCB mount give a firmer feel compared to plate mount? Assuming both them placed on board with PCB and plate.If the plate is doing its job I don't think its noticeable at all.
Gotcha. I will stick for the plate mount then. Inserting PCB mount to planck plate is hard labor work.
Post by: Faux on Fri, 20 January 2017, 11:42:17
Are all invyr switches plate mount?
As per the OP
"By default it is plate mounted however if you send me a PM along with your order number/email I can get you a pcb mount version"
If I already ordered, is it too late to get the pcb mounted version?
I wondering too. I'm gonna order soon (probably).
Is it still available to get a PCB mount version?
Nope just send me a PM and we are all good.
I don't really use geekhack at all. Can I have your reddit handle so I can message you there? I am much more familiar with how reddit works.
Post by: Patchwrks on Fri, 20 January 2017, 19:06:35
Post by: stix on Sat, 21 January 2017, 09:20:04
So why would opening these be like to spring swap? Really greasy? Would it affect the lubed properties in any manner? Really want to buy these for my new mech27 but I have gold 62g springs waiting :(
I came to ask the same thing as the gold SPRiT springs are on MD.
Do you recommend getting some lube in if we plan to swap and if so do you have any recommendations?
Post by: Korseir on Sun, 22 January 2017, 12:42:07
Post by: cumwagondeluxe on Sun, 22 January 2017, 14:08:01
So why would opening these be like to spring swap? Really greasy? Would it affect the lubed properties in any manner? Really want to buy these for my new mech27 but I have gold 62g springs waiting :(
I came to ask the same thing as the gold SPRiT springs are on MD.
Do you recommend getting some lube in if we plan to swap and if so do you have any recommendations?
dont buy those, sprit is a piece of ****
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sun, 22 January 2017, 14:52:04
If you really need gold springs, get the ones from mechanicalkeyboards.com They are in stock and only a buck more.So why would opening these be like to spring swap? Really greasy? Would it affect the lubed properties in any manner? Really want to buy these for my new mech27 but I have gold 62g springs waiting :(
I came to ask the same thing as the gold SPRiT springs are on MD.
Do you recommend getting some lube in if we plan to swap and if so do you have any recommendations?
dont buy those, sprit is a piece of ****
Post by: dante on Sun, 22 January 2017, 15:04:31
Post by: Clemence on Mon, 23 January 2017, 14:15:00
What is the predicted reliability like on these? If I recall correctly the Matias switches had chattering issues because the factory put too much lube into the switches.
This seems like a fairly big deal. It'd be nice to see a typing demo on a board with these switches to allay concerns.
Post by: Gridean on Mon, 23 January 2017, 16:32:59
Post by: zisb on Tue, 24 January 2017, 23:27:26
I just moved into the new place yesterday which luckily for me is right next to a post office!
I'll reply to everyone else once I have a computer an internet.
Post by: Korseir on Wed, 25 January 2017, 03:57:36
Post by: Krakob on Wed, 25 January 2017, 04:30:08
Edit: to Sweden, I should add
Post by: wholypantalones on Wed, 25 January 2017, 09:20:15
Any word on when Canadians will be getting theirs?
There was something about a proxy sending them out a while ago, I'm also interested in when the 220 I've purchased will be shipped to freedom land..
Post by: Cotay on Thu, 26 January 2017, 12:46:23
Post by: MNICI on Thu, 26 January 2017, 14:21:30
Also how long will this $70 for 110 switches last for. I'm waiting for a detailed review of the switches :D.
Bump, people need the answer!
Post by: Jumie on Fri, 27 January 2017, 09:20:28
Post by: Kafka on Fri, 27 January 2017, 09:35:55
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Post by: Slash Emperor on Fri, 27 January 2017, 10:36:47
Paging US and CA buyers, N3RDLY said he's gotten the first shipment of switches and will be sending them out soon for US. He also said the Canadian batch was received by the Canada proxy in the past couple days. Source is the newest topclack podcast episode.
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Good stuff, thanks for the update.
Post by: dante on Fri, 27 January 2017, 10:40:25
Source is the newest topclack podcast episode.
I love Topclack :-*
Post by: theanyday on Fri, 27 January 2017, 10:56:10
Post by: wholypantalones on Fri, 27 January 2017, 11:24:06
Paging US and CA buyers, N3RDLY said he's gotten the first shipment of switches and will be sending them out soon for US. He also said the Canadian batch was received by the Canada proxy in the past couple days. Source is the newest topclack podcast episode.
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Looking forward to them, thanks!
Post by: LDobler on Sat, 28 January 2017, 04:37:40
Post by: mtzgr on Sat, 28 January 2017, 15:13:41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkA-hqzxfXU
I gotta say, as much as I like the product, these videos of you holding switches to demonstrate smoothness and wobble are really ****ing stupid.
Post by: gnarlsagan on Sat, 28 January 2017, 16:57:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkA-hqzxfXU
I gotta say, as much as I like the product, these videos of you holding switches to demonstrate smoothness and wobble are really ****ing stupid.
I disagree. Wobble is important to me, because it strongly affects stability of SA profile keycaps. If I have the choice between more or less stablility when building a $600 board, I'd prefer more stability.
Post by: Kafka on Sat, 28 January 2017, 17:01:03
I think he means the videos don't do a good job of demonstrating the switch's attributes. Not that the smoothness/wobble isn't important.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkA-hqzxfXU
I gotta say, as much as I like the product, these videos of you holding switches to demonstrate smoothness and wobble are really ****ing stupid.
I disagree. Wobble is important to me, because it strongly affects stability of SA profile keycaps. If I have the choice between more or less stablility when building a $600 board, I'd prefer more stability.
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Post by: zisb on Sat, 28 January 2017, 18:42:19
All PCB orders: I am going to send out an email to you guys giving you some options due to CNY :thumb:
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 28 January 2017, 18:45:51
Post by: gnarlsagan on Sat, 28 January 2017, 18:58:33
Hey everyone, US is going out very soon now. http://i.imgur.com/ua5yLvc.jpg :thumb:
All PCB orders: I am going to send out an email to you guys giving you some options due to CNY :thumb:
I'll be using a plate, but I have a question. As long as we are using a plate, we don't actually need PCB mount switches, correct? Do those two little prongs that go into the PCB provide any extra stability that I might miss if I get the plate mounted switches?
Post by: JDragon on Sat, 28 January 2017, 19:01:15
Hey everyone, US is going out very soon now. http://i.imgur.com/ua5yLvc.jpg :thumb:
All PCB orders: I am going to send out an email to you guys giving you some options due to CNY :thumb:
I'll be using a plate, but I have a question. As long as we are using a plate, we don't actually need PCB mount switches, correct? Do those two little prongs that go into the PCB provide any extra stability that I might miss if I get the plate mounted switches?
I've had problems with plates supporting switch top removal in conjunction with plate mount switches being slightly crooked.
Post by: zisb on Sun, 29 January 2017, 21:22:04
Hey everyone, US is going out very soon now. http://i.imgur.com/ua5yLvc.jpg :thumb:
All PCB orders: I am going to send out an email to you guys giving you some options due to CNY :thumb:
I'll be using a plate, but I have a question. As long as we are using a plate, we don't actually need PCB mount switches, correct? Do those two little prongs that go into the PCB provide any extra stability that I might miss if I get the plate mounted switches?
Really just depends on the plate and its tolerances, if its a decent quality with low tolerance you shouldn't have a problem. I mean you could always grab PCB just for a bit of extra stability if your not so sure.
Post by: Jeu on Sun, 29 January 2017, 22:12:15
Post by: subcat on Sun, 29 January 2017, 22:45:37
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sun, 29 January 2017, 23:36:25
Was happy to receive my order for one switch today that actually contained 5 :D Very generous of you guys, thanks.
How do they stack up against other linear switches in your opinion?
Post by: Neo.X on Mon, 30 January 2017, 10:33:31
Post by: Quackles on Mon, 30 January 2017, 18:31:36
Post by: emusic on Tue, 31 January 2017, 00:06:12
Post by: subcat on Tue, 31 January 2017, 00:10:46
Having in my possession:Was happy to receive my order for one switch today that actually contained 5 :D Very generous of you guys, thanks.
How do they stack up against other linear switches in your opinion?
Gateron Yellow
Gateron Black
Gateron Red
Cherry MX Red
Cherry MX Black
Cherry MX Vintage Black
Nixdorf Black
and some ALPS linears that I won't bother comparing them to - I like how rigid they feel. They deliver on the wobble front - there is very little. However, they are scratchy. Not new MX scratchy, but not Gateron/Vintage Black/Nixie smooth. I have been told, though, that they just need breaking in, given how new they are. If these end up being far smoother when broken in, they're winners.
Post by: Saiph on Tue, 31 January 2017, 00:15:17
I got my set the other day. They look nice with the ivory white and black stems. I definitely can see that they don't wobble much at all, which is pretty cool! But I don't know if I'd say they are super linear or lubed that great. However, I don't consider myself experienced enough with linear switches enough to dismiss them yet. Hopefully someone with more experience with linear switches can compare. I prefer the feel of my linear Gateron Clears with 65g springs and lubed over these switches so far. Probably will feel better in a board though and probably having to lube them personally.Someone said you should give them like a week to wear in. Don't know how true that is.
Post by: Neo.X on Tue, 31 January 2017, 19:48:48
Having in my possession:Was happy to receive my order for one switch today that actually contained 5 :D Very generous of you guys, thanks.
How do they stack up against other linear switches in your opinion?
Gateron Yellow
Gateron Black
Gateron Red
Cherry MX Red
Cherry MX Black
Cherry MX Vintage Black
Nixdorf Black
and some ALPS linears that I won't bother comparing them to - I like how rigid they feel. They deliver on the wobble front - there is very little. However, they are scratchy. Not new MX scratchy, but not Gateron/Vintage Black/Nixie smooth. I have been told, though, that they just need breaking in, given how new they are. If these end up being far smoother when broken in, they're winners.
A little disappoitment. I am hoping for something as smooth as vintage black or even smoother.
Looking forward to try on the set I order. I am in Canada, not sure if anyone here got the switch.
Post by: Tally810 on Tue, 31 January 2017, 20:35:02
Post by: gnarlsagan on Tue, 31 January 2017, 20:47:06
Having in my possession:Was happy to receive my order for one switch today that actually contained 5 :D Very generous of you guys, thanks.
How do they stack up against other linear switches in your opinion?
Gateron Yellow
Gateron Black
Gateron Red
Cherry MX Red
Cherry MX Black
Cherry MX Vintage Black
Nixdorf Black
and some ALPS linears that I won't bother comparing them to - I like how rigid they feel. They deliver on the wobble front - there is very little. However, they are scratchy. Not new MX scratchy, but not Gateron/Vintage Black/Nixie smooth. I have been told, though, that they just need breaking in, given how new they are. If these end up being far smoother when broken in, they're winners.
Damn, so do the Pandas wobble less than Gaterons to you? I don't mind just bit less smoothness (as long as it is smoother than Cherry) if there is less wobble. In my experience Cherry switches wobble the least, so I always end up using those (the housings anyway) since wobble is like my enemy #1.
Post by: subcat on Tue, 31 January 2017, 20:50:31
Having in my possession:Was happy to receive my order for one switch today that actually contained 5 :D Very generous of you guys, thanks.
How do they stack up against other linear switches in your opinion?
Gateron Yellow
Gateron Black
Gateron Red
Cherry MX Red
Cherry MX Black
Cherry MX Vintage Black
Nixdorf Black
and some ALPS linears that I won't bother comparing them to - I like how rigid they feel. They deliver on the wobble front - there is very little. However, they are scratchy. Not new MX scratchy, but not Gateron/Vintage Black/Nixie smooth. I have been told, though, that they just need breaking in, given how new they are. If these end up being far smoother when broken in, they're winners.
Damn, so do the Pandas wobble less than Gaterons to you? I don't mind just bit less smoothness (as long as it is smoother than Cherry) if there is less wobble. In my experience Cherry switches wobble the least, so I always end up using those (the housings anyway) since wobble is like my enemy #1.
Oh yeah, you'll love these. WAY less wobble than Gateron.
Post by: gnarlsagan on Tue, 31 January 2017, 20:53:42
Having in my possession:Was happy to receive my order for one switch today that actually contained 5 :D Very generous of you guys, thanks.
How do they stack up against other linear switches in your opinion?
Gateron Yellow
Gateron Black
Gateron Red
Cherry MX Red
Cherry MX Black
Cherry MX Vintage Black
Nixdorf Black
and some ALPS linears that I won't bother comparing them to - I like how rigid they feel. They deliver on the wobble front - there is very little. However, they are scratchy. Not new MX scratchy, but not Gateron/Vintage Black/Nixie smooth. I have been told, though, that they just need breaking in, given how new they are. If these end up being far smoother when broken in, they're winners.
Damn, so do the Pandas wobble less than Gaterons to you? I don't mind just bit less smoothness (as long as it is smoother than Cherry) if there is less wobble. In my experience Cherry switches wobble the least, so I always end up using those (the housings anyway) since wobble is like my enemy #1.
Oh yeah, you'll love these. WAY less wobble than Gateron.
Awesome. Do they have about the same wobble as Cherry? Or more or less? Thanks again for your impressions. Really can't wait to get these.
Post by: subcat on Tue, 31 January 2017, 20:58:45
Having in my possession:Was happy to receive my order for one switch today that actually contained 5 :D Very generous of you guys, thanks.
How do they stack up against other linear switches in your opinion?
Gateron Yellow
Gateron Black
Gateron Red
Cherry MX Red
Cherry MX Black
Cherry MX Vintage Black
Nixdorf Black
and some ALPS linears that I won't bother comparing them to - I like how rigid they feel. They deliver on the wobble front - there is very little. However, they are scratchy. Not new MX scratchy, but not Gateron/Vintage Black/Nixie smooth. I have been told, though, that they just need breaking in, given how new they are. If these end up being far smoother when broken in, they're winners.
Damn, so do the Pandas wobble less than Gaterons to you? I don't mind just bit less smoothness (as long as it is smoother than Cherry) if there is less wobble. In my experience Cherry switches wobble the least, so I always end up using those (the housings anyway) since wobble is like my enemy #1.
Oh yeah, you'll love these. WAY less wobble than Gateron.
Awesome. Do they have about the same wobble as Cherry? Or more or less? Thanks again for your impressions. Really can't wait to get these.
I'd say probably about the same as Cherry.
Post by: Quackles on Tue, 31 January 2017, 21:45:40
Post by: wholypantalones on Tue, 31 January 2017, 22:17:54
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 31 January 2017, 22:39:39
Post by: loud_asian on Tue, 31 January 2017, 22:41:27
Are these ready to ship, if I order off the site?
spoke to one of the proxies yesterday night, yes they are
Post by: wholypantalones on Tue, 31 January 2017, 22:46:28
Are these ready to ship, if I order off the site?
spoke to one of the proxies yesterday night, yes they are
Could said proxy or someone actually give us an update on when these will be shipping please?
Post by: zisb on Tue, 31 January 2017, 22:48:00
Having in my possession:Was happy to receive my order for one switch today that actually contained 5 :D Very generous of you guys, thanks.
How do they stack up against other linear switches in your opinion?
Gateron Yellow
Gateron Black
Gateron Red
Cherry MX Red
Cherry MX Black
Cherry MX Vintage Black
Nixdorf Black
and some ALPS linears that I won't bother comparing them to - I like how rigid they feel. They deliver on the wobble front - there is very little. However, they are scratchy. Not new MX scratchy, but not Gateron/Vintage Black/Nixie smooth. I have been told, though, that they just need breaking in, given how new they are. If these end up being far smoother when broken in, they're winners.
Yeah I'd say the wobble is equal to Cherry if not better possibly. Only problem is the scratchiness. I am going to open some up later tonight and lube them myself and see if it makes it any smoother.
Hey you two!
I'm really sorry to hear about this. Do you think you could pop a couple open on your end and check the lube? When I recieve the pandas they are in bags of 250 and about 50% of a mates order weren't lubed correctly. This leads me to believe one of the bags didn't get the full treatment. The stem should look like this (http://i.imgur.com/hRnYcMA.jpg)
If its the case I can certainly send you both a full replacement set completely free of charge + A little sorry gift. Even though they were approved for QC from my manufacturer its a lesson for me aswell to double check QC.
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I have decided to allow until Saturday 12am AEST (https://countingdownto.com/countdown/panda-ordering-time-countdown-clock) to get your orders in. My proxies and I literally cannot keep up with the influx of orders from you guys. :-*
If you have PMd me over the last few days I am also going through them... there are so many :eek:
Cheers,
zisb
Post by: Kafka on Tue, 31 January 2017, 22:58:20
Other News
I have decided to allow until Saturday 12am AEST (https://countingdownto.com/countdown/panda-ordering-time-countdown-clock) to get your orders in. My proxies and I literally cannot keep up with the influx of orders from you guys. :-*
If you have PMd me over the last few days I am also going through them... there are so many :eek:
Cheers,
zisb
There were a ton of people over on Reddit who said they never saw an ic or announcement about this buy and were really interested. Idk if you posted the gb on Reddit but theres definitely interest over there.
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Post by: loud_asian on Tue, 31 January 2017, 23:09:27
Are these ready to ship, if I order off the site?
spoke to one of the proxies yesterday night, yes they are
Could said proxy or someone actually give us an update on when these will be shipping please?
