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Title: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Tue, 29 December 2015, 08:54:55
(http://i.imgur.com/EScZBjS.png)

Space Extended is a new Eurostile inspired font for SA profile keycaps that Oobly, together with CQ_Cumbers, has recently developed.

Eurostile (https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/eurostile/) has been a perennially futuristic choice of typeface for movies, video games, and (of course) keyboards since the 1950s, and with its distinctive wide, thick, slightly curved lines, it provides a great counterpoint to the narrow, thin, and straight Gorton Modified (used in Jukebox (https://www.keychatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/keychatter_2015-10-14_19-34-42.jpg)) that is currently the only font option Signature Plastics has for SA profile keycaps. While Gorton is a decent looking font that suits a number of classic keyset designs, cutting SA doubleshot legends for Space Extended will provide more options and greater flexibility for set designers, opening up possibilities for sets that could not have been made before, especially those inspired by science and science fiction. We originally created this font for the Classic Space (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74350.0) set, to emulate the font used on the original Lego pieces that set is inspired by, but Space Extended is certainly not limited to Lego - it has been used in everything from 2001: A Space Odyssey to the Valentine Typewriter and the Commodore PET, and we hope it can be just as versatile among SA keycap designs. If funded, the legends will be available to all future group buys, giving designers a larger palette to paint their creative visions with.  It's really time we raised the bar for what can be done in SA.

(http://i.imgur.com/hlSF0Pm.jpg)

Note that the renders are almost but not quite final, as some may need more adjusting to SP's specifications, but overall the design of the legends should not change significantly

Renders of Classic Space (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74350.0), the first keycap set that will use this font, are coming soon.

Inspiration

(http://typesetinthefuture.com/postfiles/eurostile/euro_lego_movie_galaxy_explorer.jpg)
From The Lego Movie (http://typesetinthefuture.com/fontspots-eurostile/#more-233)

(http://typesetinthefuture.com/postfiles/eurostile/euro_2001.jpg)
From 2001: A Space Odyssey (http://typesetinthefuture.com/fontspots-eurostile/#more-233)

(http://i.imgur.com/NdPR16S.jpg)
From the Olivetti Valentine (http://www.massmadesoul.com/olivetti-valentine/)

(http://i.imgur.com/ekqihqR.jpg)
From the Commodore PET (http://www.6502.org/users/andre/petindex/keyboards.html)


Fundraising Plans

To make it possible, however, we will need your support. The main factor preventing new fonts from being introduced is cost: molds for keycap legends are $50 per key, and with 104 keys for just a basic ANSI layout, this will be a large project, but one with a potentially huge payoff for all keyboard enthusiasts. To this end, we plan on running a group buy for a limited edition 2016: A Space Extended Adventure set of keycaps, inspired by the screens of HAL 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey. These will probably cost significantly more than other novelty keycaps, so think of them more as a thank-you for supporting the costs of making the legends. If this is not enough, we plan on setting up a lottery for the first test set produced with this new font, the unique color scheme of which you can find below. If you win this, you will end up owning a piece of keyboard history, the first completely non-Gorton SA profile set to come from Signature Plastic's molds, and a one-off design that will be yours to keep! Note that these are plans, however, not promises, and we will have to wait until Oobly is available again (in one or two weeks) before running anything. The purpose of this interest check, like other interest checks, is to gauge community support and gather feedback on the font and the planned fundraising kit, before actually running them.

(http://imgur.com/ENywJ1v.png)
A preliminary render of the proposed 2016: A Space Extended Adventure fundraising keycap set.

Renders of the one-off test set are coming soon!

Summary

It will take some time for all the legends and the fundraising set to be approved, more time for the group buy to run, and even more time to cut the legends and check errors on the test set, before Classic Space (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74350.0), the first keycap set design with Space Extended, can run. We will update this thread as we progress. Please comment below if you are interested in supporting the Space Extended legends project, and if you have any questions, opinions, impressions, or suggestions about the font or the fundraising set; we sincerely appreciate any feedback!
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Waateva on Tue, 29 December 2015, 09:22:19
I would be interested in the Massdrop set and/or a raffle.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 29 December 2015, 09:23:18
Please make an "atm machine" key!!!!
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 29 December 2015, 09:28:58
TLDR; so are we fundraising and what do you need from us for this.  I was just talking about this set to a friend today and really excited to see we're almost there :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Tue, 29 December 2015, 10:00:36
TLDR; so are we fundraising and what do you need from us for this.  I was just talking about this set to a friend today and really excited to see we're almost there :thumb:

We're not fundraising yet. We plan to do that through a special fundraising keycaps group buy, which will wait until Oobly is available again - which is at least after New Year's. For now, I am looking to gauge interest in the font, and gather feedback and opinions about the font and the proposed HAL themed fundraising keycap set.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: romevi on Tue, 29 December 2015, 10:14:34
TLDR

lol Same.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Tue, 29 December 2015, 10:22:12
TLDR

lol Same.

If you need to, read the summary bullet points at the end of the post. I just wanted to include some pictures of the inspiration, and renders of the font and the HAL themed fundraising keycap set. Sorry!
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: romevi on Tue, 29 December 2015, 10:27:34
TLDR

lol Same.

If you need to, read the summary bullet points at the end of the post. I just wanted to include some pictures of the inspiration, and renders of the font and the HAL themed fundraising keycap set. Sorry!

I will! I was just confused because I thought earlier a whole new LEGO-themed keyset was going to be made, but I haven't kept up with that thread in a while. Now it seems that won't be the case, but I haven't read this new thread yet.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 29 December 2015, 10:40:16
Call us anxious CQ_Cumbers, we're watching the progress from the HYPE center here on geekhack.  Expect a little knee jerk when we see something new posted =)
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Tue, 29 December 2015, 10:48:54
TLDR

lol Same.

If you need to, read the summary bullet points at the end of the post. I just wanted to include some pictures of the inspiration, and renders of the font and the HAL themed fundraising keycap set. Sorry!

