Take a look at these pictures of my Nuclear Data terminals (https://picasaweb.google.com/legalize.slc/NuclearDataND812#).
This brings new meaning to the phrase "dumb terminal". The housing includes only the high voltage drive electronics for the CRT and no electronics for processing the keyboard or refreshing the display from memory! The interface to the outside world consists of a parallel ribbon cable sending keyboard data out and a video input for the CRT monitor. I believe the circuitry that generates the video feed is enclosed somewhere in the peripheral boxes for the ND 812 computer, but I have no documentation and haven't reverse engineered the circuits yet.
I originally purchased just the ND 6600 terminal because damn that vintage green keyboard was cool looking. I purchased it from The Black Hole (https://picasaweb.google.com/legalize.slc/TheBlackHole#) and got it home before I realized it was mostly empty. On my next trip down to the Hole, I picked up the remaining Nuclear Data gear that was there: the ND812 computer, peripherals and 3 ND 600 data entry terminals with nuclear instrumentation module (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Instrumentation_Module) slots.
If anyone has information about what kind of data the is returning (parallel ASCII, serial ASCII?) to save me the trouble of reverse engineering it, that would be awesome. Any Nuclear Data 812 information in general would also be appreciated!
Absolutely interested.
This was the first vintage set that I'd seen that really made me want to find that exact same keyboard model, even if it could never be made to work with a PC.
Can we specify that all the caps have smooth top surfaces, instead of a mix of matte finish and smooth finish like the current SA-profile group buys?
I think the 23Commando set sort of filled this niche? I'd still like to see a really dark green set produced, though.
I think the 23Commando set sort of filled this niche? I'd still like to see a really dark green set produced, though.
Everyone needs to remember that this whole potential Group Buy here is based upon the re-development of the "Nuclear Data Green" Key-caps. Where did it say Gay-Green, or Fluoro Green in that Title description?
Why Retro was so popular is because the colors where kept to conservative shades and it sold like hot-cakes. This Key-set can go the same way because there is a love out there for OLD-style caps.
Plus, having the SA Profile set done to as close as the original will only make it more popular, far more than having bright colours blaring out to a tiny minority. Always hold close to the original design when proposing a redo of timeless classics.
Why do you think 7bit held the Honeywell Group Buy to a bare minimum of colours? Because it has now outsold any of his previous Group Buys. Always go with what previous Group Buys have done and this one may go the same way. Always keep the colours subdued and try and mimic the classics because they will always be popular today, tomorrow and the future.
Where are you getting this idea that there will be or that people want bright colours? We're talking about matt or gloss finish. And 'Gay-Green'? Really?
Where are you getting this idea that there will be or that people want bright colours? We're talking about matt or gloss finish. And 'Gay-Green'? Really?
Because people here were choosing Option B, please suggest what colours they describe?
It's always a worry asking people here on this forum what colours they like and sure enough the younger ones want all the 'Bright Colours' whilst the older ones want the subdued colour set. The main reason is that we the older ones know what works over a long period of time. Plus we don't throw away key-sets as often hence the classical sets get kept far longer than any of the abysmal childish designs.
Nuclear Green has to be just that, with no alterations whatsoever :thumb: .
A and B aren't asking to pick colors, but to pick the finish of the keycap surface
So you think that Round 4 keys and upcoming Round 5 look gay?* I think I'm misunderstanding something here. The keys in the first post, are they semi-matt or gloss?
*Ridiculous for a grown up to describe anything other than sexual orientation using that word.
I didn't know SA PBT was even an option...
Now that we've cleared up the color choices, some of last night's discussion have started me thinking...
What about one or two OPTIONAL EXTRA special keys in actual nuclear green? I mean a see-though translucent acid green radiation legend on black for the escape key. Or a "LAUNCH" key in translucent acid green? Make the WASD cluster with translucent legends for "nuclear" backlighting?
What are green LEDs for, if not to make a Nuclear Data green keyboard look sick?
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Simulated image; not actual radiation.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Regardless of the translucent option, I think having the fallout, or nuclear icons in place of the Winkey would be a nice touch. Keeping it neutral makes the Mac nerds like me from asking for a command key. :))
First pass of legends posted in OP #2. Radiation, command, red buttons, and other specials added.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Red "ENGAGE" (Enter) keycap added by popular demand. OP #2 updated.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Red "ENGAGE" (Enter) keycap added by popular demand. OP #2 updated.
- Ron | samwisekoiShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/UCnuA4s.gif)
:eek:
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Second pass of Nuclear Data keycap set.
- Ron | samwisekoi
I thought this terminal was for analyzing gamma radiation, and not for firing nuclear weapons.
Also, does the mockup show/indicate which profile each of the caps are in?
Would definitely like a set of these..would there be an ISO set to go with it?
I thought this terminal was for analyzing gamma radiation, and not for firing nuclear weapons.
GEEZUS H. CHRIST, that is the MOST beautiful key-set yet delivered here on Geekhack (sorry Matt3o) but this is the ONE I have been looking for :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: .
