[GB] Gateron Switch (CLOSED)

[ideus]

In other words, you can use the Gateron blacks stock, and they will feel almost like 68g (Korean) lubed MX blacks. Or you can lube them, and they will feel like lubed vintage blacks.

Wow! Go blacks!

[Zeal]

Blacks are a couple hundred away from hitting 20k...

[joey]

Will the OP be updated with numbers soon?

[SpAmRaY]

Will the OP be updated with numbers soon?

I hope so because black will be up to 20K or over!

[samsonite727]

Wanna change my order.
Just 100 blacks please.

I already pm'd hdwood do I have to refill the order form again?

EDIT: Read the first page, PM is all that is needed.

[strict]

All this talk of clears being unusable with stock springs is dis-concerning, it sounds like they are ALOT lighter than the cherry reds.

They are. You don't want clears unless you are prepared to spring swap.

+1 ... I like Cherry Reds and typed on them for 7 months straight, but the springs in Gateron Clears are noticeably lighter than Reds. Basically to the point of being unusably light.

[Zeal]

Will the OP be updated with numbers soon?

I hope so because black will be up to 20K or over!

You upped it past 20k.

[SpAmRaY]

Will the OP be updated with numbers soon?

I hope so because black will be up to 20K or over!

You upped it to 20k.

I tried!

[VanGhost]

I'm going to be using 78g Korean springs on Stricts recommendation. What would be a good lube to complete the ultimate linear?

[jdcarpe]

I'm going to be using 78g Korean springs on Stricts recommendation. What would be a good lube to complete the ultimate linear?

Krytox.

If you buy it premixed, you want thin.

[Ngt]

I'm going to be using 78g Korean springs on Stricts recommendation. What would be a good lube to complete the ultimate linear?

Krytox.

If you buy it premixed, you want thin.

What about the red lube sold by EK? I'm asking because I have it so I wonder what it is worth.


EDIT: https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,misc&pid=mechlube_2

[jdcarpe]

I'm going to be using 78g Korean springs on Stricts recommendation. What would be a good lube to complete the ultimate linear?

Krytox.

If you buy it premixed, you want thin.

What about the red lube sold by EK? I'm asking because I have it so I wonder what it is worth.


EDIT: https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,misc&pid=mechlube_2

NOTHING BUT KRYTOX.

[SpAmRaY]

I'm going to be using 78g Korean springs on Stricts recommendation. What would be a good lube to complete the ultimate linear?

Krytox.

If you buy it premixed, you want thin.

What about the red lube sold by EK? I'm asking because I have it so I wonder what it is worth.


EDIT: https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,misc&pid=mechlube_2

NOTHING BUT KRYTOX.

But superlube is ok right jd?

[jdcarpe]

I'm going to be using 78g Korean springs on Stricts recommendation. What would be a good lube to complete the ultimate linear?

Krytox.

If you buy it premixed, you want thin.

What about the red lube sold by EK? I'm asking because I have it so I wonder what it is worth.


EDIT: https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,misc&pid=mechlube_2

NOTHING BUT KRYTOX.

But superlube is ok right jd?

[VanGhost]

I'm going to be using 78g Korean springs on Stricts recommendation. What would be a good lube to complete the ultimate linear?

Krytox.

If you buy it premixed, you want thin.

What about the red lube sold by EK? I'm asking because I have it so I wonder what it is worth.


EDIT: https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,misc&pid=mechlube_2

NOTHING BUT KRYTOX.

Is there a specific one that you could recommend? I thought that they evaporated after some time and left behind residue making the switch even stickier - any truth to that? Also could I use the same lube for the springs? I'm trying to protect my wallet!

[jdcarpe]

Is there a specific one that you could recommend? I thought that they evaporated after some time and left behind residue making the switch even stickier - any truth to that? Also could I use the same lube for the springs? I'm trying to protect my wallet!

http://techkeys.us/collections/accessories/products/krytox-switch-lurbricant

Sold out on geekhackers.org, and [CTRL]ALT store is down. But you can always PM BunnyLake to order, too.

