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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 12/08: updated novelty kit)
« Reply #250 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 03:22:40 »
GMK sets don't have foreign sublegends because the designers want to offer a keyset to that demographic (in this case towards Japanese), they have sublegends because people think they are cool. So the question is not "how much support do Japanese people give" but "how much support do keyboard people give".

I understand that. It was just something I've been wondering--an aside.
I'm sure people will support this set, regardless.
I just feel it would look better--cooler--while still presenting a Japanese theme without the sublegends.

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 18/08: updated base and novelty kit)
« Reply #251 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 03:54:09 »
EVen cooler with Hiragana only   :thumb: but most likely i‘m alone with this opinion

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 18/08: updated base and novelty kit)
« Reply #252 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 05:11:52 »
Please don‘t replace the green ISO enter with the accented one! :(

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 12/08: updated novelty kit)
« Reply #253 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 05:43:56 »
GMK sets don't have foreign sublegends because the designers want to offer a keyset to that demographic (in this case towards Japanese), they have sublegends because people think they are cool. So the question is not "how much support do Japanese people give" but "how much support do keyboard people give".

I understand that. It was just something I've been wondering--an aside.
I'm sure people will support this set, regardless.
I just feel it would look better--cooler--while still presenting a Japanese theme without the sublegends.

Like I said before...This one has hiragana sublegends because I think it looks good and balances the legends on the surface for GMK sets..
I think designing keysets is pretty important to stick with what you think it's cool, you don't want to run a set that you will regret in the future..
But I'm considering offer the latin alphas as a separated kit if there is enough demand for that.
Not my initial idea for this run, but I do listen...

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 12/08: updated novelty kit)
« Reply #254 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 05:46:22 »
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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 12/08: updated novelty kit)
« Reply #255 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 06:38:52 »
GMK sets don't have foreign sublegends because the designers want to offer a keyset to that demographic (in this case towards Japanese), they have sublegends because people think they are cool. So the question is not "how much support do Japanese people give" but "how much support do keyboard people give".

I understand that. It was just something I've been wondering--an aside.
I'm sure people will support this set, regardless.
I just feel it would look better--cooler--while still presenting a Japanese theme without the sublegends.

Like I said before...This one has hiragana sublegends because I think it looks good and balances the legends on the surface for GMK sets..
I think designing keysets is pretty important to stick with what you think it's cool, you don't want to run a set that you will regret in the future..
But I'm considering offer the latin alphas as a separated kit if there is enough demand for that.
Not my initial idea for this run, but I do listen...

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 18/08: updated base and novelty kit)
« Reply #256 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 08:00:46 »
GMK sets don't have foreign sublegends because the designers want to offer a keyset to that demographic (in this case towards Japanese), they have sublegends because people think they are cool. So the question is not "how much support do Japanese people give" but "how much support do keyboard people give".

I understand that. It was just something I've been wondering--an aside.
I'm sure people will support this set, regardless.
I just feel it would look better--cooler--while still presenting a Japanese theme without the sublegends.

Like I said before...This one has hiragana sublegends because I think it looks good and balances the legends on the surface for GMK sets..
I think designing keysets is pretty important to stick with what you think it's cool, you don't want to run a set that you will regret in the future..
But I'm considering offer the latin alphas as a separated kit if there is enough demand for that.
Not my initial idea for this run, but I do listen...
It’s your GB, but I still prefer it when a GB is not run by a committee and avoids straying from the designer’s original direction.
Remember, those of us who are happy with JP sublegends have no reason to speak out, so you’ve only been hearing from the upset crowd.

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 18/08: updated base and novelty kit)
« Reply #257 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 08:06:27 »
Please don‘t replace the green ISO enter with the accented one! :(

Ditto to this sentiment. This came up in the IC for the original GMK camping as well - ISO and numpad users are being forced to use the accent colors now that the normal mod colors have been removed for ISO and numpad return keys. The accents are great, but the set still looks fantastic without them. Please bring back the green ISO and numpad return.


