I've never seen DSS but I see their profile discussed in several forums. Do they have angled stems? The profile looks bizarre to me on a flat plate.In Signature Plastics' info on DSS, it looks to me like it is closer to "OEM profile" in heights but closer to DCS in which angles the top surfaces have. I think I would personally prefer that over SA.
The DSS family is a medium height key with a spherical matte finish touch surface (similar to DSA) and a sculptured profile.
I will post some pics of the 60% board we put together next week. The DSS top surface is a matte finish like the DSA. We need to build a number of shapes before we have it production ready: R3 2.25; R4 2.75; R1 2sp; R3 stepped 1.75; R3/4 vertical 2 space (NP); ISO key; and a 6.25 R3 space bar. A R3 6u SB is already tooled. The board Melissa had at the Seattle meetup had a DCS R4 bar that matched the R4 DSS profile but was nasty to type on.
I will post some pics of the 60% board we put together next week. The DSS top surface is a matte finish like the DSA. We need to build a number of shapes before we have it production ready: R3 2.25; R4 2.75; R1 2sp; R3 stepped 1.75; R3/4 vertical 2 space (NP); ISO key; and a 6.25 R3 space bar. A R3 6u SB is already tooled. The board Melissa had at the Seattle meetup had a DCS R4 bar that matched the R4 DSS profile but was nasty to type on.
We currently mold the DSA 6u space bar with a center mount and outboard mounts 1.520" from center. The DSS 6u R3 space bar has a center mount and fixed outboard mounts at 1.880" from center. We have little info on where users would like the outboard mounts located.I will post some pics of the 60% board we put together next week. The DSS top surface is a matte finish like the DSA. We need to build a number of shapes before we have it production ready: R3 2.25; R4 2.75; R1 2sp; R3 stepped 1.75; R3/4 vertical 2 space (NP); ISO key; and a 6.25 R3 space bar. A R3 6u SB is already tooled. The board Melissa had at the Seattle meetup had a DCS R4 bar that matched the R4 DSS profile but was nasty to type on.
Are the 6u space bar's stems going to be in the same position as the 6u DSA bars, i.e. centered middle stem with outer stems that are considerably closer in than a 6u GMK bar's?
I will post some pics of the 60% board we put together next week. The DSS top surface is a matte finish like the DSA. We need to build a number of shapes before we have it production ready: R3 2.25; R4 2.75; R1 2sp; R3 stepped 1.75; R3/4 vertical 2 space (NP); ISO key; and a 6.25 R3 space bar. A R3 6u SB is already tooled. The board Melissa had at the Seattle meetup had a DCS R4 bar that matched the R4 DSS profile but was nasty to type on.
Is there already a R3 7u space bar?
Sorry if i missed and probably this has been answered already but still. How thick are the cap wals of DSS Porfile? Is it as thick as DSA or thicker?
Probably it would be nice to add some short FAQ on the front page.
Thanks.
Thanks for bringing this back! I've been waiting for it for a while! Hopefully I can afford it when it comes out. I know it's going to be popular though.
One thing I ask, is there any way to keep 5x15 Ortholinear owners in mind. Some serious mod kit on the side would be great.
One thing I ask, is there any way to keep 5x15 Ortholinear owners in mind. Some serious mod kit on the side would be great.
We currently mold the DSA 6u space bar with a center mount and outboard mounts 1.520" from center. The DSS 6u R3 space bar has a center mount and fixed outboard mounts at 1.880" from center. We have little info on where users would like the outboard mounts located.It seems as if the 6u space bar is the least standardised.
I'm definitely in for a 104 of DSS Dolch. Please include a red ESC and Return!
Thanks for bringing this back! I've been waiting for it for a while! Hopefully I can afford it when it comes out. I know it's going to be popular though.
One thing I ask, is there any way to keep 5x15 Ortholinear owners in mind. Some serious mod kit on the side would be great.
Not a problem. Send us a layout of the 'serious mod kit' you would like.
Pics of DSS family
So will people be able to use this profile to create custom sets like how they do it with SA and DSA sets?
Would love to see this in more colorways in the future. :)
Any update from SP on this?