It was n3rdly. He said that he just got the switches in that day and was beginning to pack orders
Post by: Jubileus on Tue, 31 January 2017, 23:17:57
Anyway, is the order from the site shipped tracked or not?
Post by: Tally810 on Tue, 31 January 2017, 23:46:09
Post by: zisb on Tue, 31 January 2017, 23:48:02
If I'm in the US do I still order from the invyr site?Yep, go ahead. Anything before Saturday 12pm.
Post by: subcat on Tue, 31 January 2017, 23:56:45
Appreciate it! I don't really have the tools to open the switch but I'll try and throw something together with paperclips.Having in my possession:Was happy to receive my order for one switch today that actually contained 5 :D Very generous of you guys, thanks.
How do they stack up against other linear switches in your opinion?
Gateron Yellow
Gateron Black
Gateron Red
Cherry MX Red
Cherry MX Black
Cherry MX Vintage Black
Nixdorf Black
and some ALPS linears that I won't bother comparing them to - I like how rigid they feel. They deliver on the wobble front - there is very little. However, they are scratchy. Not new MX scratchy, but not Gateron/Vintage Black/Nixie smooth. I have been told, though, that they just need breaking in, given how new they are. If these end up being far smoother when broken in, they're winners.Yeah I'd say the wobble is equal to Cherry if not better possibly. Only problem is the scratchiness. I am going to open some up later tonight and lube them myself and see if it makes it any smoother.
Hey you two!
I'm really sorry to hear about this. Do you think you could pop a couple open on your end and check the lube? When I recieve the pandas they are in bags of 250 and about 50% of a mates order weren't lubed correctly. This leads me to believe one of the bags didn't get the full treatment. The stem should look like thisShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/hRnYcMA.jpg)
If its the case I can certainly send you both a full replacement set completely free of charge + A little sorry gift. Even though they were approved for QC from my manufacturer its a lesson for me aswell to double check QC.
Other News
I have decided to allow until Saturday 12am AEST (https://countingdownto.com/countdown/panda-ordering-time-countdown-clock) to get your orders in. My proxies and I literally cannot keep up with the influx of orders from you guys. :-*
If you have PMd me over the last few days I am also going through them... there are so many :eek:
Cheers,
zisb
Post by: gnarlsagan on Wed, 01 February 2017, 00:04:07
Appreciate it! I don't really have the tools to open the switch but I'll try and throw something together with paperclips.
I open switches with a tiny flathead screwdriver to open the little latches on the sides. You could probably get one for a couple bucks.
Post by: JDragon on Wed, 01 February 2017, 00:30:21
If I'm in the US do I still order from the invyr site?Yep, go ahead. Anything before Saturday 12pm.
I replied to the e-mail about PCB mount but never got a response btw. I wanted to know if the fastest option (getting plate mount first, then PCB parts shipped later) was getting the plate mount switches first and then receiving PCB-mount bottom housings later.
If so, I would like that option for my order.
Excited to try these switches out! Thanks :thumb:
Post by: subcat on Wed, 01 February 2017, 00:37:49
Great tip, thanks. Success! Excuse the awful image, my photography skills are nonexistent. There is definitely lube in the right places on the slider. Something I noticed was that there was more so on the side pictured than the other, but that might just have been some coming off on my hands. :rolleyes:Appreciate it! I don't really have the tools to open the switch but I'll try and throw something together with paperclips.
I open switches with a tiny flathead screwdriver to open the little latches on the sides. You could probably get one for a couple bucks.
Post by: Shados on Wed, 01 February 2017, 02:11:25
Post by: zisb on Wed, 01 February 2017, 02:55:30
Hey zisb, is there any tracking on the packages? I got the 'order complete' email, but I kinda would have expected to receive it by now given I'm in Melbourne.Hey mate, I just checked all the shipments then. I couldnt give direct tracking as the Postie did it in a really funny way that means I can actually see which package is going where, just a rough idea :-[
Ill chuck ya a PM and we can figure something out.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 01 February 2017, 03:12:04
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 01 February 2017, 04:50:44
Would you mind giving us a rough ETA on the EU orders, or at least some word on the current plan with them? Just for peace of mind. We currently know that you did the Aus orders directly and that N3rdly does the US ones, but iirc there was no concrete info about the EU orders yet.
I would like to know this also! :thumb:
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 01 February 2017, 04:57:56
Would you mind giving us a rough ETA on the EU orders, or at least some word on the current plan with them? Just for peace of mind. We currently know that you did the Aus orders directly and that N3rdly does the US ones, but iirc there was no concrete info about the EU orders yet.
I would like to know this also! :thumb:
Episode of Top Clack with N3RDLY he said he was doing EU orders as well.
Post by: zisb on Wed, 01 February 2017, 07:48:18
Post by: gaiden on Wed, 01 February 2017, 09:24:57
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Post by: Kafka on Wed, 01 February 2017, 10:28:00
So they're scratchy even with lube? That sucks.Great tip, thanks. Success! Excuse the awful image, my photography skills are nonexistent. There is definitely lube in the right places on the slider. Something I noticed was that there was more so on the side pictured than the other, but that might just have been some coming off on my hands. :rolleyes:Appreciate it! I don't really have the tools to open the switch but I'll try and throw something together with paperclips.
I open switches with a tiny flathead screwdriver to open the little latches on the sides. You could probably get one for a couple bucks.
Post by: johntron25 on Wed, 01 February 2017, 18:12:11
Post by: kmba on Wed, 01 February 2017, 21:34:51
Having in my possession:Was happy to receive my order for one switch today that actually contained 5 :D Very generous of you guys, thanks.
How do they stack up against other linear switches in your opinion?
Gateron Yellow
Gateron Black
Gateron Red
Cherry MX Red
Cherry MX Black
Cherry MX Vintage Black
Nixdorf Black
and some ALPS linears that I won't bother comparing them to - I like how rigid they feel. They deliver on the wobble front - there is very little. However, they are scratchy. Not new MX scratchy, but not Gateron/Vintage Black/Nixie smooth. I have been told, though, that they just need breaking in, given how new they are. If these end up being far smoother when broken in, they're winners.
How do you like the spring dynamics compared to gat yellows?
Post by: wholypantalones on Wed, 01 February 2017, 23:25:36
Order#60 here. Any chance i could get an update? I am located in the US.
Already tried. There seems to be a lack of response in here.
Post by: Harms on Wed, 01 February 2017, 23:27:07
I would like to know the same. How they compare to gateron yellows, since their about the same actuation force.Having in my possession:Was happy to receive my order for one switch today that actually contained 5 :D Very generous of you guys, thanks.
How do they stack up against other linear switches in your opinion?
Gateron Yellow
Gateron Black
Gateron Red
Cherry MX Red
Cherry MX Black
Cherry MX Vintage Black
Nixdorf Black
and some ALPS linears that I won't bother comparing them to - I like how rigid they feel. They deliver on the wobble front - there is very little. However, they are scratchy. Not new MX scratchy, but not Gateron/Vintage Black/Nixie smooth. I have been told, though, that they just need breaking in, given how new they are. If these end up being far smoother when broken in, they're winners.
How do you like the spring dynamics compared to gat yellows?
Post by: iNViSiBiLiTi on Wed, 01 February 2017, 23:37:36
Order#60 here. Any chance i could get an update? I am located in the US.
Already tried. There seems to be a lack of response in here.
n3rdly is packing and shipping them. I was talking to him yesterday and he's packed 4000/10000 switches. He's shipping single orders first before larger orders.
Post by: Prelim on Thu, 02 February 2017, 10:21:25
Post by: Saiph on Thu, 02 February 2017, 10:39:05
last Gateron GB was $0,16/switch... so $1 per switch? so many crazy ppl out here :eek:Remember this is a place where people spend hundreds on keyboards ;)
Post by: cumwagondeluxe on Thu, 02 February 2017, 11:01:09
last Gateron GB was $0,16/switch... so $1 per switch? so many crazy ppl out here :eek:Remember this is a place where people spend hundreds on keyboards ;)
given the reviews so far the price is kinda high - these are really aesthetic but the fact that they're scratchy even when lubed is really disappointing
Post by: Saiph on Thu, 02 February 2017, 11:06:21
given the reviews so far the price is kinda high - these are really aesthetic but the fact that they're scratchy even when lubed is really disappointingPeople have said that they have less wobble though, I'll have to see for myself when I get them. All switches are factory lubed to some degree so it may be the case that relubing it yourself will remove the scratchiness. The price matches up with other custom ordered switches like zealio and mod switches. I'm sure the price isn't worth it to a lot of people but I personally feel that zeals and mod switches were worth what I paid for them, and I'm willing to pay for these to try them out as well.
Post by: Slash Emperor on Thu, 02 February 2017, 11:56:32
Man, I love how thicc the pins are.
Post by: tobsn on Thu, 02 February 2017, 16:36:52
last Gateron GB was $0,16/switch... so $1 per switch? so many crazy ppl out here :eek:
hu? when? where?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 02 February 2017, 16:38:51
last Gateron GB was $0,16/switch... so $1 per switch? so many crazy ppl out here :eek:
hu? when? where?
Back when SPRiT was allowed to run GB's here he ran one, but that's the only one I found.
edit: whoops, I really thought that sprit ran the gb, but in reality it was just my memory that was ducked.
Post by: Prelim on Fri, 03 February 2017, 04:54:06
hu? when? where?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68943.0
Post by: zisb on Fri, 03 February 2017, 19:03:51
Groupbuy is over
G'day,
Today I am really happy to present to you guys a project that 27 and I have been working on for the last 4 months.
_____________________________________________________
This product is a collaboration effort between Mech27 and Invyr.
The goal of this project was to create the smoothest possible factory linear switch. The manufacturer we have chosen for this project has provided samples that (without our tuning) are already smoother than the Gateron equivalent. The switches are made from POM, the standard self lubricating material used in switches, which will ensure a consistent and lasting quality.
Our tuning includes a 67g spring, and additional lubrication on both the slider and housing. The moulds we are using for both the top and stem will be produced for our order.
For aesthetic purposes we have chosen to make both the top and bottom housings in a ivory white.
_____________________________________________________
The GB will be ran in parts.
Part 1
This is the initial buy period where you can get the switches the cheapest. After this period the price will increase mildly ($75 for 110)
Part 2
The order will be placed with the manufacturer, manufacturing of prototypes will begin, once prototypes are completed they will be tested, if anything needs changing, it will be. Select trusted community members will also receive the prototypes to review and test.
Part 3
Full scaled production will begin, this is only expected to take a week or two.
Part 4
Switches will be shipped. <<<< WE HERE BOIS
Part 5 - Forseable Future
Leftover switches will be available for sale on mech27.com and invyr.com
_____________________________________________________
GROUPBUY HERE: https://invyr.com
I am currently based in Australia so shipping costs are based off that. I also will be using proxies for a cheaper cost. $8 flat rate for United States, Canada and Australia. $15 flat rate for rest of the world.
The product is sold in both 110 packs and individually. Buying in packs of 110 gives you the GB discount.
The MoQ is currently 10372/8250 Switches[li]SMD LED compatible
- It is $1 an individual switch, or $69.99 for 110!
- The switches will be getting a new mould to ensure lack of scratchiness
- The switches will be lubricated in factory
- By default it is plate mounted however if you send me a PM along with your order number/email I can get you a pcb mount version.
- 67g Springs will be in the switches
- They use an MX compatible linear stems
- The switches will fit in any MX Designed board, there are no significant differences to the housing other than the colour
[/li][/list]
Pics:
http://i.imgur.com/Ggh0Yr2h.jpg - That is of the first prototype which was configured from different parts of each sample.
http://i.imgur.com/5XGQbqLh.jpg - Pic of the white bottom. (Bonus of snek aswell)
Videos:
- Demonstrating Wobble
I hope you enjoy them and feel free to ask away.
Post by: zisb on Fri, 03 February 2017, 19:10:36
The main post now has a Shipping Status page so you know whats going on. I will update it daily.
I have also ended the groupbuy and temporarily stopped orders. This will stay like this until ALL orders have shipped. I will then reopen the store for anyone who missed out. :thumb:
Thank you very much for waiting for shipping. Its not ideal for me either but we recieved way more orders than we originally planned for. (We though like 80 at best... we were so wrong).
Best Regards,
Jack
Post by: Jumie on Tue, 07 February 2017, 10:22:37
Post by: johntron25 on Tue, 07 February 2017, 11:29:50
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 07 February 2017, 12:22:25
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 07 February 2017, 12:40:04
any extras ?
Loads, but no ordering until all current orders are fulfilled.
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 07 February 2017, 17:48:40
any extras ?
Loads, but no ordering until all current orders are fulfilled.
cool, will keep an eye on this thread then
Post by: OfTheWild on Wed, 08 February 2017, 12:23:55
Ok so i found my order... from 3am on a Friday night on 11/4/16. f**kin alcohol.
I guess i'm rocking some pandas now! whoo!
(http://i.imgur.com/F6Ahl5T.jpg)
Post by: Kafka on Wed, 08 February 2017, 12:46:40
This is the best thing I've seen all week lmao.Anyone know a Matt L. in Belmont, CA? He sent me ~110 pandas that I'm fairly certain i didn't order.. must have been meant for someone else? If anyone knows who this is (i checked my paypal/email.. no dice), have him contact me!
Ok so i found my order... from 3am on a Friday night on 11/4/16. f**kin alcohol.
I guess i'm rocking some pandas now! whoo!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/F6Ahl5T.jpg)
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Post by: digi on Wed, 08 February 2017, 12:55:58
Anyone know a Matt L. in Belmont, CA? He sent me ~110 pandas that I'm fairly certain i didn't order.. must have been meant for someone else? If anyone knows who this is (i checked my paypal/email.. no dice), have him contact me!
Ok so i found my order... from 3am on a Friday night on 11/4/16. f**kin alcohol.
I guess i'm rocking some pandas now! whoo!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/F6Ahl5T.jpg)
LOLL
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 08 February 2017, 14:00:07
Anyone know a Matt L. in Belmont, CA? He sent me ~110 pandas that I'm fairly certain i didn't order.. must have been meant for someone else? If anyone knows who this is (i checked my paypal/email.. no dice), have him contact me!
Ok so i found my order... from 3am on a Friday night on 11/4/16. f**kin alcohol.
I guess i'm rocking some pandas now! whoo!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/F6Ahl5T.jpg)
Hahaha amazing!
Post by: Kafka on Wed, 08 February 2017, 14:14:30
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Post by: mmdango on Wed, 08 February 2017, 18:45:18
Post by: Moistgun on Wed, 08 February 2017, 19:40:59
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 08 February 2017, 21:30:54
someone wanna maybe send me three of these bad boys?
I gotchu fam
Post by: Moistgun on Wed, 08 February 2017, 21:32:47
Thank you nrp, I don't wanna make u jump through the intl hoopssomeone wanna maybe send me three of these bad boys?
I gotchu fam
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 08 February 2017, 21:36:54
Thank you nrp, I don't wanna make u jump through the intl hoopssomeone wanna maybe send me three of these bad boys?
I gotchu fam
wut? i thought you were in peso land :-[ hit me up if you don't get sorted out for a few, intl shipping is just a stroll to the post office for me, it's no big deal.
Post by: aznreaper on Thu, 09 February 2017, 00:04:35
Post by: OfTheWild on Thu, 09 February 2017, 01:26:08
Any update from people who have had these for a bit? Just got mine in and they're pretty scratchy. Curious if they do actually break in or what.
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I've been messing with them for a bit today trying to figure out if I want to attempt to solder these banana posts into a used board or not. The more I play with these next to cherry black, cherry vintage black, and gateron black... I'm really really digging them. Lots of things to be happy about:
A couple of my observations:
1. Those legs/posts are big
2. The housing is tight and has no wobble between top and bottom OR in the switch plate. These are perfect.
3. Theres not a lot of lube in them and whats in there hasnt spread around yet. I messed around with spreading it out with my lube paintbrush and it seems better - could just be my brain though.
4. They sound a lot like my vintage blacks... and a slightly lighter spring to my touch.
5. I think the spring needs oil.
6. I think the back of the stem slider needs a swipe of lube.
7. These are pretty awesome.
Some pics for fun:
The back needs lube too maybe?
(http://i.imgur.com/nB3M6V0.jpg)
Lube hasnt spread out yet... check out those linear prongs though... sweet round design:
(http://i.imgur.com/KwLKqYG.jpg)
Bigger Blacker Posts
(http://i.imgur.com/w5pk8Ro.jpg)
Post by: leang on Thu, 09 February 2017, 15:42:25
Post by: JDragon on Thu, 09 February 2017, 17:24:08
Post by: digi on Thu, 09 February 2017, 17:29:41
Post by: iNViSiBiLiTi on Thu, 09 February 2017, 22:23:06
This is how I rate unlubed linear in terms of smoothness:
- Gaterons in Zealio housings (wobbles) = Pandas in Zealio housings
- Vintage Blacks in Zealio housings (wobbles a little less) = Stock Vintage Blacks
- Stock Gateron Yellows in black bottoms
- Worn in Pandas = Gateron in Panda housings
- Dyed Gateron Clears in stock Gateron housings
- Fresh Pandas = Vintage Black in Panda housings
- Pandas in Gateron housings (Really bad IMO)
- Cherry MX Reds
IMO doesn't live up the stock lubed switch that's better than stock Gaterons. There is also a weird sensation when bottom out, like a small bump at the bottom of the switch, and on the upstroke. Maybe mold defects or lack of lube coverage?
