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Title: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 08:22:34
(https://i.imgur.com/Supctjl.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/XD01HJF.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/s0E7wiY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/J85cQSg.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/uGMAuQV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/48PrL5O.jpg)

IC: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96716.0


Leaf 80 - 80% custom keyboard kit

Information:



Colors

Case colors:

0. Brass: only available for plate and weight. Brass parts will be polished or sand-blasted.

* Electrophoretic coating (e-coating) is technically similar to powder coating but way smoother, even smoother than most anodizing. The black and white e-coating are both matte colors.
** Gradient anodizing: blue on left and purple on the right side. The proportion of two colors will be 5:5 to 7:3. The separation line of top and bottom housings won't be exactly the same.

(https://i.imgur.com/Hu56LTo.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/yBvhFBi.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/8BCCRng.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/H9AWPe5.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/1ijdOkj.jpg)


- GB link on zFrontier: kit (https://en.zfrontier.com/products/leaf80), extra parts (https://en.zfrontier.com/products/leaf80ac)
- GB opens until 08/25 Eastern Time (ET)
- Expected shipping date: November 2018


Update: As several people asked, I decided to make a small batch of leaf 80 without the "leaf" engraving on the top case. Please PM me with your order # and screenshot if you want to remove the engraving. [/list]
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Signature on Wed, 15 August 2018, 09:22:31
Approved :D
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 09:24:47
Quote from: Signature on Wed, 15 August 2018, 09:22:31
Approved :D

Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: s3vv4 on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:01:49
Great price! Could you take photos with Cherry profile caps on?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: gt1989 on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:10:16
Would the plate and pcb from this board work with the TIME tkl?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:16:21
Quote from: s3vv4 on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:01:49
Great price! Could you take photos with Cherry profile caps on?

Will update photos in OP
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:16:35
Quote from: gt1989 on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:10:16
Would the plate and pcb from this board work with the TIME tkl?

Yes

Edit: the pcb works with Time TKL. the place doesn't
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Etherealsound on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:25:11
Is it possible to get one without the leaf name imprinted on the top?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: nzhoward on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:35:10
are there any pictures of the PCB? is mx and alps pcb the same? i dont see any distinction being made on the order page
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:37:31
Quote from: Etherealsound on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:25:11
Is it possible to get one without the leaf name imprinted on the top?

unfortunately no
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:38:53
Quote from: nzhoward on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:35:10
are there any pictures of the PCB? is mx and alps pcb the same? i dont see any distinction being made on the order page

The PCB is a revised version of the Time TKL PCB which supports both MX and ALPS. Some issues have been fixed in this version.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: //gainsborough on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:40:39
What color is the plate/insert in the yellow prototype you have?  I thought it was silver or grey but neither of those are options.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:44:35
Quote from: //gainsborough on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:40:39
What color is the plate/insert in the yellow prototype you have?  I thought it was silver or grey but neither of those are options.

That's MAO white
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: nzhoward on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:48:16
are extra aluminum plates sold out already?? :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: //gainsborough on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:54:22
Quote from: nzhoward on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:48:16
are extra aluminum plates sold out already?? :eek:

Bought one with extra PCB!  I'm so hyped!  Thanks, Senter!!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 11:00:15
Quote from: nzhoward on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:48:16
are extra aluminum plates sold out already?? :eek:

Hi nzhoward. You need to choose both of the two options.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: //gainsborough on Wed, 15 August 2018, 11:02:32
would the plate from the leaf80 fit inside a TIME TKL?  I'm thinking about taking this opportunity to upgrade my TIME TKL plate to brass.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: HappyCatFish on Wed, 15 August 2018, 11:32:30
Hm, thinking about making this my first alu custom Alps build... Now to hunt for keycaps!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 11:41:05
Quote from: //gainsborough on Wed, 15 August 2018, 11:02:32
would the plate from the leaf80 fit inside a TIME TKL?  I'm thinking about taking this opportunity to upgrade my TIME TKL plate to brass.

Time TKL plates can fit into leaf 80 but Leaf 80 plates won't fit into Time TKL.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 11:49:44
Quote from: HappyCatFish on Wed, 15 August 2018, 11:32:30
Hm, thinking about making this my first alu custom Alps build... Now to hunt for keycaps!

It's a pity there are so few options for ALPS keycaps. I'm using AT101 caps right now. It's enjoyable to type on nice ALPS but AT101 caps are a little too thin for me.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 15 August 2018, 12:01:58
What is the programming for the PCB like? QMK? BMC?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: aznreaper on Wed, 15 August 2018, 13:13:14
Is the normal weight silver for all colours? Would have been nice to have it green by default
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Maxusy on Wed, 15 August 2018, 13:53:29
Very nice to see a good custom kit without 8+degree angles! I love smaller angles (<5 ideally) and you guys are one of the few designers that make this type of keyboard.

The corners are a bit too rounded for my liking, but besides that it's a unique and beautiful design. Good luck with the gb.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 13:59:42
Quote from: LightningXI on Wed, 15 August 2018, 12:01:58
What is the programming for the PCB like? QMK? BMC?

can be programmed using BMC
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 14:00:43
Quote from: aznreaper on Wed, 15 August 2018, 13:13:14
Is the normal weight silver for all colours? Would have been nice to have it green by default

The weight is in the same color as the plate.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: mkarlsson on Wed, 15 August 2018, 14:01:37
Quote from: Maxusy on Wed, 15 August 2018, 13:53:29
Very nice to see a good custom kit without 8+degree angles! I love smaller angles (<5 ideally) and you guys are one of the few designers that make this type of keyboard.

The corners are a bit too rounded for my liking, but besides that it's a unique and beautiful design. Good luck with the gb.

+1 for smaller angles. I like something between 5 and 6 degrees.

And that price... it’s just too good to resist!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: bciamny on Wed, 15 August 2018, 14:08:38
no numpad :(.

in for one though. thanks senter.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: meiosis on Wed, 15 August 2018, 15:02:16
Can we order it without the leaf writing engraving? D:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: codyeatworld on Wed, 15 August 2018, 15:04:03
Quote from: meiosis on Wed, 15 August 2018, 15:02:16
Can we order it without the leaf writing engraving? D:

+1
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 15:49:32
Quote from: meiosis on Wed, 15 August 2018, 15:02:16
Can we order it without the leaf writing engraving? D:

Quote from: Etherealsound on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:25:11
Is it possible to get one without the leaf name imprinted on the top?

Quote from: codyeatworld on Wed, 15 August 2018, 15:04:03
Quote from: meiosis on Wed, 15 August 2018, 15:02:16
Can we order it without the leaf writing engraving? D:

+1

As several people asked, I decided to make a small batch of leaf 80 without the "leaf" engraving on the top case.

Please PM me with your order # and screenshot if you want to remove the engraving.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Jkush463 on Wed, 15 August 2018, 16:45:25
snagged a yellow, is there a limited number or before this ends will i be able to snag another?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 17:00:44
Quote from: Jkush463 on Wed, 15 August 2018, 16:45:25
snagged a yellow, is there a limited number or before this ends will i be able to snag another?

No limits
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 15 August 2018, 21:30:13
A bit of a stretch, but any chance for a ANSI only plate?  :p

Just a bit tired of having a wonky pipe key haha.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 21:40:47
Quote from: MxBlue on Wed, 15 August 2018, 21:30:13
A bit of a stretch, but any chance for a ANSI only plate?  :p

Just a bit tired of having a wonky pipe key haha.

No problem my friend. Just tell me the layout you want.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: nurupism on Wed, 15 August 2018, 22:01:31
Senter, I notice that there isn't an option for an WK Alps kit. If I ordered the Winkey MX kit + extra Alps plate, would that offer WK Alps support?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 22:12:40
Quote from: nurupism on Wed, 15 August 2018, 22:01:31
Senter, I notice that there isn't an option for an WK Alps kit. If I ordered the Winkey MX kit + extra Alps plate, would that offer WK Alps support?

The PCB was designed to support ALPS + WKL only. If you have some nice WK ALPS caps, I would suggest you to drill holes on the PCB and do the wiring. It requires some skills but it's feasible. I did it once. I can help you to change the case layout to WK if you want to do it. I can't guarantee it will work tho.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: FireBazooka on Wed, 15 August 2018, 22:32:49
Will the brass have some kind of coating to protect it from getting a patina?


And is it possible to get a different color plate and insert color?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: GeneriksGiraffe on Wed, 15 August 2018, 22:50:48
This looks amazing!! I just wish the GB didn't close in 10 days, I have to get my stuff together fast.

What case color/plate combo do you guys think looks best with a 9009/beige keyset?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: spyruf on Wed, 15 August 2018, 22:54:48
Any idea on how much shipping would be to USA? Would like to get an idea before I commit to purchasing.

Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: catamscott on Wed, 15 August 2018, 23:24:24
glad the gb is finally started, now to just decide what color i want........man, this decision may take the whole gb period  :))
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: bciamny on Thu, 16 August 2018, 01:17:32
Quote from: catamscott on Wed, 15 August 2018, 23:24:24
glad the gb is finally started, now to just decide what color i want........man, this decision may take the whole gb period  :))

seriously. i'm still thinking about whether i made the right choice. i think the e-coating chance for this board is too good to pass up but i love the gradient effect.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Peppermint216 on Thu, 16 August 2018, 01:19:39
Quote from: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 15:49:32

As several people asked, I decided to make a small batch of leaf 80 without the "leaf" engraving on the top case.

Please PM me with your order # and screenshot if you want to remove the engraving.

It's great you have allowed this but now I have a hard decision to make :)). The font on the logo is beautiful but I do love a clean design.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Peppermint216 on Thu, 16 August 2018, 01:20:55
Also any word on the pcb colour?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Peppermint216 on Thu, 16 August 2018, 01:24:29
No option to select raw or bead-blast brass parts?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Thu, 16 August 2018, 06:26:48
Quote from: FireBazooka on Wed, 15 August 2018, 22:32:49
Will the brass have some kind of coating to protect it from getting a patina?


And is it possible to get a different color plate and insert color?

no coating and not possible
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Thu, 16 August 2018, 06:28:23
Quote from: spyruf on Wed, 15 August 2018, 22:54:48
Any idea on how much shipping would be to USA? Would like to get an idea before I commit to purchasing.

should be around $45
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Thu, 16 August 2018, 06:33:11
Quote from: Peppermint216 on Thu, 16 August 2018, 01:20:55
Also any word on the pcb colour?

matte black
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Thu, 16 August 2018, 06:35:40
Quote from: Peppermint216 on Thu, 16 August 2018, 01:24:29
No option to select raw or bead-blast brass parts?

bead-blasting is the default option.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Bubblegum on Thu, 16 August 2018, 08:57:41
I'm in for the white/green combo! :)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: itskuroi on Thu, 16 August 2018, 09:17:31
ordered! tried to resist but couldn't say no to a low angled board...
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Delirious on Thu, 16 August 2018, 09:19:03
Quote from: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 22:12:40
Quote from: nurupism on Wed, 15 August 2018, 22:01:31
Senter, I notice that there isn't an option for an WK Alps kit. If I ordered the Winkey MX kit + extra Alps plate, would that offer WK Alps support?

The PCB was designed to support ALPS + WKL only. If you have some nice WK ALPS caps, I would suggest you to drill holes on the PCB and do the wiring. It requires some skills but it's feasible. I did it once. I can help you to change the case layout to WK if you want to do it. I can't guarantee it will work tho.

I can confirm the TIME pcb is actually very well put together for manual drilling.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Abec13 on Thu, 16 August 2018, 11:34:45
Is it possible to order the weight a different color from the plate?

I would love a white one, black plate, gold (yellow) weight.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: catamscott on Thu, 16 August 2018, 12:57:38
Quote from: Abec13 on Thu, 16 August 2018, 11:34:45
Is it possible to order the weight a different color from the plate?

I would love a white one, black plate, gold (yellow) weight.

see:
Quote from: senter on Thu, 16 August 2018, 06:26:48
Quote from: FireBazooka on Wed, 15 August 2018, 22:32:49
Will the brass have some kind of coating to protect it from getting a patina?


And is it possible to get a different color plate and insert color?

no coating and not possible

you could, however, get a separate aluminum or brass plate, or get a brass weight.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: BestShuckleNA on Thu, 16 August 2018, 15:35:27
Any pictures of MAO white vs ecoating white?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Jkush463 on Thu, 16 August 2018, 16:38:07
Quote from: Abec13 on Thu, 16 August 2018, 11:34:45
Is it possible to order the weight a different color from the plate?

