Where are you guys getting these? Are you using a proxy? Do tell for us laypersons!
does it come with ABS or PBT keycaps?
I got one of these today from the esteemed Mr. Boost. I'm liking it a lot so far. It doesn't have that awesome HHKB sound, but it feels really nice. I have remapped Insert/Del to PgUp/PgDown for now. Might end up with Home/End instead.Hope you post a review being a Realforce & HHKB owner. Your thoughts would be most welcome for would be Topre buyers.
Just got mine tonight. I'm going to use it for work for the next 3 days and post my thoughts here.
For those that already have the 660C keyboard, can you try and swap the Realforce Topre Keycaps with it to see if they are truly compatible?
Just curious to know. If they are, then fun times ahead swapping them out for some dye-subbed Colour Caps ;) .
Just having arrow keys alone makes it a winner, but the fact that FN+arrows gives you pgup/pgdn/home/end is the nail in the HHKB coffin in my opinion.
For anybody who uses Windows, and has ever wanted to get a HHKB but was put off by the layout, get this board. It's almost 1/3 cheaper than the HHKB, and has a completely usable layout for the Windows user. I was initially worried about the choice of ins/del for the two off-keys, but having the arrows double as the rest of the six-pack makes up for it. All those keys are easily accessible in a surprisingly intuitive layout.
Wait, the arrows also double as pgup/pgdn/home/end? I assume up/down being home/end, and left/right being the page keys? If so, that's ****ing awesome. That's way more intuitive than having them baked into the letter keys.
Wait, the arrows also double as pgup/pgdn/home/end? I assume up/down being home/end, and left/right being the page keys? If so, that's ****ing awesome. That's way more intuitive than having them baked into the letter keys.
The opposite actually: fn+left/right is home/end, and fn+up/dn is pgup/pgdn
Makes more sense if you think about cursor movements.
What is this video???
Please Don't Squeeze the Leo's! they can get creaky about that!What is this video???
Testing the FC660C's squeezeability. Obviously.. :p
Please Don't Squeeze the Leo's! they can get creaky about that!
Exploring hackerability
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Controller is on a daughter board. Easy to replace.
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This is the connector, let's see if I can find a replacement.
Does anyone think they'll release this thing in gray and/or white? I wouldn't even mind black with blanks, but the keycap printing looks so bad :(
Does anyone think they'll release this thing in gray and/or white? I wouldn't even mind black with blanks, but the keycap printing looks so bad :(
I'm with this guy. I have a white RF, and would love to keep the Topre collection white.
I just noticed my 660c has a capacitance? equation. kewl.Show Image(http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu23/calaveratf/keyboards/IMG_20130504_180128_zps0b086de6.jpg~original)
Curious why they did this. Anyone know?
Can someone give a detailed description of keyfeel....the 660c vs the HHKB? Por favor.
Does anyone think they'll release this thing in gray and/or white? I wouldn't even mind black with blanks, but the keycap printing looks so bad :(
I'm with this guy. I have a white RF, and would love to keep the Topre collection white.
"guy" :rolleyes:
I think elitekeyboards said that there was a check box for white/grey option on the box so it's very possible.
I just got mine today as well, does anyone feel that the insert key produces a slightly different sound/feel?
Is that gold or silver legends? Are the keys actually black or grey?
Gold legends, black keys.
Is that gold or silver legends? Are the keys actually black or grey?Gold legends, black keys.
It's actually brownish/tan legends, and dark grey keys.
So you still dislike them, but just less. They won't have one with black legends on dark grey. Just wait for the blanks to come out, I think you like blanks more anyways. There will be white ones later, but given Leopold's history, it'll be more like beige.
So you still dislike them, but just less. They won't have one with black legends on dark grey. Just wait for the blanks to come out, I think you like blanks more anyways. There will be white ones later, but given Leopold's history, it'll be more like beige.WFD I hope you have time to do one of your video reviews on this keyboard. Thanks, MJ
The lack of indepth reviews existing on this new topre market entrant makes me a sad Nicholas Cage.
Well, this is my first time using topre and it definitley is a unique and excellent experience. However, I can see why most people prefer the 55g weighted over 45g.55g w/ blank caps and I'd be all over this ... although one of the two would be enough for me to jump on this.
I think they were having issues with key caps printing with whites.
They did plan on releasing a white version this month or the next. No guarantee though. I think they were having issues with key caps printing with whites.
Here's a nice typing video...
I've been deliberating picking up an FC660C for the past few days and decided I'm going to wait until I can afford an HHKB as my first Topre board.
Anyways, there's one FC660C left at EK, and I need it to stop staring at me, so GOGOGOGO!
How do you know there's only one left? You can add 1000 to your cart!
Add a million to your cart, and pretend to check out. Duh.
Hopefully they can restock with different FC660C choice in June.
According to someone, I forget who, there were check boxes for a white version on the box, which is a good thing because that's the one I want.
Brian from EK said that I think.. Anyone like black caps on white body? I'll to a trade ;D
What kind of variations are they coming up with? I hope they make some different keycap sets for this, like with the RF.
What kind of variations are they coming up with? I hope they make some different keycap sets for this, like with the RF.
Grey or "white" color cases. Caps are Korean, Enlglish, or blanks. I'm not sure if all combinations will be possible.
I've been deliberating picking up an FC660C for the past few days and decided I'm going to wait until I can afford an HHKB as my first Topre board.Its the best way to get your 1st Topre! I bought mine in Feb. before I knew about the F660C but I have no regrets. The new Leopold is nice but the HHKB is the 60% that sets the standard IMHO. If I need more keys I'll go with a RF 87u 55g, the F660C keys are not as nice and upgrading would put it at the same price range, when and if they become available.
Anyways, there's one FC660C left at EK, and I need it to stop staring at me, so GOGOGOGO!
Brian from EK said that I think.. Anyone like black caps on white body? I'll to a trade ;D
Here's my typing video, if anybody's interested. Not quite as intense as the one above (just a quick TypeRacer practice run).
Brian from EK said that I think.. Anyone like black caps on white body? I'll to a trade ;D
When the white version comes out, you got yourself a deal!
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The Thockness is strong with this keyboard.Aren't all topre boards with plates like that? :)
The Thockness is strong with this keyboard.Aren't all topre boards with plates like that? :)
The Thockness is strong with this keyboard.Aren't all topre boards with plates like that? :)
HHKB is PCB mounted.
The Thockness is strong with this keyboard.
HHKB's 'thock' more than RF's.
It's true. However, this FC660C also thocks quite hard. Almost as much as a HHKB, and much more than a RealForce.
What i'm telling you is that I have several realforces and some are lasered, not dyed and they do sound different than the regular dye sub keycaps realforce. So I assumed that there is a direct correlation between the printing and the sound.
I havn't even touched a cherry keyboard since i got this lmao.That's what happened when I got my HHKB... then it had to go because I was having BSOD problems (corrupt chipset drivers I think, so it wasn't the keyboard). I eventually sold it. I am afraid my FC660C is going to swing me away from Cherry again.
The Thockness is strong with this keyboard.
The Thockness Monster!
Still haven't swapped this keyboard out since I received it...
Nice review. I could almost use this board if it wasn't for needing Home+End all the time.
Nice review. I could almost use this board if it wasn't for needing Home+End all the time.
Fn+Left and Fn+Right, easy and intuitive
What do you mean by swap out?haven't used any of my other umpteen boards :p
What do you mean by swap out?haven't used any of my other umpteen boards :p
Ordered a 55g 87U to do a dome swap :)) This is gonna be epic.
Ordered a 55g 87U to do a dome swap :)) This is gonna be epic.
You might as well use the dye sub pbt goodness from the RF, the alpha keys at least :)
Or you gonna dome swap and throw it on classified?
The extra weight on the spacebar comes from a spring that you can remove. I put it on my backspace.
The extra weight on the spacebar comes from a spring that you can remove. I put it on my backspace.
Thanks...I took it off and that solved that annoyance.
Not being overly familiar with Topre (only just got a HHKB), and thinking about getting a FC660C at some stage (if the white ones come out), is there much involved in removing said spring?
Not being overly familiar with Topre (only just got a HHKB), and thinking about getting a FC660C at some stage (if the white ones come out), is there much involved in removing said spring?
Nah man, you literally pop off the spacebar and it's just a loose spring sitting over the switch stem :P high-tech!
Not being overly familiar with Topre (only just got a HHKB), and thinking about getting a FC660C at some stage (if the white ones come out), is there much involved in removing said spring?
Nah man, you literally pop off the spacebar and it's just a loose spring sitting over the switch stem :P high-tech!
As simple as that? I was expecting a bit more lol
Nice review. I could almost use this board if it wasn't for needing Home+End all the time.
Fn+Left and Fn+Right, easy and intuitive
The extra weight on the spacebar comes from a spring that you can remove. I put it on my backspace.
Fn+Left and Fn+Right, easy and intuitive
Usually I'm doing Shift+Home etc. so using FN would add yet another layer.
Yeah, me too. I still found it super easy to just use my thumb to hit Fn and my fingers to hit left/right.
Yeah, me too. I still found it super easy to just use my thumb to hit Fn and my fingers to hit left/right.
I'm still unsure how I would do a Ctrl+tilde. Is there a way to swap default esc and tilde so I wouldn't have to use 3 keys?
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If you have any questions please feel free to ask in thread. It's past my bed time so I'll answer tomorrow. Peace out.
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If you have any questions please feel free to ask in thread. It's past my bed time so I'll answer tomorrow. Peace out.
Thanks for the review. I have a FC660C on backorder from EK. It should arrive by the end of the month. Already I know I will want to replace the keycaps, or at least the alphas. Two questions:
1. Where can I get Topre keycaps in white/light gray to fit the FC660C? Even if the caps for the 87u fit, EK is out of stock. However, they do have HHKB Pro 2 keycaps -- would these work?
2. I might leave the spacebar as is because it is an odd size that is difficult to find. If I left the spacebar and perhaps the modifiers, would there be too much of a profile mismatch between the new keys and the stock ones?
BTW, I have just received the FC660M. Keycaps for this Cherry model should be easier to find, but again there would be a profile mismatch if I kept some of the original keycaps. The spacebar might be the most difficult one to replace.
Thanks for any suggestions on this.
I'm still waiting for a white one, but as my non-existend IT budget has been depleted, I am unlikely to be able to get one if a few white ones suddenly appear.
I'm still waiting for a white one, but as my non-existend IT budget has been depleted, I am unlikely to be able to get one if a few white ones suddenly appear.
I am in the same boat as you when it comes to a white one but I caved because I wanted to try a small form factor Topre for my new work. If a white one comes out, I'll just sell this one and pay a lil' more for the white one :D This is all assuming I end up liking Topre :))
I'm still waiting for a white one, but as my non-existend IT budget has been depleted, I am unlikely to be able to get one if a few white ones suddenly appear.
I am in the same boat as you when it comes to a white one but I caved because I wanted to try a small form factor Topre for my new work. If a white one comes out, I'll just sell this one and pay a lil' more for the white one :D This is all assuming I end up liking Topre :))
I caved in and got HHKB Pro 2 ;)
I would have bought the FC660C in white in a heartbeat if it had been available at the time.
I'm still waiting for a white one, but as my non-existend IT budget has been depleted, I am unlikely to be able to get one if a few white ones suddenly appear.
I am in the same boat as you when it comes to a white one but I caved because I wanted to try a small form factor Topre for my new work. If a white one comes out, I'll just sell this one and pay a lil' more for the white one :D This is all assuming I end up liking Topre :))
I caved in and got HHKB Pro 2 ;)
I would have bought the FC660C in white in a heartbeat if it had been available at the time.
Ooo HKKB Pro 2. I want to try that baby in the future just so I can have a comparison. I'm actually attempting to look for a set of White RF key caps so I can put them on the 660C. We all know how that's going :))
I'm still waiting for a white one, but as my non-existend IT budget has been depleted, I am unlikely to be able to get one if a few white ones suddenly appear.
I am in the same boat as you when it comes to a white one but I caved because I wanted to try a small form factor Topre for my new work. If a white one comes out, I'll just sell this one and pay a lil' more for the white one :D This is all assuming I end up liking Topre :))
I caved in and got HHKB Pro 2 ;)
I would have bought the FC660C in white in a heartbeat if it had been available at the time.
Ooo HKKB Pro 2. I want to try that baby in the future just so I can have a comparison. I'm actually attempting to look for a set of White RF key caps so I can put them on the 660C. We all know how that's going :))
Will the keycaps from the RF 87u work for the Leopold FC660C? What about the spacebar? If the keycaps fit, then the only other problem is getting an extra left shift to use as the right shift keycap.
Yikes! That still leaves quite a few keycaps to replace. It seems that one of the the main issues with both the FC660M and the FC660C is finding replacement keycaps. In particular, with respect to its Cherry-switch boards, Leopold makes it difficult by adhering to a different standard for the spacing of the mounting stems from the more commonly used standard found in boards made by Filco, CoolerMaster, and others.I'm still waiting for a white one, but as my non-existend IT budget has been depleted, I am unlikely to be able to get one if a few white ones suddenly appear.
I am in the same boat as you when it comes to a white one but I caved because I wanted to try a small form factor Topre for my new work. If a white one comes out, I'll just sell this one and pay a lil' more for the white one :D This is all assuming I end up liking Topre :))
I caved in and got HHKB Pro 2 ;)
I would have bought the FC660C in white in a heartbeat if it had been available at the time.
Ooo HKKB Pro 2. I want to try that baby in the future just so I can have a comparison. I'm actually attempting to look for a set of White RF key caps so I can put them on the 660C. We all know how that's going :))
Will the keycaps from the RF 87u work for the Leopold FC660C? What about the spacebar? If the keycaps fit, then the only other problem is getting an extra left shift to use as the right shift keycap.
I believe all the keycaps fit except for the entire bottom row of the 660C (alt, ctrl, windows, fn, spacebar), and the right Shift key.
Still have yet to revert to a Cherry keyboard since I bought this some 3+ months ago...
I'm thinking of picking one of these up and was wondering if the topre switches were quiet enough to use in a library or some other quiet area. I'm only familiar with Cherry browns (leopold tenkeyless). Thanks.
Still have yet to revert to a Cherry keyboard since I bought this some 3+ months ago...
My spacebar has a shine already. I assume it's ABS and not PBT like the other keys? (Like HHKB)
I am sort of disappointed because the keycaps for letters are already fading. I can barely see the C, N, M, K, D, S and L keys. Oh well, at least I can touch type so I don't have to look at the keys.
I am sort of disappointed because the keycaps for letters are already fading. I can barely see the C, N, M, K, D, S and L keys. Oh well, at least I can touch type so I don't have to look at the keys.
I'm thinking of picking one of these up and was wondering if the topre switches were quiet enough to use in a library or some other quiet area. I'm only familiar with Cherry browns (leopold tenkeyless). Thanks.
I would say it CAN be quiet enough. I find it possible to type on this at fast speeds while still keeping the volume down by how I softly I type on it. Also, not using the rubber feet help keep the volume down.
I would say that it's quiet enough. Similar to a rubber dome keyboard, a lot of the noise depends on how much force you use when you type.
I just got the FC660C and I have a question: Is the INS key supposed to light up when you press it? Mine doesn't but it looks like it should since it has a little window for it.
My CapsLock lights up.
Thanks.
I just got the FC660C and I have a question: Is the INS key supposed to light up when you press it? Mine doesn't but it looks like it should since it has a little window for it.
My CapsLock lights up.
Thanks.
It lights up when you press fn + Q. It makes it so when you press Esc, it types `.
I just got the FC660C and I have a question: Is the INS key supposed to light up when you press it? Mine doesn't but it looks like it should since it has a little window for it.
My CapsLock lights up.
Thanks.
It lights up when you press fn + Q. It makes it so when you press Esc, it types `.
Ah, it does. But if that's the case, why on Earth is the LED on the INS and not the ESC key?
I like the layout on my FC660M, so I'm leaning towards getting an FC660C when they become available locally.....