I'd also like to say, I don't really care much about the idea of offering a separate kit for mono English alphas, as long as it doesn't change the base kit to allow people to buy the set without the hiragana legends. My knee-jerk reaction was to be a bit peeved since you said GMK Camping would never be offered again during the original IC, but after thinking about it a bit I really don't care. It's a popular set for a reason, and I think it would be wrong to begrudge people for wanting it. But at the very least they should be contributing towards hitting MOQ and reducing the price of the intended base kit.
« Last Edit: Mon, 19 August 2019, 08:22:43 by Laughmaster »

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 18/08: updated base and novelty kit)
« Reply #258 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 08:16:13 »
GMK sets don't have foreign sublegends because the designers want to offer a keyset to that demographic (in this case towards Japanese), they have sublegends because people think they are cool. So the question is not "how much support do Japanese people give" but "how much support do keyboard people give".

I understand that. It was just something I've been wondering--an aside.
I'm sure people will support this set, regardless.
I just feel it would look better--cooler--while still presenting a Japanese theme without the sublegends.

Like I said before...This one has hiragana sublegends because I think it looks good and balances the legends on the surface for GMK sets..
I think designing keysets is pretty important to stick with what you think it's cool, you don't want to run a set that you will regret in the future..
But I'm considering offer the latin alphas as a separated kit if there is enough demand for that.
Not my initial idea for this run, but I do listen...

I would buy in if there are Latin alphas offered.

Offline varzaman

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 18/08: updated base and novelty kit)
« Reply #259 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 08:18:12 »
GMK sets don't have foreign sublegends because the designers want to offer a keyset to that demographic (in this case towards Japanese), they have sublegends because people think they are cool. So the question is not "how much support do Japanese people give" but "how much support do keyboard people give".

I understand that. It was just something I've been wondering--an aside.
I'm sure people will support this set, regardless.
I just feel it would look better--cooler--while still presenting a Japanese theme without the sublegends.

Like I said before...This one has hiragana sublegends because I think it looks good and balances the legends on the surface for GMK sets..
I think designing keysets is pretty important to stick with what you think it's cool, you don't want to run a set that you will regret in the future..
But I'm considering offer the latin alphas as a separated kit if there is enough demand for that.
Not my initial idea for this run, but I do listen...
It’s your GB, but I still prefer it when a GB is not run by a committee and avoids straying from the designer’s original direction.
Remember, those of us who are happy with JP sublegends have no reason to speak out, so you’ve only been hearing from the upset crowd.

That is true, but if feedback is being asked, people will speak out their mind. So I wouldn't completely discount it either. Group buys usually aren't that massive either, so individual comments are more "powerful" if that makes any sense.

Either way, it is totally up to kingnestea, I wouldn't be upset if the direction goes in a different direction then I would want.

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 18/08: updated base and novelty kit)
« Reply #260 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 08:53:57 »
Please don‘t replace the green ISO enter with the accented one! :(

Ditto to this sentiment. This came up in the IC for the original GMK camping as well - ISO and numpad users are being forced to use the accent colors now that the normal mod colors have been removed for ISO and numpad return keys. The accents are great, but the set still looks fantastic without them. Please bring back the green ISO and numpad return.

good point - would prefer both ;)  if just one ... don‘t know if accent color or not

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 18/08: updated base and novelty kit)
« Reply #261 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 09:56:13 »
Please don‘t replace the green ISO enter with the accented one! :(

Ditto to this sentiment. This came up in the IC for the original GMK camping as well - ISO and numpad users are being forced to use the accent colors now that the normal mod colors have been removed for ISO and numpad return keys. The accents are great, but the set still looks fantastic without them. Please bring back the green ISO and numpad return.


I'd also like to say, I don't really care much about the idea of offering a separate kit for mono English alphas, as long as it doesn't change the base kit to allow people to buy the set without the hiragana legends. My knee-jerk reaction was to be a bit peeved since you said GMK Camping would never be offered again during the original IC, but after thinking about it a bit I really don't care. It's a popular set for a reason, and I think it would be wrong to begrudge people for wanting it. But at the very least they should be contributing towards hitting MOQ and reducing the price of the intended base kit.

I cut the green ISO enter and numpad enter in this revision because the pricing was a little bit higher than I have expected.
I'll see if this revision makes a decent reduce of the pricing for the base kit, if not, I'll consider adding the green enters back.
If I'm going to do a separated Latin alpha kit, it is not to impact the Hiragana base, as that's the initial purpose of this run.
Ppl who choose the Hiragana base can skip the Latin alphas, we'll drop the Latin alphas if it fails.