It's seriously COOL without having all the unnecessary colours like what most key-sets have now. Time for a subtle change for our keyboards and when you decide to post this in the Group Buy section Sam I will order at least 4 complete sets.
Thank you for finally making a man's key-set, something to end the world with.
I thought this terminal was for analyzing gamma radiation, and not for firing nuclear weapons.
I thought this terminal was for analyzing gamma radiation, and not for firing nuclear weapons.Haha whoops, I saw green and the word nuclear and assumed it was about blowin' stuff up :p
wait!!! SA or DSA?
****ing yes!
Allow me to state in a couple of words how excited I am to see the possibility of this set coming to life:
HELL YEAH!
okay guys, I'm all in for radiation symbols and "engage" buttons, but I was kidding about NUKE key... I find it a bit childish and out of place. Let's have another symbol instead.
Also a yellow key might be very nice and might give a better contrast than red.
Mock upShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/FieiCmH.png)
Please note that green is color calibrated (ie: that is very close to what you'll get)
okay guys, I'm all in for radiation symbols and "engage" buttons, but I was kidding about NUKE key... I find it a bit childish and out of place. Let's have another symbol instead.
I suggest also Pu94 and a U92 keysI like that idea.
If you want to look at measurements of Nuclear Radiation then there is always the tried and tested units of measurement eg. Becquerel (Bq), Gray (Gy) and Sievert (Sv).I like these, too.
okay guys, I'm all in for radiation symbols and "engage" buttons, but I was kidding about NUKE key... I find it a bit childish and out of place. Let's have another symbol instead.
I would also use a simpler symbol for the radiation, like thisShow Image(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Radiation_warning_symbol.svg/600px-Radiation_warning_symbol.svg.png)
A nice additional key might be:Show Image(http://sweetclipart.com/multisite/sweetclipart/files/atom_outline.png)
Also a yellow key might be very nice and might give a better contrast than red.
Mock upShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/FieiCmH.png)
Please note that green is color calibrated (ie: that is very close to what you'll get)
Hey I've got more for you;
ICBM, A-BOMB, KILOTON, RADIOACTIVE, STRATEGIC, BALLISTIC, TACTICAL, FALLOUT, END-OF-DAYS, NEUTRON, THERMONUCLEAR, damn you guys are no fun at all.
I loved the idea of getting torched by an ICBM :thumb: .
If you want to look at measurements of Nuclear Radiation then there is always the tried and tested units of measurement eg. Becquerel (Bq), Gray (Gy) and Sievert (Sv).
I do not agree on "100% text".
In the original keyboard all arrows are actually arrows and there's also a very nice 4 arrows key that I believe should be replicated.
All green. All text apart from very few arrows/icons. No need of NUKE keys.
White on Green (WoG) SA Row3 profile; all-glossy if possible.
Matt3o and I have talked and agreed on a guiding principle for the set:QuoteAll green. All text apart from very few arrows/icons. No need of NUKE keys.
White on Green (WoG) SA Row3 profile; all-glossy if possible.
I've updated OP #2 with a third pass containing more of the original legends plus some of the suggestions from the thread. I have not changed the alternate color at this time. Red will work for the purposes of the [IC] thread, but the single optional color is still officially TBD at this time.
- Ron | samwisekoi
I've updated OP #2 with a third pass containing more of the original legends plus some of the suggestions from the thread. I have not changed the alternate color at this time. Red will work for the purposes of the [IC] thread, but the single optional color is still officially TBD at this time.
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Third pass of Nuclear Data keycap set.
All green. All text apart from very few arrows/icons. No need of NUKE keys.
White on Green (WoG) SA Row3 profile; all-glossy if possible.
Possibly one optional color for very few keycaps.
- Ron | samwisekoi
agree on OAS!
Awesome set. Makes me wish I had a bomb shelter.
Alpha, Beta, Gamma and X, plus Neutrons are the products of nuclear decay that ND devices tested for.
burnanenergyjournal.com/radioactive-decay/
- Ron I samwisekoi
I love the mock up but the number row needs to be numbers only for it to look truly awesome.
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Third+ pass of Nuclear Data keycap set.
All green. All text apart from very few arrows/icons. No need of NUKE keys.
White on Green (WoG) SA Row3 profile; all-glossy if possible.
Possibly one optional color for very few keycaps.
- Ron | samwisekoi
This is looking better and better. I like all glossy, and the OAS color is a great change.
I have one other (weird) suggestion -- how about a WOPR key? WOPR is the codename of the supercomputer that Matthew Broderick tricks into playing a game of thermonuclear war in Wargames. This is already an awesome set -- just wondering if anyone else would want that key.
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We would not, repeat NOT need any key referencing Matthew Broderick. :-X
The only issue with that is that I intend to use the numpad caps on a numpad.I love the mock up but the number row needs to be numbers only for it to look truly awesome.