Where do you live? They're in stock at elitekeyboards.Somewhere in Asia, the local distributer of Ducky and HHKB did mention they would be bringing in some Leopold keyboards.....so, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Got my FC660c earlier this week, and as people have been saying the switches feel heavier than 45g. I've been driving a first run Das since 2006 (these were made with mx blues) and as a developer this sucker's seen a lot of action and it feels like the blues on my Das are lighter.
Don't know how I feel about the topres yet, this board may end up for trade here in a couple weeks, just want to give it a fair shake first. I'm definitely not an instant convert.
Got my FC660c earlier this week, and as people have been saying the switches feel heavier than 45g. I've been driving a first run Das since 2006 (these were made with mx blues) and as a developer this sucker's seen a lot of action and it feels like the blues on my Das are lighter.
Don't know how I feel about the topres yet, this board may end up for trade here in a couple weeks, just want to give it a fair shake first. I'm definitely not an instant convert.
It is often said that you should give yourself a week or two to become accustomed to Topre before making a final decision.
It is often said that you should give yourself a week or two to become accustomed to Topre before making a final decision.
It is often said that you should give yourself a week or two to become accustomed to Topre before making a final decision.
Certainly, when you've been running the same board for 7 years like I have, any change is going to be dramatic. And since this is an entirely different type of switch the change will be even more pronounced.
I actually picked up a QFR with browns at the same time that I'm using at home to see how I like the feel between the two, and as can be expected I have been much more comfortable with the browns so far than with the Topres. But I'm certainly not giving up yet!
7 years is a long time to be using one keyboard. How many computers did you go through in that time?
All these threads and posts on the 660C gets me tempted to buy one! My friend has one and I must say... I can see why so many just fall for the Topre trap... Question is, if I do go for Topre, do I get this or a RF... or a HHKB... :))
All these threads and posts on the 660C gets me tempted to buy one! My friend has one and I must say... I can see why so many just fall for the Topre trap... Question is, if I do go for Topre, do I get this or a RF... or a HHKB... :))
RF if you are addicted to a conventional layout.
HHKB if you don't mind not having dedicated arrow keys.
FC660C if you are undecided.
All these threads and posts on the 660C gets me tempted to buy one! My friend has one and I must say... I can see why so many just fall for the Topre trap... Question is, if I do go for Topre, do I get this or a RF... or a HHKB... :))Exactly! I have two Topre and two HHKB 2's, and when I come here.....I somehow feel my collection isn't complete w/o an FC660C. GH can be very taxing on one's wallet at times, no? :p
For the past couple weeks, I've been alternating between the FC660C and FC660M a couple times a day. It's funny, because right when I switch to the other, it feels so nice and good. Back and forth. It's like marrying two hot Korean twins, if polygamy wasn't frowned upon. I highly recommend. :)
For the past couple weeks, I've been alternating between the FC660C and FC660M a couple times a day. It's funny, because right when I switch to the other, it feels so nice and good. Back and forth. It's like marrying two hot Korean twins, if polygamy wasn't frowned upon. I highly recommend. :)
For the past couple weeks, I've been alternating between the FC660C and FC660M a couple times a day. It's funny, because right when I switch to the other, it feels so nice and good. Back and forth. It's like marrying two hot Korean twins, if polygamy wasn't frowned upon. I highly recommend. :)
:)) "it's like marrying two hot Korean twins,"... that would be a headache :))
For the past couple weeks, I've been alternating between the FC660C and FC660M a couple times a day. It's funny, because right when I switch to the other, it feels so nice and good. Back and forth. It's like marrying two hot Korean twins, if polygamy wasn't frowned upon. I highly recommend. :)
:)) "it's like marrying two hot Korean twins,"... that would be a headache :))
Is that an option?
For the past couple weeks, I've been alternating between the FC660C and FC660M a couple times a day. It's funny, because right when I switch to the other, it feels so nice and good. Back and forth. It's like marrying two hot Korean twins, if polygamy wasn't frowned upon. I highly recommend. :)
:)) "it's like marrying two hot Korean twins,"... that would be a headache :))
Is that an option?
Lol! I would bet on it not being an option :)) But then again, I think polygamy in general is a formula for trouble :P huehuehue
With twins could be interesting ;)
With twins could be interesting ;)
LOL! Most probably so :P
On another note, I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this already but, anyone who owns a 660C, do you notice how the arrow cluster feels? I know the 660C is supposed to be uniform 45g but the arrow cluster just feels so much more ridiculously lighter compared to the rest of the keyboard... It can't be just me. Someone else agree here because I know for a fact that I've barely used the arrow cluster, so it can't be that it's broken in, and even with the 100+ hours on the alpha cluster, my arrow cluster still feels way lighter (I actually kind of like how light it is... maybe I'd enjoy a full 30/35g board, or at least the variable weight RF).
On another note, I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this already but, anyone who owns a 660C, do you notice how the arrow cluster feels? I know the 660C is supposed to be uniform 45g but the arrow cluster just feels so much more ridiculously lighter compared to the rest of the keyboard... It can't be just me. Someone else agree here because I know for a fact that I've barely used the arrow cluster, so it can't be that it's broken in, and even with the 100+ hours on the alpha cluster, my arrow cluster still feels way lighter (I actually kind of like how light it is... maybe I'd enjoy a full 30/35g board, or at least the variable weight RF).
On another note, I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this already but, anyone who owns a 660C, do you notice how the arrow cluster feels? I know the 660C is supposed to be uniform 45g but the arrow cluster just feels so much more ridiculously lighter compared to the rest of the keyboard... It can't be just me. Someone else agree here because I know for a fact that I've barely used the arrow cluster, so it can't be that it's broken in, and even with the 100+ hours on the alpha cluster, my arrow cluster still feels way lighter (I actually kind of like how light it is... maybe I'd enjoy a full 30/35g board, or at least the variable weight RF).
I can't say I immediately noticed that, but I'm still not used to its position so that discomfort probably clouds any judgement on weight. I brought my board home over the weekend so I'll try it out sometime today and see if I have the same observation.
Might be interested in this thread, especially from Reply #134, forward:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=27474.msg1047302#msg1047302
I can't say I immediately noticed that, but I'm still not used to its position so that discomfort probably clouds any judgement on weight. I brought my board home over the weekend so I'll try it out sometime today and see if I have the same observation.
You could also measure the actuation force using stacks of nickels.
has anyone tried adding the 10g spring to all of the keys to make this a 55g board? or are those springs not easily available?
has anyone tried adding the 10g spring to all of the keys to make this a 55g board? or are those springs not easily available?I recently posted this question, and I have asked EK.com about it. The springs are not readily available. However, it should be possible to measure the spring and have them custom made. Alternatively, there are online spring calculators for designing springs with specific dimensions and spring constants, e.g., compression force. Apparently there are companies that could make custom springs according to the parameters given to them. However, putting such auxiliary springs on the stems would not be the same as swapping domes or installing 55-gram Topres in the place of 45-gram Topres.
Please do :D I'll look forward to hearing back from you. You will definitely notice the difference in weight between the two, there's no doubt. I can feel it, it's not just my imagination :)) I just wanted to see if everyone else had the same issue (I wouldn't necessarily see it as a problem because it's just the arrow cluster, and I kind of like it).
You could also measure the actuation force using stacks of nickels.
Please do :D I'll look forward to hearing back from you. You will definitely notice the difference in weight between the two, there's no doubt. I can feel it, it's not just my imagination :)) I just wanted to see if everyone else had the same issue (I wouldn't necessarily see it as a problem because it's just the arrow cluster, and I kind of like it).
Alright, pulled out the board, and you're definitely right, the arrow cluster is weighted differently. It's especially noticeable with my pinky, which i'm just now starting to use for that.You could also measure the actuation force using stacks of nickels.
Because I was curious I went ahead and tried it:
Arrows: 9-11 nickels to bottom out so ~45g-55g
Others: 12-13 nickels to bottom out so ~60g-65g
Now that method seems highly error prone since you're talking +/- 12% with 5g weights and the key profiles make this a little tough enough that i had to adjust the board pitch to keep the force perpendicular to the key top. In the end tough it was consistently lighter on items in the same row so that makes me feel a little better.
For anyone curious my QFR with browns was consistently at 11 nickels or ~55g, and my Das with blues was consistently at 13 nickels or ~65g so at least how i was performing it passes the smell test.
Please do :D I'll look forward to hearing back from you. You will definitely notice the difference in weight between the two, there's no doubt. I can feel it, it's not just my imagination :)) I just wanted to see if everyone else had the same issue (I wouldn't necessarily see it as a problem because it's just the arrow cluster, and I kind of like it).
Alright, pulled out the board, and you're definitely right, the arrow cluster is weighted differently. It's especially noticeable with my pinky, which i'm just now starting to use for that.You could also measure the actuation force using stacks of nickels.
Because I was curious I went ahead and tried it:
Arrows: 9-11 nickels to bottom out so ~45g-55g
Others: 12-13 nickels to bottom out so ~60g-65g
Now that method seems highly error prone since you're talking +/- 12% with 5g weights and the key profiles make this a little tough enough that i had to adjust the board pitch to keep the force perpendicular to the key top. In the end tough it was consistently lighter on items in the same row so that makes me feel a little better.
For anyone curious my QFR with browns was consistently at 11 nickels or ~55g, and my Das with blues was consistently at 13 nickels or ~65g so at least how i was performing it passes the smell test.
The RealForce 87U EK edition just came and I have the FC660C in front of me as well. (1) I agree that the FC660C keys are lighter than the other keys on the FC660C. (2) The arrow keys on the FC660C definitely feel a lot like the keys on the 87U-EK.
For you (1), I think you meant that the arrow keys are lighter than the other keys on the FC660C :P
Oh man... I was actually looking at that EK edition... The weight on my RF 23UB I have now, I would say, is in between the weight of the stiffer alpha switches of the 660C and the super light arrow cluster on the 660C. Man... I really want to try a full RF keyboard with 45g to compare and then try the variable weights to compare the 35g on there with the arrow cluster on my 660C! I wish I could score a variable weight RF for about $160 shipped... I would pay it right on the spot.
For you (1), I think you meant that the arrow keys are lighter than the other keys on the FC660C :P
Oh man... I was actually looking at that EK edition... The weight on my RF 23UB I have now, I would say, is in between the weight of the stiffer alpha switches of the 660C and the super light arrow cluster on the 660C. Man... I really want to try a full RF keyboard with 45g to compare and then try the variable weights to compare the 35g on there with the arrow cluster on my 660C! I wish I could score a variable weight RF for about $160 shipped... I would pay it right on the spot.
Ok (1) corrected in my original post.
I went back to revisit the keys between the FC660C and the 87U-EK. The keys on the 87U-EK are lighter than the alpha keys on the FC660C but a little heavier than the FC660C arrow keys. However, I wouldn't categorize the arrow keys on the FC660C as being super light vs. the alpha keys.
Please don't make me balance nickels on the keys... I'm in the office and people will be able to see me. :-[
On thing off the bat that I'm having a hard time getting used to is the broad forehead on the 87U. Why so big? All that wasted space! It makes me really appreciate the compact form factor of the FC660C.
Windows keys with the shiny domes on the 87U are also kind of bugging me. Anyone want to sell me 2 blank dark grey Topre keycaps? Do they even exist? :rolleyes:
I've solved my issues with the Leopold FC660C by buying a HHKB Pro 2. I kept seeing rave reviews and not quite believing that they could pertain to me. I was skeptical about the layout and absence of dedicated arrow keys. However, now that I've actually tried it, I found that I adjusted to the layout and Fn-layer arrow keys within the first day, and it now appears that this masterpiece of minimalism is going to be my daily driver.
About the only thing I would have them change about the HHKB Pro 2 is the switch weight. I would like to see a 55-gram option, but the 45-gram switches seem fine. I have not yet tested their uniformity and how this compares to my FC660C, but overall I now prefer the HHKB Pro 2 to the Leopold.
I've solved my issues with the Leopold FC660C by buying a HHKB Pro 2. I kept seeing rave reviews and not quite believing that they could pertain to me. I was skeptical about the layout and absence of dedicated arrow keys. However, now that I've actually tried it, I found that I adjusted to the layout and Fn-layer arrow keys within the first day, and it now appears that this masterpiece of minimalism is going to be my daily driver.
About the only thing I would have them change about the HHKB Pro 2 is the switch weight. I would like to see a 55-gram option, but the 45-gram switches seem fine. I have not yet tested their uniformity and how this compares to my FC660C, but overall I now prefer the HHKB Pro 2 to the Leopold.
I agree, when I had both keyboards I really favored the HHKB2 more.
It felt better overall for typing, the keys felt bouncier and landing was softer.
The FC660 is still a solid board too.
The keys felt smoother and faster.
I've solved my issues with the Leopold FC660C by buying a HHKB Pro 2. I kept seeing rave reviews and not quite believing that they could pertain to me. I was skeptical about the layout and absence of dedicated arrow keys. However, now that I've actually tried it, I found that I adjusted to the layout and Fn-layer arrow keys within the first day, and it now appears that this masterpiece of minimalism is going to be my daily driver.
About the only thing I would have them change about the HHKB Pro 2 is the switch weight. I would like to see a 55-gram option, but the 45-gram switches seem fine. I have not yet tested their uniformity and how this compares to my FC660C, but overall I now prefer the HHKB Pro 2 to the Leopold.
I agree, when I had both keyboards I really favored the HHKB2 more.
It felt better overall for typing, the keys felt bouncier and landing was softer.
The FC660 is still a solid board too.
The keys felt smoother and faster.
I'd still like to try an orange keyboard - the one thing I miss on my HHKB is the arrow keys, which FC660C has.
Is the spacebar ABS or PBT?
Any word on replacement caps from Leopold or otherwise? Love the board but the caps.....legends are wearing already.
Any word on replacement caps from Leopold or otherwise? Love the board but the caps.....legends are wearing already.
I emailed EK and this is what they sent me.
Hi kenmai9,
I believe Leopold is working on offering these, but they are not available yet. Please join our newsletter.
Best regards,
Brian
For me, one of the main turn-offs of the FC660 is the fact the keycaps are laser-etched. I'm okay with non-standard space bar stems as long as they provide high-quality dye-sublimated PBT keycaps.
For me, one of the main turn-offs of the FC660 is the fact the keycaps are laser-etched. I'm okay with non-standard space bar stems as long as they provide high-quality dye-sublimated PBT keycaps.
For me, one of the main turn-offs of the FC660 is the fact the keycaps are laser-etched. I'm okay with non-standard space bar stems as long as they provide high-quality dye-sublimated PBT keycaps.
They are actually pad printed, despite what EK says.
For me, one of the main turn-offs of the FC660 is the fact the keycaps are laser-etched. I'm okay with non-standard space bar stems as long as they provide high-quality dye-sublimated PBT keycaps.
They are actually pad printed, despite what EK says.
I'm looking to get one of these as my first Topre, is it a good choice?