I would love a white one, black plate, gold (yellow) weight.

as he sated above in comments no.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: itskuroi on Thu, 16 August 2018, 16:45:22
Quote from: BestShuckleNA on Thu, 16 August 2018, 15:35:27
Any pictures of MAO white vs ecoating white?

Can compare the electrocoated white case vs. the plate/insert on the yellow case, since that's MAO white.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: bminhz on Thu, 16 August 2018, 17:38:28
Can we see some red samples?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Thu, 16 August 2018, 22:49:53
Quote from: BestShuckleNA on Thu, 16 August 2018, 15:35:27
Any pictures of MAO white vs ecoating white?

(https://i.imgur.com/5NyCjC6.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: vtachkov on Thu, 16 August 2018, 22:56:02
Quote from: senter on Thu, 16 August 2018, 22:49:53
Quote from: BestShuckleNA on Thu, 16 August 2018, 15:35:27
Any pictures of MAO white vs ecoating white?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/5NyCjC6.jpg)


Wow that's like actual white unlike the greyish color that MAO is closer to. Sign me up Senter.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Pell99 on Fri, 17 August 2018, 03:14:07
Is it compatible with Time tkl PCB?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: s3vv4 on Fri, 17 August 2018, 07:08:37
Quote from: senter on Thu, 16 August 2018, 22:49:53
Quote from: BestShuckleNA on Thu, 16 August 2018, 15:35:27
Any pictures of MAO white vs ecoating white?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/5NyCjC6.jpg)


Thats so white, wow. How durable is ecoating?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Fri, 17 August 2018, 07:34:06
Quote from: bminhz on Thu, 16 August 2018, 17:38:28
Can we see some red samples?

I'll receive the color samples tomorrow.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Fri, 17 August 2018, 07:37:30
Quote from: Pell99 on Fri, 17 August 2018, 03:14:07
Is it compatible with Time tkl PCB?

Yes, Time TKL PCB can fit into leaf 80 housings
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Fri, 17 August 2018, 13:06:44
Quote from: s3vv4 on Fri, 17 August 2018, 07:08:37

Thats so white, wow. How durable is ecoating?

same level as anodizing. E-coating is widely used on vehicles and has been proved durable.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: parityb1t on Fri, 17 August 2018, 13:14:22
Is there no option for gradient plate?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Fri, 17 August 2018, 13:41:37
Quote from: parityb1t on Fri, 17 August 2018, 13:14:22
Is there no option for gradient plate?

no, since the plate won't be that noticeable after you put the caps on.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Sat, 18 August 2018, 10:45:16
(https://i.imgur.com/LVRfesb.jpg)

Green prototype
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green proto
Post by: oumakavoula on Sat, 18 August 2018, 11:00:27
hot damn
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green proto
Post by: Jkush463 on Sat, 18 August 2018, 11:37:15
ooo das nice
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green proto
Post by: s3vv4 on Sat, 18 August 2018, 12:46:29
That looks to fit very well to the hyper fuse origins green
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green proto
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 18 August 2018, 18:01:11
nice
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green proto
Post by: bciamny on Sat, 18 August 2018, 20:13:57
can we get a few shots of the weight? the shot of the green proto makes it seem like the weight may have a variable depth to it.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green proto
Post by: bthezebra on Sun, 19 August 2018, 00:06:09
Quote from: bciamny on Sat, 18 August 2018, 20:13:57
can we get a few shots of the weight? the shot of the green proto makes it seem like the weight may have a variable depth to it.
Just noticed that after you pointed it out, looks like something similar to the tkl no. 1 except that it is not also part of the plate or an outside accent to the board.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green proto
Post by: senter on Sun, 19 August 2018, 03:03:33
Quote from: bciamny on Sat, 18 August 2018, 20:13:57
can we get a few shots of the weight? the shot of the green proto makes it seem like the weight may have a variable depth to it.

(https://i.imgur.com/maAY1jt.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green proto
Post by: senter on Sun, 19 August 2018, 03:05:10
(https://i.imgur.com/1ijdOkj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XKhMqzj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/p5bZffW.jpg)

Red prototype is finished as well
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: MxBlue on Sun, 19 August 2018, 03:16:06


Quote from: senter on Sun, 19 August 2018, 03:05:10
Red prototype is finished as well

Love the colour selection, gotta have a picture of all of them together too! :D
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: oumakavoula on Sun, 19 August 2018, 03:27:21
one does one even chose from all of those ...
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: lovetree on Sun, 19 August 2018, 05:06:45
Hi, Senter.
Is this the same color of TIME TKL's Opera Red?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: senter on Sun, 19 August 2018, 10:14:06
Quote from: lovetree on Sun, 19 August 2018, 05:06:45
Hi, Senter.
Is this the same color of TIME TKL's Opera Red?

Not exactly the same color but close.

The blasting media used on Leaf will be finer to achieve a smoother finish. The finish also affects the color.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: Jkush463 on Sun, 19 August 2018, 10:38:04
my lord you are truly making it hard to not get another in red.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: spyruf on Sun, 19 August 2018, 15:24:04
Quote from: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:16:21
Quote from: s3vv4 on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:01:49
Great price! Could you take photos with Cherry profile caps on?

Will update photos in OP

Could you add these? I want to see how deep the caps sit before I purchase.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: kiwon0905 on Sun, 19 August 2018, 17:47:50
Does the pcb support north facing or south facing leds?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: Tree_ on Sun, 19 August 2018, 18:57:29
No pink? Figured it was going to be an option given it was in the IC renders.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: MxBlue on Sun, 19 August 2018, 18:59:16
Quote from: Tree_ on Sun, 19 August 2018, 18:57:29
No pink? Figured it was going to be an option given it was in the IC renders.
I suspect that was a play at a pastel red.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: GeneriksGiraffe on Sun, 19 August 2018, 19:14:53
Any chance you could make a custom silver-colored Leaf? I'd be willing to pay a lot extra.

Also, will the WKL Alps plate support traditional alps stabilizers or only cherry?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: GeneriksGiraffe on Sun, 19 August 2018, 19:23:27
Quote from: vtachkov on Thu, 16 August 2018, 22:56:02
Quote from: senter on Thu, 16 August 2018, 22:49:53
Quote from: BestShuckleNA on Thu, 16 August 2018, 15:35:27
Any pictures of MAO white vs ecoating white?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/5NyCjC6.jpg)


Wow that's like actual white unlike the greyish color that MAO is closer to. Sign me up Senter.

Which one is which? Is the one on the left the ecoating?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: MxBlue on Sun, 19 August 2018, 19:26:02
Quote from: GeneriksGiraffe on Sun, 19 August 2018, 19:23:27
Quote from: vtachkov on Thu, 16 August 2018, 22:56:02
Quote from: senter on Thu, 16 August 2018, 22:49:53
Quote from: BestShuckleNA on Thu, 16 August 2018, 15:35:27
Any pictures of MAO white vs ecoating white?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/5NyCjC6.jpg)


Wow that's like actual white unlike the greyish color that MAO is closer to. Sign me up Senter.

Which one is which? Is the one on the left the ecoating?
Yep, e-coating on the left, MAO on the right.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: lovetree on Sun, 19 August 2018, 21:14:22
Quote from: senter on Sun, 19 August 2018, 10:14:06
Quote from: lovetree on Sun, 19 August 2018, 05:06:45
Hi, Senter.
Is this the same color of TIME TKL's Opera Red?

Not exactly the same color but close.

The blasting media used on Leaf will be finer to achieve a smoother finish. The finish also affects the color.

Thank you for the information, Senter.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: spyruf on Mon, 20 August 2018, 00:17:49
Could you also provide specs on the PCB (wondering if I can install hotswap sockets).

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Switch-LED-hot-swap-32pcs-for-mechanical-keyboard-DIY-keyboard/32827918016.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.22.19293393pjTE0u&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10130_10342_10547_10343_10546_10340_10548_10341_315_10545_10696_531_10084_10083_10618_10307_5013515_5013615_10059_5013715_100031_10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620_5013815,searchweb201603_51,ppcSwitch_4&algo_expid=e6bcaf50-b0e2-4300-9101-8a5c32250bb3-3&algo_pvid=e6bcaf50-b0e2-4300-9101-8a5c32250bb3&priceBeautifyAB=0
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: loud_asian on Mon, 20 August 2018, 04:15:31
Is the plate/pcb compatible with other TKLs? I'd love to pick up an extra alps plate and pcb for my Mira or KE80.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Mon, 20 August 2018, 16:00:35
Quote from: spyruf on Sun, 19 August 2018, 15:24:04
Quote from: senter on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:16:21
Quote from: s3vv4 on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:01:49
Great price! Could you take photos with Cherry profile caps on?

Will update photos in OP

Could you add these? I want to see how deep the caps sit before I purchase.

haven't found a GMK set to match the case color but there's a photo  (https://imgur.com/1o37izJ) if you're only concerned about the depth caps can sit
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: senter on Mon, 20 August 2018, 16:03:34
Quote from: kiwon0905 on Sun, 19 August 2018, 17:47:50
Does the pcb support north facing or south facing leds?

south facing leds
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: senter on Mon, 20 August 2018, 16:05:59
Quote from: spyruf on Mon, 20 August 2018, 00:17:49
Could you also provide specs on the PCB (wondering if I can install hotswap sockets).

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Switch-LED-hot-swap-32pcs-for-mechanical-keyboard-DIY-keyboard/32827918016.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.22.19293393pjTE0u&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10130_10342_10547_10343_10546_10340_10548_10341_315_10545_10696_531_10084_10083_10618_10307_5013515_5013615_10059_5013715_100031_10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620_5013815,searchweb201603_51,ppcSwitch_4&algo_expid=e6bcaf50-b0e2-4300-9101-8a5c32250bb3-3&algo_pvid=e6bcaf50-b0e2-4300-9101-8a5c32250bb3&priceBeautifyAB=0

The PCB doesn't support these holtites
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: senter on Mon, 20 August 2018, 16:08:11
Quote from: loud_asian on Mon, 20 August 2018, 04:15:31
Is the plate/pcb compatible with other TKLs? I'd love to pick up an extra alps plate and pcb for my Mira or KE80.

I don't have the dimensions of other TKLs. I can share the dimension files for both plate and pcb if you need.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: loud_asian on Tue, 21 August 2018, 03:05:49
Quote from: senter on Mon, 20 August 2018, 16:08:11
Quote from: loud_asian on Mon, 20 August 2018, 04:15:31
Is the plate/pcb compatible with other TKLs? I'd love to pick up an extra alps plate and pcb for my Mira or KE80.

I don't have the dimensions of other TKLs. I can share the dimension files for both plate and pcb if you need.

Could you post the dimensions of the plate and PCB?

(https://i.imgur.com/XRDk30l.png)

The plate I have right now is 129.5mm x 351.5mm
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 21 August 2018, 04:55:11
Quote from: loud_asian on Tue, 21 August 2018, 03:05:49
Quote from: senter on Mon, 20 August 2018, 16:08:11
Quote from: loud_asian on Mon, 20 August 2018, 04:15:31
Is the plate/pcb compatible with other TKLs? I'd love to pick up an extra alps plate and pcb for my Mira or KE80.

I don't have the dimensions of other TKLs. I can share the dimension files for both plate and pcb if you need.

Could you post the dimensions of the plate and PCB?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/XRDk30l.png)


The plate I have right now is 129.5mm x 351.5mm

If this PCB is the same size as the Time TKL one it will fit almost any common TKL, the Time TKL PCB fits the LZ CLS
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 4 days to join!
Post by: bthezebra on Tue, 21 August 2018, 08:04:40
Quote from: kawasaki161 on Tue, 21 August 2018, 04:55:11
Quote from: loud_asian on Tue, 21 August 2018, 03:05:49
Quote from: senter on Mon, 20 August 2018, 16:08:11
Quote from: loud_asian on Mon, 20 August 2018, 04:15:31
Is the plate/pcb compatible with other TKLs? I'd love to pick up an extra alps plate and pcb for my Mira or KE80.

I don't have the dimensions of other TKLs. I can share the dimension files for both plate and pcb if you need.

