Author Topic: Bro Powderpuff Esc pt. 2 (Read 36205 times)

raymogi · « **on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:08:36 »

So as we all know the drama about the Bro Esc cap last week: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75142.0

I am the buyer of that cap and prior to Bro spotting the photoshopped image, I had already PMed bro about this and he told me to report it to a moderator. I told him let's give him a chance to send the caps to me and if I did't get it then I will bring this topic out.

The weekend passed and he agreed to send it to me on Monday. Sent me pictures of the caps ready to be packaged and sent out on iMessage. He also told me that he will take pics of the receipt since there is no tracking on this one. Tracked shipment from Canada, to Indonesia, as I was told is expensive.

So then he sent me this pic:

Right off the bat it looks sketchy to me. The number seems wonky, and the fact that it's highlighted like that makes it even more so. I asked my wife and her sister and they all spotted the same thing, the number 2 seems off. So I told him to send me a picture without the box:

It came out the same. Just the box being removed.

So I thought I'll google for something like how to spot when an image has been photoshopped. The website fotoforensics.com comes out so I thought why not give it a go.

Then this picture came out for analysis:

Along with the metadata analysis:

What do you guys think?

I already told him to refund me and just call of this whole thing but he said it's already on its way to me.

azhdar · « **Reply #1 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:13:01 »

The fact that the 2 are of a different color is very weird, compare it to the 2 on top of the picture to se the differences.

beehatch · « **Reply #2 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:18:14 »

Dat drama.

Who takes a picture of a receipt for tracking and covers up the date/time? Did you ask for more confirmation?

Such as a picture of the receipt...again, and a picture of the package with visible information on it?

fanpeople · « **Reply #3 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:21:14 »

Yeah ask for a shot with date visible. Also what is the number meant to be?

raymogi · « **Reply #4 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:22:08 »

Quote from: beehatch on Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:18:14

Dat drama.

Who takes a picture of a receipt for tracking and covers up the date/time? Did you ask for more confirmation?

Such as a picture of the receipt...again, and a picture of the package with visible information on it?

I did. With dates too. And this is what he said:

Belfong · « **Reply #5 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:23:18 »

I hope you are paying via PayPal goods. So you are protected.

raymogi · « **Reply #6 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:23:19 »

Quote from: fanpeople on Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:21:14

Yeah ask for a shot with date visible. Also what is the number meant to be?

That number is my zipcode. It's just it looks like it came out from a different number with both number 2 being pasted on.

The original one might have a number like 1x9x0.

Signature · « **Reply #7 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:23:35 »

Why would go through with a trade with a proven shady dude?

raymogi · « **Reply #8 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:27:13 »

Quote from: Belfong on Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:23:18

I hope you are paying via PayPal goods. So you are protected.

Yeah I did. The price we agreed upon includes Paypal goods fee and shipping.

raymogi · « **Reply #9 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:28:00 »

Quote from: Signature on Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:23:35

Why would go through with a trade with a proven shady dude?

I didn't see anything wrong with him prior to this, not that I know of.

He seems fine and we talked a lot on iMsg too so I thought he's alright.

beehatch · « **Reply #10 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:29:19 »

I'm not really sure what to believe. We know that they didn't wish to go through with the transaction, obviously. So, when you offered just to get refunded why wouldn't they just take it?

I feel like there wouldn't be a point to be lying about that, except if the refund was for a significant amount of money.

At this point, it's your own fault for dealing with someone who illustrated an insane scenario just to keep a cap.

raymogi · « **Reply #11 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:32:16 »

My wife told me not to go with the trade, but at the time I thought I had decided on getting those caps so I wanna see it through.

I know that if this is proven right that I've been scammed but I'll take that as lesson learnt.

I just want to see what the community thinks about this.