I will! I was just confused because I thought earlier a whole new LEGO-themed keyset was going to be made, but I haven't kept up with that thread in a while. Now it seems that won't be the case, but I haven't read this new thread yet.

Classic Space (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74350.0) is still going - it will be the first full keyset to use this Space Extended font, after the font is funded. The HAL themed 2016: A Space Extended Adventure keycaps are a planned means of funding the font. This way, the Classic Space group buy doesn't need to have exceptionally high prices or minimum orders to succeed, and you don't have to buy Classic Space to support Space Extended, a font which I think will be useful for the whole community, not just one set.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Waateva on Tue, 29 December 2015, 11:00:50
TLDR

lol Same.

If you need to, read the summary bullet points at the end of the post. I just wanted to include some pictures of the inspiration, and renders of the font and the HAL themed fundraising keycap set. Sorry!

I will! I was just confused because I thought earlier a whole new LEGO-themed keyset was going to be made, but I haven't kept up with that thread in a while. Now it seems that won't be the case, but I haven't read this new thread yet.

Classic Space (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74350.0) is still going - it will be the first full keyset to use this Space Extended font, after the font is funded. The HAL themed 2016: A Space Extended Adventure keycaps are a planned means of funding the font. This way, the Classic Space group buy doesn't need to have exceptionally high prices or minimum orders to succeed, and you don't have to buy Classic Space to support Space Extended, a font which I think will be useful for the whole community, not just one set.

Good explanation mate
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 29 December 2015, 11:11:39
Makes sense, even though I think more people would have paid extra for the Classic Space set than want the HAL-set. Of course, a lot of people might want to fund the font even if they're not wild about HAL, so that might bring the figures up.

Any idea how many sets would need to be sold at what price? 104x$50 is $5200, and that's not so bad, but then the production of the HAL sets come into it as well...
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 29 December 2015, 14:43:44
I'm in for Classic Space but don't have the funds to support both. I would honestly be fine with having to sell a few items and just pay the higher prices for Classic Space if it means I would get the set faster. It seems now that Classic Space will further be delayed until this set is complete. Best of luck though!
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Tue, 29 December 2015, 16:18:30
I'm in for Classic Space but don't have the funds to support both. I would honestly be fine with having to sell a few items and just pay the higher prices for Classic Space if it means I would get the set faster. It seems now that Classic Space will further be delayed until this set is complete. Best of luck though!

Unfortunately, funding the font by raising the price of Classic Space is probably impossible, as designers are only paid ~5% of sales, so we would need to sell more than $120,000.00 worth of Classic Space sets to get the font funded - quite a bit more than any set has sold before. A fundraising keycap set group buy would probably have to be run off the forum, with the prices increased substantially over typical novelty keycap sets, so that it would be essentially a thank-you to supporters for funding the font. By keeping these separate, people who want Classic Space can afford to buy Classic Space at a reasonable price from a typical group buy set, while people who want to help the community by funding a new font option for SA keycaps (people who want to make possible a Valentine typewriter themed set, or a better SA Skull Squadron, for example) can do so without paying a lot of extra money for Classic Space, which they might not be fans of in particular. I certainly would like to know how many people in the latter group, though.

If you have a different idea on how best to fund the font, I would love to hear it, too.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: honeynugget on Tue, 29 December 2015, 16:28:04
Wow this is a really nice change from Gorton Modified. I hope you guys can raise enough money to make this a thing!
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 29 December 2015, 16:29:34
I'm in for Classic Space but don't have the funds to support both. I would honestly be fine with having to sell a few items and just pay the higher prices for Classic Space if it means I would get the set faster. It seems now that Classic Space will further be delayed until this set is complete. Best of luck though!

Unfortunately, funding the font by raising the price of Classic Space is probably impossible, as designers are only paid ~5% of sales, so we would need to sell more than $120,000.00 worth of Classic Space sets to get the font funded - quite a bit more than any set has sold before. A fundraising keycap set group buy would probably have to be run off the forum, with the prices increased substantially over typical novelty keycap sets, so that it would be essentially a thank-you to supporters for funding the font. By keeping these separate, people who want Classic Space can afford to buy Classic Space at a reasonable price from a typical group buy set, while people who want to help the community by funding a new font option for SA keycaps (people who want to make possible a Valentine typewriter themed set, or a better SA Skull Squadron, for example) can do so without paying a lot of extra money for Classic Space, which they might not be fans of in particular. I certainly would like to know how many people in the latter group, though.

If you have a different idea on how best to fund the font, I would love to hear it, too.

Thank you for replying, I was afraid it would be impossible to go straight forward with the Classic Space set. Definitely splitting it up is better idea but I just hope that this set can get enough interest with it being white on black. I personally like it when the modifiers are of different colors, I haven't seen any sets with a good teal color yet. I'm really looking forward to the Classic Space set so I'll try my best to scrape together the case to support both.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Tue, 29 December 2015, 17:02:29
I'm in for Classic Space but don't have the funds to support both. I would honestly be fine with having to sell a few items and just pay the higher prices for Classic Space if it means I would get the set faster. It seems now that Classic Space will further be delayed until this set is complete. Best of luck though!

Unfortunately, funding the font by raising the price of Classic Space is probably impossible, as designers are only paid ~5% of sales, so we would need to sell more than $120,000.00 worth of Classic Space sets to get the font funded - quite a bit more than any set has sold before. A fundraising keycap set group buy would probably have to be run off the forum, with the prices increased substantially over typical novelty keycap sets, so that it would be essentially a thank-you to supporters for funding the font. By keeping these separate, people who want Classic Space can afford to buy Classic Space at a reasonable price from a typical group buy set, while people who want to help the community by funding a new font option for SA keycaps (people who want to make possible a Valentine typewriter themed set, or a better SA Skull Squadron, for example) can do so without paying a lot of extra money for Classic Space, which they might not be fans of in particular. I certainly would like to know how many people in the latter group, though.

