Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.
Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGEJG8s.jpg)
I agree, the v1 logo was far better looking. Will the sata connection be changed?Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.
Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGEJG8s.jpg)
Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk
The logo is pretty much the only thing that is different anyways. the tenting is also, but who will actually use that?
Why are you still using SATA between the halves?
Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.Could you elaborate on how/why a SATA connection has latency issues? I find this interesting and would like to know if this is something that is a hardware limitation or a firmware issue etc.
Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.
Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGEJG8s.jpg)
USB connectors are usually created to just make more money. For instance micro isn't at all better than mini, but it was made to milk more money out of people. C I think is pretty innovative however. I think people dislike it because the insertion rating for SATA is really low, but TBH I had three VEA'S and only took the cable out if I was shipping it (which only happened when I was selling it)
The fact that they already made protoypes of this also tells me that they will not change it from SATA to anything else no matter how often people ask because it will still sell out, and it would cost them more money to do so.
It's all pointless arguments which we like to have on this website anyways..
Personally I like having a handful of USB C Cables around that I can use to connect everything. Having only one use for a SATA connector isnt super compelling. Additionally just because you never move or unplug your VE.A doesn't mean everyone does the same. There are many use cases and IMO the number of people bringing up the SATA cable should indicate that many others have issues with the cable for various reasons.
Why all the hate on SATA? With the exception of Flash who types over 100 WPM and claims that SATA is the reason why he can't type faster, I have not read a legit reason not to use it. There may be good reasons but haven't seen one yet.
How is lag over 100 WPM (a fairly average speed I'd imagine, nowadays) not a big enough problem to warrant a work around by itself? Pretty condescending argument to make honestly, it's horribly frustrating and entirely valid. Furthermore, universal connectors are never a bad thing - plus, as you said yourself, being able to put it in either side up is a bigger quality of life matter than a lot of people seem to realise.
SATA is a colossal mistake here even if they manage to fix the lag via firmware or whatever else. $500+ for a keyboard, only reason not to improve upon obvious flaws is laziness or disinterest and neither of those are sentiments I want to support despite how much I love the original board and its design.
PS: plenty of cable makers within the hobby make USB-C cables nowadays so that argument is moot point.
Anyhow, how do you know it is the SATA cable that is causing the lag and replacing the SATA connector to something else will fix it? Why do you think using USB-C will eliminate the lag that you experience?
PS: plenty of cable makers within the hobby make USB-C cables nowadays so that argument is moot point.
I personally don't know enough about the matter to be able to answer this but it's widely accepted as fact from the other owners I've spoken to who know a lot more than I do - surely someone can chime in considering the amount comments that have already been made against.
I didn't really argue that you can't or shouldn't get a custom USB-C. In fact I was arguing the opposite with armpit that the cable for VE.A should be custom length but he has a requirement that he wants to use one of his handful of 6 feet long USB-C cables for the keyboard.
Resorting to name calling so soon? Tsk tsk
In regards to my "requirement" I'm simply stating that USB C cables are becoming more and more common. It's less that I have to be able to use one of my existing cables and more that I can. How many times have you been unable to use something because you either lost or forgot to pack the cable? If you answer never then I'd count you among the few rather than the majority. Who has spare SATA cables lying around as opposed to USB C? You yourself claim that while you only have a couple of USB Devices, you already have 2 cables available.
Have 2 VE.As, and have experienced none of the supposed issues with lag from the connector at higher wpms. This is actually the first I've heard of it.
I think the new logo is fine; SATA is fine too if that's what you choose to go with. :thumb:
Have 2 VE.As, and have experienced none of the supposed issues with lag from the connector at higher wpms. This is actually the first I've heard of it.
I think the new logo is fine; SATA is fine too if that's what you choose to go with. :thumb:
I'm glad there's people like this that can give their own opinions based on their own used instead of all the people that watched 1 youtube review and decide the board is trash because of the connector.
Thank you.
I've used a VE.A extensively too and the keystroke lag was fairly noticeable, though I do type abnormally fast I still think it's something they should work on - as said I don't know if it's a physical limitation with the type of cable used, I'm not an electrician and I definitely know very little about the subject, maybe it's their implementation of it rather than a problem with the connection; regardless, even if it is an on and off problem, or only a problem for some, I still think it should be addressed especially given the fact that USB-C is becoming so prevalent and is so handy. Or just go with TRRS, we know that one works just fine.
The keyboard is not using the SATA protocol and would not use USB protocol if the SATA connectors are replaced with any kind USB connectors.
...
Someone might ask, "why can't I use the right half of the keyboard when I plug in a USB-C cable to it and connect it to my PC? It is a USB connector so it should work. Trash!"
I didn't really argue that you can't or shouldn't get a custom USB-C. In fact I was arguing the opposite with armpit that the cable for VE.A should be custom length but he has a requirement that he wants to use one of his handful of 6 feet long USB-C cables for the keyboard.
Resorting to name calling so soon? Tsk tsk
By that same logic someone might plug the VE.A into their motherboard and ask why it doesn't work. :rolleyes:
You mean electrical engineer, not electrician.
the lag may be something to do with the firmware design, or your cable, or your computer's OS, USB driver, USB controller, USB hub, USB cable, or other USB devices you have on your computer. There has been no prove that SATA is the cause of the lag you have experienced non any prove that USB-C connectors would fix it. The SATA cable there is just for wiring up the two halves of the keyboard. The keyboard is not using the SATA protocol and would not use USB protocol if the SATA connectors are replaced with any kind USB connectors.
However using USB-C connectors would introduce a usability problem. On the left half there would be one mini USB connector and one USB-C connector, and another USB-C connector of the right half. Someone might ask, "why can't I use the right half of the keyboard when I plug in a USB-C cable to it and connect it to my PC? It is a USB connector so it should work. Trash!"
Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.
Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGEJG8s.jpg)
Hi LightningXI, can you prove it by youtube?
I'd be willing to show something on video, but I actually have sold my own VE.A. some time ago. I've asked the buyer for help and see if it's possible to prove it on video. I apologize for that inconvenience.Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.
Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGEJG8s.jpg)
Hi LightningXI, can you prove it by youtube?
Because we've never experienced that issue before.
If you prove it on video,
After watching the operation status of the keyboard, RGB, LED, etc. of the video, We are trying to consider a lot of things.
Hi LightningXI, can you prove it by youtube?
After the gigantic ****storm which took over this thread, I really hope someone attempts this and posts their results. We have clearly gotten the runner's attention, and destroyed his IC, lets at least follow up with the proof they are requesting...
And if anyone is going to post a video proving this, please also test if the debounce fix posted by Vigrith works or not. If it does, then this entire lag argument is moot....
+1 for no SATA.
I actually don't mind the new logo and badge.
In personal opinion.
about the 'latency issue' is a suspected situation of low power.
[...]
If you plug the KBD (full LED, full RGB status) into a hub that low (or None) power, KBD controller may be out of power and cause abnormalities.
In personal opinion.
about the 'latency issue' is a suspected situation of low power.
[...]
If you plug the KBD (full LED, full RGB status) into a hub that low (or None) power, KBD controller may be out of power and cause abnormalities.
Had it plugged directly into a USB port (tested both 2.0 and 3.0, both type a) all LEDs off, still had lag. :thumb:
The lag has nothing to do with sata but with the implementation of VUSB that BMC uses, as well as suboptimal i2c connection between the halves. There still was very noticeable input latency on the master half.
I don't get it tbh, how did this work during design? "Let's pick a controller whose main purpose is talking to the PC via USB, oh yea this one that has no native USB support makes way more sense than the ones that do offer that functionality" :))
I'm in, provided that SATA is replaced with USB. I don't believe the cable is responsible for the lag, obviously, it's just a couple piece of wire, but sata ports are incredibly flimsy.
I'm in, provided that SATA is replaced with USB. I don't believe the cable is responsible for the lag, obviously, it's just a couple piece of wire, but sata ports are incredibly flimsy.
I think it's clear from this thread that the IC starter is not very motivated to change the SATA connector to USB.
I like retro computing as much as most people here, but this dedication to SATA of all things is just something else.
Also, I saw the logo update, and I still find it extremely cringey. Do people really enjoy seeing all those visible holes on their expensive keyboards? Paging r/trypophobiaShow Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=98324.0;attach=207817;image)
This is by far the worst R2 I've ever seen. All the complaints from R1 were ignored, with extra new stuffs that nobody asked for or wanted.
I have 3 VE.As from R1, and I've had 2 SATA cables fail on me (with a 3rd starting to give issues).
SATA cables are typically solid core wire and not meant to be moved around or bent too much.