Okay so, I am newer to the geekhack community and so far I really love what a lot members have done as far reviews, threads, and even things such as showing how to modify your mechanical keyboard as well. I really like the way the Leopold 660 design is laid out, and have been contemplating buying one for a while, but only in a cherry mx mechanical key switch, and now I have started watching reviews, reading blogs and threads, and researching the topre switch mechanical keyboards which many experienced mechanical keyboard owners and users stand by as being one of the best when it comes to mechanical keyboards. I just want to know if you guys were to compare the mx cherry mechanical keyboard to the leopold 660c or happy hacking is it that much of a different typing experience. Also, does it justify the extra 50 dollars I am about to spend this christmas purchasing the topre version of the leopold? Because from what I have read it seems to be an awesome experience, but no one in the community ever seems to write me back save a few decent enough people who want me to stick around. I really would like to learn about mechanical keyboards more than I have and would appreciate some feedback. Because I was up between the leopold fc660m(clear switches or browns), the poker 2 or pure pro(with browns, and because of the customizability of the keycaps you can purchase) and the leopold fc660c(seems like a really nice keyboard and typing experience, is this switch suitable for playing games of most kinds with?) these are the few compact boards I have been looking at I already own a blue switch keyboard, and the browns switch xt I am lending to my girlfriend so if anyone could give me an idea of if the leopold fc660c with topre switches is worth it in terms of price and switching switches..lol....please write me back, thanks and happy holidays
Okay so, I am newer to the geekhack community and so far I really love what a lot members have done as far reviews, threads, and even things such as showing how to modify your mechanical keyboard as well. I really like the way the Leopold 660 design is laid out, and have been contemplating buying one for a while, but only in a cherry mx mechanical key switch, and now I have started watching reviews, reading blogs and threads, and researching the topre switch mechanical keyboards which many experienced mechanical keyboard owners and users stand by as being one of the best when it comes to mechanical keyboards. I just want to know if you guys were to compare the mx cherry mechanical keyboard to the leopold 660c or happy hacking is it that much of a different typing experience. Also, does it justify the extra 50 dollars I am about to spend this christmas purchasing the topre version of the leopold? Because from what I have read it seems to be an awesome experience, but no one in the community ever seems to write me back save a few decent enough people who want me to stick around. I really would like to learn about mechanical keyboards more than I have and would appreciate some feedback. Because I was up between the leopold fc660m(clear switches or browns), the poker 2 or pure pro(with browns, and because of the customizability of the keycaps you can purchase) and the leopold fc660c(seems like a really nice keyboard and typing experience, is this switch suitable for playing games of most kinds with?) these are the few compact boards I have been looking at I already own a blue switch keyboard, and the browns switch xt I am lending to my girlfriend so if anyone could give me an idea of if the leopold fc660c with topre switches is worth it in terms of price and switching switches..lol....please write me back, thanks and happy holidays
660C vs Realforce 87 vs HHKB? Which 1 should I try to pick up?
people really need to focus less on the 'thock' sound and more on the 'thock' feel. It is the feeling of bottoming out that really makes topre stand out.
bottom out on:
membrane - plastic against plastic
mx - plastic against metal/plastic
topre - plastic against rubber
both membrane and mx bottom out on something very solid and hard. that gives the feeling of all your keystroke force being bounced back up against your finger; the topre rubber completely absorbs this downward force. This is the absolutely biggest difference between topre and other switches; all the other pro-topre arguments are rather make-believe in comparison.
NOTE:
this is the reason I hate MX reds and loves mx clicky switches; on mx linears, there is NOTHING stopping you from bottoming out and feeling the bounce-back. With topre though, tactility is rather pathetic (yes it is), but it's actually not important in getting a pleasant typing experience.
Just thought I'd pop in and ask if anybody has heard anything new regarding replacement caps.
I bet no one noticed that he has a bottle of Aveeno lotion. :p
People place way too much concern on bottoming out, when you aren't supposed to do it either. Personally I'd rather hit something solid like a plate rather than something squishy like a Topre rubber dome. Literally the only good thing about Topre versus any other board is its sound.
Do you ever find yourself mistyping due to the abbreviated right shift key on the Leopold and on the HHKB? I know it's basically full size, but it isn't quite, and I imagine I would end up overshooting it now and then.
Thanks for the great review!
Man, you crazy 150-plus typists! You're the people I'm always getting crushed by on typeracer! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Man, you crazy 150-plus typists! You're the people I'm always getting crushed by on typeracer! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
P.S. Did you find any site or service particularly helpful when learning Dvorak?
Very cool, thank you! ;) ;)
Thank you! Are you also Linkbane on typeracer? Or do you go by another name?
It would be nice to know one of the many people I lose to on typeracer.
Do you ever find yourself mistyping due to the abbreviated right shift key on the Leopold and on the HHKB? I know it's basically full size, but it isn't quite, and I imagine I would end up overshooting it now and then.
Thanks for the great review!
I noticed a lot of complaints about the keycaps for this board -- I just got my blank version in on Friday and ohmygod this board is perfect. All I need are two clacks for the ins/del and this board will be my daily driver for the foreseeable future.
My legends are already starting to fade unfortunately. :( But you won't have that problem with the blanks. I'm waiting on some Realforce dye-sublimated keycaps to replace the Leopold ones, so that will solve my problem!
Another FC660C owner in Ottawa, what are the odds? haha. I'd love to see what those caps look like when you get them in.
Nice! Where did you end up finding the Realforce keycaps? And is it a full set or just modifiers?
Got them on elitekeyboards (a full pink set): http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,toprekeys&pid=se09e0_ktf1
But ugh... I don't know if I'll buy them from there again because shipping to Canada was like $33 US + another $37 Canadian dollars in custom fees!!! :'( I don't know where else to find replacement Topre keycaps and I don't have 60 posts yet to go through classifieds lol. I know taobao carries them too, but I really have no idea how to order from there.
Got them on elitekeyboards (a full pink set): http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,toprekeys&pid=se09e0_ktf1
But ugh... I don't know if I'll buy them from there again because shipping to Canada was like $33 US + another $37 Canadian dollars in custom fees!!! :'( I don't know where else to find replacement Topre keycaps and I don't have 60 posts yet to go through classifieds lol. I know taobao carries them too, but I really have no idea how to order from there.
You'll pay a lot more than what EK charges if you buy off taobao :/ Here are some sets http://goo.gl/2mkYDz imsto will proxy them for you if you're interested http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1827
I noticed a lot of complaints about the keycaps for this board -- I just got my blank version in on Friday and ohmygod this board is perfect. All I need are two clacks for the ins/del and this board will be my daily driver for the foreseeable future.
My legends are already starting to fade unfortunately. :( But you won't have that problem with the blanks. I'm waiting on some Realforce dye-sublimated keycaps to replace the Leopold ones, so that will solve my problem!
I just received my FC660C with blank caps and bypassed the poor printing quality. This thing feels amazing. I'm actually using it instead of my HHKB right now :eek:
The switches and/or keycaps feel softer on the FC660C than they do on the HHKB. Replacing the stock keycaps with the Realforce ones made a little bit of difference. The dedicated arrow keys is a nice touch compared to the HHKB but the latter is smaller.
Apparently CM's Novatouch will be manufactured at the same factory that produces the FC660C so if you like that keyboard...
Good to know. I hope the difference you're talking about is a "good" difference.
Good to know. I hope the difference you're talking about is a "good" difference.
I guess this won't be helpful but I wouldn't describe the difference as being good or bad, just noticeable. If I could only have one keyboard out of the two then it would have to be the Leopold because of the dedicated arrow keys.
Are you talking about the difference between the HHKB and the Leopold or the difference between stock Leopold keycaps and Realforce keycaps on a Leopold? I was referring to the Realforce keycaps.
Ah my bad! I was still hung up on the keyboard comparison. The difference between the stock FC660C keycaps and the replacement Realforce ones is significant and worth the upgrade. The latter feel firmer and also seem to augment the sound of key presses.
I just received my FC660C with blank caps and bypassed the poor printing quality. This thing feels amazing. I'm actually using it instead of my HHKB right now :eek:
So do you find it feels better than your HHKB?
I just received my FC660C with blank caps and bypassed the poor printing quality. This thing feels amazing. I'm actually using it instead of my HHKB right now :eek:
So do you find it feels better than your HHKB?
Hard to admit it, but right now I do :eek: I actually prefer the mods on the HHKB and the alphas on the Leopold xD they just feel so soft and smooth...
I just received my FC660C with blank caps and bypassed the poor printing quality. This thing feels amazing. I'm actually using it instead of my HHKB right now :eek:
So do you find it feels better than your HHKB?
Hard to admit it, but right now I do :eek: I actually prefer the mods on the HHKB and the alphas on the Leopold xD they just feel so soft and smooth...
I do agree, it does feel buttery smooth.
Which of the two keyboards, HHKB and FC660C, 45-gram key switches feels firmer? I use 55-gram Topres and found RF's 45-gram KB to be too soft for me.
Which of the two keyboards, HHKB and FC660C, 45-gram key switches feels firmer? I use 55-gram Topres and found RF's 45-gram KB to be too soft for me.
Between those two the HHKB's switches definitely feel firmer. I have a RF 87U 55g making its way to me so hopefully I'll be able to compare all three next week.
I just received my FC660C with blank caps and bypassed the poor printing quality. This thing feels amazing. I'm actually using it instead of my HHKB right now :eek:
So do you find it feels better than your HHKB?
Hard to admit it, but right now I do :eek: I actually prefer the mods on the HHKB and the alphas on the Leopold xD they just feel so soft and smooth...
I do agree, it does feel buttery smooth.
Which of the two keyboards, HHKB and FC660C, 45-gram key switches feels firmer? I use 55-gram Topres and found RF's 45-gram KB to be too soft for me.
Which of the two keyboards, HHKB and FC660C, 45-gram key switches feels firmer? I use 55-gram Topres and found RF's 45-gram KB to be too soft for me.
Between those two the HHKB's switches definitely feel firmer. I have a RF 87U 55g making its way to me so hopefully I'll be able to compare all three next week.
I'd be interested to here how the key switches compare. Thus far, Ive not found a more agreeable switch than Topre's 55-gram. So your observation will be interesting. I even prefer it to my buckling-spring KBs.
I think it really depends on how you define "firm". If you want talk about construction and overall feel, the 660C definitely takes the cake here because of the overall feel of the butter smooth bottoming-out because of steel plate and the tight construction of the case. It's also snappier and more poppy than the RF 45g. However, that is not to say that the HHKB isn't well constructed. The construction is great on the HHKB, however, it can feel cheap to some people because of its light weight and plastic case mounting, which results in much resonance (also known as the famous HHKB thock). I, on the other hand (like many), personally find this to be the best aspect of the HHKB because it makes it more fun to type on. Now if you're talking about stiffness of the switch, the difference in weight between the two is minimal and probably most depends on how much use they switches have seen.
However, subjectively, the RF 45g definitely feels the lightest, then 660C, and HHKB. I find the RF 45g to be least satisfying and just mushy because of the lack of tactility and soft bottoming-out. The 660C seems to be the best "feeling" because of the balance between tactility/snappy with the most butter/smooth feel when bottoming out (bc of plate). The HHKB is the most "fun" because of the case mounting and how the entire keyboard/case resonates with each bottoming out. Remember, this is my opinion between the three, and that it will be nearly all subjective when it comes to the comparison between the three 45g's. Just a matter of what does one prefer.
They are all far from the 55g though. All hail 55g thorpe. Best thorpe.
Remember to take all this with a grain of salt because in the end, the best way to find out is to try them all yourself. I know that even with over a year of reading pages and pages on Topre, and I felt like I knew/imagined what they felt like, they all felt way different than I imagined when I actually got them in my hands. Same applies for when I got the 55g (already had 660c for awhile before). I just assumed the 55g would feel like a stiffer 45g (and probably like a 45g with the spacebar spring in it) but it turned out to be a totally different animal with different characteristics.
I think it really depends on how you define "firm". If you want talk about construction and overall feel, the 660C definitely takes the cake here because of the overall feel of the butter smooth bottoming-out because of steel plate and the tight construction of the case. It's also snappier and more poppy than the RF 45g. However, that is not to say that the HHKB isn't well constructed. The construction is great on the HHKB, however, it can feel cheap to some people because of its light weight and plastic case mounting, which results in much resonance (also known as the famous HHKB thock). I, on the other hand (like many), personally find this to be the best aspect of the HHKB because it makes it more fun to type on. Now if you're talking about stiffness of the switch, the difference in weight between the two is minimal and probably most depends on how much use they switches have seen.
However, subjectively, the RF 45g definitely feels the lightest, then 660C, and HHKB. I find the RF 45g to be least satisfying and just mushy because of the lack of tactility and soft bottoming-out. The 660C seems to be the best "feeling" because of the balance between tactility/snappy with the most butter/smooth feel when bottoming out (bc of plate). The HHKB is the most "fun" because of the case mounting and how the entire keyboard/case resonates with each bottoming out. Remember, this is my opinion between the three, and that it will be nearly all subjective when it comes to the comparison between the three 45g's. Just a matter of what does one prefer.
They are all far from the 55g though. All hail 55g thorpe. Best thorpe.
Remember to take all this with a grain of salt because in the end, the best way to find out is to try them all yourself. I know that even with over a year of reading pages and pages on Topre, and I felt like I knew/imagined what they felt like, they all felt way different than I imagined when I actually got them in my hands. Same applies for when I got the 55g (already had 660c for awhile before). I just assumed the 55g would feel like a stiffer 45g (and probably like a 45g with the spacebar spring in it) but it turned out to be a totally different animal with different characteristics.
I just received my FC660C with blank caps and bypassed the poor printing quality. This thing feels amazing. I'm actually using it instead of my HHKB right now :eek:
So do you find it feels better than your HHKB?
Hard to admit it, but right now I do :eek: I actually prefer the mods on the HHKB and the alphas on the Leopold xD they just feel so soft and smooth...
I do agree, it does feel buttery smooth.
Which of the two keyboards, HHKB and FC660C, 45-gram key switches feels firmer? I use 55-gram Topres and found RF's 45-gram KB to be too soft for me.Which of the two keyboards, HHKB and FC660C, 45-gram key switches feels firmer? I use 55-gram Topres and found RF's 45-gram KB to be too soft for me.
Between those two the HHKB's switches definitely feel firmer. I have a RF 87U 55g making its way to me so hopefully I'll be able to compare all three next week.
I'd be interested to here how the key switches compare. Thus far, Ive not found a more agreeable switch than Topre's 55-gram. So your observation will be interesting. I even prefer it to my buckling-spring KBs.
I think it really depends on how you define "firm". If you want talk about construction and overall feel, the 660C definitely takes the cake here because of the overall feel of the butter smooth bottoming-out because of steel plate and the tight construction of the case. It's also snappier and more poppy than the RF 45g. However, that is not to say that the HHKB isn't well constructed. The construction is great on the HHKB, however, it can feel cheap to some people because of its light weight and plastic case mounting, which results in much resonance (also known as the famous HHKB thock). I, on the other hand (like many), personally find this to be the best aspect of the HHKB because it makes it more fun to type on. Now if you're talking about stiffness of the switch, the difference in weight between the two is minimal and probably most depends on how much use they switches have seen.
However, subjectively, the RF 45g definitely feels the lightest, then 660C, and HHKB. I find the RF 45g to be least satisfying and just mushy because of the lack of tactility and soft bottoming-out. The 660C seems to be the best "feeling" because of the balance between tactility/snappy with the most butter/smooth feel when bottoming out (bc of plate). The HHKB is the most "fun" because of the case mounting and how the entire keyboard/case resonates with each bottoming out. Remember, this is my opinion between the three, and that it will be nearly all subjective when it comes to the comparison between the three 45g's. Just a matter of what does one prefer.
They are all far from the 55g though. All hail 55g thorpe. Best thorpe.
Remember to take all this with a grain of salt because in the end, the best way to find out is to try them all yourself. I know that even with over a year of reading pages and pages on Topre, and I felt like I knew/imagined what they felt like, they all felt way different than I imagined when I actually got them in my hands. Same applies for when I got the 55g (already had 660c for awhile before). I just assumed the 55g would feel like a stiffer 45g (and probably like a 45g with the spacebar spring in it) but it turned out to be a totally different animal with different characteristics.
Oh did you get your blank one from EK already?
Everything you've said about FC660C vs. HHKB is spot-on. :thumb:
Oh did you get your blank one from EK already?
I owned a printed version in the past -- but I actually did get the EK order -- the cost to overnight was not substantially more than regular 2day shipping to DC so I ended up doing that. Will post pix soon :)
So are they ever gonna come out with better keycaps for this?
