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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2000 on: Sun, 19 February 2017, 14:36:20 »
Lasergist are now offering a new bead-blasted finish, which looks pretty awesome. Any chance that that could be added to the drop-down when purchasing through your site?

Awesome tool by the way :)
I will check with them.  Thanks for the heads up.  Is it a different price?
Yes.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2001 on: Wed, 01 March 2017, 18:34:27 »
Does anyone know which cutout I would select for Gateron? I've had some issues with the switches getting squeezed (namely in the Planck) and want to make sure I'll get something that doesn't do that.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2002 on: Wed, 01 March 2017, 18:56:29 »
Does anyone know which cutout I would select for Gateron? I've had some issues with the switches getting squeezed (namely in the Planck) and want to make sure I'll get something that doesn't do that.
The most recommended is the 'mx openable cutout' (http://builder-docs.swillkb.com/features/#switch-type).

Gateron have the same spec as MX, but there may be some slight variants. Did you cut the Planck plate with my tool too? With Lasergist or prior to that?

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« Reply #2003 on: Wed, 01 March 2017, 19:35:56 »
No it was from OLKB. I'll get the regular openable cutout - as soon as I can find a 6u spacebar wire.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2004 on: Wed, 01 March 2017, 19:38:11 »
You'd most probably have to bend your own wire for that.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2005 on: Wed, 01 March 2017, 19:41:36 »
No it was from OLKB. I'll get the regular openable cutout - as soon as I can find a 6u spacebar wire.
If you are using cherry stabs, I would recommend you bend your own.  I will see if I can get a caliper on my favorite size wire later tonight.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2006 on: Wed, 01 March 2017, 19:43:47 »
If you are using cherry stabs, I would recommend you bend your own.  I will see if I can get a caliper on my favorite size wire later tonight.

I'm not sure I  could do that correctly, that's the only issue.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2007 on: Mon, 06 March 2017, 16:24:06 »
Yes. You are not alone if you are having problems with the builder. I am having some storage issues which I should be able to resolve later tonight.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2008 on: Mon, 06 March 2017, 19:32:06 »
Should be fixed now... Sorry about that.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2009 on: Sat, 11 March 2017, 13:11:09 »
Hi, I'm looking to build a plate with only PCB mount stab cutouts. Any tips?

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2010 on: Sat, 11 March 2017, 13:30:51 »
Hi, I'm looking to build a plate with only PCB mount stab cutouts. Any tips?

Cherry + Costar, but I'd manually edit your plate and do your own.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2011 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 08:22:30 »
hey swill, you think it's possible to add switch cut outs prepared for CNC milling?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65747.0

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2012 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 08:35:00 »
hey swill, you think it's possible to add switch cut outs prepared for CNC milling?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65747.0

Yes, this is something I want to add, but I have not had enough time to actually do it yet.  nudeCNC has offered to help me with this as well, but I just have not found the time to actually implement it yet. 

The complicated part here is the stabilizers.  The switches are pretty easy, the stabilizers, not so much...

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« Reply #2013 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 10:56:38 »
well it's great that you at least look into it - I'll keep checking then :D

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2014 on: Tue, 28 March 2017, 16:32:29 »
hi do you guys know the polygon definition for filco controller ? i tried to make holes for led and screws but i'm failing with controller rectangle.

I believe there is no template for filco/qfr ?

Thanks

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« Reply #2015 on: Tue, 28 March 2017, 17:28:30 »
Hey Swill I'm not sure if you can help me or not, but my order shipped 15 days ago and I have no tracking number or word from Lasergist. Do you know how I can find out what's going on?