At least it's the cable which fails and not the plug on the PCB.
What makes this better than R1?
I'm struggling to find anything which would make me consider getting one, and that's a shame because Korean ergos are my "thing".
..... I'm not sure what you mean.;;
Why don't we just use the old-school ipod charger cable to connect the halves?
I'm in, provided that SATA is replaced with USB. I don't believe the cable is responsible for the lag, obviously, it's just a couple piece of wire, but sata ports are incredibly flimsy.
I think it's clear from this thread that the IC starter is not very motivated to change the SATA connector to USB.
I like retro computing as much as most people here, but this dedication to SATA of all things is just something else.
Also, I saw the logo update, and I still find it extremely cringey. Do people really enjoy seeing all those visible holes on their expensive keyboards? Paging r/trypophobiaShow Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=98324.0;attach=207817;image)
This is by far the worst R2 I've ever seen. All the complaints from R1 were ignored, with extra new stuffs that nobody asked for or wanted.
Then don't buy it, simple as that. Let your wallet do your talking for you.
He's not going to have any problems selling the ones he does though.
Then don't buy it, simple as that. Let your wallet do your talking for you.
He's not going to have any problems selling the ones he does though.
So you're saying we should ONLY say positive things in IC threads? Are you so against criticism?
Can't you stop thinking in black and white and understand that I'm posting here because I really want to get a VE.A ever since OP teased R2 on the VE.A thread since last year or so?
I'm just seriously annoyed at how there is seemingly zero worthy improvement to this kit after all this time, and now some people are dismissing criticism as 'fake news' of all things. Ugh.
I'm just seriously annoyed at how there is seemingly zero worthy improvement to this kit after all this time, and now some people are dismissing criticism as 'fake news' of all things. Ugh.
can we please get 4 handed Goro from mortal kombat to test the theoretical "lag" that apparently is produced when typing 200wmp on VE.A v1
I'm just seriously annoyed at how there is seemingly zero worthy improvement to this kit after all this time, and now some people are dismissing criticism as 'fake news' of all things. Ugh.
You think it is okay to repeat unsubstantiated rumor that SATA connection is causing typing lag? Or can you show prove that it is true?
can we please get 4 handed Goro from mortal kombat to test the theoretical "lag" that apparently is produced when typing 200wmp on VE.A v1
The whole thing has pretty noticable inputlag regardless of how quickly you type, easily 30ms higher than any other board I have. If you want proof, sorry I sold it because of that reason about one and a half years ago.
I'm in, provided that SATA is replaced with USB. I don't believe the cable is responsible for the lag, obviously, it's just a couple piece of wire, but sata ports are incredibly flimsy.
I think it's clear from this thread that the IC starter is not very motivated to change the SATA connector to USB.
I like retro computing as much as most people here, but this dedication to SATA of all things is just something else.
Also, I saw the logo update, and I still find it extremely cringey. Do people really enjoy seeing all those visible holes on their expensive keyboards? Paging r/trypophobiaShow Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=98324.0;attach=207817;image)
This is by far the worst R2 I've ever seen. All the complaints from R1 were ignored, with extra new stuffs that nobody asked for or wanted.
Then don't buy it, simple as that. Let your wallet do your talking for you.
He's not going to have any problems selling the ones he does though.
So you're saying we should ONLY say positive things in IC threads? Are you so against criticism?
Can't you stop thinking in black and white and understand that I'm posting here because I really want to get a VE.A ever since OP teased R2 on the VE.A thread since last year or so?
I'm just seriously annoyed at how there is seemingly zero worthy improvement to this kit after all this time, and now some people are dismissing criticism as 'fake news' of all things. Ugh.
It is fake news until you can prove it's not. Go ahead and show all this magical proof that its the SATA cable that's causing the lag. Once you can do that, you may have a valid point.
I've already pointed out that people have experienced similar lag with other pcb's with similar firmware/hardware...and those aren't even split boards. Hell, how can we even say its the keyboard itself? Maybe the people experiencing lag are using a motherboard with a certain USB controller that has issues with the firmware? Maybe they're plugging into s USB hub that's causing lag. Maybe there's 20 other causes for the lag that haven't been considered to anyone.
You can be as negative as you want. Don't expect everyone to agree with you, and if you have such huge complaints, there's nothing stopping you from designing your own board with all the fixes you would like to see made. I'm 100% positive you'd have no problems selling these in mass if you can get everything made...Just like this seller is going to have no problem all of these ones as well.
Lets just ignore the lag thing since everyone seems to be agreed that the firmware fix seems to work. I still have yet to see any good counters to the following:
SATA connectors have a very low lifespan rating.
SATA cables are harder to find in custom sleeves.
SATA cables don't flex very well, making them harder to move and position.
Or, put another way, why should we use SATA over the myriad of other options; USB C, TRRS, Mini USB? The only real reason to use SATA here is because the first one had SATA, so we don't have to redesign the PCB. That said, it seems like there are pretty substantial things being done to the case itself, leading me to think that this is less about cost savings. Either way, we're pretty stuck in the dark unless OP wants to chime in on their preference for SATA.
I own one, I have been gaming on the ve.1 v1 for a very long time, never has it once lagged in any game or effected my performance on FPS's at all. I have never ever noticed lag with my ve.a.
build album here for proof: https://imgur.com/a/lR64b
You can be as negative as you want. Don't expect everyone to agree with you, and if you have such huge complaints, there's nothing stopping you from designing your own board with all the fixes you would like to see made. I'm 100% positive you'd have no problems selling these in mass if you can get everything made...Just like this seller is going to have no problem all of these ones as well.
Either way, we're pretty stuck in the dark unless OP wants to chime in on their preference for SATA.
I personally don't know enough about the matter to be able to answer this but it's widely accepted as fact from the other owners I've spoken to who know a lot more than I do - surely someone can chime in considering the amount comments that have already been made against.
OK. This is basically hearsay and somehow it is believed to be fact. This is how fake news come to be.
There is no prove so far that I can see any lag is due to using a SATA connection between the two halves. If it is because of the SATA connection, then it would happen only (or most of the time) on the right half and not the left half. You can use the left half of the keyboard without connecting the right half. Hitting the Q key for example doesn't require the SATA cable so there should be no lag typing on the left half.
can we please get 4 handed Goro from mortal kombat to test the theoretical "lag" that apparently is produced when typing 200wmp on VE.A v1
The whole thing has pretty noticable inputlag regardless of how quickly you type, easily 30ms higher than any other board I have. If you want proof, sorry I sold it because of that reason about one and a half years ago.
I own one, I have been gaming on the ve.1 v1 for a very long time, never has it once lagged in any game or effected my performance on FPS's at all. I have never ever noticed lag with my ve.a.
build album here for proof: https://imgur.com/a/lR64b
I don't own a VE.A, but it's clear that whatever latency issues there might be are firmware-related or due to some other components than SATA cables. Even if it were actual SATA communication (which apparently it's not anyway), even the first generation of SATA interface was able to transmit 1.5Gbit per second, which is far more information than relatively simple keyboard communication requires. It should be more of convenience and aesthetics design choice to go with something else like USB-C, but it's possible SATA connection was more convenient for the PCB and code designer(s).
I'm in, provided that SATA is replaced with USB. I don't believe the cable is responsible for the lag, obviously, it's just a couple piece of wire, but sata ports are incredibly flimsy.
I think it's clear from this thread that the IC starter is not very motivated to change the SATA connector to USB.
I like retro computing as much as most people here, but this dedication to SATA of all things is just something else.
Also, I saw the logo update, and I still find it extremely cringey. Do people really enjoy seeing all those visible holes on their expensive keyboards? Paging r/trypophobiaShow Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=98324.0;attach=207817;image)
This is by far the worst R2 I've ever seen. All the complaints from R1 were ignored, with extra new stuffs that nobody asked for or wanted.
Then don't buy it, simple as that. Let your wallet do your talking for you.
He's not going to have any problems selling the ones he does though.
So you're saying we should ONLY say positive things in IC threads? Are you so against criticism?
Can't you stop thinking in black and white and understand that I'm posting here because I really want to get a VE.A ever since OP teased R2 on the VE.A thread since last year or so?
I'm just seriously annoyed at how there is seemingly zero worthy improvement to this kit after all this time, and now some people are dismissing criticism as 'fake news' of all things. Ugh.
It is fake news until you can prove it's not. Go ahead and show all this magical proof that its the SATA cable that's causing the lag. Once you can do that, you may have a valid point.
