Nice - thanks for the info Sixty!
I'm curious if the Leopold with browns is quieter than the Filco with browns. The Filco with browns was always too loud to me.
Now, if only I can get one in white, with no legends... :PIn do time...hopefully
People buying mechanical keyboards don't generally impulse buy. Although it could be that EK is just finalizing the arrangements.
not sure abt the PBT part, some ppl mentioned that they couldn't make clear "keycaps windows" because PBT isn't clear... maybe they found a way a overcome that problem, who knows?
http://www.pcwaishe.cn/archiver/tid-35681.html Leopold> made my Costar, but... no sources
the cable channels are definitely better than Ducky's
Ya know (I'm in Welly multispam thread mode so no stopping me now), the revelation of MuchAdoAboutNothing plays perfectly into Majestouch's hands. This allows Sixty to release the review early. This allows the Ducky Train to get derailed. This means people buy things for Christmas that their GFs and wives really want instead of keyboards.
Hmmmm....
Where's Moogle? That Dead Ducky.Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13861&stc=1&d=1291749956)
Who gives a rip what the clear part is made of?
Are the Chinese complaining about shiny LED windows? Don't they have drugs for OCD over there? Or some exotic tea shaped like Deer Dung?
What are those LED's on the function keys for anyways?
Ya know (I'm in Welly multispam thread mode so no stopping me now), the revelation of MuchAdoAboutNothing plays perfectly into Majestouch's hands. This allows Sixty to release the review early. This allows the Ducky Train to get derailed. This means people buy things for Christmas that their GFs and wives really want instead of keyboards
Or... PCHome starts stocking Leopold 'boards, GHers freak, start buying them, SOs are terribly disappointed, Brian is pissed. It could go either way. It just depends on if the competition is watching or not.
majestouch
Are you going to keep your username?
I never associated "Majestouch" with Filco anyway. Must be some asian thing.
In USA I think of it as "He Got Da Magic Touch".
The detachable cable would be a HUGE deal to me. Then I could swap my HHKB and this so easily...
If I just had one cable for both, I might actually use more than just one keyboard.
That shouldn't happen. Check the insides for loose connectors. PCB to miniPCB. Check. MiniPCB to External Connect. Check. External to Cable. Check.
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Hmm...
No-one else noticed the poor quality look of the soldering on the PCB photo?
It looks a LOT worse than my Ducky 9008, and I had to resolder the spacebar on this Ducky to get it to work properly!
That shouldn't happen.
This Leopold board seems to address (almost?) all concerns with Filco boards that I've seen/heard.
bwahahahaha.
Geekhackers will think of something new. Trust me.
I'm still getting over the "Topre Fart".
http://www.pcwaishe.cn/archiver/tid-35681.html Leopold> made my Costar, but... no sources
Also, to show what I meant by poor key alignment and spacing in the other thread:
Hmm...
No-one else noticed the poor quality look of the soldering on the PCB photo?
Nothing new, but..
- No one should be a fan of domed WinVista keys
Founded in 2005, they already released several products aimed at keyboard enthusiasts such as the first ever Filco double-shot keycaps, exclusively limited Topre Realforce keyboards and more recently WASD gaming keycaps made of rubber!
Actually this is a bit more complicated to solve. As far as I understand it if you release a keyboard for the "mass market" and want to have windows keys on your keyboard, you need to follow that 200 page long Microsoft document. The latest revisions of such documents forces you to use domed keys.
This is why the blank Filcos and replacement keycaps could have it, but not the actual keyboards.
Filco double shots ??? where :d ?? I hope your not talking about those skulls :X I was hoping for some regular doubleshots with the proper letterings. Those doubleshot/triple shot skulls may as well be blanks to me :x
The solder quality is fine overall. Keep in mind that most of the solder points shown in my single PCB photo are actually dead solder points for the missing international keys and do not actually hold a switch.
Also, to show what I meant by poor key alignment and spacing in the other thread:
Actually this is a bit more complicated to solve. As far as I understand it if you release a keyboard for the "mass market" and want to have windows keys on your keyboard, you need to follow that 200 page long Microsoft document. The latest revisions of such documents forces you to use domed keys.
This is why the blank Filcos and replacement keycaps could have it, but not the actual keyboards.