I need to pick some Krytox 104 lube and report back.
On another note, Zealios in Panda housings are really tactile!
Post by: emusic on Thu, 09 February 2017, 22:57:28
On another note, Zealios in Panda housings are really tactile!
I might try this with my incoming 78g Zealios!
Post by: Weiss on Fri, 10 February 2017, 01:26:05
On another note, Zealios in Panda housings are really tactile!
Ooh, that sounds cool. Zealios purple in the off-white housing probably look really nice. Any pics just to sate my interest?
Post by: Jubileus on Fri, 10 February 2017, 08:21:34
Post by: iNViSiBiLiTi on Fri, 10 February 2017, 13:01:19
On another note, Zealios in Panda housings are really tactile!
Ooh, that sounds cool. Zealios purple in the off-white housing probably look really nice. Any pics just to sate my interest?
I took them apart already, but I'll remake them just for you! I only tried 62g but I have 67g (stock Panda and stock Zealio) springs on hand as well. I'll try posting them in a few hours.
Post by: gnarlsagan on Fri, 10 February 2017, 13:09:54
Not sure if I got unlubed Pandas, but in the very beginning, they're much scratchier than vintage blacks or Gaterons. After a day of pressing switches, they've gotten smoother. I have 10 smoother Pandas after 2 days of owning them.
This is how I rate unlubed linear in terms of smoothness:
- Gaterons in Zealio housings (wobbles) = Pandas in Zealio housings
- Vintage Blacks in Zealio housings (wobbles a little less) = Stock Vintage Blacks
- Stock Gateron Yellows in black bottoms
- Worn in Pandas = Gateron in Panda housings
- Dyed Gateron Clears in stock Gateron housings
- Fresh Pandas = Vintage Black in Panda housings
- Pandas in Gateron housings (Really bad IMO)
- Cherry MX Reds
IMO doesn't live up the stock lubed switch that's better than stock Gaterons. There is also a weird sensation when bottom out, like a small bump at the bottom of the switch, and on the upstroke. Maybe mold defects or lack of lube coverage?
I need to pick some Krytox 104 lube and report back.
On another note, Zealios in Panda housings are really tactile!
Thank you for putting this together! So worn in Pandas are pretty similar to stock Gateron yellows. For the worn in Pandas, did you just kind of use them occasionally over the course of a week?
Also, were you able to confirm whether your Pandas were lubed or not? And are they as stable as Cherry in your opinion? Stability is really more important to me than smoothness. I'd be interested in how Pandas in Cherry housings feel (with lube).
Post by: JDragon on Fri, 10 February 2017, 15:28:25
Not sure if I got unlubed Pandas, but in the very beginning, they're much scratchier than vintage blacks or Gaterons. After a day of pressing switches, they've gotten smoother. I have 10 smoother Pandas after 2 days of owning them.
This is how I rate unlubed linear in terms of smoothness:
- Gaterons in Zealio housings (wobbles) = Pandas in Zealio housings
- Vintage Blacks in Zealio housings (wobbles a little less) = Stock Vintage Blacks
- Stock Gateron Yellows in black bottoms
- Worn in Pandas = Gateron in Panda housings
- Dyed Gateron Clears in stock Gateron housings
- Fresh Pandas = Vintage Black in Panda housings
- Pandas in Gateron housings (Really bad IMO)
- Cherry MX Reds
IMO doesn't live up the stock lubed switch that's better than stock Gaterons. There is also a weird sensation when bottom out, like a small bump at the bottom of the switch, and on the upstroke. Maybe mold defects or lack of lube coverage?
I need to pick some Krytox 104 lube and report back.
On another note, Zealios in Panda housings are really tactile!
So it looks like the best of both worlds is to buy Zealios and Pandas, then stem swap between the two for super smooth linear switches and super tactile switches?
Post by: iNViSiBiLiTi on Fri, 10 February 2017, 15:43:31
Not sure if I got unlubed Pandas, but in the very beginning, they're much scratchier than vintage blacks or Gaterons. After a day of pressing switches, they've gotten smoother. I have 10 smoother Pandas after 2 days of owning them.
This is how I rate unlubed linear in terms of smoothness:
- Gaterons in Zealio housings (wobbles) = Pandas in Zealio housings
- Vintage Blacks in Zealio housings (wobbles a little less) = Stock Vintage Blacks
- Stock Gateron Yellows in black bottoms
- Worn in Pandas = Gateron in Panda housings
- Dyed Gateron Clears in stock Gateron housings
- Fresh Pandas = Vintage Black in Panda housings
- Pandas in Gateron housings (Really bad IMO)
- Cherry MX Reds
IMO doesn't live up the stock lubed switch that's better than stock Gaterons. There is also a weird sensation when bottom out, like a small bump at the bottom of the switch, and on the upstroke. Maybe mold defects or lack of lube coverage?
I need to pick some Krytox 104 lube and report back.
On another note, Zealios in Panda housings are really tactile!
Thank you for putting this together! So worn in Pandas are pretty similar to stock Gateron yellows. For the worn in Pandas, did you just kind of use them occasionally over the course of a week?
Also, were you able to confirm whether your Pandas were lubed or not? And are they as stable as Cherry in your opinion? Stability is really more important to me than smoothness. I'd be interested in how Pandas in Cherry housings feel (with lube).
I've had them for 2 days but they are stable and lubed.
Post by: iNViSiBiLiTi on Fri, 10 February 2017, 15:44:26
On another note, Zealios in Panda housings are really tactile!
Ooh, that sounds cool. Zealios purple in the off-white housing probably look really nice. Any pics just to sate my interest?
Zealios in Pandas, Zealios in Outemu, Dyed Gateron Clears, Pandas.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/212575396032413697/279728612045750273/IMG_20170210_164102.jpg
Post by: iNViSiBiLiTi on Fri, 10 February 2017, 15:47:05
Not sure if I got unlubed Pandas, but in the very beginning, they're much scratchier than vintage blacks or Gaterons. After a day of pressing switches, they've gotten smoother. I have 10 smoother Pandas after 2 days of owning them.
This is how I rate unlubed linear in terms of smoothness:
- Gaterons in Zealio housings (wobbles) = Pandas in Zealio housings
- Vintage Blacks in Zealio housings (wobbles a little less) = Stock Vintage Blacks
- Stock Gateron Yellows in black bottoms
- Worn in Pandas = Gateron in Panda housings
- Dyed Gateron Clears in stock Gateron housings
- Fresh Pandas = Vintage Black in Panda housings
- Pandas in Gateron housings (Really bad IMO)
- Cherry MX Reds
IMO doesn't live up the stock lubed switch that's better than stock Gaterons. There is also a weird sensation when bottom out, like a small bump at the bottom of the switch, and on the upstroke. Maybe mold defects or lack of lube coverage?
I need to pick some Krytox 104 lube and report back.
On another note, Zealios in Panda housings are really tactile!
So it looks like the best of both worlds is to buy Zealios and Pandas, then stem swap between the two for super smooth linear switches and super tactile switches?
Never thought about it until now, but that seems to be the case haha. If you want a stable linear switch, I'd just lube Pandas or just do Cherry MX.
Post by: LDobler on Fri, 10 February 2017, 16:11:59
Post by: OfTheWild on Fri, 10 February 2017, 22:51:09
Not sure if I got unlubed Pandas, but in the very beginning, they're much scratchier than vintage blacks or Gaterons. After a day of pressing switches, they've gotten smoother. I have 10 smoother Pandas after 2 days of owning them.
This is how I rate unlubed linear in terms of smoothness:
- Gaterons in Zealio housings (wobbles) = Pandas in Zealio housings
- Vintage Blacks in Zealio housings (wobbles a little less) = Stock Vintage Blacks
- Stock Gateron Yellows in black bottoms
- Worn in Pandas = Gateron in Panda housings
- Dyed Gateron Clears in stock Gateron housings
- Fresh Pandas = Vintage Black in Panda housings
- Pandas in Gateron housings (Really bad IMO)
- Cherry MX Reds
IMO doesn't live up the stock lubed switch that's better than stock Gaterons. There is also a weird sensation when bottom out, like a small bump at the bottom of the switch, and on the upstroke. Maybe mold defects or lack of lube coverage?
I need to pick some Krytox 104 lube and report back.
On another note, Zealios in Panda housings are really tactile!
So it looks like the best of both worlds is to buy Zealios and Pandas, then stem swap between the two for super smooth linear switches and super tactile switches?
Never thought about it until now, but that seems to be the case haha. If you want a stable linear switch, I'd just lube Pandas or just do Cherry MX.
I'm actually really glad to hear someone else say this - I too felt like they were scratchy and there was a bit of sticking on the upstroke. I thought I was going to get the pitchforks and torches on /r/mk for saying they needed lube for those exact same reasons when these were toted as being slick pom and lubed for good measure anyway. What i found was that when i opened it up, the slider was dry and the lube was still blobbed in the post and hadn't spread out yet. And so after i spread it all around (I also put a bit on the back where i pointed out in the photo above) it got smoother i think.
I think i'll swap these into my Ducky for work and put some hours on them. :thumb:
Post by: gnarlsagan on Fri, 10 February 2017, 23:00:07
Not sure if I got unlubed Pandas, but in the very beginning, they're much scratchier than vintage blacks or Gaterons. After a day of pressing switches, they've gotten smoother. I have 10 smoother Pandas after 2 days of owning them.
This is how I rate unlubed linear in terms of smoothness:
- Gaterons in Zealio housings (wobbles) = Pandas in Zealio housings
- Vintage Blacks in Zealio housings (wobbles a little less) = Stock Vintage Blacks
- Stock Gateron Yellows in black bottoms
- Worn in Pandas = Gateron in Panda housings
- Dyed Gateron Clears in stock Gateron housings
- Fresh Pandas = Vintage Black in Panda housings
- Pandas in Gateron housings (Really bad IMO)
- Cherry MX Reds
IMO doesn't live up the stock lubed switch that's better than stock Gaterons. There is also a weird sensation when bottom out, like a small bump at the bottom of the switch, and on the upstroke. Maybe mold defects or lack of lube coverage?
I need to pick some Krytox 104 lube and report back.
On another note, Zealios in Panda housings are really tactile!
So it looks like the best of both worlds is to buy Zealios and Pandas, then stem swap between the two for super smooth linear switches and super tactile switches?
Never thought about it until now, but that seems to be the case haha. If you want a stable linear switch, I'd just lube Pandas or just do Cherry MX.
I'm actually really glad to hear someone else say this - I too felt like they were scratchy and there was a bit of sticking on the upstroke. I thought I was going to get the pitchforks and torches on /r/mk for saying they needed lube for those exact same reasons when these were toted as being slick pom and lubed for good measure anyway. What i found was that when i opened it up, the slider was dry and the lube was still blobbed in the post and hadn't spread out yet. And so after i spread it all around (I also put a bit on the back where i pointed out in the photo above) it got smoother i think.
I think i'll swap these into my Ducky for work and put some hours on them. :thumb:
Did spreading out the lube get rid of the sticking on the upstroke?
Post by: OfTheWild on Sat, 11 February 2017, 00:00:50
Post by: Jumie on Mon, 13 February 2017, 07:56:50
Post by: emusic on Tue, 14 February 2017, 00:01:41
I am in Aus.
Post by: JDragon on Tue, 14 February 2017, 00:56:16
Post by: Cotay on Tue, 14 February 2017, 01:33:57
Still waiting for mine also (in the US). I want to play with the pandas also :(
Quite a few of us are it seems. I think "majority shipped" might merely mean 50.1% given the number of US folks that haven't received their orders. I had two orders from Nov. 5 (110) and Nov. 9 (20) for a total of 130 switches; I've received PayPal confirmation emails but no other confirmations. I've got two boards ready to build once these come in...gettin' anxious.
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 14 February 2017, 12:08:55
A while ago, Zisb mentioned that he is currently in the middle of a family thing and is currently "unavailable" for the time being. I'm sure he'll be back soon, or else ;) haha.
I believe you're looking for questions answered, please message 27, aka XX7 :D :D :D
Post by: mmdango on Wed, 15 February 2017, 20:02:02
Post by: curvie on Wed, 15 February 2017, 23:39:42
Post by: cribbit on Thu, 16 February 2017, 00:29:31
Post by: johntron25 on Thu, 16 February 2017, 20:38:20
Post by: mmdango on Thu, 16 February 2017, 22:07:24
Here (http://imgur.com/a/1eAcm) is my first impression of the switch.100% agree with everything you mentioned. Thanks for saving me time to write my own review.
Post by: Tally810 on Thu, 16 February 2017, 23:33:19
Here (http://imgur.com/a/1eAcm) is my first impression of the switch.So less scratchy than cherry blacks and with less wobble? ****... give me some lube and sign me up
Edit: did you try to lube them yourself? Seems to me that the factory lube sounded good in theory but just can't be as nice as a good personal lube.
Post by: Jumie on Thu, 16 February 2017, 23:57:59
Post by: johntron25 on Fri, 17 February 2017, 02:04:51
Post by: hervuli on Fri, 17 February 2017, 10:31:55
It looks like the cylindrical switch legs are actually some sort of holtite. Pretty nice!
Custom mkb switches + massive niche board game = best photo.
(I'm delayed on my next planned build because Gloomhaven is taking up the table where I typically do my soldering)
Post by: luumii on Fri, 17 February 2017, 11:30:18
Post by: Neo.X on Fri, 17 February 2017, 11:50:34
Any update on this?
Post by: johntron25 on Fri, 17 February 2017, 11:55:00
It looks like the cylindrical switch legs are actually some sort of holtite. Pretty nice!
Custom mkb switches + massive niche board game = best photo.
(I'm delayed on my next planned build because Gloomhaven is taking up the table where I typically do my soldering)
Hahaha! Gloomhaven is pretty fun!
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 17 February 2017, 12:02:09
Post by: gnarlsagan on Fri, 17 February 2017, 14:50:31
Here (http://imgur.com/a/1eAcm) is my first impression of the switch.So less scratchy than cherry blacks and with less wobble? ****... give me some lube and sign me up
Edit: did you try to lube them yourself? Seems to me that the factory lube sounded good in theory but just can't be as nice as a good personal lube.
Just got my switches as well and agree with many of the impressions already given in this thread.
Stock Pandas are scratchier than stock Gateron blacks, but less scratchy than Cherry blacks.
So I opened the stock Panda and saw very little if any lube. I applied GH v4 thick lube from Zeal to the sliders and to the sides of the Panda stem. This very noticeably improved the smoothness, making it actually smoother than a stock Gateron black. I did not try adding GH v4 lube to the stock Gateron, because I am quite satisfied with the smoothness of the lubed Panda.
I also tried a few mods. I put the Panda slider in a Gateron housing, a Zealio (Gateron) housing, and a Cherry housing. While this improved smoothness to varying degrees, all non-Panda housings resulted in a bit less stability than the Panda housing. The Gateron housing had the most wobble; Cherry had only slightly more wobble than the stock Panda. This is probably the most stable switch I've tried.
I would highly recommend adding some GH v4 thick lube to these Panda switches. I will also be using 85g SPRiT edition springs, and am pretty excited about my build now. The only drawback is waiting for the PCB mount Panda bottoms to come in.
Post by: Faux on Fri, 17 February 2017, 14:59:08
Here (http://imgur.com/a/1eAcm) is my first impression of the switch.So less scratchy than cherry blacks and with less wobble? ****... give me some lube and sign me up
Edit: did you try to lube them yourself? Seems to me that the factory lube sounded good in theory but just can't be as nice as a good personal lube.
Just got my switches as well and agree with many of the impressions already given in this thread.
Stock Pandas are scratchier than stock Gateron blacks, but less scratchy than Cherry blacks.
So I opened the stock Panda and saw very little if any lube. I applied GH v4 thick lube from Zeal to the sliders and to the sides of the Panda stem. This very noticeably improved the smoothness, making it actually smoother than a stock Gateron black. I did not try adding GH v4 lube to the stock Gateron, because I am quite satisfied with the smoothness of the lubed Panda.
I also tried a few mods. I put the Panda slider in a Gateron housing, a Zealio (Gateron) housing, and a Cherry housing. While this improved smoothness to varying degrees, all non-Panda housings resulted in a bit less stability than the Panda housing. The Gateron housing had the most wobble; Cherry had only slightly more wobble than the stock Panda. This is probably the most stable switch I've tried.
I would highly recommend adding some GH v4 thick lube to these Panda switches. I will also be using 85g SPRiT edition springs, and am pretty excited about my build now. The only drawback is waiting for the PCB mount Panda bottoms to come in.
I would be wary of putting in the Zeal's thick lube. It's designed for tactile switches. I talked to Zeal about this, and he said that he also doesn't recommend it. It ends up making the switch pretty gummy.
Post by: gnarlsagan on Fri, 17 February 2017, 15:21:22
Here (http://imgur.com/a/1eAcm) is my first impression of the switch.So less scratchy than cherry blacks and with less wobble? ****... give me some lube and sign me up
Edit: did you try to lube them yourself? Seems to me that the factory lube sounded good in theory but just can't be as nice as a good personal lube.