And so, since all the keycaps are the same profile, you can just put the 10-key set on the top row!
(I thought of this already, and if I do a TKL, it will be done like that!)
Anyhow, slap those numpad keys across the top and Bob's your uncle!
- Ron | samwisekoi
The only issue with that is that I intend to use the numpad caps on a numpad.I love the mock up but the number row needs to be numbers only for it to look truly awesome.
And so, since all the keycaps are the same profile, you can just put the 10-key set on the top row!
(I thought of this already, and if I do a TKL, it will be done like that!)
Anyhow, slap those numpad keys across the top and Bob's your uncle!
- Ron | samwisekoi
Only one solution: buy two sets! :PI might have to do that, myself.
There is a thread for discussing SP group buys here? -> http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54941.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54941.0)
On topic: Do any of the members here have one of these terminals? I often see the same picture, but would like to see more detailed shots.
There is a thread for discussing SP group buys here? -> http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54941.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54941.0)
Thanks Spammy but it's their own private vendor forum only. Hence no discussions shall be noted about any of their interests. Here in the public forum they can not edit nor delete anything that is harmful to their own interests.
Besides this section is for Sam's own Brilliant Nuclear Data Glossy Green's that NEED all our focus and energy from everyone here.
Sam should bring this baby down to the Group Buy Section and amaze everyone with it's old-style wonder. I think a lot of DT forum users will be interested in this key-set :thumb: . Like I said before I will personally buy 4 complete sets of these when they're released.
There is a thread for discussing SP group buys here? -> http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54941.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54941.0)
Thanks Spammy but it's their own private vendor forum only. Hence no discussions shall be noted about any of their interests. Here in the public forum they can not edit nor delete anything that is harmful to their own interests.
Please Sam, use this symbol (and this color combo)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zH90LM7.png)
SVG version hereShow Image(http://cubiq.org/dropbox/nuclear.svg)
Please Sam, use this symbol (and this color combo)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zH90LM7.png)
SVG version hereShow Image(http://cubiq.org/dropbox/nuclear.svg)
What? In the mock-up? Um, okay. I was just using the ASCII version in the font, but next time I update it, I'll replace it with that symbol.
And yes for the custom keycap -- assuming there isn't already such a legend available from days gone by.
- Ron
are you sure it's the same color? It seems lighter
Would it be feasible to ask SP to custom make a darker green? Pull off a keycap from the inspiration keyboard, ship it to them and see what they can do? Worthwhile?
Over the weekend, I took a photo of the dark green lotus key cap from the Commando 23 GB so that everyone could see the color. It's just a potato shot and not color corrected, but the photo was taken outside with a white laminate behind it out in the afternoon sun.Show Image(http://l.mashby.com/E0C1+)
From left to right: Red Gloss, Dark Green Gloss, Commando Green matte.
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Third+ pass of Nuclear Data keycap set.
All green. All text apart from very few arrows/icons. No need of NUKE keys.
White on Green (WoG) SA Row3 profile; all-glossy if possible.
Possibly one optional color for very few keycaps.
- Ron | samwisekoi
'Scuse my ignorance, bit of a noob and everything, but SA is normally different height in different rows, but this is all being done as row 3, making all keys the same height, like DSA?
'Scuse my ignorance, bit of a noob and everything, but SA is normally different height in different rows, but this is all being done as row 3, making all keys the same height, like DSA?
That's right.
Any chance we can get an optional Function/Esc set in the taller profile? Row 1, maybe even a number set in Row 2 as well?
I realize there are tradeoffs in mixing and matching keycaps across different boards, but I've become rather font of the uber-tall keycaps on the Commando set. I'm okay if these are more expensive than the regular set.
[update 14-03-08]
MAIN INTEREST CHECK QUESTION:
Would you like a set of glossy White on Green (WoG) retro keycaps in SA profile?
POTENTIAL FALLBACK OPTION IF WE CANNOT GET 100% GLOSSY FINISH:
If and only if they cannot ALL be glossy, should we
(A) make them all semi-matte or
(B) make as many of them as possible glossy?
[/update]
how's ergodox on SA? any picture?
You really should find the exact color you want and send an example or the approximate pantone code equivalent. It really doesn't add that much time on (only a couple weeks) and that time could just be used for people to place their orders or generate the mock ups. After toxic starts arriving at peoples houses I suspect more will want sets with new original colors not currently in SPs regular inventories.
Would you ever consider doing these in SA profile?
This has come up more than once, and although it is covered in the OP, it bears repeating:QuoteWould you ever consider doing these in SA profile?
They will be in SA profile. All Row 3.
How else could they truly be Old Skool?
Also, I am considering adding a Big-Ass Enter Key and a Long-Ass spacebar. Unfortunately 9x is the longest SA spacebar SP lists; I'd prefer 10x, but what are you going to do.
Is anyone else interested in a long spacebar?
Is anyone interested in a Big-Ass Enter Key, or is an ISO Enter big enough?
