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[konstantin]

A small suggestion regarding the NorDeUK kit: you may want to drop all of the sublegends on the keys. Currently the kit is quite large, and doing this will help reduce its size, since there are several keys that only differ in their tertiary legends and are otherwise duplicates. For example, the R4 <>, <>|, <>\; R1 2"@, 3#£, 4$€; etc. could all be removed if you decide to drop the sublegends. (The R4 <> can be dropped in either case, since it now exists in the base kit.)

And speaking of which, you can also drop the R4 \| in the base kit; it isn't necessary with the R4 <> around.

The kits look good otherwise, both in terms of size and compatibility.

[S3LQ]

A small suggestion regarding the NorDeUK kit: you may want to drop all of the sublegends on the keys. Currently the kit is quite large, and doing this will help reduce its size, since there are several keys that only differ in their tertiary legends and are otherwise duplicates. For example, the R4 <>, <>|, <>\; R1 2"@, 3#£, 4$€; etc. could all be removed if you decide to drop the sublegends. (The R4 <> can be dropped in either case, since it now exists in the base kit.)

And speaking of which, you can also drop the R4 \| in the base kit; it isn't necessary with the R4 <> around.

The kits look good otherwise, both in terms of size and compatibility.

Hey! Thanks for this, this will help us with finalizing the sets!

[Prelim]

if you decide to remove the sub-legends, then the Norderuk+ addon is no longer a multiple language kit support but a "universal and defective" one, which is kind of pointless IMHO.

[S3LQ]

if you decide to remove the sub-legends, then the Norderuk+ addon is no longer a multiple language kit support but a "universal and defective" one, which is kind of pointless IMHO.

I won't remove the sub-legends, but I will cut down duplicates and unnecessary keys I've added.

[konstantin]

if you decide to remove the sub-legends, then the Norderuk+ addon is no longer a multiple language kit support but a "universal and defective" one, which is kind of pointless IMHO.

While this is true, keep in mind that having a “universal and defective” kit can also mean having a kit that reaches MOQ, as opposed to one that does not. This is GMK, after all; NorDeUK kits usually reach MOQ only in exceptionally popular sets (1000+ base kit sales). I don't know if this set can reach those numbers, and for that reason, it might not be a risk that's worth taking. But at the end of the day, it's up to the runner to decide.

I would just like to recommend keeping the following in mind: Would you rather fully cover the main part your intl layout and forgo the sublegends for the less frequently used characters — or not cover it at all (i.e. only cover it with US ISO)?

[S3LQ]

if you decide to remove the sub-legends, then the Norderuk+ addon is no longer a multiple language kit support but a "universal and defective" one, which is kind of pointless IMHO.

While this is true, keep in mind that having a “universal and defective” kit can also mean having a kit that reaches MOQ, as opposed to one that does not. This is GMK, after all; NorDeUK kits usually reach MOQ only in exceptionally popular sets (1000+ base kit sales). I don't know if this set can reach those numbers, and for that reason, it might not be a risk that's worth taking. But at the end of the day, it's up to the runner to decide.

I would just like to recommend keeping the following in mind: Would you rather fully cover the main part your intl layout and forgo the sublegends for the less frequently used characters — or not cover it at all (i.e. only cover it with US ISO)?

Thanks! I’ll think about what I’d like. A lot og people interested in the NorDeUk kit, but reaching moq is another part.

[cns187]

I am a sucker for burgundy.  I think this will be my first GMK purchase.

[S3LQ]

I am a sucker for burgundy.  I think this will be my first GMK purchase.

Really nice to hear! The colors are being a bit updated, you will still get the burgundy feel, but a bit brighter!

[S3LQ]

We have now updated the colors, new brighter red for accent, and legends of the mods. Also updated the white legends to a bit darker white. Other than that we have also finalized the different kits, we adjusted the NorDeUK kit, cut out some keys, and made it a proper NorDeUK kit. We also fixed a few keys on the base kit and updated colors on the deskmats. Other than that, we are working on updating the on-board renders as well! Thanks for all feedback, and I hope this is a positive change for the community!

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[whatz]

Still any chance to get some FR keys ? 

[S3LQ]

Still any chance to get some FR keys ? 

Considering we run a NorDeUk kit, that would most likely not be a thing we would add, I'm sorry. Otherwise, make sure fill out the form with you wanting FR keys, and if there is a lot of people who want it, we will consider it!

[whatz]

Still any chance to get some FR keys ? 

Considering we run a NorDeUk kit, that would most likely not be a thing we would add, I'm sorry. Otherwise, make sure fill out the form with you wanting FR keys, and if there is a lot of people who want it, we will consider it!

I did ! But no problem, we will see 

[S3LQ]

Still any chance to get some FR keys ? 