Just got my switches as well and agree with many of the impressions already given in this thread.
Stock Pandas are scratchier than stock Gateron blacks, but less scratchy than Cherry blacks.
So I opened the stock Panda and saw very little if any lube. I applied GH v4 thick lube from Zeal to the sliders and to the sides of the Panda stem. This very noticeably improved the smoothness, making it actually smoother than a stock Gateron black. I did not try adding GH v4 lube to the stock Gateron, because I am quite satisfied with the smoothness of the lubed Panda.
I also tried a few mods. I put the Panda slider in a Gateron housing, a Zealio (Gateron) housing, and a Cherry housing. While this improved smoothness to varying degrees, all non-Panda housings resulted in a bit less stability than the Panda housing. The Gateron housing had the most wobble; Cherry had only slightly more wobble than the stock Panda. This is probably the most stable switch I've tried.
I would highly recommend adding some GH v4 thick lube to these Panda switches. I will also be using 85g SPRiT edition springs, and am pretty excited about my build now. The only drawback is waiting for the PCB mount Panda bottoms to come in.
I would be wary of putting in the Zeal's thick lube. It's designed for tactile switches. I talked to Zeal about this, and he said that he also doesn't recommend it. It ends up making the switch pretty gummy.
Thanks for the heads up. I also tried a stock Panda lubed with Krytox 103, and it wasn't as smooth as the GH v4. I still have a good amount of time before building, so I'll actuate the GH v4 lubed switch every day for a few weeks and see where it's at.
Seems weird that a linear switch would become "gummy" but not a tactile switch. Zeal usually knows what he's talking about though.
Edit: what lube are you guys using on the Pandas?
Post by: Kafka on Fri, 17 February 2017, 16:14:06
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Post by: johntron25 on Fri, 17 February 2017, 16:59:53
Post by: Kafka on Fri, 17 February 2017, 20:33:06
I'm planning on using Zeal's lube but i'm a bit hesitant now after reading what people have said.Mine feel super smooth and buttery with Zeal's thick.
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Post by: Korseir on Sat, 18 February 2017, 00:54:57
Order #79 from Canada, still waiting....
Any update on this?
Same here, still waiting on switches to show up. Any updates as to when canadians will be receiving their orders or as to when they are going to be shipped out?
Post by: breitling on Sat, 18 February 2017, 11:59:21
Post by: Jeu on Sat, 18 February 2017, 14:33:20
Post by: Cotay on Sat, 18 February 2017, 18:04:56
Another Canadian here waiting.. update would be great thanks!
Yes, some official response on shipping status would be appreciated. It has been two weeks without a status update or forum post from the folks running the GB/handling shipping.
It looks like folks with order numbers in the 40s have been receiving theirs. I appreciate that folks running this GB have work, family and life commitments, but an update is due.
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 20 February 2017, 02:08:25
Post by: Cotay on Mon, 20 February 2017, 11:26:46
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 20 February 2017, 12:03:15
Has anyone who paid by PayPal received their order yet?
Nope. :(
Post by: Saiph on Mon, 20 February 2017, 13:42:12
Has anyone who paid by PayPal received their order yet?Yeah, I have.
Post by: mmdango on Wed, 22 February 2017, 02:57:59
There is definitely a bump near the bottom when pressing down. I'm not sure if it's the stem or the housing, but I think that gumminess some people are feeling might actually be that bump. Someone else did explicitly notice a bump earlier, though. It is much more emphasized if you press it down at an angle while pressing down. The side that you have to push towards changes for every switch it seems like. That slight tactile feeling is really ruining the experience of these switches for me :/
Also if it helps anyone else, I tried using MechLube 2 (only lube I got) and it doesn't really do much.
Post by: Jumie on Wed, 22 February 2017, 19:05:48
Post by: Unforgivable on Wed, 22 February 2017, 19:09:16
Post by: gnarlsagan on Wed, 22 February 2017, 19:13:00
Been playing around with these a lot lately (not on a board, unfortunately) to figure out what switches I want on my next build, but something has been really bothering me.
There is definitely a bump near the bottom when pressing down. I'm not sure if it's the stem or the housing, but I think that gumminess some people are feeling might actually be that bump. Someone else did explicitly notice a bump earlier, though. It is much more emphasized if you press it down at an angle while pressing down. The side that you have to push towards changes for every switch it seems like. That slight tactile feeling is really ruining the experience of these switches for me :/
Also if it helps anyone else, I tried using MechLube 2 (only lube I got) and it doesn't really do much.
I've been actuating a thick lubed Panda for a couple days and haven't noticed a bump. I'll check my other switches with I get home and report back.
Also noting that the thick lube has not yet made the switch "gummy". It is still feels incredibly smooth.
Post by: Tally810 on Wed, 22 February 2017, 20:32:54
These switch housings looks so cool. Tempted to get PCB switches once available, but the reviews are scaring me.Same but reviews actually seem good to me if you break them down. So everyone is saying that there is little wobble which is great. Then everyone is saying that they are scratchy which just tells me they need some good lube or for the existing lube to break in. So I feel that once properly lubed you will have a smooth non wobbly switch
Post by: wholypantalones on Thu, 23 February 2017, 15:47:52
Quote
SHIPPING STATUS
Australia: Sent
Asia: Packed
Oceania: Packed
US: Majority Shipped
CA: Packing
EU: Will be sent after US.
Still waiting on 220 of these or a shipping notification in the US, so how majority is majority shipped at this point? Anyone from the GB or handling the shipping care to give an update as to what's going on?
Post by: shinz0 on Thu, 23 February 2017, 16:02:47
i get it though. sorting all the switches does not sound like a fun experience.
Post by: JDragon on Thu, 23 February 2017, 16:40:38
Hopefully one of these lives up to the "new Vintage Black" billing.
Post by: Saiph on Thu, 23 February 2017, 17:10:14
Still waiting on my 220 switches US order. Went ahead and ordered 220 Mod Linear switches off O-co as well.Let us know how you find the Mod switches! I bought their tactile switches before and liked them after lubing, they were a tiny bit scratchy before that.
Hopefully one of these lives up to the "new Vintage Black" billing.
Post by: JDragon on Fri, 24 February 2017, 01:50:23
Still waiting on my 220 switches US order. Went ahead and ordered 220 Mod Linear switches off O-co as well.Let us know how you find the Mod switches! I bought their tactile switches before and liked them after lubing, they were a tiny bit scratchy before that.
Hopefully one of these lives up to the "new Vintage Black" billing.
They're advertised as being non-scratchy and with no "gravelly" feeling so got my hopes up... but then again, the Pandas were supposed to be non-scratchy out of the box and looks like they actually are. :(
Post by: wholypantalones on Fri, 24 February 2017, 07:35:15
Still waiting on my 220 switches US order. Went ahead and ordered 220 Mod Linear switches off O-co as well.
Hopefully one of these lives up to the "new Vintage Black" billing.
I think gaterons fill that void already. At $35 for 110 gaterons vs $70-ish for 110 mods which are essentially just gateron clones, is it really worth the extra money?
Post by: JDragon on Fri, 24 February 2017, 12:42:40
Still waiting on my 220 switches US order. Went ahead and ordered 220 Mod Linear switches off O-co as well.
Hopefully one of these lives up to the "new Vintage Black" billing.
I think gaterons fill that void already. At $35 for 110 gaterons vs $70-ish for 110 mods which are essentially just gateron clones, is it really worth the extra money?
I'd pay an extra $35 to save myself 3 hours of switch lubing.
Post by: kmba on Fri, 24 February 2017, 17:10:22
Post by: johntron25 on Fri, 24 February 2017, 17:13:01
Anyone know approx up to what order number has shipped? #183, US here and just curious. Thanks
I was order#60 and I received mine last week. It was shipped in a USPS small flat rate box w/o tracking.
Post by: a-c on Fri, 24 February 2017, 17:31:22
Anyone know approx up to what order number has shipped? #183, US here and just curious. Thanks
I was order#60 and I received mine last week. It was shipped in a USPS small flat rate box w/o tracking.
Did it ship from zipcode 94002 (California)? Someone just printed a shipping label to me from that zip.
Post by: wholypantalones on Fri, 24 February 2017, 19:59:03
Still waiting on my 220 switches US order. Went ahead and ordered 220 Mod Linear switches off O-co as well.
Hopefully one of these lives up to the "new Vintage Black" billing.
I think gaterons fill that void already. At $35 for 110 gaterons vs $70-ish for 110 mods which are essentially just gateron clones, is it really worth the extra money?
I'd pay an extra $35 to save myself 3 hours of switch lubing.
From the sounds of these switches you're still going to have to lube them.
Post by: johntron25 on Fri, 24 February 2017, 23:37:40
Anyone know approx up to what order number has shipped? #183, US here and just curious. Thanks
I was order#60 and I received mine last week. It was shipped in a USPS small flat rate box w/o tracking.
Did it ship from zipcode 94002 (California)? Someone just printed a shipping label to me from that zip.
Yep, i believe so. I recognize the City name
Post by: OfTheWild on Sat, 25 February 2017, 01:00:12
The board they went into was a Ducky 9008, basic run of the mill fullsized well made keyboard. I desoldered all the cherry mx blacks and swapped in the Pandas:
(http://i.imgur.com/UBzNkub.jpg)
Swapping them out was fine. The added size of the "holtite/sip sockets" was a non-issue and worked perfectly.
Soldering used less solder to fill the joint and this resulted in easier clean-up of the rosin as well.
No problems at all.
(http://i.imgur.com/W9HGPuv.jpg)
Right off the bat you can feel the lighter spring weight making it easier to type away with out missing letters or key strokes on your pinkies. As much as I love the stiff springs I have to admit that when it comes to actual use, the lighter springs are nice.
The sound is the first thing i noticed. I can tell that these are much more of a "pop" than a "clink" if that makes sense. There is definitely a break-in period for the very small amounts of lube in each switch. I would say 10 hours or so gets you in to the normal mode of the switch where everything smooths out and things start to feel glassy.
Solid. I cant reiterate this enough but these switches are just cemented together. I have a habit of wiggling the key caps in a hover while i'm thinking about what to type and these are just rock steady. Almost no wobble at all.
Overall i think that once you get away from micro-scrutiny of holding individual switches up and comparing each in your ear I think people will find that these are incredibly well made switches that have been put together very well. There are plenty of factory assembled switches that go for this rate and the fact someone put these together by hand makes them worth it for me. I do like some vintage blacks, dont get me wrong. But even those require a bit of tweaking to get them to 'korean kustom' level of endgame. These are breaking in nicely with about 50 hours of typing since I loaded them up. I definitely recommend grabbing a set and trying them out.
Thanks!
Post by: JDragon on Sat, 25 February 2017, 01:19:24
Still waiting on my 220 switches US order. Went ahead and ordered 220 Mod Linear switches off O-co as well.
Hopefully one of these lives up to the "new Vintage Black" billing.
I think gaterons fill that void already. At $35 for 110 gaterons vs $70-ish for 110 mods which are essentially just gateron clones, is it really worth the extra money?
I'd pay an extra $35 to save myself 3 hours of switch lubing.
From the sounds of these switches you're still going to have to lube them.
Unfortunate, but I don't mind putting money towards things that advance the hobby overall, even if they don't work out as well as I like.
Post by: kmba on Sat, 25 February 2017, 01:30:26
Post by: kustom3 on Sat, 25 February 2017, 05:24:02
Ok folks, so I've done the deed and swapped out all 108 of my daily driver keyboard from cherry blacks to the new invyr pandas... and put it through the work week of typing out various commands and ticket comments as well as piles of emails. And so heres my brief review for those that are still wondering whats the big deal about these switches: Heres my full album of this board: http://imgur.com/a/si7Ql
The board they went into was a Ducky 9008, basic run of the mill fullsized well made keyboard. I desoldered all the cherry mx blacks and swapped in the Pandas:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/UBzNkub.jpg)
Swapping them out was fine. The added size of the "holtite/sip sockets" was a non-issue and worked perfectly.
Soldering used less solder to fill the joint and this resulted in easier clean-up of the rosin as well.
No problems at all.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/W9HGPuv.jpg)
Right off the bat you can feel the lighter spring weight making it easier to type away with out missing letters or key strokes on your pinkies. As much as I love the stiff springs I have to admit that when it comes to actual use, the lighter springs are nice.
The sound is the first thing i noticed. I can tell that these are much more of a "pop" than a "clink" if that makes sense. There is definitely a break-in period for the very small amounts of lube in each switch. I would say 10 hours or so gets you in to the normal mode of the switch where everything smooths out and things start to feel glassy.
Solid. I cant reiterate this enough but these switches are just cemented together. I have a habit of wiggling the key caps in a hover while i'm thinking about what to type and these are just rock steady. Almost no wobble at all.
Overall i think that once you get away from micro-scrutiny of holding individual switches up and comparing each in your ear I think people will find that these are incredibly well made switches that have been put together very well. There are plenty of factory assembled switches that go for this rate and the fact someone put these together by hand makes them worth it for me. I do like some vintage blacks, dont get me wrong. But even those require a bit of tweaking to get them to 'korean kustom' level of endgame. These are breaking in nicely with about 50 hours of typing since I loaded them up. I definitely recommend grabbing a set and trying them out.
Thanks!
Thanks for the review, made me even more undecided about my next build. V. blacks, MOD-M or Pandas... Decisions, decisions.
Post by: aznreaper on Sat, 25 February 2017, 20:45:58
Plus, anyone got updates on when the rest of the switches will be heading out with zisb having personal issues to deal with? Is anyone helping to get these switches out? And did anyone ever confirm who's sending out the Canadian switches?
Post by: Jeu on Sun, 26 February 2017, 09:14:51
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Post by: odd on Sun, 26 February 2017, 13:35:08
Post by: ns90 on Sun, 26 February 2017, 14:43:10
I remember seeing a post somewhere but wanted to check. Aristotle stems fit in these housing? Had heard certain switch tops don't go well with stotle stems.I only tried it with one, and it did fit, but I do believe that Aristotle stems can have some inconsistencies. It felt...different. I much prefer the Gatistotles and Zealiostotles to the Invyrstotles.
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Post by: Korseir on Sun, 26 February 2017, 15:32:06
Thanks for the review OfTheWild, do you feel like it would make a difference lubricating the switches now that you've used them for a solid amount of time?
Plus, anyone got updates on when the rest of the switches will be heading out with zisb having personal issues to deal with? Is anyone helping to get these switches out? And did anyone ever confirm who's sending out the Canadian switches?
;D UPDATE TIME ;D
Since getting everything in I have begun work on packing everything into packs of 110. I will be sending out 27's bathtub of switches soon aswell. He will be proxying for Canadian orders. My US & EU proxies will also be receiving theirs soon. If you are anywhere in Australia, you will probably get it earlier for what feels to be the first time.
I am also in the middle of moving houses, so this means that I need to move 100kg of pandas to my new "business" area (I will give photos <3).
Photos & Videos are rendering at the moment and will take like a day to upload (No joke, this is Australia).
Uhhh yeah I think that's about it. Ill get around to more specific questions once I'm done with the videos.
Paging US and CA buyers, N3RDLY said he's gotten the first shipment of switches and will be sending them out soon for US. He also said the Canadian batch was received by the Canada proxy in the past couple days. Source is the newest topclack podcast episode.
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TL;DR 27 is the Canadian proxy, and he should have had the switches since January 27 2017
Post by: gnarlsagan on Sun, 26 February 2017, 18:42:27
I remember seeing a post somewhere but wanted to check. Aristotle stems fit in these housing? Had heard certain switch tops don't go well with stotle stems.I only tried it with one, and it did fit, but I do believe that Aristotle stems can have some inconsistencies. It felt...different. I much prefer the Gatistotles and Zealiostotles to the Invyrstotles.
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I'll try adding an Aristotle stem into a Panda housing when I get home. I can attest to the inconsistencies in Aristotle stems. My favorite switch is a Cherristotle, and about 5 of the hundredish Aristotle stems didn't fit correctly I'm the Cherry housings. The rest fit perfectly and offer more stability than Zealiostotles.
Btw I tried 3-in-one silicone lube on my Pandas and it's been wonderful. I prefer it to think lube because it works just as well to smoothen the accuation, but allows the switch to slide up and down a little more freely. The GH thick lube v4 seems to add just a bit of noticeable drag of the switch comparatively.
Link to silicone lube: https://www.amazon.com/3-IN-ONE-All-Temperature-Silicone-Drip-Oil/dp/B0122T2X9M
Post by: ns90 on Sun, 26 February 2017, 22:54:06
I didn't have any problem using 70 of them in Zealios housing, but I imagine that there's more room for the sliders in those housings. I know making Cherristotles is supposed to be a bit of a crapshoot. The Invyr housings seem pretty tight, so I'd have some concerns making a large batch of them.I remember seeing a post somewhere but wanted to check. Aristotle stems fit in these housing? Had heard certain switch tops don't go well with stotle stems.I only tried it with one, and it did fit, but I do believe that Aristotle stems can have some inconsistencies. It felt...different. I much prefer the Gatistotles and Zealiostotles to the Invyrstotles.