- Ron | samwisekoi
p.s. Updated OP and OP#2.
Centered will work in 1.25--1.75--9u--1.75--1.25 config, where the 1.75 key has to be off center, to the left on one key and right on the other (We can rotate the standard off-center cap 180 degrees)
In theory, yes since it is row 3 flat profile. However they do have 1.75 stepped right and stepped left keys according to their website.
Change VV to a custom color that matches more accurately. If you can get a sample from the original caps then you can send it in for an exact match. You just have be willing to wait a few weeks for its return.
I would also be in for 8x and 9x size spacebars. Also hoping the set supports 1.5x mods as well, they were not in the mockup last I looked, and neither was 1.75x shift. I'd like this bad boy fully compatible with 1800 :D
Change VV to a custom color that matches more accurately. If you can get a sample from the original caps then you can send it in for an exact match. You just have be willing to wait a few weeks for its return.
I would also be in for 8x and 9x size spacebars. Also hoping the set supports 1.5x mods as well, they were not in the mockup last I looked, and neither was 1.75x shift. I'd like this bad boy fully compatible with 1800 :D
I am much more likely to sort one of your two requests than the other. Specifically, having 1.00 and 1.50 mods as well as an ISO enter and long spacebars are high on my list.
If you look at the photo in the OP, you can see that all of the keycaps are either 1x or 1.5x with the sole exception of the 10x spacebar. I might do a PCB or hardware plate to support that layout. Other than that, matt3o's Granite GB is probably a great indication of the keycap selection we will attempt.
- Ron | samwisekoi
I might do a custom keyboard layout (hard-wire or pcb) like this:
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Nuclear Data Keyboard samwisekoi 2014
Because these will be SA keycaps, any of the key positions can have any of the keycaps. So if someone wanted to place F1-F10 on the left, they could, etc.
Just some pondering...
- Ron | samwisekoi
Remember this thread?Show Image(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-udeRhU22cpk/TNrURTKzZyI/AAAAAAAABEk/GfUlYqXOOuo/s1280/DSC_0168.JPG)
Take a look at these pictures of my Nuclear Data terminals (https://picasaweb.google.com/legalize.slc/NuclearDataND812#).
This brings new meaning to the phrase "dumb terminal". The housing includes only the high voltage drive electronics for the CRT and no electronics for processing the keyboard or refreshing the display from memory! The interface to the outside world consists of a parallel ribbon cable sending keyboard data out and a video input for the CRT monitor. I believe the circuitry that generates the video feed is enclosed somewhere in the peripheral boxes for the ND 812 computer, but I have no documentation and haven't reverse engineered the circuits yet.
I originally purchased just the ND 6600 terminal because damn that vintage green keyboard was cool looking. I purchased it from The Black Hole (https://picasaweb.google.com/legalize.slc/TheBlackHole#) and got it home before I realized it was mostly empty. On my next trip down to the Hole, I picked up the remaining Nuclear Data gear that was there: the ND812 computer, peripherals and 3 ND 600 data entry terminals with nuclear instrumentation module (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Instrumentation_Module) slots.
If anyone has information about what kind of data the is returning (parallel ASCII, serial ASCII?) to save me the trouble of reverse engineering it, that would be awesome. Any Nuclear Data 812 information in general would also be appreciated!
During the Retro DSA Group Buy we had talked about a reprise of the Nuclear Data keycaps in White-on-Green doubleshot, potentially in SA profile for maximum old skool-ness. Maybe a couple of Cold War special keycaps, certainly large, bold, simple legends, especially a numbers-only 10-key pad.
Is anyone still interested in this?
[update 14-03-08]
MAIN INTEREST CHECK QUESTION:
Would you like a set of glossy White on Green (WoG) retro keycaps in SA profile?
POTENTIAL FALLBACK OPTION IF WE CANNOT GET 100% GLOSSY FINISH:
If and only if they cannot ALL be glossy, should we
(A) make them all semi-matte or
(B) make as many of them as possible glossy?
[/update]
- Ron | samwisekoi
I would most likely buy it depending on the price and whether it has an ErgoDox kit.
yes, big ass RETURN (not enter) is the HUGE 1.5x2.25x2, not the lame 1.5x1.25x2
the focus fk2000 has some big ass return I seem to recall
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[update]
Color selection:
VV Dark Green Keycaps (SA Profile All Row 3)
WA Bright White Legends
OAS Orange for just a few special keycaps
[/update]
- Ron | samwisekoi
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[update]
Color selection:
VV Dark Green Keycaps (SA Profile All Row 3)
WA Bright White Legends
OAS Orange for just a few special keycaps
[/update]
- Ron | samwisekoi
I would buy as a single set everything in that image!
(I seem incapable of posting it correctly, so I see it's below. Rightio then...)
This was paused to let the Midnight SA set go through.
(Also, I had to move my family across town by surprise, and that took eight weeks of total absorption.)
Anyhow, I have now begun gathering parts for a Nuclear Green gaming PC, so I will definitely need to get this set on the road for that!