Still haven't tried my ingenious idea of putting 55g rubber in a 660C, eh? I'm awaiting your review ;)
Right now I've got my HHKB alphas on the Leo w/ blank modsShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/OHbvgiD.jpg)
Right now I've got my HHKB alphas on the Leo w/ blank mods -- interestingly, the HHKB caps feel much better on the Leo, and the Leo's caps feel much better on the HHKB! The Leo's profile is slightly different -- a little shorter -- and the PBT is thinner. This actually makes the HHKB thock even more, while the thicker HHKB keys reduce the (IMO undesirable) upstroke "click" of the Leo. I plan to do spicebar's silence mod on my Leo as soon as I get the right materials.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OHbvgiD.jpg)
Right now I've got my HHKB alphas on the Leo w/ blank mods -- interestingly, the HHKB caps feel much better on the Leo, and the Leo's caps feel much better on the HHKB! The Leo's profile is slightly different -- a little shorter -- and the PBT is thinner. This actually makes the HHKB thock even more, while the thicker HHKB keys reduce the (IMO undesirable) upstroke "click" of the Leo. I plan to do spicebar's silence mod on my Leo as soon as I get the right materials.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OHbvgiD.jpg)
The HHKB:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yPNZNPo.jpg)
Those are pretty sexy!!! I rike, so very rike. Your observation on switching the caps is quite interesting! I'm going to have to throw my Leopold caps on my HHKB sometime to see for myself :)
The HHKB:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yPNZNPo.jpg)
The HHKB:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yPNZNPo.jpg)
nice!
that IS purple right?
purple caps w/ purple silenced stems would be ridiculous (and expensive)
So,
I have completed the silence mod on my FC660C. It is epic. But I have some advice for others: get the soft-landing pads from EK. Don't screw around with anything else. I used adhesive rubber pads from Ace that I punched and trimmed to size and it was a royal pain in the ass. Took way longer than necessary. Also, these were only about 1mm thick, but they are very nearly too thick. In fact, for some keys that were particularly sensitive, I had to sand down the rubber pads to avoid false keypresses. I also had to tighten PCB/plate screws a minimal amount to give the domes as much free play as possible. Even with this, many keys are on hair trigger status due to the extra dome compression from the pads I inserted.
I believe the soft landing pads are thinner, and either way, they'll save you a huge headache doing it another way.
ANYWAY. Here are the vids. A note in advance-- the FC660C has a voice for radio. IMO, the stock configuration sounds much better on a recording than in real life, including on my 'before' video below. This is true of nearly all Youtube videos of the FC660C. Most recording devices seem to overemphasize the thock and underemphasize the click (upstroke) which is really not accurate at all. Even when trying to avoid false bass detection, videos make the FC660C sound like it has this great rolling, resonant low tone. NOT TRUE IMO. In reality, the upstroke click (yuck) really overpowers the downstroke thock; hence, the silence mod.
The videos are a fairly close approximation, with the caveat I mentioned above. FWIW, In real life, the silence mod sounds way way way better than stock.
Also, not that I did not silence the backspace key.
Vid 1: FC660C before modding ^-^
Vid 2: FC660C after silence mod :thumb:
Does anyone know whether it's possible to use a program like autohotkey to create media keys on the FC660C? Ideally, I'd like to have volume up as fn+ins and volume down as fn+del.
Right now I've got my HHKB alphas on the Leo w/ blank mods -- interestingly, the HHKB caps feel much better on the Leo, and the Leo's caps feel much better on the HHKB! The Leo's profile is slightly different -- a little shorter -- and the PBT is thinner. This actually makes the HHKB thock even more, while the thicker HHKB keys reduce the (IMO undesirable) upstroke "click" of the Leo. I plan to do spicebar's silence mod on my Leo as soon as I get the right materials.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OHbvgiD.jpg)
I just got my FC660M yesterday and this really is a fantastic board. The quality of it and the keycaps are excellent for the price, and it's very nice having dedicated arrow keys while maintaining a functional layout for such a small board.
Only issue I have with it, which isn't necessarily a flaw but still a significant inconvenience is the placement of the Fn key. Even if it were to be switched with the control key sitting next to it that would be better. But having to, for example, use two hands to actuate F5 feels unnecessary. I guess I can get used to it though. I would buy this board again in the 660C version.
660C vs Realforce 87 vs HHKB? Which 1 should I try to pick up?
My 2 cents ~ If you're wanting to get only a 45g:
- 660C if you want something that feels poppy, soft, and full-on cloudofboobs. Best feel 45g, IMO. Dedicated arrow cluster.
- HHKB if you want max THOCK, plastic-feel/casemount-feel (this is not a bad thing, and it is greatly fun). Best looking. 60% layout.
- RealForce 87 if you want TKl layout. Probably the worst feeling 45g Topre out of them all.
If you want Thorpe God Feels, Realforce 55g ;)
660C vs Realforce 87 vs HHKB? Which 1 should I try to pick up?
My 2 cents ~ If you're wanting to get only a 45g:
- 660C if you want something that feels poppy, soft, and full-on cloudofboobs. Best feel 45g, IMO. Dedicated arrow cluster.
- HHKB if you want max THOCK, plastic-feel/casemount-feel (this is not a bad thing, and it is greatly fun). Best looking. 60% layout.
- RealForce 87 if you want TKl layout. Probably the worst feeling 45g Topre out of them all.
If you want Thorpe God Feels, Realforce 55g ;)
If you were to choose your first Topre(it is in my case), would you go with the 660C or the RF 55g?
660C vs Realforce 87 vs HHKB? Which 1 should I try to pick up?
My 2 cents ~ If you're wanting to get only a 45g:
- 660C if you want something that feels poppy, soft, and full-on cloudofboobs. Best feel 45g, IMO. Dedicated arrow cluster.
- HHKB if you want max THOCK, plastic-feel/casemount-feel (this is not a bad thing, and it is greatly fun). Best looking. 60% layout.
- RealForce 87 if you want TKl layout. Probably the worst feeling 45g Topre out of them all.
If you want Thorpe God Feels, Realforce 55g ;)
If you were to choose your first Topre(it is in my case), would you go with the 660C or the RF 55g?
660C vs Realforce 87 vs HHKB? Which 1 should I try to pick up?
My 2 cents ~ If you're wanting to get only a 45g:
- 660C if you want something that feels poppy, soft, and full-on cloudofboobs. Best feel 45g, IMO. Dedicated arrow cluster.
- HHKB if you want max THOCK, plastic-feel/casemount-feel (this is not a bad thing, and it is greatly fun). Best looking. 60% layout.
- RealForce 87 if you want TKl layout. Probably the worst feeling 45g Topre out of them all.
If you want Thorpe God Feels, Realforce 55g ;)
If you were to choose your first Topre(it is in my case), would you go with the 660C or the RF 55g?
I have the 660C and a RF 55g. The 660C has a great feel and a good pop to it. The 55g has a little more pop but it puts stress on my fingers and wrists. I dont intend to "get used to it" either. One thing I learned from my knee...if your joint is hurting thats bad...dont power through it. You may be fine with the 55g though, it depends on the person.
Get the FC660C as your first Topre board. Then when you're used to that, get the RF 55g. I think it's best to ease into Topre that way.
Vesperbro, remember when I asked you about putting 55g domes in a FC660C? Well turns out that Matt3o's already done it! I might try it after my RF comes.
Vesperbro, remember when I asked you about putting 55g domes in a FC660C? Well turns out that Matt3o's already done it! I might try it after my RF comes.
Oooo really nowwwwww~ That's interesting!!! Only reason I haven't done it is because I just love my RF55g as is :P. If you do it, please let me know what you think compared to how it feels in the 660C and the RF!
Man, you and Travellerr went the exact same routes because of my videos on Youtube, which is 660C then to RF55g (you went one extra and also got the Filco Ergo Clears too :P ) My apologies LOL!
Vesperbro, remember when I asked you about putting 55g domes in a FC660C? Well turns out that Matt3o's already done it! I might try it after my RF comes.
Oooo really nowwwwww~ That's interesting!!! Only reason I haven't done it is because I just love my RF55g as is :P. If you do it, please let me know what you think compared to how it feels in the 660C and the RF!
Man, you and Travellerr went the exact same routes because of my videos on Youtube, which is 660C then to RF55g (you went one extra and also got the Filco Ergo Clears too :P ) My apologies LOL!
Haha I've actually since sold the 660C and have purchased a JD40 that's currently being built...so, not exactly the same. Maybe someday I'll have all your boards, though :thumb:
If i mod the 660C to 55g I'll have to pick up a blank one from EK—but I could never stand those legends anyway ;P
660C vs Realforce 87 vs HHKB? Which 1 should I try to pick up?
My 2 cents ~ If you're wanting to get only a 45g:
- 660C if you want something that feels poppy, soft, and full-on cloudofboobs. Best feel 45g, IMO. Dedicated arrow cluster.
- HHKB if you want max THOCK, plastic-feel/casemount-feel (this is not a bad thing, and it is greatly fun). Best looking. 60% layout.
- RealForce 87 if you want TKl layout. Probably the worst feeling 45g Topre out of them all.
If you want Thorpe God Feels, Realforce 55g ;)
If you were to choose your first Topre(it is in my case), would you go with the 660C or the RF 55g?I have the 660C and a RF 55g. The 660C has a great feel and a good pop to it. The 55g has a little more pop but it puts stress on my fingers and wrists. I dont intend to "get used to it" either. One thing I learned from my knee...if your joint is hurting thats bad...dont power through it. You may be fine with the 55g though, it depends on the person.
I can agree that you should never force something that hurts onto oneself.. However, I think the 55g is a good kind of weight. It's never going to cause any harm to your fingers unless one finds it to be strenuous and that same person is typing for 6 hours straight a day on it, and even then, as long as that person isn't typing over 100 WPMs during that entire time, it's perfectly fine. It's a great, responsive, and solid switch that is actually not that stiff compared to other stiff switches like Cherry MX Black, stock Clears, or Buckling Spring. It only has a semi-stiff peak at top for like 0.5mm travel before it's just a smooth butter light drop to the bottom.Get the FC660C as your first Topre board. Then when you're used to that, get the RF 55g. I think it's best to ease into Topre that way.
I agree that the FC660C is an absolutely awesome first Topre to get. It gives the best representation of why Topre feels so good, and you'll be totally sucked in. If you end up liking it, you'll definitely end up being super curious about the 55g afterwards. I can bet on that. You can't really go wrong with either of them. If you're okay with stiffer switches, the 55g is a perfect first Topre too. You'll eventually end up with 55g in the end anyway :P
660C vs Realforce 87 vs HHKB? Which 1 should I try to pick up?
My 2 cents ~ If you're wanting to get only a 45g:
- 660C if you want something that feels poppy, soft, and full-on cloudofboobs. Best feel 45g, IMO. Dedicated arrow cluster.
- HHKB if you want max THOCK, plastic-feel/casemount-feel (this is not a bad thing, and it is greatly fun). Best looking. 60% layout.
- RealForce 87 if you want TKl layout. Probably the worst feeling 45g Topre out of them all.
If you want Thorpe God Feels, Realforce 55g ;)
If you were to choose your first Topre(it is in my case), would you go with the 660C or the RF 55g?I have the 660C and a RF 55g. The 660C has a great feel and a good pop to it. The 55g has a little more pop but it puts stress on my fingers and wrists. I dont intend to "get used to it" either. One thing I learned from my knee...if your joint is hurting thats bad...dont power through it. You may be fine with the 55g though, it depends on the person.
I can agree that you should never force something that hurts onto oneself.. However, I think the 55g is a good kind of weight. It's never going to cause any harm to your fingers unless one finds it to be strenuous and that same person is typing for 6 hours straight a day on it, and even then, as long as that person isn't typing over 100 WPMs during that entire time, it's perfectly fine. It's a great, responsive, and solid switch that is actually not that stiff compared to other stiff switches like Cherry MX Black, stock Clears, or Buckling Spring. It only has a semi-stiff peak at top for like 0.5mm travel before it's just a smooth butter light drop to the bottom.Get the FC660C as your first Topre board. Then when you're used to that, get the RF 55g. I think it's best to ease into Topre that way.
I agree that the FC660C is an absolutely awesome first Topre to get. It gives the best representation of why Topre feels so good, and you'll be totally sucked in. If you end up liking it, you'll definitely end up being super curious about the 55g afterwards. I can bet on that. You can't really go wrong with either of them. If you're okay with stiffer switches, the 55g is a perfect first Topre too. You'll eventually end up with 55g in the end anyway :P
I never like MX Blacks to begin with. I bottom out all the time, but the blacks just felt too stiff for me. I was worried that it might be the same with the 55g. I just can't decide between the two, and the price difference isn't that much either. On one hand there's the better looking(black on black keys) albeit more expensive 55g, and on the other, well I would certainly miss the function row. I don't plan on waiting for the Novatouch anymore, I'm not that patient of a person. I really do want to believe that the 55 is the god switch though. Still find it hard deciding between the two.
Pretty much what happened to me. FC660C was my first Topre board. My first impression was "Ooooo... aaaah... buttery smoooooth... I like... I like very much.... " Then I caught the Topre bug and became super curious about the much talked about 55g. So when I finally got that, I had the FC660C to compare it to and holy smokes did it make a difference. Even though I initially loved the feel of the FC660C, I love typing on the 55g even more than the FC660C now.
So yeah like Vesper says... all roads eventually lead to 55g! :)
660C vs Realforce 87 vs HHKB? Which 1 should I try to pick up?
My 2 cents ~ If you're wanting to get only a 45g:
- 660C if you want something that feels poppy, soft, and full-on cloudofboobs. Best feel 45g, IMO. Dedicated arrow cluster.
- HHKB if you want max THOCK, plastic-feel/casemount-feel (this is not a bad thing, and it is greatly fun). Best looking. 60% layout.
- RealForce 87 if you want TKl layout. Probably the worst feeling 45g Topre out of them all.
If you want Thorpe God Feels, Realforce 55g ;)
If you were to choose your first Topre(it is in my case), would you go with the 660C or the RF 55g?I have the 660C and a RF 55g. The 660C has a great feel and a good pop to it. The 55g has a little more pop but it puts stress on my fingers and wrists. I dont intend to "get used to it" either. One thing I learned from my knee...if your joint is hurting thats bad...dont power through it. You may be fine with the 55g though, it depends on the person.
I can agree that you should never force something that hurts onto oneself.. However, I think the 55g is a good kind of weight. It's never going to cause any harm to your fingers unless one finds it to be strenuous and that same person is typing for 6 hours straight a day on it, and even then, as long as that person isn't typing over 100 WPMs during that entire time, it's perfectly fine. It's a great, responsive, and solid switch that is actually not that stiff compared to other stiff switches like Cherry MX Black, stock Clears, or Buckling Spring. It only has a semi-stiff peak at top for like 0.5mm travel before it's just a smooth butter light drop to the bottom.
I can agree that you should never force something that hurts onto oneself.. However, I think the 55g is a good kind of weight. It's never going to cause any harm to your fingers unless one finds it to be strenuous and that same person is typing for 6 hours straight a day on it, and even then, as long as that person isn't typing over 100 WPMs during that entire time, it's perfectly fine. It's a great, responsive, and solid switch that is actually not that stiff compared to other stiff switches like Cherry MX Black, stock Clears, or Buckling Spring. It only has a semi-stiff peak at top for like 0.5mm travel before it's just a smooth butter light drop to the bottom.
To me it sounds like you are describing my 660c. I think I just have baby hands I guess. Maybe Ill take her for another run tonight well see.
Hey dude, can I have the link to Stamina 3.0? Can't seem to find it anywhere. I'm thinking of cold-turkey switching to Dvorak, and need all the help I can get. Also, I would like to know of any initial hurdles you had to surpass during the initial learning phase.P.S. Did you find any site or service particularly helpful when learning Dvorak?
I used this source (http://learn.dvorak.nl/) to start, then used Stamina 3.0 a lot for practice with all sorts of words and sentences, and now I mostly use 10FF. And if I could get to 170 in that time, I'd be happy heh.
I can agree that you should never force something that hurts onto oneself.. However, I think the 55g is a good kind of weight. It's never going to cause any harm to your fingers unless one finds it to be strenuous and that same person is typing for 6 hours straight a day on it, and even then, as long as that person isn't typing over 100 WPMs during that entire time, it's perfectly fine. It's a great, responsive, and solid switch that is actually not that stiff compared to other stiff switches like Cherry MX Black, stock Clears, or Buckling Spring. It only has a semi-stiff peak at top for like 0.5mm travel before it's just a smooth butter light drop to the bottom.
