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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 31 May 2017, 23:00:01 »
My Esc key came with some weird burn. Hasn't affected use or anything like that but I thought it was weird.

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My Esc key has the same issue.  Didn't notice the burn until today, when I pulled the cap (for the first time since installing) and I heard a crack. The stem split vertically along the burn mark.  Emailed Originative, and their response was "We will contact GMK and let them know of the issue. As far as a replacement goes, we'll have to wait for their response regarding it". Will have to wait and see I guess, but this is clearly not just a cosmetic defect.




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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 01 June 2017, 00:51:17 »
My Esc key came with some weird burn. Hasn't affected use or anything like that but I thought it was weird.

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My Esc key has the same issue.  Didn't notice the burn until today, when I pulled the cap (for the first time since installing) and I heard a crack. The stem split vertically along the burn mark.  Emailed Originative, and their response was "We will contact GMK and let them know of the issue. As far as a replacement goes, we'll have to wait for their response regarding it". Will have to wait and see I guess, but this is clearly not just a cosmetic defect.

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Ouch! Sorry to hear about it. It looks like the sub-standard production had resulted in the material around the stem to become brittle. Not knowing if OCo reads this here, I suggest you post your experience at the Honeywell thread by OCo https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86286.350

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 01 June 2017, 09:17:05 »

You should post in the GB thread.

A gentle reminder to everyone reporting the issues, that the one and only official venue for the GB is its thread, posting here may not help keeping Sherry involved and committed. The general feeling is that he is dismissing this issue as a mere cosmetic thing.

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 01 June 2017, 09:47:18 »

You should post in the GB thread.

A gentle reminder to everyone reporting the issues, that the one and only official venue for the GB is its thread, posting here may not help keeping Sherry involved and committed. The general feeling is that he is dismissing this issue as a mere cosmetic thing.

He isn't/wasn't- it's GMK.  And in all honesty, it doesn't seem that big a deal as it was in other buys.  As far as committed, why are you so committed to this as you weren't in the buy?

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 01 June 2017, 11:53:07 »

You should post in the GB thread.

A gentle reminder to everyone reporting the issues, that the one and only official venue for the GB is its thread, posting here may not help keeping Sherry involved and committed. The general feeling is that he is dismissing this issue as a mere cosmetic thing.

He isn't/wasn't- it's GMK.  And in all honesty, it doesn't seem that big a deal as it was in other buys.  As far as committed, why are you so committed to this as you weren't in the buy?


Because I am a GMK Customer. It seems the problem is a manufacturing issue potentially affecting any set.

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 01 June 2017, 11:58:47 »
I have burn marks on my Honeywell, Sky Dolch V2 and GMK Magenta...(underside on some stems).

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 01 June 2017, 12:55:26 »

You should post in the GB thread.

A gentle reminder to everyone reporting the issues, that the one and only official venue for the GB is its thread, posting here may not help keeping Sherry involved and committed. The general feeling is that he is dismissing this issue as a mere cosmetic thing.

He isn't/wasn't- it's GMK.  And in all honesty, it doesn't seem that big a deal as it was in other buys.  As far as committed, why are you so committed to this as you weren't in the buy?


Because I am a GMK Customer. It seems the problem is a manufacturing issue potentially affecting any set.

You just keep bringing it up, without knowing if it is cosmetic after all are willing to let it drop, or wait for a response from Sherry.  Seems more like stirring the issue more than anything else, especially since you have no personal experience with it.

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 01 June 2017, 13:14:21 »

You should post in the GB thread.

A gentle reminder to everyone reporting the issues, that the one and only official venue for the GB is its thread, posting here may not help keeping Sherry involved and committed. The general feeling is that he is dismissing this issue as a mere cosmetic thing.

He isn't/wasn't- it's GMK.  And in all honesty, it doesn't seem that big a deal as it was in other buys.  As far as committed, why are you so committed to this as you weren't in the buy?


Because I am a GMK Customer. It seems the problem is a manufacturing issue potentially affecting any set.