I've already pointed out that people have experienced similar lag with other pcb's with similar firmware/hardware...and those aren't even split boards. Hell, how can we even say its the keyboard itself? Maybe the people experiencing lag are using a motherboard with a certain USB controller that has issues with the firmware? Maybe they're plugging into s USB hub that's causing lag. Maybe there's 20 other causes for the lag that haven't been considered to anyone.
You can be as negative as you want. Don't expect everyone to agree with you, and if you have such huge complaints, there's nothing stopping you from designing your own board with all the fixes you would like to see made. I'm 100% positive you'd have no problems selling these in mass if you can get everything made...Just like this seller is going to have no problem all of these ones as well.
The Chinese copied you, and they did a better job!!!!
The Chinese copied you, and they did a better job!!!!
The Chinese copied you, and it looks like crap.*
FTFY
The Chinese copied you, and they did a better job!!!!
The Chinese copied you, and it looks like crap.*
FTFY
Since we're throwing opinions around; aside from the logo, it's actually not that bad.
Just my opinion..Dude what are you talking about.
VE.A is easily identified because it have its SATA cables. it's basically it's identity.
if oddforge changes his design, the keyboard is just another '75% split' keyboard. it will lose its identity.
might be weird things to say, but yeah.
Just my opinion..Dude what are you talking about.
VE.A is easily identified because it have its SATA cables. it's basically it's identity.
if oddforge changes his design, the keyboard is just another '75% split' keyboard. it will lose its identity.
might be weird things to say, but yeah.
How many "split 75s" are there? Two? This and the acrylic Chinese version? Please, point me to another metal frame split keyboard, aside from the Dygma Raise. Anywhere.
This one is clearly higher quality, supports alps. And is actually (hopefully) going the be available (unlike, any other split custom keyboard).
How many 60s are there with barely distinguish differences? Klippe Vs TOFU?
There's also the DeltaSplit75 that uses the 3.5mm TRRS cable to connect like let's split.
But that logo and the mini-USB port is holding this back from being an end-game board.
But that logo and the mini-USB port is holding this back from being an end-game board.
How is mini-usb holding it back?
I registered on this site just to make a comment for this lol.
I've been looking forward for this (ergo/split 75% is my preference), and I also think SATA is part of what makes VE.A unique (assuming it's not the cause of possible latency).
But that logo and the mini-USB port is holding this back from being an end-game board.
I also think SATA is part of what makes VE.A unique (assuming it's not the cause of possible latency).
And on the practical side, USB-mini just aren't very commonly used, so that factors into carrying an extra cable, switching cables when switching keyboards, etc.
I registered on this site just to make a comment for this lol.
I've been looking forward for this (ergo/split 75% is my preference), and I also think SATA is part of what makes VE.A unique (assuming it's not the cause of possible latency).
But that logo and the mini-USB port is holding this back from being an end-game board.
Welcome to the rabbit hole! :)
??? Last year, all 'end game' boards were USB-micro / USB-mini.
IMO, 'end-game' is about switches, caps, board materials, THEN (important, but not the most important), aesthetics / logos, layouts, THEN, cabling, LED's.
I also think SATA is part of what makes VE.A unique (assuming it's not the cause of possible latency).And on the practical side, USB-mini just aren't very commonly used, so that factors into carrying an extra cable, switching cables when switching keyboards, etc.
Arguing FOR SATA connectors and then saying that USB-mini shouldn't be used because it "just aren't very commonly used" is crazy. USB mini is worlds above micro in terms of use and durability.
I also think SATA is part of what makes VE.A unique (assuming it's not the cause of possible latency).And on the practical side, USB-mini just aren't very commonly used, so that factors into carrying an extra cable, switching cables when switching keyboards, etc.
Arguing FOR SATA connectors and then saying that USB-mini shouldn't be used because it "just aren't very commonly used" is crazy. USB mini is worlds above micro in terms of use and durability.
It's going to be a while if and when we see anything.
Do you know this definitively? or are you just speculating?Thank you! I saw this one but I thought the price was a bit high...but I guess that seems to be the only good baseline. 750 is enough to build a decent PC lol.
I spent $700 on mine, which is actually more than I was trying to put a PC together for =P
Considering the time it was simply between the korean VeA GB and the Massdrop one, the time the IC was on here etc. It'll be a whole while.
The exception would be a R2, but he's denied it over and over
and over again :blank:
The thing is... we actually got several(hmm... yeh, tens) requests about stock or next round.
We released about 200 VE.As to geeky-mates all over the world. AND really proud of it :)
We don't care about rarity. But it's a bit old now. For a year and a half, we stuck in one model.
And VE.A is not suitable for production, SATA connector needs to be cut by BARE hands. and it's bugging me. and of course, was hard to handle.
So...
It's like chain-reaction kind of thing.
We want it to be fixed. Yeh.
That means, we need to fix cases also.
If we have to fix case, why not design a new one?
Thoughts reached here so far, still not ended. like cost, tilting, material, diffusing and so on.
And most of all, I am such a lazy bastard.
We are hoping you don't lose interests on us before we come back.
Hey, what a nice day to swim in thick smog! Damn. I got bad throat ouch.
These are personal desires/priorities. There are a lot of statements in this thread made as if they're speaking for the majority. Hope PainMaster tallies these up for themselves.
1. If there are latency issues, I'd hope they'd be addressed. I would be really surprised if this were due to the type of cable. Sounds like firmware would be more likely to blame.
2. The reliability of the SATA connector breaking is secondary, but it would be nice if this could be addressed since this is a v2.
3. Trendy materials (like Brass) don't matter if they don't fit the designer's vision for the board. I personally don't care for it on this product.
4. Seems like the "armored" theme was carried on to the logo, but I still feel that aesthetically it's a mismatch with the sleekness of the rest of the board. I'd like to see what it looks like without it since they are replaceable.
Overall, the excitement for this board is palpable. Don't let the negativity get you down PainMaster, you clearly have a product people want and will have no problem finding demand.
disappointed in the SATA cable usage.
also would have liked something different from v1. It's not particularly distinguishable imo.
I've been holding out on a v1 waiting for v2 and now i'm just feeling let down.
Hi, the SATA cable is so bad, I have to switch back to mini USB cables. Now my table is full of cable.
helpMoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/SVAXALg.jpg)
This design seems like a step backward from the first. It is still rad, but it seems "cheaper" looking compared to V1
This design seems like a step backward from the first. It is still rad, but it seems "cheaper" looking compared to V1
Definitely. I wonder how much of the bottom case is actually machined, as well?
On a positive note I do like the new cutout shape for the lighting.
That's a nice improvement over R1.
Slightly off-topic but quite related:
Only if this Ultimate Hacking keyboard has completed R&D phase for all its modules, and has two function key columns on the left like the VE.A and arrow keys on the right, and then with a sandwiched metal case construction.Show Image(https://www.crowdsupply.com/img/e94f/addon-modules-2-white-1_png_open-graph.jpg)
Since the number of wires is what's important, wouldn't CAT/ethernet cable work? It's much easier to get custom lengths for than most peripheral cables, easier to work with for custom diy (imo). Though I'm not sure if it is much more durable since it is also solid-core wire, iirc.
I personally have no issue with SATA; if you build your own PCs you have tons laying around and they're cheap as dirt, if not.
Edit: it looks like you can get CAT7 wire in stranded core, so that nixes the durability issue.
Since the number of wires is what's important, wouldn't CAT/ethernet cable work? It's much easier to get custom lengths for than most peripheral cables, easier to work with for custom diy (imo). Though I'm not sure if it is much more durable since it is also solid-core wire, iirc.
I personally have no issue with SATA; if you build your own PCs you have tons laying around and they're cheap as dirt, if not.
Edit: it looks like you can get CAT7 wire in stranded core, so that nixes the durability issue.
i offer a counterpoint
USB or TRRS
sensible common connectors you can find at a drugstore if you need one in a pinch
Since the number of wires is what's important, wouldn't CAT/ethernet cable work? It's much easier to get custom lengths for than most peripheral cables, easier to work with for custom diy (imo). Though I'm not sure if it is much more durable since it is also solid-core wire, iirc.
I personally have no issue with SATA; if you build your own PCs you have tons laying around and they're cheap as dirt, if not.
Edit: it looks like you can get CAT7 wire in stranded core, so that nixes the durability issue.
i offer a counterpoint
USB or TRRS
sensible common connectors you can find at a drugstore if you need one in a pinch
Search criteria; https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79183.msg2042517#msg2042517
I see the main reason as being cost of cable and ease of finding it at reasonable cost. 5-pin TRRS-to-TRRS isn't exactly common place and USB-to-USB isn't any cheaper than SATA (it isn't common in B&M stores anymore either).