- Ron | samwisekoi
I'm not sure about SA keycaps, but I have an urge to get this, find an old terminal, transplant a modern keyboard and small LCD into it.
Weird, huh?
| Nuclear Data Update for 30-June-2014 |
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That looks brilliant!
This might end up being my first SA set :)
That looks brilliant!
This might end up being my first SA set :)
Geezus, your first SA set? I thought you were an SA addict such as myself, boy was I wrong ::) .
SA simply rules compared to any other profile SP chucks out of it's moulds. I would walk a 1000 miles for any SA set being sold and I will never change my preference towards it.
Only other profile worth fighting for would be GMK's Cherry, Original Goodness when available, but that's it.
Heh nope!
I have a bag full of SA keycaps from my last Crap Bag. one day if I get the time I was going to see if there was enough (minus space bar) for a full set to see what they feel like to type on.
Same with DSA - Granite is my first full set.
Heh nope!
I have a bag full of SA keycaps from my last Crap Bag. one day if I get the time I was going to see if there was enough (minus space bar) for a full set to see what they feel like to type on.
Same with DSA - Granite is my first full set.
Damn Rowdy you're a newb when it comes to Group Buys then?
I thought you would have had tons of caps in every colour since Geekhack started but it goes to show not everyone is addicted to plastic key-porn (like myself).
Don't worry once these caps arrive at your home (hopefully within the near future) you'll have trouble deciding which keyboard to install them into :thumb: .
Based on Matt3o's input, I sent the mock-up to SA for price and availability checking. Pretty good news came back:Could this be my first SA set... :thumb:
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<tr><td><big><font color=green>Nuclear Data Update for 30-June-2014</big></td</tr>
<tr><td><ul>
<li><font color=green>The set can be 100% semi-matte Row 3 SA profile.</li>
<li>There are only 5 unique legends, two of which are only $25 each to cut.</li>
<li>As with DSA, having a common profile reduces cost, so at an MOQ of 100, <b>the entire 134 keycap set as pictured would be $73*</b>.</li>
</ul>
</td></tr></table>
* Plus tax, shipping, handling, and any other fees, penalties, costs, tithes, waivers, donation, transfusions, etc. that may be required. YMMV!
Me, I'd like a long spacebar, and I know there are requests for ISO and other variants. So that is all TBD.
But for a complete 104-key set plus TWENTY special keycaps, $73* looks pretty damn good to me for Nuclear Data Green SA.
Does that look good to anyone else?
- Ron | samwisekoi
OK, who wants which "special" sets?
I see something like:
- Full 134-key set.
- ISO set (can also be used for that good old big-ass Enter key look!)
- Long (8u? 9u?) spacebar*
- Tsangan kit (1.5 - 1.0 - 1.5 - 7.0 - 1.5 - 1.0 - 1.5)
- Blanks
- Orange WASD?
- Ron | samwisekoi
OK, who wants which "special" sets?
I see something like:
- Full 134-key set.
- ISO set (can also be used for that good old big-ass Enter key look!)
- Long (8u? 9u?) spacebar*
- Tsangan kit (1.5 - 1.0 - 1.5 - 7.0 - 1.5 - 1.0 - 1.5)
- Blanks
- Orange WASD?
* I need to do some research on the SA Row 3 Semi-Matte long spacebars that are available. They show 6.2, 7, 8, and 9 in semi-matte. They do not show 9.75 or 10 SA spacebars in any finish. The original had an 8-wide spacebar with no mods. SP does have DCS matte-finish spacebars in 9.75 and 10.
Any of that interesting?
Regarding smaller kits, my personal plan is to use this on a 60-75% keyboard plus a separate keypad. But my experience watching group buys is that for every TKL buyer there is another buyer who wants to replace his number/symbol row with pure numbers. Personally, I'd like to reduce the number of group buy options and let the odd bits and pieces be re-distributed via trades and the classifieds.
So...
Q1. Who is gonna (a) demand which special keycaps sets AND (b) actually buy them if available?
Q2. Which long spacebar would you buy? What keycaps would be needed to fill a long-spacebar bottom row?
- Ron | samwisekoi
I'd prefer to keep the price down.
Maybe an extra kit or two containing other keys?
Proposed Nuclear Data Green Keycap Sets:
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Nope, they are not launched yet. Let's fix that.
First, some explanations of decisions made so far:
1. All Row 3 makes for a MUCH cheaper set and also permits re-arrangement for Dvorak, Colemak, etc.
2. All gloss was preferred, but NOT possible. All semi-matte IS possible, and provides a uniform finish.
3. Standard SA colors that look good and make the GB easier to manage and reduce arguments.
VV Dark Green Keycaps
WA Bright White Legends
OAS Orange for just a few special keycaps
Kits are not decided. I propose:
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<b>Proposed Nuclear Data Green Keycap Sets:</b>
<ul>
<li>Main Kit: As pictured with 134 keycaps.</li>
<li>ISO Kit</li>
<li>Tsangan Kit</li>
<li>Alternate Dished Keys Kit</li>
<li>Orange WASD and Arrows Kit</li>
<li>Blanks, including extra 6.2 and 7.0 spacebars.</li>
</ul></td></tr></table>
Matt3o, I'll send your proposed radiation icon.