Oh man, they just updated their website saying the new PBT and the DSS caps won't be moving forward until summer of 2019. Boo
Many of you are wondering what happened to the G20 keysets for Semiotic and Stealth. G20 was an experiment. We wanted to test market acceptance of a fairly unique shape and profile using some prototype tooling. The results were very positive and we are now in the process of designing and building new G20 production tooling. We will continue to run G20 blanks on the prototype tooling but, due to the cosmetic challenges during printing, we will not be sublimating keysets from this prototype tooling. I'm hesitant to say when the new tooling will be production ready. Our track record for release of new tooling (SA-P, DSS) has been less than stellar, but we are hoping to have pre-production sets available by the summer of 2019.
Many of you are wondering what happened to the G20 keysets for Semiotic and Stealth. G20 was an experiment. We wanted to test market acceptance of a fairly unique shape and profile using some prototype tooling. The results were very positive and we are now in the process of designing and building new G20 production tooling. We will continue to run G20 blanks on the prototype tooling but, due to the cosmetic challenges during printing, we will not be sublimating keysets from this prototype tooling. I'm hesitant to say when the new tooling will be production ready. Our track record for release of new tooling (SA-P, DSS) has been less than stellar, but we are hoping to have pre-production sets available by the summer of 2019.
Production will begin shortly on a new DSS Dolch Keyset. This is the first keyset produced since the early 80's on the once retired DSS tooling. The DSS family has a medium height, sculptured profile that is slightly shorter than SA. The spherical touch surface has a matte finish like the DSA family. We hope to have DSS Dolch Keysets available in the KeyShop by the middle of April.
My only complaint is that there is no stepped caps lock key, just a regular 1.75u with an off-centre stem (at least that's how it seems from the pictures).Yikes. Pressing that off-centre would be like using a ANSI Enter key without stabilisers
I don’t understand the row profiles. I guess that DSS R1 is the same as DSA R3, and all the other rows angle “towards the top” like SA R4? That’s a really odd profile family, if you ask me.The angles are standard, comparable to most vintage keyboards and keyboards with cylindrical keycaps such as DCS.
I don’t understand the row profiles. I guess that DSS R1 is the same as DSA R3, and all the other rows angle “towards the top” like SA R4? That’s a really odd profile family, if you ask me.
DSA never had an ISO Enter key; DSS will be shipping with the same DCS ISO Enter key that DSA sets always have.
BTW, did DSS Dolch sell out already, or is it simply not out yet?
I don’t understand the row profiles. I guess that DSS R1 is the same as DSA R3, and all the other rows angle “towards the top” like SA R4? That’s a really odd profile family, if you ask me.
DSA never had an ISO Enter key; DSS will be shipping with the same DCS ISO Enter key that DSA sets always have.
BTW, did DSS Dolch sell out already, or is it simply not out yet?
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It's very similar to DCS if you look at the picture above. SA has a kind of weird curved sculpt with no step between rows. Most 'normal' sculpted profiles like DCS or Cherry have a step down from each row to the one below it, as does DSS.
Also, where did you get that info about the ISO enter? Earlier in this thread they said they'd be making a DSS ISO key.
Ah, okay, it all makes sense now. DSS is sorta like a spherical Cherry profile. I will definitely give it a try, but I confess I was hoping it would like a lower profile version of SA (kinda how DSA is a lower profile version of SA row3). SA is my favorite keycap family, so...
Ah, okay, it all makes sense now. DSS is sorta like a spherical Cherry profile. I will definitely give it a try, but I confess I was hoping it would like a lower profile version of SA (kinda how DSA is a lower profile version of SA row3). SA is my favorite keycap family, so...
Sounds like JTK should have you covered on that front with their "half height SA"-like profile. Not to distract from the topic at hand.
Ah, okay, it all makes sense now. DSS is sorta like a spherical Cherry profile. I will definitely give it a try, but I confess I was hoping it would like a lower profile version of SA (kinda how DSA is a lower profile version of SA row3). SA is my favorite keycap family, so...
Sounds like JTK should have you covered on that front with their "half height SA"-like profile. Not to distract from the topic at hand.
Isn't JTK pretty much an exact replica of cherry profile?? Or do they have more than one profile they use??
On topic I want to try DSS profile.
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Ah, okay, it all makes sense now. DSS is sorta like a spherical Cherry profile. I will definitely give it a try, but I confess I was hoping it would like a lower profile version of SA (kinda how DSA is a lower profile version of SA row3). SA is my favorite keycap family, so...