If you have a different idea on how best to fund the font, I would love to hear it, too.

Thank you for replying, I was afraid it would be impossible to go straight forward with the Classic Space set. Definitely splitting it up is better idea but I just hope that this set can get enough interest with it being white on black. I personally like it when the modifiers are of different colors, I haven't seen any sets with a good teal color yet. I'm really looking forward to the Classic Space set so I'll try my best to scrape together the case to support both.

Sorry if it wasn't very clear, the black and white render is just so people can see what the font looks like without a color scheme. The actual fundraising keycaps we are planning to use, again more as a reward for supporters, are the set of 12 in different colors near the bottom of the post, inspired by HAL 9000's screens. This way, people don't need to pay for a whole set if they just want to support the font.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 29 December 2015, 17:06:15
More
I'm in for Classic Space but don't have the funds to support both. I would honestly be fine with having to sell a few items and just pay the higher prices for Classic Space if it means I would get the set faster. It seems now that Classic Space will further be delayed until this set is complete. Best of luck though!

Unfortunately, funding the font by raising the price of Classic Space is probably impossible, as designers are only paid ~5% of sales, so we would need to sell more than $120,000.00 worth of Classic Space sets to get the font funded - quite a bit more than any set has sold before. A fundraising keycap set group buy would probably have to be run off the forum, with the prices increased substantially over typical novelty keycap sets, so that it would be essentially a thank-you to supporters for funding the font. By keeping these separate, people who want Classic Space can afford to buy Classic Space at a reasonable price from a typical group buy set, while people who want to help the community by funding a new font option for SA keycaps (people who want to make possible a Valentine typewriter themed set, or a better SA Skull Squadron, for example) can do so without paying a lot of extra money for Classic Space, which they might not be fans of in particular. I certainly would like to know how many people in the latter group, though.

If you have a different idea on how best to fund the font, I would love to hear it, too.

Thank you for replying, I was afraid it would be impossible to go straight forward with the Classic Space set. Definitely splitting it up is better idea but I just hope that this set can get enough interest with it being white on black. I personally like it when the modifiers are of different colors, I haven't seen any sets with a good teal color yet. I'm really looking forward to the Classic Space set so I'll try my best to scrape together the case to support both.


Sorry if it wasn't very clear, the black and white render is just so people can see what the font looks like without a color scheme. The actual fundraising keycaps we are planning to use, again more as a reward for supporters, are the set of 12 in different colors near the bottom of the post, inspired by HAL 9000's screens. This way, people don't need to pay for a whole set if they just want to support the font.

Oh ok that makes more sense, the fault is likely mine for not 100% reading through the OP. Been super busy and been only having a few minutes here and there on the computer today, my apologies. I'll be glad to pitch in what I can to help fund these fonts, hoping to see these molds get a lot of use over the next year or so. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 29 December 2015, 18:35:36
This is a great idea. I'd support the fundraising by buying the HAL set.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 29 December 2015, 19:12:39
This font look interesting enough to grab my attention. I'll be watching to see how this progresses. Good luck!
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Tue, 29 December 2015, 20:07:20
I almost wonder if SP could help out with this, as it would be another font choice for set designers and for them to use if they were in the business of developing sets. Assuming there are future sets being developed with this, the legend costs could be spread out among those. I could see sets like Eve or Deep Space using this in the future.

It really depends on the cost for this set as to whether I would buy in, and with the fickle nature of group buys and the production times for SA, it could be awhile before we even get to see the fruits of your labor and our money. Definitely going to be watching developments for this though.

Also this is just another random thought, but I thought this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77937.0) was a cool idea and maybe a color chip novelty set using this font could be a decent option too.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 29 December 2015, 22:21:32
removed.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: theanyday on Wed, 30 December 2015, 08:57:18
I like the font and I've been following the Classic Space IC for a while so stoked to see this all moving forward still.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Zanduby on Wed, 30 December 2015, 11:16:25
Could we get 104 people to donate $50 or 208 at $25 etc. to help you get the legends made? I'm really looking forward to the Classic Space set and would love to help get the legends made for this set.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Data on Wed, 30 December 2015, 12:26:42
That font is sick.  I'm totally on board for this.

Can we have the option to buy a letter?  I want to buy D!  :p
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Wed, 30 December 2015, 13:26:17
That font is sick.  I'm totally on board for this.

Can we have the option to buy a letter?  I want to buy D!  :p

Like the Cherry Replica legends fundraiser? I think that's a great idea - I'll discuss it with Oobly and livingspeedbump. We thought the group buy idea would be more popular because people might like getting a reward for supporting the project, but it looks like that frequently is not the case. We probably won't start actually gathering funds until January, though.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 30 December 2015, 13:57:30
That font is sick.  I'm totally on board for this.

Can we have the option to buy a letter?  I want to buy D!  :p

Like the Cherry Replica legends fundraiser? I think that's a great idea - I'll discuss it with Oobly and livingspeedbump. We thought the group buy idea would be more popular because people might like getting a reward for supporting the project, but it looks like that frequently is not the case. We probably won't start actually gathering funds until January, though.

Just in time for my raise to come into effect!
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Iworkatwendys on Sat, 02 January 2016, 22:36:16
I'm down for pitching in for the molds.  Whatever gets the classic space set moving forward.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: keyboardia1 on Mon, 04 January 2016, 03:15:57
I almost wonder if SP could help out with this, as it would be another font choice for set designers and for them to use if they were in the business of developing sets. Assuming there are future sets being developed with this, the legend costs could be spread out among those. I could see sets like Eve or Deep Space using this in the future.
Fair question. Shouldn't they at least pay some of the costs?
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Mon, 04 January 2016, 21:11:43
I almost wonder if SP could help out with this, as it would be another font choice for set designers and for them to use if they were in the business of developing sets. Assuming there are future sets being developed with this, the legend costs could be spread out among those. I could see sets like Eve or Deep Space using this in the future.
Fair question. Shouldn't they at least pay some of the costs?