Offline Laughmaster

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 18/08: updated base and novelty kit)
« Reply #262 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 10:21:27 »
Please don‘t replace the green ISO enter with the accented one! :(

Ditto to this sentiment. This came up in the IC for the original GMK camping as well - ISO and numpad users are being forced to use the accent colors now that the normal mod colors have been removed for ISO and numpad return keys. The accents are great, but the set still looks fantastic without them. Please bring back the green ISO and numpad return.


I'd also like to say, I don't really care much about the idea of offering a separate kit for mono English alphas, as long as it doesn't change the base kit to allow people to buy the set without the hiragana legends. My knee-jerk reaction was to be a bit peeved since you said GMK Camping would never be offered again during the original IC, but after thinking about it a bit I really don't care. It's a popular set for a reason, and I think it would be wrong to begrudge people for wanting it. But at the very least they should be contributing towards hitting MOQ and reducing the price of the intended base kit.

I cut the green ISO enter and numpad enter in this revision because the pricing was a little bit higher than I have expected.
I'll see if this revision makes a decent reduce of the pricing for the base kit, if not, I'll consider adding the green enters back.
If I'm going to do a separated Latin alpha kit, it is not to impact the Hiragana base, as that's the initial purpose of this run.
Ppl who choose the Hiragana base can skip the Latin alphas, we'll drop the Latin alphas if it fails.

Thanks for the clarifications! One last little nitpick that I just noticed: The numpad enter says "Enter" rather than "Return" like the other ones.

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 18/08: updated base and novelty kit)
« Reply #263 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 10:48:58 »
Thanks for the clarifications! One last little nitpick that I just noticed: The numpad enter says "Enter" rather than "Return" like the other ones.

Return comes from Carriage Return (CR), the command to begin a new line (and the term stemming from typewriters where the Carriage would Return to the start of the line). While the Enter on the Numpad 'enters' whatever equation you just typed in. While they may do the same thing when you are in Notepad, system wise they have different tasks.

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 18/08: updated base and novelty kit)
« Reply #264 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 10:57:50 »
New render with M60-A


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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 18/08: updated base and novelty kit)
« Reply #265 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 12:37:47 »
Thanks for the clarifications! One last little nitpick that I just noticed: The numpad enter says "Enter" rather than "Return" like the other ones.

Return comes from Carriage Return (CR), the command to begin a new line (and the term stemming from typewriters where the Carriage would Return to the start of the line). While the Enter on the Numpad 'enters' whatever equation you just typed in. While they may do the same thing when you are in Notepad, system wise they have different tasks.

Not just that, but in older terminal keyboards, Return and Enter were different keys, a distinction that has largely been lost nowadays. Return would simply jump to a new line, while Enter would "complete" the input and tell the computer to execute the command that had just been given (which may, indeed, have been typed into one line or more). Nowadays, Enter does both, and if one wants to do an "enterless" Return, Shift-Enter is generally available in whatever text window the user is on at the moment (chat windows are the prime example of this).

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 18/08: updated base and novelty kit)
« Reply #266 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 12:54:17 »
Would buy Latin alphas. Would buy green or red ones too. Shoot your shot, I like these designs.

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 19/08: updated new renders)
« Reply #267 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 15:17:34 »
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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 19/08: updated new renders)
« Reply #268 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 15:41:25 »
done.

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 19/08: updated new renders)
« Reply #269 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 16:59:12 »
Thanks for the clarifications! One last little nitpick that I just noticed: The numpad enter says "Enter" rather than "Return" like the other ones.

Return comes from Carriage Return (CR), the command to begin a new line (and the term stemming from typewriters where the Carriage would Return to the start of the line). While the Enter on the Numpad 'enters' whatever equation you just typed in. While they may do the same thing when you are in Notepad, system wise they have different tasks.

Thanks for the clarifications! One last little nitpick that I just noticed: The numpad enter says "Enter" rather than "Return" like the other ones.

Return comes from Carriage Return (CR), the command to begin a new line (and the term stemming from typewriters where the Carriage would Return to the start of the line). While the Enter on the Numpad 'enters' whatever equation you just typed in. While they may do the same thing when you are in Notepad, system wise they have different tasks.