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I'll try adding an Aristotle stem into a Panda housing when I get home. I can attest to the inconsistencies in Aristotle stems. My favorite switch is a Cherristotle, and about 5 of the hundredish Aristotle stems didn't fit correctly I'm the Cherry housings. The rest fit perfectly and offer more stability than Zealiostotles.
Btw I tried 3-in-one silicone lube on my Pandas and it's been wonderful. I prefer it to think lube because it works just as well to smoothen the accuation, but allows the switch to slide up and down a little more freely. The GH thick lube v4 seems to add just a bit of noticeable drag of the switch comparatively.
Link to silicone lube: https://www.amazon.com/3-IN-ONE-All-Temperature-Silicone-Drip-Oil/dp/B0122T2X9M
Post by: shinz0 on Mon, 27 February 2017, 02:07:27
I'm looking to buy 5 - 10 on these if anyone wants to sell me any. I don't know what the aftermarket price is ( I'm thinking $2 per switch?) but give me a price in a PM if you can spare some. I'm in the US, Berkeley CA to be exact.
PM me if you haven't found anybody. I'll have some leftovers and can sell to you at cost + shipping.
Post by: 27 on Mon, 27 February 2017, 11:13:56
Post by: cribbit on Mon, 27 February 2017, 13:07:15
UHHHHHHHHHHH I wasn't informed about being the Canadian proxy. I paid for 15,000 switches and received 15,000 switches. I'll talk to Zisb about this asap.
What crazy keyboard are you building with 15000 switches?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 27 February 2017, 14:31:41
UHHHHHHHHHHH I wasn't informed about being the Canadian proxy. I paid for 15,000 switches and received 15,000 switches. I'll talk to Zisb about this asap.
What crazy keyboard are you building with 15000 switches?
Didn't you see the picture of him in a bathtub full of switches? That alone was worth it.
Post by: Tally810 on Mon, 27 February 2017, 16:53:07
I believe he was going to sell them at his online storeUHHHHHHHHHHH I wasn't informed about being the Canadian proxy. I paid for 15,000 switches and received 15,000 switches. I'll talk to Zisb about this asap.
What crazy keyboard are you building with 15000 switches?
Post by: Korseir on Mon, 27 February 2017, 17:02:42
I believe he was going to sell them at his online storeUHHHHHHHHHHH I wasn't informed about being the Canadian proxy. I paid for 15,000 switches and received 15,000 switches. I'll talk to Zisb about this asap.
What crazy keyboard are you building with 15000 switches?
If this is the case then who is the proxy and if there isn't one then why does it say that Canadian order status is still packing after for so long?
Post by: Jubileus on Mon, 27 February 2017, 20:23:43
Post by: aznreaper on Wed, 01 March 2017, 00:49:53
UHHHHHHHHHHH I wasn't informed about being the Canadian proxy. I paid for 15,000 switches and received 15,000 switches. I'll talk to Zisb about this asap.
Ok, this is why I kept asking. I asked 27 around early Janurary on discord and he said he wasn't proxying the switches so I was wondering who was doing it, or if he was just trolling me hard. Hopefully this can get all sorted out and sent out.
Post by: diiiP on Wed, 01 March 2017, 02:55:29
UHHHHHHHHHHH I wasn't informed about being the Canadian proxy. I paid for 15,000 switches and received 15,000 switches. I'll talk to Zisb about this asap.
when you talk to him, could you also ask about status of Asia and Europe orders? :thumb:
Post by: kmba on Wed, 01 March 2017, 08:48:04
Anyone know approx up to what order number has shipped? #183, US here and just curious. Thanks
Got a label creation notification last night for what I assume is my switch order. So if you're in the US, the orders are being worked through. Hang tight.
Post by: dk21291 on Wed, 01 March 2017, 16:43:43
Anyone know approx up to what order number has shipped? #183, US here and just curious. Thanks
Got a label creation notification last night for what I assume is my switch order. So if you're in the US, the orders are being worked through. Hang tight.
From Belmont, CA? I got one too and had no idea what GB it corresponded to.
Post by: LDobler on Wed, 01 March 2017, 16:55:10
Post by: a-c on Wed, 01 March 2017, 17:04:27
From Belmont, CA? I got one too and had no idea what GB it corresponded to.
That's where mine came from.
Post by: shinz0 on Wed, 01 March 2017, 17:17:54
Post by: kmba on Wed, 01 March 2017, 21:03:33
Anyone know approx up to what order number has shipped? #183, US here and just curious. Thanks
Got a label creation notification last night for what I assume is my switch order. So if you're in the US, the orders are being worked through. Hang tight.
From Belmont, CA? I got one too and had no idea what GB it corresponded to.
yup, the us proxy is in CA.
Post by: OfTheWild on Thu, 02 March 2017, 01:20:19
Thanks for the review OfTheWild, do you feel like it would make a difference lubricating the switches now that you've used them for a solid amount of time?
Honestly, I skipped going back through and doing my own lube job on these (thats what you paid extra for right?!) and I will say I'm quite happy with how they turned out after 80+ hours of typing on them all day at work. I will admit that i'm using these with gmk caps and rubber o-rings under them so they're not getting bottomed out and the sound is minimal.
Post by: kmba on Thu, 02 March 2017, 23:07:38
Post by: JDragon on Fri, 03 March 2017, 03:38:33
I've got a bunch of springs and lube and will be experimenting and this weekend. I've got Gateron Blacks, Mod Linears (awful, awful, switches), Vintage Blacks, Cherry MX Silents, and various housings/lube/springs to experiment with.
Post by: gaiden on Fri, 03 March 2017, 08:40:01
Finally got my switches and they are definitely scratchier than my unlubed Vintage Blacks. Swapping the stems into Zealios housings makes them almost as smooth as unlubed Vintage Blacks however. Curious to see how lubing improves the feel of the switches.Please do a review about your findings later. The pandas sure look great and i don't mind re-lubing these (even though these were marketed to be prelubed.. 😑 ) i just want to make sure they feel great as well without swapping a bunch of things..Someone mentioned a 'pop' at bottoming out and also the panda housing is 'scratchier' can these be confirmed by multiple sources? Thanks guys.
I've got a bunch of springs and lube and will be experimenting and this weekend. I've got Gateron Blacks, Mod Linears (awful, awful, switches), Vintage Blacks, Cherry MX Silents, and various housings/lube/springs to experiment with.
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Post by: Slash Emperor on Fri, 03 March 2017, 09:34:18
Post by: Saiph on Fri, 03 March 2017, 09:43:10
Just got my Pandas in. Might pop them into a build this weekend, see how the feel on a board initially. That's if I can peel myself from my Switch coming in today...Need to wait for my EXENT for these switches
Post by: Korseir on Fri, 03 March 2017, 11:40:37
Just got my Pandas in. Might pop them into a build this weekend, see how the feel on a board initially. That's if I can peel myself from my Switch coming in today...Need to wait for my EXENT for these switches
Still need to wait on the mysterious Canadian proxy (or possibly non existent) for switches to be delivered
Post by: johntron25 on Fri, 03 March 2017, 16:54:51
Post by: brizzzle on Fri, 03 March 2017, 18:44:39
Post by: KINGPIN on Sat, 04 March 2017, 13:31:53
Post by: kmba on Sat, 04 March 2017, 14:04:28
1) Build quality is nice. The pins are great looking and strong thanks to the little holtite covers. They have the least slider wobble out of any mx style switch I think I've ever tried.. big difference compared to gateron, and ever cherry. The white housings look nice as well.
2) Weight is in between cherry red and gateron yellow.. just a little lighter than yellows. Force curve feels like a yellow, moreso than a black (not pillowy at the bottom).
3) I do notice that tiny little notch at the bottom of the switch press.. not all the time, but sometimes, perhaps when pressing at an angle? Not sure. Only feel it when really looking for it, not when typing. It's a non-issue for me.
4) The downside is they are not smooth right out of the bag. Now, I don't have these on a board yet, just a few in a switch tester with basically no break in time so take this for what it is.. but they're just not smooth or quiet. Gateron linears are much smoother. Cherry linears are smoother. And both are much quieter. When pressing the panda at speed, or slowly between the top and bottom of travel, it's noisy. You can hear the stem rubbing against the housing. You can hear a bit on a cherry linear. Gateron linears are very quiet. I think the lack of wobble is probably due to tighter tolerances between the stem and housing, which leads to more contact. Guess you can't have it both ways.
Final thoughts. I'd lube any linear anyway, so the fact that I think these need a good lubing is a bit of a disappointment, but not a deal breaker. Top switch for build quality and wobble (really, the lack of wobble is awesome), but not so much for smoothness. Gateron takes that crown by a mile.
Post by: JDragon on Sat, 04 March 2017, 21:38:55
(All tested w/ 62g gold SPRiT springs, EnjoyPBT keycaps, and Techkeys Krytox Thin Mix applied with a fountain pen. Lube points were housing slider rails, top and bottom of springs, and sides + contact points of stems. Switch "tester" was one half of a VE.A with no PCB and stainless steel plate.)
1. Vintage Black Stems in Zealios Housings
2. Gateron Blacks
3. Vintage Blacks
4. Gateron Black Stems in Zealios Housings
5. Pandas
Vintage Black Stems in Zealios Housings was the clear winner, 2-4 are very close together and nearly indistinguishable, and Pandas are quite usable once you have some lube on them (but not quite as smooth as the switches preceding).
Mod linears are awful and should never be used stock.
Lubing these switches gave them a quieter, less harsh, but richer sounding clack.
I also tried out MX Silent Stems in various housings:
1. Zealios Housings
2. Mod Housings
3. Vintage Black Housings
FAIL: Gateron Black Housings
FAIL: Panda Housings
Zealios Housings were again the smoothest here, with Mod Housings actually close behind. I was surprised at this result - the scratchiness of the Mod switches appears to be related to the stems. Vintage Black Housings were scratchy even lubed. Both Gateron and Panda housings caused the silent stems to lose their silence.
Post by: gaiden on Sat, 04 March 2017, 22:35:31
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Post by: jebbra on Sun, 05 March 2017, 05:35:13
Somehow I still holding on the POM material so I think this switch will be a lot better with longer use.
Post by: Korseir on Sun, 05 March 2017, 06:06:22
Every last order is going out on monday the 6th. :thumb:
Post by: aznreaper on Sun, 05 March 2017, 15:50:29
Just recently got a response back from Zisb concerning Canadian orders (possibly the rest of the orders even)Every last order is going out on monday the 6th. :thumb:
Any idea if the PCB mount bottoms are ready to go with them as well?
Post by: Korseir on Sun, 05 March 2017, 15:56:27
Post by: zisb on Sun, 05 March 2017, 16:02:19
As of today 100% of remaining orders are going out this morning. So that includes Europe, Asia and canada.
I know I haven't been the best of groupbuy managers. Once all these are sent I will be doing a full write-up about the issues of the switch, the groupbuy and more. In this writeup I hope to give an insight as to what has been happening and I will also be discussing the solutions to these issue and how I hope to move forward.
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Sun, 05 March 2017, 17:30:49
Hello everyone!
As of today 100% of remaining orders are going out this morning. So that includes Europe, Asia and canada.
I know I haven't been the best of groupbuy managers. Once all these are sent I will be doing a full write-up about the issues of the switch, the groupbuy and more. In this writeup I hope to give an insight as to what has been happening and I will also be discussing the solutions to these issue and how I hope to move forward.
No worries dude, I'm sure you've got a lot going on irl as well as this. People on here tend to freak out a little bit (which I can understand as some previous gb runners have gone mia for very long periods of time/have still not returned) when they don't hear from people in a while.
Post by: zisb on Sun, 05 March 2017, 17:49:03
Post by: Sythe on Sun, 05 March 2017, 18:30:38
Logistics is way harder than people realise. It becomes a lot easier with time though.(Also, hit me up if you want some help from someone else based on Aus)
I know you only just finished the group buy and all, but just wondering if you still plan to sell leftover stock from your store?
I'm very interested in getting my hands on a set after missing out on the group buy(I'm also in Australia, so shipping shouldn't be that bad :P)
Post by: Neo.X on Tue, 07 March 2017, 12:43:14
Post by: Jumie on Wed, 08 March 2017, 19:43:13
Post by: breitling on Fri, 10 March 2017, 13:05:25
Post by: LDobler on Sun, 12 March 2017, 17:57:44
Thank you! :thumb:
Post by: zacheadams on Sun, 12 March 2017, 18:07:44
So... Do the switches need time to "break in" or should I lube them?
Thank you! :thumb:
I feel like the answer no matter what is to lube them, even if there is a "break in".
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sun, 12 March 2017, 18:39:05
Post by: gaiden on Sun, 12 March 2017, 18:41:42
Sounds about right unfortunatelySo... Do the switches need time to "break in" or should I lube them?
Thank you! :thumb:
I feel like the answer no matter what is to lube them, even if there is a "break in".
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Post by: tobsn on Sun, 12 March 2017, 20:55:58
Post by: Unforgivable on Sun, 12 March 2017, 21:28:30
Post by: aznreaper on Tue, 14 March 2017, 22:53:03
I assume that all orders have been shipped, but is there a point in which we should ask about our package if there isn't any tracking with these?
Thanks!
Post by: Jumie on Fri, 17 March 2017, 03:42:48
Post by: TDub on Fri, 17 March 2017, 05:23:06
Post by: neon_tom on Fri, 17 March 2017, 07:32:30
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 17 March 2017, 08:55:18
Post by: kacase on Fri, 17 March 2017, 09:33:21
but according to the shipping order we will likely be last :(
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 17 March 2017, 10:42:58
Any Canadians get their switches yet?Nope.
Post by: Korseir on Fri, 17 March 2017, 11:09:00
Any Canadians get their switches yet?Nope.
I can second this
Post by: loar on Sat, 18 March 2017, 02:49:34
Any Europeans get their switches yet?Nope
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 18 March 2017, 07:29:14
Any Europeans get their switches yet?
None so far
Post by: mathiasn on Sat, 18 March 2017, 11:28:32
Any Europeans get their switches yet?
NO - and it's about time !!!
Post by: Neo.X on Sun, 19 March 2017, 20:03:53
Any Canadians get their switches yet?Nope.
I can second this
I can third this.
Post by: Jubileus on Sun, 19 March 2017, 22:51:50
I hope it arrives soon though.
Post by: Faux on Mon, 20 March 2017, 13:51:15
Post by: breitling on Mon, 20 March 2017, 18:59:04
Any Canadians get their switches yet?Nope.
I can second this
I can third this.
I can fourth this.
Post by: aznreaper on Tue, 21 March 2017, 00:04:53
Any Canadians get their switches yet?Nope.
I can second this
I can third this.
I can fourth this.
I can fifth this.
Post by: zisb on Fri, 24 March 2017, 17:46:04
Post by: zisb on Fri, 24 March 2017, 17:50:00
Post by: Faux on Fri, 24 March 2017, 18:55:53
Post by: gameaholic on Fri, 24 March 2017, 19:11:23
Post by: zisb on Fri, 24 March 2017, 19:14:03
Round 2?Yeah once I figure out why people haven't received theirs. :'(
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 24 March 2017, 19:35:40
Round 2?Yeah once I figure out why people haven't received theirs. :'(
Hey zisb, regarding shipping, Rama is also a keeb enthusiast based in Australia, and his stuff seems to ship out pretty quickly (I believe he uses DHL ecommerce), perhaps it would be good to have a chat with him and see what his recommendations are about different international shipping offerings.
Post by: Sythe on Fri, 24 March 2017, 20:08:40
I had a quick look for info and although the article is a little old I think it had at least good starter information:
https://www.choice.com.au/shopping/shopping-for-services/services/articles/best-international-postal-service
For the group buy at least where it is bulk shipments, I think that parcel forwarders could be the best option to look at.
Are there still plans for you to sell leftover switches on your site? I missed out on the group buy and really want to get my hands on a set.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 25 March 2017, 00:10:42
Round 2?Yeah once I figure out why people haven't received theirs. :'(
Hey zisb, regarding shipping, Rama is also a keeb enthusiast based in Australia, and his stuff seems to ship out pretty quickly (I believe he uses DHL ecommerce), perhaps it would be good to have a chat with him and see what his recommendations are about different international shipping offerings.
I'm in Montreal Canada and some of Rama's stuff has taken
Post by: KingRama on Sat, 25 March 2017, 00:24:08
Round 2?Yeah once I figure out why people haven't received theirs. :'(
Hey zisb, regarding shipping, Rama is also a keeb enthusiast based in Australia, and his stuff seems to ship out pretty quickly (I believe he uses DHL ecommerce), perhaps it would be good to have a chat with him and see what his recommendations are about different international shipping offerings.
I'm in Montreal Canada and some of Rama's stuff has taken 3 months to get to me :-\ I'm currently still waiting on something that shipped on December 19.
Whaaa? Which is that? :(
Send me a PM on slack and I'll sort it out man :)
Those where all shipped using my old shipping service - moved to using DHL now and it's been 1 week to Canada :D
ZISB: check out DHL eCommerce, they've been amazing so far - haven't got the bill yet though :p
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 25 March 2017, 00:52:52
Round 2?Yeah once I figure out why people haven't received theirs. :'(
Hey zisb, regarding shipping, Rama is also a keeb enthusiast based in Australia, and his stuff seems to ship out pretty quickly (I believe he uses DHL ecommerce), perhaps it would be good to have a chat with him and see what his recommendations are about different international shipping offerings.