If the distance from the base of keycap to the strike surface is less than 2.7mm, the keycap qualifies as a very short keycap. Keycap height is determined by measuring from the base of the keycap to the highest point, not including any post or other mounting hardware (if present). See Figure 8 for an illustration of how to measure keycap height. Keycaps with a very short keycap height may use a fully-polished circle with an optional reveal (or in the case of painted keycaps, a circle applied to the Windows Flag Logo) or a printed graphic instead of a dome with a chamfer if vertical height of the keycap makes a dome and chamfer impractical. On a very short keycap, if a dome is not implemented, the following set of requirements must be implemented:
Wow, who knew there were so many rules around designing a Windows key?
Add information to the Key Reference Wiki in this...
Found the Windows logo key thingy (http://download.microsoft.com/download/d/e/1/de1e0c8f-a222-47bc-b78b-1656d4cf3cf7/HardwareStartButtonV102.doc).
So thats where the extra cost comes from!
-MoogleHaahaa, I just caught your reply =P
I can't afford it! LuLz XD
it's not 100% guarantee, my ducky 9008 doesn't like the cable at all taken out while the computers on. I have to pull it the cable from the USB port completely to get ducky to work again. My 1087 ducky doesn't seem to be affected though.
Awesome. I was crossing my fingers for Leopold.
hell, I'll list a few reasons:
2. made in Korea
so excite, hope i have money left over for a tenkeyless!
Do you guys think this is better than the RK-9000?
If the leds are as bright as the ones on the ducky then, yes.
Four double-shot Esc keycaps, not six. The two I gave you (white-on-orange Leopold, black-on-yellow escaping guy), a white-on-red escaping guy, and a plain white-on-red Esc (instead of the white-on-red keyboard logo, part of the set sold separately, for some reason).
What about keyboard co?
They have Filco :)Are Leopold and Filco mutually exclusive?
Wait, what's this about the Leopold pricing? Has it actually been confirmed to be cheaper than that of Filcos?I expect competetive prices but not significantly cheaper. If the Leopold keyboard can match a Majestouch in terms of build quality etc., a cheaper price would point to the Filco being overpriced wouldn't it? Shhh, perhaps it is :)
Are Leopold and Filco mutually exclusive?
is it true the human ladies in australia are hot?
If the leds are as bright as the ones on the ducky then, yes.
Shines through indeed!
Doesn't shine through Das blanks keycaps on my Ducky. I can see the blue light on the back plate but it's not shining through the key.
Wha - I give you three links and you want more?
Oh that's right, you're in Australia. You can try calling AusPc.
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Thats what i meant...so you can see the glow of the led under the keycap. Thats good to know. I dont suppose i could convince you to take a picture with the lights off/low. Curious how it looks.
That sounded oddly sexual...
Yes, my lord. Right away.
As you can see, from the angle you mostly look at the keyboard (if you look at the keyboard) you can hardly see any light, but from straight up from the keyboard the light is fairly visible.
Yes, my lord. Right away.
As you can see, from the angle you mostly look at the keyboard (if you look at the keyboard) you can hardly see any light, but from straight up from the keyboard the light is fairly visible.
Nice, thank you. You can see it good enough to tell if its on or not, so thats good. I suppose you could also take a very tiny drill bit and drill a small hole through the side or top of the keycap if you wanted better visibility.
I planned on ordering a set of blanks along with the leopold when EK stocks it, but was a bit worried about the led window. That eases my mind some, i may try the drill idea as well and post it up in the mods section.
Thanks again Iodine!
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I just want the keyboard symbol key.
The Unicode is:
Wingdings 0x37
Too bad the forum SW doesn't do Wingdings.
I used this keyboard nonstop for two days now and the spacebar developed a shine almost similar to my Filco. This was the case with the Black Widow too. I am not even overreacting, two days! Seriously... I must be sweating acid.
Ow. OWWWW!
this is up... Majestouch, EK, please get more of these in, keep these well stocked, I want to buy a couple in Feb/March.
http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,cases&pid=leo_tkb001
this is up... Majestouch, EK, please get more of these in, keep these well stocked, I want to buy a couple in Feb/March.
http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,cases&pid=leo_tkb001
this is up... Majestouch, EK, please get more of these in, keep these well stocked, I want to buy a couple in Feb/March.
http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,cases&pid=leo_tkb001
looking at elitekeyboards website, and seeing that they offer that Filco-keycap puller for $5 (http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,keytools&pid=pls118) and then looking at my pricelist and seeing that scratchy plastic-toy thinghy costs $5:
Wouldn't it be better to get a bunch of these from elitekeyboards and ship them along with the key caps?