Jokrik · « **Reply #12 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:35:05 »

What would be a great point to watch is the length of paypal protection with the actual shipping length
from my experience shipping from Canada to where you are right now would take ages (and sometimes lost, I had 2 out of 5 packages from Canada gone in the past)
and most of the time it would exceed the paypal protection length

beehatch · « **Reply #13 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:39:34 »

Quote from: raymogi on Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:32:16

My wife told me not to go with the trade, but at the time I thought I had decided on getting those caps so I wanna see it through.

I know that if this is proven right that I've been scammed but I'll take that as lesson learnt.

I just want to see what the community thinks about this.

It's almost like you did this just to see what would happen, knowing you could very likely be dealing with a difficult transaction, a scam even. You already knew what the community thought about this user and the situation they explained to get out of the sale. We understood it was shady, yet you went against what the community thought and went through with it.

Seems to me just an excuse to start drama after it started to get sketchy, as predicted.

Not saying that this isn't terrible, but you had a ton of warning signs.

raymogi · « **Reply #14 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:45:07 »

My purpose of starting this is not for more drama, but rather just to get a confirmation from others that those images are in fact fake/shopped, that's all.

I have accepted the fact that I might be scammed, so that's that. No regrets, no nothing. Lesson learnt for me.

Karura · « **Reply #15 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 05:01:22 »

Ray, I am so sorry that you have to deal with this ****ty person.

I just want you to know that not all Vancouver people are like that...

I'm almost embarrassed for him. I hope you can chargeback and resolve things if it doesn't work out. This is why I wanted us to do PayPal invoicing, so both buyer and seller are protected. Best of luck.

Belfong · « **Reply #16 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 05:03:15 »

Quote from: jokrik on Wed, 16 September 2015, 04:35:05

What would be a great point to watch is the length of paypal protection with the actual shipping length
from my experience shipping from Canada to where you are right now would take ages (and sometimes lost, I had 2 out of 5 packages from Canada gone in the past)
and most of the time it would exceed the paypal protection length

PayPal protection is now extended to 90 days. More than enough time for the package to go round the world 5 times. Get your refund if you don't get your caps.

raymogi · « **Reply #17 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 05:06:55 »

Of course I didn't think like that Karura

Maybe next time I should always ask for Express shipping from Canada like you did haha.

I believe we did this through invoice as well and yeah I do have 3 months for the buyer protection.

Binge · « **Reply #18 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 10:38:27 »

What de heel manng??

Is this guy just a fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu... calm down Bange-mang...don't lose your cool.

trizkut · « **Reply #19 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 10:48:32 »

Quote from: Binge on Wed, 16 September 2015, 10:38:27

What de heel manng??

Is this guy just a fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu... calm down Bange-mang...don't lose your cool.

Calm down Binee!

)

There's definitely something suspicious about those 2s... They don't even sit on the same plane as the other numbers

Binge · « **Reply #20 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 10:51:16 »

Quote from: trizkut on Wed, 16 September 2015, 10:48:32

Quote from: Binge on Wed, 16 September 2015, 10:38:27
What de heel manng??

Is this guy just a fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu... calm down Bange-mang...don't lose your cool.

Calm down Binee! )

There's definitely something suspicious about those 2s... They don't even sit on the same plane as the other numbers

the 9 isn't in-line with the 1 or 0 either.

BunnyLake · « **Reply #21 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 10:52:31 »

the 2's are level to the red box, not to the receipt

a couple of points here, tracking from canada can be expensive, ive had canadian users send me stuff both with and without tracking for that reason, but given the history of this trade, insiting on tracking would have been the only way to move forward, for both personas peace of mind

i guess to play devils advocate, ive seen receipts where things come off really weird, and characters arent uniform even to each other before, but as i say, if you take the original photo with the red box, the 2's line up perfectly with the red box added after that fact, yet the receipt is at a very different angle

hopefully in a week or whatever the package will show up, and its all much ado about nothing

however if the receipt is faked, its yet again astounding at the comedy of photoshop errors that have occurred on both issues here and with the caps, the only way to have done this properly was to lay the receipt on something flat, and take the shot straight on top down

for some reason, against all better judgement, i wanna believe the receipt is real, for no other reason that i dont wanna believe someone was stupid enough to try the same **** twice, and **** up both this badly

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #22 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 10:53:06 »

You guys sure it isn't just the 2 that is weird?