Well, perhaps they should, but SP doesn't really have a history of making molds for free (Even the alternative fonts they say they have available, like Isotherm, you would have to pay for to cut in SA profile), especially as the previous Cherry Replica Legends project paid for DSA legends themselves. I'm not sure it's worth the time and effort to try to make SP do things differently. As for spreading the costs over multiple sets, I am currently talking with some other set designers about it, but no promises yet. Oobly is, unfortunately, still very busy with real life, so it may be a while (I don't know exactly how long) before we can run the fundraising sets.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 05 January 2016, 16:22:37
I would possibly be interested! Definitely a very cool project!
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Hyde on Tue, 05 January 2016, 20:07:46
I love the font !!!  Definitely interested.

Though funny enough I actually prefer the black / white sample color way a lot better.  If someone can run that with all row 3 later that would be awesome.  :D
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: spectre on Wed, 13 January 2016, 05:50:45

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/ENywJ1v.png)

A preliminary render of the proposed 2016: A Space Extended Adventure fundraising keycap set.


You stole my idea! I was going to call it Odyssey.
Depending on the price, I want it
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: TheMalacoda on Thu, 14 January 2016, 14:29:32
I'm in, of course. Just for curiosity's sake (because I'm going to buy it anyway) about how much do you think the fundraising keycap set will go for? Ballpark?
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: mtl on Sun, 17 January 2016, 21:11:02
Awesome legends. I would be happy to support the new font. Also, please add 1.5u mods!
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Mon, 25 January 2016, 19:33:51
I'm in, of course. Just for curiosity's sake (because I'm going to buy it anyway) about how much do you think the fundraising keycap set will go for? Ballpark?

Because we need to make enough money to fund the font, the fundraising keycap set will need to be more expensive, maybe around $50.  The final price could be different depending on the cost of making it, but based on current estimates, at that price about 200 purchases would be enough for us to reach the $6000 necessary to cut all the legends, get test sets made, correct errors, etc. The fundraising keycaps are essentially a thank-you for supporting the font, which will be free for any future SA sets to use.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 25 January 2016, 19:35:37
I'm in, of course. Just for curiosity's sake (because I'm going to buy it anyway) about how much do you think the fundraising keycap set will go for? Ballpark?

Because we need to make enough money to fund the font, the fundraising keycap set will need to be more expensive, maybe around $50.  The final price could be different depending on the cost of making it, but based on current estimates, at that price about 200 purchases would be enough for us to reach the $6000 necessary to cut all the legends, get test sets made, correct errors, etc. The fundraising keycaps are essentially a thank-you for supporting the font, which will be free for any future SA sets to use.
I'd do it, in order to make classic space a possibility!
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: colomb on Tue, 26 January 2016, 12:13:14
I'm in.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Zanduby on Tue, 26 January 2016, 12:14:39
I'm in, of course. Just for curiosity's sake (because I'm going to buy it anyway) about how much do you think the fundraising keycap set will go for? Ballpark?

Because we need to make enough money to fund the font, the fundraising keycap set will need to be more expensive, maybe around $50.  The final price could be different depending on the cost of making it, but based on current estimates, at that price about 200 purchases would be enough for us to reach the $6000 necessary to cut all the legends, get test sets made, correct errors, etc. The fundraising keycaps are essentially a thank-you for supporting the font, which will be free for any future SA sets to use.

I am in.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: regack on Wed, 03 February 2016, 19:57:59
I'll support this.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 04 February 2016, 10:01:28
When...is this Fundraising GB happening?
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 09 February 2016, 02:30:46
Hi, been out of the loop for a while for personal reasons, but my current estimate of the 12 key fundraising set is $30 to $35. It does depend if we can get enough sets sold, but we're hoping to get it to Massdrop and perhaps that coupled with some decent promotion (and a few new renders) could bring in a decent amount of what we need for cutting legends. If it looks like it won't get enough exposure to sell in decent numbers, then the cost could well be closer to $50 as CQ_Cumbers has said, though. We'll be sending the legend files to Melissa soon for checking and get some quotes for different MOQ tiers.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: simonyunhe on Tue, 09 February 2016, 03:09:50

Hi, been out of the loop for a while for personal reasons, but my current estimate of the 12 key fundraising set is $30 to $35. It does depend if we can get enough sets sold, but we're hoping to get it to Massdrop and perhaps that coupled with some decent promotion (and a few new renders) could bring in a decent amount of what we need for cutting legends. If it looks like it won't get enough exposure to sell in decent numbers, then the cost could well be closer to $50 as CQ_Cumbers has said, though. We'll be sending the legend files to Melissa soon for checking and get some quotes for different MOQ tiers.
Good to know, thx for the update.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: My_Thoughts on Tue, 09 February 2016, 09:26:56
to reach the $6000 necessary to cut all the legends, get test sets made, correct errors, etc

I'm really looking forward to the Classic Space keycaps, but as an ISO user can I ask what ISO options are included in the 6k?  I'm not sure how the legends will work.  I assume if "backspace" is made, then it can be used by other designers to replace Caps Lock (such as with Pulse).   I guess Plank/White Fox might need some special legends as well.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Tue, 09 February 2016, 15:09:47
to reach the $6000 necessary to cut all the legends, get test sets made, correct errors, etc

I'm really looking forward to the Classic Space keycaps, but as an ISO user can I ask what ISO options are included in the 6k?  I'm not sure how the legends will work.  I assume if "backspace" is made, then it can be used by other designers to replace Caps Lock (such as with Pulse).   I guess Plank/White Fox might need some special legends as well.