Krytox doesn't evaporate, so you never need to reapply. You COULD use Krytox for springs, but it is expensive for that purpose. I recommend Victorinox Multi Tool Oil.

[wlhlm]

I'm going to be using 78g Korean springs on Stricts recommendation. What would be a good lube to complete the ultimate linear?

Krytox.

If you buy it premixed, you want thin.

What about the red lube sold by EK? I'm asking because I have it so I wonder what it is worth.

I tried it for Ergo Clears and it resulted in making the switch mushier, it is pretty thick. Maybe I used too much , but I feel like it's more for stabilizers than switches.

[Ngt]

Is there a specific one that you could recommend? I thought that they evaporated after some time and left behind residue making the switch even stickier - any truth to that? Also could I use the same lube for the springs? I'm trying to protect my wallet!

http://techkeys.us/collections/accessories/products/krytox-switch-lurbricant

Sold out on geekhackers.org, and [CTRL]ALT store is down. But you can always PM BunnyLake to order, too.

Krytox doesn't evaporate, so you never need to reapply. You COULD use Krytox for springs, but it is expensive for that purpose. I recommend Victorinox Multi Tool Oil.

Damn I tried to find some Krytox lube when I was looking for some. I wasn't able to put my hands on some. I guess I didn't look well enough.


Considering the Mecklube 2, have you ever tried it and can speak from experience that it is not good enough? Or have you only tried Krytox, as you know it works well you recommend it?

[jdcarpe]

Is there a specific one that you could recommend? I thought that they evaporated after some time and left behind residue making the switch even stickier - any truth to that? Also could I use the same lube for the springs? I'm trying to protect my wallet!

http://techkeys.us/collections/accessories/products/krytox-switch-lurbricant

Sold out on geekhackers.org, and [CTRL]ALT store is down. But you can always PM BunnyLake to order, too.

Krytox doesn't evaporate, so you never need to reapply. You COULD use Krytox for springs, but it is expensive for that purpose. I recommend Victorinox Multi Tool Oil.

Damn I tried to find some Krytox lube when I was looking for some. I wasn't able to put my hands on some. I guess I didn't look well enough.


Considering the Mecklube 2, have you ever tried it and can speak from experience that it is not good enough? Or have you only tried Krytox, as you know it works well you recommend it?

I haven't tried Mechlube 2, but I don't think anything can come close to Krytox. There was a post by mkawa that explains its properties. I'll see if I can find it.


Edit: here it is https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58312.0

[hwood34]

Will the OP be updated with numbers soon?

I hope so because black will be up to 20K or over!

updated

[Ngt]

Is there a specific one that you could recommend? I thought that they evaporated after some time and left behind residue making the switch even stickier - any truth to that? Also could I use the same lube for the springs? I'm trying to protect my wallet!

http://techkeys.us/collections/accessories/products/krytox-switch-lurbricant

Sold out on geekhackers.org, and [CTRL]ALT store is down. But you can always PM BunnyLake to order, too.

Krytox doesn't evaporate, so you never need to reapply. You COULD use Krytox for springs, but it is expensive for that purpose. I recommend Victorinox Multi Tool Oil.

Damn I tried to find some Krytox lube when I was looking for some. I wasn't able to put my hands on some. I guess I didn't look well enough.


Considering the Mecklube 2, have you ever tried it and can speak from experience that it is not good enough? Or have you only tried Krytox, as you know it works well you recommend it?

I haven't tried Mechlube 2, but I don't think anything can come close to Krytox. There was a post by mkawa that explains its properties. I'll see if I can find it.


Edit: here it is https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58312.0

Damn that was informative but it was not the kind of explanation I thought it would be. Thanks for the link.


I feel like you cannot find Krytox in Europe. Last time I checked the only offer were from the US.

[jdcarpe]

I feel like you cannot find Krytox in Europe. Last time I checked the only offer were from the US.

Send BunnyLake a PM. I believe he has some stock, even though his store is offline.

[Ngt]

I feel like you cannot find Krytox in Europe. Last time I checked the only offer were from the US.

Send BunnyLake a PM. I believe he has some stock, even though his store is offline.