Since the number of wires is what's important, wouldn't CAT/ethernet cable work? It's much easier to get custom lengths for than most peripheral cables, easier to work with for custom diy (imo). Though I'm not sure if it is much more durable since it is also solid-core wire, iirc.
I personally have no issue with SATA; if you build your own PCs you have tons laying around and they're cheap as dirt, if not.
Edit: it looks like you can get CAT7 wire in stranded core, so that nixes the durability issue.
i offer a counterpoint
USB or TRRS
sensible common connectors you can find at a drugstore if you need one in a pinch
Search criteria; https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79183.msg2042517#msg2042517
I see the main reason as being cost of cable and ease of finding it at reasonable cost. 5-pin TRRS-to-TRRS isn't exactly common place and USB-to-USB isn't any cheaper than SATA (it isn't common in B&M stores anymore either).
other split boards use them and they have no problems though
USB-C has 24 pins.
#bringBackTheParallelPort.
using USB or TRRS would make the VE.A look like basically every other split board ever made. BORING.
Keep SATA. #SATAdidnothingwrong
I think some people forgot this was an Interest Check and not a ****-in-this-thread kinda post :))
It would be nice to see some hard evidence of latency issues because I feel like it's a little overblown. I've used my VE.A as a daily driver at work since the initial GB without any latency issues over 100wpm. If there is any delay, it's not because of a SATA cable. Like other people have pointed out a SATA cable's throughput exceeds what is needed for sending row/column info. Oddforge has said it's not using the SATA protocol, so if any delay is present it's probably caused by firmware or how the connection is implemented. (I believe each side has a separate controller with one forwarding data to the other, which seems the more likely culprit, but I might be remembering this wrong and I don't have mine in front of me.)
I feel like the longevity of the plug is also not as big of an issue as it's being made out to be. For some people who relocate or travel with their keyboards it's probably a warranted concern. But if you aren't regularly plugging/unplugging your keyboard or manhandling the cables, you should be fine. I've taken mine to/from work dozens of times without issue, but YMMV.
I am definitely interested in getting a second VE.A as it's been one of my favorite kustoms to own and use.
Dat logo ugly tho...
Fix the latency issues and the name badge and I'm in :thumb:
Please STOP repeating unsubstantiated rumor about lag with VE.A unless you can provide reproducible steps to the VE.A team. There has been no prove the lag exists other than hearsay. Show us the prove and steps to reproduce the problem so it can be debugged and fixed.
I have one and have never noticed any lag. Though I top out at like 70/80 WPM.Could you experiment with the debounce, as others have reported, and see if that produces lag?
I have one and have never noticed any lag. Though I top out at like 70/80 WPM.Could you experiment with the debounce, as others have reported, and see if that produces lag?
I have one and have never noticed any lag. Though I top out at like 70/80 WPM.Could you experiment with the debounce, as others have reported, and see if that produces lag?
I don't know what debounce is, I don't know that I want to introduce something that would create lag though
Hi guys. Do we have a price for VE.A and when it will run?
We will try to reconsider the delay issue and sata cable replacement again.
Thanks!
Hi! Geek~~~~~!!!!!!!
I`m so glad to tell you in a long time.
I think I should give you an explanation of VE.A2
After finish GB VE.A1, we got a lot of contacts. But as you know, we can not make 10~20 sets easily.
We were worried and decided to make a second keyboard.
We are hoping that the VE.A we made will be used by many people. So we wanted to lower the price, which was too expensive.
The expected price for this VE.A2 is $320(initially I wanted $290).
I did not want to reduce the quality or components as the price went down, and I`m going to do the QC straight.
The apprearance of VE.A2 is similar now, but the part inside has changed a lot.
For example, polycarbonate to fix the comforters when using VE.A 1.
Many conversations are coming and going because of sata cable. Of course we also designed it first with usb-c.
When VE.A1 first came out, sata cable was a big issue. But now I`ve been using the VE.A prototype for the fourth year, but I`ve never felt anyting like a sata cable failure ever called a delay issue.
Also I have never heard of delayed issues with email or any other path.(I was surprised to hear about this IC for the first time)
It is a design part to keep using sata. I did not want the shape of the aluminum case to be strange because of the round shape of usb-c.
Since the sata slots are rectangular, we thought it was advantageous to connect "exectly" to VE.A.
I`m really sorry about the loge... I think it was missing details.
We thought it would be nice to have something "color" in the aluminum case.
However, in order to put the color directly on the body, there was a risk that one piece of the top board could be discarded
I wanted to be assembled in small pieces, and the complicated use of colors was because you wanted to be able to see and see the colors.
Of course, if you do not put the color like the VE.A1, you can use it as before. You can choice.
Tendin kits are included in the basic kit as well. I wanted to include a tinting kit when doing vea1, but due to the weight of the tinting kit
I had a problem with shipping too much, so I wanted to fix it in vea2.
Four pieces of tinting kits can be tilted to the left and right and can be tilted up and down. I'll take a more detailed picture of this.
There are many factors that raise prices (veins, tenting parts, color logos, etc.) than vea1.
I wanted to reduce the price from $ 420 to $ 320. Many people wanted to use it.
We know that users who use vea1 do not have a lot of special elements to buy vea2.
We talk again, but we have a job and do not want to make money on the keyboard.
But I do not want to make things out of quality or problems. I hope you like VE.A.
We will try to reconsider the delay issue and sata cable replacement again.
Thanks!
In fact,
the biggest change point of VEA2 is
that It's a bottom part design & a lower price than VEA 1st.
(I was talking to ildustry about the price just 5 mins ago.)
I've always wanted to talking about this,
but, I couldn't because of the circumstances.
to my feeling
don't need any more sound absorbing material.
(I can't find a way to explain how enjoyable that point.)
And, nobody mentioned it, so I'm disappointing.
In fact,
the biggest change point of VEA2 is
that It's a bottom part design & a lower price than VEA 1st.
(I was talking to ildustry about the price just 5 mins ago.)
I've always wanted to talking about this,
but, I couldn't because of the circumstances.
to my feeling
don't need any more sound absorbing material.
(I can't find a way to explain how enjoyable that point.)
And, nobody mentioned it, so I'm disappointing...
I like the design of this one better than VEA1. I'm excited about the tent kit. I'm not a 75% user so I'm probably going to skip this one, but I think people in this thread are vastly underrating it.
Hi! Geek~~~~~!!!!!!!
I`m so glad to tell you in a long time.
I think I should give you an explanation of VE.A2
After finish GB VE.A1, we got a lot of contacts. But as you know, we can not make 10~20 sets easily.
We were worried and decided to make a second keyboard.
We are hoping that the VE.A we made will be used by many people. So we wanted to lower the price, which was too expensive.
The expected price for this VE.A2 is $320(initially I wanted $290).
I did not want to reduce the quality or components as the price went down, and I`m going to do the QC straight.
The apprearance of VE.A2 is similar now, but the part inside has changed a lot.
For example, polycarbonate to fix the comforters when using VE.A 1.
Many conversations are coming and going because of sata cable. Of course we also designed it first with usb-c.
When VE.A1 first came out, sata cable was a big issue. But now I`ve been using the VE.A prototype for the fourth year, but I`ve never felt anyting like a sata cable failure ever called a delay issue.
Also I have never heard of delayed issues with email or any other path.(I was surprised to hear about this IC for the first time)
It is a design part to keep using sata. I did not want the shape of the aluminum case to be strange because of the round shape of usb-c.
Since the sata slots are rectangular, we thought it was advantageous to connect "exectly" to VE.A.
I`m really sorry about the loge... I think it was missing details.
We thought it would be nice to have something "color" in the aluminum case.
However, in order to put the color directly on the body, there was a risk that one piece of the top board could be discarded
I wanted to be assembled in small pieces, and the complicated use of colors was because you wanted to be able to see and see the colors.
Of course, if you do not put the color like the VE.A1, you can use it as before. You can choice.
Tendin kits are included in the basic kit as well. I wanted to include a tinting kit when doing vea1, but due to the weight of the tinting kit
I had a problem with shipping too much, so I wanted to fix it in vea2.
Four pieces of tinting kits can be tilted to the left and right and can be tilted up and down. I'll take a more detailed picture of this.
There are many factors that raise prices (veins, tenting parts, color logos, etc.) than vea1.
I wanted to reduce the price from $ 420 to $ 320. Many people wanted to use it.
We know that users who use vea1 do not have a lot of special elements to buy vea2.
We talk again, but we have a job and do not want to make money on the keyboard.
But I do not want to make things out of quality or problems. I hope you like VE.A.
We will try to reconsider the delay issue and sata cable replacement again.