As far as I know, current plans are to include basic legends for UK ISO compatibility, but probably not for Planck or White Fox unless we raise significantly more than $6000 and there is a lot of support for legends in a specific nonstandard layout.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Tue, 09 February 2016, 15:22:34
5
to reach the $6000 necessary to cut all the legends, get test sets made, correct errors, etc

I'm really looking forward to the Classic Space keycaps, but as an ISO user can I ask what ISO options are included in the 6k?  I'm not sure how the legends will work.  I assume if "backspace" is made, then it can be used by other designers to replace Caps Lock (such as with Pulse).   I guess Plank/White Fox might need some special legends as well.

As far as I know, current plans are to include basic legends for UK ISO compatibility, but probably not for Planck or White Fox unless we raise significantly more than $6000 and there is a lot of support for legends in a specific nonstandard layout.
Arent fonts row agnostic?
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 09 February 2016, 16:34:37
5
to reach the $6000 necessary to cut all the legends, get test sets made, correct errors, etc

I'm really looking forward to the Classic Space keycaps, but as an ISO user can I ask what ISO options are included in the 6k?  I'm not sure how the legends will work.  I assume if "backspace" is made, then it can be used by other designers to replace Caps Lock (such as with Pulse).   I guess Plank/White Fox might need some special legends as well.

As far as I know, current plans are to include basic legends for UK ISO compatibility, but probably not for Planck or White Fox unless we raise significantly more than $6000 and there is a lot of support for legends in a specific nonstandard layout.
Arent fonts row agnostic?

I wouldn't think so, at least for doubleshot.  The letters would need to follow the contour of the cap itself.

Hopefully someone with more info than me can chime in.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: nemoy on Tue, 09 February 2016, 19:56:30
These are awesome. I love the font!
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Wed, 10 February 2016, 06:59:10
5
to reach the $6000 necessary to cut all the legends, get test sets made, correct errors, etc

I'm really looking forward to the Classic Space keycaps, but as an ISO user can I ask what ISO options are included in the 6k?  I'm not sure how the legends will work.  I assume if "backspace" is made, then it can be used by other designers to replace Caps Lock (such as with Pulse).   I guess Plank/White Fox might need some special legends as well.

As far as I know, current plans are to include basic legends for UK ISO compatibility, but probably not for Planck or White Fox unless we raise significantly more than $6000 and there is a lot of support for legends in a specific nonstandard layout.
Arent fonts row agnostic?

I wouldn't think so, at least for doubleshot.  The letters would need to follow the contour of the cap itself.

Hopefully someone with more info than me can chime in.

AFAIK, SA legends can be reused for any SA row profile key of the same size, but not for keys of different sizes, or any profiles outside the SA family. This means sculpted, all R3, Colemak, Dvorak, QWERTZ, AZERTY, etc. layouts are all possible at no additional cost, but Planck, Ergodox, and other layouts with nonstandard key sizes would require additional legends to be cut.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Wed, 10 February 2016, 07:18:12
5
to reach the $6000 necessary to cut all the legends, get test sets made, correct errors, etc

I'm really looking forward to the Classic Space keycaps, but as an ISO user can I ask what ISO options are included in the 6k?  I'm not sure how the legends will work.  I assume if "backspace" is made, then it can be used by other designers to replace Caps Lock (such as with Pulse).   I guess Plank/White Fox might need some special legends as well.

As far as I know, current plans are to include basic legends for UK ISO compatibility, but probably not for Planck or White Fox unless we raise significantly more than $6000 and there is a lot of support for legends in a specific nonstandard layout.
Arent fonts row agnostic?

I wouldn't think so, at least for doubleshot.  The letters would need to follow the contour of the cap itself.

Hopefully someone with more info than me can chime in.

AFAIK, SA legends can be reused for any SA row profile key of the same size, but not for keys of different sizes, or any profiles outside the SA family. This means sculpted, all R3, Colemak, Dvorak, QWERTZ, AZERTY, etc. layouts are all possible at no additional cost, but Planck, Ergodox, and other layouts with nonstandard key sizes would require additional legends to be cut.

Thats what I thought, thanks. White fox support shouldn't be too bad depending on the layout, and buying one or two legends for a specialty kit shouldn't hurt future GB's too badly.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 10 February 2016, 08:20:30
5
to reach the $6000 necessary to cut all the legends, get test sets made, correct errors, etc

I'm really looking forward to the Classic Space keycaps, but as an ISO user can I ask what ISO options are included in the 6k?  I'm not sure how the legends will work.  I assume if "backspace" is made, then it can be used by other designers to replace Caps Lock (such as with Pulse).   I guess Plank/White Fox might need some special legends as well.

As far as I know, current plans are to include basic legends for UK ISO compatibility, but probably not for Planck or White Fox unless we raise significantly more than $6000 and there is a lot of support for legends in a specific nonstandard layout.
Arent fonts row agnostic?

I wouldn't think so, at least for doubleshot.  The letters would need to follow the contour of the cap itself.

Hopefully someone with more info than me can chime in.

AFAIK, SA legends can be reused for any SA row profile key of the same size, but not for keys of different sizes, or any profiles outside the SA family. This means sculpted, all R3, Colemak, Dvorak, QWERTZ, AZERTY, etc. layouts are all possible at no additional cost, but Planck, Ergodox, and other layouts with nonstandard key sizes would require additional legends to be cut.

Unfortunately, I think you might be in the wrong here, every legend is specific to size AND profile. This is why, for the longest time SP didn't have Row 4 Shift keys. The way double shot works (At least at SP), it requires the legends to take the profile as well as the size of a keycap.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Wed, 10 February 2016, 08:50:10
5
to reach the $6000 necessary to cut all the legends, get test sets made, correct errors, etc

I'm really looking forward to the Classic Space keycaps, but as an ISO user can I ask what ISO options are included in the 6k?  I'm not sure how the legends will work.  I assume if "backspace" is made, then it can be used by other designers to replace Caps Lock (such as with Pulse).   I guess Plank/White Fox might need some special legends as well.

As far as I know, current plans are to include basic legends for UK ISO compatibility, but probably not for Planck or White Fox unless we raise significantly more than $6000 and there is a lot of support for legends in a specific nonstandard layout.
Arent fonts row agnostic?