Could you post the dimensions of the plate and PCB?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/XRDk30l.png)


The plate I have right now is 129.5mm x 351.5mm

If this PCB is the same size as the Time TKL one it will fit almost any common TKL, the Time TKL PCB fits the LZ CLS
I am unfamiliar but would it also fit a TX keyboard?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 4 days to join!
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 21 August 2018, 09:15:15
Quote from: bthezebra on Tue, 21 August 2018, 08:04:40
Quote from: kawasaki161 on Tue, 21 August 2018, 04:55:11
If this PCB is the same size as the Time TKL one it will fit almost any common TKL, the Time TKL PCB fits the LZ CLS
I am unfamiliar but would it also fit a TX keyboard?

Yes
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - updated with green and red proto
Post by: senter on Tue, 21 August 2018, 12:35:59
Quote from: loud_asian on Tue, 21 August 2018, 03:05:49
Quote from: senter on Mon, 20 August 2018, 16:08:11
Quote from: loud_asian on Mon, 20 August 2018, 04:15:31
Is the plate/pcb compatible with other TKLs? I'd love to pick up an extra alps plate and pcb for my Mira or KE80.

I don't have the dimensions of other TKLs. I can share the dimension files for both plate and pcb if you need.

Could you post the dimensions of the plate and PCB?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/XRDk30l.png)


The plate I have right now is 129.5mm x 351.5mm

The screw hole positions are different. For PCB dimensions you can refer to the file I attached.

Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 4 days to join!
Post by: vonswoopington on Tue, 21 August 2018, 18:56:42
Okay I really want the yellow but I can't figure out which caps would work with it besides Godspeed (which I don't have). If you're getting yellow what are you pairing it with?

I've got:

GMK Terminal (R2 soon)
GMK Plum
GMK Laser
GMK Coniferous
GMK Metaverse (in gb)
SA Pulse (recent MD gb)
SA Carbon

Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 4 days to join!
Post by: OracleKev on Tue, 21 August 2018, 19:46:43
Quote from: vonswoopington on Tue, 21 August 2018, 18:56:42
Okay I really want the yellow but I can't figure out which caps would work with it besides Godspeed (which I don't have). If you're getting yellow what are you pairing it with?

I've got:

GMK Terminal (R2 soon)
GMK Plum
GMK Laser
GMK Coniferous
GMK Metaverse (in gb)
SA Pulse (recent MD gb)
SA Carbon

Plum probably is your best bet since it works well with Gold case.
Other sets (they are nice~), I'm not that keen on.
Classic beige (9009, etc.) works well with pretty much everything.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 4 days to join!
Post by: bciamny on Tue, 21 August 2018, 22:44:15
Quote from: vonswoopington on Tue, 21 August 2018, 18:56:42
Okay I really want the yellow but I can't figure out which caps would work with it besides Godspeed (which I don't have). If you're getting yellow what are you pairing it with?

I've got:

GMK Terminal (R2 soon)
GMK Plum
GMK Laser
GMK Coniferous
GMK Metaverse (in gb)
SA Pulse (recent MD gb)
SA Carbon

yeah, i have similar thoughts on picking ecoat white. at least with white you can play off the white a particular set may have. with the yellow you have to rely more on softer color keysets. for example, i think dsa/jtk hana would go well with this. sa by the sea, sa bubbles. sa grand budapest. a lot of the more popular sets, many of which you have, tend to skew towards looking better on darker keyboards.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 4 days to join!
Post by: vonswoopington on Tue, 21 August 2018, 23:14:25
Quote from: bciamny on Tue, 21 August 2018, 22:44:15
yeah, i have similar thoughts on picking ecoat white. at least with white you can play off the white a particular set may have. with the yellow you have to rely more on softer color keysets. for example, i think dsa/jtk hana would go well with this. sa by the sea, sa bubbles. sa grand budapest. a lot of the more popular sets, many of which you have, tend to skew towards looking better on darker keyboards.

Quote from: OracleKev on Tue, 21 August 2018, 19:46:43
Plum probably is your best bet since it works well with Gold case.
Other sets (they are nice~), I'm not that keen on.
Classic beige (9009, etc.) works well with pretty much everything.

Yeah I think I might reconsider the yellow one then.  Ideally I don't want to be stuck using a few keysets. Thanks for the input!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 4 days to join!
Post by: senter on Wed, 22 August 2018, 21:04:53
Quote from: vonswoopington on Tue, 21 August 2018, 23:14:25
Quote from: bciamny on Tue, 21 August 2018, 22:44:15
yeah, i have similar thoughts on picking ecoat white. at least with white you can play off the white a particular set may have. with the yellow you have to rely more on softer color keysets. for example, i think dsa/jtk hana would go well with this. sa by the sea, sa bubbles. sa grand budapest. a lot of the more popular sets, many of which you have, tend to skew towards looking better on darker keyboards.

Quote from: OracleKev on Tue, 21 August 2018, 19:46:43
Plum probably is your best bet since it works well with Gold case.
Other sets (they are nice~), I'm not that keen on.
Classic beige (9009, etc.) works well with pretty much everything.

Yeah I think I might reconsider the yellow one then.  Ideally I don't want to be stuck using a few keysets. Thanks for the input!

Yellow anod case doesn't' get along with many keysets, that's also the reason why yellow is a rare color in customs. Silver, grey, and black cases can match almost all the keysets.
Rarity, however, is also a feature that many people in the community value a lot. We are providing this color to those who want rare colors, even not too many.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 3 days to join!
Post by: Jkush463 on Wed, 22 August 2018, 22:58:24
i got yellow and plan to use SA Berserk on it, think itll look pretty good.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 3 days to join!
Post by: chicagoboss25 on Thu, 23 August 2018, 02:48:07
Planning to get yellow and pair with SP Song Dynasty [1], I think it's going to work out really well even though both that keycap set and yellow anodized keyboard is really hard to match with anything else. Nice work foxlab team!  :thumb:

1. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94828.0
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 3 days to join!
Post by: Bubblegum on Thu, 23 August 2018, 04:26:37
For matching keysets with the yellow case you could probably also go with DSA Milkshake, DSA Peach, GMK Serika or SA/GMK Chocolatier!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 3 days to join!
Post by: senter on Thu, 23 August 2018, 08:09:50
Quote from: Bubblegum on Thu, 23 August 2018, 04:26:37
For matching keysets with the yellow case you could probably also go with DSA Milkshake, DSA Peach, GMK Serika or SA/GMK Chocolatier!

I bet GMK Serika will match the yellow Leaf 80 very well.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 2 days to join!
Post by: clasicks on Thu, 23 August 2018, 09:42:28
Senter, i am extremely tempted by the fade anno, can you show* the meeting of the two halves on your prototype? Would like to see how close/far they got on that particular unit

Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 2 days to join!
Post by: senter on Thu, 23 August 2018, 22:14:34
Quote from: KeyboardUser4 on Thu, 23 August 2018, 09:42:28
Senter, i am extremely tempted by the fade anno, can you show* the meeting of the two halves on your prototype? Would like to see how close/far they got on that particular unit

(https://i.imgur.com/NDywFqY.jpg)

Is this helpful?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 2 days to join!
Post by: clasicks on Thu, 23 August 2018, 22:18:04
oh duh, you can see it all in every shot. lol. thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 2 days to join!
Post by: gutsack on Thu, 23 August 2018, 23:02:21
Bought one!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 1 day to join!
Post by: vtachkov on Fri, 24 August 2018, 20:46:52
Finally made my decision on which colors to get. Can't wait Senter! (Also no more founders editions?)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 1 day to join!
Post by: vonswoopington on Sat, 25 August 2018, 14:14:28
Ok guys white case with metaverse or fade Anno with something like SA Pulse?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 1 day to join!
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 25 August 2018, 15:29:41
Quote from: vonswoopington on Sat, 25 August 2018, 14:14:28
Ok guys white case with metaverse or fade Anno with something like SA Pulse?

both good options, not close enough to compare really
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: meiosis on Sun, 26 August 2018, 02:42:46
Let the wait begin

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

Also first gb in probably 3 years
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80 - last 1 day to join!
Post by: dimo on Sun, 26 August 2018, 10:03:00
Quote from: vonswoopington on Sat, 25 August 2018, 14:14:28
Ok guys white case with metaverse or fade Anno with something like SA Pulse?

Fade ano with epbt or gmk BoW would look good
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: lovetree on Mon, 27 August 2018, 07:50:15
Let's start the waiting game.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 31 August 2018, 09:14:31
Quote from: lovetree on Mon, 27 August 2018, 07:50:15
Let's start the waiting game.

it's a foxlab GB so you won't be waiting too long
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: fublamchu on Thu, 27 September 2018, 13:13:41
Any updates perhaps?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: itskuroi on Thu, 27 September 2018, 13:21:17
Quote from: fublamchu on Thu, 27 September 2018, 13:13:41
Any updates perhaps?

https://en.zfrontier.com/blogs/project-updates/project-updates-sept-25-2018

On schedule.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Jkush463 on Thu, 11 October 2018, 13:14:38
So i just realized i opted to upgrade my weight not buy a second weight, if anyone wants to sell the aluminum one ill buy. Figure its kind of late to try and get it added.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Thu, 11 October 2018, 20:03:30

Quote from: Jkush463 on Thu, 11 October 2018, 13:14:38
So i just realized i opted to upgrade my weight not buy a second weight, if anyone wants to sell the aluminum one ill buy. Figure its kind of late to try and get it added.

PM me if no one contacts you.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Thu, 11 October 2018, 20:11:20
Quote from: deleonhle on Thu, 27 September 2018, 13:21:17
Quote from: fublamchu on Thu, 27 September 2018, 13:13:41
Any updates perhaps?

https://en.zfrontier.com/blogs/project-updates/project-updates-sept-25-2018

On schedule.


Update:

Top and bottom cases: CNC finished, waiting for anodizing
Plates: waiting for anodizing
Weight: manufacturing
PCB: manufacturing
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: meiosis on Thu, 11 October 2018, 21:22:04
Quote from: senter on Thu, 11 October 2018, 20:11:20
Quote from: deleonhle on Thu, 27 September 2018, 13:21:17
Quote from: fublamchu on Thu, 27 September 2018, 13:13:41
Any updates perhaps?

https://en.zfrontier.com/blogs/project-updates/project-updates-sept-25-2018

On schedule.



Update:

Top and bottom cases: CNC finished, waiting for anodizing
Plates: waiting for anodizing
Weight: manufacturing
PCB: manufacturing


 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: bciamny on Fri, 12 October 2018, 00:14:01
Quote from: senter on Thu, 11 October 2018, 20:11:20
Quote from: deleonhle on Thu, 27 September 2018, 13:21:17
Quote from: fublamchu on Thu, 27 September 2018, 13:13:41
Any updates perhaps?

https://en.zfrontier.com/blogs/project-updates/project-updates-sept-25-2018

On schedule.


Update:

Top and bottom cases: CNC finished, waiting for anodizing
Plates: waiting for anodizing
Weight: manufacturing
PCB: manufacturing

awesome. senter i hope your team is considering making a matching numpad. (yes, it's me, still asking hehe)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Jkush463 on Fri, 12 October 2018, 16:17:19
Quote from: bciamny on Fri, 12 October 2018, 00:14:01
Quote from: senter on Thu, 11 October 2018, 20:11:20
Quote from: deleonhle on Thu, 27 September 2018, 13:21:17
Quote from: fublamchu on Thu, 27 September 2018, 13:13:41
Any updates perhaps?

https://en.zfrontier.com/blogs/project-updates/project-updates-sept-25-2018

On schedule.


Update:

Top and bottom cases: CNC finished, waiting for anodizing
Plates: waiting for anodizing
Weight: manufacturing
PCB: manufacturing

awesome. senter i hope your team is considering making a matching numpad. (yes, it's me, still asking hehe)


I for one would love a matching num pad a swell. so you are not alone in that one.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Peppermint216 on Sun, 04 November 2018, 06:33:49
Update on progress? Shipping was expected Nov.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: 112227 on Sun, 04 November 2018, 06:36:16
anyone looking to sell their board/spot hit me up! Especially that yellow.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Sun, 04 November 2018, 08:15:40
Quote from: Peppermint216 on Sun, 04 November 2018, 06:33:49
Update on progress? Shipping was expected Nov.

CNC all finished. Anodizing is still ongoing but should be finished within 1 week.
We're expected to ship all the kits to zFrontier around Nov. 15 after the first round QC. zFrontier then will ship all the packages to you after the second round QC.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Jkush463 on Sun, 04 November 2018, 10:21:18
Quote from: senter on Sun, 04 November 2018, 08:15:40
Quote from: Peppermint216 on Sun, 04 November 2018, 06:33:49
Update on progress? Shipping was expected Nov.