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Nuclear Data Green SA Row 3 Profile Keycap Set by samwisekoi
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Nuclear radiation icon by Matt3o
Speak up now if I have missed something critical.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Nope, they are not launched yet. Let's fix that.
First, some explanations of decisions made so far:
1. All Row 3 makes for a MUCH cheaper set and also permits re-arrangement for Dvorak, Colemak, etc.
2. All gloss was preferred, but NOT possible. All semi-matte IS possible, and provides a uniform finish.
3. Standard SA colors that look good and make the GB easier to manage and reduce arguments.
VV Dark Green Keycaps
WA Bright White Legends
OAS Orange for just a few special keycaps
Kits are not decided. I propose:
<table bgcolor=white><tr><td width=400>
<b>Proposed Nuclear Data Green Keycap Sets:</b>
<ul>
<li>Main Kit: As pictured with 134 keycaps.</li>
<li>ISO Kit</li>
<li>Tsangan Kit</li>
<li>Alternate Dished Keys Kit</li>
<li>Orange WASD and Arrows Kit</li>
<li>Blanks, including extra 6.2 and 7.0 spacebars.</li>
</ul></td></tr></table>
Matt3o, I'll send your proposed radiation icon.
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Nuclear Data Green SA Row 3 Profile Keycap Set by samwisekoi
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Nuclear radiation icon by Matt3o
Speak up now if I have missed something critical.
- Ron | samwisekoi
All Row 3? :'(
/me cries.
I miss a lot of modifiers to be completely comfortable with this set, otherwise it's very nice. Maybe you are willing to add:
1u: ctrl x 2 / alt x 2 / fn x 2 / shift / backspace
1.25u: fn x 2
1.50u: fn x 2 / backspace
1.75u: fn / shift
but I'm pretty sure I'd be alone getting them
I miss a lot of modifiers to be completely comfortable with this set, otherwise it's very nice. Maybe you are willing to add:
1u: ctrl x 2 / alt x 2 / fn x 2 / shift / backspace
1.25u: fn x 2
1.50u: fn x 2 / backspace
1.75u: fn / shift
but I'm pretty sure I'd be alone getting them
Matt3o, can you please 'splain what they are all for?
I miss a lot of modifiers to be completely comfortable with this set, otherwise it's very nice. Maybe you are willing to add:
1u: ctrl x 2 / alt x 2 / fn x 2 / shift / backspace
1.25u: fn x 2
1.50u: fn x 2 / backspace
1.75u: fn / shift
but I'm pretty sure I'd be alone getting them
I miss a lot of modifiers to be completely comfortable with this set, otherwise it's very nice. Maybe you are willing to add:
1u: ctrl x 2 / alt x 2 / fn x 2 / shift / backspace
1.25u: fn x 2
1.50u: fn x 2 / backspace
1.75u: fn / shift
but I'm pretty sure I'd be alone getting them
Well, if I tag onto your request, it looks like there's only two more keys needed for the HHKB and SmallFry 40% layouts
::: HHKB :::
1u "| \"
::: SmallFry 40% :::
1u Alt x2
EDIT: Whoops, looks like I took too long to reply. Stupid lunch. LOL!
I miss a lot of modifiers to be completely comfortable with this set, otherwise it's very nice. Maybe you are willing to add:
1u: ctrl x 2 / alt x 2 / fn x 2 / shift / backspace
1.25u: fn x 2
1.50u: fn x 2 / backspace
1.75u: fn / shift
but I'm pretty sure I'd be alone getting them
Well, if I tag onto your request, it looks like there's only two more keys needed for the HHKB and SmallFry 40% layouts
::: HHKB :::
1u "| \"
::: SmallFry 40% :::
1u Alt x2
EDIT: Whoops, looks like I took too long to reply. Stupid lunch. LOL!
Aww. :( This would be good! Especially with upcoming Duck Viper and GH60, and the 40% GB.
Aww. :( This would be good! Especially with upcoming Duck Viper and GH60, and the 40% GB.
That's what I was thinking, but given that they are all 1u caps, it should be pretty easy replace with other caps if need be. It certainly won't keep me from buying the set. :p
Special Keyboard Extras Kit:
1.0 Specials (8 keycaps)
- CTRL x2
- ALT x2
- FN x2
- SHIFT x1
- BACK x1
1.25 Specials (2 keycaps)
- FN x2
1.50 Specials (3 keycaps)
- FN x2
- BACK x1
1.75 Specials (2 keycaps)
- FN x1
- SHIFT x1
I miss a lot of modifiers to be completely comfortable with this set, otherwise it's very nice. Maybe you are willing to add:
1u: ctrl x 2 / alt x 2 / fn x 2 / shift / backspace
1.25u: fn x 2
1.50u: fn x 2 / backspace
1.75u: fn / shift
but I'm pretty sure I'd be alone getting them
Well, if I tag onto your request, it looks like there's only two more keys needed for the HHKB and SmallFry 40% layouts
::: HHKB :::
1u "| \"
::: SmallFry 40% :::
1u Alt x2
EDIT: Whoops, looks like I took too long to reply. Stupid lunch. LOL!