I wouldn't think so, at least for doubleshot.  The letters would need to follow the contour of the cap itself.

Hopefully someone with more info than me can chime in.

AFAIK, SA legends can be reused for any SA row profile key of the same size, but not for keys of different sizes, or any profiles outside the SA family. This means sculpted, all R3, Colemak, Dvorak, QWERTZ, AZERTY, etc. layouts are all possible at no additional cost, but Planck, Ergodox, and other layouts with nonstandard key sizes would require additional legends to be cut.

Unfortunately, I think you might be in the wrong here, every legend is specific to size AND profile. This is why, for the longest time SP didn't have Row 4 Shift keys. The way double shot works (At least at SP), it requires the legends to take the profile as well as the size of a keycap.

That was because they didn't have a row 4 2.75 unit mold. If it was a legend problem... there never would have been a problem. It would have just been made in any group buy.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 10 February 2016, 08:52:33
I'd still wager that the legends are row specific. Melissa from SP should be able to confirm.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 10 February 2016, 09:06:28
I'd still wager that the legends are row specific. Melissa from SP should be able to confirm.

From my own experience, they are. :(
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Wed, 10 February 2016, 09:16:14
From Melissa on September 24, 2015:

We can use the same legends across rows assuming they are the same size keycap - we can't use a 1 space legend for a 1.25 space key though. Legends are also specific to the keycap family - i.e. SA legends cannot be used with DSA keys - the curvature of the keycap is different.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 10 February 2016, 09:17:28
From Melissa on September 24, 2015:

We can use the same legends across rows assuming they are the same size keycap - we can't use a 1 space legend for a 1.25 space key though. Legends are also specific to the keycap family - i.e. SA legends cannot be used with DSA keys - the curvature of the keycap is different.

That's nice to know.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: E.E.L. Ambiense on Mon, 15 February 2016, 09:24:26
Just wanted to jump in and say this is a gorgeously-designed typeface, and it really pops!  Personally I'd love a black and white contrasted set with this typeface used.  Sexy!
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 15 February 2016, 09:39:18
I can actually see the font being quite popular for modern and retro-modern themes in the future.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: E.E.L. Ambiense on Mon, 15 February 2016, 09:41:39
Absolutely.  What I love about it is it utilizes the available strike-area of the key without looking overbearing, lop-sided, or 'gaudy'. 
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CMDR_Rockman on Tue, 16 February 2016, 20:02:47
Hi all! (first geekhack post) I'm super excited for this font! I couldn't wait to see it on some keys so I printed up some labels for my relegendables.

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Here is the reddit post with the keyboard it's on: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/460ap9/atreus_blues/
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Tue, 16 February 2016, 21:30:58
Very cool, and a nice physical mockup of the legends. The actual ones do look a bit different to accomodate SP's doubleshot limitations (in general, they are smaller and have more rounded corners), but Eurostile on keycaps is always great to see! Just a tip, the SVG you posted is using an embedded font, so it won't look like Eurostile unless you explicitly select it in your font menu. If you want it to look the same to everyone, you should consider changing the letters into paths.

I believe Oobly is working on getting the fundraising set approved and the logistics figured out, so that we should be able to start in a week or two.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 17 February 2016, 10:29:02

I believe Oobly is working on getting the fundraising set approved and the logistics figured out, so that we should be able to start in a week or two.

Excellent news :)  I am really excited about this, but slow and steady and getting it right is the way to go :)
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: qazeqaz on Thu, 18 February 2016, 00:30:09
I have to say that I really like the way this one looks. I am interested.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: evangs on Wed, 24 February 2016, 21:41:22
I'm so pumped for this!
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Mon, 07 March 2016, 03:40:06
This is awesome!  As an industrial designer, I have to say that the Olivetti Valentine is a pinnacle for product design for the era.  It's in all the Industrial Design books as well as on display at the MoMa in NYC and the Pompidou in Paris.  I am SOOO down for this set.  Very clever.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Zanduby on Wed, 09 March 2016, 20:42:08
Hey CQ, any updates on this? Is this a dead IC now? I was really looking forward the keyset.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 09 March 2016, 23:00:54
Signature Plastics is so backed up right now and there is already a buy in progress not to mention a backlog in the pipe.  This one is also a bit more involved since in order to get the font legend made, we will possibly see a separate release to help fund the new legend.  But even with the separate release, there comes the issue of when that separate release even could be made.

TLDR; patience and this too will come, but its going to be a while (most likely)
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: -musubi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 16:25:51
I like that that the fonts are pretty unique compared to all the other SA sets coming out, but I would definitely prefer having different colored alphas/modifiers
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Wed, 23 March 2016, 06:35:21
I like that that the fonts are pretty unique compared to all the other SA sets coming out, but I would definitely prefer having different colored alphas/modifiers

To be clear, the render in all black at the top of the first post is solely for previewing the font. This is not an interest check for an individual set, but an interest check for a new doubleshot font that may be used by other SA sets, the first of which will be Classic Space. The last picture on the first post is what the fundraising set we were planning to sell in order to fund the rest of the legends.

While this project is not dead, progress has been relatively slow recently, so it may still be a while before fundraising starts. What I would like to know is: what are your thoughts on the HAL themed fundraiser keycaps, as shown on the last picture on the first post? We were planning on using them as a reward for those who donated, but I don't know how many are interested in the HAL keys, and if they don't affect how many people donate it may be faster to just run a "sponsor-a-key" program, like Cherry Replica legends.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 23 March 2016, 08:14:26
I like that that the fonts are pretty unique compared to all the other SA sets coming out, but I would definitely prefer having different colored alphas/modifiers

To be clear, the render in all black at the top of the first post is solely for previewing the font. This is not an interest check for an individual set, but an interest check for a new doubleshot font that may be used by other SA sets, the first of which will be Classic Space. The last picture on the first post is what the fundraising set we were planning to sell in order to fund the rest of the legends.