Thanks!
I`m really sorry about the loge... I think it was missing details.
We thought it would be nice to have something "color" in the aluminum case.
However, in order to put the color directly on the body, there was a risk that one piece of the top board could be discarded
I wanted to be assembled in small pieces, and the complicated use of colors was because you wanted to be able to see and see the colors.
Of course, if you do not put the color like the VE.A1, you can use it as before. You can choice.
I'm super interested. I didn't get a chance to grab a v1 and got a clone. The cloke made me love the format, but the quality is lacking for sure. I'll probably go in for 2 or 3 v2s depending on the timing.
Do you have any ideas of when this will run?
I'm super interested. I didn't get a chance to grab a v1 and got a clone. The cloke made me love the format, but the quality is lacking for sure. I'll probably go in for 2 or 3 v2s depending on the timing.
Do you have any ideas of when this will run?
The Server Open schedule should be discussed.
The request reception server will be developed within a few days.
It's a little delay than I expected
because I have to develop a program in home after work.
I'm like 154320% sure that most of the people prefer brass over SS
I'm like 154320% sure that most of the people prefer brass over SS
speak for yourself :p
I'm like 154320% sure that most of the people prefer brass over SS
speak for yourself :p
Y thoI'm like 154320% sure that most of the people prefer brass over SS
speak for yourself :p
CF over both tbh
Y thoI'm like 154320% sure that most of the people prefer brass over SS
speak for yourself :p
CF over both tbh
Would this be alps compatible or include an alps plate/pcb?
Will the GB be run through massdrop again, or a new website like typemachina?
Also, how many colors for the nameplate will be offered? I saw a couple different ones in the old thread.
Anyways, this is all very exciting :thumb:
If this ends up dead, I will blame the usb-c fanatics.
I have seen zero reports of anyone having issues with the sata connector, and imo it adds to the unique charm of the board.
Don’t kill ve.a by forcing it to be something different please
If this ends up dead, I will blame the usb-c fanatics.
I have seen zero reports of anyone having issues with the sata connector, and imo it adds to the unique charm of the board.
Don’t kill ve.a by forcing it to be something different please
Is the r2 pcb the same as r1?
If this ends up dead, I will blame the usb-c fanatics.
I have seen zero reports of anyone having issues with the sata connector, and imo it adds to the unique charm of the board.
Don’t kill ve.a by forcing it to be something different please
It's not a feature. It's a bug.
If your product has something that tons of potential customers hate and claim to be a dealbreaker, that's a bad design decision. Not a "unique charm point".
The fact that you cannot easily buy a backup cable for this board should be proof enough that this needs reconsideration to be worth calling a new version and not, you know, a glorified R2 at best.
=)
=)
I have no real interest in perpetuating the conversation/discussion, and as I've admitted prior I take some fault far as the "blaming SATA" thing goes, but is there a singular argument to be made in favour of not swapping other than SATA looking cool?
Another argument is they wouldn't need to redesign the PCB which could lead to R2 happening more quickly/cheaply as they don't need to take the time or effort to redesign it.
Another argument is they wouldn't need to redesign the PCB which could lead to R2 happening more quickly/cheaply as they don't need to take the time or effort to redesign it.
Is that supremely relevant though, considering they had like 3 years to work on redesigning/"improving" the PCB design? I suppose the pricing could matter but I wouldn't know how much of an impact that may have, I guess no one really does but Oddforge and the people involved in the project. I feel like compromising to save a little bit of money when it comes to such a long-awaited and loved board is probably not the smartest move.
I switched all the SSD's in my PC to Optical Toslink
Is the r2 pcb the same as r1?
Yes. Same PCB.
PainMaster, any estimate of when this GB will go live? In other words, when will we be able to buy?
Can't wait! For some reason I thought it would be a while before the GB, so I'm glad it's happening soon.PainMaster, any estimate of when this GB will go live? In other words, when will we be able to buy?
Well...
Actually, I'm all set to get request, but...
I'll check with you in a few days.
PainMaster, any estimate of when this GB will go live? In other words, when will we be able to buy?
Well...
Actually, I'm all set to get request, but...
I'll check with you in a few days.
Awesome! And estimated price?
Awesome! And estimated price?
Oddforge commented on it a few pages back, I can't remember the exact amount and I'm too lazy to go back but it was like $300-350 (think it was 320) for a kit
Any updates on this? Would love to be able join the GB soon.
Super happy VE.A owner/lurker here, would love to have another one. Or two.
I occasionally travel with mine and have never had an issue with the SATA connectors. It still concerns me, but less than it did initially.
Flakiness of USB through an Apple Cinema Display after upgrading to/beyond OSX Sierra... that's an entirely different issue that's Apple's fault.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/G5xx4rU.jpg)
Super happy VE.A owner/lurker here, would love to have another one. Or two.
I occasionally travel with mine and have never had an issue with the SATA connectors. It still concerns me, but less than it did initially.
Flakiness of USB through an Apple Cinema Display after upgrading to/beyond OSX Sierra... that's an entirely different issue that's Apple's fault.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/G5xx4rU.jpg)
That is a clean build! :thumb:
Came back months later and OP is being excited about a prettier SATA cable...I was mainly excited because there's really no alternative to it in the 75% form factor. Sure, there's the clone on taobao, but the quality of that leaves a lot to be desired.
What a waste of an otherwise amazing keyboard. I know this hobby has an non-insignificant element of retro computing nostalgia, but this is on a whole other level of tech luddism.
Best of luck to those who still stick around for the GB. I won’t.
PainMaster, any estimate of when this GB will go live? In other words, when will we be able to buy?
Well...
Actually, I'm all set to get request, but...
I'll check with you in a few days.
I sold my original VE.A due to the SATA cable issue causing lag. However, I would be in for Round 2 if the lag issue was resolved!
For the LOGO, I think we should go for classy and refined, providing colors such as black, gold, and silver for the logo. Maybe 1 logo option with a mix of colors for the people who want colors in the LOGO?
I sold my original VE.A due to the SATA cable issue causing lag. However, I would be in for Round 2 if the lag issue was resolved!
For the LOGO, I think we should go for classy and refined, providing colors such as black, gold, and silver for the logo. Maybe 1 logo option with a mix of colors for the people who want colors in the LOGO?
USB-C for connecting to PC and connecting halves, QMK, and NKRO, and I'm set. These gripes with the VE.A 1 make me wanna sell it.
Is this still happening? I think a few months ago PainMaster said he could've launched it soon... Got my hopes up ;)
Thanks(?) to your many requests,Naissio, thanks for the update!
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
(Attachment Link)
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
Thanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
Thanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
Thanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
Thanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
NiceThanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
Nice!
Thanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
Thanks(?) to your many requests,Thanks for the update! Glad you decided to go for usb-c for all of the connections :thumb:
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
(Attachment Link)
Good news that VE.A 2 is going to get type-c support for all connectors. I guess it's for the better, losing the iconic SATA connector.
What about software, still going to be using bootmapper? Would hope that we could change that too. Not sure who is the creator of bootmapper and since winkeyless have closed, if possible, maybe change the way on how to configure the board to some of the newer and latest way. QMK? etc.
Good news that VE.A 2 is going to get type-c support for all connectors. I guess it's for the better, losing the iconic SATA connector.
What about software, still going to be using bootmapper? Would hope that we could change that too. Not sure who is the creator of bootmapper and since winkeyless have closed, if possible, maybe change the way on how to configure the board to some of the newer and latest way. QMK? etc.
This will be unpopular opinion but qmk blows ass for new users and is not friendly whatsoever.. boot mapper works 99% of all users without needing a programming degree in order to get the damn thing working. I have no idea why anyone prefers qmk over any of the more simple interface is out there.
Thanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
Will there be blocker options on this board?
The software should still use bootmapper.
Glad to see USB-C as an option. Is that for powering the board or for connecting the two sides?Both.
Good news that VE.A 2 is going to get type-c support for all connectors. I guess it's for the better, losing the iconic SATA connector.
What about software, still going to be using bootmapper? Would hope that we could change that too. Not sure who is the creator of bootmapper and since winkeyless have closed, if possible, maybe change the way on how to configure the board to some of the newer and latest way. QMK? etc.
This will be unpopular opinion but qmk blows ass for new users and is not friendly whatsoever.. boot mapper works 99% of all users without needing a programming degree in order to get the damn thing working. I have no idea why anyone prefers qmk over any of the more simple interface is out there.
I'm not a big fan of the two extra columns to the left. I would also like to have a sperator between left arrow and the modifier key next to it.Personally, taking away those columns takes away a good part of the charm for these keyboards.