Considering we run a NorDeUk kit, that would most likely not be a thing we would add, I'm sorry. Otherwise, make sure fill out the form with you wanting FR keys, and if there is a lot of people who want it, we will consider it!

I did ! But no problem, we will see 

Thanks!

[riku.]

looks clean - interested

[S3LQ]

looks clean - interested

Thanks! Make sure to fill in the form if you are interested, and you will be notified whenever GB goes live! 

[konstantin]

You may want to include a 1.25u convex space key in the spacebar kit. This is useful for 2.75+1.25+2.25 split spacebar setups, which are very common, as well as for Alice-like ergo layouts. 1u space could be useful as well.

Perhaps four Enter novelties is too much? I'm not sure which of the two designs I prefer, but I know I probably wouldn't need both of them.

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[S3LQ]

You may want to include a 1.25u convex space key in the spacebar kit. This is useful for 2.75+1.25+2.25 split spacebar setups, which are very common, as well as for Alice-like ergo layouts. 1u space could be useful as well.

Perhaps four Enter novelties is too much? I'm not sure which of the two designs I prefer, but I know I probably wouldn't need both of them.

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That’s true! I will look into this and look for better sulitions! 

[Prelim]

since we went from Nordeuk++ to normal Nordeuk to make a $10 cheaper kit (sacrificing 13 caps for the remaining languages support), I no longer have interest on this. sorry!

[S3LQ]

since we went from Nordeuk++ to normal Nordeuk to make a $10 cheaper kit (sacrificing 13 caps for the remaining languages support), I no longer have interest on this. sorry!

That's sad to hear, I'm trying to adjust it to bigger groups than each individual. Sorry it doesn't fit you 

[TalkingTree]

since we went from Nordeuk++ to normal Nordeuk to make a $10 cheaper kit (sacrificing 13 caps for the remaining languages support), I no longer have interest on this. sorry!

Agreed. The extra cost was on the buyer anyway.

[S3LQ]

since we went from Nordeuk++ to normal Nordeuk to make a $10 cheaper kit (sacrificing 13 caps for the remaining languages support), I no longer have interest on this. sorry!

Agreed. The extra cost was on the buyer anyway.

We are working on this, if this is something the community really want, we could add these extra keys if you would like:

[S3LQ]

since we went from Nordeuk++ to normal Nordeuk to make a $10 cheaper kit (sacrificing 13 caps for the remaining languages support), I no longer have interest on this. sorry!

Would this be a better option for you?

[konstantin]

since we went from Nordeuk++ to normal Nordeuk to make a $10 cheaper kit (sacrificing 13 caps for the remaining languages support), I no longer have interest on this. sorry!

Agreed. The extra cost was on the buyer anyway.

Whom the extra cost is on doesn't matter if the kit can't make MOQ.

[TalkingTree]

since we went from Nordeuk++ to normal Nordeuk to make a $10 cheaper kit (sacrificing 13 caps for the remaining languages support), I no longer have interest on this. sorry!

Would this be a better option for you?

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What's really missing is the R4 angled brackets in a mod colour to complement the short left shift. I won't ever get full italian support, let alone the 142 layout, on NorDeUK kit but I can live with the missing keys.

[Prelim]

honestly I think people who presumably would buy the Norde kits, will buy it either if is cost less $10 or more $10. So I think a regular Nordeuk++ addon (like the one previously run by @RETURNISO and which cover more languages) would be a better choice for everyone and also can contribute to have more interesteds from the different countries.

but then, if most of the people have a different opinion please go ahead with the shorter Nordeuk addon!

[S3LQ]

since we went from Nordeuk++ to normal Nordeuk to make a $10 cheaper kit (sacrificing 13 caps for the remaining languages support), I no longer have interest on this. sorry!

Would this be a better option for you?

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What's really missing is the R4 angled brackets in a mod colour to complement the short left shift. I won't ever get full italian support, let alone the 142 layout, on NorDeUK kit but I can live with the missing keys.

Hey! That's fixed now! Will update any time soon   :p

[S3LQ]

honestly I think people who presumably would buy the Norde kits, will buy it either if is cost less $10 or more $10. So I think a regular Nordeuk++ addon (like the one previously run by @RETURNISO and which cover more languages) would be a better choice for everyone and also can contribute to have more interesteds from the different countries.

but then, if most of the people have a different opinion please go ahead with the shorter Nordeuk addon!

You have a point! I will look more into this for sure 

[DocWavy]

Interested for sure!

[S3LQ]

Interested for sure!

Nice to hear!

[S3LQ]

We are still taking feedback! So if you got any feedback or if you just want to show interest make sure to fill out the form: https://forms.gle/WnBdnxoVCtGGyPdE6 - Everyone that fills out the form will get notified when GB goes live with an email! Thanks 

[Agilr]

Sending my support

[S3LQ]

Sending my support

Thanks! 

[depletedvespene]

A small suggestion regarding the NorDeUK kit: you may want to drop all of the sublegends on the keys. Currently the kit is quite large, and doing this will help reduce its size, since there are several keys that only differ in their tertiary legends and are otherwise duplicates. For example, the R4 <>, <>|, <>\; R1 2"@, 3#£, 4$€; etc. could all be removed if you decide to drop the sublegends. (The R4 <> can be dropped in either case, since it now exists in the base kit.)

And speaking of which, you can also drop the R4 \| in the base kit; it isn't necessary with the R4 <> around.

The kits look good otherwise, both in terms of size and compatibility.

Hey! Thanks for this, this will help us with finalizing the sets!

Actually, not dropped, but moved to the NorDeUK kit — as it stands now, neither kit has the R4 \| key, which IS needed for the English (UK) layout.

[konstantin]

Actually, not dropped, but moved to the NorDeUK kit — as it stands now, neither kit has the R4 \| key, which IS needed for the English (UK) layout.

Yep, that key does seem to be missing at the moment. Also, the R4 <> in base should be alpha-colored.

[S3LQ]

Actually, not dropped, but moved to the NorDeUK kit — as it stands now, neither kit has the R4 \| key, which IS needed for the English (UK) layout.

Yep, that key does seem to be missing at the moment. Also, the R4 <> in base should be alpha-colored.

I added new alpha colored <> in base now

[S3LQ]

A small suggestion regarding the NorDeUK kit: you may want to drop all of the sublegends on the keys. Currently the kit is quite large, and doing this will help reduce its size, since there are several keys that only differ in their tertiary legends and are otherwise duplicates. For example, the R4 <>, <>|, <>\; R1 2"@, 3#£, 4$€; etc. could all be removed if you decide to drop the sublegends. (The R4 <> can be dropped in either case, since it now exists in the base kit.)

And speaking of which, you can also drop the R4 \| in the base kit; it isn't necessary with the R4 <> around.

The kits look good otherwise, both in terms of size and compatibility.

Hey! Thanks for this, this will help us with finalizing the sets!

Actually, not dropped, but moved to the NorDeUK kit — as it stands now, neither kit has the R4 \| key, which IS needed for the English (UK) layout.

Hey! Would this be right? Added a \| for r4 now in the base

[TalkingTree]

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R1 Pipe/backslash in mod colour should also be provided. You can safely move that and the R4 angled brackets to the NorDeUK.

[trashwater]

i've been looking for a GMK set like this, great job on it too. can't wait to see it for sale!

[S3LQ]

i've been looking for a GMK set like this, great job on it too. can't wait to see it for sale!

Thanks!

[S3LQ]

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R1 Pipe/backslash in mod colour should also be provided. You can safely move that and the R4 angled brackets to the NorDeUK.

Base kit updated!

[depletedvespene]

A small suggestion regarding the NorDeUK kit: you may want to drop all of the sublegends on the keys. Currently the kit is quite large, and doing this will help reduce its size, since there are several keys that only differ in their tertiary legends and are otherwise duplicates. For example, the R4 <>, <>|, <>\; R1 2"@, 3#£, 4$€; etc. could all be removed if you decide to drop the sublegends. (The R4 <> can be dropped in either case, since it now exists in the base kit.)

And speaking of which, you can also drop the R4 \| in the base kit; it isn't necessary with the R4 <> around.

The kits look good otherwise, both in terms of size and compatibility.

Hey! Thanks for this, this will help us with finalizing the sets!

Actually, not dropped, but moved to the NorDeUK kit — as it stands now, neither kit has the R4 \| key, which IS needed for the English (UK) layout.

Hey! Would this be right? Added a \| for r4 now in the base

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Excellent. You're leaving me no room to complain!!! :D :D :D

Okay, almost no room. :D 

Those that follow are small observations, so they're all in the "consider them, but don't feel obligated to comply" category.

- NorDeUk kit: consider adding a numpad comma keycap (as is the standard in the German, Danish, Norwegian and Swedish/Finnish layouts).

- This might be just a rendering issue: The double quote characters in the '" (base kit) and 2" (NorDeUK) keys are adirectional, but in the 2"² and 2"@ in the NorDeUK kit are directional; just make sure they are all adirectional (as already are all the single quotes).

- Consider adding one more R4 1.25u key, whether it's a convex blank in the space bar module or a "Menu" or (better) "Sys", "Meta" or "Super" key in the base kit. Why? Future-proofing!

The HMKB group buy, which just closed, has (among other options) a TKL layouts where the 6.25U space bar is split in the usual manner (2.25+1.25+2.75), which requires eight 1.25U keys in the bottom row instead of the usual seven all keycap sets provide. As far as I know, Maarten's Eon87 PCB is the first one to do so, but if this innovation does become popular, "shortages" will become an issue; in sets with common colors (think U9+L9 or Wob), this will be easily solved, but in sets with custom colors, it might be quite more of a problem.


When does the GB start? My wallet is crying here. :thumb:

[konstantin]

Actually, not dropped, but moved to the NorDeUK kit — as it stands now, neither kit has the R4 \| key, which IS needed for the English (UK) layout.

Hey! Would this be right? Added a \| for r4 now in the base

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Sorry, but this is not quite right. The mod-colored R4 <> key should be removed (it's an alpha key). The R4 \| key should be moved from base to the international kit, where all of the other ISO-UK keys are.

In summary, the base kit should contain alpha R3 \| and alpha R4 <> only; the international kit should contain alpha R4 \| and everything else it already does.

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[konstantin]

- Consider adding one more R4 1.25u key, whether it's a convex blank in the space bar module or a "Menu" or (better) "Sys", "Meta" or "Super" key in the base kit. Why? Future-proofing!

The HMKB group buy, which just closed, has (among other options) a TKL layouts where the 6.25U space bar is split in the usual manner (2.25+1.25+2.75), which requires eight 1.25U keys in the bottom row instead of the usual seven all keycap sets provide. As far as I know, Maarten's Eon87 PCB is the first one to do so, but if this innovation does become popular, "shortages" will become an issue; in sets with common colors (think U9+L9 or Wob), this will be easily solved, but in sets with custom colors, it might be quite more of a problem.

I don't think that's the right approach. You cover this by adding a 1.25u space key to the spacebars kit (which the OP should do), not adding more 1.25u keys to the base kit.

[S3LQ]

Actually, not dropped, but moved to the NorDeUK kit — as it stands now, neither kit has the R4 \| key, which IS needed for the English (UK) layout.

Hey! Would this be right? Added a \| for r4 now in the base

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Sorry, but this is not quite right. The mod-colored R4 <> key should be removed (it's an alpha key). The R4 \| key should be moved from base to the international kit, where all of the other ISO-UK keys are.

In summary, the base kit should contain alpha R3 \| and alpha R4 <> only; the international kit should contain alpha R4 \| and everything else it already does.

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Alright, thanks! Will fix straight away

[depletedvespene]

- Consider adding one more R4 1.25u key, whether it's a convex blank in the space bar module or a "Menu" or (better) "Sys", "Meta" or "Super" key in the base kit. Why? Future-proofing!

The HMKB group buy, which just closed, has (among other options) a TKL layouts where the 6.25U space bar is split in the usual manner (2.25+1.25+2.75), which requires eight 1.25U keys in the bottom row instead of the usual seven all keycap sets provide. As far as I know, Maarten's Eon87 PCB is the first one to do so, but if this innovation does become popular, "shortages" will become an issue; in sets with common colors (think U9+L9 or Wob), this will be easily solved, but in sets with custom colors, it might be quite more of a problem.

I don't think that's the right approach. You cover this by adding a 1.25u space key to the spacebars kit (which the OP should do), not adding more 1.25u keys to the base kit.

That's why I said "whether it's a convex blank in the space bar module" first.

[S3LQ]

Actually, not dropped, but moved to the NorDeUK kit — as it stands now, neither kit has the R4 \| key, which IS needed for the English (UK) layout.

Hey! Would this be right? Added a \| for r4 now in the base

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Sorry, but this is not quite right. The mod-colored R4 <> key should be removed (it's an alpha key). The R4 \| key should be moved from base to the international kit, where all of the other ISO-UK keys are.

In summary, the base kit should contain alpha R3 \| and alpha R4 <> only; the international kit should contain alpha R4 \| and everything else it already does.

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Updated base and inter kit on the post now!

[konstantin]

Updated base and inter kit on the post now!

You may want to double-check the NordeUK kit image, it still isn't showing a R4 \| for me.

That's why I said "whether it's a convex blank in the space bar module" first.

All good I felt it would be worth emphasizing the spacebars kit part.

[depletedvespene]

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Updated base and inter kit on the post now!
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Now you have R4 <> in both kits.

[konstantin]

Now you have R4 <> in both kits.

Ah, he possibly added a R4 <> instead of R4 \|, that would explain why I'm not seeing a R4 \| in NorDeUK. Should be easy enough to fix, just change the <> to \|.

[S3LQ]

Updated base and inter kit on the post now!

You may want to double-check the NordeUK kit image, it still isn't showing a R4 \| for me.

I added the <> instead of \|, silly me