CNC all finished. Anodizing is still ongoing but should be finished within 1 week.
We're expected to ship all the kits to zFrontier around Nov. 15 after the first round QC. zFrontier then will ship all the packages to you after the second round QC.

dang moving quickly! glad to hear
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: rope on Sun, 04 November 2018, 12:45:15
Quote from: senter on Sun, 04 November 2018, 08:15:40
Quote from: Peppermint216 on Sun, 04 November 2018, 06:33:49
Update on progress? Shipping was expected Nov.

CNC all finished. Anodizing is still ongoing but should be finished within 1 week.
We're expected to ship all the kits to zFrontier around Nov. 15 after the first round QC. zFrontier then will ship all the packages to you after the second round QC.
oooo, very exciting!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: o3okevin on Sun, 04 November 2018, 14:10:34
Can't wait, great news!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: OracleKev on Sun, 04 November 2018, 19:10:41
Quote from: senter on Sun, 04 November 2018, 08:15:40
Quote from: Peppermint216 on Sun, 04 November 2018, 06:33:49
Update on progress? Shipping was expected Nov.

CNC all finished. Anodizing is still ongoing but should be finished within 1 week.
We're expected to ship all the kits to zFrontier around Nov. 15 after the first round QC. zFrontier then will ship all the packages to you after the second round QC.

Really like the quick progress!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Dennyroxsox on Mon, 05 November 2018, 09:31:16
Great progress. I'm itching for a new build!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Thu, 15 November 2018, 12:29:41
Update:

(https://i.imgur.com/HXBnWJs.jpg)

Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Thu, 15 November 2018, 12:32:35
We found that gradient cases look much better along with gradient plates, so everyone who ordered gradient anodizing cases will get one additional gradient plate.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: The_judge_168 on Thu, 15 November 2018, 14:40:26
Looks really good! Any chance of extras?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: vewy_nice on Thu, 15 November 2018, 14:47:03
I'd also be interested in an extra :) I really wanted this board, but I dropped off the face of the keyboard community for a little bit and missed the deadline.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: rope on Thu, 15 November 2018, 15:17:30
Quote from: senter on Thu, 15 November 2018, 12:29:41
Update:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/HXBnWJs.jpg)


  • Production finished
  • First round QC finished
  • Boxes will arrive tomorrow. It was delayed for three days due to the 11/11 Taobao sale.
  • All the packages will be shipped to zFrontier this week. zFrontier will ship the boards to you after second round QC.

oof, this is beautiful!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Jkush463 on Thu, 15 November 2018, 16:42:24
how many yellow were ordered lol? that might be my yellow/moa white one there lol looks nice!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: //gainsborough on Thu, 15 November 2018, 17:26:58
Quote from: Jkush463 on Thu, 15 November 2018, 16:42:24
how many yellow were ordered lol? that might be my yellow/moa white one there lol looks nice!

I did!  Though mine was alps, and it looks like the one in the pic is MX.  I know of another in the community that also ordered yellow with an alps plate as well.

I really like how it turned out!  I'm excited for my build!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Jkush463 on Thu, 15 November 2018, 17:30:59
Quote from: //gainsborough on Thu, 15 November 2018, 17:26:58
Quote from: Jkush463 on Thu, 15 November 2018, 16:42:24
how many yellow were ordered lol? that might be my yellow/moa white one there lol looks nice!

I did!  Though mine was alps, and it looks like the one in the pic is MX.  I know of another in the community that also ordered yellow with an alps plate as well.

I really like how it turned out!  I'm excited for my build!

this may be mine then i ordered mx and i'm glad i was not the only one that got yellow! cant wait to see how they all turn out they look great.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: meiosis on Thu, 15 November 2018, 18:31:40
Quote from: senter on Thu, 15 November 2018, 12:29:41
Update:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/HXBnWJs.jpg)


  • Production finished
  • First round QC finished
  • Boxes will arrive tomorrow. It was delayed for three days due to the 11/11 Taobao sale.
  • All the packages will be shipped to zFrontier this week. zFrontier will ship the boards to you after second round QC.

Any picture of a MAO with green leaf :I?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: nzhoward on Fri, 16 November 2018, 10:55:51
interested if someone is selling a spot. also would be interested in extras!  :thumb: :thumb: reddit handle is /u/nzhoward
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: vtachkov on Fri, 16 November 2018, 14:02:39
Can't wait to get my white case, GMK camping has been sitting in the box waiting for it. That looks so much better than MAO. Does anyone know how the electrophoresis white feels to the touch?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: rookybomb on Sat, 17 November 2018, 04:51:45
please Check my email... Plaease

Hi, I have ordered leaf 80 WKL(ALPS support) order number #ZFI28175348.
below, I have requested order list.

- yellow top and bottom case
- white wkl alps plate and pcb

and "additional" cherry plate and pcb "NOT" change those.
I think ... This is Conversation Mistake. I'm very embarrassed
(Because I have sent you email which requested additional cherry plate and pcb)
I really want alps plate and pcb ...
So, Could you send me Alps set and If you could extra cherry and plate , please send me paypal invoice.
I will fee extra charge.
Result : I want alps plate and pcb + cherry plate and pcb OK?
Thank you for your honor, and Please send me together. Thx :)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: MxBlue on Sat, 17 November 2018, 04:54:51
Quote from: Bombsu Seong on Sat, 17 November 2018, 04:51:45
please Check my email... Plaease

Hi, I have ordered leaf 80 WKL(ALPS support) order number #ZFI28175348.
below, I have requested order list.

- yellow top and bottom case
- alps plate and pcb

and "additional" cherry plate and pcb "NOT" change those.
I think ... This is Conversation Mistake. I'm very embarrassed
(Because I have sent you email which requested additional cherry plate and pcb)
I really want alps plate and pcb ...
So, Could you send me Alps set and If you could extra cherry and plate , please send me paypal invoice.
I will fee extra charge.
Thank you for your honor, and Please send me together. Thx :)

Have you tried contacting zFrontier via their email support@zfrontier.com?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Sat, 17 November 2018, 07:45:50
Quote from: Bombsu Seong on Sat, 17 November 2018, 04:51:45
please Check my email... Plaease

Hi, I have ordered leaf 80 WKL(ALPS support) order number #ZFI28175348.
below, I have requested order list.

- yellow top and bottom case
- white wkl alps plate and pcb

and "additional" cherry plate and pcb "NOT" change those.
I think ... This is Conversation Mistake. I'm very embarrassed
(Because I have sent you email which requested additional cherry plate and pcb)
I really want alps plate and pcb ...
So, Could you send me Alps set and If you could extra cherry and plate , please send me paypal invoice.
I will fee extra charge.
Result : I want alps plate and pcb + cherry plate and pcb OK?
Thank you for your honor, and Please send me together. Thx :)

I didn't receive your email. Please PM me your email address.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: rookybomb on Sat, 17 November 2018, 10:30:39
Sent pm. Please check!!!thx :))
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Rumblehotep on Tue, 20 November 2018, 17:27:35
The gradient anodization has me thinking, how hard would it be to do a full rainbow gradient?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: rookybomb on Tue, 20 November 2018, 17:40:46
Sent pm. Please check!!!thx :))
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: blizzara01 on Sat, 24 November 2018, 02:27:56
Giff us round 2 pls  :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: 112227 on Sat, 24 November 2018, 02:47:55
Anyone want to give up there spot ?  :p
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: fublamchu on Sun, 25 November 2018, 10:21:52
Any updates about shipping?

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Sun, 25 November 2018, 12:37:23
All the kits have been QCed and sent to zFrontier earlier this week. Some Chinese buyers have already received their boards. I don't know zFrontier's schedule on shipping international orders but it should be very soon.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Jkush463 on Sun, 25 November 2018, 15:19:34
YAY!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: itskuroi on Tue, 27 November 2018, 02:16:43
just got my shipping invoice for NA and paid. exciting!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: BestShuckleNA on Tue, 27 November 2018, 02:34:12
Same! Can't wait and thankfully it's DHL so I won't have to worry about Canada Post strike

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Jkush463 on Tue, 27 November 2018, 08:30:43
Just woke up and found my shipping invoice, paid and super excited, cant wait.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: gutsack on Fri, 30 November 2018, 12:50:52
Received my shipping invoice this morning (NA).
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: itskuroi on Fri, 30 November 2018, 13:58:38
Talked to Alex and shipping should hopefully begin next week or after that.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: itskuroi on Tue, 04 December 2018, 08:02:19
got my shipping notification~
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Bubblegum on Tue, 04 December 2018, 11:22:25
Quote from: deleonhle on Tue, 04 December 2018, 08:02:19
got my shipping notification~

Me too! :)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Jkush463 on Tue, 04 December 2018, 16:42:32
mine says it will be here tomorrow super excited.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: //gainsborough on Wed, 05 December 2018, 20:02:33
I just got mine!  The yellow color looks really cool!  The only thing is that I'm pretty sure the order is partially wrong.  I thought it was not possible to get two different colors for the plate/weight.  I recieved a MAO plate (which I ordered) but then got a gold weight, when I thought it was also supposed to be MAO.  Here's a pic:

(https://i.ibb.co/PcyskY5/photo-2018-12-05-17-58-52.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tq6wRhb)

Is this an oversight on my part for missing an option or an error on Zfrontier's part?  Can it be fixed at all?  I definitely wanted weight in MAO white!


edit: this is what my order looked like

(https://i.ibb.co/Y2yHqR6/Capture.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 05 December 2018, 20:10:07
Show Image
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Quote from: //gainsborough on Wed, 05 December 2018, 20:02:33
I just got mine!  The yellow color looks really cool!  The only thing is that I'm pretty sure the order is partially wrong.  I thought it was not possible to get two different colors for the plate/weight.  I recieved a MAO plate (which I ordered) but then got a gold weight, when I thought it was also supposed to be MAO.  Here's a pic:

(https://i.ibb.co/PcyskY5/photo-2018-12-05-17-58-52.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tq6wRhb)


Is this an oversight on my part for missing an option or an error on Zfrontier's part?  Can it be fixed at all?  I definitely wanted a MAO weight!


edit: this is what my order looked like

(https://i.ibb.co/Y2yHqR6/Capture.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

did you order a brass weight? i don't see what weight you ordered in that pic
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: //gainsborough on Wed, 05 December 2018, 20:19:14
Quote from: Puddsy on Wed, 05 December 2018, 20:10:07
did you order a brass weight? i don't see what weight you ordered in that pic

Isn't what I ordered the smaller text under each item?  "Yellow / MAO (white)" - I take that to mean "yellow case / MAO plate/weight"  IIRC there was no individual option for plate and weight, it was under one option together.  The extra item I got was an extra PCB.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 05 December 2018, 20:22:43
Quote from: Puddsy on Wed, 05 December 2018, 20:10:07
did you order a brass weight? i don't see what weight you ordered in that pic

Lol you should stop posting in threads you have no clue about. There were 2 options, one for case colour and one for plate/weight colour.

Gainsborough, you should send an email to zfrontier support, they should be able to help you out.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: //gainsborough on Wed, 05 December 2018, 20:27:08
Quote from: MxBlue on Wed, 05 December 2018, 20:22:43

Lol you should stop posting in threads you have no clue about. There were 2 options, one for case colour and one for plate/weight colour.

Gainsborough, you should send an email to zfrontier support, they should be able to help you out.

Thanks, mate!  I sent senter a PM but I'll email zfrontier as well!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: itskuroi on Thu, 06 December 2018, 13:31:07
board came in. looks fantastic! weight fits a little loose but some tape will fix that. e-white feels kind of like a super smooth cerakoted board. love it

ordered fixed plates, didn't know universal would also be included, so now i have 4 plates and 2 pcbs lol.  anyone know the size of the rubber bumpon feet? i didn't receive any.

(https://i.imgur.com/3NL8JOG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jwegQmG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KJZPnfd.jpg)

can't wait to get it built.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Peppermint216 on Thu, 06 December 2018, 13:38:44
Bumpons measure 10mm. They are black anyway so you'll wanna get some clear ones on that white board.

My board came in today too, it's flawless really, CNC and anodising is amazing. Only issue is a small scratch on the brass bottom leaf. That and the weight is mounted with pan head screws when the weight itself is countersunk.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Peppermint216 on Thu, 06 December 2018, 15:30:34
 (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181206/5cfaadbb325197db0d32e005497410f9.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181206/7e5b4a6354d1ea422c7fb6ac39417032.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: rope on Thu, 06 December 2018, 15:50:04
ooooffff these look so good, very excited for when i get my shipping notification, and receiving it of course!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: loud_asian on Thu, 06 December 2018, 16:13:06
Any pics of the mounting tabs for the plate?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Jkush463 on Thu, 06 December 2018, 16:44:33
Got mine today its amazing and came packaged great. Very pleased, will throw some pic up later.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Delirious on Thu, 06 December 2018, 17:05:31
Quote from: loud_asian on Thu, 06 December 2018, 16:13:06
Any pics of the mounting tabs for the plate?