To the OP, I hope this works out for you but I would listen to your wife next time.

PS: I did this in paint in like 2 minutes just to illustrate how easily the numbers can be moved around.

antwonemoose · « **Reply #23 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 10:53:49 »

Sifo · « **Reply #24 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 10:56:33 »

here's my last Canada post receipt for u to compare.

BunnyLake · « **Reply #25 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 10:57:10 »

i take it back

the 2's are definitely produced from a different source

they have no bleed, and they are also identical, unlike other characters on the receipt

BunnyLake · « **Reply #26 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:00:10 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Wed, 16 September 2015, 10:53:06

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You guys sure it isn't just the 2 that is weird?

To the OP, I hope this works out for you but I would listen to your wife next time.

lol

antwonemoose · « **Reply #27 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:03:57 »

im kidding. that receipt looks very fishy. those 2s are photoshopped. start a dispute.

BunnyLake · « **Reply #28 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:04:30 »

here is a legit 2 on the receipt, as you can see its consistent with the other printing

compared to this

i do however applaud him for not taking the picture on a reflective surface this time, perhaps in 10 to 15 more tries at this kinda bull****, we will get closer to not spotting the issues instantly

inanis · « **Reply #29 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:05:05 »

If this is all true, then I have to believe that sender (temence, or whatever his new name is) has some kind of mental issue. No one in their right mind would do this...twice.

azhdar · « **Reply #30 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:05:37 »

Geekhack: 2 , Photoshop kid : 0

HoffmanMyster · « **Reply #31 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:06:55 »

Quote from: BunnyLake on Wed, 16 September 2015, 10:57:10

i take it back

the 2's are definitely produced from a different source

Show Image

they have no bleed, and they are also identical, unlike other characters on the receipt

Yeah.

Also, I've done a lot of work with thermal receipt tape (used to work for a manufacturer), and printing off-line is not at all common. You'll get streaks from a dirty print head, but I've never seen misaligned characters. Bunny mentioned seeing some, so it's probably possible (or those may have not been thermal paper), but still.

BunnyLake · « **Reply #32 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:09:24 »

Quote from: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:06:55

Quote from: BunnyLake on Wed, 16 September 2015, 10:57:10
i take it back

the 2's are definitely produced from a different source

Show Image

they have no bleed, and they are also identical, unlike other characters on the receipt

Yeah.

Also, I've done a lot of work with thermal receipt tape (used to work for a manufacturer), and printing off-line is not at all common. You'll get streaks from a dirty print head, but I've never seen misaligned characters. Bunny mentioned seeing some, so it's probably possible (or those may have not been thermal paper), but still.

my experience with ****ty characters has been on royal mail receipts, however upon close inspection, its nothing like this, the characters are from entirely different sources

cheebs · « **Reply #33 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:13:04 »

The amount of drama and conspiracy constantly surrounding brocaps and bunnylake is hilarious and full of variety. Nice to check back once in a while just for a good chuckle.

antwonemoose · « **Reply #34 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:14:40 »

those 2s definitely look like they were taken from one of the others 2s on the reciept and moved around and rotated a bit but not very good

raymogi · « **Reply #35 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:16:30 »

Bunny strikes yet again.

He messaged me just now to check my email. Payment has been refunded, 6-8 days to clear.

Belfong · « **Reply #36 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:17:31 »

I wouldn't have accepted a photo of a receipt. When I send stuff out, I take a photo of the the parcel which also have the tracking slip stickered to it. That way, one cannot dispute it because 1) tracking info is there and 2) receiver's address is on the box.