Tenting kits? Wrist rests?
I'm not a big fan of the two extra columns to the left. I would also like to have a sperator between left arrow and the modifier key next to it.
Would be in for one if it can handle peak 150wpm (600-800 key presses) without dropping input or rolling over. See that it is an issue from V1 as well as other single-controller split keyboards that I own. (my deltasplit and quefrency boards don't have the issue)
Thanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
Will there be blocker options on this board?
We are testing to deal with any situations that
could damage the circuit,
cause abnormal operation,
or cause over-voltage conditions.
Although we have prepared the over-voltage blocking option,
which is the reference for USB-C,
it will be accurate if we test it a little more.
The software should still use bootmapper.
Tenting details haven't been posted yet. I watch this more carefully than I do oncoming traffic
I Hate to be that guy, but ... any chance of ISO layout support?ISO is supported, see the OP!
I'm not a big fan of the two extra columns to the left. I would also like to have a sperator between left arrow and the modifier key next to it.Personally, taking away those columns takes away a good part of the charm for these keyboards.
A separate I can agree with.
And as previously mentioned, hopefully a revision to the acrylic diffuser lines and the badge/logo as well so it looks more elegant.
Yeah this board is endgame for me, would like to see where its going or any update at all.Endgame is a lie.
Yeah this board is endgame for me, would like to see where its going or any update at all.Endgame is a lie.
What board is it?Yeah this board is endgame for me, would like to see where its going or any update at all.Endgame is a lie.
Endgame confirmed. I found it, and pretty much all but stopped collecting when I did. It exists, but some people may never get there....
What board is it?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/ct3oux/gmk_night_runner_on_an_sp111/
This might not scratch the same VE.A itch for everyone else, but it sure does for me.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/ct3oux/gmk_night_runner_on_an_sp111/
This might not scratch the same VE.A itch for everyone else, but it sure does for me.
Really can't wait to have this board, this is literally endgame for me.
Excited to see this moving forward.
Has there been any change with regard to layout (eg arrow separator) or cable (SATA)?
Thanks!
Excited to see this moving forward.
Has there been any change with regard to layout (eg arrow separator) or cable (SATA)?
Thanks!
> Please refer to this.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98324.msg2763022#msg2763022
Excited to see this moving forward.
Has there been any change with regard to layout (eg arrow separator) or cable (SATA)?
Thanks!
> Please refer to this.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98324.msg2763022#msg2763022
Is there a possible est. of costs?
another 350+$ would bloody murder me this year...
There was a post...somewhere in these 8 pages...where the cost might be roughly similar and only 350. If you were budgeting, I'd raise that up 20% though...
There was a post...somewhere in these 8 pages...where the cost might be roughly similar and only 350. If you were budgeting, I'd raise that up 20% though...
Is there a possible est. of costs?Definitely more than $350
another 350+$ would bloody murder me this year...
Is there a possible est. of costs?Definitely more than $350
another 350+$ would bloody murder me this year...
Sent from my SM-G970F using Tapatalk
Nice my mistake. I assumed those pricings were outdated and for the sata versionIs there a possible est. of costs?Definitely more than $350
another 350+$ would bloody murder me this year...
Sent from my SM-G970F using Tapatalk
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98324.msg2689598#msg2689598
Nice my mistake. I assumed those pricings were outdated and for the sata version
Sent from my SM-G970F using Tapatalk
Oh God... i am not sure if i can handle another keyboard...Damn 3 keyboards in the past 4 months!! Well...at least you’ll be getting keyboards after keyboards in the mail when they ship.
I just cannot buy 3 keyboard in literally 4 months.
So i might even have to pass out on this one..
kinda unrealistic hope that this will come in purple
So happy it got changed to USB-C! Looking forward to seeing the other new changes. Still hoping for QMK and hotswap if possible....Hotswap might be pushing it
any updates on this? "Nov or earlier" but we have not head anything since
Gonna go with later than Nov
Is this actually going to happen? SP111 GB is happening now. I'd rather save some money and get the VEA r2, but don't want to miss SP111 if VEA r2 isn't happening
This IC is dead :blank:
same, all i want for xmas. ;)
Is this dead?
This IC is dead :blank:
I have not been in this community long, but the whining about updates does seem to fly in the face of expected patience to the rest of us. I realize that there are people of all ages that are interested in keyboards, and younger members are going to post "are we there yet" messages all the time, but really, let's be more patient. Some project runners just aren't the most communicative. Especially if they're creating kits as a hobby.
snipped
snipped
This is an interest check
snipped
This is an interest check
This is an interest checkYeah, and part of what determines my "interest" is how reliable the person running the GB is likely to be (if you disagree, you may wish to join my upcoming group buy for a bridge in Brooklyn). Dropping off the planet during an IC isn't remotely the same as doing it during a GB, but you're certainly going to have overlap, and the most responsible GB runners will also be responsible IC runners.
This is an interest checkYeah, and part of what determines my "interest" is how reliable the person running the GB is likely to be (if you disagree, you may wish to join my upcoming group buy for a bridge in Brooklyn). Dropping off the planet during an IC isn't remotely the same as doing it during a GB, but you're certainly going to have overlap, and the most responsible GB runners will also be responsible IC runners.
It's especially eyebrow-raising when a user has logged into the site but hasn't updated. Personally, I'd have more confidence in someone who completely disappeared for months and then gave an adequate update when they returned than someone who's around but silent. The former may just have **** going on in their life, while the latter is more likely to be someone who falls into a "gets distracted or overwhelmed > misses deadline > feels ashamed > doesn't update because they feel ashamed > is further distracted or overwhelmed by the fact that they're now even farther behind the deadline" sort of cycle that just spirals out of control, because the longer it goes on, the harder it is for them to feel capable of just biting the bullet and digging themselves out of it.
This is an interest checkSir, this is an Arby's.
Bugging a busy person to provide updates in an interest check and placing your happiness on their ability/willingness to respond when there isn't anything to say is a recipe to burn-out quick in this hobby.I mean sure, there's always worst case scenarios. And there's better too.
This person hasn't taken any of your money and has absolutely no obligation to fulfill this GB. That said, I'm pretty sure he will because it's clear there was effort being put in. Just be glad he hasn't chimed in months after taking all your money to say he was in the hospital... then just goes radio silent and never ships.
For the first round of VE.A the creator himself did not expect the intense amount of interest and it overwhelmed him (understandably). This is one of the reasons it went to Massdrop. Keep in mind the number of interested parties is much greater than the first round and I am sure he does not want to disappoint.I mean no one has told others not to believe here. They simply asked for info and have formed their own decisions based on lack information. As you yourself have told them to.
Basically he can take all the time he wants and if you don’t want to wait then buy another board because asking for updates won’t make it go any faster. A project this big is not easily forgotten so give him time.
You also really can’t treat this as you would a business because this is his hobby and no money has been exchanged up until now. No one owes anyone anything at this point.
I hope it happens but if not, that’s OK too. In the end people, it is just a board.
Again. Agreed. Hobby is fine. But who has a hobby they don't take part in for 3 minutes after what, 4 months? If interest is that low in a hobby, I dunno if I'd run stuff involving other people's money. Haha.You haven't sent him any money.
I mean or I'd simply just avoid putting dates on anything until I felt ready. Or at least tell people what happened when a date came and went. I imagine that as like minimal hobby effort.
Jesus. People just keep getting angrier and angrier.Again. Agreed. Hobby is fine. But who has a hobby they don't take part in for 3 minutes after what, 4 months? If interest is that low in a hobby, I dunno if I'd run stuff involving other people's money. Haha.You haven't sent him any money.
I mean or I'd simply just avoid putting dates on anything until I felt ready. Or at least tell people what happened when a date came and went. I imagine that as like minimal hobby effort.
He doesn't owe you #$%&.
Stop with this self-entitled attitude. People have life stuffs, and this is not a business.
If he comes out of his hole, then we get a v2.Yeah. The V1 is a pretty sweet piece of hardware.
If not, so be it. :'(
That being said, been holding off buying a v1 im hopes he updates this post. Hah
If he comes out of his hole, then we get a v2.
If not, so be it. :'(
That being said, been holding off buying a v1 in hopes he updates this post. Hah
Apologists in this thread are getting quite wild for some reason. OP has decided to shoot themselves in a foot meanwhile people requesting transparency are somehow bad guys here.
I think everyone here knows that making custom keyboards isn't sustainable business model yet and it's a hobby for most people. Yes, OP didn't take our money yet, but when you're your own master and set deadlines that you miss (regardless of seriousness) you _have_ to let people know before deadline as to why you're failed, what are you going to do next, and what's gonna be next deadline.