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2016 on: Tue, 28 March 2017, 18:25:27 »
Hey Swill I'm not sure if you can help me or not, but my order shipped 15 days ago and I have no tracking number or word from Lasergist. Do you know how I can find out what's going on?
I don't have any visibility into the fulfillment, so I don't know the best way to track it down. I would just contact Lasergist directly: http://lasergist.com/contact/

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« Reply #2017 on: Mon, 17 April 2017, 07:56:17 »
I'd also be interested in a TKL plate that has settings which results in dimensions that are compatible with filco/qfr/phantom plate sizes. I'd assume it is just the edge padding but not sure what settings to use as I don't see if/where the final plate dimensions are listed.

Example tkl layout with tweaked bottom row

hi do you guys know the polygon definition for filco controller ? i tried to make holes for led and screws but i'm failing with controller rectangle.

I believe there is no template for filco/qfr ?

Thanks

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Re: ORDER NOW!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2018 on: Mon, 24 April 2017, 16:01:45 »
Thanks, duynguyenle, it does help, and I genuinely know you mean well

But the devil is in the details, as you see most of these are bulk-sale items, digikey seems to have a $75 min-shipping cost, to top them off, sometimes customs hold these items, and you get to explain why you bought 200 screws etc. They laugh when you explain they don't sell less then 200 and you bought 200 for 2 of the item etc. (If I could get everything from Digikey, the $75 cost could be gulpable) - also, chellenges of living in Turkey, I can't order multiple international items at once, I can only safely order one thing at a time, and it takes 3-4 weeks for them to reach me (again, customs people hate regular people)

Anyway, my ultimate solution to all these problems is Shipito, buy them from US, batch them, re-declare them to be customs-friendly, send them to yourself in a batch - so now, practically, I can shop like I'm in the US, it's wonderous when buying small things like these

But still, even with all these experiences, it's unclear which parts are ideal for usage on keyboards

And again, this is my ultimate point, it would be nice to have a "vetted" list of parts, collected by our community

Hope you don't mind me asking but how did you find shipito? Read some pretty bad reviews for them but I am aware that with any big companies, there's going to be some bad reviews. Currently I've been using viabox - mainly because their shipping fees are so cheap. But it's always good to have other options.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2019 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 07:15:00 »
Is there a way to save the input? I'd like to make fine adjustments to my design without having to enter all the polygons from scratch.
Forgive if it's already been asked.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2020 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 07:46:29 »
Is there a way to save the input? I'd like to make fine adjustments to my design without having to enter all the polygons from scratch.
Forgive if it's already been asked.

Unfortunately, this is not available yet.  This is a common request and is likely the next feature I build.  I just need to find the time and get some of the little fixes out before I open up the guts again.  :)

Since you brought it up, here is an outline of what I am thinking for this feature.  I plan to kill two birds with one stone with this, so please keep that in mind as you offer suggestions.

Use cases to cover:
a) Enable users to 'save' and 'load' their layouts.
b) Enable users to pick a starting point from a list of 'preset' layouts.

Here are some of the key design items I am planning:
- In order to 'save', you will be able to either:
-- Download a JSON file of your layout.
-- Save the JSON file of your layout to a public Gist in your Github account.
- To 'load' a previously saved layout, you will be able to:
-- Upload a JSON file of your layout.
-- Specify the URL of a public Gist on your Github account.
- If you want to start from a preset, you will be able to select a preset layout from a dropdown list to get started.

When loading a new layout, or picking from a preset, the UI will be automatically populated with the details of the specified layout.

This is the basic idea.  If you have additional features you are interested in, please let me know.  If you have suggestions for alternative implementation approaches, let me know...

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« Reply #2021 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 08:06:22 »
First off, let me say your tool is outstanding so thank you endlessly for it.

I believe you're covering all the required aspects for the save/load field.
On a unrelated note, a pair of rulers would be helpful when adding custom polygons.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2022 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 10:19:32 »
First off, let me say your tool is outstanding so thank you endlessly for it.

I believe you're covering all the required aspects for the save/load field.
On a unrelated note, a pair of rulers would be helpful when adding custom polygons.
'rulers' would basically give you a (somewhat imprecise) reference for the coordinate system?