Alright I'll check that out. Thanks.

[i3oilermaker]

TechKeys Ships to Europe and with free shipping on orders over $50


http://techkeys.us/collections/accessories/products/krytox-switch-lurbricant

[Ngt]

TechKeys Ships to Europe and with free shipping on orders over $50


http://techkeys.us/collections/accessories/products/krytox-switch-lurbricant

Yeah JD posted it a few posts ago. I'm not sure I'll be ordering more than $50 so I'll be paying $9 for the delivery. I'll just go for the cheapest one I can find considering it is the same product.

[VanGhost]

To apply lube with a syringe, would you just put a dot in the recommended areas or would you still use a brush or something to spread it out?

[Zeal]

I prefer using the yellow brush tip to place an even coating on the friction points.

[Ngt]

I prefer using the yellow brush tip to place an even coating on the friction points.

Yellow brush tip?

[azhdar]

I prefer using the yellow brush tip to place an even coating on the friction points.

Yellow brush tip?

http://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/geekhackers-v2-lube-kit

first time lubing, and I gotta say it's a great tool to manage a consitent lubing

[Ngt]

I prefer using the yellow brush tip to place an even coating on the friction points.

Yellow brush tip?

http://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/geekhackers-v2-lube-kit

first time lubing, and I gotta say it's a great tool to manage a consitent lubing

Thank you. Wouldn't a thin paint brush do the trick too?

[azhdar]

I prefer using the yellow brush tip to place an even coating on the friction points.

Yellow brush tip?

http://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/geekhackers-v2-lube-kit

first time lubing, and I gotta say it's a great tool to manage a consitent lubing

Thank you. Wouldn't a thin paint brush do the trick too?

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ofc why wouldn't it.

[swill]

I prefer using the yellow brush tip to place an even coating on the friction points.

Yellow brush tip?

http://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/geekhackers-v2-lube-kit

first time lubing, and I gotta say it's a great tool to manage a consitent lubing

Thank you. Wouldn't a thin paint brush do the trick too?

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Yes, I use a small nylon brush.  Keep in mind that is actually pretty easy to over lube.  If you put too much lube the switches will feel mushy for about a month or so.  I use a paint brush and I paint on a SUPER thin layer.  I am mixing my own Krytox lube (I have both oil and grease), so I had to play with it a bit before I got a mixture that I liked. 

[meow a cat]

So, today a package from Zeal arrived, and inside of it he included a lubed Gateron clear with a 62g spring. I de-soldered the Cherry escape switch off of my Phantom, and replaced it with the Gateron.

It is a REALLY smooth switch, as everyone has been saying. I'm definitely glad I joined this GB now that I've had a chance to sample one switch. 

It's like.. plastic butter.

[TheCultOfKaos]

Just ordered 100 blues, 100 browns.

Thanks a ton! Building my first keyboard for my birthday next month and was looking for a good deal. Got my waterjet class next friday so Im hoping to cut the plates these will go in soon too!

[sethk_]

Just ordered 100 blues, 100 browns.

Thanks a ton! Building my first keyboard for my birthday next month and was looking for a good deal. Got my waterjet class next friday so Im hoping to cut the plates these will go in soon too!

If you haven't already, you should check out builder.swillkb.com for building your plate w/ a case.

[wlhlm]

Just ordered 100 blues, 100 browns.

Thanks a ton! Building my first keyboard for my birthday next month and was looking for a good deal. Got my waterjet class next friday so Im hoping to cut the plates these will go in soon too!

If you haven't already, you should check out builder.swillkb.com for building your plate w/ a case.

Wow, awesome tool! Didn't know it existed.

[VanGhost]

Can anyone who is already using the switches comment on whether or not they ping the same way as MX?

[jdcarpe]

Can anyone who is already using the switches comment on whether or not they ping the same way as MX?

Switches are not what causes ping. The case and plate materials and construction are what causes ping. MX switches can be used in a quality keyboard with zero ping. And I have an IBM keyboard with tee Alps that pings like crazy. Topre don't really ping, due to the nature of the slider mechanism in the plate. That's why they thock.