I'm in Montreal Canada and some of Rama's stuff has taken 3 months to get to me :-\ I'm currently still waiting on something that shipped on December 19.
Whaaa? Which is that? :(
Send me a PM on slack and I'll sort it out man :)
Those where all shipped using my old shipping service - moved to using DHL now and it's been 1 week to Canada :D
ZISB: check out DHL eCommerce, they've been amazing so far - haven't got the bill yet though :p
Ahh, makes sense. Can't comment on the new service but that sounds like zisb should be checking that out :thumb:
Post by: tobsn on Sat, 25 March 2017, 20:24:24
Does anyone have recommendations for shipping services that don't mess around? I have had too many issues with auspost to continue using them.
You want to call DHL eCommerce and ask for a deal on X amount of packages either via parcel or global mail. That's your best option.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 26 March 2017, 04:01:21
just want to let you know, that i am still waiting for my switches to arrive. As someone menitoned it here, the shipping may take some time... Hope you can resolve that issue.
Post by: KingRama on Sun, 26 March 2017, 09:02:58
Does anyone have recommendations for shipping services that don't mess around? I have had too many issues with auspost to continue using them.
You want to call DHL eCommerce and ask for a deal on X amount of packages either via parcel or global mail. That's your best option.
I can reverb that, they give you shipping rates depending on your estimated monthly shipments. I spoke to them at length about how what I do is very inconsistent in terms of quantity etc, and even stated that I may go months without shipping anything and they where understanding - the rates are locked in for a year anyways :) They even came and dropped off some supplies to me to get started - very great customer support. Couldn't recommend them enough.
The specific services I'm using are DHL Global Package and DHL Global Package Plus
Post by: tobsn on Sun, 26 March 2017, 12:07:00
Yeah they're great!Does anyone have recommendations for shipping services that don't mess around? I have had too many issues with auspost to continue using them.
You want to call DHL eCommerce and ask for a deal on X amount of packages either via parcel or global mail. That's your best option.
I can reverb that, they give you shipping rates depending on your estimated monthly shipments. I spoke to them at length about how what I do is very inconsistent in terms of quantity etc, and even stated that I may go months without shipping anything and they where understanding - the rates are locked in for a year anyways :) They even came and dropped off some supplies to me to get started - very great customer support. Couldn't recommend them enough.
The specific services I'm using are DHL Global Package and DHL Global Package Plus
That said, in the parcel area it always makes sense to call around and just ask them and give them some numbers.
On the other hand, since you're both from AU I'd go with DHL if their presence is established and has good recommendations already.
I deal with DHL every day directly sending a few thousand packages a day and they're really great so far for me (US) for international packages. Ships form east coast to anywhere in the EU in 2-4 days. Couldn't find anything anywhere near that fast for as low as DHL can go if you press them a bit on it.
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Post by: zisb on Mon, 27 March 2017, 06:03:42
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 27 March 2017, 06:13:09
So I spoke to auspost and they basically just shrugged. I'll just resend, it's no biggie there are slot of leftovers anyway. If you get two packs then so be it! :thumb:
This is really awesome of you :thumb:
... and really disappointing of the post company, holy wtf.
Do we have to confirm that we didn't get anything yet? I definitely didn't, but the board these are meant for is just as delayed, so it's cool.
Post by: loar on Mon, 27 March 2017, 13:48:13
So I spoke to auspost and they basically just shrugged. I'll just resend, it's no biggie there are slot of leftovers anyway. If you get two packs then so be it! :thumb:they lost everything?
Post by: zisb on Mon, 27 March 2017, 17:47:23
So I spoke to auspost and they basically just shrugged. I'll just resend, it's no biggie there are slot of leftovers anyway. If you get two packs then so be it! :thumb:they lost everything?
I honestly dont know! I think it might have something to do with their click and send system. Since I when I went to put in the parcels they wouldnt scan but I was told that they would just take care of it.
I have to use click and send basically so I can export from my website to a .csv then to their service and print labels, but its like 50/50 most of the time.
Post by: Jubileus on Wed, 05 April 2017, 01:11:25
Post by: r5d on Wed, 05 April 2017, 03:33:18
Any latest update? Still haven't received mine.
Yes, ANY update? I'm Order #193 and I haven't heard even a peep. No switches either.
Post by: zisb on Wed, 05 April 2017, 04:38:02
The troubled packages have been repacked and are being sent now. ( http://i.imgur.com/Vfv92LH.jpg )
Shortly I will give an announcement about an apology gift to all of those who have been affected by this issue. (Free stuff yo!)
Best Regards,
zisb
Post by: Jumie on Wed, 05 April 2017, 04:59:11
Post by: Korseir on Wed, 05 April 2017, 05:06:16
Post by: kacase on Wed, 05 April 2017, 08:58:52
Post by: loar on Wed, 05 April 2017, 12:44:08
Post by: jebbra on Fri, 07 April 2017, 08:51:39
Post by: zisb on Mon, 10 April 2017, 04:55:51
I'd like to announce to everyone that if you have been affected by shipping delays, I will be offering R2 to you free of charge granted you can pick up the shipping cost for it. I will email those affected with further details down the line.
Post by: LDobler on Mon, 10 April 2017, 04:59:27
Cheers
Post by: zisb on Mon, 10 April 2017, 05:01:24
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 10 April 2017, 05:26:06
Thanks again!
Post by: Jubileus on Mon, 10 April 2017, 10:31:34
Post by: Will_26 on Sat, 15 April 2017, 16:41:59
Post by: LDobler on Sat, 15 April 2017, 16:47:29
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 15 April 2017, 17:39:55
Nopeseconded
Post by: Korseir on Sat, 15 April 2017, 17:52:14
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 15 April 2017, 18:18:54
Anyone in Europe get any switches yet?
UK here, nothing yet!
Post by: stix on Sun, 16 April 2017, 10:01:15
Post by: tobsn on Mon, 17 April 2017, 18:32:48
Anyone in Europe get any switches yet?
Nope, and I ordered on the first day of the GB a ton of switches... nothing yet here. :/
Post by: clappingcactus on Mon, 17 April 2017, 21:11:20
A few of you might have seen me around from my ridiculous optimism on multiple GB and IC threads. For at least the next little while I'll be helping zisb with communications (like he'd said he'd try and find someone to - that turns out to be me!).
The remaining orders that are outstanding from the Panda buy are all going out this week. From this point on there are no more proxies, your orders are being shipped directly by zisb himself. The size of the buy has backlogged the back-end a little but it will all be sorted soon. Also, quite a few orders have already been shipped out, but because everything is being shipped from Australia it will also be slower than usual.
Barring any unexpected problems, I'll have another update for everybody on Thursday morning (I'm in EST - it's currently my Monday night) with whether the shipping is still on track to be completed this week or not.
Post by: duynguyenle on Tue, 18 April 2017, 16:41:12
Hey all!
A few of you might have seen me around from my ridiculous optimism on multiple GB and IC threads. For at least the next little while I'll be helping zisb with communications (like he'd said he'd try and find someone to - that turns out to be me!).
The remaining orders that are outstanding from the Panda buy are all going out this week. From this point on there are no more proxies, your orders are being shipped directly by zisb himself. The size of the buy has backlogged the back-end a little but it will all be sorted soon. Also, quite a few orders have already been shipped out, but because everything is being shipped from Australia it will also be slower than usual.
Barring any unexpected problems, I'll have another update for everybody on Thursday morning (I'm in EST - it's currently my Monday night) with whether the shipping is still on track to be completed this week or not.
Thanks for the update! Hopefully I will be getting mine soon! The other bits and pieces of my planned build have arrived here as well!
Post by: kimper on Thu, 20 April 2017, 02:01:17
all of shipping has troubled?
Post by: Neo.X on Thu, 20 April 2017, 18:48:17
Post by: neon_tom on Thu, 20 April 2017, 19:03:09
Anyone in Canada got their orders? Cause I haven't. :( :(
Nope
Post by: breitling on Fri, 21 April 2017, 13:33:48
Anyone in Canada got their orders? Cause I haven't. :( :(
Nope
Still nope. Got a board here waiting on these switches for a long time now...
Post by: neon_tom on Fri, 21 April 2017, 15:46:54
Anyone in Canada got their orders? Cause I haven't. :( :(
Nope
Still nope. Got a board here waiting on these switches for a long time now...
Worst part is that I could have bought them multiple times over from other vendors selling them and had them in hand by now.
Post by: tobsn on Fri, 21 April 2017, 15:59:25
Worst part is that I could have bought them multiple times over from other vendors selling them and had them in hand by now.
Worst is if you support this project on day one with a $200 order because you think it's absolutely awesome that someone wants to make his very own switch, then today my novelkeys switch tester arrives with the panda on it and at the same time 1upkeyboards reports also today they _re_stocked pandas.
Meanwhile I have not received anything from the original GB. Not sure how I should feel about this.
I get that there was some sort of **** up in the shipping but we're talking about over 4 month since shipping started.
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Post by: Jumie on Fri, 21 April 2017, 22:01:00
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 22 April 2017, 02:08:55
Even us in south east asia which is literally next to aussie haven't received our switches..
But hey, US buyers got their **** basically instantly and that's what counts, right? /s
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 22 April 2017, 05:53:16
Post by: clappingcactus on Sat, 22 April 2017, 08:28:19
Post by: clappingcactus on Sun, 23 April 2017, 20:48:40
All shipping is completed. But as mentioned before, Australian mail is the definition of snail mail. It'll get to you all soon but be patient! Can't wait to see people's confirmations and reviews.
:)
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 24 April 2017, 02:59:46
Hi again all,
All shipping is completed. But as mentioned before, Australian mail is the definition of snail mail. It'll get to you all soon but be patient! Can't wait to see people's confirmations and reviews.
:)
Thanks for the update, I'm holding my breath!
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 24 April 2017, 03:27:32
I'm holding my breath!
Pls don't.
Post by: mathiasn on Mon, 24 April 2017, 04:30:18
All shipping is completed.
Well, that may be.
But I for one never received anything (Germany - so no "Autralian mail is snail-mail" excuse here).
Post by: clappingcactus on Mon, 24 April 2017, 08:52:21
All shipping is completed.
Well, that may be.
But I for one never received anything (Germany - so no "Autralian mail is snail-mail" excuse here).
The packages are being shipped from Australia.
I understand it's been a long wait, and unfortunately, I don't have access to individual ordering information so I can't tell you how recently your order has been shipped, but I am guaranteeing that it has been shipped. It will get to you.
Post by: tobsn on Mon, 24 April 2017, 15:00:33
I understand it's been a long wait, and unfortunately, I don't have access to individual ordering information so I can't tell you how recently your order has been shipped, but I am guaranteeing that it has been shipped. It will get to you.
So you lost the first shipment 4 month ago and now you shipping it again untracked?
Post by: clappingcactus on Mon, 24 April 2017, 18:40:19
So you lost the first shipment 4 month ago and now you shipping it again untracked?
None of what you posted has any basis in reality. :(
Read my posts again. I don't have access to personal ordering info because I'm volunteering my time to help with communications.
Post by: tobsn on Mon, 24 April 2017, 18:46:13
So you lost the first shipment 4 month ago and now you shipping it again untracked?
None of what you posted has any basis in reality. :(
Original shipping was 4 month ago. I have not received a tracking number, hence it's probably untracked, again. Not sure what of this is not based in reality.
Post by: clappingcactus on Mon, 24 April 2017, 18:58:35
Read my posts again. I don't have access to personal ordering info because I'm volunteering my time to help with communications.
If you have a question regarding the buy, ask it and I'll try to answer. If you have a question regarding your personal order, ask it and I'll try to answer.
Phrasing attacks as questions is unproductive, especially when you speculate that shipments were lost or were shipped untracked (both are assumptions on your part).
I will try to find out more details about your personal order (I understand you have a decent amount of money tied up in the buy).
Post by: tobsn on Mon, 24 April 2017, 19:47:58
Phrasing attacks as questions is unproductive, especially when you speculate that shipments were lost or were shipped untracked (both are assumptions on your part).
I will try to find out more details about your personal order (I understand you have a decent amount of money tied up in the buy).
Well then please help me out, what happened to the shipments?
Post by: clappingcactus on Mon, 24 April 2017, 19:56:23
Phrasing attacks as questions is unproductive, especially when you speculate that shipments were lost or were shipped untracked (both are assumptions on your part).
I will try to find out more details about your personal order (I understand you have a decent amount of money tied up in the buy).
Well then please help me out, what happened to the shipments?
Shipping concluded this past week. Shipping was delayed and took four months (that much is undisputed). Some bulk packages were sent out in the past to proxies, stores etc. and some (but not all) individual orders were fulfilled in the past as well. I'm sorry yours was not one of them, but I promise you it's already on its way.
When it comes to tracking numbers, I think logistically zisb is overwhelmed so he hasn't even attempted to hand out individual shipment confirmations/tracking (and I myself don't know if there is tracking information or not). I will try to find out for you, though, how recently your $200 order went out. I understand you were one of the first to order and it's unfair to be one of the last to receive your order. But I also promise I'm only trying to help everybody in this thread.
Post by: mathiasn on Tue, 25 April 2017, 04:34:39
All shipping is completed.
Well, that may be.
But I for one never received anything (Germany - so no "Autralian mail is snail-mail" excuse here).
The packages are being shipped from Australia.
Ahh, got that wrong - sorry!
Post by: Jubileus on Fri, 28 April 2017, 20:14:48
Hey everyone,
I'd like to announce to everyone that if you have been affected by shipping delays, I will be offering R2 to you free of charge granted you can pick up the shipping cost for it. I will email those affected with further details down the line.
I just want to know if I'm included in this? I am one of those affected with the shipping delays but I still haven't got an email.
Is there also movement with at least one of the resent packages? Maybe just a tracking info of one of those packages will do so we can get an idea where it is now.
Post by: gnarlsagan on Fri, 28 April 2017, 20:17:38
Post by: clappingcactus on Sat, 29 April 2017, 09:48:55
Post by: superdoedoe on Sun, 30 April 2017, 07:13:27
Post by: clappingcactus on Mon, 01 May 2017, 21:38:12
Zisb is on medical leave.
Well then please help me out, what happened to the shipments?
You have a PM.
Also I'm wondering if there is a status available on the PCB mount switches. It's cool if they're not ready, just hoping for an update since we are still waiting for those.
PCB mounts have gone out with switch orders (according to zisb).
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 05 May 2017, 06:09:16
I'm about to order some other switches for the build these were supposed to go in :/
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 05 May 2017, 06:29:26
Anyone got amything yet?
I'm about to order some other switches for the build these were supposed to go in :/
Not yet. Gonna go with regular Gateron blacks for now and save these for the next build (whenever they decide to show up)
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 05 May 2017, 06:40:32
Anyone got amything yet?
I'm about to order some other switches for the build these were supposed to go in :/
Not yet. Gonna go with regular Gateron blacks for now and save these for the next build (whenever they decide to show up)
I wish these decide to win the race against the TX-CP and arrive in time.
I'll also order some gats as backups though.
Post by: aznreaper on Mon, 08 May 2017, 21:51:23
Post by: clappingcactus on Mon, 08 May 2017, 22:30:26
Hey Cactus, any chance you have an ETA or a rough idea of when we could be getting our switches, and when we should be concerned with our packages being lost?
Hey aznreaper, I'll ask zisb if he has got a ballpark estimate from Aus post when he shipped everything out.
Post by: Jumie on Tue, 09 May 2017, 10:23:47
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Thu, 11 May 2017, 11:19:07
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 11 May 2017, 15:59:49
It sounds like I am the exception to the rule but when I ordered a few of Rama's things before he moved to DHL, Auspost seemed to work very well to the UK. I was actually surprised how fast it was =S.
So you have received your switches already? I am also UK-based and have not received mine yet :(
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Thu, 11 May 2017, 16:09:12
It sounds like I am the exception to the rule but when I ordered a few of Rama's things before he moved to DHL, Auspost seemed to work very well to the UK. I was actually surprised how fast it was =S.
So you have received your switches already? I am also UK-based and have not received mine yet :(
Sorry mate I should have made that clearer, no I haven't received mine. That's what worries me =S
Post by: Korseir on Thu, 11 May 2017, 16:14:48
It sounds like I am the exception to the rule but when I ordered a few of Rama's things before he moved to DHL, Auspost seemed to work very well to the UK. I was actually surprised how fast it was =S.
So you have received your switches already? I am also UK-based and have not received mine yet :(
Sorry mate I should have made that clearer, no I haven't received mine. That's what worries me =S
At this point in time I don't believe anyone who has a delayed order has received their shipment
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Thu, 11 May 2017, 16:23:39
It sounds like I am the exception to the rule but when I ordered a few of Rama's things before he moved to DHL, Auspost seemed to work very well to the UK. I was actually surprised how fast it was =S.
So you have received your switches already? I am also UK-based and have not received mine yet :(
Sorry mate I should have made that clearer, no I haven't received mine. That's what worries me =S
At this point in time I don't believe anyone who has a delayed order has received their shipment
It doesn't look like it, hopefully we just have to be patient
Post by: LDobler on Thu, 11 May 2017, 16:25:53
Post by: Jubileus on Tue, 16 May 2017, 05:30:49
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 16 May 2017, 05:47:28
Post by: Jumie on Tue, 16 May 2017, 07:45:38
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 16 May 2017, 08:05:54
No but seriously, I'm ****ing disappointed. If this was an all out scambuy I'd probably be less pissed than now where everyone outside of the US and AUS is treated like a second class citizen.