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« Reply #2023 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:06:30 »
'rulers' would basically give you a (somewhat imprecise) reference for the coordinate system?
Indeed. I don't know how many millimiters move my polygons around so I go for a guessing game. I'm not seeking for a 100% precise ruler, maybe just a toggable overlay that shows a cross through the center and some coordinates.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2024 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:15:08 »
'rulers' would basically give you a (somewhat imprecise) reference for the coordinate system?
Indeed. I don't know how many millimiters move my polygons around so I go for a guessing game. I'm not seeking for a 100% precise ruler, maybe just a toggable overlay that shows a cross through the center and some coordinates.

Ok, let me think about that and see if I can come up with a reasonable way to do that.  You do know you can use x and y to represent 1/2 width and 1/2 height respectively right?  You can also use expressions when defining points, so for example: [(-x/2)+20,-y+25] (that is just a random point to illustrate the idea...)

That can help you reduce some of the 'guessing'.  Let me know if that helps...

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« Reply #2025 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:32:14 »
You do know you can use x and y to represent 1/2 width and 1/2 height respectively right?
I was using x/2 and y/2 for half size, that confused me a lot.
Still, some reference would help.

Again, your tool is a life saver, it allows me to do things in minutes that would take days otherwise.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2026 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:15:53 »
You do know you can use x and y to represent 1/2 width and 1/2 height respectively right?
I was using x/2 and y/2 for half size, that confused me a lot.
Still, some reference would help.

Again, your tool is a life saver, it allows me to do things in minutes that would take days otherwise.

I tried to explain it here (http://builder-docs.swillkb.com/features/#custom-polygons), but it is hard for me to know how well some of this stuff comes across.  It is hard for me because I am too close to the projects, so I don't know how much other people know/understand.  :)

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« Reply #2027 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:38:09 »
That documentation is pretty accurate by the way.
Would there be any chance to have a realtime design? Like polygons highlighted, say in red, as soon as you add your input.

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« Reply #2028 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 13:08:54 »
That documentation is pretty accurate by the way.
Would there be any chance to have a realtime design? Like polygons highlighted, say in red, as soon as you add your input.

this is another feature request which has been asked for a lot.  I have not started on it, but I do have the basic framework for this in place.  It will require a round trip to the server, but yes, it is possible...

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« Reply #2029 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 13:11:17 »
this is another feature request which has been asked for a lot.  I have not started on it, but I do have the basic framework for this in place.  It will require a round trip to the server, but yes, it is possible...
Great news. Keep up the good work.  :thumb:

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« Reply #2030 on: Tue, 16 May 2017, 22:53:30 »
hey swill, you think it's possible to add switch cut outs prepared for CNC milling?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65747.0

Yes, this is something I want to add, but I have not had enough time to actually do it yet.  nudeCNC has offered to help me with this as well, but I just have not found the time to actually implement it yet. 

The complicated part here is the stabilizers.  The switches are pretty easy, the stabilizers, not so much...

Just wanted to place a vote for this. I have a CNC itching for an easy to mill plate.

Also, I saw you comments about open sourcing this a while back, any chance that idea could be revisited? (or an issue tracker at the very least?). I would love to be able to easily contribute.
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« Reply #2031 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 13:05:35 »
Hi Swill,
I finally got around to using the custom-polygons-as-Alps-stabs thing, and I'm seeing some weird behaviour.
I'm getting an extra cluster of my four custom polygons in the center of the plate, in addition to the groups centered on specific switches.
171476-0

Any idea what's going on?

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2032 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 13:57:04 »
Hi Swill,
I finally got around to using the custom-polygons-as-Alps-stabs thing, and I'm seeing some weird behaviour.
I'm getting an extra cluster of my four custom polygons in the center of the plate, in addition to the groups centered on specific switches.
(Attachment Link)

Any idea what's going on?

