(solved) Will these o-rings fit Dsa caps???

[trentva]

 purchased this set of o-rings http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001D8BYJ4/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 they are really thick..i was wondering if they will fit these Dsa Pbt blanks http://www.keycapsdirect.com/marketplace.php thanks! for reference this is a picture of the o-ring on a corsair k70 keycap..i believe these are standard stem length caps but i'm not positive...thanks!

sorry posted in wrong forum...

[SpAmRaY]

I can't answer your question but wanted to say be careful with orings and DSA I've seen people break/crack stems using them together.

[Oobly]

They should fit from what I can tell from the pictures here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49485.msg1070433#msg1070433

The SP DSA caps don't have cross-pieces, so there may be a little more space between the keyswitch top and the underside of the keycap top than the standard ABS caps that come on most boards. So they should work as well, if not better than on stock caps.

I'm not sure if you'll be able to get the caps to seat completely on the stems due to the thickness of the orings, although if the stock caps go on all the way, the DSA should too.

Also, the DSA caps usually have a tighter fit on the stem than OEM profile caps since they were originally designed for "tough" equipment use.

[trentva]

for sure, thanks i've read some horror stories about the sp dsa caps...im not sure i want to use them at this point...

[ideus]

Also, the DSA caps usually have a tighter fit on the stem than OEM profile caps since they were originally designed for "tough" equipment use.



Interesting. Do you have a link, or picture of an example of this original DSA application you referred to?

[ideus]

for sure, thanks i've read some horror stories about the sp dsa caps...im not sure i want to use them at this point...

Could you point some links to some of those horror stories, please?

[yasuo]

really maybe i not so,order DSA

[SpAmRaY]

There was a bad batch of DSA caps due to some tooling but SP should have fixed that  a while ago.

DSA caps are meant to be somewhat tighter due to their industrial applications.

[ideus]

There was a bad batch of DSA caps due to some tooling but SP should have fixed that  a while ago.

DSA caps are meant to be somewhat tighter due to their industrial applications.

What are those industrial applications? Links? Pictures?

[SpAmRaY]

There was a bad batch of DSA caps due to some tooling but SP should have fixed that  a while ago.

DSA caps are meant to be somewhat tighter due to their industrial applications.

What are those industrial applications? Links? Pictures?

http://keycapsdirect.com/faq.php#22

[ideus]

There was a bad batch of DSA caps due to some tooling but SP should have fixed that  a while ago.

DSA caps are meant to be somewhat tighter due to their industrial applications.

What are those industrial applications? Links? Pictures?

http://keycapsdirect.com/faq.php#22

We should lean on the accuracy of SP's statement. There is no warrant for the claim though.

[SpAmRaY]

There was a bad batch of DSA caps due to some tooling but SP should have fixed that  a while ago.

DSA caps are meant to be somewhat tighter due to their industrial applications.

What are those industrial applications? Links? Pictures?

http://keycapsdirect.com/faq.php#22

We should lean on the accuracy of SP's statement. There is no warrant for the claim though.

Not sure what you mean?

SP is the manufacturer they should know what they are talking about.

[ideus]

There was a bad batch of DSA caps due to some tooling but SP should have fixed that  a while ago.

DSA caps are meant to be somewhat tighter due to their industrial applications.

What are those industrial applications? Links? Pictures?

http://keycapsdirect.com/faq.php#22

We should lean on the accuracy of SP's statement. There is no warrant for the claim though.

Not sure what you mean?

SP is the manufacturer they should know what they are talking about.

That's what I meant. They should know, of course. But I wonder what kind of applications they are referring to in the statement. I worked more the 2 decades in the automotive industry as industrial engineer, and I never saw an industrial keyboard fitted with DSA caps. So, what kind of industrial applications they are talking about? Maybe retail point of sales? Maybe airline counters?

[SpAmRaY]

There was a bad batch of DSA caps due to some tooling but SP should have fixed that  a while ago.

DSA caps are meant to be somewhat tighter due to their industrial applications.

What are those industrial applications? Links? Pictures?

http://keycapsdirect.com/faq.php#22

We should lean on the accuracy of SP's statement. There is no warrant for the claim though.

Not sure what you mean?

SP is the manufacturer they should know what they are talking about.

That's what I meant. They should know, of course. But I wonder what kind of applications they are referring to in the statement. I worked more the 2 decades in the automotive industry as industrial engineer, and I never saw an industrial keyboard fitted with DSA caps. So, what kind of industrial applications they are talking about? Maybe retail point of sales? Maybe airline counters?

If I had to guess it would be point of sale. But SP is involved in all sorts of industry so only they really know and they probably wouldn't say

I know in my many crap bags a lot of the DSA caps seem to be made for some sort of playback device based on the legends.

[ideus]

There was a bad batch of DSA caps due to some tooling but SP should have fixed that  a while ago.

DSA caps are meant to be somewhat tighter due to their industrial applications.

What are those industrial applications? Links? Pictures?

http://keycapsdirect.com/faq.php#22

We should lean on the accuracy of SP's statement. There is no warrant for the claim though.

Not sure what you mean?

SP is the manufacturer they should know what they are talking about.

That's what I meant. They should know, of course. But I wonder what kind of applications they are referring to in the statement. I worked more the 2 decades in the automotive industry as industrial engineer, and I never saw an industrial keyboard fitted with DSA caps. So, what kind of industrial applications they are talking about? Maybe retail point of sales? Maybe airline counters?

If I had to guess it would be point of sale. But SP is involved in all sorts of industry so only they really know and they probably wouldn't say

I know in my many crap bags a lot of the DSA caps seem to be made for some sort of playback device based on the legends.

Well, the question was because some fellow GH are running interest checks for new sets, and one, that interested me is in DSA profile. If these profile caps may brake my keyboard stems, I wonder if it is a good idea to get them, after all.

[trentva]

the horror stories i read, were in some reviews i read here at geekhack..i guess you just need to be really careful when removing the caps else the stems can brake due to the tight fit. on another note in the review linked below you can see pictures of the keycaps having different moldings..so they wouldn't seat properly and maybe be loose fitting..wobbly..here's the link http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45795.0

[Oobly]

A lot of workshop machines had keyboards with DSA caps. You can see examples on older CNC machines, instrument controllers and other industrial machines. Early data centres were also rather less refined than server rooms, with a lot more mechanical machines, more hands-on work and chances of keyboards being dropped onto hard concrete floors.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TAKISAWA-MAC-V3-CNC-MACHINE-FANUC-SYSTEM-6M-CONTROL-OPERATOR-PANEL-KEYBOARD-/181124064344

http://l.mashby.com/PAsQ+

http://www.cncgalore.com/allen-bradley-7300-cnc-machine-keyboard-634284a-9-vdk-2-941-b2-634285a-amp-boards

http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102689947

[SpAmRaY]

Well, the question was because some fellow GH are running interest checks for new sets, and one, that interested me is in DSA profile. If these profile caps may brake my keyboard stems, I wonder if it is a good idea to get them, after all.

The trick is to be careful and easy when removing caps, the fact that DSA caps fit a bit tight is no reason not to get them.

Also the switch type plays a factor as well as clear stems seem to have a tighter fit than say blacks or browns.

the horror stories i read, were in some reviews i read here at geekhack..i guess you just need to be really careful when removing the caps else the stems can brake due to the tight fit. on another note in the review linked below you can see pictures of the keycaps having different moldings..so they wouldn't seat properly and maybe be loose fitting..wobbly..here's the link http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45795.0

Yes the problems with those DSA caps was bad tooling which as far as I know SP has now fixed.