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Offline Sergeant_Shart

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2100 on: Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:04:54 »
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 11 April 2015, 14:11:08
Quote from: LechnerDE on Sat, 11 April 2015, 01:22:39
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 10 April 2015, 19:13:19
Yes I will make another round after I have finished with delivery on this one.

Are you talking about another dyesub GB in general or about this exact set with another keycap supplier?

You are not really known for doing the same thing twice  :p

Same thing more or less. Different vendor though, not interested in waiting a year again  :rolleyes:

Consider having the blanks shipped out first next round. Also, I don't think PLUM is really to blame here, these caps have been with IMSTO for months.
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Offline HPE1000

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2101 on: Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:05:59 »
Quote from: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:04:54
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 11 April 2015, 14:11:08
Quote from: LechnerDE on Sat, 11 April 2015, 01:22:39
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 10 April 2015, 19:13:19
Yes I will make another round after I have finished with delivery on this one.

Are you talking about another dyesub GB in general or about this exact set with another keycap supplier?

You are not really known for doing the same thing twice  :p

Same thing more or less. Different vendor though, not interested in waiting a year again  :rolleyes:

Consider having the blanks shipped out first next round. Also, I don't think PLUM is really to blame here, these caps have been with IMSTO for months.
Thank you for your input
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Offline Sergeant_Shart

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2102 on: Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:12:32 »
Quote from: HPE1000 on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:05:59
Quote from: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:04:54
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 11 April 2015, 14:11:08
Quote from: LechnerDE on Sat, 11 April 2015, 01:22:39
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 10 April 2015, 19:13:19
Yes I will make another round after I have finished with delivery on this one.

Are you talking about another dyesub GB in general or about this exact set with another keycap supplier?

You are not really known for doing the same thing twice  :p

Same thing more or less. Different vendor though, not interested in waiting a year again  :rolleyes:

Consider having the blanks shipped out first next round. Also, I don't think PLUM is really to blame here, these caps have been with IMSTO for months.
Thank you for your input

You're welcome.
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Offline tbc

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2103 on: Mon, 13 April 2015, 13:39:20 »
Quote from: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:12:32
Quote from: HPE1000 on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:05:59
Quote from: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:04:54
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 11 April 2015, 14:11:08
Quote from: LechnerDE on Sat, 11 April 2015, 01:22:39
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 10 April 2015, 19:13:19
Yes I will make another round after I have finished with delivery on this one.

Are you talking about another dyesub GB in general or about this exact set with another keycap supplier?

You are not really known for doing the same thing twice  :p

Same thing more or less. Different vendor though, not interested in waiting a year again  :rolleyes:

Consider having the blanks shipped out first next round. Also, I don't think PLUM is really to blame here, these caps have been with IMSTO for months.
Thank you for your input

You're welcome.

thank you for your input
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Offline Sergeant_Shart

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2104 on: Mon, 13 April 2015, 19:10:37 »
Quote from: tbc on Mon, 13 April 2015, 13:39:20
Quote from: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:12:32
Quote from: HPE1000 on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:05:59
Quote from: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:04:54
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 11 April 2015, 14:11:08
Quote from: LechnerDE on Sat, 11 April 2015, 01:22:39
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 10 April 2015, 19:13:19
Yes I will make another round after I have finished with delivery on this one.

Are you talking about another dyesub GB in general or about this exact set with another keycap supplier?

You are not really known for doing the same thing twice  :p

Same thing more or less. Different vendor though, not interested in waiting a year again  :rolleyes:

Consider having the blanks shipped out first next round. Also, I don't think PLUM is really to blame here, these caps have been with IMSTO for months.
Thank you for your input

You're welcome.

thank you for your input

You're welcome.
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Offline RedRoboHood

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2105 on: Mon, 13 April 2015, 20:13:11 »
Quote from: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 13 April 2015, 19:10:37
Quote from: tbc on Mon, 13 April 2015, 13:39:20
Quote from: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:12:32
Quote from: HPE1000 on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:05:59
Quote from: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:04:54
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 11 April 2015, 14:11:08
Quote from: LechnerDE on Sat, 11 April 2015, 01:22:39
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 10 April 2015, 19:13:19
Yes I will make another round after I have finished with delivery on this one.