While this project is not dead, progress has been relatively slow recently, so it may still be a while before fundraising starts. What I would like to know is: what are your thoughts on the HAL themed fundraiser keycaps, as shown on the last picture on the first post? We were planning on using them as a reward for those who donated, but I don't know how many are interested in the HAL keys, and since Signature Plastics is pretty busy, if they don't affect how many people donate it may be faster to just run a "sponsor-a-key" program, like Cherry Replica legends.

'Um...I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave.'

Interested in a HAL in whatever channel you choose
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 23 March 2016, 09:24:46
Has anyone approached Yanbo at Massdrop on the funding aspect?  Seems that with all the amazing SA and DSA sets that over reach MOQ, that this would be a no brainer for them to look into a bit more.  If for no other reason but to provide an even greater spread of legend designs for future drops (err I mean group buys).
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: HouseofSuffering on Wed, 23 March 2016, 09:57:25
I would be down to help fund this, whenever it gets going. I really want that Lego Space set to happen.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Wed, 23 March 2016, 09:58:35
Has anyone approached Yanbo at Massdrop on the funding aspect?  Seems that with all the amazing SA and DSA sets that over reach MOQ, that this would be a no brainer for them to look into a bit more.  If for no other reason but to provide an even greater spread of legend designs for future drops (err I mean group buys).

It also might be possible for them to spread out the cost over a few keyset drops, to defer the costs for their first set.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: CQ_Cumbers on Wed, 23 March 2016, 10:27:04
Has anyone approached Yanbo at Massdrop on the funding aspect?  Seems that with all the amazing SA and DSA sets that over reach MOQ, that this would be a no brainer for them to look into a bit more.  If for no other reason but to provide an even greater spread of legend designs for future drops (err I mean group buys).

The ideal was to run the HAL set on massdrop, but for that we'd have to both sell a lot of sets and arrange with Massdrop and/or SP to get a larger percentage of profits used to cut the font, as typical designer returns don't reach $6000 even for very successful sets. I'll ask about it.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 23 March 2016, 10:35:26
The ideal was to run the HAL set on massdrop, but for that we'd have to both sell a lot of sets and arrange with Massdrop and/or SP to get a larger percentage of profits used to cut the font, as typical designer returns don't reach $6000 even for very successful sets. I'll ask about it.

I agree with your strategy.  I was looking at it more from a "this is our idea, this is why we want to do this, this is what we need to help make it happen".  (When I say "we" and "our" I mean yours and others in the community who are working with you on this IC).  I think they (MassDrop) would take a very serious perspective on this in terms of working with making the project happen but without the same fund raiser approach you might be looking at without their (corporate marketing strategy) support.  I think this whole font IC is a fresh alternative to the same old same old font set that made you think about this from the beginning.  I also believe it, or an idea like it, would be useful for more projects to come (from both you and other community members who can utilize it).
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: regack on Sun, 27 March 2016, 20:05:12
I like that that the fonts are pretty unique compared to all the other SA sets coming out, but I would definitely prefer having different colored alphas/modifiers

To be clear, the render in all black at the top of the first post is solely for previewing the font. This is not an interest check for an individual set, but an interest check for a new doubleshot font that may be used by other SA sets, the first of which will be Classic Space. The last picture on the first post is what the fundraising set we were planning to sell in order to fund the rest of the legends.

While this project is not dead, progress has been relatively slow recently, so it may still be a while before fundraising starts. What I would like to know is: what are your thoughts on the HAL themed fundraiser keycaps, as shown on the last picture on the first post? We were planning on using them as a reward for those who donated, but I don't know how many are interested in the HAL keys, and since Signature Plastics is pretty busy, if they don't affect how many people donate it may be faster to just run a "sponsor-a-key" program, like Cherry Replica legends.

'Um...I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave.'

Interested in a HAL in whatever channel you choose

I'm with 00zeRO, I'm in to support the font and the HAL keycaps, whichever way it goes. 
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 27 March 2016, 20:11:56
Love the font!
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Lipton on Mon, 28 March 2016, 16:04:35
Love it! I'm in :D
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Data on Mon, 28 March 2016, 20:31:39
Still interested in "buying" a key for this.  I know it would only be symbolic but it still seems totally worth it.  :p  If there are ~120 of us throughout all the keyboard communities willing to throw down like that you could fund the entire key set that way.  No need for fundraisers, just knock it out "for the greater good".  We would need some assurances that you wouldn't disappear with the money.   :cool:

Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: evangs on Mon, 28 March 2016, 21:23:12
Still interested in "buying" a key for this.  I know it would only be symbolic but it still seems totally worth it.  :p  If there are ~120 of us throughout all the keyboard communities willing to throw down like that you could fund the entire key set that way.  No need for fundraisers, just knock it out "for the greater good".  We would need some assurances that you wouldn't disappear with the money.   :cool:

I'd be in for this. Let's get this funded and underway
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Jedi on Mon, 28 March 2016, 23:40:08
Still interested in "buying" a key for this.  I know it would only be symbolic but it still seems totally worth it.  :p  If there are ~120 of us throughout all the keyboard communities willing to throw down like that you could fund the entire key set that way.  No need for fundraisers, just knock it out "for the greater good".  We would need some assurances that you wouldn't disappear with the money.   :cool:

That's why I think we need a hard talk with MD.  Come on man, I still think they would come through for the community's sake.  They know we had a little "situation" in here, they also know how passionate we are on doing this.  They are pretty active over there across the pond, lets ask them to stir up the pot over there for keyboard science.  Has anyone asked Zambumon if he'd be interested in the font set?  Seems if we can get the two sets going with this font, that the talks would sweeten the deal.  We know that EngiCoder and ZSlane are up for next in queue and both at last I read are planning on going through Massdrop.  Maybe this is better as a PM, I just really want to see us move to GB, so I'll back down.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: hadees on Tue, 29 March 2016, 02:00:42
The HAL set looks dope, i'm in.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Tue, 29 March 2016, 06:38:23
Still interested in "buying" a key for this.  I know it would only be symbolic but it still seems totally worth it.  :p  If there are ~120 of us throughout all the keyboard communities willing to throw down like that you could fund the entire key set that way.  No need for fundraisers, just knock it out "for the greater good".  We would need some assurances that you wouldn't disappear with the money.   :cool:

