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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 18 May 2014, 01:33:23 »
Quote from: feizor on Sun, 18 May 2014, 01:01:36
Does Topre have much presence in the Chinese keyboard community? The Chinese market is huge but I think it's mostly dominated by the Taiwan brands and Leopold.

Leopold licenses Topre switches for their 660C and some RF boards?
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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 18 May 2014, 02:46:55 »
Quote from: Zeal on Sun, 18 May 2014, 01:33:23
Quote from: feizor on Sun, 18 May 2014, 01:01:36
Does Topre have much presence in the Chinese keyboard community? The Chinese market is huge but I think it's mostly dominated by the Taiwan brands and Leopold.

Leopold licenses Topre switches for their 660C and some RF boards?

The 660c relatively new compared to hhkb and RF. I don't think the market penetration is very deep yet.
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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #52 on: Sun, 18 May 2014, 03:49:16 »
Quote from: feizor on Sun, 18 May 2014, 02:46:55
Quote from: Zeal on Sun, 18 May 2014, 01:33:23
Quote from: feizor on Sun, 18 May 2014, 01:01:36
Does Topre have much presence in the Chinese keyboard community? The Chinese market is huge but I think it's mostly dominated by the Taiwan brands and Leopold.

Leopold licenses Topre switches for their 660C and some RF boards?

The 660c relatively new compared to hhkb and RF. I don't think the market penetration is very deep yet.

And we are yet to see replacement keycap sets for it (not including RealForce sets that can be forced to fit in the wrong positions).
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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 18 May 2014, 03:59:02 »
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 18 May 2014, 03:49:16
Quote from: feizor on Sun, 18 May 2014, 02:46:55
Quote from: Zeal on Sun, 18 May 2014, 01:33:23
Quote from: feizor on Sun, 18 May 2014, 01:01:36
Does Topre have much presence in the Chinese keyboard community? The Chinese market is huge but I think it's mostly dominated by the Taiwan brands and Leopold.

Leopold licenses Topre switches for their 660C and some RF boards?

The 660c relatively new compared to hhkb and RF. I don't think the market penetration is very deep yet.

And we are yet to see replacement keycap sets for it (not including RealForce sets that can be forced to fit in the wrong positions).







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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #54 on: Sun, 18 May 2014, 03:59:39 »
Quote from: the1onewolf on Sun, 18 May 2014, 03:59:02
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 18 May 2014, 03:49:16
Quote from: feizor on Sun, 18 May 2014, 02:46:55
Quote from: Zeal on Sun, 18 May 2014, 01:33:23
Quote from: feizor on Sun, 18 May 2014, 01:01:36
Does Topre have much presence in the Chinese keyboard community? The Chinese market is huge but I think it's mostly dominated by the Taiwan brands and Leopold.

Leopold licenses Topre switches for their 660C and some RF boards?

The 660c relatively new compared to hhkb and RF. I don't think the market penetration is very deep yet.

And we are yet to see replacement keycap sets for it (not including RealForce sets that can be forced to fit in the wrong positions).







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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #55 on: Sun, 18 May 2014, 04:38:04 »
Quote from: the1onewolf on Sun, 18 May 2014, 03:59:39
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 18 May 2014, 03:49:16
Quote from: feizor on Sun, 18 May 2014, 02:46:55
Quote from: Zeal on Sun, 18 May 2014, 01:33:23
Quote from: feizor on Sun, 18 May 2014, 01:01:36
Does Topre have much presence in the Chinese keyboard community? The Chinese market is huge but I think it's mostly dominated by the Taiwan brands and Leopold.

Leopold licenses Topre switches for their 660C and some RF boards?

The 660c relatively new compared to hhkb and RF. I don't think the market penetration is very deep yet.

And we are yet to see replacement keycap sets for it (not including RealForce sets that can be forced to fit in the wrong positions).

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S'true.  I don't think I've seen any full replacement Topre keycap sets, apart from black or white sets for HHKB, or coloured sets for RealForce.
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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #56 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 12:56:07 »
 :p weird man
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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #57 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 15:09:48 »
Quote from: lolkey on Tue, 20 May 2014, 12:56:07
:p weird man

Who, me? :))

Is there an implied comma in your statement?