Maybe we should figure out who makes them and get one with our own branding too.
Hooleon makes that type too:
http://www.hooleon.com/products/keyboards-accessories-tools-puller-wire (http://www.hooleon.com/products/keyboards-accessories-tools-puller-wire)
Maybe if we order 50ish, the price decreases and we could possibly still have it geekhack branded?
this is up... Majestouch, EK, please get more of these in, keep these well stocked, I want to buy a couple in Feb/March.
http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,cases&pid=leo_tkb001
O.O
Just ordered. I've been wanting something like this for a while. Now I just need one for a full size keyboard.
seriously? $50 for that simple of a bag? You guys realize their gross margin on those things must be through the roof. costs $5 to make I bet you anything.
seriously? $50 for that simple of a bag? You guys realize their gross margin on those things must be through the roof. costs $5 to make I bet you anything.
seriously? $50 for that simple of a bag? You guys realize their gross margin on those things must be through the roof. costs $5 to make I bet you anything.
The money is in Red ESC keys.
seriously? $50 for that simple of a bag? You guys realize their gross margin on those things must be through the roof. costs $5 to make I bet you anything.
seriously? $50 for that simple of a bag? You guys realize their gross margin on those things must be through the roof. costs $5 to make I bet you anything.
yeah... I'm sure they don't make that much on keyboards so this is where they cash in I'm guessing. Still, this is almost as bad as buying HDMI cables from bestbuy or fs.
I agree with you here. I bought a few 6 foot hdmi cables on newegg for 3 dollars each free shipping.
If not Slumdog Millionairres
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Anyone have an update on when they will get the keyboards? I only plan on getting one mechanical keyboard, and keeping it for a while, so i'm trying to find the best deal, and fully explore my options ^_^
Lastly people are complaining about a nice $50 bag but not a $70 palm rest.......-doober
And we still haven't figured out if the Ducky is real leather or compressed duck bills despite Pandas supposedly having a keen sense of smell. But then, I find most of these asian keyboards confusing.
Nothing. That's why I included links in the WW Shopping Wiki. But if you are in the USA the $50 or so in shipping is pretty painful.
But will Elitekeyboards ship nice thick Cherry keys as an option?
That's the $40 question (don't want the price to be tooooooo high).
P.S. If you get to keep the keyboard for free you should mention that in the OP. FCC regs. (I love razzing EU members with FCC regulations for a change).
Nothing. That's why I included links in the WW Shopping Wiki. But if you are in the USA the $50 or so in shipping is pretty painful.
Put some new keycaps on my Leopold sample today. This is where the Leopold shines. Since it has no branding, leds or any type of annoying logo it looks very sleek with blank keycaps.
...to avoid it shining through...
does anyone know when the leopold will be available at the ek shop? i need a new keyboard (tenkeyless) because i m selling my 104 filco...
do you guys think i should buy a filco tenkeyless or wait or the new leopold?
Sixty, if you get to keep the keyboard for free you really should mention it in the OP.
Elitekeyboards have been kind enough to hook me up with a sample unit
oh man thats really long time till the end of february :(
Thanks, I guess "sample unit" works.
Lol. Nothing personal. You should have seen what happened at OCN when Manyak reviewed a Black Widow and surprisingly enough Razer never bothered to ask for the "Sample" back.
oh man thats really long time till the end of february :(
At this point I wonder if getting the rosewill RK-9000 would almost be the same thing without the extra months of weighting. I never thought I would first hand experience this, but some keys in my keytronic are actually starting to get a lot softer than others.
when you typed out "weighting" did you not realize it is "waiting"?
also I watched the FTC video and it is very informative.
-doober
PS Ripster you are just jealous that Sixty got the "sample" and you didn't :)
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lol, I just rotated the picture of my monitor 180 degrees so I could read those posts more easily. And the content of all those posts..
Any closer idea of when this will come out? Do we know if there is a mailing list to hop on to so we're notified on release day or shortly before? Also, am I right to expect an otaku version or a blank keyset available at aftermarket? I think the latter may be better so we can get flat win keys. I imagine the key sets will be harder to produce because of the led inserts, but even without the inserts, from the pictures in here I think it would acceptably notify the user of it's activation...
Either way, I can't wait to get a cherry brown tenkeyless.