Are you talking about another dyesub GB in general or about this exact set with another keycap supplier?

You are not really known for doing the same thing twice  :p

Same thing more or less. Different vendor though, not interested in waiting a year again  :rolleyes:

Consider having the blanks shipped out first next round. Also, I don't think PLUM is really to blame here, these caps have been with IMSTO for months.
Thank you for your input

You're welcome.

thank you for your input

You're welcome.

Thank you for your input.

More
:))
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Offline badboybry9000

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2106 on: Tue, 14 April 2015, 09:25:43 »
Wow. This thread has gone a bit bonkers as this group buy is winding down and we're all just waiting for shipping to happen.
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Offline Sergeant_Shart

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2107 on: Tue, 14 April 2015, 10:41:26 »
Quote from: RedRoboHood on Mon, 13 April 2015, 20:13:11
Quote from: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 13 April 2015, 19:10:37
Quote from: tbc on Mon, 13 April 2015, 13:39:20
Quote from: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:12:32
Quote from: HPE1000 on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:05:59
Quote from: Sergeant_Shart on Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:04:54
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 11 April 2015, 14:11:08
Quote from: LechnerDE on Sat, 11 April 2015, 01:22:39
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 10 April 2015, 19:13:19
Yes I will make another round after I have finished with delivery on this one.

Are you talking about another dyesub GB in general or about this exact set with another keycap supplier?

You are not really known for doing the same thing twice  :p

Same thing more or less. Different vendor though, not interested in waiting a year again  :rolleyes:

Consider having the blanks shipped out first next round. Also, I don't think PLUM is really to blame here, these caps have been with IMSTO for months.
Thank you for your input

You're welcome.

thank you for your input

You're welcome.

Thank you for your input.

More
:))

you'RE WELcome
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Offline Keytrun

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2108 on: Tue, 14 April 2015, 21:08:15 »
So what's going on with these atm? I sold my set a while ago. Is there really no other place to get cherry profile thick black PBT caps?
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Offline FreeCopy

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2109 on: Tue, 14 April 2015, 21:27:05 »
Quote from: Keytrun on Tue, 14 April 2015, 21:08:15
So what's going on with these atm? I sold my set a while ago. Is there really no other place to get cherry profile thick black PBT caps?



Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 08 April 2015, 14:18:26
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Got word that they are preparing the shipment, so it should be on it's way to me in the next week or so.

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Offline j0hnny

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2110 on: Wed, 15 April 2015, 11:30:14 »
Quote from: Keytrun on Tue, 14 April 2015, 21:08:15
So what's going on with these atm? I sold my set a while ago. Is there really no other place to get cherry profile thick black PBT caps?

We are thanking sergeant shart for his input.
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Offline Sergeant_Shart

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2111 on: Wed, 15 April 2015, 15:23:01 »
Quote from: j0hnny on Wed, 15 April 2015, 11:30:14
Quote from: Keytrun on Tue, 14 April 2015, 21:08:15
So what's going on with these atm? I sold my set a while ago. Is there really no other place to get cherry profile thick black PBT caps?

We are thanking sergeant shart for his input.

You're welcome.
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Offline jalthi

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2112 on: Wed, 15 April 2015, 19:41:43 »
Quote from: j0hnny on Wed, 15 April 2015, 11:30:14
We are thanking sergeant shart for his input.

Credit where credit is due - let's be honest - this groupbuy would never have happened if it weren't for Shart's encouragement.
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Offline RedRoboHood

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2113 on: Wed, 15 April 2015, 20:30:28 »
Quote from: jalthi on Wed, 15 April 2015, 19:41:43
Credit where credit is due - let's be honest - this groupbuy would never have happened if it weren't for Shart's encouragement.