You just keep bringing it up, without knowing if it is cosmetic after all are willing to let it drop, or wait for a response from Sherry.  Seems more like stirring the issue more than anything else, especially since you have no personal experience with it.


I do not want to have personal experience with it really, that is the point. If you notice, I am not posting at the GB thread, so I do not see why is your motivation to interfere. You and me are free to post here; however, my motivation is legitimate in the interest of a quality issue to be fixed, either, if you consider minor, it is still a quality issue. It appears that you have some sort of personal interest with the GB leader. Again, even if that is the case this is not the GB thread, but a thread on a GMK quality issue, that I am interested in and with all due respect, I really do not care if you like it or not.

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #58 on: Thu, 01 June 2017, 14:04:54 »

You should post in the GB thread.

A gentle reminder to everyone reporting the issues, that the one and only official venue for the GB is its thread, posting here may not help keeping Sherry involved and committed. The general feeling is that he is dismissing this issue as a mere cosmetic thing.

He isn't/wasn't- it's GMK.  And in all honesty, it doesn't seem that big a deal as it was in other buys.  As far as committed, why are you so committed to this as you weren't in the buy?


Because I am a GMK Customer. It seems the problem is a manufacturing issue potentially affecting any set.

You just keep bringing it up, without knowing if it is cosmetic after all are willing to let it drop, or wait for a response from Sherry.  Seems more like stirring the issue more than anything else, especially since you have no personal experience with it.


I do not want to have personal experience with it really, that is the point. If you notice, I am not posting at the GB thread, so I do not see why is your motivation to interfere. You and me are free to post here; however, my motivation is legitimate in the interest of a quality issue to be fixed, either, if you consider minor, it is still a quality issue. It appears that you have some sort of personal interest with the GB leader. Again, even if that is the case this is not the GB thread, but a thread on a GMK quality issue, that I am interested in and with all due respect, I really do not care if you like it or not.

Really?  You're going there?  I just barely knew that sherry wasn't a she recently.  I have no interest in the company, other than having some of their keycap sets that I paid retail for - not GB price.  I just noticed that you kept stirring this when you don't even have experience with the issue.  I didn't even say anything towards you other than to ask your interest- which is a valid question.

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 01 June 2017, 14:13:40 »

You should post in the GB thread.

A gentle reminder to everyone reporting the issues, that the one and only official venue for the GB is its thread, posting here may not help keeping Sherry involved and committed. The general feeling is that he is dismissing this issue as a mere cosmetic thing.

He isn't/wasn't- it's GMK.  And in all honesty, it doesn't seem that big a deal as it was in other buys.  As far as committed, why are you so committed to this as you weren't in the buy?


Because I am a GMK Customer. It seems the problem is a manufacturing issue potentially affecting any set.

You just keep bringing it up, without knowing if it is cosmetic after all are willing to let it drop, or wait for a response from Sherry.  Seems more like stirring the issue more than anything else, especially since you have no personal experience with it.


I do not want to have personal experience with it really, that is the point. If you notice, I am not posting at the GB thread, so I do not see why is your motivation to interfere. You and me are free to post here; however, my motivation is legitimate in the interest of a quality issue to be fixed, either, if you consider minor, it is still a quality issue. It appears that you have some sort of personal interest with the GB leader. Again, even if that is the case this is not the GB thread, but a thread on a GMK quality issue, that I am interested in and with all due respect, I really do not care if you like it or not.

Really?  You're going there?  I just barely knew that sherry wasn't a she recently.  I have no interest in the company, other than having some of their keycap sets that I paid retail for - not GB price.  I just noticed that you kept stirring this when you don't even have experience with the issue.  I didn't even say anything towards you other than to ask your interest- which is a valid question.


Alright then, got it. You have no interest; but some postings bothering you, so I am sorry. I'd like to have defect free key caps coming from GMK, that, by the way is the only key caps profile and material that I use on my keyboards. I have no interest in this particular buy, either. But I would like GMK to be a reliable source of these beloved type of key caps.

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #60 on: Thu, 01 June 2017, 14:32:31 »

You should post in the GB thread.