[Zeal]

Some customs springs w/o lube can also ping at times.

So, today a package from Zeal arrived, and inside of it he included a lubed Gateron clear with a 62g spring. I de-soldered the Cherry escape switch off of my Phantom, and replaced it with the Gateron.

It is a REALLY smooth switch, as everyone has been saying. I'm definitely glad I joined this GB now that I've had a chance to sample one switch. 

It's like.. plastic butter.

[LXXXIX]

Can anyone who is already using the switches comment on whether or not they ping the same way as MX?

Switches are not what causes ping. The case and plate materials and construction are what causes ping. MX switches can be used in a quality keyboard with zero ping. And I have an IBM keyboard with tee Alps that pings like crazy. Topre don't really ping, due to the nature of the slider mechanism in the plate. That's why they thock.

In addition, I believe the material and thickness of keycaps also minimally contributes to "pinging." Correct me if I'm wrong please.

[awhitedev]

Looks like clears and blacks are now above 20k! Awesome! Sounds like this is a done deal then.

Have you guys spoken to Gateron about these quantities? I'm sure they are more than happy to sell you this many switches... but how's their stock? Do they envision their being supply issues?

[hwood34]

Looks like clears and blacks are now above 20k! Awesome! Sounds like this is a done deal then.

Have you guys spoken to Gateron about these quantities? I'm sure they are more than happy to sell you this many switches... but how's their stock? Do they envision their being supply issues?

The amounts we're getting right now are on the lower end of the spectrum of order size for Gateron. They can crank out a hell of a lot more than this is not a lot of time

[vindaon]

Down for a 100 each clears and blacks. I was curious if it was possible that I could submit payment now, as they both seem to have hit the 20k mark and I like to have my affairs sorted ASAP.

[ideus]

Now blues should reach the 20k.

[hwood34]

Down for a 100 each clears and blacks. I was curious if it was possible that I could submit payment now, as they both seem to have hit the 20k mark and I like to have my affairs sorted ASAP.

All invoices will be going out at the same time, sorry.

[awhitedev]

Looks like clears and blacks are now above 20k! Awesome! Sounds like this is a done deal then.

Have you guys spoken to Gateron about these quantities? I'm sure they are more than happy to sell you this many switches... but how's their stock? Do they envision their being supply issues?

The amounts we're getting right now are on the lower end of the spectrum of order size for Gateron. They can crank out a hell of a lot more than this is not a lot of time

Good to know! Thanks for clarifying.

[vindaon]

That's fine, I was expecting that answer. Figured it wouldn't hurt to ask.

[alex952]

Could someone advise on a place to get some springs for the clears? Also, what would be your choice of spring for these switches?

[Moralless]

Could someone advise on a place to get some springs for the clears? Also, what would be your choice of spring for these switches?

Here you go mate: http://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/18k-gold-plated-springs-100pcs

[Ngt]

I prefer using the yellow brush tip to place an even coating on the friction points.

Yellow brush tip?

http://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/geekhackers-v2-lube-kit

first time lubing, and I gotta say it's a great tool to manage a consitent lubing

Thank you. Wouldn't a thin paint brush do the trick too?

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Yes, I use a small nylon brush.  Keep in mind that is actually pretty easy to over lube.  If you put too much lube the switches will feel mushy for about a month or so.  I use a paint brush and I paint on a SUPER thin layer.  I am mixing my own Krytox lube (I have both oil and grease), so I had to play with it a bit before I got a mixture that I liked.

If you put too much of it, is it possible to wash it away? It seems that the Krytox doesn't evaporate so it means that if you put too much, it will still have to much of it no matter what. Or perhaps I'm missing something.

Can anyone who is already using the switches comment on whether or not they ping the same way as MX?

Switches are not what causes ping. The case and plate materials and construction are what causes ping. MX switches can be used in a quality keyboard with zero ping. And I have an IBM keyboard with tee Alps that pings like crazy. Topre don't really ping, due to the nature of the slider mechanism in the plate. That's why they thock. :)

 


What does "pinging" mean for a keyboard? Sorry for the stupid question but that's the first time I'm seeing this word used about keyboards.