As someone here said before, OP and another person affiliated with project has been to the forum multiple times since November. Actually OP been here as recently as 2 days ago. Why is it so hard to let people know as to why this project isn't moving forward is beyond me. Actually, what frustrates people the most is simply lack of communication, not the state of the project.
Are you done with project? Sad, but okay, I can spend my money somewhere else.
Did you fail to find a decent manufacturer? Known problem, happens often, understandable, keep us updated.
Are you having problems building the proto (was there one actually?) due to updated design? Understandable, let us know what problems have you encountered so other people can also learn from your mistakes.
Sent from my Redmi K20 Pro using Tapatalk
Oh snap. Guys it's expensive. Deserves a free pass XD.Its gonna be using USB-C instead of SATA as can be seen here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98324.msg2763022#msg2763022.
Ignoring the silliness of defenses, I've made enough purchases lately, I got time before he happens to wander in here again and update. Still looking forward to this maybe eventually being available! Really dig the compactness of this layout.
Dunno if this was addressed farther up, but with SATA connector, does this have any limitations/differences from more modern splits using USB-C?
Oh snap. Guys it's expensive. Deserves a free pass XD.Its gonna be using USB-C instead of SATA as can be seen here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98324.msg2763022#msg2763022.
Ignoring the silliness of defenses, I've made enough purchases lately, I got time before he happens to wander in here again and update. Still looking forward to this maybe eventually being available! Really dig the compactness of this layout.
Dunno if this was addressed farther up, but with SATA connector, does this have any limitations/differences from more modern splits using USB-C?
this zeelobby guy is tryna be the next post count +1Did I get it??? (Sorry. Works boring)
Apologists
We can just let it drop at this point. If people keep responding to people asking for updates who then get responded to by those seeking for updates. Etc. Time for everyone to just move on. Or worst case. See it's someone asking for an update and just hit the back button.Apologists
No one is apologizing for OP, he just doesn't owe you anything. It's a statement of fact not an apology and bumping this thread every day to whine about it is the issue most of the "apologists" have with the people "requesting transparency". Like 30 people have already requested it, if someone thinks OP looks at this thread and doesn't think people want updates then that someone has some critical thinking issues.
keeb.io is working on a split staggered 75%. That will make a perfect VE.A alternative (minus the alu case).Hopefully it wont be a PITA to get as Quefrency is currently.
No updates in over a year, RIP VEA 2, this thing is dead in the water. :/
keeb.io is working on a split staggered 75%. That will make a perfect VE.A alternative (minus the alu case).Ooo, thanks for highlighting, subscribed to email list for PCB! If you don't mind me asking, how did you find out? I don't want to miss any case GB's for it (r/mk only had 20ish upvotes)
keeb.io is working on a split staggered 75%. That will make a perfect VE.A alternative (minus the alu case).Ooo, thanks for highlighting, subscribed to email list for PCB! If you don't mind me asking, how did you find out? I don't want to miss any case GB's for it (r/mk only had 20ish upvotes)
So far I didn't find any other 75%, split, staggered keyboard as good as this one.Agreed. Lets hope He/She is OK, let's put our pitchforks down and hope this still happens! I WANT THIS SO BAD!
Looks amazing, the 10 macro keys on the left are great too, and on top of that, v2 has a "built-in" tenting kit...
That keyboard is really perfection for me, and I really don't mind waiting even more to see this GB happen, but I just wish we had some updates regarding the state of the project...
Looking at OP's profile, seems like he didn't connect to GH for almost 2 month, let's just hope he's doing ok and give us some updates anytime soon I guess.
I just googled uni660 and omfg where site was the GB offered?There was only private GB so far. Official GB will be held (at least) on https://ilumkb.com/.
OP COME BACK!
COME BACK OP!
We want this so bad! I want this so bad.
Is there anything that the community (or myself) can do to help you in this process?
I'm willing to do what I can to make this a reality.
Thanks! Talk soon I hope. :)
OP COME BACK!
COME BACK OP!
We want this so bad! I want this so bad.
Is there anything that the community (or myself) can do to help you in this process?
I'm willing to do what I can to make this a reality.
Thanks! Talk soon I hope. :)
The original VE.A ran on drop, so if you have friends who work for drop that might help.
We are still alive !!
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Amount is don't know yet.
PS : Each part is a sample, so please take it into consideration.
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
Yes, I would love QMK+VIA support as well!We are still alive !!
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Amount is don't know yet.
PS : Each part is a sample, so please take it into consideration.
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
Very exciting! Any more changes before GB starts? For example would love if it ran QMK/VIA instead of bootmapper
We are still alive !!
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Amount is don't know yet.
PS : Each part is a sample, so please take it into consideration.
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
Very exciting! Any more changes before GB starts? For example would love if it ran QMK/VIA instead of bootmapper
Is the pcb backwards compatible? Any chance the pcb files are available anywhere?
split space bar is not my thing but i prefer the thingy on the top left hand corner, looks very toyish and fun
would definitely consider without split spacebar
split space bar is not my thing but i prefer the thingy on the top left hand corner, looks very toyish and fun
would definitely consider without split spacebar
>would definitely consider without split spacebar
Let’s explore that design some more. Like, keep the board together for a 6u space bar, but juuuust a bit of breathing room for that 6.25u
Get a really curved GMK bar, you could combine with a tent kit
In all seriousness tho can we have a tent kit for this round?
would definitely consider without split spacebar
We are still alive !!
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Amount is don't know yet.
PS : Each part is a sample, so please take it into consideration.
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
Incompatible.
We was first made compatible, but... after change connector, not anymore.Is the pcb backwards compatible? Any chance the pcb files are available anywhere?
Incompatible.
We was first made compatible, but... after change connector, not anymore.Is the pcb backwards compatible? Any chance the pcb files are available anywhere?
seeing 3 usb-c coming out of the board, I wonder if you can connect each halves directly to your pc. what will happen if you connect all 3 ports to the pc?
We are still alive !!
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Amount is don't know yet.
PS : Each part is a sample, so please take it into consideration.
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
Incompatible.
We was first made compatible, but... after change connector, not anymore.Is the pcb backwards compatible? Any chance the pcb files are available anywhere?
Has there been any sense how big this gn would be? Are we all going to be scrambling for 25 boards?Given the last version was ran through Drop I'm hopeful it won't be a limited supply situation
Is this still on pace to start in November?
Is this still on pace to start in November?
IIRC the November mentioned was for 2019.....
Is this still on pace to start in November?
IIRC the November mentioned was for 2019.....
OP had stated that the Group Buy would run November of THIS YEAR.
We are still alive !!
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Amount is don't know yet.
PS : Each part is a sample, so please take it into consideration.
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
am quite relieved that ve.a is not happening tomorrow. i need to buy u80 and sat75.How do you know it's not happening?
I'd also say it not gonna happen in November (or maybe at all) due to:Hasn't talked to us since September. And I am alone and scared. Why would he do this to us, his loyal children. What a scammer. Didn't even take our money yet. Called us names. Peed in my cereal. What a mean mean designer man. Not fair!
- OP is MIA again. Last time they were here is 17th of October.
- No general info about the run: quantity, sale format, vendors, prices, shipping, production time.
- No info about board itself: options, colors, badges, etc.
- No photos of finished product.
OP showed remarkable lack of decency (not to mention respect) for the people willing to participate in the GB (and community as a whole) with the stunt they're pulling. I suggest you forget this ever existed, move on and spend your money elsewhere.
OP showed remarkable lack of decency (not to mention respect) for the people willing to participate in the GB (and community as a whole) with the stunt they're pulling. I suggest you forget this ever existed, move on and spend your money elsewhere.
Is this still on pace to start in November?
IIRC the November mentioned was for 2019.....
OP had stated that the Group Buy would run November of THIS YEAR.
We are still alive !!
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Given the sporadic manner in which OP has managed this IC, I would be extremely hesitant to put down cash for any potential groupbuy purely for the risk I'd never see him/her and (as a result) my money ever again. Pretty sad considering the keyboard itself looks great.
Given the sporadic manner in which OP has managed this IC, I would be extremely hesitant to put down cash for any potential groupbuy purely for the risk I'd never see him/her and (as a result) my money ever again. Pretty sad considering the keyboard itself looks great.
hey there captain two posts. this is the second version, there has been sporadic news for 2 years and beyond. they aren't in a hurry, clearly. after all this is an interest check and not a group buy post. it's to check interest for a later sale, at any given point in the future, or not at all. you can easy see this by checking the first post which is from Sun, 25 November 2018. whenever they're ready they will announce it.
there is no reason to leave such comments on an IC post from a maker that had no drama attached to its name and caused absolutely zero issues in this community for 4+ years.