Yep, always there to help everyone look at the bright side of things. I can't imagine how dark and negatively connotated this thread would be without him. :thumb:
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Offline HalfSharkAlligator

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2114 on: Wed, 15 April 2015, 20:50:17 »
All of this banter is great and all, but some of us use email notifications to get useful updates as we have busy lives and can't be on GH refreshing threads all day.  All the pointless back and forth is not really contributing at this point and is just blowing up people's inboxes with unnecessary notifications.   :(
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Offline taylordcraig

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2115 on: Wed, 15 April 2015, 20:54:00 »
Quote from: HalfSharkAlligator on Wed, 15 April 2015, 20:50:17
All of this banter is great and all, but some of us use email notifications to get useful updates as we have busy lives and can't be on GH refreshing threads all day.  All the pointless back and forth is not really contributing at this point and is just blowing up people's inboxes with unnecessary notifications.   :(

Agreed.
Let's agree all of your input is pointless as of here on out and keep your keyboard warrioring to other threads.
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Offline KatzenKinder

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2116 on: Wed, 15 April 2015, 21:05:17 »
Quote from: Keytrun on Tue, 14 April 2015, 21:08:15
So what's going on with these atm? I sold my set a while ago. Is there really no other place to get cherry profile thick black PBT caps?

I believe Feng has some sets available at his geekkeys website.
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Offline jalthi

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2117 on: Wed, 15 April 2015, 21:14:35 »
Quote from: taylordcraig on Wed, 15 April 2015, 20:54:00
Agreed.
Let's agree all of your input is pointless as of here on out and keep your keyboard warrioring to other threads.

Hey, at least you're not being rude and condescending about the whole thing.  There's 70+ pages on a groupbuy that's taken over a year and it's finally winding down -  everyone is in good spirits, even Sgt. Shart (I think that's good spirits).  Let's take a second to be civil to address concerns we may have.

edit: Unless of course you're telling the guy before you to stfu, in which case I retract my previous statement. 
« Last Edit: Wed, 15 April 2015, 21:57:47 by jalthi »
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Offline IvanIvanovich

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2118 on: Wed, 15 April 2015, 21:15:57 »
Shipping to me now.
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2119 on: Wed, 15 April 2015, 21:17:06 »
I'm not in this buy, but that's awesome news.  I know how this has been outside your ability to do anything for some time, it's great to see it's in the final stages.
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Offline strict

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2120 on: Wed, 15 April 2015, 22:52:48 »
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Offline Sergeant_Shart

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2121 on: Thu, 16 April 2015, 07:42:54 »
Quote from: HalfSharkAlligator on Wed, 15 April 2015, 20:50:17
All of this banter is great and all, but some of us use email notifications to get useful updates as we have busy lives and can't be on GH refreshing threads all day.  All the pointless back and forth is not really contributing at this point and is just blowing up people's inboxes with unnecessary notifications.   :(

Oh muffin, I had no idea I was impacting your life so heavily, here I'll stop.

Let's be honest here for a second, nothing in this thread has been worth talking about sing First Quarter last year.
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Offline Latin00032

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2122 on: Thu, 16 April 2015, 07:58:00 »
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 15 April 2015, 21:15:57
Shipping to me now.
Yay!

Can you post some pics when you get them?

I'd love to see some pics with the set on a korean board with the 7x spacebar and 1.5 mods.
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Offline Sed8op8

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2123 on: Thu, 16 April 2015, 08:16:18 »
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 15 April 2015, 21:15:57
Shipping to me now.
Ivan This is great news thank you for sticking through this GB even though it seems like its been a roller coaster ride! If that pic that was posted is an actual shot of these caps then it looks like they came out great  :thumb:
« Last Edit: Thu, 16 April 2015, 13:07:51 by Sed8op8 »
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2124 on: Thu, 16 April 2015, 12:55:40 »
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Offline IvanIvanovich

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2125 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 20:24:07 »
After a very long wait, the sets have finally arrived!
I'll begin packing up and sending orders out tomorrow.

98213-0
« Last Edit: Wed, 22 April 2015, 20:26:24 by IvanIvanovich »
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Offline rainb1ood

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2126 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 20:27:08 »
That is great news! 1 year 5 months 8 days is worth the wait!
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Offline strict

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2127 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 20:40:00 »
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 22 April 2015, 20:24:07
After a very long wait, the sets have finally arrived!
I'll begin packing up and sending orders out tomorrow.