Zeal · « **Reply #37 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:17:44 »

I dug through a couple receipts I had in my laptop bag from the few times I ship untracked via Canadapost, and happened to find one with "29" next to each other (clock time). The numbers are definitely supposed to line up.

baldgye · « **Reply #38 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:17:47 »

10/10

would read again

BunnyLake · « **Reply #39 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:18:37 »

Quote from: raymogi on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:16:30

Bunny strikes yet again.

He messaged me just now to check my email. Payment has been refunded, 6-8 days to clear.

glad you got a resolution albeit not the caps you wanted

PM your address now, and ill send you some bro caps gamer esc's tomorrow so you arent left without after this persons actions

Belfong · « **Reply #40 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:19:02 »

Quote from: raymogi on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:16:30

Bunny strikes yet again.

He messaged me just now to check my email. Payment has been refunded, 6-8 days to clear.

I am confuse. Bunny refunded you?

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #41 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:19:42 »

Quote from: BunnyLake on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:18:37

Quote from: raymogi on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:16:30
Bunny strikes yet again.

He messaged me just now to check my email. Payment has been refunded, 6-8 days to clear.

glad you got a resolution albeit not the caps you wanted

PM your address now, and ill send you some bro caps gamer esc's tomorrow so you arent left without after this persons actions

This guy.

BunnyLake · « **Reply #42 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:19:54 »

Quote from: Belfong on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:19:02

Quote from: raymogi on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:16:30
Bunny strikes yet again.

He messaged me just now to check my email. Payment has been refunded, 6-8 days to clear.
I am confuse. Bunny refunded you?

he means the guy who sent the receipt saw this thread and refunded him

antwonemoose · « **Reply #43 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:20:28 »

shoutouts to the photoshopper. if that last thread didnt get you on everyones blacklist this one definitely will/ hope those caps you get to keep were worth it

Belfong · « **Reply #44 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:21:23 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:19:42

Quote from: BunnyLake on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:18:37
Quote from: raymogi on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:16:30
Bunny strikes yet again.

He messaged me just now to check my email. Payment has been refunded, 6-8 days to clear.

glad you got a resolution albeit not the caps you wanted

PM your address now, and ill send you some bro caps gamer esc's tomorrow so you arent left without after this persons actions

This guy.

baldgye · « **Reply #45 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:22:13 »

Quote from: Belfong on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:21:23

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:19:42
Quote from: BunnyLake on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:18:37
Quote from: raymogi on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:16:30
Bunny strikes yet again.

He messaged me just now to check my email. Payment has been refunded, 6-8 days to clear.

glad you got a resolution albeit not the caps you wanted

PM your address now, and ill send you some bro caps gamer esc's tomorrow so you arent left without after this persons actions

This guy.

Belfong · « **Reply #46 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:23:06 »

Quote from: antwonemoose on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:20:28

shoutouts to the photoshopper. if that last thread didnt get you on everyones blacklist this one definitely will/ hope those caps you get to keep were worth it

probably a good time to make use of Heatware.

raymogi · « **Reply #47 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:24:09 »

Quote from: BunnyLake on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:18:37

Quote from: raymogi on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:16:30
Bunny strikes yet again.

He messaged me just now to check my email. Payment has been refunded, 6-8 days to clear.

glad you got a resolution albeit not the caps you wanted

PM your address now, and ill send you some bro caps gamer esc's tomorrow so you arent left without after this persons actions

This bro right here...

Binge · « **Reply #48 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:24:14 »

Quote from: BunnyLake on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:18:37

Quote from: raymogi on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:16:30
Bunny strikes yet again.

He messaged me just now to check my email. Payment has been refunded, 6-8 days to clear.

glad you got a resolution albeit not the caps you wanted

PM your address now, and ill send you some bro caps gamer esc's tomorrow so you arent left without after this persons actions

best guy

antwonemoose · « **Reply #49 on:** Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:25:33 »

bunnylake is so good of a guy. were alllucky to have him to save the day

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Author Topic: Bro Powderpuff Esc pt. 2 (Read 36205 times)