To me it sounds like you are describing my 660c. I think I just have baby hands I guess. Maybe Ill take her for another run tonight well see.
:) Yeah, for some people 55g Topre can be overwhelming at first (I almost sold mine too because of this), but with some time, people learn how to type on it and it eventually becomes their favorite. Of course, it's not for everyone though :P It'll also never be a workhorse keyboard though because lighter keyboards are always better for that, even if they don't feel as good and responsive as the 55g.
You should definitely give it another shot! Only problem is that they take a decent amount of time to get used to :P
I can agree that you should never force something that hurts onto oneself.. However, I think the 55g is a good kind of weight. It's never going to cause any harm to your fingers unless one finds it to be strenuous and that same person is typing for 6 hours straight a day on it, and even then, as long as that person isn't typing over 100 WPMs during that entire time, it's perfectly fine. It's a great, responsive, and solid switch that is actually not that stiff compared to other stiff switches like Cherry MX Black, stock Clears, or Buckling Spring. It only has a semi-stiff peak at top for like 0.5mm travel before it's just a smooth butter light drop to the bottom.
To me it sounds like you are describing my 660c. I think I just have baby hands I guess. Maybe Ill take her for another run tonight well see.
:) Yeah, for some people 55g Topre can be overwhelming at first (I almost sold mine too because of this), but with some time, people learn how to type on it and it eventually becomes their favorite. Of course, it's not for everyone though :P It'll also never be a workhorse keyboard though because lighter keyboards are always better for that, even if they don't feel as good and responsive as the 55g.
You should definitely give it another shot! Only problem is that they take a decent amount of time to get used to :P
I found I prefer MX black or green, so I surprised myself by also liking 45g Topre in my HHKB.
I am curious to try 55g Topre one day ...
I can agree that you should never force something that hurts onto oneself.. However, I think the 55g is a good kind of weight. It's never going to cause any harm to your fingers unless one finds it to be strenuous and that same person is typing for 6 hours straight a day on it, and even then, as long as that person isn't typing over 100 WPMs during that entire time, it's perfectly fine. It's a great, responsive, and solid switch that is actually not that stiff compared to other stiff switches like Cherry MX Black, stock Clears, or Buckling Spring. It only has a semi-stiff peak at top for like 0.5mm travel before it's just a smooth butter light drop to the bottom.
To me it sounds like you are describing my 660c. I think I just have baby hands I guess. Maybe Ill take her for another run tonight well see.
:) Yeah, for some people 55g Topre can be overwhelming at first (I almost sold mine too because of this), but with some time, people learn how to type on it and it eventually becomes their favorite. Of course, it's not for everyone though :P It'll also never be a workhorse keyboard though because lighter keyboards are always better for that, even if they don't feel as good and responsive as the 55g.
You should definitely give it another shot! Only problem is that they take a decent amount of time to get used to :P
I found I prefer MX black or green, so I surprised myself by also liking 45g Topre in my HHKB.
I am curious to try 55g Topre one day ...
want to buy my 55g?
nice, thanks for the review... maybe i'll pick one up too
mine finally arrived in the mail!
i've been typing on reds and browns at home for a couple weeks now. after opening the FC660C and typing on it, my first impression was actually huge disappointment....
"this is it!?" is what i thought. i also felt that the keys were extremely heavy. i'm surprised that reds, browns, and these topres are all 45g, because i don't believe it. it's clearly reds, then browns, then topres in terms of force required.
i'm starting to get used to the topre the more i type on it, and the more i type the more i enjoy it. i suspect it might become my favorite after a week. i guess time will tell.
mine finally arrived in the mail!
i've been typing on reds and browns at home for a couple weeks now. after opening the FC660C and typing on it, my first impression was actually huge disappointment....
"this is it!?" is what i thought. i also felt that the keys were extremely heavy. i'm surprised that reds, browns, and these topres are all 45g, because i don't believe it. it's clearly reds, then browns, then topres in terms of force required.
i'm starting to get used to the topre the more i type on it, and the more i type the more i enjoy it. i suspect it might become my favorite after a week. i guess time will tell.
Please give yourself a week or two using the FC660C exclusively, if you can.
Then try switching back to something else and see how the old keyboard feels then.
Yes Topre seems to dissapoint a lot of people the first time they try it, because really it is rubber dome. It is just capacitive rubber dome.
mine finally arrived in the mail!
i've been typing on reds and browns at home for a couple weeks now. after opening the FC660C and typing on it, my first impression was actually huge disappointment....
"this is it!?" is what i thought. i also felt that the keys were extremely heavy. i'm surprised that reds, browns, and these topres are all 45g, because i don't believe it. it's clearly reds, then browns, then topres in terms of force required.
i'm starting to get used to the topre the more i type on it, and the more i type the more i enjoy it. i suspect it might become my favorite after a week. i guess time will tell.
Please give yourself a week or two using the FC660C exclusively, if you can.
Then try switching back to something else and see how the old keyboard feels then.
Yes Topre seems to dissapoint a lot of people the first time they try it, because really it is rubber dome. It is just capacitive rubber dome.
A very expensive rubber dome though.
mine finally arrived in the mail!
i've been typing on reds and browns at home for a couple weeks now. after opening the FC660C and typing on it, my first impression was actually huge disappointment....
"this is it!?" is what i thought. i also felt that the keys were extremely heavy. i'm surprised that reds, browns, and these topres are all 45g, because i don't believe it. it's clearly reds, then browns, then topres in terms of force required.
i'm starting to get used to the topre the more i type on it, and the more i type the more i enjoy it. i suspect it might become my favorite after a week. i guess time will tell.
Please give yourself a week or two using the FC660C exclusively, if you can.
Then try switching back to something else and see how the old keyboard feels then.
Yes Topre seems to dissapoint a lot of people the first time they try it, because really it is rubber dome. It is just capacitive rubber dome.
A very expensive rubber dome though.
just reporting back that i'm starting to feel oneness with the cup rubber :))
i'm consistently 10wpm slower with the topre switches, since i find it incredibly difficult not to bottom out, whereas i'm able to do so much easier on the brown/red switches. nonetheless, bottoming out on topres is very satisfying. i didn't notice it at first but it's very noticable now when i switch back and forth between keyboards.
now i know what people mean when they say "scratchy" browns or "smooth" topres!
just reporting back that i'm starting to feel oneness with the cup rubber :))
i'm consistently 10wpm slower with the topre switches, since i find it incredibly difficult not to bottom out, whereas i'm able to do so much easier on the brown/red switches. nonetheless, bottoming out on topres is very satisfying. i didn't notice it at first but it's very noticable now when i switch back and forth between keyboards.
now i know what people mean when they say "scratchy" browns or "smooth" topres!
just reporting back that i'm starting to feel oneness with the cup rubber :))
i'm consistently 10wpm slower with the topre switches, since i find it incredibly difficult not to bottom out, whereas i'm able to do so much easier on the brown/red switches. nonetheless, bottoming out on topres is very satisfying. i didn't notice it at first but it's very noticable now when i switch back and forth between keyboards.
now i know what people mean when they say "scratchy" browns or "smooth" topres!
You shouldn't try not to bottom out on topre; it's virtually impossible. You might notice yourself making fewer mistakes on topre than on mx red/brown, though. My accuracy and WPM went up significantly from MX Blues to 45g topre.
just reporting back that i'm starting to feel oneness with the cup rubber :))
i'm consistently 10wpm slower with the topre switches, since i find it incredibly difficult not to bottom out, whereas i'm able to do so much easier on the brown/red switches. nonetheless, bottoming out on topres is very satisfying. i didn't notice it at first but it's very noticable now when i switch back and forth between keyboards.
now i know what people mean when they say "scratchy" browns or "smooth" topres!
One of the things hold me back from getting one is the keycaps.
Looks like finally that's no longer an issue.
The omission of the pu/pd/home/end cluster however...Show Image(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/p180x540/1972389_638529909530308_1206669748324047190_n.jpg)Show Image(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/p180x540/10245482_638529916196974_1967581401462823334_n.jpg)Show Image(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/p180x540/1926866_638529949530304_6156607449255660603_n.jpg)Show Image(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/p180x540/10264965_638529932863639_116688433369070120_n.jpg)
Whaaaa....?!? Where did this come from?!?
Whaaaa....?!? Where did this come from?!?
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57246.0
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I just finished doing the dental band mod on my fc660c, I honestly can't believe how well this worked. My keyboard sounds absolutely incredible and there's absolutely no impact on the key travel. Unreal.
I just finished doing the dental band mod on my fc660c, I honestly can't believe how well this worked. My keyboard sounds absolutely incredible and there's absolutely no impact on the key travel. Unreal.
Hmmm.... curious to do it on mine now...
I just finished doing the dental band mod on my fc660c, I honestly can't believe how well this worked. My keyboard sounds absolutely incredible and there's absolutely no impact on the key travel. Unreal.
Hmmm.... curious to do it on mine now...
I have a whole spare back of dental bands and krytox lube is showing up tomorrow. I'd be happy to pass along the surplus supplies.
Finished part 2 of the silencing this weekend, the krytox lube took care of the remaining chatter in the board, and additionally the keypresses feel even smoother than before. I would strongly recommend the dental band+krytox lube mod for those inclined to take the board apart. Seems daunting at first but honestly it's very straightforward.
Finished part 2 of the silencing this weekend, the krytox lube took care of the remaining chatter in the board, and additionally the keypresses feel even smoother than before. I would strongly recommend the dental band+krytox lube mod for those inclined to take the board apart. Seems daunting at first but honestly it's very straightforward.
Where do you get the dental bands from? I'm thinking of doing it to both my RF and the incoming 660C
Just ordered mine, can't wait to get it :). It will be me first topre keyboard.
Now I have to find some keycaps. I heard that the spacebar is kinda hard to find.
Just ordered mine, can't wait to get it :). It will be me first topre keyboard.
Now I have to find some keycaps. I heard that the spacebar is kinda hard to find.
At the moment most Topre keycaps are hard to find :(
And the space bar is smaller than standard right ?
Finished part 2 of the silencing this weekend, the krytox lube took care of the remaining chatter in the board, and additionally the keypresses feel even smoother than before. I would strongly recommend the dental band+krytox lube mod for those inclined to take the board apart. Seems daunting at first but honestly it's very straightforward.
Where do you get the dental bands from? I'm thinking of doing it to both my RF and the incoming 660C
Do not buy the bands that Intelli linked, they won't stay put on the topre stems and will impact key travel. The reason orthodontal bands are used over o-rings is because they're flat, not rounded. Once placed on the bottom of the stem they WILL NOT move.
Here's the link (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEON-1-8-LIGHT-2-5-oz-ORTHODONTIC-ELASTIC-BRACES-DENTAL-RUBBER-BANDS-/141017868936?ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:CA:3160) to the specific auction for the bands I used.
Just ordered mine, can't wait to get it :). It will be me first topre keyboard.
Now I have to find some keycaps. I heard that the spacebar is kinda hard to find.
At the moment most Topre keycaps are hard to find :(
Truth. They're in stock now at ek, so grab some now while you can.And the space bar is smaller than standard right ?
No. It's standard.
Just ordered mine, can't wait to get it :). It will be me first topre keyboard.
Now I have to find some keycaps. I heard that the spacebar is kinda hard to find.
At the moment most Topre keycaps are hard to find :(
Truth. They're in stock now at ek, so grab some now while you can.And the space bar is smaller than standard right ?
No. It's standard.
And the space bar is smaller than standard right ?
No. It's standard.
Here's the link (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEON-1-8-LIGHT-2-5-oz-ORTHODONTIC-ELASTIC-BRACES-DENTAL-RUBBER-BANDS-/141017868936?ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:CA:3160) to the specific auction for the bands I used.
Here's the link (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEON-1-8-LIGHT-2-5-oz-ORTHODONTIC-ELASTIC-BRACES-DENTAL-RUBBER-BANDS-/141017868936?ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:CA:3160) to the specific auction for the bands I used.
Just finished the mod. Holy crap I can't recommend it enough. Sooooooooo smooth and satisfying.
Just got it
I think I may have found The One (but we never know, it's my first Topre) but feels like "back in the childhood"
Hug for fingers.
Just got it
I think I may have found The One (but we never know, it's my first Topre) but feels like "back in the childhood"
Hug for fingers.
Ahah can't stop fingering it even unplugged... Btw the serial is number 58 :)
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- 660C feels
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- 660C feels
Cute smile included? ;D
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- 660C feels
Cute smile included? ;D
A 660c ought to bring a cute (maybe creepy) smile to anyone's face.
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- 660C feels
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- 660C feels
Not a cloud of boobs but still works.
Really desperate trying to find a blank black one of these, if anyone knows a site thats instock or is selling one please let me know.
That HHKB short backspace was the downfall of that board for me, and my poker slowly creeped his way back into becoming my daily board. This board maybe the best of both worlds.
Really desperate trying to find a blank black one of these, if anyone knows a site thats instock or is selling one please let me know.
That HHKB short backspace was the downfall of that board for me, and my poker slowly creeped his way back into becoming my daily board. This board maybe the best of both worlds.
You could always just snag the regular version from EK and get a set of blank black caps.
Thought about it but i heard the space bar and shift arent compatible :(
Really desperate trying to find a blank black one of these, if anyone knows a site thats instock or is selling one please let me know.
That HHKB short backspace was the downfall of that board for me, and my poker slowly creeped his way back into becoming my daily board. This board maybe the best of both worlds.
You could always just snag the regular version from EK and get a set of blank black caps.
Thought about it but i heard the space bar and shift arent compatible :(
Screw it just bought the new grey one, Now the waiting game XD. Woot back to topre! Thanks for the help guys the spacebar was my main concern.Maybe you can make more Topre KBK? I still dont have my first KBK :(
Screw it just bought the new grey one, Now the waiting game XD. Woot back to topre! Thanks for the help guys the spacebar was my main concern.
I just got the fc660c, too.
I had to try topre to see what it's about.
I like it so far. I don't know if I used it long enough to have a good opinion.
After the first week, I didn't realize how smooth it was until I went to use my old cherry switches. It makes you realize how scratchy cherry mx is. Granted I don't know how smooth cherry mx switches can be with a professional lubing.
They did feel fun to type on.
What lasts longer? Cherry mx switches or topre domes.
Just bought a grey one. I haven't bought a new keyboard in a long time. It's the combination of topre + small form factor + dedicated arrow keys. Should be awesome!!
Just bought a grey one. I haven't bought a new keyboard in a long time. It's the combination of topre + small form factor + dedicated arrow keys. Should be awesome!!
I have to admit, I still haven't gotten used to the separate arrow keys.
I'm so used to keeping my fingers on the home row on the poker using wasd. I feel like it slows me down.
Can anyone relatively qualified on the matter of Topre keycaps speculate whether the FC660C will be shown any love anytime soon? I can replace all my 1x1s with artisan caps given time, but I can't see myself getting into cap making just so I can have a bottom row that matches the rest of my keyboard. Or maybe a separation of alphas and modifiers so I can not feel sad after hypothetically picking up a full HHKB set.
My FC660C is on its way from the mechmarket, and I'm not too concerned with this keycap availability issue. But I am concerned that I will be very concerned in the future.
So many worries ahead : ' [
i plan a shapeways order very soon for some MX sliders for the modifiers when my leo gets here. Definitely opens the door for some very cool options to solve the non standard issues
just to confirm about the space bar mounting (for the fc660m cherry switches)
(The first one is the standard cherry space bar)
They have to change that, that's really annoying...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yN2LYfh.png)
I can barely tell the difference in weight between the 45g fc660c and the RF 55g.
Wasn't there some reviews talking about how some newer batches of the fc660c have heavier domes that may fall into a 50g range?
I can barely tell the difference in weight between the 45g fc660c and the RF 55g.
Wasn't there some reviews talking about how some newer batches of the fc660c have heavier domes that may fall into a 50g range?
What the hell! RF 55g cheaper than 660c? Elaborate that please!
^_^
What the hell! RF 55g cheaper than 660c? Elaborate that please!