Still waiting patiently to get this keyboard. Really interested in it. :D
Still waiting patiently to get this keyboard. Really interested in it. :D
What a fantastic forum. In the past week or so I've gone from being someone who didn't know diddly squat about keyboards to being ready to buy a mechanical keyboard and having it down to a relatively short list of contenders.
I will wait patiently until they release an 'otaku' clone. It seems like the days are excruciatingly long.
I couldn't wait and ordered it from an asian website. Really nice board, and I would advise you keep waiting instead of pulling the trigger on something else (not that I've actually tried anything else, but this thing is quite amazing).
Your choice. But the Filco is a safe route, no gambling involved.
The removable USB cable alone is worth the wait. (or, in my case, worth the extra expense of buying an Archiss now)
Is nobody here annoyed by the cheap plastic-box sound of the Filco? ;/ For it's price it's pretty much a joke.
Is nobody here annoyed by the cheap plastic-box sound of the Filco? ;/ For it's price it's pretty much a joke.
I apologize if this has been already answered, but will these come with blue switches as an option?
Also, can I use regular kbc keycaps on the caps lock and scroll lock keys?
I apologize if this has been already answered, but will these come with blue switches as an option?
Also, can I use regular kbc keycaps on the caps lock and scroll lock keys?
Signature Plastics are unable to make them as well.
The Leopold/Archiss spacebar is a kind of its own. There is no other board that is compatible with them. Signature Plastics are unable to make them as well. So you will have to keep using the stock spacebar, or mod one.
Capslock and all other keys from Ducky will fit fine.
I have two questions about the build of the leopold.
1) If the keyboard is about an inch longer than the filco, are the leopold keys thicker than normal keys or are the filco keys just small?
2) Should I wait for EK to stock the leopold or should i go for the filcos from keyboardco.
Im very low on money so this is an issue as well. Keyboardco = $150 where as im hoping the leopolds on EK will be about $120
It is indeed true that the Archiss spacebar is different than most others, but replacement options could be a possibility ;)
...if you own a factory of gnomes.
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EK is being annoying. They can't even update their site with an arrival date? I don't understand why they wouldn't at least start taking preorders. If they have no news by March I'm definitely never buying anything from them.
Does that board have a "WTF" key? The "/" next to right shift looks like it says "WTF" on it.:suspicious:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=15310&page=4#52 (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=15310&page=4#52)
Hi Jonathan,
Leopold keyboards will be offered for sale in February (shipping in the end
of Feb.). We'll announce the preorder in our newsletter. No price has
been set yet.
Best Regards,
Brian
Actually, the one who needs that WTF key is your skeliton (Ripster). He's got the F, but ran out of room for the other two!
EDIT: unless that is a "T" above the left arrow, but then my JOAK isn't as funny...
originally posted by phillyoverclocker
i will check them out. I don't want to tell the pricks over at gh that it is for an ocn keyboard. You should have seen the jealous flame threads floating around there when ocn announced these things. I'm not going to give them the ammunition.
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I wasn't looking too forward to my Leo showing up after all the stuff I read here, but upon receiving it, I was pleasantly surprised! The keycaps are terrific, mine stays perfectly in place, and the build quality is great. I know some didn't like the stabilizers as well, but they do not bother me in the least.
It is definitely head and shoulders above the ducky 1087 and on par with the Filco in my opinion. It's very nice and solid, with a good amount of weight to it. Will it keep me from going back to my SSK? Not sure yet, but I am using it for now :)
Yeah, I am also loving mine. I'm not sure if some people got boards with lame stabilizers or if I am not as picky, but they feel just fine to me. This board is everything I wanted and the detachable USB cable is awesome for portability. I'm very happy with it. ^_^
The Leo is not a BAD board, I'm just used to Filcos which...are better. :) You can't deny the difference in quality if they're side by side.
The Leo is better than anything you're going to find in Best Buy, it's not crap, the Filco is just better.
In what way, could you elaborate? The Leo is the first mech I have so I have no basis for comparison.
Really, everything. The quality of the keys, the chassis, the stabilizers, the feel.
It's like comparing a Volkswagen and an Audi. It's just an unfair comparison. One is made for normal people, one is for discerning persons of taste.
I own 2 Filcos and a Leopold and I can tell you, if you REALLY care about having the BEST out there...get a Filco. Leopold feels like the consumer version. Pretty good but not top tier, not at all.