An exact copy of the Time and Fox Orange for the plate I think. From my initial impression anyway. Will take more pictures tomorrow. Really please with the end results.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Jkush463 on Thu, 06 December 2018, 19:10:24
https://imgur.com/a/QEGrp94 (https://imgur.com/a/QEGrp94)

Heres my Leaf80, i got a extra brass plate and weight as well i didnt bother to take a photo of very happy with this kit. it looks amazing i just have one slight flaw on my brass weight but im not too worried about it.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Dennyroxsox on Thu, 06 December 2018, 20:28:07
Got my board in today. E-black with MAO plate/leaf looks incredible.

Any possibility of selling extra parts? I think I want an extra PCB + ALPs plate, and I'm dumb for not ordering them before.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Jkush463 on Thu, 06 December 2018, 21:42:28
Quote from: Peppermint216 on Thu, 06 December 2018, 15:30:34
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181206/5cfaadbb325197db0d32e005497410f9.jpg)
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181206/7e5b4a6354d1ea422c7fb6ac39417032.jpg)


my brass weight has this too its not a scratch but a spot where its not milled down i can feel it with my nail
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Peppermint216 on Fri, 07 December 2018, 02:11:23
Quote from: Jkush463 on Thu, 06 December 2018, 21:42:28

my brass weight has this too its not a scratch but a spot where its not milled down i can feel it with my nail
Yeah I see now, the CNC on the alu weight is not as nice as the brass (aside from the mark).(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181207/8ceaab6aaa2644c5cd181b07af5701e1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181207/749d2101e7cb689b93a677b29119e9ec.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: //gainsborough on Tue, 11 December 2018, 19:05:56
Just finished building mine!  I had minor setbacks with a whole caps lock fiasco, but I'm very pleased with how it turned out!

(https://i.ibb.co/wSdV9my/leaf80.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sKgn0Yj)

(https://i.ibb.co/QX2XN42/leaf-80.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rvCv6VC)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: catamscott on Tue, 11 December 2018, 20:53:44
Show Image
Show Image
Quote from: //gainsborough on Tue, 11 December 2018, 19:05:56
Just finished building mine!  I had minor setbacks with a whole caps lock fiasco, but I'm very pleased with how it turned out!

(https://i.ibb.co/wSdV9my/leaf80.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sKgn0Yj)


(https://i.ibb.co/QX2XN42/leaf-80.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rvCv6VC)

hot damn, that's one good looking board
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: redbanshee on Tue, 11 December 2018, 20:58:42
can someone please take a clear pic of the front and back of the PCB included so we can update the PCB compat list, please!!


(https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GpM--fKeDw_tIDZj4m2jmbMavSyXeOu3QHzfTJwz-IM)

thanks guys!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: mudcakehoney on Tue, 11 December 2018, 21:35:17
Keen to see what Foxlab’s next project is. Been a consistently quality product so far
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: o3okevin on Tue, 11 December 2018, 21:49:13
Would definitely love a chance at some extra parts (PCB, plates, etc)!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Audiobs on Wed, 12 December 2018, 01:36:55
Got a Yellow/Cyan and it's gorgeous. I think the new GMK Hyperfuse Remix would look great with this gold-ish yellow.

https://imgur.com/a/t9Fo4vj
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: BestShuckleNA on Wed, 12 December 2018, 21:31:21
Have to admit I'm a little disappointed in the "green" it's definitely cyan or seafoam green at best in the daylight.. was definitely hoping for a bit more green in there vs bright blue...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181213/98519b371e7cc77bea1c1f018469e2e9.jpg)

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: meiosis on Wed, 12 December 2018, 21:45:07
Did you get Mao or electro? I got the same config and noticed that too but I don't think it's that bad since most of it isn't visable
Quote from: BestShuckleNA on Wed, 12 December 2018, 21:31:21
Have to admit I'm a little disappointed in the "green" it's definitely cyan or seafoam green at best in the daylight.. was definitely hoping for a bit more green in there vs bright blue...
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181213/98519b371e7cc77bea1c1f018469e2e9.jpg)


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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: BestShuckleNA on Wed, 12 December 2018, 21:51:58
Electro white I'm definitely pleased with, yeah I would have been a lot more upset if I went with green case instead of the ecoating white

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Ion1337 on Wed, 12 December 2018, 22:52:35
I still haven't received my shipping notification. Should I be concerned?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: meiosis on Wed, 12 December 2018, 23:01:45
I haven't either and I paid as soon as I got it

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 13 December 2018, 02:54:12
Quote from: BestShuckleNA on Wed, 12 December 2018, 21:31:21
Have to admit I'm a little disappointed in the "green" it's definitely cyan or seafoam green at best in the daylight.. was definitely hoping for a bit more green in there vs bright blue...
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181213/98519b371e7cc77bea1c1f018469e2e9.jpg)


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my money is on a translation issue

color names are particularly hard to translate from chinese to english

Quote from: Ion1337 on Wed, 12 December 2018, 22:52:35
I still haven't received my shipping notification. Should I be concerned?

zf probably shipping in waves, but can't hurt to shoot em an email
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 13 December 2018, 03:16:29
Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 13 December 2018, 02:54:12
my money is on a translation issue

color names are particularly hard to translate from chinese to english

Senter speaks fluent English and I suspect fluent Chinese too, I doubt it. Just seems like an unfortunate case of mismatched colours in production or just a photo that didn't represent what he had in his head.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 13 December 2018, 03:31:02
Quote from: MxBlue on Thu, 13 December 2018, 03:16:29
Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 13 December 2018, 02:54:12
my money is on a translation issue

color names are particularly hard to translate from chinese to english

Senter speaks fluent English and I suspect fluent Chinese too, I doubt it. Just seems like an unfortunate case of mismatched colours in production or just a photo that didn't represent what he had in his head.

there's no word for teal in chinese as far as i know, i've seen it written with the same word as green a few times

then again my chinese isn't super great so i could be totally wrong
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Thu, 13 December 2018, 12:35:48
Quote from: MxBlue on Thu, 13 December 2018, 03:16:29
Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 13 December 2018, 02:54:12
my money is on a translation issue

color names are particularly hard to translate from chinese to english

Senter speaks fluent English and I suspect fluent Chinese too, I doubt it. Just seems like an unfortunate case of mismatched colours in production or just a photo that didn't represent what he had in his head.

Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 13 December 2018, 03:31:02
Quote from: MxBlue on Thu, 13 December 2018, 03:16:29
Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 13 December 2018, 02:54:12
my money is on a translation issue

color names are particularly hard to translate from chinese to english

Senter speaks fluent English and I suspect fluent Chinese too, I doubt it. Just seems like an unfortunate case of mismatched colours in production or just a photo that didn't represent what he had in his head.

there's no word for teal in chinese as far as i know, i've seen it written with the same word as green a few times

then again my chinese isn't super great so i could be totally wrong

Quote from: BestShuckleNA on Wed, 12 December 2018, 21:31:21
Have to admit I'm a little disappointed in the "green" it's definitely cyan or seafoam green at best in the daylight.. was definitely hoping for a bit more green in there vs bright blue...
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181213/98519b371e7cc77bea1c1f018469e2e9.jpg)


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I must admit the green plates have a little color difference compared with the other green parts. Light colors except silver are always difficult to be accurate, especially on the thin plates.

Here (https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/10767) are some comparisons between the green plate and other green parts. Apparently, the plate is a little lighter but not terribly imo. The color of other green parts should be pretty much the same as the prototype I showed before.

Thanks Blue, I always thought my English is terrible. The language barrier does exist but I think it's not the case. It's more like a culture difference. In Chinese, there's a lack of formal color names. I'm learning all kinds of stuff in English but I'm not sure if I can make it right everytime.

Hi Puddsy. The teal color can be called Tiffany color in Chinese because Tiffany used it a lot. Some people know it, some don't. Your point stands I think. The green color provided in this GB was called "Green". My understanding is that it means all possible shades of green. I provided color samples in OP and that's the shade of green provided.  Unfortunately, the green plates are little lighter as I said. I'm sorry about that.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Thu, 13 December 2018, 12:37:12
Quote from: meiosis on Wed, 12 December 2018, 23:01:45
I haven't either and I paid as soon as I got it

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Quote from: Ion1337 on Wed, 12 December 2018, 22:52:35
I still haven't received my shipping notification. Should I be concerned?

Please PM me your order numbers.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Thu, 13 December 2018, 12:41:28
Quote from: Dennyroxsox on Thu, 06 December 2018, 20:28:07
Got my board in today. E-black with MAO plate/leaf looks incredible.

Any possibility of selling extra parts? I think I want an extra PCB + ALPs plate, and I'm dumb for not ordering them before.

Quote from: o3okevin on Tue, 11 December 2018, 21:49:13
Would definitely love a chance at some extra parts (PCB, plates, etc)!

List of leftovers:

All parts are FCFS. PM me if you're interested.

Edit: I'm on a travel and will be available to reply PMs tomorrow.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: rope on Thu, 13 December 2018, 16:40:44
Quote from: senter on Thu, 13 December 2018, 12:37:12
Quote from: meiosis on Wed, 12 December 2018, 23:01:45
I haven't either and I paid as soon as I got it

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Quote from: Ion1337 on Wed, 12 December 2018, 22:52:35
I still haven't received my shipping notification. Should I be concerned?

Please PM me your order numbers.
I didn't receive shipping notification, so I've sent you a PM as well~
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 13 December 2018, 16:41:48
I'm in Australia and got a sms from DHL yesterday, they're getting to it, it seems.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: meiosis on Thu, 13 December 2018, 17:30:51
Quote from: senter on Thu, 13 December 2018, 12:37:12
Quote from: meiosis on Wed, 12 December 2018, 23:01:45
I haven't either and I paid as soon as I got it

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Quote from: Ion1337 on Wed, 12 December 2018, 22:52:35
I still haven't received my shipping notification. Should I be concerned?

Please PM me your order numbers.
I got mine this morning but thanks :) luckily DHL is so fast haha and I trust zfrontier so it was no worry

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: rope on Fri, 14 December 2018, 06:12:58
i've just got my shipping notification this morning as well!! nice, i'm very excited! :D
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: gutsack on Fri, 14 December 2018, 16:27:44
Mine arrived today, looks terrific. Will build it this weekend.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: MxBlue on Sun, 16 December 2018, 03:02:17
My kit arrived this morning, here's some pics I took of it. Blue / MAO White for reference.

(https://i.imgur.com/0DDgUJS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/AhPyi4P.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HR2vEra.jpg)

More pics over here, including the brass weight: https://imgur.com/a/2C7wAqN
Worth noting that I also got an extra MAO white plate, universal layout (unlike the custom one I asked senter for).
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: rmendis on Mon, 17 December 2018, 00:11:12
I paid for shipping a little late, because I missed the email initially. Any way of knowing when my order is shipping?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 17 December 2018, 01:46:11
Quote from: MxBlue on Sun, 16 December 2018, 03:02:17
My kit arrived this morning, here's some pics I took of it. Blue / MAO White for reference.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0DDgUJS.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AhPyi4P.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/HR2vEra.jpg)


More pics over here, including the brass weight: https://imgur.com/a/2C7wAqN
Worth noting that I also got an extra MAO white plate, universal layout (unlike the custom one I asked senter for).

Grats on a beautiful board, man.  It's a looker.  What keycaps are you planning to put on it?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Mon, 17 December 2018, 10:11:08
Big regrets for not getting in, these are najs.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: RamenTechMech on Mon, 24 December 2018, 00:37:12
Quote from: MxBlue on Sun, 16 December 2018, 03:02:17
My kit arrived this morning, here's some pics I took of it. Blue / MAO White for reference.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0DDgUJS.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AhPyi4P.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/HR2vEra.jpg)


More pics over here, including the brass weight: https://imgur.com/a/2C7wAqN
Worth noting that I also got an extra MAO white plate, universal layout (unlike the custom one I asked senter for).
These pictures made me go in awe once I scrolled upon them. Absolutely gorgeous!! Take good care of her :D
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: meiosis on Mon, 24 December 2018, 02:36:11
The blue and the leaf logo really work well together

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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 26 December 2018, 16:09:00
Quote from: pixelpusher on Mon, 17 December 2018, 01:46:11
Grats on a beautiful board, man.  It's a looker.  What keycaps are you planning to put on it?