A gentle reminder to everyone reporting the issues, that the one and only official venue for the GB is its thread, posting here may not help keeping Sherry involved and committed. The general feeling is that he is dismissing this issue as a mere cosmetic thing.

He isn't/wasn't- it's GMK.  And in all honesty, it doesn't seem that big a deal as it was in other buys.  As far as committed, why are you so committed to this as you weren't in the buy?


Because I am a GMK Customer. It seems the problem is a manufacturing issue potentially affecting any set.

You just keep bringing it up, without knowing if it is cosmetic after all are willing to let it drop, or wait for a response from Sherry.  Seems more like stirring the issue more than anything else, especially since you have no personal experience with it.


I do not want to have personal experience with it really, that is the point. If you notice, I am not posting at the GB thread, so I do not see why is your motivation to interfere. You and me are free to post here; however, my motivation is legitimate in the interest of a quality issue to be fixed, either, if you consider minor, it is still a quality issue. It appears that you have some sort of personal interest with the GB leader. Again, even if that is the case this is not the GB thread, but a thread on a GMK quality issue, that I am interested in and with all due respect, I really do not care if you like it or not.

Really?  You're going there?  I just barely knew that sherry wasn't a she recently.  I have no interest in the company, other than having some of their keycap sets that I paid retail for - not GB price.  I just noticed that you kept stirring this when you don't even have experience with the issue.  I didn't even say anything towards you other than to ask your interest- which is a valid question.


Alright then, got it. You have no interest; but some postings bothering you, so I am sorry. I'd like to have defect free key caps coming from GMK, that, by the way is the only key caps profile and material that I use on my keyboards. I have no interest in this particular buy, either. But I would like GMK to be a reliable source of these beloved type of key caps.

Never said it bothered me either.  I was just curious, and it is a valid question.

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #61 on: Thu, 01 June 2017, 14:34:18 »
A question is almost always a legitimate one.  :thumb:

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 12:27:10 »
I don't believe those little fins are there for structural integrity of the finished product. They are most likely just a by-product of how the mold is designed.
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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #63 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 12:30:48 »
I don't believe those little fins are there for structural integrity of the finished product. They are most likely just a by-product of how the mold is designed.

Not true, the "fins" are there to support/ stabilize the stem.
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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #64 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 20:27:13 »
I don't believe those little fins are there for structural integrity of the finished product. They are most likely just a by-product of how the mold is designed.

Not true, the "fins" are there to support/ stabilize the stem.

SA profile keycaps have much longer stems and they do not have these fins.
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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #65 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 20:56:59 »
I don't believe those little fins are there for structural integrity of the finished product. They are most likely just a by-product of how the mold is designed.

Not true, the "fins" are there to support/ stabilize the stem.

SA profile keycaps have much longer stems and they do not have these fins.

Your point being what? I didn't say the keycap would break without the fins, I said they're there to support the stem.

Adding the fins complicates the mold more thus making it more expensive to produce, if the fins were totally useless why would most profiles (other than stuff from SP) include them?

The addition of the fins isn't necessary but it leads to a more solid final product.
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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #66 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 22:17:31 »
I don't believe those little fins are there for structural integrity of the finished product. They are most likely just a by-product of how the mold is designed.

Not true, the "fins" are there to support/ stabilize the stem.

SA profile keycaps have much longer stems and they do not have these fins.

Your point being what? I didn't say the keycap would break without the fins, I said they're there to support the stem.

Adding the fins complicates the mold more thus making it more expensive to produce, if the fins were totally useless why would most profiles (other than stuff from SP) include them?

The addition of the fins isn't necessary but it leads to a more solid final product.

No need to get defensive, I'm just making observations based on available evidence.

I'll point to the fact that GMK representatives themselves stated that the missing fins were just a cosmetic issue.

Further, if you look under your row 3 GMK keycaps, those fins are maybe half a millimeter high. They aren't doing anything for the structural integrity of the stem.

I don't know why the fins are there, but I believe they have something to do with the manufacturing process rather than the finished product.

To answer your question, my point is that we do not need to worry about missing fins on keycaps. The deformities are strange, but regardless of why they are there, the missing fins are not detrimental to the keycaps' usability.