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["Esc",{x:0.25},"F1","F2","F3","F4",{x:0.25},"F5","F6","F7","F8",{x:0.25},"F9","F10","F11","F12",{x:0.25},"Delete"],
[{y:0.5},"~\n`","!\n1","@\n2","#\n3","$\n4","%\n5","^\n6","&\n7","*\n8","(\n9",")\n0","_\n-","+\n=",{w:2,_c:"0,1,2,3",_s:0},"Backspace"],
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[{w:1.25},"Ctrl",{w:1.25},"Win",{w:1.25},"Alt",{a:7,w:6.25,_s:3},"",{a:4,w:1.25},"Alt",{w:1.25},"Win",{w:1.25},"Menu",{w:1.25},"Ctrl"]

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2
[11.1,4.9];[8.434,4.9];[8.434,10.1];[11.1,10.1];[11.1,4.9]
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[-11.1,4.9];[-8.434,4.9];[-8.434,10.1];[-11.1,10.1];[-11.1,4.9]
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[-22.8,4.9];[-20.134,4.9];[-20.134,10.1];[-22.8,10.1];[-22.8,4.9]
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[22.8,4.9];[20.134,4.9];[20.134,10.1];[22.8,10.1];[22.8,4.9]
Sorry. Yes, there is a bug which i need to fix. For some reason the cutouts are being repeated at the center of the layout. I started troubleshooting it, but with my new role at the day job, i have had limited time. I will review your config and try to get to the bottom of the problem.

Thanks for the reminder.

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2033 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 14:08:02 »
Swill, is it possible to assign a flexible hole for the bottom row, like 1.5x and 1.25x compatible like most off the shelf custom plates?

Without resorting to custom polygons, I mean.

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« Reply #2034 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 14:10:04 »
you can just place multiple switch sizes above each other

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2035 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 14:13:23 »
you can just place multiple switch sizes above each other
I believe this is what you mean right? Let me know if you mean something different or if this is not clear enough.

http://builder-docs.swillkb.com/pro-tips/#support-multiple-layouts

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« Reply #2036 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 15:36:31 »
Hi Swill,
I finally got around to using the custom-polygons-as-Alps-stabs thing, and I'm seeing some weird behaviour.
I'm getting an extra cluster of my four custom polygons in the center of the plate, in addition to the groups centered on specific switches.
(Attachment Link)

Any idea what's going on?

Layout JSON
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["Esc",{x:0.25},"F1","F2","F3","F4",{x:0.25},"F5","F6","F7","F8",{x:0.25},"F9","F10","F11","F12",{x:0.25},"Delete"],
[{y:0.5},"~\n`","!\n1","@\n2","#\n3","$\n4","%\n5","^\n6","&\n7","*\n8","(\n9",")\n0","_\n-","+\n=",{w:2,_c:"0,1,2,3",_s:0},"Backspace"],
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Sorry. Yes, there is a bug which i need to fix. For some reason the cutouts are being repeated at the center of the layout. I started troubleshooting it, but with my new role at the day job, i have had limited time. I will review your config and try to get to the bottom of the problem.

Thanks for the reminder.

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I was able to hand code the SVG back into shape, so no hurry, eh? :cool:

Offline stiligFox

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2037 on: Sun, 25 June 2017, 01:19:33 »
Question - if Iím using plate mounted 2u cherry stabs, do I need any further cutouts? Wonít the bar just hide under the plate?

Offline sakai4eva

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Re: NEW DOCS!!! swill's plate building tool [builder.swillkb.com]
« Reply #2038 on: Sun, 25 June 2017, 08:30:27 »
you can just place multiple switch sizes above each other
I believe this is what you mean right? Let me know if you mean something different or if this is not clear enough.

http://builder-docs.swillkb.com/pro-tips/#support-multiple-layouts

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Thanks! That is exactly what I was looking for.

Btw, are you planning on making a new video? I can help with Fusion360, although you might wanna find a better narrator.