^_^
What the hell! RF 55g cheaper than 660c? Elaborate that please!
^_^
Fc660c was the first topre board I tried. The rf55g was the second one.
The 55g rattles more on the way down as well as on the way up compared to the 660c.
The 55g has more cup-rubber farts.
I still like the 55g because of the weight. At first, I didn't notice much of a weight difference between both.
55g is the way to go.
My RF55G is definitely heavier than any FC660C, but I maintain that newer FC660Cs are heavier than older ones.
Just modded my fc660c with 55g domes.
I'm liking it but I have to bring it to work to run it through the gauntlet to make a final decision.
The spacebar is real heavy on it. I think it's cause of the spring built into the spacebar.
Just modded my fc660c with 55g domes.
I'm liking it but I have to bring it to work to run it through the gauntlet to make a final decision.
The spacebar is real heavy on it. I think it's cause of the spring built into the spacebar.
Bro, get that spring out of there. I remember when I first got my 660C, it was like near impossible to even space words at 100 WPM because it was so stiff, even at 45g. Getting the spacebar off the 660C is quite the pain tho... :P
Just modded my fc660c with 55g domes.
I'm liking it but I have to bring it to work to run it through the gauntlet to make a final decision.
The spacebar is real heavy on it. I think it's cause of the spring built into the spacebar.
Bro, get that spring out of there. I remember when I first got my 660C, it was like near impossible to even space words at 100 WPM because it was so stiff, even at 45g. Getting the spacebar off the 660C is quite the pain tho... :P
Darn! I shouldn't have put it together so soon.
How hard is it to remove? Is there a tutorial or imgur album that shows you how to remove it?
Just modded my fc660c with 55g domes.
I'm liking it but I have to bring it to work to run it through the gauntlet to make a final decision.
The spacebar is real heavy on it. I think it's cause of the spring built into the spacebar.
Bro, get that spring out of there. I remember when I first got my 660C, it was like near impossible to even space words at 100 WPM because it was so stiff, even at 45g. Getting the spacebar off the 660C is quite the pain tho... :P
Darn! I shouldn't have put it together so soon.
How hard is it to remove? Is there a tutorial or imgur album that shows you how to remove it?
Take off the mod keys on each side first so you have space for your fingers. Then stick your index and middle finger underneath both sides of the spacebar, and lever it off both sides, using your fingers as a sort-of-crowbar. One side at a time might be easier first but be sure to keep both fingers in on both sides while prying off one side. It helps, trust me. Make sure not to pull at the sides of the spacebar because you don't want to accidentally pull off one side too hard and breaking something. LEVER IT. It may hurt your fingers a lil' bit, which is why I recommend using both the index and middle finger. Using one finger will lead to finger-rape.
Just modded my fc660c with 55g domes.
I'm liking it but I have to bring it to work to run it through the gauntlet to make a final decision.
The spacebar is real heavy on it. I think it's cause of the spring built into the spacebar.
Bro, get that spring out of there. I remember when I first got my 660C, it was like near impossible to even space words at 100 WPM because it was so stiff, even at 45g. Getting the spacebar off the 660C is quite the pain tho... :P
Darn! I shouldn't have put it together so soon.
How hard is it to remove? Is there a tutorial or imgur album that shows you how to remove it?
Take off the mod keys on each side first so you have space for your fingers. Then stick your index and middle finger underneath both sides of the spacebar, and lever it off both sides, using your fingers as a sort-of-crowbar. One side at a time might be easier first but be sure to keep both fingers in on both sides while prying off one side. It helps, trust me. Make sure not to pull at the sides of the spacebar because you don't want to accidentally pull off one side too hard and breaking something. LEVER IT. It may hurt your fingers a lil' bit, which is why I recommend using both the index and middle finger. Using one finger will lead to finger-rape.
DUDE! i had a brick in my pants when i first took off the space bar! I was used to the HHKB and removing that spacebar was a breeze. The leopold has such resistance, i heard that initial snap on the 660c when i first took it off, im honestly terrified to remove it again...
Just modded my fc660c with 55g domes.
I'm liking it but I have to bring it to work to run it through the gauntlet to make a final decision.
The spacebar is real heavy on it. I think it's cause of the spring built into the spacebar.
Bro, get that spring out of there. I remember when I first got my 660C, it was like near impossible to even space words at 100 WPM because it was so stiff, even at 45g. Getting the spacebar off the 660C is quite the pain tho... :P
Darn! I shouldn't have put it together so soon.
How hard is it to remove? Is there a tutorial or imgur album that shows you how to remove it?
Take off the mod keys on each side first so you have space for your fingers. Then stick your index and middle finger underneath both sides of the spacebar, and lever it off both sides, using your fingers as a sort-of-crowbar. One side at a time might be easier first but be sure to keep both fingers in on both sides while prying off one side. It helps, trust me. Make sure not to pull at the sides of the spacebar because you don't want to accidentally pull off one side too hard and breaking something. LEVER IT. It may hurt your fingers a lil' bit, which is why I recommend using both the index and middle finger. Using one finger will lead to finger-rape.
DUDE! i had a brick in my pants when i first took off the space bar! I was used to the HHKB and removing that spacebar was a breeze. The leopold has such resistance, i heard that initial snap on the 660c when i first took it off, im honestly terrified to remove it again...
I just took off the space bar.
It wasn't too bad.
You have to pull it pretty hard off of the connection points.
I can't believe there was an extra spring in there.
It feels so much better without the spring.
I might have to try this I did notice myself not always hitting the scpacebar hard enough. Will a standard keycap puller work fine for the alt keys?
I might have to try this I did notice myself not always hitting the scpacebar hard enough. Will a standard keycap puller work fine for the alt keys?
Yep! It should be fine.
I might have to try this I did notice myself not always hitting the scpacebar hard enough. Will a standard keycap puller work fine for the alt keys?
Yep! It should be fine.
And by "standard" I'm assuming you mean this (http://www.amazon.com/WASD-Keyboards-Wire-Keycap-Puller/dp/B00AZCGF7K) and not those horrible plastic ones.
I might have to try this I did notice myself not always hitting the scpacebar hard enough. Will a standard keycap puller work fine for the alt keys?
Yep! It should be fine.
And by "standard" I'm assuming you mean this (http://www.amazon.com/WASD-Keyboards-Wire-Keycap-Puller/dp/B00AZCGF7K) and not those horrible plastic ones.
Nope I meant the horrible plastic ones. Will the horrible plastic ones not work?
I might have to try this I did notice myself not always hitting the scpacebar hard enough. Will a standard keycap puller work fine for the alt keys?
Yep! It should be fine.
And by "standard" I'm assuming you mean this (http://www.amazon.com/WASD-Keyboards-Wire-Keycap-Puller/dp/B00AZCGF7K) and not those horrible plastic ones.
Nope I meant the horrible plastic ones. Will the horrible plastic ones not work?
Just a note that the keycaps are MX, and the keyboard is Topre - they do not match (if you are buying both).
Ended up buying it, and so far I am loving it! Takes a while to get used to it, especially with the blank caps, but I am almost there! Loving the topre feel so far..
Anyone know how to get Crtl-Shift-Esc to work? If it can not be done from this keyboard I am going to have to get rid of it. It does not seem to work with this keyboard on any windows machine, so I have to plug in another keyboard just to do this one command. It's supper annoying.
Anyone know how to get Crtl-Shift-Esc to work? If it can not be done from this keyboard I am going to have to get rid of it. It does not seem to work with this keyboard on any windows machine, so I have to plug in another keyboard just to do this one command. It's supper annoying.
Did you make sure it was enabled? FN + Q toggles between ` and ESC.
Anyone know how to get Crtl-Shift-Esc to work? If it can not be done from this keyboard I am going to have to get rid of it. It does not seem to work with this keyboard on any windows machine, so I have to plug in another keyboard just to do this one command. It's supper annoying.
Did you make sure it was enabled? FN + Q toggles between ` and ESC.
Yea All the keys work individually just not together. Does it work for you? I might have to return this thing if it works for other people...
Anyone know how to get Crtl-Shift-Esc to work? If it can not be done from this keyboard I am going to have to get rid of it. It does not seem to work with this keyboard on any windows machine, so I have to plug in another keyboard just to do this one command. It's supper annoying.
Did you make sure it was enabled? FN + Q toggles between ` and ESC.
Yea All the keys work individually just not together. Does it work for you? I might have to return this thing if it works for other people...
Huh... you're right. It actually doesn't work. I never noticed that because I don't use CTRL+SHIFT+ESC to bring up the task manager. I usually just do WIN key then type 'taskm' or CTRL+ALT+DEL. Granted, it's not as fast as CTRL+SHIFT+ESC, but I'm pretty used to pulling it up quickly without using the CTRL+SHIFT+ESC combo.
Anyone know how to get Crtl-Shift-Esc to work? If it can not be done from this keyboard I am going to have to get rid of it. It does not seem to work with this keyboard on any windows machine, so I have to plug in another keyboard just to do this one command. It's supper annoying.
Did you make sure it was enabled? FN + Q toggles between ` and ESC.
Yea All the keys work individually just not together. Does it work for you? I might have to return this thing if it works for other people...
Huh... you're right. It actually doesn't work. I never noticed that because I don't use CTRL+SHIFT+ESC to bring up the task manager. I usually just do WIN key then type 'taskm' or CTRL+ALT+DEL. Granted, it's not as fast as CTRL+SHIFT+ESC, but I'm pretty used to pulling it up quickly without using the CTRL+SHIFT+ESC combo.
Yea that's not going to fly for me as I use this shortcut constantly to kill runaway processes or when my IDE or server crashes. I mean if they keyboard is going to make my life harder to have nice keys to type on then it is no good to me. Besides Crtl-Alt-Del does not work since I have to work through a VM, it will lauch the options menu for the physical machine and not the VM. To Launch the options screen for the VM I would ned to press "Ctrl-Alt-Fn-," and that is getting ridiculous. For now I just have a second keyboard plugged in to launch the task manager.
Anyone know how to get Crtl-Shift-Esc to work? If it can not be done from this keyboard I am going to have to get rid of it. It does not seem to work with this keyboard on any windows machine, so I have to plug in another keyboard just to do this one command. It's supper annoying.
Did you make sure it was enabled? FN + Q toggles between ` and ESC.
Yea All the keys work individually just not together. Does it work for you? I might have to return this thing if it works for other people...
Huh... you're right. It actually doesn't work. I never noticed that because I don't use CTRL+SHIFT+ESC to bring up the task manager. I usually just do WIN key then type 'taskm' or CTRL+ALT+DEL. Granted, it's not as fast as CTRL+SHIFT+ESC, but I'm pretty used to pulling it up quickly without using the CTRL+SHIFT+ESC combo.
Yea that's not going to fly for me as I use this shortcut constantly to kill runaway processes or when my IDE or server crashes. I mean if they keyboard is going to make my life harder to have nice keys to type on then it is no good to me. Besides Crtl-Alt-Del does not work since I have to work through a VM, it will lauch the options menu for the physical machine and not the VM. To Launch the options screen for the VM I would ned to press "Ctrl-Alt-Fn-," and that is getting ridiculous. For now I just have a second keyboard plugged in to launch the task manager.
It's weird that it doesn't work. This is the first time I've heard of this issue with the FC660C.
Anyone know how to get Crtl-Shift-Esc to work? If it can not be done from this keyboard I am going to have to get rid of it. It does not seem to work with this keyboard on any windows machine, so I have to plug in another keyboard just to do this one command. It's supper annoying.
Did you make sure it was enabled? FN + Q toggles between ` and ESC.
Yea All the keys work individually just not together. Does it work for you? I might have to return this thing if it works for other people...
Huh... you're right. It actually doesn't work. I never noticed that because I don't use CTRL+SHIFT+ESC to bring up the task manager. I usually just do WIN key then type 'taskm' or CTRL+ALT+DEL. Granted, it's not as fast as CTRL+SHIFT+ESC, but I'm pretty used to pulling it up quickly without using the CTRL+SHIFT+ESC combo.
Yea that's not going to fly for me as I use this shortcut constantly to kill runaway processes or when my IDE or server crashes. I mean if they keyboard is going to make my life harder to have nice keys to type on then it is no good to me. Besides Crtl-Alt-Del does not work since I have to work through a VM, it will lauch the options menu for the physical machine and not the VM. To Launch the options screen for the VM I would ned to press "Ctrl-Alt-Fn-," and that is getting ridiculous. For now I just have a second keyboard plugged in to launch the task manager.
It's weird that it doesn't work. This is the first time I've heard of this issue with the FC660C.
I sent a support email to elitekeyboards. It was driving me crazy at home since I'm putting together a windows server essentials 2012 box. I thought maybe they had removed that feature until I got into work and had the same problem.
It's a real bummer, I wonder if I will be able to return the keyboard for something else, returning for the same model isn't really going to gain me anything, and it's not like this defect was disclosed on the site... but I use that shortcut many times a day and it's been driving me nuts. I really liked the keyboard otherwise though, it's growing on me quickly, which I noticed more when going back to my cherry board after using the FC660C all day, but at least the shortcut works on the cherry board...For $250 It would be nice if I could access task manager like all of my other keyboards can do.
Maybe a realforce 45g is in my near future then. I wonder if the Leo is closer to the 45g or the 55g weighted board.
How about using autohotkey to create a macro?
Instead of Ctrl-Shift-Esc you can right-click on the task bar and select Start Task Manager ;D
Hi Justin,
Leopold is aware of this issue, as it is the same on all FC660s, but they do not see it as a bug.
And no, we don't think it is a great design, so I'm sorry if you feel like we've somehow misled you into buying this board, but I think it is disingenuous of you to say you cannot perform your job efficiently by not being able to open the task manager using this key combination. Please excuse my digression, but while I understand your frustration, sending this kind of drivel to our support mailbox is irritating.
If you're not satisfied with the board then I'm glad to offer you a refund and issue an return authorization.
Best regards,
Brian
Instead of Ctrl-Shift-Esc you can right-click on the task bar and select Start Task Manager ;D
I'll have to remember that one, granted scrolling in nested VM's to to the taskbar isn't very fun.
I got an email from EK.QuoteHi Justin,
Leopold is aware of this issue, as it is the same on all FC660s, but they do not see it as a bug.
And no, we don't think it is a great design, so I'm sorry if you feel like we've somehow misled you into buying this board, but I think it is disingenuous of you to say you cannot perform your job efficiently by not being able to open the task manager using this key combination. Please excuse my digression, but while I understand your frustration, sending this kind of drivel to our support mailbox is irritating.
If you're not satisfied with the board then I'm glad to offer you a refund and issue an return authorization.
Best regards,
Brian
probably just going to deal with the issues though.
Instead of Ctrl-Shift-Esc you can right-click on the task bar and select Start Task Manager ;D
I'll have to remember that one, granted scrolling in nested VM's to to the taskbar isn't very fun.
I got an email from EK.QuoteHi Justin,
Leopold is aware of this issue, as it is the same on all FC660s, but they do not see it as a bug.
And no, we don't think it is a great design, so I'm sorry if you feel like we've somehow misled you into buying this board, but I think it is disingenuous of you to say you cannot perform your job efficiently by not being able to open the task manager using this key combination. Please excuse my digression, but while I understand your frustration, sending this kind of drivel to our support mailbox is irritating.
If you're not satisfied with the board then I'm glad to offer you a refund and issue an return authorization.
Best regards,
Brian
probably just going to deal with the issues though.
Well.... that settles that. That was a very honest response from Brian.
Well I probably did make the issue out to be more serious than it is. I think maybe he was just having a bad day or something I dunno. At least he answered the question.
How I have been searching for the link on how to silence this board and I'm wondering what is the best way to do it? Dental bands? soft landing pads? krytox?
Well I probably did make the issue out to be more serious than it is. I think maybe he was just having a bad day or something I dunno. At least he answered the question.
How I have been searching for the link on how to silence this board and I'm wondering what is the best way to do it? Dental bands? soft landing pads? krytox?