Given the sporadic manner in which OP has managed this IC, I would be extremely hesitant to put down cash for any potential groupbuy purely for the risk I'd never see him/her and (as a result) my money ever again. Pretty sad considering the keyboard itself looks great.
hey there captain two posts. this is the second version, there has been sporadic news for 2 years and beyond. they aren't in a hurry, clearly. after all this is an interest check and not a group buy post. it's to check interest for a later sale, at any given point in the future, or not at all. you can easy see this by checking the first post which is from Sun, 25 November 2018. whenever they're ready they will announce it.
there is no reason to leave such comments on an IC post from a maker that had no drama attached to its name and caused absolutely zero issues in this community for 4+ years.
While the sata cable is an interesting choice I feel like there are more options available right now that might be a bit better
After checking the anodizing color sample, proceed group buy.
> 2020.12.12
The Part Assembly Test has Ended. (finally !!!!)
Now we proceed to the anodizing color sample.
After checking the anodizing color sample, proceed group buy.
Group Buy was scheduled to start on December 1st.
But, we are couldn't get together six month, in the aftermath of the 'covid-19'.
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
the screws before tightening them.
(Attachment Link)
Possibility to switch spacebar 1u to the right on the left part?Was possible on v1, so I'm guessing yes
Unwatching this. Giving up on this project."Thanks for telling us! We care!" -no one
Unwatching this. Giving up on this project."Thanks for telling us! We care!" -no one
Sent from my LIO-AL00 using Tapatalk
Still just daydreaming about this thing...Same! It'll happen!
@Painmaster
Is it possible to get a DXF for the VE.A PCB? If I can't get my hands on a 2nd VE.A, I would at least like to make a few more PCB+Plate combos for the one I currently have to have different switch combinations. Happy to share the PCB files with you to support people who want to refurbish their gen1 VE.As.
@Painmaster
Is it possible to get a DXF for the VE.A PCB? If I can't get my hands on a 2nd VE.A, I would at least like to make a few more PCB+Plate combos for the one I currently have to have different switch combinations. Happy to share the PCB files with you to support people who want to refurbish their gen1 VE.As.
THIS!!! :eek: :thumb:
Gerber files for the VE.A v1 PCB would be greatly appreciated. I've had mine over the years, and would love to enjoy it for even longer without having to worry about the PCB eventually dying on me.
I might just de-solder my VE.A to take measurements and do my best to make a replica. If I make a replacement PCB, it'll likely be QMK powered since I don't know how to get bootmapper installed onto a board. Any interest in a few spare PCBs?
I would also suggest making VIA compatible. Being able to update mappings on the fly w/o having to flash via a certain process is super nice for one of the keebs I have@Painmaster
Is it possible to get a DXF for the VE.A PCB? If I can't get my hands on a 2nd VE.A, I would at least like to make a few more PCB+Plate combos for the one I currently have to have different switch combinations. Happy to share the PCB files with you to support people who want to refurbish their gen1 VE.As.
THIS!!! :eek: :thumb:
Gerber files for the VE.A v1 PCB would be greatly appreciated. I've had mine over the years, and would love to enjoy it for even longer without having to worry about the PCB eventually dying on me.
I might just de-solder my VE.A to take measurements and do my best to make a replica. If I make a replacement PCB, it'll likely be QMK powered since I don't know how to get bootmapper installed onto a board. Any interest in a few spare PCBs?
I would also suggest making VIA compatible. Being able to update mappings on the fly w/o having to flash via a certain process is super nice for one of the keebs I have@Painmaster
Is it possible to get a DXF for the VE.A PCB? If I can't get my hands on a 2nd VE.A, I would at least like to make a few more PCB+Plate combos for the one I currently have to have different switch combinations. Happy to share the PCB files with you to support people who want to refurbish their gen1 VE.As.
THIS!!! :eek: :thumb:
Gerber files for the VE.A v1 PCB would be greatly appreciated. I've had mine over the years, and would love to enjoy it for even longer without having to worry about the PCB eventually dying on me.
I might just de-solder my VE.A to take measurements and do my best to make a replica. If I make a replacement PCB, it'll likely be QMK powered since I don't know how to get bootmapper installed onto a board. Any interest in a few spare PCBs?
I would also suggest making VIA compatible. Being able to update mappings on the fly w/o having to flash via a certain process is super nice for one of the keebs I have@Painmaster
Is it possible to get a DXF for the VE.A PCB? If I can't get my hands on a 2nd VE.A, I would at least like to make a few more PCB+Plate combos for the one I currently have to have different switch combinations. Happy to share the PCB files with you to support people who want to refurbish their gen1 VE.As.
THIS!!! :eek: :thumb:
Gerber files for the VE.A v1 PCB would be greatly appreciated. I've had mine over the years, and would love to enjoy it for even longer without having to worry about the PCB eventually dying on me.
I might just de-solder my VE.A to take measurements and do my best to make a replica. If I make a replacement PCB, it'll likely be QMK powered since I don't know how to get bootmapper installed onto a board. Any interest in a few spare PCBs?
MechMerlin has had a VE.A PCB for over a year now, the owner sent it to him for Merlin to Port to QMK and VIA, not too sure when Merlin will get around to it.
I would also suggest making VIA compatible. Being able to update mappings on the fly w/o having to flash via a certain process is super nice for one of the keebs I have@Painmaster
Is it possible to get a DXF for the VE.A PCB? If I can't get my hands on a 2nd VE.A, I would at least like to make a few more PCB+Plate combos for the one I currently have to have different switch combinations. Happy to share the PCB files with you to support people who want to refurbish their gen1 VE.As.
THIS!!! :eek: :thumb:
Gerber files for the VE.A v1 PCB would be greatly appreciated. I've had mine over the years, and would love to enjoy it for even longer without having to worry about the PCB eventually dying on me.
I might just de-solder my VE.A to take measurements and do my best to make a replica. If I make a replacement PCB, it'll likely be QMK powered since I don't know how to get bootmapper installed onto a board. Any interest in a few spare PCBs?
MechMerlin has had a VE.A PCB for over a year now, the owner sent it to him for Merlin to Port to QMK and VIA, not too sure when Merlin will get around to it.
Oh daaaaaaaaaaamn. That would certainly save all of us a bunch of time. Does MechMerlin ever open-source the files? I usually just order blank PCBs and solder things on myself.
If it's ported, it will be in the QMK repo and the Via layout repo.
This is clearly not OP's priority, I've been waiting for a couple years for this board to come to fruition. I think it'll happen, just going to take a while. have patience..... :)
Here's hoping there's still life to this project. Sorry for baiting your watched posts :Dhttps://c.tenor.com/6uKkbtEVcvsAAAAM/son-of-a-*****-chris-farley.gif
I have three. Three VE.A keyboards :D
This was my original endgame years ago. I think I’ll be holding SP-111 round 2 boards in my hands in 2023 while this still gets necro’ d every few months. Sad this doppleganger and kendo never made it.
This was my original endgame years ago. I think I’ll be holding SP-111 round 2 boards in my hands in 2023 while this still gets necro’ d every few months. Sad this doppleganger and kendo never made it.
who said doppleganger is dead?
Where did you guys get those wooden tenting kits/wrist rests? I’d really love something like that for my Sinc
Where did you guys get those wooden tenting kits/wrist rests? I’d really love something like that for my Sinc
they were a separate GB after the original
Puddsy or otherwise, do you know who made them?
Where did you guys get those wooden tenting kits/wrist rests? I’d really love something like that for my Sinc
they were a separate GB after the original
Puddsy or otherwise, do you know who made them?
Where did you guys get those wooden tenting kits/wrist rests? I’d really love something like that for my Sinc
they were a separate GB after the original
Puddsy or otherwise, do you know who made them?
bendrexl ultimately made them. gb run by his friend alienman82. it was a cluster **** that nearly did not happen until people started issuing paypal disputes and getting refunds
not that those guys are around anymore, but i would not do anything with them again
So? I've bought like 4 boards so far this month.
How many have you RECIEVED while waiting for this? That's the real measure.
Bumping just in case someone knows what happens to OP ?
According to his last messages, things seemed to be coming along well with those USB-C prototypes, but no messages since, and it has been almost a year since OP's last connection.
With covid and everything going on since his last message I was hoping someone could tell us if he's doing good or not at least, and if he's willing to continue this project.
EDIT: Sorry for giving false hopes to those who like me have been expecting updates on this topic for quite some time now :(