Sounds like JTK should have you covered on that front with their "half height SA"-like profile. Not to distract from the topic at hand.
Isn't JTK pretty much an exact replica of cherry profile?? Or do they have more than one profile they use??
On topic I want to try DSS profile.
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Isn't JTK pretty much an exact replica of cherry profile?? Or do they have more than one profile they use??
On topic I want to try DSS profile.
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I was looking at the DSS Dolch kits again, and I realized I don't see a 1.75U shift in there anywhere.It's at the bottom of the image of the Pro Modifier set (https://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-ktpi93fl/products/274/images/1658/pro_mod__76692.1558638229.1280.1280.jpg?c=2).
Ah, okay, it all makes sense now. DSS is sorta like a spherical Cherry profile. I will definitely give it a try, but I confess I was hoping it would like a lower profile version of SA (kinda how DSA is a lower profile version of SA row3). SA is my favorite keycap family, so...
Sounds like JTK should have you covered on that front with their "half height SA"-like profile. Not to distract from the topic at hand.
Isn't JTK pretty much an exact replica of cherry profile?? Or do they have more than one profile they use??
On topic I want to try DSS profile.
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Yes, JTK is a cherry profile clone. I’ve never heard of JTK making an SA profile. That’s news to me
That top surface texture... why??
You guys could/should have done a community poll on this. I would be surprised if "textured like DSA" won out over "smooth like SA".
Isn't JTK pretty much an exact replica of cherry profile?? Or do they have more than one profile they use??
On topic I want to try DSS profile.
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Yeah, they do the cherry caps, but are also developing the new lower SA profile. Pictures have been posted in the chinese community: https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/14066 (https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/14066) and https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/14017 (https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/14017)
Also on topic... I've never really liked Dolch's brownish grey, but I'm psyched for DSS so will probably pick up this first set anyway.
This was existing tooling (except for a few shapes), not something new we built.
That top surface texture... why??
You guys could/should have done a community poll on this. I would be surprised if "textured like DSA" won out over "smooth like SA".
Yes the surface texture isn't ideal for me. Maybe some people prefer it though.
That top surface texture... why??
You guys could/should have done a community poll on this. I would be surprised if "textured like DSA" won out over "smooth like SA".
Yes the surface texture isn't ideal for me. Maybe some people prefer it though.
I prefer textured :)
This was existing tooling (except for a few shapes), not something new we built.
what case is this?Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=93584.0;attach=186998;image)
I would have loved to see a 1.75u R3 “Fn” keycap. It is not uncommon for 60% users to configure the Caps Lock key to be a left-side Fn key.
It would also be good to have a source for extra spacebars given that these are ABS.
But other than that, the set looks great! Already ordered mine.
This was existing tooling (except for a few shapes), not something new we built.@SMKNGNZ Any idea when the ortho kit will be available?
They didn't have me at hello like the MDA profile, but they are nice to type on. The dolch coloured caps block light nicely, while the white on red, not so much.
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I do like how the 7u space doesn't cut into one's thumbs. I was afraid it was going to be like DCS all over again. LOL
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The Pro mod set included "R1" 1.5 BS. At first I thought it was a photo error, but it wasn't. HHK Layout cannot be set up correctly: (
Will it be fixed in the future?
Also, I would like you to support the right column of 65%.
No it won't. Only double-shot. We went down that road with the double-shot (ABS) SA tooling and were very unhappy with the results, especially with the darker PBT colors. Because of the large void left to fill without a first shot insert to balance the wall thickness, the parts were subject to sink, warping, flow lines, you name it. We see the same results, to a lesser degree, with the DSA tooling which was also designed for double-shot ABS molding. New DSA PBT molds are in the schedule with a late '18 early '19 completion.What about blanks? I noticed a 1.25u row 3 cap with a legend, can it be ordered without?
R1 1.5 BACKSPACE replacement support announced.
Check product page.Thank you, SP.
They didn't have me at hello like the MDA profile, but they are nice to type on. The dolch coloured caps block light nicely, while the white on red, not so much.
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I do like how the 7u space doesn't cut into one's thumbs. I was afraid it was going to be like DCS all over again. LOL
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Folks in this thread might want to look atFor the record, @jacobolus, you're my keyboards hero.
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DSS used on Cherry MX switches should be substantially similar to the keycap profile used on old IBM Beam Spring and Honeywell Hall Effect keyboards from the 1970s.