Fair enough, but if he's happy to offer a return then he can leave it at "Sorry you're unhappy, provide us the required info and we'll process the return". Customer service isn't hard, I haven't had to do it in years. If this is how he handles e-mails on his support inbox he should consider hiring someone with a nicer disposition for the job, or even just walking away from his keyboard for 5 minutes before hitting send. If I had berated every customer I dealt with whose excuse for the return was convoluted I would have had a lot more angry customers or a lot less of them returning to spend money.
To get back on topic, I did the dental band mod with krytox lube from techkeys on two different FC660Cs and it works fantastically. Very happy with the results and feel.
Well I probably did make the issue out to be more serious than it is. I think maybe he was just having a bad day or something I dunno. At least he answered the question.
How I have been searching for the link on how to silence this board and I'm wondering what is the best way to do it? Dental bands? soft landing pads? krytox?
Fair enough, but if he's happy to offer a return then he can leave it at "Sorry you're unhappy, provide us the required info and we'll process the return". Customer service isn't hard, I haven't had to do it in years. If this is how he handles e-mails on his support inbox he should consider hiring someone with a nicer disposition for the job, or even just walking away from his keyboard for 5 minutes before hitting send. If I had berated every customer I dealt with whose excuse for the return was convoluted I would have had a lot more angry customers or a lot less of them returning to spend money.
To get back on topic, I did the dental band mod with krytox lube from techkeys on two different FC660Cs and it works fantastically. Very happy with the results and feel.
Is there a thread that shows where to apply the bands and the krytox? I must be searching for the wrong thing.
Well I probably did make the issue out to be more serious than it is. I think maybe he was just having a bad day or something I dunno. At least he answered the question.
How I have been searching for the link on how to silence this board and I'm wondering what is the best way to do it? Dental bands? soft landing pads? krytox?
Fair enough, but if he's happy to offer a return then he can leave it at "Sorry you're unhappy, provide us the required info and we'll process the return". Customer service isn't hard, I haven't had to do it in years. If this is how he handles e-mails on his support inbox he should consider hiring someone with a nicer disposition for the job, or even just walking away from his keyboard for 5 minutes before hitting send. If I had berated every customer I dealt with whose excuse for the return was convoluted I would have had a lot more angry customers or a lot less of them returning to spend money.
To get back on topic, I did the dental band mod with krytox lube from techkeys on two different FC660Cs and it works fantastically. Very happy with the results and feel.
Is there a thread that shows where to apply the bands and the krytox? I must be searching for the wrong thing.
Slide the dental bands to the bottom of the sliders and put the krytox on the top all the way down to the dental band.
Well I probably did make the issue out to be more serious than it is. I think maybe he was just having a bad day or something I dunno. At least he answered the question.
How I have been searching for the link on how to silence this board and I'm wondering what is the best way to do it? Dental bands? soft landing pads? krytox?
Fair enough, but if he's happy to offer a return then he can leave it at "Sorry you're unhappy, provide us the required info and we'll process the return". Customer service isn't hard, I haven't had to do it in years. If this is how he handles e-mails on his support inbox he should consider hiring someone with a nicer disposition for the job, or even just walking away from his keyboard for 5 minutes before hitting send. If I had berated every customer I dealt with whose excuse for the return was convoluted I would have had a lot more angry customers or a lot less of them returning to spend money.
To get back on topic, I did the dental band mod with krytox lube from techkeys on two different FC660Cs and it works fantastically. Very happy with the results and feel.
Is there a thread that shows where to apply the bands and the krytox? I must be searching for the wrong thing.
Slide the dental bands to the bottom of the sliders and put the krytox on the top all the way down to the dental band.
Thanks, I have not taken apart a topre switch before, are the sliders easy to remove? is this the lube you are all recommending?
http://www.amazon.com/DuPont-Krytox-General-Purpose-Grease/dp/B004568IC2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403560909&sr=8-1&keywords=krytox
Or should I get one of these options?
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=61
Well I probably did make the issue out to be more serious than it is. I think maybe he was just having a bad day or something I dunno. At least he answered the question.
How I have been searching for the link on how to silence this board and I'm wondering what is the best way to do it? Dental bands? soft landing pads? krytox?
Fair enough, but if he's happy to offer a return then he can leave it at "Sorry you're unhappy, provide us the required info and we'll process the return". Customer service isn't hard, I haven't had to do it in years. If this is how he handles e-mails on his support inbox he should consider hiring someone with a nicer disposition for the job, or even just walking away from his keyboard for 5 minutes before hitting send. If I had berated every customer I dealt with whose excuse for the return was convoluted I would have had a lot more angry customers or a lot less of them returning to spend money.
To get back on topic, I did the dental band mod with krytox lube from techkeys on two different FC660Cs and it works fantastically. Very happy with the results and feel.
Is there a thread that shows where to apply the bands and the krytox? I must be searching for the wrong thing.
Slide the dental bands to the bottom of the sliders and put the krytox on the top all the way down to the dental band.
Thanks, I have not taken apart a topre switch before, are the sliders easy to remove? is this the lube you are all recommending?
http://www.amazon.com/DuPont-Krytox-General-Purpose-Grease/dp/B004568IC2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403560909&sr=8-1&keywords=krytox
Or should I get one of these options?
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=61
What about this stuff? It is considerably cheaper? http://www.amazon.com/Finish-Line-Extreme-Fluoro-Syringe/dp/B002L5UL92/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1403560909&sr=8-5&keywords=krytox
What about this stuff? It is considerably cheaper? http://www.amazon.com/Finish-Line-Extreme-Fluoro-Syringe/dp/B002L5UL92/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1403560909&sr=8-5&keywords=krytoxI've seen people use this before, but mostly for stabs
Honest and straight up douchey, if you ask me. If he's going to offer a refund anyways why bother shaming the customer with that bull**** line about his concern being drivel? Totally unnecessary and terribly unprofessional. If the customer's product doesn't perform as expected (there's no reason to expect a standard key combination doesn't work) and he's dissatisfied it's not drivel, it's his opinion. I've bought 2 boards and multiple keycaps from EK but probably won't give them my business again after reading his arrogant response to a genuine inquiry. What an *******.
There's every reason to expect some standard key combinations won't work.
There's every reason to expect some standard key combinations won't work.
Can't say I agree with that. But the bigger point is, EK's response was a rotten way to talk to anyone, much less a customer. I have made many purchases from EK but this makes me want to cut them off forever.
http://imgur.com/a/gxpEi (http://imgur.com/a/gxpEi)
This might help too for specific instructions on taking the fc660c apart: http://imgur.com/a/duUmk (http://imgur.com/a/duUmk)
Dyslexic was kind enough to provide those links for me a while back.
@Dyslexic: I keep forgetting to meet up with you to pick up those dental bands! I can drop by your area after I get off work. PM me when you're free! :)
http://imgur.com/a/gxpEi (http://imgur.com/a/gxpEi)
This might help too for specific instructions on taking the fc660c apart: http://imgur.com/a/duUmk (http://imgur.com/a/duUmk)
Dyslexic was kind enough to provide those links for me a while back.
@Dyslexic: I keep forgetting to meet up with you to pick up those dental bands! I can drop by your area after I get off work. PM me when you're free! :)
Hey :) I should still have enough bands and krytox for a third FC660C mod, just let me confirm tonight. I ended up picking up a second FC660C and modding it. I'll drop you a line after work this evening to confirm.
Also, I used these (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEON-1-8-LIGHT-2-5-oz-ORTHODONTIC-ELASTIC-BRACES-DENTAL-RUBBER-BANDS-/141017868936?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160) bands, not the 3/16" ones in the link you provided as I'm pretty sure they do less to reduce key travel and are a bit thinner. See the picture below for where to lube. This is a modified pic from Dustinhxc's mod log on his HHKB but the principle is the same. You do not lube the whole slider, just where the slider contacts the plate/housing (while the slider is removed) to reduce the upstroke plastic on plastic clack. You only need to put a very small amount of krytox in those crevices.
http://imgur.com/a/gxpEi (http://imgur.com/a/gxpEi)
This might help too for specific instructions on taking the fc660c apart: http://imgur.com/a/duUmk (http://imgur.com/a/duUmk)
Dyslexic was kind enough to provide those links for me a while back.
@Dyslexic: I keep forgetting to meet up with you to pick up those dental bands! I can drop by your area after I get off work. PM me when you're free! :)
Hey :) I should still have enough bands and krytox for a third FC660C mod, just let me confirm tonight. I ended up picking up a second FC660C and modding it. I'll drop you a line after work this evening to confirm.
Also, I used these (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEON-1-8-LIGHT-2-5-oz-ORTHODONTIC-ELASTIC-BRACES-DENTAL-RUBBER-BANDS-/141017868936?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160) bands, not the 3/16" ones in the link you provided as I'm pretty sure they do less to reduce key travel and are a bit thinner. See the picture below for where to lube. This is a modified pic from Dustinhxc's mod log on his HHKB but the principle is the same. You do not lube the whole slider, just where the slider contacts the plate/housing (while the slider is removed) to reduce the upstroke plastic on plastic clack. You only need to put a very small amount of krytox in those crevices.
Here are some pics of mine, unfortunately they didn't turn out to well.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EncbGJD.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FosFM3F.jpg)
Here are some pics of mine, unfortunately they didn't turn out to well.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EncbGJD.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FosFM3F.jpg)
Is the lens on the camera being used to take these pictures fish-eye or something? Your board looks wickedly wonky. I have 2 modded FC660Cs and they look nothing like that. Visually, you would never know the mod was even performed. Did you put the dental bands on the very bottom of the stems before reassembly?
Anyone know if I am supposed to put dental bands on the stabilized key stems? I'm a little worried about disassembling those.
BTW even without the stab keys oringed this mod just brought this keyboard from excellent to amazing. I think the keys do feel a little smoother not that they were bad before but the stabs seems to have quieted down a little and the rest of the keys sound amazing now. Why aren't they doing this from the factory!
The finish line extreme floro grease seems to be working great. It seems really light weight but not gooey or slugish at all.
Editing for a midway update: I just have to say WOW again, just "WOW" everyone should be doing this if they are confident enough to take this sucker apart, the difference is phenomenal!
I did the dental band mod with krytox lube from techkeys on two different FC660Cs and it works fantastically. Very happy with the results and feel.
Anyone know if I am supposed to put dental bands on the stabilized key stems? I'm a little worried about disassembling those.
BTW even without the stab keys oringed this mod just brought this keyboard from excellent to amazing. I think the keys do feel a little smoother not that they were bad before but the stabs seems to have quieted down a little and the rest of the keys sound amazing now. Why aren't they doing this from the factory!
The finish line extreme floro grease seems to be working great. It seems really light weight but not gooey or slugish at all.
Editing for a midway update: I just have to say WOW again, just "WOW" everyone should be doing this if they are confident enough to take this sucker apart, the difference is phenomenal!
You think from all the positive testimonials in this thread about silencing the FC660C, they'd release a silent version already!I did the dental band mod with krytox lube from techkeys on two different FC660Cs and it works fantastically. Very happy with the results and feel.
Dyslexic, did you use a thin or thick formula from techkeys? I believe dustinhxc used a very thick formula for his HHKB. Is that what you would recommend?
Anyone know if I am supposed to put dental bands on the stabilized key stems? I'm a little worried about disassembling those.
BTW even without the stab keys oringed this mod just brought this keyboard from excellent to amazing. I think the keys do feel a little smoother not that they were bad before but the stabs seems to have quieted down a little and the rest of the keys sound amazing now. Why aren't they doing this from the factory!
The finish line extreme floro grease seems to be working great. It seems really light weight but not gooey or slugish at all.
Editing for a midway update: I just have to say WOW again, just "WOW" everyone should be doing this if they are confident enough to take this sucker apart, the difference is phenomenal!
You think from all the positive testimonials in this thread about silencing the FC660C, they'd release a silent version already!I did the dental band mod with krytox lube from techkeys on two different FC660Cs and it works fantastically. Very happy with the results and feel.
Dyslexic, did you use a thin or thick formula from techkeys? I believe dustinhxc used a very thick formula for his HHKB. Is that what you would recommend?
Anyone know if I am supposed to put dental bands on the stabilized key stems? I'm a little worried about disassembling those.
BTW even without the stab keys oringed this mod just brought this keyboard from excellent to amazing. I think the keys do feel a little smoother not that they were bad before but the stabs seems to have quieted down a little and the rest of the keys sound amazing now. Why aren't they doing this from the factory!
The finish line extreme floro grease seems to be working great. It seems really light weight but not gooey or slugish at all.
Editing for a midway update: I just have to say WOW again, just "WOW" everyone should be doing this if they are confident enough to take this sucker apart, the difference is phenomenal!
You think from all the positive testimonials in this thread about silencing the FC660C, they'd release a silent version already!I did the dental band mod with krytox lube from techkeys on two different FC660Cs and it works fantastically. Very happy with the results and feel.
Dyslexic, did you use a thin or thick formula from techkeys? I believe dustinhxc used a very thick formula for his HHKB. Is that what you would recommend?
Anyone know if I am supposed to put dental bands on the stabilized key stems? I'm a little worried about disassembling those.
BTW even without the stab keys oringed this mod just brought this keyboard from excellent to amazing. I think the keys do feel a little smoother not that they were bad before but the stabs seems to have quieted down a little and the rest of the keys sound amazing now. Why aren't they doing this from the factory!
The finish line extreme floro grease seems to be working great. It seems really light weight but not gooey or slugish at all.
Editing for a midway update: I just have to say WOW again, just "WOW" everyone should be doing this if they are confident enough to take this sucker apart, the difference is phenomenal!
You think from all the positive testimonials in this thread about silencing the FC660C, they'd release a silent version already!I did the dental band mod with krytox lube from techkeys on two different FC660Cs and it works fantastically. Very happy with the results and feel.
Dyslexic, did you use a thin or thick formula from techkeys? I believe dustinhxc used a very thick formula for his HHKB. Is that what you would recommend?
I used thick for my keyboard, I believe on techkeys they had 3 options (thin, thick and very thick). I can't speak to the alternative lubes cause I didn't use them. PS, I have more than 66 elastics remaining so if you want them they're yours.
That's what I have. The problem is, with the keyboard attached, there are only so many places you can put the Surface to type and they all get uncomfortable relatively quickly. That and the keyboard has virtually no bounce, so the impact on the finger joints is very pronounced. I'm also most done with my ErgoDox and I've got some crowdfunding keyboards to throw my money at, but, the more I read, the more I think the Leopold will be part of a very nice Christmas present to myself (and my fingers). Provided the other keyboards aren't the most wonderful things ever. Or not. I may get it just to see what this Topre business is all about.
Was the FC660C only limited production? Or why can't I find it anywhere? I only saw it on aliexpress for 295$+ ~100$ shipping (with 19% import VAT that would be 475$ with shipping to Germany).
Great review, just purchased one and eagerly waiting its arrival!
Great review, just purchased one and eagerly waiting its arrival!
Great review, just purchased one and eagerly waiting its arrival!
Great purchase, you wont regret it! One of the snappiest topre boards, a bit louder because of the plate. She sings beautifully though
Great review, just purchased one and eagerly waiting its arrival!
Older thread, but given the section it is in (reviews) please post your (brief, if you like) review of it when it arrives!
Great review, just purchased one and eagerly waiting its arrival!
Great purchase, you wont regret it! One of the snappiest topre boards, a bit louder because of the plate. She sings beautifully though
I ended up not being able to find a topre version of it unfortunately. Im really wanting to try a Topre board, but don't know anyone with one!
Great review, just purchased one and eagerly waiting its arrival!
Older thread, but given the section it is in (reviews) please post your (brief, if you like) review of it when it arrives!
Im defiantly going to be giving it a review. It's only my second mechanical board and Im really thrilled to have gotten it, especially since I am in college and am learning to program!
Great review, just purchased one and eagerly waiting its arrival!
Great purchase, you wont regret it! One of the snappiest topre boards, a bit louder because of the plate. She sings beautifully though
I ended up not being able to find a topre version of it unfortunately. Im really wanting to try a Topre board, but don't know anyone with one!
Great review, just purchased one and eagerly waiting its arrival!