I am happy to add the 1u "|\", but there already are two 1u ALT keycaps in the Specials Kit:
Group Buy has been launched with SP. I used my list (with the comma correction) plus Matt3o's "Special Keyboard Extras Kit".
As soon as I get confirmation back form SP I'll close this thread and open up a GB thread.
Many thanks to everyone who contributed ideas and expressed interest!
- Ron | samwisekoi
Group Buy has been launched with SP. I used my list (with the comma correction) plus Matt3o's "Special Keyboard Extras Kit".
As soon as I get confirmation back form SP I'll close this thread and open up a GB thread.
Many thanks to everyone who contributed ideas and expressed interest!
- Ron | samwisekoi
Any news on how long it might take to be approved and appear in their store?
Group Buy has been launched with SP. I used my list (with the comma correction) plus Matt3o's "Special Keyboard Extras Kit".
As soon as I get confirmation back form SP I'll close this thread and open up a GB thread.
Many thanks to everyone who contributed ideas and expressed interest!
- Ron | samwisekoi
Any news on how long it might take to be approved and appear in their store?
Rowdy is already chaffing at the bit to get these 8) .
Hoping we can all get these before Obama (trying desperately to copy Kennedy here) decides to bomb Russia, then we can all enjoy a real Nuclear Showdown :thumb: .
Any news on how long it might take to be approved and appear in their store?
Any news on how long it might take to be approved and appear in their store?
We have homework to do regarding the exact keycaps in each kit, the exact image files for the six custom keycaps, etc.
Matt3o is helping -- perhaps we'll have it all to them by end of week.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Take your time guys - a little bit longer in the planning stage could make all the difference!
Take your time guys - a little bit longer in the planning stage could make all the difference!
Speaking of planning, I'd just like to ask that you consider order fulfillment/shipping as well. There have been several group buys within the past year that were running on all cylinders, right up until the moment when packages were due to be shipped. Nothing is more frustrating to know that a really special keycap set is complete, but the shipper has flaked out, or is preoccupied with other stuff.
Shorter version: please see if you can get Mashby to do your shipping. :thumb:
I would say this will be done through SP's new system so SP will handle production and shipping.
But Mashby was a shipping machine for commando!
Add a blank 1.25 key to replace the PN key on pokers.
Ok like it or not... I'm involved in this GB too...
This would be my suggestion. Few well stabbed kits. I believe we still miss something but I hope you like how I distributed the keys.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3XwcN6D.png)
Thoughts?
as soon as samwisekoi wakes up and confirm my mockups. We may still add spare spacebars
Otherwise, I'd have to order an ISO kit just to get that one key.
Request: A 1.75-unit Enter/Return key, or some symbolic legend. :)
Request: A 1.75-unit Enter/Return key, or some symbolic legend. :)
Thought you weren't buying? :P
Request: A 1.75-unit Enter/Return key, or some symbolic legend. :)
Thought you weren't buying? :P
Doesn't mean people with JD40s won't want to buy in. :)
total drool fest.
this might be itShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/U1eHEUE.png)
we just miss the blanks, everything else should be there.
Finally, I saw that we forgot the Alternative Keyboard people, so we are adding Dvorak and Colemak homing keycaps (plus non-homing F and J.)
I'm down for this! Can we also have SUPER for those of us who don't want a WIN key on our nuclear terminals? :D
I'm down for this! Can we also have SUPER for those of us who don't want a WIN key on our nuclear terminals? :D
If you don't want the WIN key then use the "Nuclear Symbol" instead 8) . That's a far sexier emblem to use then the ancient "SUPER" word.
All Row 3? :'(
/me cries.
All Row 3? :'(
/me cries.
+1 to this.... SA is a sculpted profile. Please make this a full sculpted set... PLEASE.....
All Row 3? :'(
/me cries.
+1 to this.... SA is a sculpted profile. Please make this a full sculpted set... PLEASE.....
Sigh.
This was decided pages and pages ago, but I love you guys, so I went back and looked at profile availability AGAIN.
And guess what? We cannot get a full set for a modern keyboard in the same finish UNLESS we go all Row 3.
There are other reasons, including set cost, custom legends, use on Dvorak/Colemak, 60% keyboards, etc. But the core reason is that we cannot get all the keycaps in the same finish unless we go all Row 3.
At 6:39am, I cannot say for sure that I am sorry, but I certainly can apologize for the availability of ancient molds at SP.