Waiting on Modern Dolch to come in for it. Fixed plate really is the way to go.

(https://i.imgur.com/lP3NYoS.jpg)

Built it with a Skog PCB cause the one I got had issues out of the box, replacement coming in soon. Did not notice that the Skog PCB had flipped spacebar stabs, so my space is... a bit whack  :))
Will rebuild later haha.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: spyruf on Wed, 26 December 2018, 17:44:52
Quote from: MxBlue on Wed, 26 December 2018, 16:09:00
Quote from: pixelpusher on Mon, 17 December 2018, 01:46:11
Grats on a beautiful board, man.  It's a looker.  What keycaps are you planning to put on it?

Waiting on Modern Dolch to come in for it. Fixed plate really is the way to go.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/lP3NYoS.jpg)


Built it with a Skog PCB cause the one I got had issues out of the box, replacement coming in soon. Did not notice that the Skog PCB had flipped spacebar stabs, so my space is... a bit whack  :))
Will rebuild later haha.

Looks nice! Which way is the space bar wire supposed to go. I think I might have built mine wrong (used mill Max sockets tho so should be okay).
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 26 December 2018, 17:46:57
Quote from: spyruf on Wed, 26 December 2018, 17:44:52
Looks nice! Which way is the space bar wire supposed to go. I think I might have built mine wrong (used mill Max sockets tho so should be okay).

This plate supports the wire going up for the spacebar. For reference, look at the other stab cutouts, the wire should have more room.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Peppermint216 on Thu, 27 December 2018, 04:48:15
Quote from: MxBlue on Wed, 26 December 2018, 16:09:00
Quote from: pixelpusher on Mon, 17 December 2018, 01:46:11
Grats on a beautiful board, man.  It's a looker.  What keycaps are you planning to put on it?

Waiting on Modern Dolch to come in for it. Fixed plate really is the way to go.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/lP3NYoS.jpg)


Built it with a Skog PCB cause the one I got had issues out of the box, replacement coming in soon. Did not notice that the Skog PCB had flipped spacebar stabs, so my space is... a bit whack  :))
Will rebuild later haha.

Pretty jealous of that fixed plate, had no idea fox labs offered customs, did it cost extra? Also the PCBs, because of alps support I had trouble with caps and left ctrl always enabled, turned out the solder had bled onto the alps pad.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 27 December 2018, 04:52:26
Quote from: Peppermint216 on Thu, 27 December 2018, 04:48:15

Pretty jealous of that fixed plate, had no idea fox labs offered customs, did it cost extra? Also the PCBs, because of alps support I had trouble with caps and left ctrl always enabled, turned out the solder had bled onto the alps pad.

It was a request to senter, it did not cost me extra for this one.

I've heard about that issue, but in my case, the leaf pcb won't enumerate as USB, so it's a deeper fault than that. Gave it as thorough a diagnosis as my skills would allow, could not determine what exactly had failed.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: lolitslunchbox on Fri, 28 December 2018, 16:37:31
I can't seem to figure out why I can't get this key working on my PCB. Every other key registers fine, I ordered two PCB's and on both I can't get the key to register. I believe it should be a right Alt key? Maybe that key isn't supposed to work and my layout is wrong? I'm not sure.

The key in question is the one in-between the tweezers. The pad to the left registers as right alt. and the one to the right is windows key.

(https://i.imgur.com/V21onoC.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: MxBlue on Fri, 28 December 2018, 16:40:15
Quote from: lolitslunchbox on Fri, 28 December 2018, 16:37:31
I can't seem to figure out why I can't get this key working on my PCB. Every other key registers fine, I ordered two PCB's and on both I can't get the key to register. I believe it should be a right Alt key? Maybe that key isn't supposed to work and my layout is wrong? I'm not sure.

The key in question is the one in-between the tweezers. The pad to the left registers as right alt. and the one to the right is windows key.

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(https://i.imgur.com/V21onoC.jpg)


Open up BootmapperClient, hit Download then Toggle Bootmapper. That key is default mapped as FN, so it doesnt send a keycode to the PC on its own. With Toggle Bootmapper on, try shorting it and you should hopefully see that it is indeed working.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: lolitslunchbox on Fri, 28 December 2018, 17:14:14
Quote from: MxBlue on Fri, 28 December 2018, 16:40:15
Quote from: lolitslunchbox on Fri, 28 December 2018, 16:37:31
I can't seem to figure out why I can't get this key working on my PCB. Every other key registers fine, I ordered two PCB's and on both I can't get the key to register. I believe it should be a right Alt key? Maybe that key isn't supposed to work and my layout is wrong? I'm not sure.

The key in question is the one in-between the tweezers. The pad to the left registers as right alt. and the one to the right is windows key.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/V21onoC.jpg)


Open up BootmapperClient, hit Download then Toggle Bootmapper. That key is default mapped as FN, so it doesnt send a keycode to the PC on its own. With Toggle Bootmapper on, try shorting it and you should hopefully see that it is indeed working.

Thank you so much! It works.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: lolitslunchbox on Fri, 28 December 2018, 21:13:19
Well I finished building my leaf80. Built with Zealios 78g and ocean dolch keys.
I love the leaf, super sturdy and beautiful case.

(https://i.imgur.com/JzVF39w.jpg)



Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: spyruf on Sat, 29 December 2018, 00:01:53
Built my e-coat white with holy chickies x eBPT 9009.
Also used mill max sockets to make the board hotswappable.

The lighting makes the board look more cream but it is a true white in person.
I am very pleased with the quality and finish on the board.

(https://i.imgur.com/5tzKC99.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/K1nJPV6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dMjD3Iw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WuSYW5k.jpg)

Imgur Album: https://imgur.com/a/TqlBori
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: gutsack on Sun, 30 December 2018, 17:16:59
Finally had a chance to build mine:

[attachimg=1]
[attach=2][attach=3]

Went with Healios and SA Oblivion with Git Modifiers. Lightly lubed the Healios with TechKeys thin lube, Zeal screw-in stabs heavily lubed. Ended up putting foam in the case under the PCB to dampen a tiny metal twang, now it’s silent as hell. Custom cable from Mechcables. Carbon SA caps on WASD, since this board will mostly be used for PC gaming. Built live on stream: https://karbonbased.io/builds/leaf-80

Really love this board.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: juaninamilli on Fri, 11 January 2019, 08:51:51
How does the cooler white board look with the warmer 9009 white, irl?
Quote from: spyruf on Sat, 29 December 2018, 00:01:53
Built my e-coat white with holy chickies x eBPT 9009.
Also used mill max sockets to make the board hotswappable.

The lighting makes the board look more cream but it is a true white in person.
I am very pleased with the quality and finish on the board.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/5tzKC99.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/K1nJPV6.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/dMjD3Iw.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/WuSYW5k.jpg)


Imgur Album: https://imgur.com/a/TqlBori
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: spyruf on Sat, 12 January 2019, 03:42:47
Quote from: juaninamilli on Fri, 11 January 2019, 08:51:51
How does the cooler white board look with the warmer 9009 white, irl?
Quote from: spyruf on Sat, 29 December 2018, 00:01:53
Built my e-coat white with holy chickies x eBPT 9009.
Also used mill max sockets to make the board hotswappable.

The lighting makes the board look more cream but it is a true white in person.
I am very pleased with the quality and finish on the board.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/5tzKC99.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/K1nJPV6.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/dMjD3Iw.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/WuSYW5k.jpg)


Imgur Album: https://imgur.com/a/TqlBori

It looks great, you can’t really go wrong. Right now I switched to DSa Milkshake though.

(https://i.imgur.com/QJyI7kv.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/1mrUfdk
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Audiobs on Sat, 12 January 2019, 20:09:40
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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: MxBlue on Sat, 12 January 2019, 21:40:17
Quote from: Audiobs on Sat, 12 January 2019, 20:09:40
Hey guys, has any of you received a defective PCB? Mine came with a dead 'right' arrow key and it looks like the diode was damaged or defective from manufacturing. When I contacted Senter, he said he would send me a diode to replace on my own. But those diodes are not 'through-hole' type and I don't believe they should be soldered/desoldered by hand. Any insight would be appreciated!

https://imgur.com/a/jJutj3n

Frankly, I am very disappointed with the entire experience. I didn't join the original GB, I bought the remaining stock from Senter when he posted them. The case arrived with a dent dead in the middle of the front side, a blemish on on the blue weight, and his response was that I was nick-picking and these are considered normal. He refunded $30 for the dent on the case, but said the blue weight looks fine to him. He said I should be able to fix the diode myself and told me not to bother him again. I guess this is the new normal for customer relationship. I want to say this is kinda a GB thing, but then I didn't join the GB. This was a direct purchase. Then again, why do we even call this a group buy?

In any case, not starting a spitting contest here, and I will not bother to respond to Senter either as he clearly has never had any intention to make things right from the start. I have been an audiophile trading gears online for the 20 years and I have seen all kinds of behaviors from sellers and buyers. I also learned not to get upset over stupidity. Just didn't expect it from a so-called 'manufacturer'.

Hopefully Senter would make things right for everyone from now on, if there is one thing to achieve with this writing.

Caveat Emptor as the forum said. :)

It's a shame your PCB came with a defect, real unfortunate, but it would be a waste for both of you if you had to sent the PCB back and forth for repair. They can very easily be soldered and desoldered by hand though, so don't worry. The only extra tool you will need are a pair of tweezers, any old pair will do.

To desolder the diode, heat one pad while holding the diode with the tweezers and lift it up gently on that side, there shouldn't be much resistance. Next, heat up the other pad and do the same, this time lifting the whole diode hopefully. If it doesn't lift off the second time, keep repeating, alternating between sides until you get the whole diode off.

To solder the diode, make sure there's some solder on both of the pads first, adding a bit on otherwise. Then, using your tweezers, hold the diode in place on the PCB, ensuring the direction (position of the  line) is correct. While applying a light amount of downward force on the diode with your tweezers, heat up one pad and visually check that it is soldered down. Repeat to the other side and bam, you're done.

I have to agree with senter about your weight though, that pic makes it seem like an absolutely tiny nick in a weight. The cause is most likely due to a small bump or something, this anodizing is quite fragile and tends to get scratched quite easily, a trade-off for the gorgeous colours you can get out of it. The case is more visible, so I can understand your sentiment, good to see you got some compensation there.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Audiobs on Sat, 12 January 2019, 23:41:06
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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Mon, 14 January 2019, 19:00:06
Quote from: Audiobs on Sat, 12 January 2019, 20:09:40
Hey guys, has any of you received a defective PCB? Mine came with a dead 'right' arrow key and it looks like the diode was damaged or defective from manufacturing. When I contacted Senter, he said he would send me a diode to replace on my own. But those diodes are not 'through-hole' type and I don't believe they should be soldered/desoldered by hand. Any insight would be appreciated!

https://imgur.com/a/jJutj3n

Frankly, I am very disappointed with the entire experience. I didn't join the original GB, I bought the remaining stock from Senter when he posted them. The case arrived with a dent dead in the middle of the front side, a blemish on on the blue weight, and his response was that I was nick-picking and these are considered normal. He refunded $30 for the dent on the case, but said the blue weight looks fine to him. He said I should be able to fix the diode myself and told me not to bother him again. I guess this is the new normal for customer relationship. I want to say this is kinda a GB thing, but then I didn't join the GB. This was a direct purchase. Then again, why do we even call this a group buy?

In any case, not starting a spitting contest here, and I will not bother to respond to Senter either as he clearly has never had any intention to make things right from the start. I have been an audiophile trading gears online for the 20 years and I have seen all kinds of behaviors from sellers and buyers. I also learned not to get upset over stupidity. Just didn't expect it from a so-called 'manufacturer'.

Hopefully Senter would make things right for everyone from now on, if there is one thing to achieve with this writing.

Caveat Emptor as the forum said. :)

I'm sorry things ended up like this.

Firstly, how comes "he clearly has never had any intention to make things right from the start" ? There were three problems the first time you told me. 1) We have both agreed that was your typo and you blamed me wrongly. 2) I said I couldn't see it as a blemish on your weight. You didn't send me more clear photos to clarify. 3) There is one ding on your case that I can see. I refunded you $30 and you agreed with that.