Older thread, but given the section it is in (reviews) please post your (brief, if you like) review of it when it arrives!
Im defiantly going to be giving it a review. It's only my second mechanical board and Im really thrilled to have gotten it, especially since I am in college and am learning to program!
So you have the Cherry MX version, the FC660M?
I have two coming in the next weeks/months. And I already have the Topre one, the FC660C. Typing on it ATM.
Where can I find a FC660C with reasonable price? I think it is supposed to be cheaper than HHKB, but those FC660C I found on eBay are all more than 210 dollars, which are more expensive than ordering a HHKB from Japan plus shipping.
Are there any differences in the gray, blue and white/gray variants of Leopold FC660C - actuation force, typing feel, build-quailty etc?
How loud is the Leopold?
How loud is the Leopold?
It is very quiet, one of the quietest keyboards I own. To my ear, it's quieter than an HHKB. The Leopold still has that characteristic thock, but it's a slightly deadened sound compared to the HHKB. I would also consider it quieter than any MX switch since it's not as loud of a bottoming out sound.
Here's a decent comparison between the FC660C, HHKB, and MX Brown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ibtKN32r1U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ibtKN32r1U)
I'm considering an F660C. A while back there was some discussion about modding the controller. Did anyone pursue that? I wasn't able to find much recent info. I love my HHKB+Hasu's mod, but holding the Fn layer all the time is driving me mad.
A question for users of this board and HHKB: does the different layout above enter (backspace, |/, ~, etc) cause you trouble on the F660? This part of the HHKB is fantastic.
-R
I'm considering an F660C. A while back there was some discussion about modding the controller. Did anyone pursue that? I wasn't able to find much recent info. I love my HHKB+Hasu's mod, but holding the Fn layer all the time is driving me mad.
A question for users of this board and HHKB: does the different layout above enter (backspace, |/, ~, etc) cause you trouble on the F660? This part of the HHKB is fantastic.
-R
I think Matt3o was looking into making a new "brain" for the fc660c. I was hoping I would have heard something about it by now.
I think the fc660c isn't as popular as I think it should be.
I own a FC660M and I'm interested in buying the FC660C. Does anyone around here prefer one over the other? Which one do you like better? I love my FC660M with clear MX switches but the sound of the topre switches on a FC660C is just so satisfying. I'm not sure if the 45g topre switch would be too soft.
I own a FC660M and I'm interested in buying the FC660C. Does anyone around here prefer one over the other? Which one do you like better? I love my FC660M with clear MX switches but the sound of the topre switches on a FC660C is just so satisfying. I'm not sure if the 45g topre switch would be too soft.I have the fc660c. I sold the fc660m mx-blue to a friend of mine.
I'm also excited to get the slider stem replacements from Bunny's gb so I can replace the key caps and space bar.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71630.0
I'm also excited to get the slider stem replacements from Bunny's gb so I can replace the key caps and space bar.
Do you have a link to that group buy thread?
I think the fc660c isn't as popular as I think it should be.
I think the fc660c and fc660m are underrated.
I think the fc660c isn't as popular as I think it should be.
I can't agree more with this. I was just reading henz's review of the HHKB and he's difficulties with the layout while he loves the switches and i was thinking about the Leopold and it's more standard design while still be being very small and how good the keys feel.
I use my 660c at work where i do most of my typing (coworkers were amazed how good it looks and some even mentioned how good it sounds) and now I don't enjoy my MX keyboards that i have at home anymore.
I don't want to get another Leopold at home, I don't think I'd enjoy the HHKB layout so maybe I'll try a TKless Realforce, would just have to choose between a 45 or 55g.
I think the fc660c and fc660m are underrated.
I think the fc660c isn't as popular as I think it should be.
I can't agree more with this. I was just reading henz's review of the HHKB and he's difficulties with the layout while he loves the switches and i was thinking about the Leopold and it's more standard design while still be being very small and how good the keys feel.
I use my 660c at work where i do most of my typing (coworkers were amazed how good it looks and some even mentioned how good it sounds) and now I don't enjoy my MX keyboards that i have at home anymore.
I don't want to get another Leopold at home, I don't think I'd enjoy the HHKB layout so maybe I'll try a TKless Realforce, would just have to choose between a 45 or 55g.
They have a good minimal form factor.
They keep the arrow keys.
Decent function layer.
I just want programmability, mx keycap compatibility, and an aluminum case.
I think the fc660c and fc660m are underrated.
I think the fc660c isn't as popular as I think it should be.
I can't agree more with this. I was just reading henz's review of the HHKB and he's difficulties with the layout while he loves the switches and i was thinking about the Leopold and it's more standard design while still be being very small and how good the keys feel.
I use my 660c at work where i do most of my typing (coworkers were amazed how good it looks and some even mentioned how good it sounds) and now I don't enjoy my MX keyboards that i have at home anymore.
I don't want to get another Leopold at home, I don't think I'd enjoy the HHKB layout so maybe I'll try a TKless Realforce, would just have to choose between a 45 or 55g.
They have a good minimal form factor.
They keep the arrow keys.
Decent function layer.
I just want programmability, mx keycap compatibility, and an aluminum case.
So I have an FC660C and the mini-usb connector is a bit loose. It wiggles and loses connection frequently. Has anyone had this problem before? I would prefer not to do any soldering and use some glue or something, as I've never done soldered anything before; but of course if thats the only way to fix it I could figure it out.
I had hug problem with the usb plug. Wrong contact then I saw that it was nearly unsoldered. I've resoldere it but it's not gonna stay soldered a long time.
I had hug problem with the usb plug. Wrong contact then I saw that it was nearly unsoldered. I've resoldere it but it's not gonna stay soldered a long time.
Connector on your 660C is like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AwBqTnb.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CckNmFk.jpg)
Or this?
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
Second one is white, china made 660C
I had hug problem with the usb plug. Wrong contact then I saw that it was nearly unsoldered. I've resoldere it but it's not gonna stay soldered a long time.
Connector on your 660C is like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AwBqTnb.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CckNmFk.jpg)
Or this?
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
Second one is white, china made 660C
I'm not too knowledgable about this kind of stuff but I'm guessing the 2nd set is more secure?
Just got my FC660C ..
Love it :D very stoked.
Now to sell off some of my MX boards to justify the price it cost me to get it here from the US.
How difficult is it to get a Fc660c to work on a Mac? How can I map or reprogram it? I say this with no coding experience :)
Just got my FC660C ..
Love it :D very stoked.
Now to sell off some of my MX boards to justify the price it cost me to get it here from the US.
Be careful with the usb female plug. Hope you don't get the same as me.
Just got my FC660C ..
Love it :D very stoked.
Now to sell off some of my MX boards to justify the price it cost me to get it here from the US.
Be careful with the usb female plug. Hope you don't get the same as me.
Whats the issue? What should I be doing??
I want Leopold 660c , but layout is little bit hard , F1 row is gone !
I want Leopold 660c , but layout is little bit hard , F1 row is gone !
Still there, just need to use the number keys with the Fn key. Once mine arrives I'll be swapping the Fn and Windows keys so I can use the arrow keys as home/end/page up/page down without stressing the fingers on one hand.
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I've been looking to replace the topre sliders with MX compatible ones. The novatouch sliders are on CM's store but you can't buy them right now, only wishlist them. And i'm a little hesitant to buy the topre/mx sliders on Aliexpress. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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I've read reports of the Aliexpress sliders being scratchier than stock.
Check out the JTK Sophomore GB in the Group Buys subforum. Topre to MX sliders are available there. I ordered a set for my FC660C, but they ship on Friday so I can't comment on how they feel. They look shiny (smooth) in the pictures.
PM BunnyLake to buy a set if you're interested.
Do any of you guys notice the rubber feet coming off easily? I've had 2 fc660c boards and the rubber feet keep coming off after some use. :(
Do any of you guys notice the rubber feet coming off easily? I've had 2 fc660c boards and the rubber feet keep coming off after some use. :(
Have you received your Topre to MX sliders? If so how are they. I recently received a FC660C and I'm rather curious how the sliders are. That being said, to a degree it is a little silly since the keycaps that come with the board are pretty good to begin with.. . .
I've been looking to replace the topre sliders with MX compatible ones. The novatouch sliders are on CM's store but you can't buy them right now, only wishlist them. And i'm a little hesitant to buy the topre/mx sliders on Aliexpress. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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I've read reports of the Aliexpress sliders being scratchier than stock.
Check out the JTK Sophomore GB in the Group Buys subforum. Topre to MX sliders are available there. I ordered a set for my FC660C, but they ship on Friday so I can't comment on how they feel. They look shiny (smooth) in the pictures.
PM BunnyLake to buy a set if you're interested.
I'm interested in picking one of these up. Been sizing up an HHKB but these two come out to about the same price and I'm interested to hear what people have to say. If I'm not mistaken the Leopold is plate-mounted so the feel should be more similar to a RF than to an HHKB? The stubby rShift and the FN placement (ideally I'd like to swap rctrl and Fn) on this are the only things that are sort of pushing me away, cause I've gotten used to the poker's layout, but I'd have to get used to the placement of the Backspace (and also the stubby rshift as well) on the HHKB. My Realforce is still in the mail so I'm waiting to pull the trigger on this but I'd appreciate some insight on how it feels vs an HHKB/RF. Upside on the HHKB is that I could get it running TMK as well, but I realistically don't see me changing much of the Layer 0 layout as much as changing up the Fn layer, and I heard the media keys only work in mac?
Has anyone been able to hook up a teensy to this thing? I know matt3o tried a few years ago. Anything successful recently?
Has anyone been able to hook up a teensy to this thing? I know matt3o tried a few years ago. Anything successful recently?
i was just reading a post on DT called "Can we design the teensy alternative for keyboards?"
where user “derzemel” asked about if that particular controller could be used for the FC660C.
Matt3o answerd on “11-may-2016”;
theoretically, yes but the FC660C has not been fully reverse engineered yet
here’s the link page 10 of 23 as of this post.
https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/can-we-design-the-teensy-alternative-for-keyboards-t13662-270.html?hilit=FC660C
most of what is talked about here goes wel over my head.
i was just looking around for a teensy to put in both my FC660C and FC660M with mx-clears.
i guess the final answer is no , alas no teensy for us yet.
btw i emailed https://1upkeyboards.com a while back telling them i would be interested in buying two controllers for both my
FC660C/M models if they would ever consider making them ;D
I'm interested in picking one of these up. Been sizing up an HHKB but these two come out to about the same price and I'm interested to hear what people have to say. If I'm not mistaken the Leopold is plate-mounted so the feel should be more similar to a RF than to an HHKB? The stubby rShift and the FN placement (ideally I'd like to swap rctrl and Fn) on this are the only things that are sort of pushing me away, cause I've gotten used to the poker's layout, but I'd have to get used to the placement of the Backspace (and also the stubby rshift as well) on the HHKB. My Realforce is still in the mail so I'm waiting to pull the trigger on this but I'd appreciate some insight on how it feels vs an HHKB/RF. Upside on the HHKB is that I could get it running TMK as well, but I realistically don't see me changing much of the Layer 0 layout as much as changing up the Fn layer, and I heard the media keys only work in mac?The FC660C was my first Topre board. I liked the solid feel, but at the time, there were no keycap options and I found the stock caps unattractive. I also didn't like the in-between form factor -- I favor 60%, TKL, or full-size, but not the various twilight-zone boards that fall in between these main types. Finally, I did not like the layout of the right half of the bottom row. I ended up giving the board away.
This thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76088.0) compares RealForce with HHKB, might be of interest if you haven't seen it already.
The FC660C was my first Topre board. I liked the solid feel, but at the time, there were no keycap options and I found the stock caps unattractive. I also didn't like the in-between form factor -- I favor 60%, TKL, or full-size, but not the various twilight-zone boards that fall in between these main types. Finally, I did not like the layout of the right half of the bottom row. I ended up giving the board away.Thanks guys. I went ahead and got a Leopold because I heard they're really sturdy and I heard great things about the feel too. The backspace placement on the HHKB is what really kills it for me, I think. After getting the 660C though, I have to say, the build quality on the thing is supreme: It's dense, and has a great sound and feel. The feel is arguably better than the Realforce I think, it feels a little snappier but it's hard to put into words. I think I'm still inclined to test out an HHKB at some point though, it just felt a little too much to buy into blindly, personally. Only thing that's kind of strange is that it's off-white so the replacement spacebar I got doesn't quite fit but other than that it's pretty incredible.
Since then, I've owned the RF87UB45, RF87UB55, Novatouch, and HHKB Pro 2. I've installed my Silencing Rings on all of them and lubed the stabilizers and switch rails with Superlube 51010. My favorite among these Topre-switch boards is the HHKB.
The HHKB has all the features I like: 60% form factor, HHKB layout, attractive styling, superb dye-sub PBT keycaps, and Topre switches. BTW, I put 55g domes in one of my HHKBs that I use at work, but I prefer the standard 45g domes.
Yes, the media keys on the HHKB only work on the Mac, but I do not really miss them -- I usually control the volume from the system tray icon using the mouse.
Another thing people often mention is that the switches in the HHKB are case-mounted rather than plate-mounted as in the RF87U or FC660C. I like the solid plate-mounted feel of the switches in the RF, NT, or FC660C, but I also like and prefer the springier feel of the case-mounted switches in the HHKB. The case-mounted switches in the HHKB seem to be more forgiving -- more flexible -- and less tiring than the harsher unyielding feel of the plate-mounted switches in the RF, NT, and FC660C boards.
If I purchased the black 660c with the all gray pbt caps, would anyone be interested in swapping the white alphas off your white 660c? That would essentially swap the cap design on both boards.
Has anyone bought an FC660C from the latest stock from mechanicalkeyboards.com?
Wondering if their stock has the light top row or not...
My FC660C from widebasket has the light top row :(
Has anyone bought an FC660C from the latest stock from mechanicalkeyboards.com?If you're referring to the white one, I bought one in white from mechanicalkeyboards.com on the 5th and the number row is all white sans the backspace and escape keys.
Wondering if their stock has the light top row or not...
My FC660C from widebasket has the light top row :(
I mean more in terms of the number keys feeling lighter than the alphas.Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding :))
In some of the newer FC660Cs it seems as though there are 30g domes in the numrow and 45g in the rest of the board.
Does your numrow feel different to the rest of the keys?
Wish I could find the "black" FC660C somewhere for purchase ... The grey is cool but the black looks so much better.
Wish I could find the "black" FC660C somewhere for purchase ... The grey is cool but the black looks so much better.
The keycaps on the new versions are a lot nicer and make a difference while typing.
Has anyone ever tried putting Topre Hi-Pro keycaps on an FC660C?It probably wouldn't go over well because of the bottom row, I think it would look and feel kind of gross to have a mish-mash of topre's standard profile and hi-pro at the same time.
Hi everyone,Any topre caps will fit but the 660c has a different bottom row than any original topre boards so it can't be changed. The profile of realforce caps is about the same as it is on the 660c so you can get some of those, but for the cost I don't know if that's worth it, really.
I've had this board for about a week, its my first topre board and i couldn't be happier. I'd like to customise it a bit with some different color keycaps. Anyone know which ones would fit? Thanks
Has anyone ever tried putting Topre Hi-Pro keycaps on an FC660C?It probably wouldn't go over well because of the bottom row, I think it would look and feel kind of gross to have a mish-mash of topre's standard profile and hi-pro at the same time.
Drilling is better if you're using nice caps. If you don't care about the caps, snip away. Use a center punch to create a mark where you want to drill, then drill with a very small bit. Easier to control and stay on center. Then go bigger and bigger until you're at the desired size.
I purchased the white fc660c from the latest restock at mechanicalkeyboards.com. The num row is indeed uniform weight with the rest of the keys.I did as well (got a white one) and I concur on your findings.
Lots of people have! These are some of the nicer, or perhaps the nicest, mx sliders on the market. The diameter is slightly smaller than stock sliders so they lead to a little more key wobble but nothing excessive, but they're also longer so you don't have any problems with key cap compatibility. As always, you still have to use a topre spacebar.