"weird man" and "weird, man" have slightly different implications :p
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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #58 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 15:12:08 »
Anyone who likes yellow that much must be weird, right? ;)
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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 17:45:16 »
Quote from: esoomenona on Tue, 20 May 2014, 15:12:08
Anyone who likes yellow that much must be weird, right? ;)

It's normal to like yellow isn't it?

Yellow is the colour of the sun, which provides heat and light without which life on this planet would be very, very difficult, if at all.
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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 17:51:51 »
Is the sun yellow? Is it orange or red? Is it ultraviolet, but our eyes don't have UV receptors? How can we see if our eyes aren't even real?
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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 17:55:25 »
R u a gaygreen lantern?
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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 18:10:04 »
Quote from: rowdy on Sat, 17 May 2014, 02:36:29
Hey all,

With the dearth of Topre keycaps, and the dwindling varieties of Topre keyboards still on the market (HHKB, a few RealForce, TypeHeaven, FC660C), are we shooting ourselves in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?  Especially the artisan ones?

With the Novatouch coming out soon with Topre switches but MX sliders, Topre keycaps won't fit.

With the availability of community-originated MX sliders for Topre switches, and possibly commercially made equivalents one day, even existing Topre keyboards can be converted for MX keycaps.

Yes, it is unlikely that an existing Topre board will give up the ghost any time soon, but most new boards would be MX or Topre with MX-compatible stems.

So are we shooting ourselves in our feet collecting Topre keycaps?

Or would it be better to collect MX custom keycaps now, and invest in some MX sliders for existing Topre keyboards?
I think that cooler master owns the rights for the topre-mx sliiders switch for a while, so at least initially there wont be a lot (any?) variety when it comes to those keyboards. For this reason I think that Topre caps are still relevant in the short term. For the long term, who knows? I think a lot can change by the time this is relevant.

It will be interesting to see if the novatouch sliders can be transplanted into other boards (coughHHKBcough).
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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 19:13:36 »
Quote from: rowdy on Sat, 17 May 2014, 02:36:29
With the Novatouch coming out soon with Topre switches but MX sliders, Topre keycaps won't fit.

looking at the stems, It looks like they will fit topre, as well as MX keycaps.
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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #64 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 19:22:51 »
Quote from: dorkvader on Tue, 20 May 2014, 19:13:36
Quote from: rowdy on Sat, 17 May 2014, 02:36:29
With the Novatouch coming out soon with Topre switches but MX sliders, Topre keycaps won't fit.

looking at the stems, It looks like they will fit topre, as well as MX keycaps.

I've seen more agreement that they won't fit than that they will. It was my thinking that they would. But people say that Topre stems are wider and wouldn't fit in the circular housing.
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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #65 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 19:51:47 »
Quote from: esoomenona on Tue, 20 May 2014, 19:22:51
Quote from: dorkvader on Tue, 20 May 2014, 19:13:36
Quote from: rowdy on Sat, 17 May 2014, 02:36:29
With the Novatouch coming out soon with Topre switches but MX sliders, Topre keycaps won't fit.

looking at the stems, It looks like they will fit topre, as well as MX keycaps.

I've seen more agreement that they won't fit than that they will. It was my thinking that they would. But people say that Topre stems are wider and wouldn't fit in the circular housing.

We need someone to sacrifice a Novatouch for science!
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Re: Shooting yourself in the foot collecting Topre keycaps?
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 20:23:24 »
Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 20 May 2014, 19:51:47
Quote from: esoomenona on Tue, 20 May 2014, 19:22:51
Quote from: dorkvader on Tue, 20 May 2014, 19:13:36
Quote from: rowdy on Sat, 17 May 2014, 02:36:29
With the Novatouch coming out soon with Topre switches but MX sliders, Topre keycaps won't fit.

looking at the stems, It looks like they will fit topre, as well as MX keycaps.

I've seen more agreement that they won't fit than that they will. It was my thinking that they would. But people say that Topre stems are wider and wouldn't fit in the circular housing.

We need someone to sacrifice a Novatouch for science!

You can just try to fit a topre cap on it.

I want to get one just to see how better/worse it's made than other keyboards.
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