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Offline LoveYouFyi

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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #50 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 15:19:44 »
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It seems to me that the word "destroy" is a needless exaggeration. If you honestly believe that "destroy" is the right word to use, then I would say you are being an alarmist.

Um, I'm not being alarmist.  The choice of words helps put emphasis where it belongs.  And, using the word "destroy" is not inappropriate.  Perhaps you want to review the definition. 
I'm not trying to offend anyone.  If I owned a bull dog, and someone tells me "be careful with that thing, they've been known to destroy your furniture, and by the way, if you have a baby you need to keep that think away from it because it may kill it" ... I suppose I could CHOOSE to be offended by that... or by anything really.  But I try to keep an open mind and take information in, process it, use what I think it applicable and discard what I think is not. 

Sorry if I offended anyone with my 'alarmist' discussion. 

Offline zslane

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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #51 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 15:33:43 »
Um, I'm not being alarmist.

Um, yes you are.  :rolleyes:

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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #52 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 15:35:06 »
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If I ever experience chronic pain in my finger joints, there will be no way to tell if it is from typing or from playing piano, guitar, and oboe. I'm no more likely to give up typing on a switch I enjoy than I am to give up playing music. I've noticed that what passes for health advice around here tends to just be a form of (largely irrelevant) ergonomic evangelism.

Um, that's fine.  Why are you messaging me with your hate email about the keys you enjoy so much?  I posted an open topic on here about feedback of my experience, and also many people's problems with typing too long on these mechanical keyboards we all use, and what can be done to alleviate some possible future problems.

Consider working on building your self esteem to a point where you can read some informative information and process it without allowing it to distort your feelings so much that you need to lash out.

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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 15:48:35 »
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You posted an entire thread about the same thing, then claim here that it's a joke.

Why would you post this in a dedicated thread if you were joking?

No.. I am not joking that topre is destroying fingers.  I was joking about citing the ages, and time it takes.  People here can sure get touchy.  I prescribe those of you who replied to me with angst and anger in your messages to relax.  Take information in, process it, use what is useful to you and discard what is not... and breath... No need to get all offended...

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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 21:13:12 »
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You posted an entire thread about the same thing, then claim here that it's a joke.

Why would you post this in a dedicated thread if you were joking?

No.. I am not joking that topre is destroying fingers.  I was joking about citing the ages, and time it takes.  People here can sure get touchy.  I prescribe those of you who replied to me with angst and anger in your messages to relax.  Take information in, process it, use what is useful to you and discard what is not... and breath... No need to get all offended...
This has to be an elaborate troll

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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 21:48:04 »
/headscratch..


why goerik why ?

You're a nobody

Geekhackers are mostly nobodies...


You're a nobody saying weird stuff to attract the attention of yet more nobodies..


Offline clappingcactus

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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 21:48:26 »
Speaking of lashing out. :rolleyes:

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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #57 on: Tue, 17 October 2017, 02:49:52 »
/headscratch..


why goerik why ?

You're a nobody

Geekhackers are mostly nobodies...


You're a nobody saying weird stuff to attract the attention of yet more nobodies..
Loser! You're a loser!


Offline zslane

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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #58 on: Tue, 17 October 2017, 11:48:02 »
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You posted an entire thread about the same thing, then claim here that it's a joke.

Why would you post this in a dedicated thread if you were joking?

No.. I am not joking that topre is destroying fingers.  I was joking about citing the ages, and time it takes.  People here can sure get touchy.  I prescribe those of you who replied to me with angst and anger in your messages to relax.  Take information in, process it, use what is useful to you and discard what is not... and breath... No need to get all offended...
This has to be an elaborate troll

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I don't think he's a troll per se; but I do think he's been drinking way too much of his own Kool-Aid.

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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #59 on: Wed, 18 October 2017, 10:50:54 »
/headscratch..


why goerik why ?

You're a nobody

Geekhackers are mostly nobodies...


You're a nobody saying weird stuff to attract the attention of yet more nobodies..
Loser! You're a loser!



I am not using -nobody- as a means of derogation.

I am merely saying, there's no utility to that type of behavior.

Offline iLLucionist

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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #60 on: Wed, 18 October 2017, 16:11:54 »
Tp4, It is obviously a curse with us. Look I am just going to say this and everyone can stone me. The quality of Topre is a friggin' joke for $250+. They are probably in japan saying "Stupid White folks lining our pockets". I have a feeling that in Japan actual businesses, Schools etc. pay like $80USD. A single fanboy maybe pays $150 in Japan. Just guessing. There is just no way these $5 rubber domes cost 300 bucks. So many hate China for this but I love them for it. This is going to eventually change of course. One day we will be paying $300 for Chinese rubber domes. Japan Won't even bother making them then. Game over. I own 7 Topre based boards and I think I can attest to what they really are. Some things cost $$ to make but I doubt this.

Honest question, not flaming: how is the quality of Topre a joke? What is wrong with it?
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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #61 on: Wed, 18 October 2017, 16:15:01 »
They are FAR more reliable than Cherry..because there is less that can go wrong...less that wears out...

Switch to switch (if you count each topre switch as an individual) then they're probably pretty close as far as how many times they can be used...

But the nature of Topre vs. MX means you'll have far more problems with MX...Too much reliance on soldering..it just means you have points of failure that have little to do with the switch itself...plus you have contact points, things that wear, etc...

That's why you hear about people often having an issue with a specific key not working, etc or going bad...whereas I can't even recall a time when people are having that issue with Topre....

In fact, I'm not sure I've even heard of anyone having an issue with the rubber wearing out..yet...I'm sure it'll happen at some point though...

The new Chinese/Korean Topre like keyboards are not an improvement although I do like that they've included silencing..it helps make them sound a bit better because without it there is a lot more clanking going on...I also like that they've gone the MX route as far as keycaps.  Win/Wine as far as I'm concerned...For me it provides an alternative..maybe something I'd leave at work because I'd be less worried about it...all for pushing prices down because of competition....

Unfortunately, I am actually experiencing that now with my black HHKB. It feels... super stiff. Compared to my newer white HHKB and my 87UB 55g, it feels cheap, worn out, scratchy even.
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Offline Polymer

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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #62 on: Thu, 19 October 2017, 17:03:20 »
I have a HHKB from 2007 and it isn't like that at all...

Topres get smoother as you use them more...they're already smooth but definitely smoother and that doesn't change with age.

I think the rubber gets ever so slightly stiffer...

But I haven't seen the domes fail yet..as in they're falling apart...

If you're getting scratchiness maybe your sliders have gotten worn out..I wouldn't think that would be easily possible but I suppose it is...or maybe it is dirt...

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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 02 January 2018, 21:54:00 »
35g is too light to be an improvement over anything :))
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Re: Chinese improvement on Topre?
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 03 January 2018, 12:21:22 »
35g is too light to be an improvement over anything :))

Agreed.  :thumb: