[IC]GMK Dolch (Icon Mod+AddON) PLUS x-CMYW

[kekkon]

Hi guys,

GMK Dolch (by Ivan  )) has always been my favourite keycaps for the last few years since I get my hand on them.

However, the Ivan's version lacking something to make it perfect.(my own opinion) 

1. Lack of 1800 support (My LZ-CP need this )
2. F,J with Homing Bar
3. HHKB Support
4. WIN key with ICON on it.

I also think that a numpad kits might be useful for those who want an additional sets for their custom/oem numpad (TGR Tris, Duck Pad, Filco to name a few) or those who just want a numpad kits. 

I am planning to run this on January if there are enough demand.

The Final version of the mockup will be as below :-
Dolch AddON

Dolch Base

Dolch Color Kits

[smittysteve]

My Dolch set arrived this week and it's gorgeous! The only thing better would be if I could put it on an HHKB or 1800 layout. Yes please!!

[KyleZhuang]

 

[oatmicro]

How about Base set with Icons Modifier like Sky Dolch reborn?

Ivan did it great no doubt about that, would like to see it relunch again. 

[calavera]

I think having a pair of 2.25x (left shift) shift keys would be nice for 660 owners.

[shower_king]

support you 

[hillmu]

yes，1800kit is mustbuy for dolch。GOon please

[diiiP]

Interested

Additional idea:
How about an all black (N9) Numpad Kit?
Since I started to build a RS96 I always thougt that an Numpad in the color of the mods would look nice.


Opinions?

[yicaoyimu]

I will be in for two addon kits.

[romevi]

I think having a pair of 2.25x (left shift) shift keys would be nice for 660 owners.

That's a good idea. Not too many of those.

I think Ivan's is definitely the best Dolch set out there. I'm still hunting one and would gladly want to get one of these compatible kits.

[geniekid]

I will be in for two addon kits.

Me too.

[elton5354]

I will be in for 2 add-on kits if it supports 75%.

[omgar]

Definitely interested in 1800 kit.

[need]

how about having a 6.25u spacebar as an add on?
The demand for those is huge.

[Giorgio]

I'd replace "alt gr" with "alt"

[romevi]

I'd replace "Alt" replacing "Alt Gr" with "Alt Gr."

[Giorgio]

I'd replace "Alt" replacing "Alt Gr" with "Alt Gr."

Gr oss.

I'm an ISO user, and I hate alt gr.

[romevi]

I'd replace "Alt" replacing "Alt Gr" with "Alt Gr."

Gr oss.

I'm an ISO user, and I hate alt gr.

Gr oss.

I'm an ANSI user, and I love Alt Gr.

[TalkingTree]

I'd advise putting two Alt and one Alt Gr but these two gentlemen are fun.

[menuhin]

In.

GMK Dolch is a must-have set for me.

[beamingrobot]

i'm in!

[gandroider]

For 1800 set, I'll join.

And please make it quick ... LOL

[LDobler]

I would be in for a 6u Spacebar 

[onmybikedrunk]

I can't stay away from anything Dolch. I'd be down for sure.  Maybe even 2...

[wholypantalones]

Based on the feedbacks, added a very basic Dolch Base sets to the IC.

Base set with 1800 support, count me in for sho.

[kekkon]

I will be in for 2 add-on kits if it supports 75%.

I think the current keys should be more than enough to support 75%, I am not sure if it worth on adding dedicated 75% keys since this is a small set.

I think having a pair of 2.25x (left shift) shift keys would be nice for 660 owners.

I think those who got Dolch may have 1 2.25u Shift already, this AddON kits will complete the 660 layout for them. 

How about Base set with Icons Modifier like Sky Dolch reborn?

Ivan did it great no doubt about that, would like to see it relunch again. 

Added a very basic base set, but with so much GMK Keysets floating around next year, I am not sure if this set can make it ways.

[Giorgio]

Please do a GB with a complete set  )

[oatmicro]

Added a very basic base set, but with so much GMK Keysets floating around next year, I am not sure if this set can make it ways.

Thank you! but the real intent about adding base set is for making those add-on can hit the MOQ easier with the condition that every kits need to hit MOQ together.

More dolch owners - more chance that people would join to the add-on kits.

add-on kits always failed to hit the MOQ because most of pre-owners already put their keyset on a keyboard and they doesn't care about it anymore.

I thought we need some new dolch-owners to make this happen.   

 

[Dreamre]

I still think 75% support is pretty vital! All of the newer GMK sets have this support. It's equally as popular as 1800 support.

[geniekid]

We also need R3 Control for HHKB support!

[Giorgio]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

[hervuli]

interested for homing bars and 1800 support!

[onmybikedrunk]

I'm really excited you added a base set!  Especially since I have every version of Dolch except Ivan's.  The funny part about that is Icon Mods are my fav.  I actually just bought a basic set of the xFrontier run... I'm gonna be in Dolch overload.

[jchan94]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

[Giorgio]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

Please stop.

[romevi]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

Please stop.

Giorgio, why do you ask so many people to do this yet, when people ask you to do it, you say there's no way?

[jchan94]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

Please stop.

Giorgio, why do you ask so many people to do this yet, when people ask you to do it, you say there's no way?

I don't think that's fair if you to say Giorgio. As romevi said, you ask others to include it, yet don't take the initiative to do it yourself.

I think my question is pretty fair with the moqs. You know iso has an issue with meeting it as is mate.

In any case, I'll drop it. Hope you find what you're looking for.

[Giorgio]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

Please stop.

Giorgio, why do you ask so many people to do this yet, when people ask you to do it, you say there's no way?

I don't think that's fair if you to say Giorgio. As romevi said, you ask others to include it, yet don't take the initiative to do it yourself.

I think my question is pretty fair with the moqs. You know iso has an issue with meeting it as is mate.

In any case, I'll drop it. Hope you find what you're looking for.

Non sequitur.

[pomk]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

Please stop.

Giorgio, why do you ask so many people to do this yet, when people ask you to do it, you say there's no way?

I don't think that's fair if you to say Giorgio. As romevi said, you ask others to include it, yet don't take the initiative to do it yourself.

I think my question is pretty fair with the moqs. You know iso has an issue with meeting it as is mate.

In any case, I'll drop it. Hope you find what you're looking for.

Sorry to butt in, but if you wish to talk about numbers, instead of opinions, the 150 MOQ question should either be had for all of the keys in the kit or for none. For example the WKL bottom row is hardly more popular than ISO, and yet you seem to feel that it is perfectly OK for it to be present in any kit. It has been a while since the last GB that made a clear-ish separation for WKL buyers. The latest one being the still ongoing dasher/dancer, and in that one currently ISO has 54 kits sold, while 7U spacebar has been bought by 87. The spacebar set has also an extra 6.25U spacebar, and thus some correction should be added to the 87 spacebar kits sold as some people are buying them just to get the space in mod colour instead of the standard alpha colour. Both (ISO UK and WKL bottom row) have realistically under 10% of people behind them, so unless this set sells more than 1500 units, both should be removed "as they would not reach MOQ on their own".

Of course the OP can just have whatever keys he likes to have in a set, I'm not denying that and the driving factor should always be the GB leaders vision. Just don't mix numbers with personal need and feelings, thanks!

[jchan94]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

Please stop.

Giorgio, why do you ask so many people to do this yet, when people ask you to do it, you say there's no way?

I don't think that's fair if you to say Giorgio. As romevi said, you ask others to include it, yet don't take the initiative to do it yourself.

I think my question is pretty fair with the moqs. You know iso has an issue with meeting it as is mate.

In any case, I'll drop it. Hope you find what you're looking for.

Sorry to butt in, but if you wish to talk about numbers, instead of opinions, the 150 MOQ question should either be had for all of the keys in the kit or for none. For example the WKL bottom row is hardly more popular than ISO, and yet you seem to feel that it is perfectly OK for it to be present in any kit. It has been a while since the last GB that made a clear-ish separation for WKL buyers. The latest one being the still ongoing dasher/dancer, and in that one currently ISO has 54 kits sold, while 7U spacebar has been bought by 87. The spacebar set has also an extra 6.25U spacebar, and thus some correction should be added to the 87 spacebar kits sold as some people are buying them just to get the space in mod colour instead of the standard alpha colour. Both (ISO UK and WKL bottom row) have realistically under 10% of people behind them, so unless this set sells more than 1500 units, both should be removed "as they would not reach MOQ on their own".

Of course the OP can just have whatever keys he likes to have in a set, I'm not denying that and the driving factor should always be the GB leaders vision. Just don't mix numbers with personal need and feelings, thanks!

Great analysis and perspective. I have seen those numbers, and you are very correct. However, I recommend you see the numbers after the China GB has submitted their numbers. WKL is very popular in China, and are used in a chunk of customs (TKL WKL for example), and more.

But other than that, you do drive one very compelling argument and I can't help but to agree, if we didn't have numbers for other sets such as: Jukebox and Godspeed. You can refer to "TSAFOX" and "NONSTANDARD" for these kits.

In any case, I hope everyone can get the keys they want .

GODSPEED



Jukebox

[pomk]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

Please stop.

Giorgio, why do you ask so many people to do this yet, when people ask you to do it, you say there's no way?

I don't think that's fair if you to say Giorgio. As romevi said, you ask others to include it, yet don't take the initiative to do it yourself.

I think my question is pretty fair with the moqs. You know iso has an issue with meeting it as is mate.

In any case, I'll drop it. Hope you find what you're looking for.

Sorry to butt in, but if you wish to talk about numbers, instead of opinions, the 150 MOQ question should either be had for all of the keys in the kit or for none. For example the WKL bottom row is hardly more popular than ISO, and yet you seem to feel that it is perfectly OK for it to be present in any kit. It has been a while since the last GB that made a clear-ish separation for WKL buyers. The latest one being the still ongoing dasher/dancer, and in that one currently ISO has 54 kits sold, while 7U spacebar has been bought by 87. The spacebar set has also an extra 6.25U spacebar, and thus some correction should be added to the 87 spacebar kits sold as some people are buying them just to get the space in mod colour instead of the standard alpha colour. Both (ISO UK and WKL bottom row) have realistically under 10% of people behind them, so unless this set sells more than 1500 units, both should be removed "as they would not reach MOQ on their own".

Of course the OP can just have whatever keys he likes to have in a set, I'm not denying that and the driving factor should always be the GB leaders vision. Just don't mix numbers with personal need and feelings, thanks!

Great analysis and perspective. I have seen those numbers, and you are very correct. However, I recommend you see the numbers after the China GB has submitted their numbers. WKL is very popular in China, and are used in a chunk of customs (TKL WKL for example), and more.

But other than that, you do drive one very compelling argument and I can't help but to agree, if we didn't have numbers for other sets such as: Jukebox and Godspeed. You can refer to "TSAFOX" and "NONSTANDARD" for these kits.

In any case, I hope everyone can get the keys they want .

GODSPEED

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Jukebox

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The kits you mention have the 7U space integrated in them, making the differentiation between WKL bottom row and the rest op the adapter keys, namely the popular short right shift and stepped capslock, impossible. By that logic if the ISO enter would be introduced in the base modifiers kit it would be hugely popular key to have, no? If you check the Dasher/Dancer ratio of adapter kits and 7U spacebars bought and use that ratio on the godspeed adapter kit, you will see that the combined UK+Norde beat the 7U spacebar option in popularity. Same applies for Jukebox. Of course in those buys more people might have bought the adapter kits for the 7U space than is the case in Dasher/Dancer (as no one knows, because of how they are bundled together), but I don't think that the difference is of the magnitude you think.

FYI, ISO is very popular in Europe. 

[soilheart]

Great analysis and perspective. I have seen those numbers, and you are very correct. However, I recommend you see the numbers after the China GB has submitted their numbers. WKL is very popular in China, and are used in a chunk of customs (TKL WKL for example), and more.

But other than that, you do drive one very compelling argument and I can't help but to agree, if we didn't have numbers for other sets such as: Jukebox and Godspeed. You can refer to "TSAFOX" and "NONSTANDARD" for these kits.

In any case, I hope everyone can get the keys they want .

GODSPEED

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Jukebox

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Well, take a look at Overcast then, with a minimal ISO kit and a 7u spacebar kit the only way to get a 7u spacebar:



I know 44 ISO kits aren't that many compared to 720 total kits, but 20 7u spacebars are even less.

*shrug*

I would also love to see basic ISO compatibility for this as an icon only Dolch is one of my dream sets and I'm currently using only ISO keyboards. But that's my personal preference, and if it's not added then I simply won't buy the set, simple as that.

EDIT: Just to clarify. I can agree that Giorgio can be a little argumentative and provocative sometimes, but I can't see the issue with his comments in this thread. So far he's only asked for including a few more keys to be added to the sets, and mentioned that combining kits can make a better deal than keeping them separate, and the response is "well create your own GB then!". Kinda going overboard don'tcha think?

[Giorgio]

Great analysis and perspective. I have seen those numbers, and you are very correct. However, I recommend you see the numbers after the China GB has submitted their numbers. WKL is very popular in China, and are used in a chunk of customs (TKL WKL for example), and more.

But other than that, you do drive one very compelling argument and I can't help but to agree, if we didn't have numbers for other sets such as: Jukebox and Godspeed. You can refer to "TSAFOX" and "NONSTANDARD" for these kits.

In any case, I hope everyone can get the keys they want .

GODSPEED

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Jukebox

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Well, take a look at Overcast then, with a minimal ISO kit and a 7u spacebar kit the only way to get a 7u spacebar:

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I know 44 ISO kits aren't that many compared to 720 total kits, but 20 7u spacebars are even less.

*shrug*

I would also love to see basic ISO compatibility for this as an icon only Dolch is one of my dream sets and I'm currently using only ISO keyboards. But that's my personal preference, and if it's not added then I simply won't buy the set, simple as that.

EDIT: Just to clarify. I can agree that Giorgio can be a little argumentative and provocative sometimes, but I can't see the issue with his comments in this thread. So far he's only asked for including a few more keys to be added to the sets, and mentioned that combining kits can make a better deal than keeping them separate, and the response is "well create your own GB then!". Kinda going overboard don'tcha think?

This is a clear and logic post.

They're telling you to make your own gb in 3, 2, 1....

[Mr_BeastQuake]

Good idea for an add on kit. I wait for Miami Night as well, I heart N9 alphas.

Is this post going to go the route of the Honeywell GB post? Maybe a new plan of attack is needed, I think the current one is mildly disrespectful.

[romevi]

Great analysis and perspective. I have seen those numbers, and you are very correct. However, I recommend you see the numbers after the China GB has submitted their numbers. WKL is very popular in China, and are used in a chunk of customs (TKL WKL for example), and more.

But other than that, you do drive one very compelling argument and I can't help but to agree, if we didn't have numbers for other sets such as: Jukebox and Godspeed. You can refer to "TSAFOX" and "NONSTANDARD" for these kits.

In any case, I hope everyone can get the keys they want .

GODSPEED

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Jukebox

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Well, take a look at Overcast then, with a minimal ISO kit and a 7u spacebar kit the only way to get a 7u spacebar:

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I know 44 ISO kits aren't that many compared to 720 total kits, but 20 7u spacebars are even less.

*shrug*

I would also love to see basic ISO compatibility for this as an icon only Dolch is one of my dream sets and I'm currently using only ISO keyboards. But that's my personal preference, and if it's not added then I simply won't buy the set, simple as that.

EDIT: Just to clarify. I can agree that Giorgio can be a little argumentative and provocative sometimes, but I can't see the issue with his comments in this thread. So far he's only asked for including a few more keys to be added to the sets, and mentioned that combining kits can make a better deal than keeping them separate, and the response is "well create your own GB then!". Kinda going overboard don'tcha think?

This is a clear and logic post.

They're telling you to make your own gb in 3, 2, 1....

Nah, just that you actually join the GBs you tout these kits for, which would help increase the number of sales and make these kits actually worthwhile to add in future sets.

[duynguyenle]

It has occured to me that true 1800 layout Dolch is only possible by scavenging old Dolch Pacs, so this mini kits is a great idea. I'd be in for one to augment my set from Ivan's GB.

Shameless self-promotion: My Tada68 with ISO-UK caps


Having 65/75% compatible caps would be nice (i.e. the right hand column), but I guess not absolutely essential.

[kekkon]

Thanks for all the input.

I have made some quick adjustment to the Base and the Add On Kits, I hope this will cover most of the popular key caps set by now.

What''s your guys opinion on the 1.75u Shift and 1u FN in the Add On Kits, IMO maybe there are some demands on it if their Dolch is harvest from OLD Dolch key caps and wanted a new one, but if those who bought Ivan's or maybe this ICON Dolch, it will be redundant.

[oatmicro]

i'm not sure but I think the control keys on row 4 in base set should be "ctrl" instead of "control" but I guess this just a temporary mockup.

about ISO issue, it always happen to keyset group buy.

In terms of the GB/IC leaders opinion, they need to make it cheapest for ANSI users as they're the majority users.
 
GB leaders always tried to reduce everything that majority users didn't need, and ISO keys is one of those thing.

ISO users(Minority ) - Why you guys can't pay a little bit more for us.

ANSI users(Majority) - Why do we have to pay for something that we never use.

if ISO users are 20% of group buy, 120 people have to pay at least $5 for the keys that they never use.

that's how you waste $600 for the useless keycaps.

but when you're talking about Winkeyless kit, everyone have a chance to use it.

everyone have a chance to get a Winkeyless keyboard, might be not now but in the future... no one know.

but there's no way that ANSI users gonna have any chance to use ISO keys.

are you fine with a keycap set without WKL kit aren't you?

if you have a keycap set without WKL kit when you got a WKL keyboard, your whole set is useless.

in terms of ISO users you can adapt, because there's no ISO-Only custom keyboard if I remember correctly.

[pomk]

i'm not sure but I think the control keys on row 4 in base set should be "ctrl" instead of "control" but I guess this just a temporary mockup.

about ISO issue, it always happen to keyset group buy.

In terms of the GB/IC leaders opinion, they need to make it cheapest for ANSI users as they're the majority users.
 
GB leaders always tried to reduce everything that majority users didn't need, and ISO keys is one of those thing.

ISO users(Minority ) - Why you guys can't pay a little bit more for us.

ANSI users(Majority) - Why do we have to pay for something that we never use.

if ISO users are 20% of group buy, 120 people have to pay at least $5 for the keys that they never use.

that's how you waste $600 for the useless keycaps.

but when you're talking about Winkeyless kit, everyone have a chance to use it.

everyone have a chance to get a Winkeyless keyboard, might be not now but in the future... no one know.

but there's no way that ANSI users gonna have any chance to use ISO keys.

are you fine with a keycap set without WKL kit aren't you?

if you have a keycap set without WKL kit when you got a WKL keyboard, your whole set is useless.

in terms of ISO users you can adapt, because there's no ISO-Only custom keyboard if I remember correctly.

Some people adapt from ansi to ISO as well. You can ask Ideus for details. No one knows whether you are the next convert ... You can also adapt from WKL to standard bottom row, just don't buy a board that does require it  )
As for adapting from ISO to ansi, it is difficult as not one of my co-workers are familiar with it and we sometimes have to do work on each others workstations. Also if I want to write text in my native language and need to use certain special characters in the midst, I need to change the locale settings before and after typing them as well as remembering where to find them in the US-ansi layout.

I get it that you don't like ISO and that is fine, just don't try to argue with numbers that are not in your favour. The same amount of, or even more, people want/need/see themselves using the ISO keys than WKL bottom row. Based on the SP kit sales on Massdrop as discussed above.

p.s. I'm all for inclusion, better to have more options than less as I feel that it makes it easier to reach MOQ in many cases.

[oatmicro]

I get it that you don't like ISO and that is fine, just don't try to argue with numbers that are not in your favour. The same amount of, or even more, people want/need/see themselves using the ISO keys than WKL bottom row. Based on the SP kit sales on Massdrop as discussed above.

I don't hate or don't like ISO to be honest, but sometime they have to understand that we can't add ISO keys for them every single time when keycap sets were made.

if it was a Complete keycap set you guys really deserve it no doubt about that.

but in the small add-on kits or budget keycap sets every penny that higher meant a lot to how interesting they are.

I just hope you guys understand why they always cut it off.