Not just that, but in older terminal keyboards, Return and Enter were different keys, a distinction that has largely been lost nowadays. Return would simply jump to a new line, while Enter would "complete" the input and tell the computer to execute the command that had just been given (which may, indeed, have been typed into one line or more). Nowadays, Enter does both, and if one wants to do an "enterless" Return, Shift-Enter is generally available in whatever text window the user is on at the moment (chat windows are the prime example of this).


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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 12/08: updated novelty kit)
« Reply #270 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 17:08:32 »
Camping was popular enough in both GMK & SA that I'm sure we'll see another round of one or the other sooner than later. So don't get to worked up about no mono legend alphas with this set guys!

except that this set only exists because the runner doesn't want to make an r2 because the owners of r1 will be sad

Oh did not know that, kinda depressing as I would love to see a Camping Rd.2 in GMK or SA. Although it still does not negate the fact this a seperate kit from Camping & the sub legends are crucial to the theme.

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 12/08: updated novelty kit)
« Reply #271 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 18:52:48 »
Like I said before...This one has hiragana sublegends because I think it looks good and balances the legends on the surface for GMK sets..
I think designing keysets is pretty important to stick with what you think it's cool, you don't want to run a set that you will regret in the future..
But I'm considering offer the latin alphas as a separated kit if there is enough demand for that.
Not my initial idea for this run, but I do listen...


I appreciate you considering it!
It is your design, you choice. 
If latin alphas are offered as extras, I'll be picking up a whole set with all the extras.
If they're not available, I'll still pick up all the extra kits and just wait for Camping R2.
Either way, you've got my money.

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 09/08 kit design rev.1 with novelty kit)
« Reply #272 on: Mon, 19 August 2019, 22:57:21 »
this is really cool. any chance of a regular white 6u space being included in the space kit? just so us 6u users can have a non-accented spacebar? :D

Seconding this because I think 6u is the play for the Volcano660 in forest green I'm getting
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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 19/08: updated new renders)
« Reply #273 on: Tue, 20 August 2019, 04:52:27 »
Very nice  :thumb:

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 19/08: updated new renders)
« Reply #274 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 00:34:25 »
in for base, this set would be awesome while reading futari solo camp manga.

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 19/08: updated new renders)
« Reply #275 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 03:42:08 »
Like I said before...This one has hiragana sublegends because I think it looks good and balances the legends on the surface for GMK sets..
I think designing keysets is pretty important to stick with what you think it's cool, you don't want to run a set that you will regret in the future..
But I'm considering offer the latin alphas as a separated kit if there is enough demand for that.
Not my initial idea for this run, but I do listen...

If a second alphas kit does get offered, I do suggest adding a second tab for the second alphas kit. This way the extra mods and the unused alphas can be used for a second board without having them sit in the tray. If not then I don't feel like a second tab is needed, but I just don't want so many keys to be unused if a second alphas kit does get added.

Drew a picture to try to illustrate it.


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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 19/08: updated new renders)
« Reply #276 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 04:41:22 »
If a second alphas kit does get offered, I do suggest adding a second tab for the second alphas kit. This way the extra mods and the unused alphas can be used for a second board without having them sit in the tray. If not then I don't feel like a second tab is needed, but I just don't want so many keys to be unused if a second alphas kit does get added.

For that matter, add a second Home by the Sea key and with it plus an extra set of arrows, that 60% could be made into a 65% as well.

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 19/08: updated new renders)
« Reply #277 on: Wed, 21 August 2019, 04:51:21 »
If a second alphas kit does get offered, I do suggest adding a second tab for the second alphas kit. This way the extra mods and the unused alphas can be used for a second board without having them sit in the tray. If not then I don't feel like a second tab is needed, but I just don't want so many keys to be unused if a second alphas kit does get added.

For that matter, add a second Home by the Sea key and with it plus an extra set of arrows, that 60% could be made into a 65% as well.

tkl and numpad mods too pls k thx
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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 19/08: updated new renders)
« Reply #278 on: Thu, 22 August 2019, 02:28:25 »
Like I said before...This one has hiragana sublegends because I think it looks good and balances the legends on the surface for GMK sets..
I think designing keysets is pretty important to stick with what you think it's cool, you don't want to run a set that you will regret in the future..
But I'm considering offer the latin alphas as a separated kit if there is enough demand for that.
Not my initial idea for this run, but I do listen...