Let some people play on my Leo after I got. Had some positive comments about the blues switches but overall people were pretty iffy on the board. Didn't really convince them of much.
After letting my CEO type on my Filco Linear R for 30 seconds tonight all he said was "send me the link for where to get that thing."
Nice. I am stoked for the arrival my Filco even more now. Seeing as I love the Leo, I don't know what word I will find for how I will feel over the Filco hahaha.
I am not agreeing with Chobo so much about the filco being head and shoulders better than the leo. I love the smoothness of the filco caps, but they are prone to getting too shiny. I also like the lasered leo keys.
The actual build quality of mine is right there on par with the filco. The only real edge I see the filco having are the stabilizers, and that is pretty minor to me...
KL said they were going out of business.
KL said they were going out of business.
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I am not agreeing with Chobo so much about the filco being head and shoulders better than the leo. I love the smoothness of the filco caps, but they are prone to getting too shiny. I also like the lasered leo keys.
The actual build quality of mine is right there on par with the filco. The only real edge I see the filco having are the stabilizers, and that is pretty minor to me...
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Seeing as all of your Cherry switch boards use Cherry style stabilizers, I'm guessing you just prefer that feel of key.
For me, I prefer my keys to have a normalized feel. The Cherry style stabilizers make those keys feel VERY different than the non-stabilized keys. They're not as crisp, they require noticeably more force to depress, it just feels cheap to me and not as well thought out as Filco keys.
Maybe I've been on scissor switches for too long but I expect all my keys to have a similar feel, it's part of the same reason I'm not into variable force for Topres.
Somebody take a profile pic of their Leopold spacebar sometime.
Is it sharper than normal or something? Only one I consider sharp is the Signature Plastics one (in gray - OWWW).
I'd just like to recommend everybody here (since it seems lots of people are receiving some brand new leopolds) that they try reversing the spacebar. All it involves is taking off the spacebar and turning it around, as seen here:
Filco Reversed Spacebar (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:8861)
This might not be for everybody, but I'm willing to bet there are other people out there who had sore thumbs just like me. This simple modification is amazing and actually increases my enjoyment from typing on this board significantly.
Filcos cost more and are a bit better. Leopolds are a good value especially stacked against the Ducky.
This I think most people can agree on.
Does Leopold make a TKL Otaku w/ Blues?
Does Leopold make a TKL Otaku w/ Blues?
I actually emailed them about this. They said they would actually be offering one for sale within the next couple of months.
I just received my Leopold brown tenkeyless, am I supposed to bottom out on it? I am used to the apple keyboard from my MBP right now and I keep bottoming out the brown.
Also, my wpm went up by around 10 with this keyboard!
I have heard rumors yes.
Also about Obama's birth certificate.
Well, we might as well get back on topic (lol ya rite) since it's already been dug up.
Has anyone gotten their Leopolds from the June/July batch yet?
*14th
couple things - If you're going to be posting here I recommend learning proper usage of punctuation. You might want to learn grammar and use a browser with spell-check (and make the corrections).
Also it's interesting that this time you left out the bit where the keyboard fell off your lap. Treat your devices properly and they will last.
The main benefit I see of the detachable cable is the ability to order specific lengths for your environment, rather than using a fancy-pants Filco velcro strip to tie up the wad of extra cable. If I had boards with connectors I'd get a 1' cable for home and a 10' for the office and I'd be smiling. Well, until the connector breaks apparently. The whole plan depends on Leopold having a quality connector arrangement in the keyboard. It shouldn't be any more fragile than any of the other connectors in consumer computing. I don't see many people complaining that their iPod should have permanent cables attached because the connectors break so often....
Well, the point is: if MP3 players and phones (I have a phone with mini-usb connector that's seen heavy use and abuse for years) can have sturdy connectors, how hard is it for a keyboard to have one be as sturdy? It's not much to ask!
Not a very good comparison. For me my keyboard is not a portable device. For some it may be. Ipod always is.
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Well, the point is: if MP3 players and phones (I have a phone with mini-usb connector that's seen heavy use and abuse for years) can have sturdy connectors, how hard is it for a keyboard to have one be as sturdy? It's not much to ask!
The issue you're going to run into with the removable cable keyboards is that the KB case was not designed explicitly for the connector. All those portable devices were engineered around detachable cables.
And maybe that's why Filco hasn't come out with detachable cable yet?