We could do an awesome 4-row set with a terminal layout and odd mods, but not a modern TKL or 104 (or 60%) complete and correct layout.
Let's consider this an update for those who missed that sub-thread back in the long history of the [IC] thread.
On to the GB!
With apologies,
- Ron | samwisekoi
It has been done in other GBs: sculpted + row3 shifts. It's not that bad. Probably Midnight SA will be like that. But I agree that the appeal of Nuclear is the low price tag. So keep it row3.
With apologies,
- Ron | samwisekoi
Yes, those are SA keycaps -- in full sculpted, multi-profile glory. Nice!
Nuclear Data Green will have the profile of the center few rows and the spacebar in that photo.
Curse you, Perry the Platypus!* Those are some sexy FN keycaps. That is Row 1 SA Profile. The number row is Row 2. The next three (all of the alphas) are Row 3, and the bottom row is Row 4 with the exception of the spacebar, which is a convex Row 3 again.
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Signature Plastics' SA FAMILY high profile, spherical top, sculptured.
- Ron | samwisekoi
* Two Internet Points to whomever gets this reference.
Any idea on when SP are going to put it up on the group buy portion of pimpmykeyboard?
Plain R3 or with addons, I'm waiting with trigger finger poised to buy!
But then again, the picture rowdy posted looks so darn good..... I'd order a sculpted kit even though it will have different surface finish on certain keys (1.25x mods have to be matte). SP's "matte" finish SA profile keys have semi-matte sides, just the top surface is matte, so they won't look out of place, IMHO.
But then again, the picture rowdy posted looks so darn good..... I'd order a sculpted kit even though it will have different surface finish on certain keys (1.25x mods have to be matte). SP's "matte" finish SA profile keys have semi-matte sides, just the top surface is matte, so they won't look out of place, IMHO.
Typing on Calm Depths now with sculpted F1 and R2 key sections and all have that same matte finish on them. I don't know where you heard that only certain keys shall be finished differently?
The whole keyboard looks nice with the same surface finish on the upright face of all the keys displayed :thumb: .
@ron, wasn't this semi-matte finish?
you can't have row4 mods in semi-matte. (also spacebar is row3)
Thanks for the explanation, Sam! Sorry for throwing a spanner in the works...
To be honest, my ultimate dream version of this set would use Row 1 for F-keys AND numbers, row 2 for top row alphas, row 3 for mid, row 4 for bottom row alphas AND mods with row 3 spacebar, something like this:
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But I'm aware it will not be feasible for this GB. Also, it seems SP don't have molds for a 2x row 1 key, so backspace can't be row 1.... :( My big gripe is typing on non-sculpted alphas, particularly the bottom row of alphas for some reason.
But then again, the picture rowdy posted looks so darn good..... I'd order a sculpted kit even though it will have different surface finish on certain keys (1.25x mods have to be matte). SP's "matte" finish SA profile keys have semi-matte sides, just the top surface is matte, so they won't look out of place, IMHO.
This. Row 3 for bottom row sucks feels awkward on my KB coming from DCS.
Real easy solution for you, just go back to DCS ;) .
Argh! DCS? Don't listen to the New South Welshman, he's unhinged!
Ok, Since VesperSAINT's keyboard looks so awesome, AND because all of the alphas are Row 3 profile anyhow, I'm going to ask for pricing on the following add-on kit. NOTE: I'm just asking about pricing; I have not committed to adding this to the "Nuclear Data Green Old-Skool (SA Row 3 Profile) Keycap Set".
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Potential add-on kit to the SA Row 3 Profile set.
This would be an extra-cost add-on kit. As far as I can tell, it would retain the ability for Dvorak and Colemak using the alphas from the base kit. It also provides an answer for the people who are going to want to put numpad-style numbers on the top row. I have included a sub-set of bottom-row mods for both modern and winkeyless keyboards.
FYI: I currently believe that due to mold unavailability, some of these keycaps must be matte instead of the semi-matte used on 100% of the rest of the sets.
Gentlemen...
Gentlemen...
...start your engines...
That would mean you can't have sculpted keys and number keys with symbols, right?
That would mean you can't have sculpted keys and number keys with symbols, right?
Right. Not that anything is decided about additional row profiles anyhow.
That would mean you can't have sculpted keys and number keys with symbols, right?
Right. Not that anything is decided about additional row profiles anyhow.
I was afraid of that.
Hey, quick show of hands everyone, do the people who want non-symboled number keys also want the sculpted profile, or will a sculpted non-symbol set not interest you?
Time for everyone here to either put up or shut up here.
... This may be also the cheapest SA profile kit released thus far ...
Since the GB thread is locked, I'm gonna post it here.
The base set came back in stock on PMK now. I notice the picture of Deep Dish kit has "GUHTN"
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Since the base kit only has Deep Dish F, J keys, is there an error not to include a regular F, J in the Deep Dish kit?
Could Matt3o or anyone who already bought this kit confirm this?
Thanks!