That's why I think we need a hard talk with MD.  Come on man, I still think they would come through for the community's sake.  They know we had a little "situation" in here, they also know how passionate we are on doing this.  They are pretty active over there across the pond, lets ask them to stir up the pot over there for keyboard science.  Has anyone asked Zambumon if he'd be interested in the font set?  Seems if we can get the two sets going with this font, that the talks would sweeten the deal.  We know that EngiCoder and ZSlane are up for next in queue and both at last I read are planning on going through Massdrop.  Maybe this is better as a PM, I just really want to see us move to GB, so I'll back down.

I think the biggest issue is that with the SA backlog, and the popularity of reruns, this could take a LONG time to pay off over multiple sets. And we would have to negotiate use of the font itself for community GB's, which would make it even tougher to convince them.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: evangs on Wed, 30 March 2016, 12:37:25
I'm willing to donate to the new font being cut, with nothing in return.  I just want to see it happen and get some sets produced with the new font.  I'm sure others are willing to donate as well.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 27 April 2016, 23:38:50
I'm willing to donate to the new font being cut, with nothing in return.  I just want to see it happen and get some sets produced with the new font.  I'm sure others are willing to donate as well.

Though getting something in return is nice, getting the initiative done is also nice.  In other words, I echo what's quoted above.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: japanitrat on Mon, 27 June 2016, 08:57:50
I'm willing to donate to the new font being cut, with nothing in return.  I just want to see it happen and get some sets produced with the new font.  I'm sure others are willing to donate as well.

Seconding that. I am willing to pay more/donate just for getting the legend molds done. Without something in return ... other than credit :D
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Scivive on Mon, 11 July 2016, 17:07:47
Love the font, I'm interested
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: nateth on Mon, 11 July 2016, 23:25:17
I'll donate a letter.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 12 July 2016, 09:05:46
Actually, that's a good idea. Donations for individual characters. A - brought to you by User1. :)
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: evangs on Tue, 12 July 2016, 09:32:20
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Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 17 August 2016, 05:20:45
I'm not sure how the fonts will work.  For example if we get the @ symbol made I assume it can be scaled and then used in the various positions ISO sets use it?   Assuming this is the case I would also be up for funding a key :)
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Data on Wed, 17 August 2016, 06:54:31
I'm not sure how the fonts will work.  For example if we get the @ symbol made I assume it can be scaled and then used in the various positions ISO sets use it?   Assuming this is the case I would also be up for funding a key :)

It's not really done on a glyph-by-glyph basis.  It's done by keys.  The molds are steel or brass (most likely 440C stainless) so they will machine a mold for each key.  Key sizes are "fixed" for each profile, and they will generally cut a mold for each row profile 1-4 where appropriate.  Every legend is a single piece of molded plastic.  So for US ANSI "3#" key, they'll cut both glyphs into the legend mold.  Practically speaking, that means they are not scalable.  And for each variation of ISO a new mold is required to manufacture that key in the specified row profile.  So your UK ISO "3£" key, you can't just borrow the 3 from US ANSI "3#" and add the British Pound glyph.  You need a new mold.  So you might begin to understand why this venture is so complicated and expensive.

Edit: I should clarify - SP might have a typesetting rig they can use for custom legends within their existing font family.  For example, the "MASTER ARM" key I designed for Danger Zone might not have required a custom mold if they could make it using their Gorton Modified typeset -- like Gutenberg's "movable type", where they just arrange individual letters to create the legend mold.  But that's with an existing font face and doesn't really apply to the Space Extended project.  :P 

I also have no idea if such a rig exists for injection molding.  :-X
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 17 August 2016, 07:50:33
I'm not sure how the fonts will work.  For example if we get the @ symbol made I assume it can be scaled and then used in the various positions ISO sets use it?   Assuming this is the case I would also be up for funding a key :)

It's not really done on a glyph-by-glyph basis.  It's done by keys.  The molds are steel or brass (most likely 440C stainless) so they will machine a mold for each key.  Key sizes are "fixed" for each profile, and they will generally cut a mold for each row profile 1-4 where appropriate.  Every legend is a single piece of molded plastic.  So for US ANSI "3#" key, they'll cut both glyphs into the legend mold.  Practically speaking, that means they are not scalable.  And for each variation of ISO a new mold is required to manufacture that key in the specified row profile.  So your UK ISO "3£" key, you can't just borrow the 3 from US ANSI "3#" and add the British Pound glyph.  You need a new mold.  So you might begin to understand why this venture is so complicated and expensive.

Edit: I should clarify - SP might have a typesetting rig they can use for custom legends within their existing font family.  For example, the "MASTER ARM" key I designed for Danger Zone might not have required a custom mold if they could make it using their Gorton Modified typeset -- like Gutenberg's "movable type", where they just arrange individual letters to create the legend mold.  But that's with an existing font face and doesn't really apply to the Space Extended project.  :P 

I also have no idea if such a rig exists for injection molding.  :-X

Thanks for the detailed reply :)  It seems we will need extra keys for all the ISO set making everything bigger and harder to do.  I'm still happy to pay for a key to be made, but going down that route we will 100 people to get involved.
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: THX1138b on Wed, 25 October 2017, 11:09:40
I guess this fell through? Surely Eurostile or Microgramma fonts are the whole point of SA spherical keycaps??
Title: Re: [IC] SPACE EXTENDED - NEW SA Doubleshot Font Project
Post by: Keynami on Fri, 27 December 2019, 20:50:29
I am a huge fan of the white-on-black render. I would go for that one if it were available  :p