Edit: maybe this was a bit much.. Still very pissed by now
Post by: Jumie on Tue, 16 May 2017, 09:08:44
Maybe we'll get our GB orders when 1upkeyboards restocks the R3 of these for the third time, haha.
No but seriously, I'm ****ing disappointed. If this was an all out scambuy I'd probably be less pissed than now where everyone outside of the US and AUS is treated like a second class citizen.
Edit: maybe this was a bit much.. Still very pissed by now
I couldn't agree more.. It's also such a shame that Zisb dissapeared after his apology write up and let someone else take the helm.
Post by: Gajible on Tue, 16 May 2017, 10:25:59
Post by: ipreferpie on Tue, 16 May 2017, 10:42:58
Post by: LDobler on Tue, 16 May 2017, 10:44:05
Post by: neon_tom on Tue, 16 May 2017, 14:51:37
Post by: Korseir on Tue, 16 May 2017, 15:05:17
I've had AliExpress orders placed and shipped in the meantime via the slowest free shipping method from China that have arrived and still no sight of my pandas in Canada. I have a hard time believing that AusPost can actually be this slow.
As someone also from Canada that is an amazing relatable description
Post by: gartentisch on Tue, 16 May 2017, 17:20:46
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Post by: clappingcactus on Tue, 16 May 2017, 21:05:09
So I haven't gotten an answer from zisb on what the time estimates are. The only news I got is that the orders have already left the country and should be arriving soon.
He also said a few orders never left the country because Auspost switched their order mailing system from a click-and-send method to a different one - for those orders he said he'd contact the people affected directly, and that shipping would be done with DHL.
I'm sorry that the news I have isn't better, or clearer. But I promise I've asked again if he got an estimate when he shipped out originally for how long it should take and will let you all know if and when I get answer.
Post by: gnarlsagan on Tue, 16 May 2017, 21:12:07
Hey all,
So I haven't gotten an answer from zisb on what the time estimates are. The only news I got is that the orders have already left the country and should be arriving soon.
He also said a few orders never left the country because Auspost switched their order mailing system from a click-and-send method to a different one - for those orders he said he'd contact the people affected directly, and that shipping would be done with DHL.
I'm sorry that the news I have isn't better, or clearer. But I promise I've asked again if he got an estimate when he shipped out originally for how long it should take and will let you all know if and when I get answer.
Thanks for the update. Can you also ask when the orders left the country?
Post by: Jubileus on Tue, 16 May 2017, 21:39:09
Any idea when we will get contacted by Zisb?
Post by: Korseir on Tue, 16 May 2017, 21:52:09
Post by: loar on Wed, 17 May 2017, 03:33:14
Some info on INVYR-146 would be kindly appreciatedyeah, infos would be nice
Order #178
Post by: tobsn on Wed, 17 May 2017, 10:44:22
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 17 May 2017, 10:54:40
Hey all,
So I haven't gotten an answer from zisb on what the time estimates are. The only news I got is that the orders have already left the country and should be arriving soon.
He also said a few orders never left the country because Auspost switched their order mailing system from a click-and-send method to a different one - for those orders he said he'd contact the people affected directly, and that shipping would be done with DHL.
I'm sorry that the news I have isn't better, or clearer. But I promise I've asked again if he got an estimate when he shipped out originally for how long it should take and will let you all know if and when I get answer.
Thank you for your efforts at least! Hopefully I see my switches at some point this year
Post by: ambalek on Wed, 17 May 2017, 10:54:55
Post by: kimper on Wed, 17 May 2017, 12:11:41
please refund it.
serfcity@gmail.com
Post by: Neo.X on Thu, 18 May 2017, 11:37:18
Can I get refund on my order?
Post by: Jubileus on Thu, 18 May 2017, 23:24:29
Post by: ipreferpie on Fri, 19 May 2017, 00:05:05
Post by: Jumie on Fri, 19 May 2017, 02:56:56
Post by: Korseir on Fri, 19 May 2017, 08:04:19
Post by: breitling on Fri, 19 May 2017, 09:44:24
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 19 May 2017, 09:51:51
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/36/c6/7c/36c67cf603670d027a5a2ed3b04f81a6.png)
Post by: breitling on Fri, 19 May 2017, 11:31:58
Post by: zisb on Fri, 19 May 2017, 18:11:35
Please check your emails. I am really ****ing sorry. I am trying to my best but I am going through shipping hell.
Post by: Korseir on Fri, 19 May 2017, 19:35:11
Post by: LDobler on Fri, 19 May 2017, 20:14:08
Hey everyone,Are we supposed to get the tracking info via email?
Please check your emails. I am really ****ing sorry. I am trying to my best but I am going through shipping hell.
Post by: gartentisch on Fri, 19 May 2017, 20:22:08
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Post by: Jubileus on Sat, 20 May 2017, 02:14:11
Post by: kimper on Sun, 21 May 2017, 06:44:06
Hey everyone,
Please check your emails. I am really ****ing sorry. I am trying to my best but I am going through shipping hell.
I can't find your e-mail.
what's going on?
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 21 May 2017, 19:36:36
Hey everyone,
Please check your emails. I am really ****ing sorry. I am trying to my best but I am going through shipping hell.
No emails yet.
I'm sorry you are having some difficulties with this. Hopefully when I get the email it will be good news :)
Post by: Korseir on Fri, 26 May 2017, 00:25:10
Anyone participating in the Hasu FC660C controller GB should be getting an email soon about their controllers being shipped out from Japan. There shouldnt be an excuse to not have these switches delivered by the time these controllers are delivered.
forgot to mention that i recently received my FC660C controller from the mail yesterday and that was from japan. unless i am quite mistaken by how shipping works in certain regions, delivering the switches should take approximately the same time if sent out properly correct? (can someone who has more knowledge about this sort of stuff key in on if what i am saying is true or not?)
Post by: superdoedoe on Fri, 26 May 2017, 05:27:29
Anyone participating in the Hasu FC660C controller GB should be getting an email soon about their controllers being shipped out from Japan. There shouldnt be an excuse to not have these switches delivered by the time these controllers are delivered.
forgot to mention that I recently received my FC660C controller from the mail yesterday and that was from japan. unless i am quite mistaken by how shipping works in certain regions, delivering the switches should take approximately the same time if sent out properly correct? (can someone who has more knowledge about this sort of stuff key in on if what i am saying is true or not?)
To be honest it really depends on which zone you are in for Australia. I'm in Australia myself and i just received a parcel from Japan, just the non-express delivery and it took like 3 days maybe? For Australia, our postal system sucks and is made a joke of on numerous occasions. So Ideally normal shipping speed to the States should be around 14 working days, give or take, but on average about 2 weeks.
Post by: Korseir on Fri, 26 May 2017, 07:42:52
Post by: breitling on Sat, 27 May 2017, 16:25:30
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 27 May 2017, 17:56:14
Thanks for being transparent about the problems but without any plan or date/deadline for when you plan to ship and make good on the orders that have been waiting a very long time there is nothing for us to look towards. It would be nice to see a commitment and some sort of intent to follow through with it.
At this point I would just like to have some of these switches already, all the other bits for my build has arrived, just waiting on switches now :(
Post by: stix on Sun, 28 May 2017, 10:35:06
ORDER NUMBER: 51
DATE: October 27, 2016
TOTAL: $84.99
PAYMENT METHOD: Credit Card (Stripe)
Post by: tobsn on Wed, 31 May 2017, 09:45:18
Post by: Petch on Wed, 31 May 2017, 10:45:30
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 31 May 2017, 10:47:09
Did R2 fix the issues with the first lot?
I don't think R2 is a thing yet
Post by: LDobler on Wed, 31 May 2017, 10:48:15
Post by: neon_tom on Wed, 31 May 2017, 13:44:23
Did R2 fix the issues with the first lot?
The issue where tons of people waited months and months for shipments that didn't show up? I hope so. ;-)
Post by: Jubileus on Wed, 31 May 2017, 22:47:01
Looks like its getting really shipped this time. Hopefully.
Thanks Zisb! :thumb:
Post by: Korseir on Wed, 31 May 2017, 22:49:57
Just got an email asking for my phone number.
Looks like its getting really shipped this time. Hopefully.
Thanks Zisb! :thumb:
same here, hopefully there will be tracking this time around
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 01 June 2017, 10:31:49
Post by: Korseir on Thu, 01 June 2017, 10:37:36
I got nothing still. :(
The email seems to be pertaining to those of us who didn't include our phone number in the shipping info
Post by: aznreaper on Thu, 01 June 2017, 14:12:37
Post by: Jubileus on Fri, 09 June 2017, 01:41:33
Post by: Will_26 on Fri, 09 June 2017, 11:18:19
Post by: aznreaper on Sat, 10 June 2017, 21:36:41
Post by: Cotay on Mon, 12 June 2017, 23:07:02
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 16 June 2017, 06:49:13
Post by: Neo.X on Fri, 16 June 2017, 10:01:15
Post by: tobsn on Fri, 16 June 2017, 12:44:41
Post by: breitling on Wed, 21 June 2017, 11:20:34
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 21 June 2017, 11:43:54
I have been in a fair few GBs, most of them pretty positive, but this is certainly not one of those.
At this point am not even mad, just disappointed :(
Post by: tobsn on Wed, 21 June 2017, 11:51:47
these switches are available to buy right now from 1upkeyboard.
they restocked them already for the second time... my noveltykeys switch tester has a panda on it... I ordered that thing like 3 month ago.
he's literally sending out boxes full of them for month now.
In 10 days from now, by FTC terms, this will be considered fraud since no refund was offered.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 21 June 2017, 14:43:01
these switches are available to buy right now from 1upkeyboard.
they restocked them already for the second time... my noveltykeys switch tester has a panda on it... I ordered that thing like 3 month ago.
he's literally sending out boxes full of them for month now.
In 10 days from now, by FTC terms, this will be considered fraud since no refund was offered.
I messaged him 3 days ago, this is the answer that I got (kinda forgot to post about it, sorry)
(http://puu.sh/wqGyv/58e415fa0e.png)
So, if you are interested in a refund, send him an e-mail, he will probably get back to you.
I personally did not request a refund as I'd really like to get these someday, and considering the board these are meant for is delayed as well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post by: Korseir on Wed, 21 June 2017, 14:49:26
these switches are available to buy right now from 1upkeyboard.
they restocked them already for the second time... my noveltykeys switch tester has a panda on it... I ordered that thing like 3 month ago.
he's literally sending out boxes full of them for month now.
In 10 days from now, by FTC terms, this will be considered fraud since no refund was offered.
seems like if you are neither a well known member of the community who will review the switches or don't intend to purchase massive quantities of them, then zero ****s are given whether you get your order or not despite the "apologies" for shipping hell (even though other sellers like you've mentioned are still receiving them)
Post by: breitling on Thu, 22 June 2017, 09:30:33
Post by: tobsn on Thu, 22 June 2017, 11:43:06
you gotta be kidding...
Post by: DanielT on Thu, 22 June 2017, 12:02:38
Post by: LeandreN on Thu, 22 June 2017, 12:04:13
https://mech27.com/index.php/product/panda-switches/
you gotta be kidding...
If I am not mistaken, he just funded and bought his switches, and isn't part of the fulfillment of this group buy.
Post by: tobsn on Thu, 22 June 2017, 12:07:50
If I am not mistaken, he just funded and bought his switches, and isn't part of the fulfillment of this group buy.
I could apparently just order them directly at the factory and start selling them myself, like everyone else does for 4 month now, and I would probably get them faster.
That is yet another level of ****ed up.
Post by: Korseir on Thu, 22 June 2017, 12:10:04
If I am not mistaken, he just funded and bought his switches, and isn't part of the fulfillment of this group buy.
I could apparently just order them directly at the factory and start selling them myself, like everyone else does for 4 month now, and I would probably get them faster.
That is yet another level of ****ed up.
I believe 27 had his shipment of pandas a long time ago when it was first believed that he was the proxy for Canadian deliveries (he had his shipment delivered around January 27 2017)
Post by: Cotay on Thu, 22 June 2017, 14:43:15
I think 1UpKeyboards is the best bet right now.
Post by: Cocopah on Sun, 25 June 2017, 16:56:30
27 has had them for at least a few weeks now. I considered buying more from him, but I'm hesitant given that he has also been having shipment/fulfillment issues with his GBs: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84703.900
I think 1UpKeyboards is the best bet right now.
I bought some off 27 from his site. It took a while and there was no tracking, but I did get them in the given timeframe(2weeks for US).
Post by: ipreferpie on Mon, 26 June 2017, 10:29:26
Post by: tobsn on Tue, 27 June 2017, 07:01:24
So serious WTF is going on? Three times it was promised that shipping will happen but no updates and no tracking. Meanwhile all these commercial sites are getting theirs and selling it. Either he refunds all his outstanding orders or we submit PayPal disputes and claims for mail fraud
You're lucky that you came later and used paypal... I used my CC.
This came today:
Quote
Hey All,
The switches ended up getting picked up by DHL on the 26th. the cutoff for Friday was at 2pm so I had to wait the weekend /shrug. At the moment I assume they would be processing in Sydney, as soon as they have been processed you should receive the tracking number from DHL themselves, not me (sorry for the change), so keep an eye out for that.
I'll keep you updated as I learn more on my end. I am a little inexperienced with DHL's shipping system, however they have been really fantastic in assisting me and answering my queries.
From here I guess I will begin work on the R2 switches for you guys. I want to have some prototypes made asap so I can get them out to you. I had some early ideas for materials CNC machined for me to test with promising results, so I'll see how it goes. If you have anything you want to see form them let me know aswell, I'm always open to suggestions.
If you have any questions, dont hesitate to contact me. I do prefer email as its easy for me to manage, unlike reddit/gh PM's. Also if you would like to have longer conversations with me, feel free to hit me up in discord PMs. I am a member of the /r/mk discord so it should be pretty easy to message me.
I think that covers everything, at-least for now.
Best Regards,
Jack
Post by: Jubileus on Wed, 28 June 2017, 00:29:14
Post by: stix on Thu, 29 June 2017, 13:21:23
Post by: Will_26 on Fri, 30 June 2017, 07:07:18
Received my round 1 switches today in the UK :thumb:
Just read this then got a text from home about a parcel. Can't work out what is might be and can't remember what I paid for these, but I think it must be them, $70 value I think?
Post by: ambalek on Fri, 30 June 2017, 10:09:53
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 30 June 2017, 18:21:16
Post by: aznreaper on Sun, 02 July 2017, 21:56:48
Post by: Korseir on Sun, 02 July 2017, 22:08:17
Hmmm... anyone from Canada getting theirs yet? And did anyone actually get tracking numbers from DHL like he said there would be? Haven't seen any emails regarding tracking numbers yet
That is a negatory on both tracking number and receiving of order
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 02 July 2017, 23:55:43
Hmmm... anyone from Canada getting theirs yet? And did anyone actually get tracking numbers from DHL like he said there would be? Haven't seen any emails regarding tracking numbers yet
That is a negatory on both tracking number and receiving of order
Nope, sadly no indication of delivery so far for me.
Post by: Jubileus on Tue, 04 July 2017, 01:55:38
Post by: Korseir on Tue, 04 July 2017, 04:57:45
I also didn't receive an email from DHL. I'd like to ask for my tracking number since my local post wont let me know if I have a package if I don't have a tracking number.
In the email it says DHL is supposed to distribute the number
Post by: duynguyenle on Tue, 04 July 2017, 07:08:30
Post by: Jubileus on Wed, 05 July 2017, 02:03:25
Looks like it went to Germany and back to me to Philippines. It's so close.
Can't wait to try em.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 05 July 2017, 02:49:47
I was able to ask Zisb for my tracking. Thank you so much! :thumb:
Looks like it went to Germany and back to me to Philippines. It's so close.
Can't wait to try em.
Hmm interesting, I didn't receive anything yet here in germany :/
Maybe today, or tomorrow, or next week
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 05 July 2017, 06:29:47
I was able to ask Zisb for my tracking. Thank you so much! :thumb:
Looks like it went to Germany and back to me to Philippines. It's so close.
Can't wait to try em.
Hmm interesting, I didn't receive anything yet here in germany :/
Maybe today, or tomorrow, or next week
Probably held hostage at customs
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 05 July 2017, 06:54:19
Hmm interesting, I didn't receive anything yet here in germany :/
Maybe today, or tomorrow, or next week
Probably held hostage at customs
DHL stuff usually takes max. one day at customs... Maybe we're the last ones that got sorted in AUS and didn't catch the flight or something. I hope.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 05 July 2017, 18:59:29
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk
Post by: Sythe on Thu, 06 July 2017, 00:43:18
Post by: Korseir on Thu, 06 July 2017, 16:36:37
Post by: aznreaper on Thu, 06 July 2017, 20:15:55
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 12 July 2017, 06:35:32
Post by: r5d on Wed, 12 July 2017, 08:24:49
Only 163 days
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 12 July 2017, 08:36:22
Picked mine up from customs here in Berlin today :D
Only 163 days
notagain.jpg
Post by: Neo.X on Wed, 12 July 2017, 15:34:01
Thanks
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Thu, 13 July 2017, 16:23:28
Post by: Sempre on Thu, 13 July 2017, 23:21:58
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 13 July 2017, 23:47:49
Would love to read some impressions from those who used these switches by now and if possible a comparison between Pandas and the new tooling cherry switches .