(Attachment Link)

I love your trippy couch :)
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2128 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 20:41:26 »
Quote from: strict on Wed, 22 April 2015, 20:40:00
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 22 April 2015, 20:24:07
After a very long wait, the sets have finally arrived!
I'll begin packing up and sending orders out tomorrow.

(Attachment Link)

I love your trippy couch :)

I love the cat on the boxes :)

Thanks Ivan for everything, and I eagerly await getting these in the mail!
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2129 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 20:46:23 »
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 22 April 2015, 20:24:07
After a very long wait, the sets have finally arrived!
I'll begin packing up and sending orders out tomorrow.

(Attachment Link)
I love yur guard cat!! After everyone waiting so long your making sure those caps are protected  :)) this is so exciting Ivan  :thumb:
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2130 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 21:09:59 »
Yay! I can't wait :D
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Offline Cottonsox

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2131 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 21:11:44 »
Good news! Looking forward to these.
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Offline tbc

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2132 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 21:13:10 »
yeeeeeeee

i wonder what pattern the shipments are going out in
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2133 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 21:19:43 »
Quote from: tbc on Wed, 22 April 2015, 21:13:10
yeeeeeeee

i wonder what pattern the shipments are going out in

Everyone, and then 2 weeks later Sergeant_Shart.
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2134 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 21:33:43 »
Quote from: zippox on Wed, 22 April 2015, 21:19:43
Quote from: tbc on Wed, 22 April 2015, 21:13:10
yeeeeeeee

i wonder what pattern the shipments are going out in

Everyone, and then 2 weeks later Sergeant_Shart.

sounds right!  his homemade whine is better aged.
« Last Edit: Wed, 22 April 2015, 21:41:18 by tbc »
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2135 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 21:40:40 »
Really excited to get these in so I can have them on my board. Thanks again for this buy!
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2136 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 00:43:23 »
Can't remember being this excited over some pictures of cardboard boxes. Looking forward to seeing these in person. It's been awhile but it's almost done. Great looking cat, too.

Thank you, Ivan!
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2137 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 01:12:47 »
Meaning has returned to my life...
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2138 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 03:18:52 »
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 22 April 2015, 20:24:07
After a very long wait, the sets have finally arrived!
I'll begin packing up and sending orders out tomorrow.

(Attachment Link)

Holy baloney! That's awesome news!
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2139 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 03:30:15 »
The wait is almost over!
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Offline Yslen

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2140 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 03:30:33 »
Who ordered the cat? Was that an extra or do we all get one?
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2141 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 06:38:08 »
Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 22 April 2015, 20:24:07
After a very long wait, the sets have finally arrived!
I'll begin packing up and sending orders out tomorrow.

(Attachment Link)
Any pictures of it on a board we can see before you send them out or during the mailing process?
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Offline spookymikal

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2142 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 08:09:16 »
What part of the world is Ivan mailing them from?
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Offline rainb1ood

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2143 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 08:25:13 »
Amerika
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Offline j0hnny

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2144 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:42:06 »
this group buy is the reason i joined GH.

and this will now go on my poker iii now, how times have changed.
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2145 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 10:54:58 »
:)

MOAR PICS, MOAR BOOST!!!
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Offline IvanIvanovich

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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2146 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 11:52:12 »
I will be sending out in order of number of sets ordered, more sets first so I can put the biggest dent in this right away.
Since the only digital camera I have is the really awful one in my phone, I don't think I will be able to provide any decent photos of these. With the low contrast it's pretty much impossible to capture it on that thing so I will leave it up to those that get them first to provide some nice photos while the rest are waiting.
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2147 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 12:05:00 »
I can take some pretty pictures  ;)
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2148 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 13:54:40 »
Waiting for blank white thick PBT now... Ivan, ever thought of doing a "model M' like version where everything is in Cherry Row E high profile?
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Re: PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (production)
« Reply #2149 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 15:39:12 »
Quote from: berserkfan on Thu, 23 April 2015, 13:54:40
Waiting for blank white thick PBT now...

Yeah I really need a thick white Cherry profile blank pbt set. My GON project can't be finished until I find one.
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