Of course in OP's case, where there is actually extra material protruding to where it should not be, this is certainly a problem. However, since many thousands of individuals use GMK keycaps regularly and this is seemingly the first time this issue has popped up, it is likely isolated to a small run of caps.
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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #67 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 22:45:41 »
I'll point to the fact that GMK representatives themselves stated that the missing fins were just a cosmetic issue.

That makes sense because the fins aren't necessary, they're just extra reinforcement to make the keycap structurally more solid than it needs to be.

Further, if you look under your row 3 GMK keycaps, those fins are maybe half a millimeter high. They aren't doing anything for the structural integrity of the stem.

Row 3 is fairly low profile so the stem is shorter and extra reinforcement isn't necessary at all (not that it normally is anyway but still), the fins are there to keep the bottom section of the stem the same length regardless of the row.

To answer your question, my point is that we do not need to worry about missing fins on keycaps. The deformities are strange, but regardless of why they are there, the missing fins are not detrimental to the keycaps' usability.

I agree with this, the deformities shouldn't get in the way of the switch functioning correctly and shouldn't cause the keycap to break so in the end are more of a cosmetic issue.
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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #68 on: Sun, 04 June 2017, 23:06:34 »
My Esc key came with some weird burn. Hasn't affected use or anything like that but I thought it was weird.

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My Esc key has the same issue.  Didn't notice the burn until today, when I pulled the cap (for the first time since installing) and I heard a crack. The stem split vertically along the burn mark.  Emailed Originative, and their response was "We will contact GMK and let them know of the issue. As far as a replacement goes, we'll have to wait for their response regarding it". Will have to wait and see I guess, but this is clearly not just a cosmetic defect.

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I have the same exact burn on my red escape too. Strangely, my grey escape key is fine (along with all of my other keys).

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 13 June 2017, 10:16:38 »
I'd like to add that I have a similar experience as OP my ~ and 4 key and possibly others have what looks like cut plastic underneath.

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 27 June 2017, 01:51:46 »
I have this deformity on ever single Red ESC from GMK
havent looked at terminal and I dont have honeywell (though I wish I did)

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #71 on: Wed, 29 November 2017, 10:27:24 »
Just as info for anyone who might have an issue with their ESC key as I did (stem on mine cracked) - Originative is selling the RO2 colored ESC individually. It is an option under add-ons/GMK Red ESC

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #72 on: Mon, 04 December 2017, 14:40:02 »
For what it's worth I've gotten in a couple GMK sets and kits since I made this thread (Oblivion, Yuri, some accents and Ceresia) and haven't had any deformities in the walls of those caps like what was present in my Honeywell kit. Some of the caps are missing the same wall that was deformed in the Honeywell set, but all the mold lines have been nice and clean. So maybe this was just an isolated issue that GMK has resolved.

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #73 on: Mon, 04 December 2017, 16:43:47 »
If it worth something, I installed Kekkon's Dolch and no keycap has the issue. Was HW manufactured with custom colors? Would be the polymers blend what causes the issues.

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 04 December 2017, 16:45:11 »
If it worth something, I installed Kekkon's Dolch and no keycap has the issue. Was HW manufactured with custom colors? Would be the polymers blend what causes the issues.

pretty sure it's standard GMK colors
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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 04 December 2017, 16:47:00 »
If it worth something, I installed Kekkon's Dolch and no keycap has the issue. Was HW manufactured with custom colors? Would be the polymers blend what causes the issues.

pretty sure it's standard GMK colors

I such case, only a manufacturing method error remains as the possible culprit, only.


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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 04 December 2017, 17:27:59 »
If it worth something, I installed Kekkon's Dolch and no keycap has the issue. Was HW manufactured with custom colors? Would be the polymers blend what causes the issues.

pretty sure it's standard GMK colors

I such case, only a manufacturing method error remains as the possible culprit, only.

That's my guess too.

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Re: GMK Honeywell issues
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 04 December 2017, 17:40:02 »
We're wearing out the mold equipment!  :))

Meh, i think Ideus is right.
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