I've used both. Retooled blacks seem to be better. In my opinion, Pandas are only worth it if you want to use the housing to make money switches with Zealios.
Post by: Sythe on Fri, 14 July 2017, 00:36:45
Am planning to do some modifications to see how I like them with different stuff done.
Post by: Sempre on Fri, 14 July 2017, 04:55:24
I've used both. Retooled blacks seem to be better. In my opinion, Pandas are only worth it if you want to use the housing to make money switches with Zealios.
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
Post by: gartentisch on Fri, 14 July 2017, 06:53:42
Also I got the platemount version, despite zisb telling be I'd get the pcb mount ones. But oh well.
Oh and before I forget. The switches are just stuffed inside an envelope with no cushioning at all.
All in all a pretty bad experience...
Post by: ipreferpie on Tue, 01 August 2017, 09:40:47
Post by: zisb on Tue, 01 August 2017, 10:05:43
I sent out the remaining orders almost a month ago, so if for whatever reason you still haven't received them please let me know ASAP.
Post by: gnarlsagan on Tue, 01 August 2017, 13:01:40
If your missing your switches, please send me an email (zisbmail@gmail.com) so I can sort out what happened.
I sent out the remaining orders almost a month ago, so if for whatever reason you still haven't received them please let me know ASAP.
Hey there zisb. Is there a status update on the PCB mount switches? I was under the impression from your previous email that the PCB mount switches would be sent out to those who ordered them.
Post by: aznreaper on Tue, 01 August 2017, 16:22:28
Post by: LDobler on Tue, 01 May 2018, 12:21:29
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 01 May 2018, 21:51:15
Any news on R2/panda v2?
spoke to 27 about it the other day, they're waiting on more samples
Post by: Korseir on Tue, 01 May 2018, 22:01:38
Hey everyone,
I'd like to announce to everyone that if you have been affected by shipping delays, I will be offering R2 to you free of charge granted you can pick up the shipping cost for it. I will email those affected with further details down the line.
Is this still going to be honored?
Post by: LDobler on Wed, 02 May 2018, 09:45:07
Any news on R2/panda v2?
spoke to 27 about it the other day, they're waiting on more samples
Thanks! :thumb:
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 02 May 2018, 17:58:10
Hey everyone,
I'd like to announce to everyone that if you have been affected by shipping delays, I will be offering R2 to you free of charge granted you can pick up the shipping cost for it. I will email those affected with further details down the line.
Is this still going to be honored?
Seeing as Zisb hasn't been online for months and the post you quoted was over a year old, I am not going to hold my breath (I think he still owes me something like 30 switches but eh chalk it up to GB tax I suppose)
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 26 May 2018, 01:05:11
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 26 May 2018, 01:50:12
Who's going to handle V2/R2? Also who's developing? Wish there were more updates and details
there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff goin on with it
stay tuned
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 26 May 2018, 05:13:00
Who's going to handle V2/R2? Also who's developing? Wish there were more updates and details
1up is working on it afaik.
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 30 May 2018, 16:10:59
When ready, will the announcement be made here?Who's going to handle V2/R2? Also who's developing? Wish there were more updates and details
there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff goin on with it
stay tuned
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 30 May 2018, 21:04:26
When ready, will the announcement be made here?Who's going to handle V2/R2? Also who's developing? Wish there were more updates and details
there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff goin on with it
stay tuned
no idea
Post by: h9n9n3 on Thu, 07 June 2018, 00:07:56
Is panda+halo that good?
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 07 June 2018, 00:35:39
Still no news? Why is Panda so expensive and people eager to spend $4 per switch happily? this is becoming madness.
Is panda+halo that good?
it's not much better than zeal + bsun or clear + bsun
memes are just worth money
they're coming
Post by: h9n9n3 on Thu, 07 June 2018, 00:45:01
Still no news? Why is Panda so expensive and people eager to spend $4 per switch happily? this is becoming madness.
Is panda+halo that good?
it's not much better than zeal + bsun or clear + bsun
memes are just worth money
they're coming
Wow but I've never seen a $4/switch meme switch so it was quite shocking. J e s u s ...
Hope it will arrive soon. Thanks for the news.
Post by: h9n9n3 on Thu, 07 June 2018, 00:45:50
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 07 June 2018, 00:55:46
Still no news? Why is Panda so expensive and people eager to spend $4 per switch happily? this is becoming madness.
Is panda+halo that good?
it's not much better than zeal + bsun or clear + bsun
memes are just worth money
they're coming
Wow but I've never seen a $4/switch meme switch so it was quite shocking. J e s u s ...
Hope it will arrive soon. Thanks for the news.
nixies/hirose/neon greens/striped ambers
and a few others i can't think of offhand
Post by: h9n9n3 on Thu, 07 June 2018, 01:06:09
Still no news? Why is Panda so expensive and people eager to spend $4 per switch happily? this is becoming madness.
Is panda+halo that good?
it's not much better than zeal + bsun or clear + bsun
memes are just worth money
they're coming
Wow but I've never seen a $4/switch meme switch so it was quite shocking. J e s u s ...
Hope it will arrive soon. Thanks for the news.
nixies/hirose/neon greens/striped ambers
and a few others i can't think of offhand
Yeah but those are from ancient though aren't they? Panda hasn't been that old.
Just saying...
Post by: Puss on Thu, 07 June 2018, 01:54:37
Post by: vewy_nice on Thu, 07 June 2018, 08:04:20
That's the only reason I want some.
I made some "Poor man's pandas" out of milky gateron housings, but it just isn't the same.
Idk, I'm a sucker for unique switch colors.
Post by: forstsiven on Thu, 07 June 2018, 13:15:32
Still no news? Why is Panda so expensive and people eager to spend $4 per switch happily? this is becoming madness.
Is panda+halo that good?
Hype + limited availability is driving prices up and up and up. People want what they can't have.
Post by: WilySouser on Thu, 07 June 2018, 13:23:41
From what I’ve read on reddit, seems like the mold? For the panda switches was destroyed after the first run. Supposedly the trial r2s have been lackluster. Hope is grim for new pandas.
why tf would you destroy the mold and not just give it to someone to put on a shelf somewhere? That seems pretty dumb.
Post by: xondat on Thu, 07 June 2018, 14:19:51
From what I’ve read on reddit, seems like the mold? For the panda switches was destroyed after the first run. Supposedly the trial r2s have been lackluster. Hope is grim for new pandas.
why tf would you destroy the mold and not just give it to someone to put on a shelf somewhere? That seems pretty dumb.
Because it wasn't that good as a stock switch, and it costs a lot of money to store things long term that you'll never use again. Literally no point keeping it.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 07 June 2018, 14:20:23
why tf would you destroy the mold and not just give it to someone to put on a shelf somewhere? That seems pretty dumb.
It probably wasn't destroyed in a grand sense but repurposed, which is commonplace in China.
Post by: KaosJ on Thu, 07 June 2018, 16:16:37
it's not much better than zeal + bsun or clear + bsun
memes are just worth money
they're coming
IMHO much better than bsun for tactility.
Is panda+halo that good?
Worth $3/4? Absolutely not.
Good? I prefer clear+panda or zandas but halo+panda is good, or said better is unique. Apart memes, i see why people want to spend so much on them, it's a unique combination which produces a really unique feedback. Not my type of switch, but really particular.
Post by: the pokemon kid on Thu, 07 June 2018, 16:34:59
it's not much better than zeal + bsun or clear + bsun
memes are just worth money
they're coming
IMHO much better than bsun for tactility.Is panda+halo that good?
Worth $3/4? Absolutely not.
Good? I prefer clear+panda or zandas but halo+panda is good, or said better is unique. Apart memes, i see why people want to spend so much on them, it's a unique combination which produces a really unique feedback. Not my type of switch, but really particular.
I had some 78g Zilent Pandas up until I got Box Royals through. For me, stock Box Royals were better than Panda combos (Albeit havent tried Halo + Panda). Then I lubed the Royals and they got even better. After trying this, I instantly sold all the Zilent Pandas I had.
IMO Box Royals are better and are $0.50 a switch.
Post by: KaosJ on Thu, 07 June 2018, 16:48:10
it's not much better than zeal + bsun or clear + bsun
memes are just worth money
they're coming
IMHO much better than bsun for tactility.Is panda+halo that good?
Worth $3/4? Absolutely not.
Good? I prefer clear+panda or zandas but halo+panda is good, or said better is unique. Apart memes, i see why people want to spend so much on them, it's a unique combination which produces a really unique feedback. Not my type of switch, but really particular.
I had some 78g Zilent Pandas up until I got Box Royals through. For me, stock Box Royals were better than Panda combos (Albeit havent tried Halo + Panda). Then I lubed the Royals and they got even better. After trying this, I instantly sold all the Zilent Pandas I had.
IMO Box Royals are better and are $0.50 a switch.
I think it's a total different type of tactilty, sharp vs long tactility.
I prefer zandas/ergopandas for royal, but royal is pretty tactile (but really different from other tactiles). Holy pandas are less tactile imho, but what makes them good is the way you feel that tactility, is really weird and particular.
Post by: the pokemon kid on Thu, 07 June 2018, 17:05:45
it's not much better than zeal + bsun or clear + bsun
memes are just worth money
they're coming
IMHO much better than bsun for tactility.Is panda+halo that good?
Worth $3/4? Absolutely not.
Good? I prefer clear+panda or zandas but halo+panda is good, or said better is unique. Apart memes, i see why people want to spend so much on them, it's a unique combination which produces a really unique feedback. Not my type of switch, but really particular.
I had some 78g Zilent Pandas up until I got Box Royals through. For me, stock Box Royals were better than Panda combos (Albeit havent tried Halo + Panda). Then I lubed the Royals and they got even better. After trying this, I instantly sold all the Zilent Pandas I had.
IMO Box Royals are better and are $0.50 a switch.
I think it's a total different type of tactilty, sharp vs long tactility.
I prefer zandas/ergopandas for royal, but royal is pretty tactile (but really different from other tactiles). Holy pandas are less tactile imho, but what makes them good is the way you feel that tactility, is really weird and particular.
Lubing them takes the edge off the sharp tactility. Also SPRiT's springs really help with the harsh bottom out. They even reduce the tactility ever so slightly.
My issue with Panda's is that they feel way more scratchy that Royals. I lubed everything and they didnt feel smoother than a stock Zealio...
Post by: pindow on Sat, 09 June 2018, 23:31:55
Post by: superdoedoe on Sun, 10 June 2018, 02:35:55
Will be there R2? please i want this as much as sucide
Yeah, won't be the same though. Should be this year.
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 12 June 2018, 15:48:32
Post by: xondat on Tue, 12 June 2018, 15:51:51
R2 panda coming?
Yes. Scroll through the last couple of pages.
Post by: johuu on Tue, 12 June 2018, 15:52:59
R2 panda coming?
I heard that 1upkeyboard will sell them exclusive soon(tm).
Post by: Rumblehotep on Tue, 12 June 2018, 17:29:11
Post by: dimo on Tue, 12 June 2018, 17:39:36
Supposedly Halo switches dropping by themselves tomorrow on Massdrop finally...
**** yeah they are, decent price too
Post by: parityb1t on Tue, 12 June 2018, 17:42:19
Supposedly Halo switches dropping by themselves tomorrow on Massdrop finally...
**** yeah they are, decent price too
You mean 'correctly' priced. flipping is bad m'kay
Post by: Remsky on Tue, 12 June 2018, 18:50:34
Tell that to the majority of suppliers.Supposedly Halo switches dropping by themselves tomorrow on Massdrop finally...
**** yeah they are, decent price too
You mean 'correctly' priced. flipping is bad m'kay
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 16 June 2018, 14:40:35
Massdrop is making good money out of this drop.
Guess second hand market for halo already crashed
Post by: forstsiven on Sat, 16 June 2018, 18:36:47
0.5 each for Kailh is still way over priced. Cost is probably less than 10c each
Massdrop is making good money out of this drop.
Guess second hand market for halo already crashed
I nearly purchased a pack of 70 for $105 and then backed out and waited - then the Massdrop drop was announced. Was getting kind of ridiculous for the halos.
Post by: dimo on Sat, 16 June 2018, 18:39:15
0.5 each for Kailh is still way over priced. Cost is probably less than 10c each
Massdrop is making good money out of this drop.
Guess second hand market for halo already crashed
I nearly purchased a pack of 70 for $105 and then backed out and waited - then the Massdrop drop was announced. Was getting kind of ridiculous for the halos.
do you already have the pandas?
Post by: forstsiven on Sat, 16 June 2018, 19:07:13
0.5 each for Kailh is still way over priced. Cost is probably less than 10c each
Massdrop is making good money out of this drop.
Guess second hand market for halo already crashed
I nearly purchased a pack of 70 for $105 and then backed out and waited - then the Massdrop drop was announced. Was getting kind of ridiculous for the halos.
do you already have the pandas?
I just bought 110 Pandas.
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 19 June 2018, 14:43:34
0.5 each for Kailh is still way over priced. Cost is probably less than 10c each
Massdrop is making good money out of this drop.
Guess second hand market for halo already crashed
I nearly purchased a pack of 70 for $105 and then backed out and waited - then the Massdrop drop was announced. Was getting kind of ridiculous for the halos.
do you already have the pandas?
I just bought 110 Pandas.
where did you buy the pandas?
Post by: forstsiven on Tue, 19 June 2018, 15:49:55
0.5 each for Kailh is still way over priced. Cost is probably less than 10c each
Massdrop is making good money out of this drop.
Guess second hand market for halo already crashed
I nearly purchased a pack of 70 for $105 and then backed out and waited - then the Massdrop drop was announced. Was getting kind of ridiculous for the halos.
do you already have the pandas?
I just bought 110 Pandas.
where did you buy the pandas?
Mechmarket on Reddit. Made a post offering PayPal or tutoring and paid PayPal (expectedly). Very excited to compare holy panda vs zilent, zanda, box royal, and bke lights.
Post by: dimo on Tue, 19 June 2018, 16:55:52
0.5 each for Kailh is still way over priced. Cost is probably less than 10c each
Massdrop is making good money out of this drop.
Guess second hand market for halo already crashed
I nearly purchased a pack of 70 for $105 and then backed out and waited - then the Massdrop drop was announced. Was getting kind of ridiculous for the halos.
do you already have the pandas?
I just bought 110 Pandas.
where did you buy the pandas?
Mechmarket on Reddit. Made a post offering PayPal or tutoring and paid PayPal (expectedly). Very excited to compare holy panda vs zilent, zanda, box royal, and bke lights.
Are you willing to share how much you paid for em?
Post by: forstsiven on Tue, 19 June 2018, 18:14:42
0.5 each for Kailh is still way over priced. Cost is probably less than 10c each
Massdrop is making good money out of this drop.
Guess second hand market for halo already crashed
I nearly purchased a pack of 70 for $105 and then backed out and waited - then the Massdrop drop was announced. Was getting kind of ridiculous for the halos.
do you already have the pandas?
I just bought 110 Pandas.
where did you buy the pandas?
Mechmarket on Reddit. Made a post offering PayPal or tutoring and paid PayPal (expectedly). Very excited to compare holy panda vs zilent, zanda, box royal, and bke lights.
Are you willing to share how much you paid for em?
I guess with the caveat that I don't get pestered to sell. I made my post looking for 60, he asked me if I would buy 110, I said yes, he had another offer for $20 more but said he'd sell to me since I agreed first if I'd match the other's offer, which I did. In total, including fees & paypal, I paid $180 for the 110.
Post by: whitty on Wed, 20 June 2018, 03:28:40
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I guess with the caveat that I don't get pestered to sell. I made my post looking for 60, he asked me if I would buy 110, I said yes, he had another offer for $20 more but said he'd sell to me since I agreed first if I'd match the other's offer, which I did. In total, including fees & paypal, I paid $180 for the 110.
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I messaged you a question
Post by: edasaur on Sun, 24 June 2018, 23:38:57
0.5 each for Kailh is still way over priced. Cost is probably less than 10c each
Massdrop is making good money out of this drop.
Guess second hand market for halo already crashed
I nearly purchased a pack of 70 for $105 and then backed out and waited - then the Massdrop drop was announced. Was getting kind of ridiculous for the halos.
do you already have the pandas?
I just bought 110 Pandas.
where did you buy the pandas?
Mechmarket on Reddit. Made a post offering PayPal or tutoring and paid PayPal (expectedly). Very excited to compare holy panda vs zilent, zanda, box royal, and bke lights.
Are you willing to share how much you paid for em?
I guess with the caveat that I don't get pestered to sell. I made my post looking for 60, he asked me if I would buy 110, I said yes, he had another offer for $20 more but said he'd sell to me since I agreed first if I'd match the other's offer, which I did. In total, including fees & paypal, I paid $180 for the 110.
That's so cheap compared to the posts I've been seeing on /r/mm :/
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 25 June 2018, 04:34:21