If a second alphas kit does get offered, I do suggest adding a second tab for the second alphas kit. This way the extra mods and the unused alphas can be used for a second board without having them sit in the tray. If not then I don't feel like a second tab is needed, but I just don't want so many keys to be unused if a second alphas kit does get added.

Drew a picture to try to illustrate it.
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This is a great idea, thanks a ton

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 19/08: updated new renders)
« Reply #279 on: Fri, 23 August 2019, 05:28:58 »
Really like the novelties and love the japanese sublegends - please keep them in ! :thumb: <3
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Re: [IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 12/08: updated novelty kit)
« Reply #280 on: Fri, 23 August 2019, 06:51:43 »
But I'm considering offer the latin alphas as a separated kit if there is enough demand for that.
Not my initial idea for this run, but I do listen...

Tossing in support for some latin alphas, hiragana sublegends is a no go.

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Update 23/08/2019: Kit design rev. 3





« Last Edit: Sat, 24 August 2019, 05:32:33 by kingnestea »

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Bravo. Looks great.

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100% IN for multiple of all kits. KingNestea is the king. SO looking forward to this.

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I think I'm in for two latin kits (one for my Camping R1), base, spacebar kit, and maybe multiple novelties and communities. Really looking forward to this one now.


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A Hiragana kit and latin alphas in the main base kit would make more sense in my opinion. This way camping r1 owners can own both alphas without having to buy the whole base kit. I also think more people prefer the latin to hiragana.  :thumb:

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I don’t think you need the spacebar in the Latin alphas but other than that looks great! Really looking forward to the GB :)
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I don’t think you need the spacebar in the Latin alphas but other than that looks great! Really looking forward to the GB :)

shh, it's a Latin spacebar

Offline nguyenhimself

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[IC]GMK Camping in Japan (update 23/08: kit design rev 3 with Latin alpha kit)
« Reply #288 on: Fri, 23 August 2019, 20:43:24 »
A Hiragana kit and latin alphas in the main base kit would make more sense in my opinion. This way camping r1 owners can own both alphas without having to buy the whole base kit. I also think more people prefer the latin to hiragana.  :thumb:
You guys just won the battle convincing kingnestea to include a latin alpha kit.
Don’t be greedy now.
« Last Edit: Fri, 23 August 2019, 21:01:14 by nguyenhimself »

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I don’t think you need the spacebar in the Latin alphas but other than that looks great! Really looking forward to the GB :)

You do if you want to use the alphas with mods from another set. Granted, your layout options will be limited.


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thank heck the Latin alphas were added. in on it now

Offline hammerbrotha

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Definitely in for this. Camping is a set I missed out the first time, now with Latin alphas i'm probably in for both the base + latin.
Thanks!

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I don’t think you need the spacebar in the Latin alphas but other than that looks great! Really looking forward to the GB :)

You do if you want to use the alphas with mods from another set. Granted, your layout options will be limited.

Valid point. Either way, it should be 6.25/7u both included or neither, seems silly just to provide one. 

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Offline ST999

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Thank you so much kingnesta for adding a latin alpha kit! I’ll be picking up all kits now.

Offline kingnestea

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I don’t think you need the spacebar in the Latin alphas but other than that looks great! Really looking forward to the GB :)

You do if you want to use the alphas with mods from another set. Granted, your layout options will be limited.

Valid point. Either way, it should be 6.25/7u both included or neither, seems silly just to provide one.

I agree, removed the spacebar in Latin alphas kit

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Update 23/08/2019: Kit design rev. 3

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Thank you for listening to the feedback and reconsidering a point you were somewhat set on initially.
Count me in.

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kits look awesome and super happy you kept japanese sublegends in the core kit! <3 looks awesome!

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Asking for kobe kit will probably be too much  :cool:.?

Offline kingnestea

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Re: [IC]GMK Camping r2 (update 23/08: kit design rev 3 with Latin alpha kit)
« Reply #298 on: Sat, 24 August 2019, 13:08:51 »
Since Latin alphas will be provided, I'm renaming this to Camping r2 which is more logical and to avoid confusions in the future.

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Asking for kobe kit will probably be too much  :cool:.?

Please... :(