The reason I mentioned "nick-picking" is that you were too wordy. I  can see the photos. It was not necessary that you explain how bad the ding is again and again. So I told you, I can't refund someone more just because he's nick-picking more, and I have my standard for compensation if an accident happens. You have sent me 24 messages from when you contacted me for purchasing until now. Actually, you are the one who sent me the most PMs in the past several years. While you are not satisfied with this purchase, I'm not pleased with you as well.

After the three problems solved, you contacted me again and said there is one more issue about the PCB. It's apparent that there one diode missing one your PCB. I'm pretty sure it should be there before shipping. I've told you I sent some new diodes to you for replacing. As MxBlue said, it's a waste to send the PCB back and forth. I also told you it takes 5 seconds to solder it if you know how to solder switches. The diode is missing so you don't even need to desolder the old one. Why you filed a chargeback on PayPal and complain here? Is it because I didn't send you a new PCB directly for one missing diode?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Mon, 14 January 2019, 19:11:50
Proof first 3 problems were solved:
(https://i.imgur.com/yjikQpb.jpg)

The pic of the PCB (I have sent some new diodes for replacing in the last week):
(https://i.imgur.com/aO9SwNK.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: OracleKev on Mon, 14 January 2019, 20:13:03
Quote from: Audiobs on Sat, 12 January 2019, 23:41:06
Quote from: MxBlue on Sat, 12 January 2019, 21:40:17
Quote from: Audiobs on Sat, 12 January 2019, 20:09:40
Hey guys, has any of you received a defective PCB? Mine came with a dead 'right' arrow key and it looks like the diode was damaged or defective from manufacturing. When I contacted Senter, he said he would send me a diode to replace on my own. But those diodes are not 'through-hole' type and I don't believe they should be soldered/desoldered by hand. Any insight would be appreciated!

https://imgur.com/a/jJutj3n

Frankly, I am very disappointed with the entire experience. I didn't join the original GB, I bought the remaining stock from Senter when he posted them. The case arrived with a dent dead in the middle of the front side, a blemish on on the blue weight, and his response was that I was nick-picking and these are considered normal. He refunded $30 for the dent on the case, but said the blue weight looks fine to him. He said I should be able to fix the diode myself and told me not to bother him again. I guess this is the new normal for customer relationship. I want to say this is kinda a GB thing, but then I didn't join the GB. This was a direct purchase. Then again, why do we even call this a group buy?

In any case, not starting a spitting contest here, and I will not bother to respond to Senter either as he clearly has never had any intention to make things right from the start. I have been an audiophile trading gears online for the 20 years and I have seen all kinds of behaviors from sellers and buyers. I also learned not to get upset over stupidity. Just didn't expect it from a so-called 'manufacturer'.

Hopefully Senter would make things right for everyone from now on, if there is one thing to achieve with this writing.

Caveat Emptor as the forum said. :)

It's a shame your PCB came with a defect, real unfortunate, but it would be a waste for both of you if you had to sent the PCB back and forth for repair. They can very easily be soldered and desoldered by hand though, so don't worry. The only extra tool you will need are a pair of tweezers, any old pair will do.

To desolder the diode, heat one pad while holding the diode with the tweezers and lift it up gently on that side, there shouldn't be much resistance. Next, heat up the other pad and do the same, this time lifting the whole diode hopefully. If it doesn't lift off the second time, keep repeating, alternating between sides until you get the whole diode off.

To solder the diode, make sure there's some solder on both of the pads first, adding a bit on otherwise. Then, using your tweezers, hold the diode in place on the PCB, ensuring the direction (position of the  line) is correct. While applying a light amount of downward force on the diode with your tweezers, heat up one pad and visually check that it is soldered down. Repeat to the other side and bam, you're done.

I have to agree with senter about your weight though, that pic makes it seem like an absolutely tiny nick in a weight. The cause is most likely due to a small bump or something, this anodizing is quite fragile and tends to get scratched quite easily, a trade-off for the gorgeous colours you can get out of it. The case is more visible, so I can understand your sentiment, good to see you got some compensation there.

Thanks for your help MxBlue! I appreciate it. I too am sorry that this doesn't work out. It's a nice board but I don't need the aggravation and insults. I think people need to hold these so-called GB runners to a bit higher standard. It's not a good thing when your only choice is to accept a blemished item with a small compensation. Most reputable seller would have labelled this B-Stock. period. It's not up for debate.

This is not GB, this is selling direct with 100% payment upfront and delivery in 3-6 months, and the buyers bears all the risk. The only other thing that resembles a GB here is the 'doing you a favor' attitude.

Thanks again for your help! Glad you're happy with yours.

Hey, don't want to impose over your expectations, but IMHO they are too high.
Common quality standards is a small number of minor scratches and ano marks are not required to be serviced.
If quality expectation is comparable to what might be called 'flawless' finish, then yield could plummet and both GB runner and participants will run much higher cost and risks.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Audiobs on Mon, 14 January 2019, 21:22:12
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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: senter on Mon, 14 January 2019, 21:59:50
Quote from: Audiobs on Mon, 14 January 2019, 21:22:12
Senter, I am surprised to see you come out to defend not 1, but 3 issues in a single kit, as though this is solely my 'high' expectation. The mere idea that even 1 issue is passable is ludicrous. Whether the buyer accepts the defects is up to the buyer, but not to be a standard of delivering a finished product. You pride yourself with high quality but make an exception when it is not? I did pass on and accepted the defects albeit you only took responsibility for one, one that is dead in the middle in the front. I did it because there was no other option without returning the kit. I did it for simplicity sake.

The kit arrived during the holidays and I only tested the PCB after, and the picture clearly shows that the diode is damaged, not missing. In either case, why is it my fault that it is missing or damaged? Even now, you take absolutely no responsibility on why these defects were there in the first place. I didn't join the group buy, I bought this kit because you solicited to sell them. Why haven't you or your partner checked before selling them?

You have never been apologetic, not the slightest bit. You blame me for high standard, and somehow I didn't notice the damaged diode? As far as I can see, that was a bad diode soldered on the PCB from the start! And this is somehow my fault?

All my responses to you show that I have every intention to work this out and take the kits as it. But 3 issues in one order, and most importantly, your arrogant responses did it for me. Like you said, stop bothering me. The kit is going back to you and I want nothing to do with it.

For those who think this is acceptable and think that we should give GB runners a break, I think it's time to rethink what GB really is today. This is not what GB used to be, this is just selling direct masking as GB. It's keyboards after keyboards, GB after GB non-stop because this GB sale model is unbeatable. Where else can you ask people to put up with the production cost and profit upfront with no risk to themselves? I guess we need to be thankful that we actually receive the goods, sometimes?

I don't want this to be a spitting contest thus I never mentioned any detail and my Paypal action. I only thought that other members should be aware of the situation. Perhaps Senter would do better next time either with QC, or with treating the next customer who runs into issues.

Please know this - I wouldn't have bought this if I didn't like Senter's work. This is not a rejection of the design, it's a beautiful board. It's unfortunate that I won't have this or any future products under the circumstance.

I digress and won't add further.

Let me tell you several numbers. There were more than 150 kits sold. There were only 3 or 4 cases need after sale service including yours. All the others have been solved without any problems.

For the 3 issues you mentioned. One is not even visible in your photo. I doubted it and you didn't reply. One is a 1/32 inch long blemish that probably damaged in the shipping or just a oversight. The last one is a missing diode that you said it's there when you got it. So it's also damaged in the shipping.

I cannot guarantee flawless kits for everyone especially I didn't do the QC by myself. It's the same for all the future GBs. Accidents happen in almost EVERY GB. When there are issues, I try to solve it. I solved your first two problems and you agreed with it. Now what are you blaming me for?

Please don't lie. I never blamed you for anything. When you told me about diode. I said "let me send you some new diodes for replacing". I forget if I said sorry or not. Do I also need to beg you?

Regarding to the GB sale model. Everyone knows I was running GBs through zFrontier. You bought the leftover through PayPal invoice tho. Even it's through PayPal invoice, your money is protected by PayPal. And it's never true that I fulfill GB for 3-6 months. You know nothing about me. Now paypal has taken the money from my account because you filed a full price chargeback, even I've already sent you $30 for compensation and diodes. I got all your problems solved and you filed the full price chargeback and defame me here. Shame on you.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: nasp on Mon, 14 January 2019, 22:18:51
So the dude got a free board plus $30 over a little blemish and a damaged diode? And on top of that he comes on this forum to complain how Senter did him wrong? Entitlement much?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: packman86 on Mon, 14 January 2019, 22:20:33
Quote from: nasp on Mon, 14 January 2019, 22:18:51
So the dude got a free board plus $30 over a little blemish and a damaged diode? And on top of that he comes on this forum to complain how Senter did him wrong? Entitlement much?

Ya I'd probably blacklist this dude from future GBs.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: bciamny on Mon, 14 January 2019, 22:58:28
Quote from: Audiobs on Mon, 14 January 2019, 21:22:12
Senter, I am surprised to see you come out to defend not 1, but 3 issues in a single kit, as though this is solely my 'high' expectation. The mere idea that even 1 issue is passable is ludicrous. Whether the buyer accepts the defects is up to the buyer, but not to be a standard of delivering a finished product. You pride yourself with high quality but make an exception when it is not? I did pass on and accepted the defects albeit you only took responsibility for one, one that is dead in the middle in the front. I did it because there was no other option without returning the kit. I did it for simplicity sake.

The kit arrived during the holidays and I only tested the PCB after, and the picture clearly shows that the diode is damaged, not missing. In either case, why is it my fault that it is missing or damaged? Even now, you take absolutely no responsibility on why these defects were there in the first place. I didn't join the group buy, I bought this kit because you solicited to sell them. Why haven't you or your partner checked before selling them?

You have never been apologetic, not the slightest bit. You blame me for high standard, and somehow I didn't notice the damaged diode? As far as I can see, that was a bad diode soldered on the PCB from the start! And this is somehow my fault?

All my responses to you show that I have every intention to work this out and take the kits as it. But 3 issues in one order, and most importantly, your arrogant responses did it for me. Like you said, stop bothering me. The kit is going back to you and I want nothing to do with it.

For those who think this is acceptable and think that we should give GB runners a break, I think it's time to rethink what GB really is today. This is not what GB used to be, this is just selling direct masking as GB. It's keyboards after keyboards, GB after GB non-stop because this GB sale model is unbeatable. Where else can you ask people to put up with the production cost and profit upfront with no risk to themselves? I guess we need to be thankful that we actually receive the goods, sometimes?

I don't want this to be a spitting contest thus I never mentioned any detail and my Paypal action. I only thought that other members should be aware of the situation. Perhaps Senter would do better next time either with QC, or with treating the next customer who runs into issues.

Please know this - I wouldn't have bought this if I didn't like Senter's work. This is not a rejection of the design, it's a beautiful board. It's unfortunate that I won't have this or any future products under the circumstance.

I digress and won't add further.

i don't like commenting on issues between two individuals but the way you've come forward to present your thoughts on senter is unsettling. i'm going to avoid a point by point analysis of the logical errors and conclusory jumps you've made but i want to say a few things.

re: whether or not this is a gb, i think it pretty obviously is. a person is soliciting the public to determine the quantity and feasibility of producing an item. there isn't any guarantee that something by foxlabs is going to be made and this has been shown through a few group buys already performed/in the interest check phase by that group. i'm not sure what a group buy was to you in some undefined past but i don't see how this can reasonably be argued to not be a group buy. it seems like you're suggesting that a group buy done for some profit is not an actual group buy. i disagree with that idea, especially when it comes to manufacturing items that do not have 100% yield, require a sizable effort by the runner, and have serious cost implications because of the fact that the manufacturing yield is not 100%.

it seems to me you have this really high expectation of what the end product should be. admittedly, we are spending a good chunk of money on each of the keyboards that are bought through gbs on here and we should expect things to come close to what we envision when we decide to spend our money. however, that doesn't mean we can expect to treat each seller as if they are some large organization that can shift the costs of an unreasonably unhappy customer onto other customers and to other products over time in order to appease any small number of such customers. this line isn't to excuse total failures of gbs, just those that have minor hiccups like this gb with you.

i think once the pcb issue was identified and it was obvious that it would make little financial sense to swap pcbs, you and senter should've first considered a full refund of the entire kit for the sake of 'simplicity.' from what was presented, you seem to suggest that senter has been hostile to you re: and senter seems to think he has been neutral and adequately addressed your issues. i don't think it's unreasonable for senter to feel this way.

with the issues you've identified you seem to think that qc has failed here. re: the pcb, i think it's fair to see that issue overlooked by accident. it isn't the easiest thing to spot with an eye check. the only way to really ensure a 100% working pcb is to check each one before shipping, which would raise the price per board by some non-trivial amount just for that effort. whether or not that outlay by all the customers makes sense is something we can discuss at a different time but it isn't something i expected from this gb (or many others gbs) at the price we bought in for. for the case blemish, it seems to be pretty small and could've been overlooked as well. and since you bought this separate from the rest of the gb participants, that blemish could've been made at some later point after the initial qc was done for the boards by senter. it doesn't excuse the issue but a remedy was offered. i'm not going to say anything about the weight, lol.

in some ways, i've been repetitive to what senter has said but i just wanted to cast my lot with senter away from someone who has spent a lot of energy to publicly complain about him, without any good reason. from my experience in this gb and generally observing senter in this community, he has been a clear, effective, timely, and honest runner. i hope that this incident doesn't dissuade others from future foxlabs projects because i think that the group has put forward some cool and unique projects for the rest of us to enjoy.

Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 15 January 2019, 00:55:23
What a prick
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Audiobs on Tue, 15 January 2019, 02:08:23
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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 15 January 2019, 02:09:36
Quote from: packman86 on Mon, 14 January 2019, 22:20:33
Quote from: nasp on Mon, 14 January 2019, 22:18:51
So the dude got a free board plus $30 over a little blemish and a damaged diode? And on top of that he comes on this forum to complain how Senter did him wrong? Entitlement much?

Ya I'd probably blacklist this dude from future GBs.

caveat emptor
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: meiosis on Tue, 15 January 2019, 15:49:43
Quote from: Audiobs on Tue, 15 January 2019, 02:08:23
Wow, you guys are so quick to come to his defense and believe every word he said. The Paypal dispute is open and I am waiting for Papyal's instruction to return the item. Free board and $30? You wish it is that easy.

Senter, I have never accused you of anything other than facts, which you admitted. I have never accused you for intentionally pushing these last few leftover boards as A-Stock. You suggested you could send me a diode replacement, and I never heard from you for days. Then when I asked again, you said you already sent me a dinode, and 'What more do you want? Leave me alone!" First, I never agree to accepting responsibility to repair the PCB myself, because if it doesn't work, you will surely blame me for it. And even if so, do you have a tracking no. for those dinodes you've sent last week?

I was generalizing what GB is today, not addressing your particular delivery time, which I had no idea what it was. I never asked you to apologize and especially not beg for forgiveness! I was describing the situation and your behavior. What is this extreme talk with you?

So excuse my ignorance folks, I didn't know 2 blemishes and a defective PCB in a single keyboard is normal around here. Ban me or not, I volunteer not to be a sucker anymore.
So are you going to return his $30? You still made a chargeback for the full amount

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: mdlt97 on Tue, 15 January 2019, 18:12:12
"I also learned not to get upset over stupidity."


 :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: fireworm on Tue, 15 January 2019, 18:57:32
I mean if people want to see what happens when things go REALLY bad: Look at the LUNAR GB B-stock here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ReQceA4zFuJMSFoHh3-3MYddA2rBdLCc

IMO the $30 refund is reasonable; it's not like the screws are misaligned and the anno is banded and case literally warped beyond repair...
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: att1cus on Fri, 25 January 2019, 12:22:14
If anyone has a Leaf 80 they're willing to sell, I am looking to buy one.  Please PM me!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Jkush463 on Fri, 25 January 2019, 17:06:26
Quote from: Audiobs on Tue, 15 January 2019, 02:08:23
Wow, you guys are so quick to come to his defense and believe every word he said. The Paypal dispute is open and I am waiting for Papyal's instruction to return the item. Free board and $30? You wish it is that easy.

Senter, I have never accused you of anything other than facts, which you admitted. I have never accused you for intentionally pushing these last few leftover boards as A-Stock. You suggested you could send me a diode replacement, and I never heard from you for days. Then when I asked again, you said you already sent me a dinode, and 'What more do you want? Leave me alone!" First, I never agree to accepting responsibility to repair the PCB myself, because if it doesn't work, you will surely blame me for it. And even if so, do you have a tracking no. for those dinodes you've sent last week?

I was generalizing what GB is today, not addressing your particular delivery time, which I had no idea what it was. I never asked you to apologize and especially not beg for forgiveness! I was describing the situation and your behavior. What is this extreme talk with you?

So excuse my ignorance folks, I didn't know 2 blemishes and a defective PCB in a single keyboard is normal around here. Ban me or not, I volunteer not to be a sucker anymore.


Just so you know people like you ruin this community and make sellers like Senter not come back its one issue if you dont understand these are small run PRIVATE PRODUCTION pieces and there may be problems stay the hell out of group buys because you sound like a total joke blasting off the way you are, and i dont like how you are attacking the buy runner thats ridiculous when he will be the one trying to help you. Honestly hope to not see your name here anymore when looking at boards. i have seen whole buy get cancelled because of people like you.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: yuppie on Fri, 01 February 2019, 18:31:32
Quote from: att1cus on Fri, 25 January 2019, 12:22:14
If anyone has a Leaf 80 they're willing to sell, I am looking to buy one.  Please PM me!

Same here, looking for the e-white without a logo!

Any extras avail?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: killuchen on Tue, 12 March 2019, 17:09:57
Will there be anymore runs for the Leaf 80? :o
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 12 March 2019, 18:06:30
Quote from: spyruf on Sat, 12 January 2019, 03:42:47
Quote from: juaninamilli on Fri, 11 January 2019, 08:51:51
How does the cooler white board look with the warmer 9009 white, irl?
Quote from: spyruf on Sat, 29 December 2018, 00:01:53
Built my e-coat white with holy chickies x eBPT 9009.
Also used mill max sockets to make the board hotswappable.

The lighting makes the board look more cream but it is a true white in person.
I am very pleased with the quality and finish on the board.

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Imgur Album: https://imgur.com/a/TqlBori

It looks great, you can’t really go wrong. Right now I switched to DSa Milkshake though.

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Amazing combo!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Zuology on Thu, 09 May 2019, 11:36:19
Necro post, but wanted to bump this if anyone wants Orange 80 plates made or wants the files, you can PM me if you don't want to bother senter directly.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Bubblegum on Sun, 19 May 2019, 05:20:51
Have had my kit since december, but didn't get around to start build it until now. I realised there are no rubber feet in my order. zFrontier didn't respond to my e-mail about it, which is no big surprise. What do you guys do in such situations? Find substitutes in hardware stores?

Keyboard kit looks great btw :)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: dantambok on Sun, 19 May 2019, 05:28:56
Quote from: Bubblegum on Sun, 19 May 2019, 05:20:51
Have had my kit since december, but didn't get around to start build it until now. I realised there are no rubber feet in my order. zFrontier didn't respond to my e-mail about it, which is no big surprise. What do you guys do in such situations? Find substitutes in hardware stores?

Keyboard kit looks great btw :)

yep, you can find them in most hardware stores / home improvement stores. Just measure the hole so you get the right size  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: mmdango on Thu, 11 July 2019, 01:55:42
Quote from: lolitslunchbox on Fri, 28 December 2018, 17:14:14
Quote from: MxBlue on Fri, 28 December 2018, 16:40:15
Quote from: lolitslunchbox on Fri, 28 December 2018, 16:37:31
I can't seem to figure out why I can't get this key working on my PCB. Every other key registers fine, I ordered two PCB's and on both I can't get the key to register. I believe it should be a right Alt key? Maybe that key isn't supposed to work and my layout is wrong? I'm not sure.

The key in question is the one in-between the tweezers. The pad to the left registers as right alt. and the one to the right is windows key.

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Open up BootmapperClient, hit Download then Toggle Bootmapper. That key is default mapped as FN, so it doesnt send a keycode to the PC on its own. With Toggle Bootmapper on, try shorting it and you should hopefully see that it is indeed working.

Thank you so much! It works.

Which version of the bootmapperclient did you use? I'm getting an error: "Error setting action: Communication error with device". Has anyone else seen this? I'm trying to remap this right function key to something else...

Edit: Just fixed my problem 30 seconds after posting... Restarting my computer didn't help, but plugging it into a different usb port helped. Hope this can help anyone else in the future. I used version 0.9.0
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 11 July 2019, 01:57:49
Quote from: mmdango on Thu, 11 July 2019, 01:55:42
Quote from: lolitslunchbox on Fri, 28 December 2018, 17:14:14
Quote from: MxBlue on Fri, 28 December 2018, 16:40:15
Quote from: lolitslunchbox on Fri, 28 December 2018, 16:37:31
I can't seem to figure out why I can't get this key working on my PCB. Every other key registers fine, I ordered two PCB's and on both I can't get the key to register. I believe it should be a right Alt key? Maybe that key isn't supposed to work and my layout is wrong? I'm not sure.

The key in question is the one in-between the tweezers. The pad to the left registers as right alt. and the one to the right is windows key.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/V21onoC.jpg)


Open up BootmapperClient, hit Download then Toggle Bootmapper. That key is default mapped as FN, so it doesnt send a keycode to the PC on its own. With Toggle Bootmapper on, try shorting it and you should hopefully see that it is indeed working.

Thank you so much! It works.

Which version of the bootmapperclient did you use? I'm getting an error: "Error setting action: Communication error with device". Has anyone else seen this? I'm trying to remap this right function key to something else...

Try a different cable/usb port/computer. This is a known issue with ps2avr/bootmapper keyboards, sometimes due to a defective PCB, sometimes due to the cable/usb port.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: spyruf on Mon, 08 June 2020, 00:58:47
I ported this to QMK just FYI if that helps anyone. Right now it isn't pushed/merged yet but I'll post a comment when I do that this week.
Also I only added ANSI support right now, no ISO or tsangan.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: //gainsborough on Mon, 15 June 2020, 17:31:25
Does anyone have an MX plate that they'd be willing to sell?  I'd also trade my alps plate for one!

Also, looking to buy another PCB! 
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: kaladinpaladin on Mon, 15 June 2020, 17:38:26
I'm looking for an extra MX plate as well actually. Was contemplating getting a pom plate cut on ponoko.

These PCBs are compatible if you need another: https://switchmod.net/products/h87a
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: chicagoboss25 on Tue, 07 July 2020, 01:12:22
Super long shot, but would anyone be willing to trade a WKL yellow top for a WK yellow top?

I was building my Leaf80 with 1.5, 1, 1.5, 7, 1.5, 1, 1.5 bottom layout in a WK top and realized that the PCB doesn't actually support this layout strangely enough :-X
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: NRbigfoot on Tue, 07 July 2020, 08:21:40
Quote from: chicagoboss25 on Tue, 07 July 2020, 01:12:22
Super long shot, but would anyone be willing to trade a WKL yellow top for a WK yellow top?

I was building my Leaf80 with 1.5, 1, 1.5, 7, 1.5, 1, 1.5 bottom layout in a WK top and realized that the PCB doesn't actually support this layout strangely enough :-X

Hiney's H87a pcb fits this case and supports the tsangan bottom row if you would like to keep your wk top
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: chicagoboss25 on Tue, 07 July 2020, 10:56:46
Quote from: NRbigfoot on Tue, 07 July 2020, 08:21:40
Quote from: chicagoboss25 on Tue, 07 July 2020, 01:12:22
Super long shot, but would anyone be willing to trade a WKL yellow top for a WK yellow top?

I was building my Leaf80 with 1.5, 1, 1.5, 7, 1.5, 1, 1.5 bottom layout in a WK top and realized that the PCB doesn't actually support this layout strangely enough :-X

Hiney's H87a pcb fits this case and supports the tsangan bottom row if you would like to keep your wk top

Got it, thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: //gainsborough on Tue, 07 July 2020, 19:34:48
Quote from: kaladinpaladin on Mon, 15 June 2020, 17:38:26
I'm looking for an extra MX plate as well actually. Was contemplating getting a pom plate cut on ponoko.

These PCBs are compatible if you need another: https://switchmod.net/products/h87a

Oh dang...just now saw this.  Is there another GB for them soon?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: Bubblegum on Wed, 21 July 2021, 02:20:05
Is there a plate file for this with ISO/universal support? The one from http://foxlabkeyboard.com/gbs/Leaf-80.html seem to be ANSI only(?)

Thanks  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab Leaf 80
Post by: cricket-alone on Fri, 23 July 2021, 21:13:20
Ooo that's an interesting yellow